Brian Greene asks Richard Dawkins ... Does God Exist?
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2013
- Richard Dawkins and Brian Greene discuss their notions on God in the context of evolution and science. Does one exist? Is God the same as science and physics but with different nomenclature, as Brian Greene implies? Or is God "the physicist to end all physicists," one that Richard Dawkins says demands an explanation?
Original Program Date: Sept. 24 2014
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As a biologist, Dawkins deals with the consequences of religious thinking more directly - and it can impact the way biology is taught in schools. In contrast, every discovery that Brian Green makes can be explained away by the religious as just more evidence of God's ultimate mystery. Evolution isn't like that -- it's a much greater threat to the religious world view. That's partly why Brian Greene can afford to be nonchalant about God issues, whereas Dawkins cannot.
A good point
Pretty much sums up the video
Why would a biologist deal with the consequences of religious thinking?
@@user-is3yn7xr4c Religious Scientifically illiterate lobbyists are trying to cram stupid nonsense into the science curriculum in the US. That's a problem. Do you want a generation of idiots?
@@user-is3yn7xr4c We also have faith schools in the UK. Which teach scientifically illiterate conspiracy theory nonsense. Also a big issue. Children need to be taught what current Science agrees on.
I'm sorry, I was too distracted by Dawkin's awesome tie.
Didn't even look at it the whole video
you mean the fairy tales that he believe in oh yeah
What's wrong with the tie? I'd also love to have one.
NO ART WITHOUT ARTIST
NO CREATION WITHOUT CREATOR
@@Muslim_Convert_Stories WELL STATED.
NOW WHO CREATED THE CREATOR?
These 2 have had several discussions you can find online, I would recommend checking them out! So intriguing and eye opening!
Love listening to them
Don’t be ignorant if you think a little bit, everything have a purpose except us and why we’re here?? just to have fun and growing old drinking beer common and die!!
* There must be a stronger entity and it is not a coincidence. Look around you the moon, the sun and what god said and you will know the truth, he said...
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* ( We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
See by your self :-
God said:
1- ( [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving.)
2- ( And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.)
3- ( And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say [something] like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples." @ And [remember] when they said, "O Allah, if this should be the truth from You, then rain down upon us stones from the sky or bring us a painful punishment.")
4- ( Indeed, these [disbelievers] love the immediate [ life ] and leave behind them a grave Day.)
5- (We had certainly brought you the truth, but most of you, to the truth, were averse.)
If you reached here and you didn’t believe that’s for you, god said:
( Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded? )
By the way that was mentioned 1400 years ago in the Quran...
Well !!see you in the afterlife....
@@seethelight657 You sound as if you're growing old and drinking way to much beer!
@@seethelight657 these are no arguments just quotes
@@seethelight657 what do you think this mumbo jumbo proves?
@@seethelight657 how do you know what god said?
Sending good energy to everybody!
“We hand over to physicists when we go from virtually nothing to absolutely nothing...” 😂😂😂
That one had me rotfl
Im clearly not scientifically literate enough to understand that joke
Shane Campbell theists like to say the universe can’t come from nothing so he is making fun of them
@@lawman34 Physicists have a different understanding of what nothing is and Dawkins is alluding to that whilst having a pop at theists too I think.
"You can't get something from nothing' seems to be a stock answer from the religious. Ignoring the fact that's what they claim about Yhwh.
Anyway, some cosmological models now infer an eternal universe so no god required anyway.
pinball1970 A few misconceptions you made:
Christians and other theists (myself included) believe that God is eternal so that would mean that God didn’t come from nothing.
Also the universe can’t be eternal and I will give you one argument for that. In order for the universe exist forever it must have been around infinitely in time. But we know time had a beginning. Time cannot exist forever because if it did there would be an infinite number of days in the past. If there were an infinite number of days in the past then we would never have gotten to this point.
God bless
Wow...better title for this clip. "Perfect example of an informed agnostic meets a perfect example of an informed anti-theist then proceed to agree on everything, while demonstrating how different personalities approach the same problems"
@FiniteAutomaton putting people into one’s own choice of labels shouldn’t be encouraged don’t you think? Based on this brief touching upon by them on the topic, it wasn’t absolutely sure if they classify as unadulterated atheists !
@FiniteAutomaton The original comment was more about their approaches, which are definitely different. Brian Greene is the sort of atheist who is atheist because there is a lack of evidence to be theist (for him, and I happen to agree). Dawkins is atheist because he fundamentally thinks a god cannot, would not, or should not exist. He often takes this several steps further and is quite antagonistic on the subject. I respect Dawkins as an evolutionary biologist, but he is not a good advocate the subject of atheism/theism. His approach is usually quite ham-fisted, and he seems to find theism of any kind patently ridiculous. Rather ironic since, as an evolutionary biologist, he is quite familiar with how and why humans believe these things, and even believed them himself well into his teenage years.
@FiniteAutomaton I see that you have completely missed the point, which is made apparent by your last sentence. I am not trying to discredit an atheist position or Richard Dawkins or anyone for that matter. This isn't about some gotcha moment of "Oh look, see, he's not a REAL atheist." I'm staying on topic, which was the initial reply. I expounded upon that as well.
The fact that Dawkins was a practicing member of the Church of England is most definitely relevant. Just not relevant to your point, but certainly relevant to mine and the original poster. Richard Dawkins understands why people believe what they believe, and how they come to believe it. This is why it is frustrating to see him give lectures or have interviews and speak as if the idea of believing in a deity is preposterous. As if the idea is so alien to him as to feign some lack of understanding. It's incredibly disingenuous. He is entitled to his own opinion on the subject of course, but I still don't think he is a good advocate for his cause.
I support the Richard Dawkins approach when it comes to things like his discussion with Deepak Chopra. That man is a charlatan and deserves the run-down. I remember, though, an interview where he spoke with Brandon Flowers. That poor guy didn't deserve that treatment. People who are theistic don't believe these things because they are idiots or don't know any better, and Dawkins is intimately familiar with this. He certainly wouldn't be my choice as a speaker for the cause. His approach is a fantastic way to get the people you want to listen to turn off their ears completely.
@FiniteAutomaton I meant that MY position was not one of creating a gotcha moment of trying to say Dawkins or Greene weren't "real atheists", not that you were. And I did misunderstand your sentence regarding discrediting and incorrectly read it as saying you thought I was trying discredit Dawkins or an atheist position. That's my mistake.
Nothing I'm saying is attempting to gauge the degree or flavor of the kind of atheist Dawkins vs. Greene is in any other way than their approach to others, which is absolutely different. They may believe the same things regarding theism, but they definitely don't say the same things to others. That is important. Now, perhaps Richard Dawkins doesn't care about bridging gaps with other people, or creating understand. That's his choice. When you tell others they are idiots for their faith, or condescend, you're just going to push them away and confirm misconceptions they already have. He certainly wouldn't be my choice for a panel of voices to explain to others why theism may be the wrong direction.
Antitheists Are Evil,
Therefore
Richard Dawkins Is An Atheist.
Both of these gentlemen are treasures
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This dude actually *does* have awesome ties
His wife painted them for him. All biology themed. He has one with penguins on it that I like.
@@claires9100 I like penguins and polar bears
@@claires9100 his wife is SKILLED
@@bean7496 Me too. :)
He is British 😂. Of course thats their attire
I like this Brian Green guy. It's the first time I even hear about him
He is awesome and has a brilliant mind, you should watch his ted talks and look more into him! I recommend it
You can start with his interview with joe Rohan it will give you a good idea of what he is about; I am reading his book right now, (until the end of time) this guy is absolutely fascinating
@@sbadreau blown spokane*
Read his books. They are really good!!!
Highly recomment his books too! And the 4 hours documentary "The fabric of the universe"
I agree guys, his tie is awesome
I hope in the future there are no anti-theist anymore, why would someone be called as an "anti" to something that doesn't even exist. the theist should be called as an anti-logic or anti-reality.
and your proof of "no God" is what?
What?? Did you just say anti-reality and anti-reason? Only those who don't understand theism (particulary, jedeo-christian theism) would say that.
I got confused. I thought he said atheist.
True
@@roychristopher5014 🤦why i will prove that .....like someone says anny shit....."prove there are NO aliens"
😕First proof is required then i will DISPROVE.....
No proof....and disprove...wtf
Until then n.p leave it ,ignore it👍
question: how can the original program date be after the date you published this?
@Nihal H yes we all know greene is from the future.
*Insert hulk time travel meme *
@1:07, Green's shot out to Pascal's Wager made me chuckle as well.
They call it Pascal's Wager but it's unlikely that Pascal invented it.
Brilliantly explained by both
I highly recommend checking out Stephen Meyer. He's a well educated and spoken lecturer who presents some brilliant arguments for intelligent design while leaving religion out of it. James Tour has also been known to take the same approach at times, and he's a world class bio-chemist and nano-technologist.
Greene`s intro argumentations are absolutely top!
There is a request to Professor Brian Greene that could you please deliver a lecture on the Mathematics of General Theory of Relativity...
He has actually in part, already did it on his official you tube channel in his video series titled "your daily dose of equation" where he covered Einstein field equations
@@danishsamir8807 Thank you:)
Brian is beyond hilarious!
One thing that many people trip over, is that they believe that biological evolution is purely random, it's not. Just like we have laws of nature, laws of physics, laws of chemistry, we also have laws of biology and reproduction and evolution. Evolution occurs through natural selection and other laws, it's not purely random. So when the universe came into being, and all of these laws were inherent in it, so were the laws of biology and evolution.
Where did the laws come from? It’s not delusional to say “something” or someone created those laws and lives outside of it and cannot be blended by it. Simple answer is we don’t know.
Thanks for the video.
I truly think this question boils down to what is the character of God. If you think God would theoretically be harsh and uncaring then it is certainly better to think that he doesn't exist. But if you approach the question with the notion that God deeply loves his creation, it becomes easy to think of the world and universe as something he's laid out for humans to discover bits of himself as Greene describes. Both are plausible but it certainly doesn't hurt man to believe that we are not the smartest in the universe.
His tie is amazing
kedthings, where ya from
Bless them both.
A cell trying to explain the whole universe.
When we die we'll see who is right, ignorant but i can God created the universe,but it doesn't say anything about reality, ignorant, you are a virus im a cell.
@george chapelle we hate virus.
What are you saying? What's your stand point?
@King Pistachion I’m not deleting anything what you talking about? Let’s see what happen after we die, it will be to late for you, I have seen UFO, And you gonna say it isn’t real? What we think doesn’t say anything about reality, You don’t like God cause you know you have to follow the commandments.
@King Pistachion If life doesn’t has a purpose for you well, I can’t do anything about it, scientists are not Going to save your soul, Cause when you die you’re body is just matter but you’re conscience is not matter that goes somewhere that’s energy, A body can’t work without that energy your soul, follow the evidence where it leads not what a scientist tells you to believe.
Just think for a moment : Stars have died so that we could live.
They never lived, so they didn't die. They just exploded ..
Stars were never alive
No... It's stars died that's why we live ..not so that
@@UFOgamers of course he doesn't mean that starts were literally alive for them to die, when people say "my phone is dead" do you think the phone was a living breathing creature for it to die
Few centuries later we would find a scientist saying:
All hail the nebula explosion for it hath died to give us life. If ye shall not believe in it you shall have eternal damnation of irrationality
I really like discussions like this - between great thinkers like these two.
Yea me too actually, none of them is trying to look smart. But Dawkins kinda made a fool out of himself here imo
Hahaha Brian isn’t a great thinker. He’s an adult that literally believes in talking snakes and the Virgin birth.
andy smarandescu you must be religious to say that
@@jst2889 I didn't know the guy believed in talking snakes, looked pretty agnostic to me, my ignorance though, my bad. As to being religious, no, I don't see myself as that kind of guy. I'm just saying Dawkins kinda stumbled in words there. It just shows that science doesn't help you give any verdict on the existence of God, and Dawkins said that himself (probably in a moment when he didn't feel targeted by the idea that God may actually be there)
andy smarandescu it has to be tiring though to be constantly trying to convince people that’s there’s a reality to adhere to, not this dogma that convinces people death is better than being alive. After a tragic death, for example, too many religious people say.....it’s ok that he/she suffered here cause he/she will be rewarded a better life in heaven.
Just love listening to scholars spitting out their intellect.
It kind of bothers me how Richard says no so firmly, not 'I don't THINK so.'
He's so certain about something NOBODY is certain about. That's why it's called faith and belief.
That's because he's full of shit. he says things that are completely untrue, like 2:36
i like the dawkins tie
Anybody who doesn't believe in evolution should at a minimum take a paleontology course at a university and learn about the evolution of more complex animals from less complex animals over time. It's all in the fossil record, including transition animals which explain how one species evolved into another. Once you complete that paleontology course, you will feel quite amazed that you ever argued that evolution is false. If you are afraid that it will contradict what you have been taught (e.g. the Bible) from the time you could first understand words, don't be. It's not scary, it's enlightening.
It's only enlightening if you believe it.
How many gaps are left to fill in on this? I recently read where only 1% of all life forms ever made it to the fossil stage and the rest is...guessing?
I watched one video on the evolution of whales from land animals to sea mammals. It was amazing because they found a piece of skull the size of a fist and from that small bone fragment came up with an animal with legs that decided one day that there was not enough food on land and it dove into the water and found it was full of fish.
It then evolved into a whale.
And then I read that someone named Lamark (sp) had a theory that would explain this that included offspring inheriting acquired traits. Others, however, found that there was no evidence that this was possible and studies on rats (or mice) confirmed that rats (or mice) could not become whales either even if they wanted to.
I'm afraid like "God did it" much better...and probably will for eternity...if God will let me...
No one has actually witnessed evolution with his/her own eyes. It’s just a theory. If you say seeing is believing, then how can you say for 100% that evolution is the real truth behind all this.
Quantum physics is more enlightening. It has proven creation is constant because energy is constantly bursting forth, spinning, rotating, oscillating, resonating, rotating, vibrating, radiating and everything else energy does.
Dear Doctor, you cannot look at ancient fossils and arrive at a metaphysical conclusion. Buckminster Fuller offered final, inarguable proof of Creationism. End Of Debate.
People often forget that there is no experimental data supporting evolution. Literally none. That doesn't mean I don't believe the theory, but maybe a pinch of salt should always be remembered.
There is no evidence to prove (or even _suggest_ ) that any God exists. And as time progresses, and we learn more about the natural world with science, Gods existence is only seeming less and less likely.
They really don't care about God - there is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, tooth fairy etc - but you don't see them insisting that they exist do you? only God - why?
Because they view God as a Sugar Daddy - their ticket to an eternal life of ease & comfort
Just like the likes of Putin, Saddam rewarding their loyal supporters and abusing the rest, this "God" will also reward those who believe and support him and those that do not will end up in hell!
Amazing isn't it? The very same people who teach their kids to EARN everything, never beg & grovel for anything, view Putin's supporters with contempt and disgust, now nod their heads when their religion says Heaven cannot be Earned, the only way is to kiss the right butt and they are told they are doing just that, down on their knees begging and groveling for mercy and hoping for an eternal life of ease &comfort
Just as Putin's supporters have raped, tortured and killed those suspected of not supporting Putin, religious people too have killed and mass murdered so many innocents
But they dominate the media, the moral and the educated & so the silence
TWO OF MY FAVS
Here's a proof that the more intelligent a person is the better humor they have.
Cap
Is this Dawkins guy supposed to be intelligent?
So Physicists can explain and do but God can't?
LMAO!
He sounds like a village idiot that's somehow wandered on stage.
@@robertmcmillan3638 well.... Actually god explains alot in the bible, its just that you might be not too interested in it and decide to go with physicists way of explaining the world(not that i think its much more profound than god's explanation about the world)
True generally but I know some idiots who are funny af.
@@a.bagasm.7253 I think you misunderstood my comment.
I was calling out Dawkins for his sheer stoooooopidity and arrogance thinking that man is more intelligent than God, which is just laughable.
What Dawkins is saying at the end is even if there is a deistic god who laid the fundamental laws of the universe and withdrew, he himself would need an explanation.Implying evolution.
"Who watches the watcher"
oo0olegendoo0o Simpleton Contradictory, useless question. If God is the Ultimate Cause, with no beginning and no end, asking what caused the Ultimate Cause defeats the purpose of asking the question all together and goes against the notion of Occams Razor. Richard Dawkins is still wrestling with kindergarden concepts in his head.
I pity how easily you were conned into your faith.
Alan Watts - "In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all."
I pity how easily you dismiss faith. Funny how the typical confused atheist wants the believer to use their own head and then goes onto quote other people instead of thinking for themselves. Contradict yourself and be unscientific for me some more lol.
im not an atheist or anything else for that matter, you clearly didnt understand the point of veiw i was indulging. have a nice life
Yes, niko, which is why I mentioned: Richard Dawkins is struggling with simpleton, contradictory, useless questions. If God is the Ultimate Cause, with no beginning and no end, asking what caused the Ultimate Cause defeats the purpose of asking the question all together and goes against the notion of Occams Razor. Richard Dawkins is still wrestling with kindergarden concepts in his head. I find him intellectually pathetic, and I find his british accent vile personally.
Very interesting. He respects the nothingness of origin while a theist respects the origin somethingthness. Very profound and I very much like his way of explaining it
Theist: The universe could not have come out of nothing.
Atheist: God, too, could not appear out of nothing.
Theist: God, too, could not have appeared out of nothing.
Atheist: There is no God.
Theist: But we do exist. How is it that both God and the Universe could not appear out of nothing, but we exist. Although we weren't supposed to exist.
Atheist: I don't know.
Theist: In such a case, either God must be Eternal or the Universe. We know that the Universe is not eternal and has beginnings, age and expands. In such a case, for our existence, God must be Eternal.
Theist: God exists.
Decent Atheist: God exists.
@@donttrustthem7601 There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, Tooth Fairy, Santa - sure you can believe they exist also but where does that get you? Science demands facts - evidence that can be presented for all to see before it can be called Science - all you are doing is talking to yourself
But again, you don't insist that Superman, Spiderman exist, but only God. Why?
Because with the belief in God comes the prospect of an eternal life of ease & comfort?
A lazy, idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity!
Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live such a life down here - shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - tell them the "love" them, sing their praises and hope for a rich life of comfort
That is exactly what you are doing
These rich Sugar Daddies view their prostitutes/leeches with contempt and disgust for they know that all this "love" and high praises are for their wallet, not for them
God views you with disgust - can you not see that?
@@ramaraksha01 your sugar daddy/prostitute theory does not hold water. That is purely a business arrangement- both parties derive benefits from each other. The eternal God created the self perpetuating system that birthed us. We are part of the complex system. While we are alive we take from and feed the system. When we die we feed the system as fertilizer no longer taking. Does God derive any benefit from our existence which would make this a business dealing also? Perhaps pride or entertainment or perhaps the system was developed to feed God nutrition. Who knows? We don’t and probably never will.
@@ramblingbill9101 So you are saying we die, we are just fertilizer in the ground - no Heaven, no hell - no easy lazy life sitting about shamelessly sponging off God
No trying to live in a Childrens fantasy land
You are saying Science is right?
@@ramaraksha01 science is just the collection of knowledge so I'm not sure why you project it like it's somehow contrasting with any other knowledge
Great conversation between two intelligent men.
As always Dawkins making some great points there! If only people were more like him... that would be such an amazing planet!
@Niko If only theist can provide an acceptable evidence then there's no problem to it right? But until then don't expect to change an intellectual mind
He’s a presuppositionalist if I ever saw one. There’s nothing he could ever hear or see that he wouldn’t explain away. He isn’t an Atheist. He’s an anti-theist. He hates God. If he didn’t think there were one, he wouldn’t have such disdain for Him.
The religious god or deity is waaayyyy too simple. We as humans find it too easy to over simplify things that are very complex
More like we're too simple to understand a creative force.
Thanking god for sparing you in a natural disaster is like sending a thank you note to a serial killer for
stabbing the family next door.
Haiti Earthquake. 100,000 plus deaths - - "Oh well. God's will is mysterious".
One baby found in the rubble - - "It's a miracle from a merciful God!!"
@@con.troller4183 Good one..
@@rick-nr8zy Till u r keeping ur belief to urself is fine, if you want to live in illusion that’s ur choice. Problem starts when people start using their money, education and other people’s pain points to convert them to Christianity. If ur religion is personal to u then keep it personal, don’t take it to public.
People in the west are leaving Christianity so don’t go to poor countries and make them fool.
Well, your comparison its not quite right. And i feel that most people think the God of Israel evil, because they dont seem to understand the position they are in, according to christianity.
It is not that a serial killer killed a family next door and you have to thank him, that would be insane.
It is more that humanity is a serial killer loose, sitting on the bench in front of a Judge and the judge its allowing the serial killer to live, and not destroying him imediatly.
People think that Christian God is evil because he allows evil to happen to them. But that believe is just as messed up as a criminal in jail believing that the judge and the cops are super evil for placing him behind bars. If we are alive, it is because of Gods mercy, and that is said clearly in Scripture " For your mercy is the reason we are not consumed everyday".
We are not neutral humans in the hands of a psycotic God. We are psycothic people in the hands of a very Merciful and pacient God, that offers redemption, yet is still the judge, who is going to bring punishment to those that are evil and want to continue that way.
It is a very sad reality, but it is the reality of humanity. Thats why Christ died in the cross, so that death and corruption would be overcomed by his cross. And he ressurect in the third day. Those who believe in him are saved from Gods righteous wrath. Those who reject him, are still enemies of God, and still are under the positiong of a criminal. The judge is pacient, but a setence will come eventualy.
S.B. that is a brilliant statement, thank you !!! please run for president of the world !!!
Two of my favorite human beings. I also remember Hitch another fave, dead now, poor guy, although he's not aware of it
Brian Greene likes to play with fire 🤣
Rightfully
Mario Rugeles the trouble the fire he is talking about does not exist
O G actually the definition of closed mindedness s when one holds a position that they won’t budge from no matter what the evidence. That’s theism. Dawkins became a scientist and atheist because he has an open mind. If you have evidence that is convincing he would assess it and change his mind according to the evidence. I bet you would not .
O G I am only replying to your obviously incorrect assertion Dawkins is closed minded when being a theists is by definition a closed mind position. Theists with open minds tend to stop being believers which makes them atheists.
Why should he entertain such a ridiculous and what seems impossible idea. Since not only is there insufficient evidence any gods exist but no evidence it’s not worth addressing.
You are showing your bias by your above comment. Dawkins may not b a good debater but he is a very good writer and teacher. His knowledge of his area of expertise and other wider knowledge is impressive. You problem comes from feeling attacked when your beliefs are rejected.
O G theism is the failure to sufficiently investigate ideas, it’s closed minded by definition.
"Awareness is known by awareness alone," is the sole irreducible axiom of reality. To put forth a syllable to refute it is to concede...
English
@@lilchaos4792 "English" - It's a hellova drug
i love this man so much i don’t want him to grow older anymore :(
@@ephemeral5964 yahh!😢
@@ephemeral5964 it's not the time that makes you older
Dont worry he'll be born again.
@@mirriulahwaterdog no. He'll be dead
@@thakraken6995 Yeah mate I was a bit tongue in cheek there.
Brian Greene is an amazing speaker.
I think it is entirely possible we live in a simulated universe created by "deistic" god who started it all, and maybe observes stuff without interfering... but that view really does not explain anything, because then we have an entire "outside" universe to account for and explain.
What exactly is "simulated" in our universe? As for deism, I'd have to say I'm on the fence, but I do prefer deism to theist systems of an organized nature.
@@RebuttalRecords I would say that the entire universe seems to be simulated, as it is quantified.
1. If that's what happening we should be grateful that we will be able to discover something totally new "outside of universe" what what lay beyond. You act like you are worried there will be New things to explain while most people including atheists would be stunned to discover New Field of reality.
2. Deistic "God"is basically unfalsifable, because even if we will give a philosophical conclusion that Universe is like a perfectly made clock itself then God would be literally the last explanation for that.
3. There literally no reason to believe in deistic "God" - that "God" doesnt care about life, doesnt perform miracles and other supernatural wonders, doesnt give u afterlife, doesnt answer prayers...
Its only matters if personal, theistic God exists who at least give you an afterlife.
No. The corporeal realm by definition cannot exist within another corporeal realm. There is only one corporeal realm. It is a realm, not a universe. What is 'outside' it therefore, is spiritual. Spiritually 'outside', not corporeally outside.
@@Hhjhfu247 And it's the theistic God that blames US for the mistakes in his creation, who favors a race and culture over others, who condones violent punishments, and who stays in the dark ages, this is not a God I'm interested in knowing about.
Wait a minute. This was posted Dec 16 2013, and original program date was Sept 24, 2014. Does the World Science Festival have working time travel technology?
Probably either a typo in the description or this is a clip from the discussion before it eventually aired later.
Sorry if this was a joke.
yes
Gawd done it.
If the possibility that no god occurred, then it's any real god's obligation to dispel such fallacies in a bid to remain relevant, or remain silent and affirm its lack of existence. What matters isn't any god's lack of existence, but lack of relevance. Irrelevant gods are inconsequential.
most people are not capable of understanding what Dawkins says, in a way,... iam one of them,... but I agree with him totally, ....religion is an insult to human intelligence.
That was a wonderful question in the begining 😂😂😂
Brian greene is my favourite guy
Good discussion.
what a cool tie
Just do the very best you can towards the human race and respect and look after your earth surely that is all we can do. Forget any theories or religion s. If we spent more time doing the deed then wondering ..the world would be a kinder and better place.
Then the obvious question would be WHY?
Why should people do their best towards humanity when most people wouldn't even bother to do the same why shouldn't you cheat people or overwork them while underpaying them ( like Amazon) when it benefits you , when you can live like a king.
Not all people are good not all people have a good upbringing .
Does god exist shouldn't be the question. The real question should be if there is a god and he allows all the pain and suffering to happen why should we praise him.
dougieh7
You refuse to read your bible. Let me remind you, it says: the heavens is the Lord's, the earth He has given to the children of men. God has finished His work in the physical world, and is NOT managing it. He is not involved in pains and sufferings. Those are caused by MAN and by ignorance. Blame your self and keep God out of it. You reap what you sow.
Itoro M
So no need to pray then. Yipee!
Sorry but I think you didn't study religion well enough, at least not Islam. This life is a test actually. We are all being tested at different levels.
The poor person in being tested with his poverty. The rich person is tested with the wealth he have, how he use it. Does he use it to live a materialistic lifestyle without even caring for the needy or he uses the wealth to help the poor and needy. The weak is tested with his weakness and the powerful is tested with his power.
But this test is going to end some day and one day we will have to answer God.
God says in the Quran that he does not burden a soul more than it can bear.
Peace
"God says in the Quran that he does not burden a soul more than it can bear."
I have heard Catholic priests and nuns say the same thing.
My good friend however committed suicide a few years ago which would suggest that God certainly does give some people more than they can handle.
You should question that verse as logic and reality certainly makes a mockery of it.
John Bands Sorry to hear about you friend. But this is what I believe in bro!
Maybe your friend could've lived if he didn't give up on with life no matter how hard it gets, and I'm sorry to say that.
Peace.
2:45 The first life, at least what we believe was the first life, was itself incredibly complex.
so complex, you can't account for it!
@@DusterBooster nobody can.
I love the way Brain put it tbh.
Dawkins Continuing to Explain Evolutionary Aspects of Life, Very Very Tough Task.
Tough Task because Time Helps His Theories and Time Greatly Hinders.
If We could Just Keep Dawkins on The Life Form Known as Human we would Easily See His Conundrum.
Part of that Conundrum is His Own Ancestry. For Example :- At What Point in Time can Richard Prove His Ancestors were a Different Animal. ( Emphasis on Prove ).
You have just made it clear, that you don’t understand evolution. At all.
It is graduate changes over time - 1000’s of years - i populations.
And WE name the fossils.
Education- please.
@@erikhviid3189 EH, Significant Number of Examples on No Change "over time - 1000's of years".
Example :-
The Land Lizards can Still Swim.
Yet many of these have been Living a Land Lifestyle for Millions of Years. They have No Need to Swim but They Still can Swim!.
Same for the Lizards Living in Water. They can Still Walk, Millions of Years!.
Then there is the Plants.
Also, Where are the Fossils of Humans?.
Erik You Need More Education.
if it's about power , he's an egyptian
Why
This is worthy of Saturday Night Live.
The english accent is so nice lol
No, Dawkins is awesome.
I love his tie! :) :)
Now I know where they cherry picked the design video and didn't show the whole statement.
That which does not have beginning must be for something that’s dependant to exist.
Music unnecessary.
Does God "The perfect way exist?" Only for those who want.
I was raised a Christian as a child, but as a grown man, I really like Dawkins and his lectures. I find him interesting
So most people I see often debate that if there was a god so there wouldn't had any suffering
So do those people belive in creator or higher power whose qualities we don't know
If there is a god, his existence is beyond the grasp, thought and comprehension of men or science (as of yet) Otherwise he wont be god, but a natural phenomenon bound by laws of nature/physics.
Well that's just you putting your own self convincing explanation of " how a god should be " on god !
Then try to picture out 'infinite'.
The same could be said about that invisible dragon in my garage.
God has attributes that are easy to comprehend even by kids
Yes. That's true.
simple to complex is mis-leading, even a single cell has proteins, lipids, plasma, DNA, other chemicals, not that simple.
Yes but when u have billions of years and billions of genetic mutations you start to see change. The genetic mutations that help the organism survive go on because that organism was able to pass on its genes. We actually do see varying levels of complexity in cells as well such as Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic cells. Some cells have less or more complex organel systems. Eventually, these cells start to form colonies. They eventually connect to each other to form very simple microbes. These microbobes evolve and get larger over hundreds of millions of years. They eventually form jellyfish and then fish and arthropods. These go on for about 3 billion more years to form the life that we have today. We don't know what the first cells were like because they were too small to have fossilized.
Simple is stromatolites.
You started too late to mention Life's origins.
Pilbara Craton, start there, cyanobacteria are not that simple.
Look earlier than that!
@@ZeitgeistGaming69 If there is no Creator of life forms then show me some hard evidence that a living cell can be created from non life to support your naturalism beliefs.
Dawkin used intelligence to write his books. Everything else came by accidental chance.
"Existence is one not wanting to be alone." - Wald Wassermann
, Physicist Theoretical Physics & Cosmology, Institute of Theoretical Physics (1972)
You can not create or destroy matter !
Thank you.
Is the moon really there when no one is looking at it? Duh
Brother asked a very good question
😁😁😁😁😁 Laughed so hard on this ......
Oh crap I got the reference
Hope that answered the question lol
I'm brasilians I don't know if God exists so I'm agnostic .
y es más, a veces siento que a mi me han dado y bien de trompadas realmente más por las redes que a este señor se supo una vez le trompearon.
Greene: Asking Dawkins whether God exists
Dawkins: *Jotaro kujo's theme playing*
The creator of jojo believes in God
Does Einstein exist. I didn't see him so I don't believe.
Good for you. There are records that Einstein existed. He became a naturalized United States citizen. He was a professor at Princeton. There are records of that. His brain is in a jar.
What god has that kind of proof of existence?
Edwin Luciano Frias Christians say some 2000 years ago there existed a “son of God” who performed several miracles like manufacturing wine from “nothing” (Well, water counts for “nothing”) Long and short of it is that you have got to admire this “son of god” character.Downer is that some atheists say he is a totally mythical figure who never existed. My take? Maybe 2000 years people will be saying “Einstein never existed”! A lot can happen in 2000 years you know!
Dawking's voice is amazing!
Brian Greene, we must meet someday Professor.
When think deeply on the universe we realize that we can't deny the existence of some intelligent, conscious and powerful thing.
shahid afwan well not really, I wouldn’t equate the shear wonder of the universe to “I don’t completely understand so there has to be a creator to all of this”. It essentially creates an imaginary cause to the many effects were able to observe in the known universe. “Can’t deny” is an absolute based on bad faith and bad evidence, could it be true, potentially but one can certainly deny based on the lack of evidence we know.
Whatever that thing is it's not from quran atleast .
Ehmmmm nop
you are a thinker I see , allow me to introduce you to more thinkers
James Tour
Stephen Meyer
Jason Lisle
Gary Habermas
John Lennox
Trey Smith “Noah” and ” Theory of everything”
Josh McDowell ” Evidence that demands a verdict”
Dr Grady Mcmurtry
J Warner Wallace
Frank Turek
Walter Veith ‘Rekindling the reformation”
David Wood “why I became a Christian”
John McArthur
CS Lewis
Mike Winger
Dr. Kurt Wise
God almighty
I think the problem with the so-called God is most think of "Him" as being a "Being" and having a personality and human behaviour characteristics. Wouldn't it be why both parties disagree on "His" existence?
Exactly.
The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans. No way that any god could be possible to exist. If really, a deity created ALL, it must be damn clever, not even closer to humans, but.... we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.
@@veronicagorosito187 replace "respect" with "pity" and i'm with you 100% 👍
@@FlockOfHawks No, such a word is not adecuate for what I expressed.
@@veronicagorosito187 okay , then we agree 99% ☺
@@veronicagorosito187 actually us muslims believe in the exact same god u r talkin about. A divine thing/being which is nothing like humans. A being of form which human brains cannot comprehend. It is more of like a huge light for me. One omnipotent God.
Interesting how one of the smartest people on the planet are trying to explain in different ways as simple and logical as possible their views but very few will change their mind. It's very difficult to undo it.
It is also difficult to understand. Usually happens, when there’s no thoughts at all so a person has to use lots of words to mislead the audience .
They work off well with each other. Sort of like Laurel and Hardy.Brilliant coupling of 2 Brilliant minds !!!!
Haast's eagle hunting Moa on the tie, thats epic
Hermanos a mi me dijeron los catecúmenos no me quieren, no a él. Y por lo que he visto hasta ahora, bueno, no es perfecto, pero he visto que su comportamiento es más respetuoso que el mío en especial con la parte creyente y no es que le condicione, se sobreentiende a qué me refiero. Muchas veces he visto que se le ríen cuando yo tampoco entiendo el porqué en esas situaciones se le han reído. Valdría entender?
Richard is my favorite modern philosopher.
Tieodicy: the theological question of how a God assumed to be almighty and good could allow that thing around Dawkins' neck to happen.
Ha! I love that tie.
Ok ai invatat gresit lectura! Understend that!
Doubt, which comes later, is weaker than certainty. But to have infinite doubts make madness becomes infinity because nothing has become a certainty. Is that wrong?
Im an agnostic on God and an Atheist on religion but I think Brian Greens answer is more reasonable than Dawkins.
FanDroid you could have just said you're agnostic that's it.
+Chuck-U Farly
An anti-theist is one that is against religion. An atheist does not believe in any religion. The person above is likely what I am. An Agnostic Atheist
+Chuck-U Farly
I don't subscribe to this idea that every atheist is agnostic. We could make the same argument that every Christian is agnostic because they really can't know that god exists. It's silly. Being an agnostic is about what you believe you know, not what you actually know. A strong atheist will make the argument that they not only reject the claim that god exists, but that one cannot exist. I make no such claim. I'm not sure if there could have been some being or simulator that could have made this universe. I don't believe that one can know for sure, which is why I am an agnostic. Lawrence Krauss shows a lot of signs of being a strong atheist, though I wouldn't call him one necessarily. Krauss tries quite hard to make a god hypothesis as impossible and unnecessary as he can. So to me, there is a difference. Not every atheist is an agnostic
fan droid...you would sound more intelligent if you learned what those words mean before you used them in such a profound statement.
+Chuck-U Farly
I'm not confusing any terms. You however, are confusing the word Agnostic. You just used Gnostic. That's wrong. An Gnostic would be one that knows something. An Agnostic is one that doesn't know. And when I say Strong Atheist, that is the same as Hard Atheist. So you then agree with me that not all atheists are Agnostics. Because the Hard/Strong ones certainly are not Agnostic. I still think that Agnostic Atheist goes a little further, but I won't go into that. But the point I just made is the main one
😂brain greene should star in a sitcom
He has better things to do. He is one of the greatest physicists on the planet.
Just working on my etymology you know.
Psalm 24:7-10
I'm surprised how a scientist cannot realise that God created the universe and hence science!
Science, therefore, proves God's power, it does not negate it.
You are a fool tho
That line of reasoning only works if you presuppose a god exists.
You cannot conclude a god exists using science.
@@dinohall2595
bro, of course I can.
Because of reasoning, everything must have a creator!
@@thesunshine5289 Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but I'll ask: What is that reasoning?
@@dinohall2595
bro dino, i have never been sarcastic with serious and respectful people like you.
The reasoning in our context is the cause, or ground, or principle of creation
Richard the guy who rediscovered the word meme
Curious that nobody defines what they mean by 'god', so discussions are meaningless.
The definition of "god" is quite specific you'll find
With respect , have you ever seen someone who’s not like anybody else.
Ya me this life is a circus
As Professor John Lennox says whenever I ask these atheists how you came into existence, they say ''mindless unguided process...''
It astonishes me that these so called rationalists could make such an unrational statement...
And yet they demand to be treated as persons. Note: there is not hard, objective, empirical evidence for Personhood. It's entirely subjective and anecdotal.
What makes it unrational (irrational)? I understand what they mean and it is perfectly rational if you posses enough knowledge about nature.
@con.troller
The poster is either a troll or just another poor mind unable to accept the unimportance of humanity on a big scale.
Considering he is quoting a proponent of intelligent design with an emphasis on "Professor", it is probably the latter.
He can believe it if it makes him feel important or special. He probably needs that.
So what is the answer ?
even if the god is not exist you can't prove that
but the big question here ?
does a thing comes from nothing ?
I don't think so.