As a biologist, Dawkins deals with the consequences of religious thinking more directly - and it can impact the way biology is taught in schools. In contrast, every discovery that Brian Green makes can be explained away by the religious as just more evidence of God's ultimate mystery. Evolution isn't like that -- it's a much greater threat to the religious world view. That's partly why Brian Greene can afford to be nonchalant about God issues, whereas Dawkins cannot.
@@user-is3yn7xr4c Religious Scientifically illiterate lobbyists are trying to cram stupid nonsense into the science curriculum in the US. That's a problem. Do you want a generation of idiots?
@@user-is3yn7xr4c We also have faith schools in the UK. Which teach scientifically illiterate conspiracy theory nonsense. Also a big issue. Children need to be taught what current Science agrees on.
Wow...better title for this clip. "Perfect example of an informed agnostic meets a perfect example of an informed anti-theist then proceed to agree on everything, while demonstrating how different personalities approach the same problems"
@FiniteAutomaton putting people into one’s own choice of labels shouldn’t be encouraged don’t you think? Based on this brief touching upon by them on the topic, it wasn’t absolutely sure if they classify as unadulterated atheists !
@FiniteAutomaton The original comment was more about their approaches, which are definitely different. Brian Greene is the sort of atheist who is atheist because there is a lack of evidence to be theist (for him, and I happen to agree). Dawkins is atheist because he fundamentally thinks a god cannot, would not, or should not exist. He often takes this several steps further and is quite antagonistic on the subject. I respect Dawkins as an evolutionary biologist, but he is not a good advocate the subject of atheism/theism. His approach is usually quite ham-fisted, and he seems to find theism of any kind patently ridiculous. Rather ironic since, as an evolutionary biologist, he is quite familiar with how and why humans believe these things, and even believed them himself well into his teenage years.
@FiniteAutomaton I see that you have completely missed the point, which is made apparent by your last sentence. I am not trying to discredit an atheist position or Richard Dawkins or anyone for that matter. This isn't about some gotcha moment of "Oh look, see, he's not a REAL atheist." I'm staying on topic, which was the initial reply. I expounded upon that as well. The fact that Dawkins was a practicing member of the Church of England is most definitely relevant. Just not relevant to your point, but certainly relevant to mine and the original poster. Richard Dawkins understands why people believe what they believe, and how they come to believe it. This is why it is frustrating to see him give lectures or have interviews and speak as if the idea of believing in a deity is preposterous. As if the idea is so alien to him as to feign some lack of understanding. It's incredibly disingenuous. He is entitled to his own opinion on the subject of course, but I still don't think he is a good advocate for his cause. I support the Richard Dawkins approach when it comes to things like his discussion with Deepak Chopra. That man is a charlatan and deserves the run-down. I remember, though, an interview where he spoke with Brandon Flowers. That poor guy didn't deserve that treatment. People who are theistic don't believe these things because they are idiots or don't know any better, and Dawkins is intimately familiar with this. He certainly wouldn't be my choice as a speaker for the cause. His approach is a fantastic way to get the people you want to listen to turn off their ears completely.
@FiniteAutomaton I meant that MY position was not one of creating a gotcha moment of trying to say Dawkins or Greene weren't "real atheists", not that you were. And I did misunderstand your sentence regarding discrediting and incorrectly read it as saying you thought I was trying discredit Dawkins or an atheist position. That's my mistake. Nothing I'm saying is attempting to gauge the degree or flavor of the kind of atheist Dawkins vs. Greene is in any other way than their approach to others, which is absolutely different. They may believe the same things regarding theism, but they definitely don't say the same things to others. That is important. Now, perhaps Richard Dawkins doesn't care about bridging gaps with other people, or creating understand. That's his choice. When you tell others they are idiots for their faith, or condescend, you're just going to push them away and confirm misconceptions they already have. He certainly wouldn't be my choice for a panel of voices to explain to others why theism may be the wrong direction.
Don’t be ignorant if you think a little bit, everything have a purpose except us and why we’re here?? just to have fun and growing old drinking beer common and die!! * There must be a stronger entity and it is not a coincidence. Look around you the moon, the sun and what god said and you will know the truth, he said... * * * ( We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?) See by your self :- God said: 1- ( [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving.) 2- ( And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.) 3- ( And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say [something] like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples." @ And [remember] when they said, "O Allah, if this should be the truth from You, then rain down upon us stones from the sky or bring us a painful punishment.") 4- ( Indeed, these [disbelievers] love the immediate [ life ] and leave behind them a grave Day.) 5- (We had certainly brought you the truth, but most of you, to the truth, were averse.) If you reached here and you didn’t believe that’s for you, god said: ( Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded? ) By the way that was mentioned 1400 years ago in the Quran... Well !!see you in the afterlife....
@@lawman34 Physicists have a different understanding of what nothing is and Dawkins is alluding to that whilst having a pop at theists too I think. "You can't get something from nothing' seems to be a stock answer from the religious. Ignoring the fact that's what they claim about Yhwh. Anyway, some cosmological models now infer an eternal universe so no god required anyway.
pinball1970 A few misconceptions you made: Christians and other theists (myself included) believe that God is eternal so that would mean that God didn’t come from nothing. Also the universe can’t be eternal and I will give you one argument for that. In order for the universe exist forever it must have been around infinitely in time. But we know time had a beginning. Time cannot exist forever because if it did there would be an infinite number of days in the past. If there were an infinite number of days in the past then we would never have gotten to this point. God bless
You can start with his interview with joe Rohan it will give you a good idea of what he is about; I am reading his book right now, (until the end of time) this guy is absolutely fascinating
You should really keep what is yours, you need it. God saves people, no your job, physician, heal thyself. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
@@The_Unexplainer of course he doesn't mean that starts were literally alive for them to die, when people say "my phone is dead" do you think the phone was a living breathing creature for it to die
Few centuries later we would find a scientist saying: All hail the nebula explosion for it hath died to give us life. If ye shall not believe in it you shall have eternal damnation of irrationality
@@jst2889 I didn't know the guy believed in talking snakes, looked pretty agnostic to me, my ignorance though, my bad. As to being religious, no, I don't see myself as that kind of guy. I'm just saying Dawkins kinda stumbled in words there. It just shows that science doesn't help you give any verdict on the existence of God, and Dawkins said that himself (probably in a moment when he didn't feel targeted by the idea that God may actually be there)
andy smarandescu it has to be tiring though to be constantly trying to convince people that’s there’s a reality to adhere to, not this dogma that convinces people death is better than being alive. After a tragic death, for example, too many religious people say.....it’s ok that he/she suffered here cause he/she will be rewarded a better life in heaven.
Is this Dawkins guy supposed to be intelligent? So Physicists can explain and do but God can't? LMAO! He sounds like a village idiot that's somehow wandered on stage.
@@robertmcmillan3638 well.... Actually god explains alot in the bible, its just that you might be not too interested in it and decide to go with physicists way of explaining the world(not that i think its much more profound than god's explanation about the world)
@@a.bagasm.7253 I think you misunderstood my comment. I was calling out Dawkins for his sheer stoooooopidity and arrogance thinking that man is more intelligent than God, which is just laughable.
@@rick-nr8zy Till u r keeping ur belief to urself is fine, if you want to live in illusion that’s ur choice. Problem starts when people start using their money, education and other people’s pain points to convert them to Christianity. If ur religion is personal to u then keep it personal, don’t take it to public. People in the west are leaving Christianity so don’t go to poor countries and make them fool.
Well, your comparison its not quite right. And i feel that most people think the God of Israel evil, because they dont seem to understand the position they are in, according to christianity. It is not that a serial killer killed a family next door and you have to thank him, that would be insane. It is more that humanity is a serial killer loose, sitting on the bench in front of a Judge and the judge its allowing the serial killer to live, and not destroying him imediatly. People think that Christian God is evil because he allows evil to happen to them. But that believe is just as messed up as a criminal in jail believing that the judge and the cops are super evil for placing him behind bars. If we are alive, it is because of Gods mercy, and that is said clearly in Scripture " For your mercy is the reason we are not consumed everyday". We are not neutral humans in the hands of a psycotic God. We are psycothic people in the hands of a very Merciful and pacient God, that offers redemption, yet is still the judge, who is going to bring punishment to those that are evil and want to continue that way. It is a very sad reality, but it is the reality of humanity. Thats why Christ died in the cross, so that death and corruption would be overcomed by his cross. And he ressurect in the third day. Those who believe in him are saved from Gods righteous wrath. Those who reject him, are still enemies of God, and still are under the positiong of a criminal. The judge is pacient, but a setence will come eventualy.
O G actually the definition of closed mindedness s when one holds a position that they won’t budge from no matter what the evidence. That’s theism. Dawkins became a scientist and atheist because he has an open mind. If you have evidence that is convincing he would assess it and change his mind according to the evidence. I bet you would not .
O G I am only replying to your obviously incorrect assertion Dawkins is closed minded when being a theists is by definition a closed mind position. Theists with open minds tend to stop being believers which makes them atheists. Why should he entertain such a ridiculous and what seems impossible idea. Since not only is there insufficient evidence any gods exist but no evidence it’s not worth addressing. You are showing your bias by your above comment. Dawkins may not b a good debater but he is a very good writer and teacher. His knowledge of his area of expertise and other wider knowledge is impressive. You problem comes from feeling attacked when your beliefs are rejected.
I truly think this question boils down to what is the character of God. If you think God would theoretically be harsh and uncaring then it is certainly better to think that he doesn't exist. But if you approach the question with the notion that God deeply loves his creation, it becomes easy to think of the world and universe as something he's laid out for humans to discover bits of himself as Greene describes. Both are plausible but it certainly doesn't hurt man to believe that we are not the smartest in the universe.
When we die we'll see who is right, ignorant but i can God created the universe,but it doesn't say anything about reality, ignorant, you are a virus im a cell.
@King Pistachion I’m not deleting anything what you talking about? Let’s see what happen after we die, it will be to late for you, I have seen UFO, And you gonna say it isn’t real? What we think doesn’t say anything about reality, You don’t like God cause you know you have to follow the commandments.
@King Pistachion If life doesn’t has a purpose for you well, I can’t do anything about it, scientists are not Going to save your soul, Cause when you die you’re body is just matter but you’re conscience is not matter that goes somewhere that’s energy, A body can’t work without that energy your soul, follow the evidence where it leads not what a scientist tells you to believe.
Very interesting. He respects the nothingness of origin while a theist respects the origin somethingthness. Very profound and I very much like his way of explaining it
Theist: The universe could not have come out of nothing. Atheist: God, too, could not appear out of nothing. Theist: God, too, could not have appeared out of nothing. Atheist: There is no God. Theist: But we do exist. How is it that both God and the Universe could not appear out of nothing, but we exist. Although we weren't supposed to exist. Atheist: I don't know. Theist: In such a case, either God must be Eternal or the Universe. We know that the Universe is not eternal and has beginnings, age and expands. In such a case, for our existence, God must be Eternal. Theist: God exists. Decent Atheist: God exists.
@@donttrustthem7601 There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, Tooth Fairy, Santa - sure you can believe they exist also but where does that get you? Science demands facts - evidence that can be presented for all to see before it can be called Science - all you are doing is talking to yourself But again, you don't insist that Superman, Spiderman exist, but only God. Why? Because with the belief in God comes the prospect of an eternal life of ease & comfort? A lazy, idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity! Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live such a life down here - shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - tell them the "love" them, sing their praises and hope for a rich life of comfort That is exactly what you are doing These rich Sugar Daddies view their prostitutes/leeches with contempt and disgust for they know that all this "love" and high praises are for their wallet, not for them God views you with disgust - can you not see that?
@@ramaraksha01 your sugar daddy/prostitute theory does not hold water. That is purely a business arrangement- both parties derive benefits from each other. The eternal God created the self perpetuating system that birthed us. We are part of the complex system. While we are alive we take from and feed the system. When we die we feed the system as fertilizer no longer taking. Does God derive any benefit from our existence which would make this a business dealing also? Perhaps pride or entertainment or perhaps the system was developed to feed God nutrition. Who knows? We don’t and probably never will.
@@ramblingbill9101 So you are saying we die, we are just fertilizer in the ground - no Heaven, no hell - no easy lazy life sitting about shamelessly sponging off God No trying to live in a Childrens fantasy land You are saying Science is right?
He has actually in part, already did it on his official you tube channel in his video series titled "your daily dose of equation" where he covered Einstein field equations
incredibly late to the party...but just because something is simple, doesn't mean its wrong. It may only appear simple on the surface level but be much more complex.
It kind of bothers me how Richard says no so firmly, not 'I don't THINK so.' He's so certain about something NOBODY is certain about. That's why it's called faith and belief.
So true, it is called quitting. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
"Some people believe that a god or gods created the Universe out of nothing. If we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question - where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude the Universe always existed? There's no need for a creation because it was always here." - Carl Sagan
We fell here from Heaven to suffer for our sins. That is the reason God created this horrible place, so we still have a chance not to go to Hell. So now you know that suffering is good because it is the only way that we can redeem our sins...............Falun Dafa explains everything.
@Niko If only theist can provide an acceptable evidence then there's no problem to it right? But until then don't expect to change an intellectual mind
He’s a presuppositionalist if I ever saw one. There’s nothing he could ever hear or see that he wouldn’t explain away. He isn’t an Atheist. He’s an anti-theist. He hates God. If he didn’t think there were one, he wouldn’t have such disdain for Him.
shahid afwan well not really, I wouldn’t equate the shear wonder of the universe to “I don’t completely understand so there has to be a creator to all of this”. It essentially creates an imaginary cause to the many effects were able to observe in the known universe. “Can’t deny” is an absolute based on bad faith and bad evidence, could it be true, potentially but one can certainly deny based on the lack of evidence we know.
you are a thinker I see , allow me to introduce you to more thinkers James Tour Stephen Meyer Jason Lisle Gary Habermas John Lennox Trey Smith “Noah” and ” Theory of everything” Josh McDowell ” Evidence that demands a verdict” Dr Grady Mcmurtry J Warner Wallace Frank Turek Walter Veith ‘Rekindling the reformation” David Wood “why I became a Christian” John McArthur CS Lewis Mike Winger Dr. Kurt Wise
I think it is entirely possible we live in a simulated universe created by "deistic" god who started it all, and maybe observes stuff without interfering... but that view really does not explain anything, because then we have an entire "outside" universe to account for and explain.
What exactly is "simulated" in our universe? As for deism, I'd have to say I'm on the fence, but I do prefer deism to theist systems of an organized nature.
1. If that's what happening we should be grateful that we will be able to discover something totally new "outside of universe" what what lay beyond. You act like you are worried there will be New things to explain while most people including atheists would be stunned to discover New Field of reality. 2. Deistic "God"is basically unfalsifable, because even if we will give a philosophical conclusion that Universe is like a perfectly made clock itself then God would be literally the last explanation for that. 3. There literally no reason to believe in deistic "God" - that "God" doesnt care about life, doesnt perform miracles and other supernatural wonders, doesnt give u afterlife, doesnt answer prayers... Its only matters if personal, theistic God exists who at least give you an afterlife.
No. The corporeal realm by definition cannot exist within another corporeal realm. There is only one corporeal realm. It is a realm, not a universe. What is 'outside' it therefore, is spiritual. Spiritually 'outside', not corporeally outside.
@@Hhjhfu247 And it's the theistic God that blames US for the mistakes in his creation, who favors a race and culture over others, who condones violent punishments, and who stays in the dark ages, this is not a God I'm interested in knowing about.
Wait a minute. This was posted Dec 16 2013, and original program date was Sept 24, 2014. Does the World Science Festival have working time travel technology?
I hope in the future there are no anti-theist anymore, why would someone be called as an "anti" to something that doesn't even exist. the theist should be called as an anti-logic or anti-reality.
@@roychristopher5014 🤦why i will prove that .....like someone says anny shit....."prove there are NO aliens" 😕First proof is required then i will DISPROVE..... No proof....and disprove...wtf Until then n.p leave it ,ignore it👍
@@OG-tp6qy Demonstrate there's a hell before threatening with it. If you can demonstrate there's a hell you would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time.
@@OG-tp6qy And I'm just saying demonstrate a hell even exists. If you can demonstrate there's a hell, you would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time. So demonstrate it before you go around claiming it's real. I would be very interested to know if there's a hell, because I don't believe in the Christian God. If you could demonstrate there's a hell that might cause me to re-evaluate that lack of belief.
One thing that many people trip over, is that they believe that biological evolution is purely random, it's not. Just like we have laws of nature, laws of physics, laws of chemistry, we also have laws of biology and reproduction and evolution. Evolution occurs through natural selection and other laws, it's not purely random. So when the universe came into being, and all of these laws were inherent in it, so were the laws of biology and evolution.
Where did the laws come from? It’s not delusional to say “something” or someone created those laws and lives outside of it and cannot be blended by it. Simple answer is we don’t know.
When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
Yes but when u have billions of years and billions of genetic mutations you start to see change. The genetic mutations that help the organism survive go on because that organism was able to pass on its genes. We actually do see varying levels of complexity in cells as well such as Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic cells. Some cells have less or more complex organel systems. Eventually, these cells start to form colonies. They eventually connect to each other to form very simple microbes. These microbobes evolve and get larger over hundreds of millions of years. They eventually form jellyfish and then fish and arthropods. These go on for about 3 billion more years to form the life that we have today. We don't know what the first cells were like because they were too small to have fossilized.
@@ZeitgeistGaming69 If there is no Creator of life forms then show me some hard evidence that a living cell can be created from non life to support your naturalism beliefs.
@@kristijanpavlovic8605 As we are born selfish [survival of the fittest] I suggest that those words love and truth are simply words for dreamers. Those in religion are determined to believe that a god exists that views them "personally" as the great achievers, and others as the dumbed-down losers. lol Egoism is such human's claim to fame.
@@junevandermark952 We are not born selfish, we are taught to become selfish, mostly through our life experience with our environment or our parents. We learn that most of our real needs will not be met, particularly the need to be loved in a true sense so we become self-reliant and simply live to gratify ourselves. This all could be different as our nature has a loving potential. There is nothing dreamy about it, it is a fact of life and if we observe children, particularly the young ones, they are generally more loving than adults. I cannot speak for the religious people as I am not religious, but I can say that God does not divide people into great achievers and dumb down losers as you put it. God loves all of us equally and wants to have a relationship with us no matter who or where we are, or how intelligent or good or evil we are. I agree that humans are mostly egotistic.
@@kristijanpavlovic8605 Religion teaches that we are born in sin, and that translates as being born selfish, according even to the creator of the universe ... don't you agree?
As much as I respect him and all of his opinions I’ve heard, I kinda feel he wasn’t at his best here. If his point is “if it’s true than it’s disappointing”... so what...? What contribution does that add to the truth? I think a more suitable response would’ve been “I like to believe it’s not true but I’m not sure” rather than “it’s not true because it’s disappointing”
@FiniteAutomaton I think you're mixing different concepts here. I first I have to say - yes, there's no evidence of the existence of a God but like everything else in science, there's no 100% certainty there isn't. Second, by saying "the processes we're actually interested in" I believe you're referring to scientificly explanations of all phenomena in the Universe, but that's a completely different issue from the existence of a God. "God" might've created the laws of phisics you're talking about and then you'll be tryin to unckrack "his" work. But by saying "there can't be one because that's undermining our (scientists) work" it's not a Dawkins argument.
@FiniteAutomaton I appreciate the humour, had a good laugh. I don’t think I missed your point, since the point was mine in the first place. I’m a deist, so I don’t care for gods with intentions. What is on the board here is the misconception from Richard by mixing the scientific endeavour on discovering the secrets of the universe with the existence of a God, since both can coexist. I simply don’t agree with his argument that “there can’t be a god because that’s undermining our work”. This is not an argument, sorry. Not only it’s not true but it also could reinforce the argument “there must be a God because the universe is too much complex”. Assigning wishes and displeasures don't have any influence to the truth.
@FiniteAutomaton I’ll give you a second chance. In this video (I repeat, this) he doesn’t talk about evidence or lack of it. He uses reasons like “that’s undermining our work” (nothing to do with evidence); “then he must be damn clever” (again, where’s he talking about evidence?). So I’ll just conclude before you probably repeat yourself, that I think he’s probably right be refuting the existence of a God, he’s just not doing a very good job on this video.
it is always so that there is a boss, not none nor several. you take a shop, there is a boss, every shop has a boss you take a city, there is a boss (called mayor) every city has a boss you take a flock of birds, there is a boss every flock has a boss you take a country, there is a boss, every country has a boss and so on... it is always so, there is a boss, not none nor several, there is no exception so, now, you take the universe, there is a boss
Your entire enterprise never existed without the probability of God. And yes! The word "clever" is woefully inadequate to even begin to describe an omniscient,omnipotent, eternal GOD.
@Jonah Wesley I was just reading the book of proverbs today while in the bus stop, and then I began to wonder what the meaning of the incident involving Ananias and Sapphira was, and how I felt about Peter punishing them. I thought if Peter himself had led a perfect life, then he could have perhaps judged Ananias and Sapphira that way but for being christened a rock by none other than Jesus himself he had certainly stumbled in his own walk with christ. My feeling or point(meaning) is there are times in the lives of all people, the believers and the unbelievers, the faithful and the faithless, the wary and the unwary, the way full and the wayward when they have their moments of pain, doubt and disbelief , experience anxiety and anguish, suffer loss and grief, seem to come under a perpetual cloud that does not lift, a rainy day, or what has been described by none other than modern day spokes persons for christ called evangelists as a "Dark night of the soul", not to mention danger always lurks in the dark, but I feel the true god like nature , if not just the plain old right thing to do when someone else is going through troubling times and hardship and feeling if not also being vulnerable and weak is to be their staff and to be their shield, and to be their comfort and to be their strength. For being raised by Pharoh , perhaps Moses could never deny his Jewish roots or come to terms with the fact that deep down he was never really an Egyptian but always really only a Jew and when he slays the Egyptian military man, god uses this opportunity to speak to him through the voice of his own people who Moses notices were fighting among themselves and he intervenes, reprimands them and reminds them of their true identity, that for being god's chosen people they should know better than to act like that, and sure enough their reply leaves him speechless, causing him to flee into the desert where he discovers he is transformed into a real shepherd and none other than god himself becomes his staff, and his mantle or cloak which you may consider as a shield, and even his voice to speak to Pharoh and to shepherd his people out of captivity, enslavement and bondage into liberty, freedom and the land of promise, but strangely enough by some strange and curious turn of events or by some quirk of fate, he loses his patience and his temper on the jews again, a rather recurring pattern in his behavior , when he sees they have stopped believing in the one true god in favor of a golden calf, and he is furious at them.
I think the problem with the so-called God is most think of "Him" as being a "Being" and having a personality and human behaviour characteristics. Wouldn't it be why both parties disagree on "His" existence?
Exactly. The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans. No way that any god could be possible to exist. If really, a deity created ALL, it must be damn clever, not even closer to humans, but.... we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.
@@VeronicaGorositoMusic actually us muslims believe in the exact same god u r talkin about. A divine thing/being which is nothing like humans. A being of form which human brains cannot comprehend. It is more of like a huge light for me. One omnipotent God.
Exactly. He's essentially saying "if I can't explain it without God, its pointless to even try to describe it because then I can't take credit for it". Meanwhile he's presupposing that humans have some sort of value based on their ability to "explain how you get to something complicated enough to do design". But if we're just a bunch of random chemical reactions, then he has no justification to even make that claim, and let alone "believe" in it. He is putting his faith somewhere (in a deified "Science"), whether he wants to admit it or not.
As Professor John Lennox says whenever I ask these atheists how you came into existence, they say ''mindless unguided process...'' It astonishes me that these so called rationalists could make such an unrational statement...
And yet they demand to be treated as persons. Note: there is not hard, objective, empirical evidence for Personhood. It's entirely subjective and anecdotal.
@con.troller The poster is either a troll or just another poor mind unable to accept the unimportance of humanity on a big scale. Considering he is quoting a proponent of intelligent design with an emphasis on "Professor", it is probably the latter. He can believe it if it makes him feel important or special. He probably needs that.
I am going to have to disagree with you there. The universe is indifferent to human suffering. Thousands of children die everyday from malnutrition. How would you explain two children walking off a school bus, crossing the street, and getting mowed down by an automobile? How do you explain that to the parents? How would you explain that two-thirds of crime worldwide goes unsolved? How would you explain members of organized crime who live their entire lives in luxury and never get caught? You simply cannot explain any of this in a reasonable way. All you can do is illustrate a certain level of brainwashing or intellectual dishonesty. There is something called existential evil: when terrible things happen to people for no reason at all. People can't understand why innocent children die or are killed by Automobiles. They simply can't deal with it. They are adamant, they need explanations. They want to "understand" the world around them, so they make things up as they go along.
@@briant355 If you wasen't a human you would realize that everything happens for a reason. Thats why wise people always say there are always better days ahead.
@@BryerTheKing1 that is a bunch of BS! Fatalism and the dead philosophy of natural law, and the word "karma", what a joke, are used by uneducated people.
@@briant355 Says a human your race loves being evil and deceiving its one fo your races favourite habbits so it's no surprise your ideology is so moronic.
Absolutely! If you believe that God created everything then you have to accept that God is a mere googleplex times more intelligent and wiser than the smartest human being that has ever existed!!
We fell here from Heaven to suffer for our sins. That is the reason God created this horrible place, so we still have a chance not to go to Hell. So now you know that suffering is good because it is the only way that we can redeem our sins...............Falun Dafa explains everything.
If there is a god, his existence is beyond the grasp, thought and comprehension of men or science (as of yet) Otherwise he wont be god, but a natural phenomenon bound by laws of nature/physics.
So from what Dawkins conceeded...God is possible - he /she/it/they just needs to be very clever (or exist outside of the confines of time so he/she/it/they can see what the outcome of any choice before it's chosen). The point that Dawkins repeats about an idea/concept "upsetting your enterprise," was a tad egotistical.
The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans. No way that any god could be possible to exist. If really, a deity created ALL, it must be gdamn clever, not even closer to humans, but.... we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.
I highly recommend checking out Stephen Meyer. He's a well educated and spoken lecturer who presents some brilliant arguments for intelligent design while leaving religion out of it. James Tour has also been known to take the same approach at times, and he's a world class bio-chemist and nano-technologist.
To be honest, as knowledgeable as he is in evolutionary theory, Dawkins' understanding of theism is clearly lacking, as he demonstrates in this answer. He didn't actually make a legitimate point.
This world is solely the enjoyment of delusion, these fancy cars and houses does not benefit us in any way. When life gives us things we are happy but when life takes things away from us we automatically become sad. We love this world but this world does not love us back. In fact, we would give this world everything we have and this world would give us nothing in return, there will be no true happiness for you on earth, always that feeling in your soul, the missing element that you truly try to find. In fact happiness is not how much you have, rather it is how much we can live without! Nothing would satisfy the hunger of man in this quest for this world, except the dirt (the grave), meaning that when we enter our grave only then would we be truly satisfied. If you had a value of Gold, guess what, you would wish that you had another one. This is the reality of this world, a world where true contemptness does not exist. I dont write much on RUclips, except that you would be deserved the truth!
Probably would have been more effective had he discussed mankind in it's recognizable form having been indisputably on Earth for a hundred thousand years or so. Evidently God completely ignored man for ninety-seven thousand years or so. Popping round only in the last three thousand.
Juho Mäntynen : Did man create dna? I ask because "God eternal within the body" is literally encoded/written into the top layer of the dna of every living creature on earth. .
One thing scientist seem to ignore is, if there is a God, He wishes to remain hidden. I look at science as simply answers to man's questions and maybe only for answers sake.
@@GGTBOTD Well there is an invisible dragon in the sky who wishes to remain hidden as well! Aliens, Superman, Spiderman, Tooth Fairy, Santa - all want to remain hidden as well
@@alanantony3842 We think We are ALL God's children - No parent would set apart his own children this way What you are doing is reducing God down to a Master & yourself down to a slave That is what this religion has done to you, reduced you from a Child of God down to a slave serving religion What a fall! God weeps when he sees what this religion has done to you and all it had to do was offer a cheap promise of an eternal life of pleasure, which they know can never be verified We don't do this God is a Putin who wants your vote & support, join his religion, he will be happy and GIVE you eternal pleasures of the flesh There is more to life than just pleasures of the flesh, living like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders shamelessly sponging off rich Sugar Daddies & living the good life, uncaring about what happens in this world or your loved ones We remain TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD, we not his slaves groveling for mercy, begging for a bone and a ticket out of here to magic land of pleasures of the flesh Our place is here on earth. The Earth is our Home
@@TubbyBrewster11 Come on, it's just a cheap religion using threats to force conversions Why do we blindly believe these things? And we get angry at the likes of Putin who torture and kill those who don't believe and support them, but yet fail to call out the same just because they label him God? Such ideas are pure evil Basically it says who we are as people does not matter, what we did in life does not matter That was the same hate that the Jews faced, blacks face Who these people were did not matter to the Nazis, to the Racists This religion is basically saying their "God" is no better than a Putin, a Hitler, a disgusting Racist CALL THEM OUT! STOP BEING SO GULLIBLE!
Just do the very best you can towards the human race and respect and look after your earth surely that is all we can do. Forget any theories or religion s. If we spent more time doing the deed then wondering ..the world would be a kinder and better place.
Then the obvious question would be WHY? Why should people do their best towards humanity when most people wouldn't even bother to do the same why shouldn't you cheat people or overwork them while underpaying them ( like Amazon) when it benefits you , when you can live like a king. Not all people are good not all people have a good upbringing .
Dawkins doesnt explain these things exist because in the beginning everything began with gods plan, that everything has a start a lifespan and a death.
I wish I could like your comment 10 times. Dawkins overrates his own intelligence and men who do are generally like that. We can't even fully grasp the concept of "energy" or "consciousness" and someone is expecting that we should be able to grasp the concept of "God" that sustains these things. smh. Sometimes it's best to just humble ourselves and realise that we really know nothing
@@attackpatterndelta8949 Being a professor at Oxford doesn't make a man wise. You can be a 100 years old and still be a fool. Wisdom comes with understanding that you know nothing and that you can boast about absolutely nothing
The only reason I find scientific talks like this stimulating is because there is optimism, above all open mindedness and willingness to consider a possibility and maybe even to test it out and to try it out but once having seen it for what it really is, if found to be wrong to have the humility to change one's mind and to change one's opinion and above all to change one's ways and to change one's attitude to that possibility there and then, and to discourage and to dissuade people from going in that direction and if found to be right to encourage and to persuade and if necessary even plead with people to go in that direction, both of which is being in the character and in the nature of one who believes in and one who is endowed with the power of critical thinking and is critical minded with a scientific mindset and a scientific temperament which constitutes the foundation and the backbone of a scientific framework. But when Dawkins means that prodigious complexity can emerge even from great simplicity it gives me hope since it means neither is nothing ever really nothing nor is everything ever really everything, the latter meaning there is no limit to the possibility of growth and of self-improvement , self-betterment which is what infuses me with hope. I am not and I do not claim to be Mr. know-it-all and I do not want to be Mr. know-it-all. But my attitude is, neither is what I know really nothing, nor is what I know really everything, and neither is what I do not know, which BTW always exceeds what I do know, really nothing, nor is what I do not know really everything. There is so precious little we know about anything much more so anybody, even ourselves to begin with, yet we are certainly hot-headed all the time. If I made the audacious claim that I know you, I know all there is to know about you, your past, your present and your future, just out of sheer courtesy and out of a sense of civility and modesty you may condescend and stoop to agree with me and maybe even nod your head in acknowledgement, but on the inside you will defiantly hold and maintain and rightly so that I know absolutely nothing about you, and will be happy to dismiss me and to think of me as nothing more than an arrogant and a presumptuous fool/idiot.
then do you know how to deal with the ignorant -> someone that will against it?| can you bring anything to make them realize - at least you have a strong argument toward it?|} you know when they said -> they believe!!] from my angle | do not believe something unless you can evidentially establish it for everything if they tell you they believe | but it's subjective - that's why you use evidence and prove them --> their standard should not be used
Watch from 1:20 onwards to the end to see Dawkins admit his selfish bias. The man's career depends upon him upholding the lie that is evolution as taught.
It’s insane that we live in a world where logic and reason are viewed as ridiculous, whereas fantasy and fairy tales are considered absolutely true. Sad. And it will continue for at least a few more hundred years.
@@2fast2block i dont “believe” anything that isn’t based on reality. Belief= accepting something as fact without any evidence for it. I do not believe in anything.
My favorite thing about Dawkins, entertainment value wise, is when he is presented with bogus arguments or word salad from pseudo-intellectuals and is absolutely flabbergasted like he never knew how stupid humans can be! Lol! Seeing his jaw drop gives me a "first time!?" Vibe lol
Yep, I'm a very open minded person, bet I went to a mediation group and all was well then the instructor said they are friends with Deepak Chopra... (red flag) ...week later all this sudo crap started coming out... I walked 🤣
Honesty is a good start. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
It also stimulates the question ad absurdium that if God created everything who / what created god. If the answer is god is eternal then why not miss out the middle bit and just have the universe as eternal.
I'm not sure what you are saying or implying but I'll take a crack .. Asking who created God is way more intelligent than asking how everything came from nothing, but it's also fallacious and redundant at the same time. Anyone who believes Dawkins and Krause, should use their god granted will along with intelligence to learn why and how such of their claims are deceptive bs
@@crazyeyedme4685 Happy to clarify. Gods are made by men not the other way round. They are myths, legends, fantasy creatures, figments of human imagination used to gain power and control over the uneducated, gullible and delusional.
@@billgreen576 I understand deception far better than most. I don't care for it. There's something greater going on with religion than simple psychological manipulation and control...
@@billgreen576 are you sure that all the compartmentalized sciences are true? For example... Do you believe that you exist via the big band of an infinitesimally small infintesimally dense singularity? Do you believe that you evolved from a rock and some thermodynamic action?
Egunleti Damilola . It's obvious that his tie is a fractal, binary self-replicating algorithmic! Same as mature is .... He's a wonderful speaker and his tie loves him. G'day FROM AUSTRALIA COBBER.
it is always so that there is a boss, not none nor several. you take a shop, there is a boss, every shop has a boss you take a city, there is a boss (called mayor) every city has a boss you take a flock of birds, there is a boss every flock has a boss you take a country, there is a boss, every country has a boss and so on... it is always so, there is a boss, not none nor several, there is no exception so, now, you take the universe, there is a boss
This was a very weak argument against God. He basically said that there can’t be a God because if there’s a God then my work as a scientist loses its luster.
Yeah, I can agree with that, this sort of argument seems a bit selfish. But at the same time, I think this idea that a creator is supposed to be immune to "origin" question while a Universe (or Multiverse) isn't, seems kind of dishonest. Personally I think the idea that some kind of creator, a "programmer" if you will, input the parameters for laws of physics, all the constants etc. (even if it's random and been done many many times in other Universes) and pressed "start" (big bang) is interesting, but ultimately I think it just comes down to our inability to comprehend true "nothingness" so we need some sort of impetus at the start of it all to feel at ease. But the same way a God can be eternal, why couldn't a Universe (or Multiverse) be eternal as well? Maybe ultimately it is just how it works and always has. Regardless, even if one does believe in this sort of deistic idea of a God, it is MILES different than believing what most people on Earth believe with current world religions. Believing that this creator knows about us, cares for us and wants us to do something is significantly bigger claim and when scrutinized by rational logical people it just doesn't hold up.
Modestas Malakauskas I don’t think that not knowing where the Creator came from is dishonest. We have so much evidence of design so the conclusion is there must be a designer. We don’t have any idea how the creator came to be bc there’s nothing we can use to determine that. Similar to if we saw “HELP” spelled out on a remote island. If we landed on the island and couldn’t find the person who spelled it out, would we way “oh I guess it was just chance after all.” Of course not! We have no idea where that person went or who he was but we know for certain that someone spelled out that word.
@@davidhodge8509 "I don’t think that not knowing where the Creator came from is dishonest." Well, most religious people will say "it doesn't demand an answer, God was always there". If you say "I don't know", then that's fair because science may never be able to fully explain how "something" started at the very base level. So we have to be comfortable with saying "we don't know". "Similar to if we saw “HELP” spelled out on a remote island." I don't think it's similar at all. We KNOW that beach sand doesn't randomly rearrange itself into something that resembles a word. Ever. So yes, it does require a "designer". But what we interpret as "complexity" is very subjective. For a long time we couldn't comprehend how lightning strikes worked, therefore "it must have come from some divine source". "We have so much evidence of design so the conclusion is there must be a designer." For example? We understand how stars formed, how evolution happened, as complex as it may seem it doesn't require a designer at all. And once again, history shows us that we have a very clear tendency to attribute anything "complex" to some sort of divinity/creator. It happened many many times throughout our recorded history. I mean, if you lived during Ancient Greece, you would have to attribute lightning as "clear proof" that some kind of "higher power" is in effect, right? Eventually this mystique was shattered. Yes, at some point this complexity may once again reach the point where it may seem "unfathomable" to just happen naturally to many people (big bang, for example), but it's not exactly evidence, it's just our interpretation of it.
When I am homeless in the wet and cold, and when my life seems more then I can hold, where can I turn to ease my plight, I’m freezing still, no hope in sight, yet still there’s evolution…..all that’s left for me…
Dawkins Continuing to Explain Evolutionary Aspects of Life, Very Very Tough Task. Tough Task because Time Helps His Theories and Time Greatly Hinders. If We could Just Keep Dawkins on The Life Form Known as Human we would Easily See His Conundrum. Part of that Conundrum is His Own Ancestry. For Example :- At What Point in Time can Richard Prove His Ancestors were a Different Animal. ( Emphasis on Prove ).
You have just made it clear, that you don’t understand evolution. At all. It is graduate changes over time - 1000’s of years - i populations. And WE name the fossils. Education- please.
@@erikhviid3189 EH, Significant Number of Examples on No Change "over time - 1000's of years". Example :- The Land Lizards can Still Swim. Yet many of these have been Living a Land Lifestyle for Millions of Years. They have No Need to Swim but They Still can Swim!. Same for the Lizards Living in Water. They can Still Walk, Millions of Years!. Then there is the Plants. Also, Where are the Fossils of Humans?. Erik You Need More Education.
So Dawkins admitted that if there is a creator that it undermines his entire career as a scientist ... wouldn't that be the very reason to push for the absence of a God in order to "keep your job"?
there is a question about god that can make anyone struggle and it is that where has god come from?how old is god? these are mind blowing questions which i had asked religion teacher few years and his answer was that we are not enough intelligent to understand this.
Arabic: بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ ١ اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ ٢ لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ ٣ وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ ٤ In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
An author is outside or beyond a book. A painter outside or beyond the painting. A creator is outside or beyond creation. God is outside or beyond the universe.
We don´t have to scrap science results to take a creator into the equation. For all we know, science is unveiling the intelligence of a creator. If science one day finds out such a thing, all of out science would not have been wasted. Not at all. Interesting times for sure.
Well the creator would likely be super smart, hs wouldn't be someone who flunked school right? Lol but it would be funny to see a Universe made by a shitty God and all of his sentient creations know how shitty he is.
The only evidence we have for a creator in our world is the bible, which is supposedly, the inerrant word of an almighty all knowing god. That bible is the best evidence that no god does not exists because it is full of mistakes.
I find it exceptionally hard to comprehend how such a ridiculously delicate balance, that gave rise to a planet that hosts an extraordinary variety and number of species on Earth including the unimaginably intelligent home sapiens, could arise just “by mere chance”. Believing in God is more rational than believing that we are a product of a statistically impossible set of circumstances
"Believing in God is more rational than believing that we are a product of a statistically impossible set of circumstances" You claim it is hard to comprehend everything existing 'by mere chance' (paraphrasing). However God existing by mere chance is something you will accept.... think about it. If you accept that God always has been then life could also have always been. The thing is your claim to 'mere chance', is only one idea out there, no one states it as fact.
@@ThyBountyHunter God Exists independent from material needs. He is also independent from time as that is also one of God's Creations. God is not a slave to any of this. Lifeforms around the world (or Universe) couldn't always have been there as you claimed as that would mean each independent lifeform would be its own independent God.....which in case you needed it pointed out to you is just a ludicrous idea.
The deepest question will always be, what is the space-time singularity, or the source of the Big Bang? This is where physics breaks down, but until we can answer that question and deal with "The Infinite" side of nature we will always be stumbling in the dark. We are submerged in a medium we cannot see beyond that is somewhere between an infinite positive (The Infinite) relative to an infinite negative (absolute nothingness). I would argue that the Universe seems to be the balance between these two ultimate polar opposites. There has to be an "in-between" of some kind, so why not the medium of spacetime and its finely tuned laws? As a preeminent Infinite Source it certainly has the potential to create like God - whether you want to call this ultimate source God or not, I think it needs to be explained before we can dismiss or deny what caused the First Cause.
Blah, blah, blah. Watch the video again and pay attention to the end. Assuming whatever you think you mean by first cause makes any sense at all, it’s just more physics. So what?
FIRST CAUSE . In trying to condense your words, I think it amounts to inserting the possibility of a God to fill the scientific gaps. We don't have the answer for everything, so let's stick a God in there.
buzz magister . "First cause" has a problem trying to convert me with arguments about big bang and evolution etc. he will be annoyed to find out that I know very little about Evolution, and I don't care if its right or wrong. How I got here is of no interest to me, the fact is that I am here, and I don't believe I was put in by any supernatural force.
buzz magister . Yes I get so annoyed with that kind of nonsense. I usually prefer to short-circuit that stuff. If someone starts arguing about origin, I say never mind about that, let's concentrate on the Bible. Are you telling me that an omnipotent flawless, "loving" creator could exist when calling for parents to sell their daughters to slavery, stoning disobedient children to death, smashing babies heads against rocks etc? Stuff the big bang theory, it's that bible that ends any question for me.
buzz magister . Yes, The authenticity of the Bible is interesting. I was reading about people in the middle ages. Evidently they thought that Demons resided in brussels sprouts, and they took caterpillars to court for eating plants. Intelligence like that makes me wonder what brainpower was around at least 1500 years before that. I guess gods for thunder and lightning sheds some light on my dilemma.
Did you ever notice, that these celebrity atheists, who say they don't believe in God, spend most of their time talking about God. It's like their on a perpetual Freudian slip!
So what has he said that makes meaningful sense? He just went on in a directionless and circumlocutory manner to explain his refutation for God's existence without clarity!
As a biologist, Dawkins deals with the consequences of religious thinking more directly - and it can impact the way biology is taught in schools. In contrast, every discovery that Brian Green makes can be explained away by the religious as just more evidence of God's ultimate mystery. Evolution isn't like that -- it's a much greater threat to the religious world view. That's partly why Brian Greene can afford to be nonchalant about God issues, whereas Dawkins cannot.
A good point
Pretty much sums up the video
Why would a biologist deal with the consequences of religious thinking?
@@user-is3yn7xr4c Religious Scientifically illiterate lobbyists are trying to cram stupid nonsense into the science curriculum in the US. That's a problem. Do you want a generation of idiots?
@@user-is3yn7xr4c We also have faith schools in the UK. Which teach scientifically illiterate conspiracy theory nonsense. Also a big issue. Children need to be taught what current Science agrees on.
I'm sorry, I was too distracted by Dawkin's awesome tie.
Didn't even look at it the whole video
you mean the fairy tales that he believe in oh yeah
What's wrong with the tie? I'd also love to have one.
NO ART WITHOUT ARTIST
NO CREATION WITHOUT CREATOR
@@Muslim_Convert_Stories WELL STATED.
NOW WHO CREATED THE CREATOR?
Wow...better title for this clip. "Perfect example of an informed agnostic meets a perfect example of an informed anti-theist then proceed to agree on everything, while demonstrating how different personalities approach the same problems"
@FiniteAutomaton putting people into one’s own choice of labels shouldn’t be encouraged don’t you think? Based on this brief touching upon by them on the topic, it wasn’t absolutely sure if they classify as unadulterated atheists !
@FiniteAutomaton The original comment was more about their approaches, which are definitely different. Brian Greene is the sort of atheist who is atheist because there is a lack of evidence to be theist (for him, and I happen to agree). Dawkins is atheist because he fundamentally thinks a god cannot, would not, or should not exist. He often takes this several steps further and is quite antagonistic on the subject. I respect Dawkins as an evolutionary biologist, but he is not a good advocate the subject of atheism/theism. His approach is usually quite ham-fisted, and he seems to find theism of any kind patently ridiculous. Rather ironic since, as an evolutionary biologist, he is quite familiar with how and why humans believe these things, and even believed them himself well into his teenage years.
@FiniteAutomaton I see that you have completely missed the point, which is made apparent by your last sentence. I am not trying to discredit an atheist position or Richard Dawkins or anyone for that matter. This isn't about some gotcha moment of "Oh look, see, he's not a REAL atheist." I'm staying on topic, which was the initial reply. I expounded upon that as well.
The fact that Dawkins was a practicing member of the Church of England is most definitely relevant. Just not relevant to your point, but certainly relevant to mine and the original poster. Richard Dawkins understands why people believe what they believe, and how they come to believe it. This is why it is frustrating to see him give lectures or have interviews and speak as if the idea of believing in a deity is preposterous. As if the idea is so alien to him as to feign some lack of understanding. It's incredibly disingenuous. He is entitled to his own opinion on the subject of course, but I still don't think he is a good advocate for his cause.
I support the Richard Dawkins approach when it comes to things like his discussion with Deepak Chopra. That man is a charlatan and deserves the run-down. I remember, though, an interview where he spoke with Brandon Flowers. That poor guy didn't deserve that treatment. People who are theistic don't believe these things because they are idiots or don't know any better, and Dawkins is intimately familiar with this. He certainly wouldn't be my choice as a speaker for the cause. His approach is a fantastic way to get the people you want to listen to turn off their ears completely.
@FiniteAutomaton I meant that MY position was not one of creating a gotcha moment of trying to say Dawkins or Greene weren't "real atheists", not that you were. And I did misunderstand your sentence regarding discrediting and incorrectly read it as saying you thought I was trying discredit Dawkins or an atheist position. That's my mistake.
Nothing I'm saying is attempting to gauge the degree or flavor of the kind of atheist Dawkins vs. Greene is in any other way than their approach to others, which is absolutely different. They may believe the same things regarding theism, but they definitely don't say the same things to others. That is important. Now, perhaps Richard Dawkins doesn't care about bridging gaps with other people, or creating understand. That's his choice. When you tell others they are idiots for their faith, or condescend, you're just going to push them away and confirm misconceptions they already have. He certainly wouldn't be my choice for a panel of voices to explain to others why theism may be the wrong direction.
Antitheists Are Evil,
Therefore
Richard Dawkins Is An Atheist.
These 2 have had several discussions you can find online, I would recommend checking them out! So intriguing and eye opening!
Love listening to them
Don’t be ignorant if you think a little bit, everything have a purpose except us and why we’re here?? just to have fun and growing old drinking beer common and die!!
* There must be a stronger entity and it is not a coincidence. Look around you the moon, the sun and what god said and you will know the truth, he said...
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* ( We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?)
See by your self :-
God said:
1- ( [He] who created death and life to test you [as to] which of you is best in deed - and He is the Exalted in Might, the Forgiving.)
2- ( And they say, "There is not but our worldly life; we die and live, and nothing destroys us except time." And they have of that no knowledge; they are only assuming.)
3- ( And when Our verses are recited to them, they say, "We have heard. If we willed, we could say [something] like this. This is not but legends of the former peoples." @ And [remember] when they said, "O Allah, if this should be the truth from You, then rain down upon us stones from the sky or bring us a painful punishment.")
4- ( Indeed, these [disbelievers] love the immediate [ life ] and leave behind them a grave Day.)
5- (We had certainly brought you the truth, but most of you, to the truth, were averse.)
If you reached here and you didn’t believe that’s for you, god said:
( Have you seen he who has taken as his god his [own] desire, and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge and has set a seal upon his hearing and his heart and put over his vision a veil? So who will guide him after Allah? Then will you not be reminded? )
By the way that was mentioned 1400 years ago in the Quran...
Well !!see you in the afterlife....
@@seethelight657 You sound as if you're growing old and drinking way to much beer!
@@seethelight657 these are no arguments just quotes
@@seethelight657 what do you think this mumbo jumbo proves?
@@seethelight657 how do you know what god said?
“We hand over to physicists when we go from virtually nothing to absolutely nothing...” 😂😂😂
That one had me rotfl
Im clearly not scientifically literate enough to understand that joke
Shane Campbell theists like to say the universe can’t come from nothing so he is making fun of them
@@lawman34 Physicists have a different understanding of what nothing is and Dawkins is alluding to that whilst having a pop at theists too I think.
"You can't get something from nothing' seems to be a stock answer from the religious. Ignoring the fact that's what they claim about Yhwh.
Anyway, some cosmological models now infer an eternal universe so no god required anyway.
pinball1970 A few misconceptions you made:
Christians and other theists (myself included) believe that God is eternal so that would mean that God didn’t come from nothing.
Also the universe can’t be eternal and I will give you one argument for that. In order for the universe exist forever it must have been around infinitely in time. But we know time had a beginning. Time cannot exist forever because if it did there would be an infinite number of days in the past. If there were an infinite number of days in the past then we would never have gotten to this point.
God bless
This dude actually *does* have awesome ties
His wife painted them for him. All biology themed. He has one with penguins on it that I like.
@@claires9100 I like penguins and polar bears
@@claires9100 his wife is SKILLED
@@bean7496 Me too. :)
He is British 😂. Of course thats their attire
I like this Brian Green guy. It's the first time I even hear about him
He is awesome and has a brilliant mind, you should watch his ted talks and look more into him! I recommend it
You can start with his interview with joe Rohan it will give you a good idea of what he is about; I am reading his book right now, (until the end of time) this guy is absolutely fascinating
@@sbadreau blown spokane*
Read his books. They are really good!!!
Highly recomment his books too! And the 4 hours documentary "The fabric of the universe"
Sending good energy to everybody!
You should really keep what is yours, you need it. God saves people, no your job, physician, heal thyself. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
Just think for a moment : Stars have died so that we could live.
They never lived, so they didn't die. They just exploded ..
Stars were never alive
No... It's stars died that's why we live ..not so that
@@The_Unexplainer of course he doesn't mean that starts were literally alive for them to die, when people say "my phone is dead" do you think the phone was a living breathing creature for it to die
Few centuries later we would find a scientist saying:
All hail the nebula explosion for it hath died to give us life. If ye shall not believe in it you shall have eternal damnation of irrationality
I really like discussions like this - between great thinkers like these two.
Yea me too actually, none of them is trying to look smart. But Dawkins kinda made a fool out of himself here imo
Hahaha Brian isn’t a great thinker. He’s an adult that literally believes in talking snakes and the Virgin birth.
andy smarandescu you must be religious to say that
@@jst2889 I didn't know the guy believed in talking snakes, looked pretty agnostic to me, my ignorance though, my bad. As to being religious, no, I don't see myself as that kind of guy. I'm just saying Dawkins kinda stumbled in words there. It just shows that science doesn't help you give any verdict on the existence of God, and Dawkins said that himself (probably in a moment when he didn't feel targeted by the idea that God may actually be there)
andy smarandescu it has to be tiring though to be constantly trying to convince people that’s there’s a reality to adhere to, not this dogma that convinces people death is better than being alive. After a tragic death, for example, too many religious people say.....it’s ok that he/she suffered here cause he/she will be rewarded a better life in heaven.
Here's a proof that the more intelligent a person is the better humor they have.
Cap
Is this Dawkins guy supposed to be intelligent?
So Physicists can explain and do but God can't?
LMAO!
He sounds like a village idiot that's somehow wandered on stage.
@@robertmcmillan3638 well.... Actually god explains alot in the bible, its just that you might be not too interested in it and decide to go with physicists way of explaining the world(not that i think its much more profound than god's explanation about the world)
True generally but I know some idiots who are funny af.
@@a.bagasm.7253 I think you misunderstood my comment.
I was calling out Dawkins for his sheer stoooooopidity and arrogance thinking that man is more intelligent than God, which is just laughable.
i love this man so much i don’t want him to grow older anymore :(
@@ephemeral5964 yahh!😢
@@ephemeral5964 it's not the time that makes you older
Dont worry he'll be born again.
@@mirriulahwaterdog no. He'll be dead
@@thakraken6995 Yeah mate I was a bit tongue in cheek there.
Thanking god for sparing you in a natural disaster is like sending a thank you note to a serial killer for
stabbing the family next door.
Haiti Earthquake. 100,000 plus deaths - - "Oh well. God's will is mysterious".
One baby found in the rubble - - "It's a miracle from a merciful God!!"
@@con.troller4183 Good one..
@@rick-nr8zy Till u r keeping ur belief to urself is fine, if you want to live in illusion that’s ur choice. Problem starts when people start using their money, education and other people’s pain points to convert them to Christianity. If ur religion is personal to u then keep it personal, don’t take it to public.
People in the west are leaving Christianity so don’t go to poor countries and make them fool.
Well, your comparison its not quite right. And i feel that most people think the God of Israel evil, because they dont seem to understand the position they are in, according to christianity.
It is not that a serial killer killed a family next door and you have to thank him, that would be insane.
It is more that humanity is a serial killer loose, sitting on the bench in front of a Judge and the judge its allowing the serial killer to live, and not destroying him imediatly.
People think that Christian God is evil because he allows evil to happen to them. But that believe is just as messed up as a criminal in jail believing that the judge and the cops are super evil for placing him behind bars. If we are alive, it is because of Gods mercy, and that is said clearly in Scripture " For your mercy is the reason we are not consumed everyday".
We are not neutral humans in the hands of a psycotic God. We are psycothic people in the hands of a very Merciful and pacient God, that offers redemption, yet is still the judge, who is going to bring punishment to those that are evil and want to continue that way.
It is a very sad reality, but it is the reality of humanity. Thats why Christ died in the cross, so that death and corruption would be overcomed by his cross. And he ressurect in the third day. Those who believe in him are saved from Gods righteous wrath. Those who reject him, are still enemies of God, and still are under the positiong of a criminal. The judge is pacient, but a setence will come eventualy.
S.B. that is a brilliant statement, thank you !!! please run for president of the world !!!
Brian Greene likes to play with fire 🤣
Rightfully
Mario Rugeles the trouble the fire he is talking about does not exist
O G actually the definition of closed mindedness s when one holds a position that they won’t budge from no matter what the evidence. That’s theism. Dawkins became a scientist and atheist because he has an open mind. If you have evidence that is convincing he would assess it and change his mind according to the evidence. I bet you would not .
O G I am only replying to your obviously incorrect assertion Dawkins is closed minded when being a theists is by definition a closed mind position. Theists with open minds tend to stop being believers which makes them atheists.
Why should he entertain such a ridiculous and what seems impossible idea. Since not only is there insufficient evidence any gods exist but no evidence it’s not worth addressing.
You are showing your bias by your above comment. Dawkins may not b a good debater but he is a very good writer and teacher. His knowledge of his area of expertise and other wider knowledge is impressive. You problem comes from feeling attacked when your beliefs are rejected.
O G theism is the failure to sufficiently investigate ideas, it’s closed minded by definition.
I truly think this question boils down to what is the character of God. If you think God would theoretically be harsh and uncaring then it is certainly better to think that he doesn't exist. But if you approach the question with the notion that God deeply loves his creation, it becomes easy to think of the world and universe as something he's laid out for humans to discover bits of himself as Greene describes. Both are plausible but it certainly doesn't hurt man to believe that we are not the smartest in the universe.
A cell trying to explain the whole universe.
When we die we'll see who is right, ignorant but i can God created the universe,but it doesn't say anything about reality, ignorant, you are a virus im a cell.
@george chapelle we hate virus.
What are you saying? What's your stand point?
@King Pistachion I’m not deleting anything what you talking about? Let’s see what happen after we die, it will be to late for you, I have seen UFO, And you gonna say it isn’t real? What we think doesn’t say anything about reality, You don’t like God cause you know you have to follow the commandments.
@King Pistachion If life doesn’t has a purpose for you well, I can’t do anything about it, scientists are not Going to save your soul, Cause when you die you’re body is just matter but you’re conscience is not matter that goes somewhere that’s energy, A body can’t work without that energy your soul, follow the evidence where it leads not what a scientist tells you to believe.
Very interesting. He respects the nothingness of origin while a theist respects the origin somethingthness. Very profound and I very much like his way of explaining it
Theist: The universe could not have come out of nothing.
Atheist: God, too, could not appear out of nothing.
Theist: God, too, could not have appeared out of nothing.
Atheist: There is no God.
Theist: But we do exist. How is it that both God and the Universe could not appear out of nothing, but we exist. Although we weren't supposed to exist.
Atheist: I don't know.
Theist: In such a case, either God must be Eternal or the Universe. We know that the Universe is not eternal and has beginnings, age and expands. In such a case, for our existence, God must be Eternal.
Theist: God exists.
Decent Atheist: God exists.
@@donttrustthem7601 There is as much evidence for God as there is for Superman, Spiderman, Tooth Fairy, Santa - sure you can believe they exist also but where does that get you? Science demands facts - evidence that can be presented for all to see before it can be called Science - all you are doing is talking to yourself
But again, you don't insist that Superman, Spiderman exist, but only God. Why?
Because with the belief in God comes the prospect of an eternal life of ease & comfort?
A lazy, idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity!
Prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live such a life down here - shamelessly sponging off their rich Sugar Daddies - tell them the "love" them, sing their praises and hope for a rich life of comfort
That is exactly what you are doing
These rich Sugar Daddies view their prostitutes/leeches with contempt and disgust for they know that all this "love" and high praises are for their wallet, not for them
God views you with disgust - can you not see that?
@@ramaraksha01 your sugar daddy/prostitute theory does not hold water. That is purely a business arrangement- both parties derive benefits from each other. The eternal God created the self perpetuating system that birthed us. We are part of the complex system. While we are alive we take from and feed the system. When we die we feed the system as fertilizer no longer taking. Does God derive any benefit from our existence which would make this a business dealing also? Perhaps pride or entertainment or perhaps the system was developed to feed God nutrition. Who knows? We don’t and probably never will.
@@ramblingbill9101 So you are saying we die, we are just fertilizer in the ground - no Heaven, no hell - no easy lazy life sitting about shamelessly sponging off God
No trying to live in a Childrens fantasy land
You are saying Science is right?
@@ramaraksha01 science is just the collection of knowledge so I'm not sure why you project it like it's somehow contrasting with any other knowledge
There is a request to Professor Brian Greene that could you please deliver a lecture on the Mathematics of General Theory of Relativity...
He has actually in part, already did it on his official you tube channel in his video series titled "your daily dose of equation" where he covered Einstein field equations
@@danishsamir8807 Thank you:)
The religious god or deity is waaayyyy too simple. We as humans find it too easy to over simplify things that are very complex
More like we're too simple to understand a creative force.
incredibly late to the party...but just because something is simple, doesn't mean its wrong. It may only appear simple on the surface level but be much more complex.
It kind of bothers me how Richard says no so firmly, not 'I don't THINK so.'
He's so certain about something NOBODY is certain about. That's why it's called faith and belief.
That's because he's full of shit. he says things that are completely untrue, like 2:36
So true, it is called quitting. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
if it's about power , he's an egyptian
Why
Brian is beyond hilarious!
i like the dawkins tie
When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
"Some people believe that a god or gods created the Universe out of nothing. If we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question - where did god come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that god always existed, why not save a step and conclude the Universe always existed? There's no need for a creation because it was always here." - Carl Sagan
Universe have begging
Both of these gentlemen are treasures
We fell here from Heaven to suffer for our sins. That is the reason God created this horrible place, so we still have a chance not to go to Hell. So now you know that suffering is good because it is the only way that we can redeem our sins...............Falun Dafa explains everything.
His tie is amazing
kedthings, where ya from
As always Dawkins making some great points there! If only people were more like him... that would be such an amazing planet!
@Niko If only theist can provide an acceptable evidence then there's no problem to it right? But until then don't expect to change an intellectual mind
He’s a presuppositionalist if I ever saw one. There’s nothing he could ever hear or see that he wouldn’t explain away. He isn’t an Atheist. He’s an anti-theist. He hates God. If he didn’t think there were one, he wouldn’t have such disdain for Him.
Brian Greene is an amazing speaker.
Absolutely incredible, I don't know how he got so good
When think deeply on the universe we realize that we can't deny the existence of some intelligent, conscious and powerful thing.
shahid afwan well not really, I wouldn’t equate the shear wonder of the universe to “I don’t completely understand so there has to be a creator to all of this”. It essentially creates an imaginary cause to the many effects were able to observe in the known universe. “Can’t deny” is an absolute based on bad faith and bad evidence, could it be true, potentially but one can certainly deny based on the lack of evidence we know.
Whatever that thing is it's not from quran atleast .
Ehmmmm nop
you are a thinker I see , allow me to introduce you to more thinkers
James Tour
Stephen Meyer
Jason Lisle
Gary Habermas
John Lennox
Trey Smith “Noah” and ” Theory of everything”
Josh McDowell ” Evidence that demands a verdict”
Dr Grady Mcmurtry
J Warner Wallace
Frank Turek
Walter Veith ‘Rekindling the reformation”
David Wood “why I became a Christian”
John McArthur
CS Lewis
Mike Winger
Dr. Kurt Wise
God almighty
I think it is entirely possible we live in a simulated universe created by "deistic" god who started it all, and maybe observes stuff without interfering... but that view really does not explain anything, because then we have an entire "outside" universe to account for and explain.
What exactly is "simulated" in our universe? As for deism, I'd have to say I'm on the fence, but I do prefer deism to theist systems of an organized nature.
@@RebuttalRecords I would say that the entire universe seems to be simulated, as it is quantified.
1. If that's what happening we should be grateful that we will be able to discover something totally new "outside of universe" what what lay beyond. You act like you are worried there will be New things to explain while most people including atheists would be stunned to discover New Field of reality.
2. Deistic "God"is basically unfalsifable, because even if we will give a philosophical conclusion that Universe is like a perfectly made clock itself then God would be literally the last explanation for that.
3. There literally no reason to believe in deistic "God" - that "God" doesnt care about life, doesnt perform miracles and other supernatural wonders, doesnt give u afterlife, doesnt answer prayers...
Its only matters if personal, theistic God exists who at least give you an afterlife.
No. The corporeal realm by definition cannot exist within another corporeal realm. There is only one corporeal realm. It is a realm, not a universe. What is 'outside' it therefore, is spiritual. Spiritually 'outside', not corporeally outside.
@@Hhjhfu247 And it's the theistic God that blames US for the mistakes in his creation, who favors a race and culture over others, who condones violent punishments, and who stays in the dark ages, this is not a God I'm interested in knowing about.
Wait a minute. This was posted Dec 16 2013, and original program date was Sept 24, 2014. Does the World Science Festival have working time travel technology?
Probably either a typo in the description or this is a clip from the discussion before it eventually aired later.
Sorry if this was a joke.
yes
Gawd done it.
I hope in the future there are no anti-theist anymore, why would someone be called as an "anti" to something that doesn't even exist. the theist should be called as an anti-logic or anti-reality.
and your proof of "no God" is what?
What?? Did you just say anti-reality and anti-reason? Only those who don't understand theism (particulary, jedeo-christian theism) would say that.
I got confused. I thought he said atheist.
True
@@roychristopher5014 🤦why i will prove that .....like someone says anny shit....."prove there are NO aliens"
😕First proof is required then i will DISPROVE.....
No proof....and disprove...wtf
Until then n.p leave it ,ignore it👍
"he would have to be damn clever" don't most people believe in an omniscient god. So he would be even more than "damn clever"
@@OG-tp6qy Demonstrate there's a hell before threatening with it. If you can demonstrate there's a hell you would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time.
@@OG-tp6qy And I'm just saying demonstrate a hell even exists. If you can demonstrate there's a hell, you would have made the greatest scientific discovery of all time. So demonstrate it before you go around claiming it's real.
I would be very interested to know if there's a hell, because I don't believe in the Christian God. If you could demonstrate there's a hell that might cause me to re-evaluate that lack of belief.
@Halime Khaya I disagree. We think you're not looking deeply enough and we think you're the one who's lost focus.
@@OG-tp6qy dudee... You didn't understand what he meant to say, at all. Just watch it again until you understand
@Halime Khaya I can't tell if you're trolling or you're actually that incredibly stupid
Greene: Asking Dawkins whether God exists
Dawkins: *Jotaro kujo's theme playing*
The creator of jojo believes in God
One thing that many people trip over, is that they believe that biological evolution is purely random, it's not. Just like we have laws of nature, laws of physics, laws of chemistry, we also have laws of biology and reproduction and evolution. Evolution occurs through natural selection and other laws, it's not purely random. So when the universe came into being, and all of these laws were inherent in it, so were the laws of biology and evolution.
Where did the laws come from? It’s not delusional to say “something” or someone created those laws and lives outside of it and cannot be blended by it. Simple answer is we don’t know.
When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
All things are unique and nothing has ever evolved into another thing and every living thing has a soul. Falun Dafa explains creation quite clearly.
Each thing is unique and not once has evolution occurred, so guess again...................Falun Dafa
Great conversation between two intelligent men.
When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
The difference between intelligence and wisdom is suffering......................Falun Gong
simple to complex is mis-leading, even a single cell has proteins, lipids, plasma, DNA, other chemicals, not that simple.
Yes but when u have billions of years and billions of genetic mutations you start to see change. The genetic mutations that help the organism survive go on because that organism was able to pass on its genes. We actually do see varying levels of complexity in cells as well such as Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic cells. Some cells have less or more complex organel systems. Eventually, these cells start to form colonies. They eventually connect to each other to form very simple microbes. These microbobes evolve and get larger over hundreds of millions of years. They eventually form jellyfish and then fish and arthropods. These go on for about 3 billion more years to form the life that we have today. We don't know what the first cells were like because they were too small to have fossilized.
Simple is stromatolites.
You started too late to mention Life's origins.
Pilbara Craton, start there, cyanobacteria are not that simple.
Look earlier than that!
@@ZeitgeistGaming69 If there is no Creator of life forms then show me some hard evidence that a living cell can be created from non life to support your naturalism beliefs.
Dawkin used intelligence to write his books. Everything else came by accidental chance.
If I was a creator of a universe, I would want all my creatures to be able to create their own universes, and not have to re-lie on me for anything.
Absent parent !.....that's outrageous...😉
We might acquire that ability in the future, when we grow enough in love and truth.
@@kristijanpavlovic8605 As we are born selfish [survival of the fittest] I suggest that those words love and truth are simply words for dreamers.
Those in religion are determined to believe that a god exists that views them "personally" as the great achievers, and others as the dumbed-down losers. lol
Egoism is such human's claim to fame.
@@junevandermark952 We are not born selfish, we are taught to become selfish, mostly through our life experience with our environment or our parents. We learn that most of our real needs will not be met, particularly the need to be loved in a true sense so we become self-reliant and simply live to gratify ourselves. This all could be different as our nature has a loving potential. There is nothing dreamy about it, it is a fact of life and if we observe children, particularly the young ones, they are generally more loving than adults.
I cannot speak for the religious people as I am not religious, but I can say that God does not divide people into great achievers and dumb down losers as you put it. God loves all of us equally and wants to have a relationship with us no matter who or where we are, or how intelligent or good or evil we are.
I agree that humans are mostly egotistic.
@@kristijanpavlovic8605 Religion teaches that we are born in sin, and that translates as being born selfish, according even to the creator of the universe ... don't you agree?
As much as I respect him and all of his opinions I’ve heard, I kinda feel he wasn’t at his best here. If his point is “if it’s true than it’s disappointing”... so what...? What contribution does that add to the truth? I think a more suitable response would’ve been “I like to believe it’s not true but I’m not sure” rather than “it’s not true because it’s disappointing”
@FiniteAutomaton I think you're mixing different concepts here. I first I have to say - yes, there's no evidence of the existence of a God but like everything else in science, there's no 100% certainty there isn't. Second, by saying "the processes we're actually interested in" I believe you're referring to scientificly explanations of all phenomena in the Universe, but that's a completely different issue from the existence of a God. "God" might've created the laws of phisics you're talking about and then you'll be tryin to unckrack "his" work. But by saying "there can't be one because that's undermining our (scientists) work" it's not a Dawkins argument.
@FiniteAutomaton I appreciate the humour, had a good laugh. I don’t think I missed your point, since the point was mine in the first place. I’m a deist, so I don’t care for gods with intentions. What is on the board here is the misconception from Richard by mixing the scientific endeavour on discovering the secrets of the universe with the existence of a God, since both can coexist. I simply don’t agree with his argument that “there can’t be a god because that’s undermining our work”. This is not an argument, sorry. Not only it’s not true but it also could reinforce the argument “there must be a God because the universe is too much complex”. Assigning wishes and displeasures don't have any influence to the truth.
@FiniteAutomaton you have good vocabulary but you’re the one missing his argument. Thanks for this moment though!
@FiniteAutomaton I’ll give you a second chance. In this video (I repeat, this) he doesn’t talk about evidence or lack of it. He uses reasons like “that’s undermining our work” (nothing to do with evidence); “then he must be damn clever” (again, where’s he talking about evidence?). So I’ll just conclude before you probably repeat yourself, that I think he’s probably right be refuting the existence of a God, he’s just not doing a very good job on this video.
it is always so that there is a boss, not none nor several.
you take a shop, there is a boss,
every shop has a boss
you take a city, there is a boss (called mayor)
every city has a boss
you take a flock of birds, there is a boss
every flock has a boss
you take a country, there is a boss,
every country has a boss
and so on...
it is always so,
there is a boss, not none nor several,
there is no exception
so, now,
you take the universe, there is a boss
Your entire enterprise never existed without the probability of God. And yes! The word "clever" is woefully inadequate to even begin to describe an omniscient,omnipotent, eternal GOD.
Brian greene is my favourite guy
Does God "The perfect way exist?" Only for those who want.
Brother asked a very good question
😁😁😁😁😁 Laughed so hard on this ......
Oh crap I got the reference
Hope that answered the question lol
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Tieodicy: the theological question of how a God assumed to be almighty and good could allow that thing around Dawkins' neck to happen.
Ha! I love that tie.
GOD CALLS THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NOT AS THOUGH THEY WERE.
Is that in scriptures????
The biggest lie the devil tells all the time is that he matters, when he does not.
@Jonah Wesley I was just reading the book of proverbs today while in the bus stop, and then I began to wonder what the meaning of the incident involving Ananias and Sapphira was, and how I felt about Peter punishing them. I thought if Peter himself had led a perfect life, then he could have perhaps judged Ananias and Sapphira that way but for being christened a rock by none other than Jesus himself he had certainly stumbled in his own walk with christ. My feeling or point(meaning) is there are times in the lives of all people, the believers and the unbelievers, the faithful and the faithless, the wary and the unwary, the way full and the wayward when they have their moments of pain, doubt and disbelief , experience anxiety and anguish, suffer loss and grief, seem to come under a perpetual cloud that does not lift, a rainy day, or what has been described by none other than modern day spokes persons for christ called evangelists as a "Dark night of the soul", not to mention danger always lurks in the dark, but I feel the true god like nature , if not just the plain old right thing to do when someone else is going through troubling times and hardship and feeling if not also being vulnerable and weak is to be their staff and to be their shield, and to be their comfort and to be their strength. For being raised by Pharoh , perhaps Moses could never deny his Jewish roots or come to terms with the fact that deep down he was never really an Egyptian but always really only a Jew and when he slays the Egyptian military man, god uses this opportunity to speak to him through the voice of his own people who Moses notices were fighting among themselves and he intervenes, reprimands them and reminds them of their true identity, that for being god's chosen people they should know better than to act like that, and sure enough their reply leaves him speechless, causing him to flee into the desert where he discovers he is transformed into a real shepherd and none other than god himself becomes his staff, and his mantle or cloak which you may consider as a shield, and even his voice to speak to Pharoh and to shepherd his people out of captivity, enslavement and bondage into liberty, freedom and the land of promise, but strangely enough by some strange and curious turn of events or by some quirk of fate, he loses his patience and his temper on the jews again, a rather recurring pattern in his behavior , when he sees they have stopped believing in the one true god in favor of a golden calf, and he is furious at them.
Greene`s intro argumentations are absolutely top!
I think the problem with the so-called God is most think of "Him" as being a "Being" and having a personality and human behaviour characteristics. Wouldn't it be why both parties disagree on "His" existence?
Exactly.
The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans. No way that any god could be possible to exist. If really, a deity created ALL, it must be damn clever, not even closer to humans, but.... we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.
@@VeronicaGorositoMusic replace "respect" with "pity" and i'm with you 100% 👍
@@FlockOfHawks No, such a word is not adecuate for what I expressed.
@@VeronicaGorositoMusic okay , then we agree 99% ☺
@@VeronicaGorositoMusic actually us muslims believe in the exact same god u r talkin about. A divine thing/being which is nothing like humans. A being of form which human brains cannot comprehend. It is more of like a huge light for me. One omnipotent God.
Is the moon really there when no one is looking at it? Duh
question: how can the original program date be after the date you published this?
@Nihal H yes we all know greene is from the future.
*Insert hulk time travel meme *
Just love listening to scholars spitting out their intellect.
Basically he is saying if you put God in the equation then he is of less importance. So sad
Exactly. He's essentially saying "if I can't explain it without God, its pointless to even try to describe it because then I can't take credit for it". Meanwhile he's presupposing that humans have some sort of value based on their ability to "explain how you get to something complicated enough to do design". But if we're just a bunch of random chemical reactions, then he has no justification to even make that claim, and let alone "believe" in it. He is putting his faith somewhere (in a deified "Science"), whether he wants to admit it or not.
@1:07, Green's shot out to Pascal's Wager made me chuckle as well.
They call it Pascal's Wager but it's unlikely that Pascal invented it.
Two of my favorite human beings. I also remember Hitch another fave, dead now, poor guy, although he's not aware of it
I agree guys, his tie is awesome
As Professor John Lennox says whenever I ask these atheists how you came into existence, they say ''mindless unguided process...''
It astonishes me that these so called rationalists could make such an unrational statement...
And yet they demand to be treated as persons. Note: there is not hard, objective, empirical evidence for Personhood. It's entirely subjective and anecdotal.
What makes it unrational (irrational)? I understand what they mean and it is perfectly rational if you posses enough knowledge about nature.
@con.troller
The poster is either a troll or just another poor mind unable to accept the unimportance of humanity on a big scale.
Considering he is quoting a proponent of intelligent design with an emphasis on "Professor", it is probably the latter.
He can believe it if it makes him feel important or special. He probably needs that.
Whether God exist or not there will always be consequences for your actions.
I am going to have to disagree with you there. The universe is indifferent to human suffering. Thousands of children die everyday from malnutrition. How would you explain two children walking off a school bus, crossing the street, and getting mowed down by an automobile? How do you explain that to the parents? How would you explain that two-thirds of crime worldwide goes unsolved? How would you explain members of organized crime who live their entire lives in luxury and never get caught? You simply cannot explain any of this in a reasonable way.
All you can do is illustrate a certain level of brainwashing or intellectual dishonesty.
There is something called existential evil: when terrible things happen to people for no reason at all. People can't understand why innocent children die or are killed by Automobiles. They simply can't deal with it. They are adamant, they need explanations. They want to "understand" the world around them, so they make things up as they go along.
@@briant355 If you wasen't a human you would realize that everything happens for a reason.
Thats why wise people always say there are always better days ahead.
@@BryerTheKing1 that is a bunch of BS! Fatalism and the dead philosophy of natural law, and the word "karma", what a joke, are used by uneducated people.
@@briant355 Says a human your race loves being evil and deceiving its one fo your races favourite habbits so it's no surprise your ideology is so moronic.
@@BryerTheKing1 You literally didnt respond to any of what he said, just citing the same thing with no content to it in a new phrase.
Richard Dawkins...:God would have to be damned clever".... Mmmmm. Genius, Richard. We'd NEVER have figured that out...
Spot on
Absolutely! If you believe that God created everything then you have to accept that God is a mere googleplex times more intelligent and wiser than the smartest human being that has ever existed!!
@@DivinaeMisericordiae77 Why? Evolution isnt intelligent and yet it created all of us.
We fell here from Heaven to suffer for our sins. That is the reason God created this horrible place, so we still have a chance not to go to Hell. So now you know that suffering is good because it is the only way that we can redeem our sins...............Falun Dafa explains everything.
"Self-esteem is the consequence, expression and reward of a mind fully committed to reason ."
-Nathaniel Branden-
Hi sir read bhagwat gita given by God 5000yrs ago.reqd once completely God discussed every thing in this book.
If there is a god, his existence is beyond the grasp, thought and comprehension of men or science (as of yet) Otherwise he wont be god, but a natural phenomenon bound by laws of nature/physics.
Well that's just you putting your own self convincing explanation of " how a god should be " on god !
Then try to picture out 'infinite'.
The same could be said about that invisible dragon in my garage.
God has attributes that are easy to comprehend even by kids
Yes. That's true.
So from what Dawkins conceeded...God is possible - he /she/it/they just needs to be very clever (or exist outside of the confines of time so he/she/it/they can see what the outcome of any choice before it's chosen).
The point that Dawkins repeats about an idea/concept "upsetting your enterprise," was a tad egotistical.
The problem is that the 3000+ gods conceived by humans are TOO similar to humans.
No way that any god could be possible to exist.
If really, a deity created ALL, it must be gdamn clever, not even closer to humans, but....
we all know that ''gods'' are too similar to the average human that it's impossible to think about it without having a laugh...with respect, of course.
Brilliantly explained by both
I highly recommend checking out Stephen Meyer. He's a well educated and spoken lecturer who presents some brilliant arguments for intelligent design while leaving religion out of it. James Tour has also been known to take the same approach at times, and he's a world class bio-chemist and nano-technologist.
If you believe in God, why ask questions about God to a man who do not believe in God?
To be honest, as knowledgeable as he is in evolutionary theory, Dawkins' understanding of theism is clearly lacking, as he demonstrates in this answer. He didn't actually make a legitimate point.
Yes, but of course he isn't a serious philosopher in any sense.
@@late8641 Nor does he claim to be, the God Delusion is just his perspective. Have you read it?
@@pinball1970 Exactly. I ought to get it for birthday present, but I got The Origin of Species instead. Can't complain though.
@@late8641 I would read the Selfish Gene 1976 and The Blind Watchmaker 1986 too. Great stuff.
Some answers bear more responsibility then merely sating the curiosity.
'I' believed in God when I really needed a Superhero to save me. Oh God. Please make the bad situation go away.
that how all christians look at god not just atheist or should i say everybody
This world is solely the enjoyment of delusion, these fancy cars and houses does not benefit us in any way. When life gives us things we are happy but when life takes things away from us we automatically become sad. We love this world but this world does not love us back.
In fact, we would give this world everything we have and this world would give us nothing in return, there will be no true happiness for you on earth, always that feeling in your soul, the missing element that you truly try to find. In fact happiness is not how much you have, rather it is how much we can live without!
Nothing would satisfy the hunger of man in this quest for this world, except the dirt (the grave), meaning that when we enter our grave only then would we be truly satisfied. If you had a value of Gold, guess what, you would wish that you had another one. This is the reality of this world, a world where true contemptness does not exist.
I dont write much on RUclips, except that you would be deserved the truth!
Probably would have been more effective had he discussed mankind in it's recognizable form having been indisputably on Earth for a hundred thousand years or so. Evidently God completely ignored man for ninety-seven thousand years or so. Popping round only in the last three thousand.
Point? Evolution was for a long time not conscious enough receiving God and writing it down and pass on.
@@michielzoelman1380
No, no! His point was that there is no God.
If there is one, he/she doesn't give a shit about your son's marriage next week.
Man created god.
Juho Mäntynen : Did man create dna? I ask because "God eternal within the body" is literally encoded/written into the top layer of the dna of every living creature on earth.
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@@ATinyPillow Do you have ANY proof of that or is that another claim to add to the large pile of unfound claims.
.. there is no good reason to believe in Moses Jealous God...
Why not?
Who, god?
One thing scientist seem to ignore is, if there is a God, He wishes to remain hidden. I look at science as simply answers to man's questions and maybe only for answers sake.
Indiana Joe, that's a great argument, so true
@@GGTBOTD Well there is an invisible dragon in the sky who wishes to remain hidden as well! Aliens, Superman, Spiderman, Tooth Fairy, Santa - all want to remain hidden as well
@@alanantony3842 We think We are ALL God's children - No parent would set apart his own children this way
What you are doing is reducing God down to a Master & yourself down to a slave
That is what this religion has done to you, reduced you from a Child of God down to a slave serving religion
What a fall! God weeps when he sees what this religion has done to you and all it had to do was offer a cheap promise of an eternal life of pleasure, which they know can never be verified
We don't do this God is a Putin who wants your vote & support, join his religion, he will be happy and GIVE you eternal pleasures of the flesh
There is more to life than just pleasures of the flesh, living like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders shamelessly sponging off rich Sugar Daddies & living the good life, uncaring about what happens in this world or your loved ones
We remain TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD, we not his slaves groveling for mercy, begging for a bone and a ticket out of here to magic land of pleasures of the flesh
Our place is here on earth. The Earth is our Home
Truly curious here, does that not beg the question then if he wishes to remain hidden then can he truly punish those who do not believe?
@@TubbyBrewster11 Come on, it's just a cheap religion using threats to force conversions
Why do we blindly believe these things?
And we get angry at the likes of Putin who torture and kill those who don't believe and support them, but yet fail to call out the same just because they label him God?
Such ideas are pure evil
Basically it says who we are as people does not matter, what we did in life does not matter
That was the same hate that the Jews faced, blacks face
Who these people were did not matter to the Nazis, to the Racists
This religion is basically saying their "God" is no better than a Putin, a Hitler, a disgusting Racist
CALL THEM OUT! STOP BEING SO GULLIBLE!
Just do the very best you can towards the human race and respect and look after your earth surely that is all we can do. Forget any theories or religion s. If we spent more time doing the deed then wondering ..the world would be a kinder and better place.
Then the obvious question would be WHY?
Why should people do their best towards humanity when most people wouldn't even bother to do the same why shouldn't you cheat people or overwork them while underpaying them ( like Amazon) when it benefits you , when you can live like a king.
Not all people are good not all people have a good upbringing .
Dawkins doesnt explain these things exist because in the beginning everything began with gods plan, that everything has a start a lifespan and a death.
Richard's answer only states the obvious. Why couldn't he have simply answered: "I don't know", like everyone else?
I wish I could like your comment 10 times. Dawkins overrates his own intelligence and men who do are generally like that. We can't even fully grasp the concept of "energy" or "consciousness" and someone is expecting that we should be able to grasp the concept of "God" that sustains these things. smh. Sometimes it's best to just humble ourselves and realise that we really know nothing
@@derrekdevon2366 what a crock of shit statement
You're a simple minded fool huh?
@@bigballsbilly8210 what makes me a simple minded fool? My ability to say "I don't know"?
@@derrekdevon2366 Dawkins is an Oxford University Don. If anything, he underrates his own intelligence.
@@attackpatterndelta8949 Being a professor at Oxford doesn't make a man wise. You can be a 100 years old and still be a fool. Wisdom comes with understanding that you know nothing and that you can boast about absolutely nothing
No, Dawkins is awesome.
The only reason I find scientific talks like this stimulating is because there is optimism, above all open mindedness and willingness to consider a possibility and maybe even to test it out and to try it out but once having seen it for what it really is, if found to be wrong to have the humility to change one's mind and to change one's opinion and above all to change one's ways and to change one's attitude to that possibility there and then, and to discourage and to dissuade people from going in that direction and if found to be right to encourage and to persuade and if necessary even plead with people to go in that direction, both of which is being in the character and in the nature of one who believes in and one who is endowed with the power of critical thinking and is critical minded with a scientific mindset and a scientific temperament which constitutes the foundation and the backbone of a scientific framework. But when Dawkins means that prodigious complexity can emerge even from great simplicity it gives me hope since it means neither is nothing ever really nothing nor is everything ever really everything, the latter meaning there is no limit to the possibility of growth and of self-improvement , self-betterment which is what infuses me with hope. I am not and I do not claim to be Mr. know-it-all and I do not want to be Mr. know-it-all. But my attitude is, neither is what I know really nothing, nor is what I know really everything, and neither is what I do not know, which BTW always exceeds what I do know, really nothing, nor is what I do not know really everything. There is so precious little we know about anything much more so anybody, even ourselves to begin with, yet we are certainly hot-headed all the time. If I made the audacious claim that I know you, I know all there is to know about you, your past, your present and your future, just out of sheer courtesy and out of a sense of civility and modesty you may condescend and stoop to agree with me and maybe even nod your head in acknowledgement, but on the inside you will defiantly hold and maintain and rightly so that I know absolutely nothing about you, and will be happy to dismiss me and to think of me as nothing more than an arrogant and a presumptuous fool/idiot.
then do you know how to deal with the ignorant -> someone that will against it?|
can you bring anything to make them realize - at least you have a strong argument toward it?|}
you know when they said -> they believe!!]
from my angle | do not believe something unless
you can evidentially establish it for everything
if they tell you they believe | but it's subjective -
that's why you use evidence and prove them
--> their standard should not be used
Watch from 1:20 onwards to the end to see Dawkins admit his selfish bias.
The man's career depends upon him upholding the lie that is evolution as taught.
The best thing is that science is based on fact
Love that closure
@@seasonedbeefs fact about what?
it's only a THEORY!! | someday it would CHANGE!
@@seasonedbeefs Or so they told you. 🙄
It’s insane that we live in a world where logic and reason are viewed as ridiculous, whereas fantasy and fairy tales are considered absolutely true. Sad. And it will continue for at least a few more hundred years.
You never gave what you believe is true. Why are you so afraid to mention that?
@@2fast2block i dont “believe” anything that isn’t based on reality. Belief= accepting something as fact without any evidence for it. I do not believe in anything.
My favorite thing about Dawkins, entertainment value wise, is when he is presented with bogus arguments or word salad from pseudo-intellectuals and is absolutely flabbergasted like he never knew how stupid humans can be! Lol! Seeing his jaw drop gives me a "first time!?" Vibe lol
Yep, I'm a very open minded person, bet I went to a mediation group and all was well then the instructor said they are friends with Deepak Chopra... (red flag) ...week later all this sudo crap started coming out... I walked 🤣
Richard is my favorite modern philosopher.
I'm brasilians I don't know if God exists so I'm agnostic .
Honesty is a good start. When one quits seeking God, one has no chance of finding God, I said that. I sought God for 35 years and He came to me and gave me His Divine Blessing..................Falun Dafa
It also stimulates the question ad absurdium that if God created everything who / what created god. If the answer is god is eternal then why not miss out the middle bit and just have the universe as eternal.
I'm not sure what you are saying or implying but I'll take a crack ..
Asking who created God is way more intelligent than asking how everything came from nothing, but it's also fallacious and redundant at the same time. Anyone who believes Dawkins and Krause, should use their god granted will along with intelligence to learn why and how such of their claims are deceptive bs
@@crazyeyedme4685 Happy to clarify. Gods are made by men not the other way round. They are myths, legends, fantasy creatures, figments of human imagination used to gain power and control over the uneducated, gullible and delusional.
Okay but that's clearly an assertion / postulation..
@@billgreen576 I understand deception far better than most. I don't care for it.
There's something greater going on with religion than simple psychological manipulation and control...
@@billgreen576 are you sure that all the compartmentalized sciences are true?
For example...
Do you believe that you exist via the big band of an infinitesimally small infintesimally dense singularity? Do you believe that you evolved from a rock and some thermodynamic action?
I believe in God for such awesome proof as Richard Dawkins among us . I do admire him so much. Life is beautiful with such great people in our planet.
Damn that blazing fire was very cold man
So you're saying God created Richard Dawkins in order to dis-prove his own existence? M'Kay....
Christians really can’t contradict themselves even more huh
Dawkins' ties evolved from nothing to absolutely something.
lol don't be harsh. the man has to sell his books.
Egunleti Damilola . It's obvious that his tie is a fractal, binary self-replicating algorithmic! Same as mature is ....
He's a wonderful speaker and his tie loves him. G'day FROM AUSTRALIA COBBER.
it is always so that there is a boss, not none nor several.
you take a shop, there is a boss,
every shop has a boss
you take a city, there is a boss (called mayor)
every city has a boss
you take a flock of birds, there is a boss
every flock has a boss
you take a country, there is a boss,
every country has a boss
and so on...
it is always so,
there is a boss, not none nor several,
there is no exception
so, now,
you take the universe, there is a boss
This was a very weak argument against God. He basically said that there can’t be a God because if there’s a God then my work as a scientist loses its luster.
Yeah, I can agree with that, this sort of argument seems a bit selfish. But at the same time, I think this idea that a creator is supposed to be immune to "origin" question while a Universe (or Multiverse) isn't, seems kind of dishonest. Personally I think the idea that some kind of creator, a "programmer" if you will, input the parameters for laws of physics, all the constants etc. (even if it's random and been done many many times in other Universes) and pressed "start" (big bang) is interesting, but ultimately I think it just comes down to our inability to comprehend true "nothingness" so we need some sort of impetus at the start of it all to feel at ease. But the same way a God can be eternal, why couldn't a Universe (or Multiverse) be eternal as well? Maybe ultimately it is just how it works and always has.
Regardless, even if one does believe in this sort of deistic idea of a God, it is MILES different than believing what most people on Earth believe with current world religions. Believing that this creator knows about us, cares for us and wants us to do something is significantly bigger claim and when scrutinized by rational logical people it just doesn't hold up.
Modestas Malakauskas I don’t think that not knowing where the Creator came from is dishonest. We have so much evidence of design so the conclusion is there must be a designer. We don’t have any idea how the creator came to be bc there’s nothing we can use to determine that. Similar to if we saw “HELP” spelled out on a remote island. If we landed on the island and couldn’t find the person who spelled it out, would we way “oh I guess it was just chance after all.” Of course not! We have no idea where that person went or who he was but we know for certain that someone spelled out that word.
@@davidhodge8509
"I don’t think that not knowing where the Creator came from is dishonest."
Well, most religious people will say "it doesn't demand an answer, God was always there". If you say "I don't know", then that's fair because science may never be able to fully explain how "something" started at the very base level. So we have to be comfortable with saying "we don't know".
"Similar to if we saw “HELP” spelled out on a remote island."
I don't think it's similar at all. We KNOW that beach sand doesn't randomly rearrange itself into something that resembles a word. Ever. So yes, it does require a "designer". But what we interpret as "complexity" is very subjective. For a long time we couldn't comprehend how lightning strikes worked, therefore "it must have come from some divine source".
"We have so much evidence of design so the conclusion is there must be a designer."
For example? We understand how stars formed, how evolution happened, as complex as it may seem it doesn't require a designer at all. And once again, history shows us that we have a very clear tendency to attribute anything "complex" to some sort of divinity/creator. It happened many many times throughout our recorded history. I mean, if you lived during Ancient Greece, you would have to attribute lightning as "clear proof" that some kind of "higher power" is in effect, right? Eventually this mystique was shattered. Yes, at some point this complexity may once again reach the point where it may seem "unfathomable" to just happen naturally to many people (big bang, for example), but it's not exactly evidence, it's just our interpretation of it.
Absolutely correct.
@@davidhodge8509 There is zero evidence of design if you understand anything of physics or Biology
When I am homeless in the wet and cold, and when my life seems more then I can hold, where can I turn to ease my plight, I’m freezing still, no hope in sight, yet still there’s evolution…..all that’s left for me…
Why would you ask Dawkins. He know less than you do.
They work in different areas.
Dawkins Continuing to Explain Evolutionary Aspects of Life, Very Very Tough Task.
Tough Task because Time Helps His Theories and Time Greatly Hinders.
If We could Just Keep Dawkins on The Life Form Known as Human we would Easily See His Conundrum.
Part of that Conundrum is His Own Ancestry. For Example :- At What Point in Time can Richard Prove His Ancestors were a Different Animal. ( Emphasis on Prove ).
You have just made it clear, that you don’t understand evolution. At all.
It is graduate changes over time - 1000’s of years - i populations.
And WE name the fossils.
Education- please.
@@erikhviid3189 EH, Significant Number of Examples on No Change "over time - 1000's of years".
Example :-
The Land Lizards can Still Swim.
Yet many of these have been Living a Land Lifestyle for Millions of Years. They have No Need to Swim but They Still can Swim!.
Same for the Lizards Living in Water. They can Still Walk, Millions of Years!.
Then there is the Plants.
Also, Where are the Fossils of Humans?.
Erik You Need More Education.
2:00 - 2:30 first time Richard Dawkins ever made me laugh.. lol
Arcane Turbulence What
U must be dumb. He makes me laugh in nearly every vid I’ve seen him in.
Can you explain the joke please, I didn't get it.
Ron Hawk Bad Humor = Intellect? Hmmm
BibleVisual the Bible is for stupid people. Congrats tho
I was raised a Christian as a child, but as a grown man, I really like Dawkins and his lectures. I find him interesting
Can you prove that you can create or assemble or Organize something without using your brain and Mind? Just use your power. Prove it please :)
Humans can't but nature clearly can. Yours is the false equivalency logical fallacy.
Just because we put God behind, doesn't mean you should stop exploring scientific way. That's my point
I love his tie! :) :)
Religion is a modern day form of Greek mythology
So Dawkins admitted that if there is a creator that it undermines his entire career as a scientist ... wouldn't that be the very reason to push for the absence of a God in order to "keep your job"?
No...
@@stonecoldfloors8200 you just saying no bro what is wrong with you
there is a question about god that can make anyone struggle and it is that where has god come from?how old is god?
these are mind blowing questions which i had asked religion teacher few years and his answer was that we are not enough intelligent to understand this.
Arabic:
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ ١
اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ ٢
لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ ٣
وَلَمْ يَكُن لَّهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ ٤
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
@@ImSeekingKnowledge and a pedophile told you that ?
An author is outside or beyond a book. A painter outside or beyond the painting. A creator is outside or beyond creation. God is outside or beyond the universe.
That's illogical questuon, as He created space and time, He's outside of it, eternal and everlasring...
@@jasonmarcus8814 that doesn't make sense this kind of reasoning for proving god is completely outdated and wrong
I'm not sure that Dawkins foresaw what was about to descend on his head until Brian Greene asked him......." What do you think of that view....".
For someone who doesn’t believe in God, Dawkins sure hates Him a lot.
Sad, but true. His writings display a hateful approach to religion.
We don´t have to scrap science results to take a creator into the equation. For all we know, science is unveiling the intelligence of a creator. If science one day finds out such a thing, all of out science would not have been wasted. Not at all. Interesting times for sure.
You're much too nice a guy for even these vicious atheists to pounce all over you.
that was the exact motivation of early scientists like Newton.
Well the creator would likely be super smart, hs wouldn't be someone who flunked school right? Lol but it would be funny to see a Universe made by a shitty God and all of his sentient creations know how shitty he is.
but believing in a creator is a complete waste of time.
The only evidence we have for a creator in our world is the bible, which is supposedly, the inerrant word of an almighty all knowing god.
That bible is the best evidence that no god does not exists because it is full of mistakes.
I find it exceptionally hard to comprehend how such a ridiculously delicate balance, that gave rise to a planet that hosts an extraordinary variety and number of species on Earth including the unimaginably intelligent home sapiens, could arise just “by mere chance”.
Believing in God is more rational than believing that we are a product of a statistically impossible set of circumstances
"Believing in God is more rational than believing that we are a product of a statistically impossible set of circumstances"
You claim it is hard to comprehend everything existing 'by mere chance' (paraphrasing). However God existing by mere chance is something you will accept.... think about it.
If you accept that God always has been then life could also have always been.
The thing is your claim to 'mere chance', is only one idea out there, no one states it as fact.
@@ThyBountyHunter God Exists independent from material needs.
He is also independent from time as that is also one of God's Creations.
God is not a slave to any of this.
Lifeforms around the world (or Universe) couldn't always have been there as you claimed as that would mean each independent lifeform would be its own independent God.....which in case you needed it pointed out to you is just a ludicrous idea.
Haahaa! You think magic is real and probability is fake?!?!
Wow!
@@hammalammadingdong6244 Who said that?
The deepest question will always be, what is the space-time singularity, or the source of the Big Bang? This is where physics breaks down, but until we can answer that question and deal with "The Infinite" side of nature we will always be stumbling in the dark. We are submerged in a medium we cannot see beyond that is somewhere between an infinite positive (The Infinite) relative to an infinite negative (absolute nothingness). I would argue that the Universe seems to be the balance between these two ultimate polar opposites. There has to be an "in-between" of some kind, so why not the medium of spacetime and its finely tuned laws? As a preeminent Infinite Source it certainly has the potential to create like God - whether you want to call this ultimate source God or not, I think it needs to be explained before we can dismiss or deny what caused the First Cause.
Blah, blah, blah. Watch the video again and pay attention to the end. Assuming whatever you think you mean by first cause makes any sense at all, it’s just more physics. So what?
FIRST CAUSE . In trying to condense your words, I think it amounts to inserting the possibility of a God to fill the scientific gaps. We don't have the answer for everything, so let's stick a God in there.
buzz magister . "First cause" has a problem trying to convert me with arguments about big bang and evolution etc. he will be annoyed to find out that I know very little about Evolution, and I don't care if its right or wrong. How I got here is of no interest to me, the fact is that I am here, and I don't believe I was put in by any supernatural force.
buzz magister . Yes I get so annoyed with that kind of nonsense. I usually prefer to short-circuit that stuff. If someone starts arguing about origin, I say never mind about that, let's concentrate on the Bible. Are you telling me that an omnipotent flawless, "loving" creator could exist when calling for parents to sell their daughters to slavery, stoning disobedient children to death, smashing babies heads against rocks etc?
Stuff the big bang theory, it's that bible that ends any question for me.
buzz magister . Yes, The authenticity of the Bible is interesting. I was reading about people in the middle ages. Evidently they thought that Demons resided in brussels sprouts, and they took caterpillars to court for eating plants. Intelligence like that makes me wonder what brainpower was around at least 1500 years before that. I guess gods for thunder and lightning sheds some light on my dilemma.
Did you ever notice, that these celebrity atheists, who say they don't believe in God, spend most of their time talking about God. It's like their on a perpetual Freudian slip!
They're still trying convince themselves.
So what has he said that makes meaningful sense? He just went on in a directionless and circumlocutory manner to explain his refutation for God's existence without clarity!