It would be nice if the ' older ' versions were released directly in something like a Pi form factor so ' us hobbyists ' could start using them for small, low powered portable computers instead of waiting on companies to put out phones and tablets.
I would like the latest ones as well. One of the long-term aims that some in the computer industry have is desktops with much lower power demands. These would fit that development direction.
lower binned 8+ gen 1. Said it before but i'm glad Mediatek caused em up compete better, that d8000 line really lit a fire under them. this chip will be fantastic for midrange devices.
Wouldn't even call it lower binned tbh this thing is better than the 8 gen 1, memory bandwidth is where it falls behind even then the pros are better than the cons
@@ulysses4989It is exactly a lower-binned version of 8+ Gen 1, because it's got 70% of the performance of the 8 Gen 1 whilst being more energy efficient and thermally stable for long hours of usage.
778g was alredy champion on its own had performence of old flag ships but super stable and efficient and it good to see sucessor to the new 7 Series it dosent even get hot only warm and battery life is amazinv
So the SD7+G2 is all bar in name the SD8G1 but made by the superior TSMC nodes. This has meant less thermals, more efficiency and slightly improved performance with underclocked cores versus the Samsung nodes. So, a good decision to abort the SD8G1 and not use it for 2023 mid-range, as that would have been easy and cheaper. They have instead gone consumer-friendly and simply manufacture a better chip. The truth be known, the SD7+G2 would be enough for most users with flagship SD8G2 phones though the latter is more enhanced. That means that phones with the SD7+G2 will get an excellent SOC. Sadly, in the US, I doubt anything will use that; Nothing2 is rumoured to use the SD8+G1. So, this is really for Chinese brands that want to avoid MediaTek and have given up on Samsung-made Exynos. Ergo, Chinese mid-range this year will have better chips than the twice as expensive flagships from 2022!
@@GaryExplains Yes, I sorta ignore that as GPU for me is moot as I do not game. But that is def a caveat to potential buyers, though 95% of games are well optimised in 2023, so that the SD7+G2 will play them well enough.
I am yet to see Snapdragon 7 gen 1 being utilised on a wider scale in products available in India. I don't even know 1 phone of Samsung which utilises it.
I really hate it when there's a good SoC like this then got crippled by just UFS 2.1 haha. I think even UFS 2.2 is a lot better but 3.1 will be ideal but then it would mean the phone will be in the upper mid-tier.
@@monzayh89 I think he's talking about the S version of the A54. Samsung sometimes releases an updated model within the same year and slap an S at the end of the model number.
@@GaryExplainsThat was SD's guess. But when actual devices start shipping, I'm expecting the prices to start at the higher end of that price bracket. 🤷🏽♂️ Btw, nice video. Thanks.
The performance of these chips are astonishing when you consider they are mid range. Looking forward to Qualcomm making laptop chips to power some long battery life Windows (and Linux 😉) laptops. As much as I love the power of the apple silicon platform, you can't really do anything on MacOS but it certainly showed us what was possible!
@@david-spliso1928 It's gonna be a solid upgrade, According to rumours it'll have 5500mah battery, and 7+G2 is very efficient, F5 will have insane battery life.
Hey Gary what do you think about this aspect of ARM's recent cores found out by Geekerwan? ruclips.net/video/s0ukXDnWlTY/видео.html Do you think that from an architectural standpoint this year's ARM cores will finally get an improvement in efficiency without trying to achieve that (or not achieve that) with a process node shrink?
I do think the Cortex A720/A520 will bring substantial efficiency improvements. A. They are supposed to use a new ground up design B. They are designed by ARM's Sophia team
The only thing i don't get is why they did it so good? I mean you basically don't need 8 gen series because they are kind of better on the gaming/gpu side but throttle to the point where they are the same performance as the 7+gen2.
I use a MagSafe cooler on my iPhone and it does not throttle. With Qi 2.0 adopting MagSafe compatibility, that means many Android flagships can also attach a cooler and maximise that performance.
@@andyH_England which also means you'll be tethered to the wall, or a big powerbank, while your device gets heavier and uncomforable to hold. At this point might as well play on a steamdeck.
@@bulletpunch9317 The cooler is powered by the iPhone. When finished, just slap a MagSafe battery pack on to charge USP again. But a Steamdeck would be better.
@@igt2173 yes-ish but there's factor of watching the highest quality your device can handle due to compression/lower bit rates. 4k streams will still look better on a FHD screens. I stick with watching 1440p+ content of my FHD laptop screen due to that fidelity increase from the bitrate
It will, the redmi 12 turbo is going to be rebadged as the Poco F5 with the 7+ gen 2. The redmi k60 will be the F5 pro with the 8+ Gen 1. I'd go for the latter tho
These chips can offer comfortable desktop performance. These days you shouldn't need to buy any other devices than your phone. It's a scandal that phones are so locked up and it's so difficult to get Linux running on them instead of android... People's laptops are now slower than their phones, and have less features (not counting the ports of course)
I doubt this. There will always be people who want the top tier of everything and anything they buy should be near perfect. People ready to burn money on whatever gives them ultimate "comfort." Just as much as there are people who can get by with whatever their budget can cover. This Flag - Mid - low class difference will continue to exist as long as mankind is on this earth. Always has. And not just in phones. Literally everything we deal with follows the saying: "The rich get richer and the poor get poorer" Tis just how things roll sadly.
wow rog 6 sustained performance is utter garbage. its unacceptable for a gaming centric device to spike erratically like that unlike others goes down gradually and maintains a rather stable curve
This is nice, I can get flagship performance CPU without having to pay for a massive GPU, because when it comes to phones, the only games I play is with women
I honestly hate that I spend more than $200. I bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and after a year I sold it. I'm now using a Samsung J7 Pro from 2017. I'm watching this video and typing this comment from it. The picture quality from the camera is terrible compared the Pro max but I have gotten just as many likes on Instagram as I did with the iPhone 13 Pro Max. I use my airpod pros with the Samsung J7 Pro, I don't feel a downgrade when using Bluetooth or wifi. 5G is a rumour where I live so 4G is as good as it gets. $400-600 is great but $200-300 is better. I find that the only reason to regularly upgrade your smartphone is if you need more graphics for say gaming.
@@xperiafan5370 It's in the product specifications page in qualcomm's website. They first introduced USB 3.1 in 2015 with the 835 in 2016, just 3 years after the release of the specifications. And yet here we are in 2023, 4 years after releasing USB4 spec and 6 years after release of USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 and here we are, trying to transfer 8K video out of devices via 2-10Gbps Wifi and 10GBps USB (40Gbps should be expected out of USB4)
@@LuisDiaz-qg3eg Bruh! You're not making any sense. Flagships just started supporting USB 3.2 1 year ago, yet you expect the mid-range line to jump from USB 2.1 to USB 3.2 in just 1 generation? How much more delusional can you get? You're setting your expectations too high when you're probably not even willing to pay the extra cost if the specs get bumped up.
@@xperiafan5370 Devices have been supporting USB 3.2 since 2016 with the 835. USB 3.2 Gen 2 is just a rebranding of USB 3.1. Some brands are just more opportunistic to use the new branding. 2017's USB improvement came in USB 3.2 Gen2x2, which nobody supports. Support needs to come in the processor, so this is Qualcomm not innovating.
@@LuisDiaz-qg3eg Bruh! USB 3.2 and USB 3.2 Gen 2 aren't the same thing. Those appellations usually cause complications at times. Also, when I said the Flagships processors are still at the level of USB 3.2, I knew very well that Qualcomm is responsible for the support. My point here was that USB 3.2 cannot be supported by the 8 and 7 series just like that. The leap in support from USB 2.1 to USB 3.1 in the 7 series in just one generation should be enough of an improvement for anyone who has been using the 7 series for a while now. We can only hope for another improvement with the next iteration of the Snapdragon 7 series processors.
Thankyou Gary !
It would be nice if the ' older ' versions were released directly in something like a Pi form factor so ' us hobbyists ' could start using them for small, low powered portable computers instead of waiting on companies to put out phones and tablets.
I would like the latest ones as well. One of the long-term aims that some in the computer industry have is desktops with much lower power demands. These would fit that development direction.
lower binned 8+ gen 1. Said it before but i'm glad Mediatek caused em up compete better, that d8000 line really lit a fire under them. this chip will be fantastic for midrange devices.
Wouldn't even call it lower binned tbh this thing is better than the 8 gen 1, memory bandwidth is where it falls behind even then the pros are better than the cons
@@ulysses4989It is exactly a lower-binned version of 8+ Gen 1, because it's got 70% of the performance of the 8 Gen 1 whilst being more energy efficient and thermally stable for long hours of usage.
I would take sustained performance over peak performance 👌👍
8gen2 have both
I agree with you brother
@@cantfindV yeah but most 8 gen 2 devices are $1000+....
@@saulsulca5010 not the Nubia Z50 series
@@cantfindV no one is buying a Nubia phone be real
Never had been this fast for Gary's vid. ❤
778g was alredy champion on its own had performence of old flag ships but super stable and efficient and it good to see sucessor to the new 7 Series it dosent even get hot only warm and battery life is amazinv
Cheers Gary! I actually ordered a Redmi Note 12 Turbo recently and waiting for to arrive. Cant wait to see what the chip is capable of
I ordered one too! Should be getting it in a couple weeks. Excited to see how it performs
how much is Redmi Note 12 Turbo you bought?
@@randomcontent6486 $700 AUD including shipping for 12gb, 512gb model
@@randomcontent6486 I bought mine for RM1600 which is around US$360. Edit: mine is 12GB RAM and 256GB storage
@@ChimericWings did you receive yours? How are you liking it? I am loving mine 😍
Was waiting for this vid
I’m super impressed. That’s incredible for a mid range chip 🎉
Amazing exlent explanation sir
So the SD7+G2 is all bar in name the SD8G1 but made by the superior TSMC nodes. This has meant less thermals, more efficiency and slightly improved performance with underclocked cores versus the Samsung nodes. So, a good decision to abort the SD8G1 and not use it for 2023 mid-range, as that would have been easy and cheaper. They have instead gone consumer-friendly and simply manufacture a better chip.
The truth be known, the SD7+G2 would be enough for most users with flagship SD8G2 phones though the latter is more enhanced. That means that phones with the SD7+G2 will get an excellent SOC. Sadly, in the US, I doubt anything will use that; Nothing2 is rumoured to use the SD8+G1. So, this is really for Chinese brands that want to avoid MediaTek and have given up on Samsung-made Exynos. Ergo, Chinese mid-range this year will have better chips than the twice as expensive flagships from 2022!
Remember that the GPU is significantly slower.
@@GaryExplains Yes, I sorta ignore that as GPU for me is moot as I do not game. But that is def a caveat to potential buyers, though 95% of games are well optimised in 2023, so that the SD7+G2 will play them well enough.
It's an inferior version of 8G1 on paper
Rest what you said
So 8G1+ just performs better
@@Cocxy69 better sustained performance than the 8 gen 1 tho
@@GaryExplains how significant are we talking
That wildlife stress test results are impressive, Rock solid stable performance, Finally a worthy successor to 870.
The 870 would still be stronger in the gpu department i think
@@ReonLeon 7+G2 has 2X more powerful GPU than 870, 870 scores around 3500 compared to 7500 of 7+G2 in wildlife stress test.
Nice. Can't wait to see how the actual product perform. Hopefully it won't be difficult to optimize
That already happened with 8+g1.
@@bulletpunch9317 this is way more stable
I am yet to see Snapdragon 7 gen 1 being utilised on a wider scale in products available in India. I don't even know 1 phone of Samsung which utilises it.
what about UFS storage version ?
i think its very important for mid tier devices, because of storage is fast, you can get by a less RAM.
UFS 3.1
I really hate it when there's a good SoC like this then got crippled by just UFS 2.1 haha. I think even UFS 2.2 is a lot better but 3.1 will be ideal but then it would mean the phone will be in the upper mid-tier.
7+ gen 2 is basically an 8+ gen 1 lite with some cuts in frequency and modem
75% of 8 gen 1 GPU but with sustained performance.👍
It's so important now to find out which company makes the SoC lol.
Crazy that the Midrange 7 Gen2 is better than last year's 8 gen 1 and current Tensor G3
Does it have the new satellite connectivity?
Gary, we need a speed test g on the new iPhone and Samsung S23 ultra.
This is all TSMC MAGIC
Snapdragon 7+Gen2 just reached the 1 Millionth mark in Antutu Scores 🎉😮
Antutu version: 10.0.3-OB3
Hoping for A54s 5G with this chip 🙌
All you'll get is shitty Exynos 🤣
Unfortunately it's another Exynos chip 😕
@@monzayh89 I think he's talking about the S version of the A54. Samsung sometimes releases an updated model within the same year and slap an S at the end of the model number.
@@LiohJuney You got me there... I misread "s" 😅
How is the ISP?
Imagine if the Samsung Galaxy A54 had this chipset..
Bring back speed test g bro
It's basically a slightly watered down SD8Gen1. Now only if manufacturers would sell the devices at mid-range prices... 🤷🏽♂️
*8+G1
@@ultravisitorsRight. 👍🏽
@@ultravisitors Gary himself says 8-gen-1 at the start
What do you consider midrange prices? As I say in the video, devices will be between $400 and $600.
@@GaryExplainsThat was SD's guess. But when actual devices start shipping, I'm expecting the prices to start at the higher end of that price bracket. 🤷🏽♂️ Btw, nice video. Thanks.
What happens to the 8G1
SD 7+gen 2 vs Dimensity 9000 in gaming, which do you prefer?
9000 a bit better in gaming but it's not competing with that
7+gen2 beats 9000 with ease
Unpopular opinion: DSDA might be my favorite feature, this would be a perfect soc for a business phone.
I don't think that is an unpopular opinion, it is certainly a useful feature for some.
The performance of these chips are astonishing when you consider they are mid range. Looking forward to Qualcomm making laptop chips to power some long battery life Windows (and Linux 😉) laptops. As much as I love the power of the apple silicon platform, you can't really do anything on MacOS but it certainly showed us what was possible!
they actually do and their brand is AMD, Radeon GPU is made by Qualcomm & Adreno is Radeon😂
@@asura5648 that's crazy! I had no idea!
the gpu is superb😊😊😊it beats my lg v60 gpu
did i miss something? was there a 7gen2?
No there wasn't and I mention that in the video.
If Xiaomi do their Note 12 Turbo with the 7+ Gen 2 I'll seriously consider upgrading if the price is £400 or less.
It's coming as POCO F5 globally.
@@ultravisitors Sounds great. I have the Poco F3 with the 870 currently and would like to make a decent level upgrade after 2 years.
@@david-spliso1928 It's gonna be a solid upgrade, According to rumours it'll have 5500mah battery, and 7+G2 is very efficient, F5 will have insane battery life.
@@ultravisitors Thanks, I'm really looking forward to it.
@@david-spliso1928 Got a F3 as well, been waiting for a 870 successor, if under £400 I'll also jump in.
Hey Gary what do you think about this aspect of ARM's recent cores found out by Geekerwan? ruclips.net/video/s0ukXDnWlTY/видео.html
Do you think that from an architectural standpoint this year's ARM cores will finally get an improvement in efficiency without trying to achieve that (or not achieve that) with a process node shrink?
I do think the Cortex A720/A520 will bring substantial efficiency improvements.
A. They are supposed to use a new ground up design
B. They are designed by ARM's Sophia team
I love to see a samsung mid ranger with this processor.
I thought exynos 2200 uses an AMD rdna2 iGpu but not the mali gpu? Correct me if I'm wrong.
No you are not wrong, I misspoke.
@@GaryExplains Ah thank you!
Thanks to mediatek for the competition.
Literally my first thought when this chip was rumored to be an underclocked 8+Gen1
This needs to be the midrange standard.
888 or this one is big difrence ?
The only thing i don't get is why they did it so good? I mean you basically don't need 8 gen series because they are kind of better on the gaming/gpu side but throttle to the point where they are the same performance as the 7+gen2.
I use a MagSafe cooler on my iPhone and it does not throttle. With Qi 2.0 adopting MagSafe compatibility, that means many Android flagships can also attach a cooler and maximise that performance.
@@andyH_England which also means you'll be tethered to the wall, or a big powerbank, while your device gets heavier and uncomforable to hold. At this point might as well play on a steamdeck.
8g2 would need to throttle to 50% on the gpu side to be the same as the 7+g2.
@@bulletpunch9317 The cooler is powered by the iPhone. When finished, just slap a MagSafe battery pack on to charge USP again. But a Steamdeck would be better.
@@andyH_England how bad isthe battery life that way? Dont those coolers need like 10w power?
Is it armV9?
Yes
If this phone can play 4K HDR10+ Blu Ray movies, I'll buy it. I don't see a lot of phones with Dolby Atmos support though.
Playing 4k doesn't mean u can see real 4k frames in a 1080p pannel ...
@@igt2173 Oh..
@@igt2173 yes-ish but there's factor of watching the highest quality your device can handle due to compression/lower bit rates. 4k streams will still look better on a FHD screens. I stick with watching 1440p+ content of my FHD laptop screen due to that fidelity increase from the bitrate
But 7 series phone earlier come in around 10000 rupees sd712
Now it come 490000 7+ gen 2😢
Would be a perfect SOC for the s23fe 👀
I thought that too moments before seeing your comment. I still enjoying my S20FE 5G Snapdragon 865, which performs well.
Wouldn't truly be a S series without having an 8 series chip
@@Ryuseigan maybe, but the FE linup is already messup
Much better if they'll put sd 8+ gen 1 for the s23fe
It's gonna be the 8+gen1
I hope Poco will jump on the sd 7+ g2 wagon for my Poco F3 replacement.
Poco f5 5G
It will, the redmi 12 turbo is going to be rebadged as the Poco F5 with the 7+ gen 2. The redmi k60 will be the F5 pro with the 8+ Gen 1. I'd go for the latter tho
22u has amd gpu*
🤦♂️ Ooops, well spotted, sorry about that.
@@GaryExplains everyone makes mistakes
great video as always
Need SD 7+ G2 for Galaxy
But can it handle warzone mobile? No?
Ofc yes
These chips can offer comfortable desktop performance. These days you shouldn't need to buy any other devices than your phone. It's a scandal that phones are so locked up and it's so difficult to get Linux running on them instead of android... People's laptops are now slower than their phones, and have less features (not counting the ports of course)
the ipad's whole identity summarized on a comment.
samsung dex is underrated in that case
@@shijou2867 nah, Samsung Dex is another shitty walled garden
@@r0galik oooo
I hate company using snapdragon 695 this day.... the image processing is worst
Flagship phones could soon be a thing of the past.
I doubt this. There will always be people who want the top tier of everything and anything they buy should be near perfect.
People ready to burn money on whatever gives them ultimate "comfort."
Just as much as there are people who can get by with whatever their budget can cover.
This Flag - Mid - low class difference will continue to exist as long as mankind is on this earth.
Always has. And not just in phones. Literally everything we deal with follows the saying:
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer"
Tis just how things roll sadly.
Speed test G of sd7plus G1🙂
Double the GPU performance but still nowhere near the 8 series.
7g1 prime core has more cache so it's not only clocks that differ from big cores
Tsmc puts the 8 gen 1 spec of samsung in their mid range processor 7 series😂 and made it much better
Redmi Note 12 turbo 300$ + phone in China😮
I can now think of upgrading from SD845 to this without spending an arm and a leg.
wow rog 6 sustained performance is utter garbage. its unacceptable for a gaming centric device to spike erratically like that unlike others goes down gradually and maintains a rather stable curve
This is nice, I can get flagship performance CPU without having to pay for a massive GPU, because when it comes to phones, the only games I play is with women
I honestly hate that I spend more than $200. I bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and after a year I sold it. I'm now using a Samsung J7 Pro from 2017. I'm watching this video and typing this comment from it. The picture quality from the camera is terrible compared the Pro max but I have gotten just as many likes on Instagram as I did with the iPhone 13 Pro Max. I use my airpod pros with the Samsung J7 Pro, I don't feel a downgrade when using Bluetooth or wifi. 5G is a rumour where I live so 4G is as good as it gets. $400-600 is great but $200-300 is better. I find that the only reason to regularly upgrade your smartphone is if you need more graphics for say gaming.
Still USB 3.1 from 2013 spec. Still not a buy.
USB 3.1 from 2013? Where did you get that?
@@xperiafan5370 It's in the product specifications page in qualcomm's website. They first introduced USB 3.1 in 2015 with the 835 in 2016, just 3 years after the release of the specifications. And yet here we are in 2023, 4 years after releasing USB4 spec and 6 years after release of USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 and here we are, trying to transfer 8K video out of devices via 2-10Gbps Wifi and 10GBps USB (40Gbps should be expected out of USB4)
@@LuisDiaz-qg3eg Bruh! You're not making any sense. Flagships just started supporting USB 3.2 1 year ago, yet you expect the mid-range line to jump from USB 2.1 to USB 3.2 in just 1 generation? How much more delusional can you get? You're setting your expectations too high when you're probably not even willing to pay the extra cost if the specs get bumped up.
@@xperiafan5370 Devices have been supporting USB 3.2 since 2016 with the 835. USB 3.2 Gen 2 is just a rebranding of USB 3.1. Some brands are just more opportunistic to use the new branding. 2017's USB improvement came in USB 3.2 Gen2x2, which nobody supports. Support needs to come in the processor, so this is Qualcomm not innovating.
@@LuisDiaz-qg3eg Bruh! USB 3.2 and USB 3.2 Gen 2 aren't the same thing. Those appellations usually cause complications at times. Also, when I said the Flagships processors are still at the level of USB 3.2, I knew very well that Qualcomm is responsible for the support. My point here was that USB 3.2 cannot be supported by the 8 and 7 series just like that. The leap in support from USB 2.1 to USB 3.1 in the 7 series in just one generation should be enough of an improvement for anyone who has been using the 7 series for a while now. We can only hope for another improvement with the next iteration of the Snapdragon 7 series processors.
Why can't uppity technophiles buy a Threadripper phone made in the #USA?
Eh?
this is great.