In summary, Shaykh Noorud Deen made a video about Abu Yazid al Bistami (rahimahullah) wherein he said that Abu Yazid insulted the Messenger of Allah ﷺ (accusing him of kufr). The statement discussed was “my banner is greater than the banner of Muhammad”. In response to this video, the young 17 year old boy Hassan read the full passage from the source tadhkiratul awliya and gave the full citation. Whilst Hassan was clearly quoting the text, Shaykh Noorud Deen misunderstood Hassan to be saying that “Allah spoke through Abu Yazid”, which was a quote from the text and Hassan was NOT defending the statement. Rather, he explained the reason this statement was made, in a spiritual state of awe (الدهشة), for which he would not be accountable as Abu Yazid HIMSELF then said it was kufr, asking to be killed if he repeated it again, which shows he does not believe it. Hassan explained the full context in his video which Shaykh Noorud Deen omitted. In the meeting, Shaykh Asrar brought forwards the urdu text used as the original source, which is a translation of the farsi text; however, Shaykh Noorud Deen clearly said he does not care. He is not interested in correcting his knowledge or understanding of the situation. Rather, from this video, it can be seen that he wants to attack the 17 year old boy for reading the full citation that he missed out. He needs to apologise and humbly accept this mistake. Abu Yazid is a great wali (saint) of Allah and Allah promises to wage war against those who attack them, let alone accuse them of kufr
@Bilal-op6rt got nothing to do with backing people, just to inform I don't agree with everything sheikh asrar rashid says, but these differences a miniscule; such as basic debates one has with family over attendance of family events
@@Nafisalhanafi When Nur knew that the likes of Imam Dhahabi have stated the following about such statements attributed to Imam Bistami: أنه قالها في حال الدهشة والسكر والغيبة والمحو ، فيطوى ولا يحتج بها إذ ظاهرها إلحاد سير أعلام النبلاء الذهبي - شمس الدين محمد بن أحمد بن عثمان الذهبي ١٣/٨٦
Nooruddin's unwillingness to read the quotation in its original form exposed his ignorance and insecurity. Even after being insisted to read the complete passage Nooruddin brushed it off claiming it being a "tangent". 1. Either Nooruddin is unaware of what's quoted in original text and reading it would have exposed his ignorance. 2. Or Nooruddin is aware of what's quoted in the original text and reading it would have exposed his game. This guy is unreasonable.
Nur ud deen accuses a young man of Kufr yet after being proven incorrect he doesn't have the guts to apologise? What arrogance 😂😂... ontop of that he runs away
"Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder." Rumi In the heart of every person is a mirror; the way you speak and act reflects not only on others but on your own soul as well. When a word of rebuke or accusation is spoken hastily, it clouds the mirror of the heart. If you are shown a mistake in what you’ve said or done, let humility polish that mirror. Apologise with sincerity, for true strength lies not in defending one’s pride, but in recognising when to bow to truth and wisdom. Approach each soul as if they are part of the Beloved, deserving of respect and kindness. In this way, peace and clarity are restored, and the heart remains unblemished.
The entire thing was simply a misunderstanding, SND called the boy kufr however once the explanation was given that the boy was simply reading from a text, that should have been accepted by SND, what was upsetting from an Islamic standpoint is even after the clarification SND was still implying the young boy was lying. This was an easy fix, show respect and understanding and it could have been solved quickly. Everyone in that room defends the honour of the prophet pbuh, moral of this debate don’t throw the word kufr about so loosely and once corrected don’t let your ego get the better of you. Apologise like a man.
@ well I would say the same no matter whom ever was in the wrong. This is the problem so much division, one ummah one family. We can’t let shaytan win. Always stand for justice no matter what even ifs Against your own child if need be.
@ishyusuf4320 claiming its shirk to think of the Prophet sallAllahu alaihi wasallam in salah is no misunderstanding, especially when they add its better to think of a donkey nauzubillah. Allah can tell lies? Comparing the knowledge of the unseen bestowed upon the Prophet sallAllahu alaihi wasallam by Allah, to the knowledge children, animals and mad men have. This is what your deobandi elders have written. I've yet to see a deobandi accept these statements and comparisons are blasphemy. The deobandis act as if their elders are infallible
Shaykh Asrar and his team maintained decorum throughout. Nooruddin was altogether disingenuous. When a man is saying to your face: I believe it's kufr, then it's end of. Why try to score points and massage the ego by not accepting? People should learn adab ul ilm before entering public service.
What kind of discussion is this? This discussion is poorly maintained unfortunately. There is so much ego grand standing and point scoring. It's unfortunate in our times, it's cringe worthy to watch, I don't know who will stomach such a discussion and get a beneficial knowledge that will bring us closer to Allah.
He could have arranged to speak in private then after clarification, they could have both put out videos explaining the end result. If noorudeen was wrong, which looks like he was, she should have then removed his content and made a public apology video as a follow up. No, need for large numbers making a punk scene at a masjid too.
I have taken shahada at home but cannot read the holy quran but i recite allah hu zikr and lai illah illallah muhummadar rasool Allah zikr throughout the day , ya Allah save me from hell fire. Im also from the United Kingdom
The Deos’ elders have heinous statements against Sayyidina Rasulullah ﷺ, and some later ones defend these. The “statements of Barelvis” which are henious, aren’t even from Barelvis, but of earlier Sufis in books and are most likely fabricated etc. There rlly should be a balance from him in trying to get both groups to denounce statements. But for some reason, Shaykh Nooruddeen always comes after Barelvis. Idk if he has trauma w Barelvis, but it’s always as if he tries v hard to detach from them and complain abt them to make others happy. Idk if he does this to please certain ppl, and it comes across as somewhat an inferiority complex, and even coming after Hadra (which is strange given he has Syrian teachers) as if trying to water down Sunnis to groups like Salafis to make it seem more palatable. This is coming from someone who watches and respects both of these Ulama. It was also disappointing to see Shaykh Nooruddeen’s dismissiveness towards Shaykh Mubeen when showing fatawa of early Barelvis denouncing kufri statements. He should have been happy at learning this if his mission was denouncing statements and achieving unity. Instead for some weird reason it was “too late”. Pray that they can resolve this very soon. May Allah allow both parties’ love for him ﷺ to unite their hearts
I'm a huge supporter of you Shaykh but you handled this completely wrong. This is the way the Wahabis would gang up on the sunnis back in the day. This reminded me of that. Also the 17 year old kid looked very shaken and uncomfortable by this encounter. If you talk like an adult you will be treated as such. Not to mention the kid was very rude, all Adab went out of the window. The other brothers there were very aggressive too. Brother Noor Deen has earnt my respect by going down Alone courageously. I'm sure behind the scenes Shaykh Asrar will definitely have a word with the kid and tell him to concentrate on his studies. Sometimes being young with praise from elders can automatically give you some arrogance and pride. May Allah (swt) protect us All. Ameen But yh, not a good look this Shaykh.
Your right, I follow sheikh asrar rashid for a long time however I agree. The comments against noor al deen filled with insults are exactly how Wahabis act. They should have shame
Wow Nooruddin has no clue whatsoever, an arrogant man who can’t listen or apologise, he has an ego curtaining himself as the defender of the Prophet (saw).
I have no idea about N Rasheed or the young brother he is accusing. But I don't understand how this is so complicated. There was an insult (Yes, all agree), that insult is kufr (yes, all agree), N Rasheed says that I Hassan has committed kufr, I Hassan denies and clarifies it. But N Rasheed is still insistent upon it? Aren't we supposed to be making excuses for our brothers even if their wrongdoings are apparent, let alone if there is evidence to the contrary and if the accused themselves has denied it?
Noor ud Deen was “not interested” in relevant point the scholar or the child were bringing up. Is this what the liberalist “I’m just Sunni” mindset produces?
This noorudin says he doesnt mess around in defence of thr Prophet peace and blessings upon him, yet shaykh asrar has been debating Wahabis, deos,athiests , challenging the right wing and racists, everyone in defence of the Prophet peace and blessings upon him,.... what has this noorudin done ? Where has his defence and challenges been against those who insult the Prophet peace and blessings upon him ? And yet he sits there in such areogance claiming hes a big defender and yet has never had the guts to challenge the insulters.
Go sit in one gathering of the ahlul Hadith or listen to one speaker you’ll know how firmly there upon the sunnah with the understanding of the first 3 generations
@@MotorWorld-v8y i have sat in mamy, and unfortunately what iv seen from them is they take what suits them and leave what doesnt suit them from the salaf ( please dont ask for examples otherwise it will turn into a long thread ), this is my experience with them unfortunately, the moderate salafis and the extreme ones, the " following the 3 generations" sounds nice but iv found many times that when sometimes the salafs opinions go against even the likes of Albaani etc, they will reject the salaf and take Albani, using the excuse that albani is taking from the salaf so hes correct..... ( how that works i dont know)
I've watched a few of the 'sheikh asrar debates'. All of his debates have not gone anywhere. They lack basic etiquettes of a debate. It's literally like a gang of students with him who literally talk over each other. All I seen in this conversation or shouting match is one guy trying to speak and 10 other guys interrupting. Including the camera man with an iPhone 4. And what's makes it worse is sheikh asrar shouting over the guy and then has the cheek to ask him why are you getting angry.
That's because a good majority of his opponents lack the required skills for a debate. They've always been clowns. Barelvi vs deobandi sympathiser Anyone who knows urdu clearly knows which one is worse, and I'm not part of either!
Noor ud dil is acting like a Jaahil Mutlaq, The lil boy quoted a passage from book and Noor ud den is accusing him of kufr because he quoted, If this is applied the same logic will apply to all Barelwis who quote the balsphameous statemrnts of Wahabis and Deobandis, The fatwa will first apply on Imam Ahmed Raza Barelwi (ra)
Regardless of who is right or wrong in this debate, I have a great deal of respect for both Shaykh Asrar Rashid and Shaykh Noor-uddin Rashid, two highly respected scholars in the UK who have positively impacted the lives of many and earned the respect of our community. That being said, the bullying and gang-like tactics used against Shaykh Noor-uddin in this debate were disgraceful, especially considering his position and the honour he deserves as a scholar of our religion. Some of the young students involved clearly lacked basic adab. Everyone in this video is capable of making mistakes, but the way Shaykh Noor-uddin was treated was completely unacceptable. What stood out most was the undeniable love and loyalty Shaykh Noor-uddin Rashid has for the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, which was clear throughout the entire discussion. His sincerity and devotion to defending the honor of the Prophet ﷺ, no matter the pressure, is something we should all learn from.
This is a clear example of wanna be alims who come along on RUclips and create Fitna. May Allah guide us and connect us to the correct Noor of His Guidance ameen. May Allah عزوجل preserve our teachers the likes of Sh Asrar Rashid and Sh Mubeen Raza ameen Ya Rabb
beautiful how Shaykh Asrar Rashid stepped in for his student. his student seems more learned than noor ul deen himself. how can noor ul deen say he isn't interested in tangets if he is accusing someone of kufr. secondly, how are those points tangents? they all are strictly related with the discussion. accusation of kufr based on a translation of another translation is just wow
In brief for those who don't know ,a scholar had said something wrong in the state of unconscious (in such a situation any sin done is not counted according to Hadith) This scolar was then told what he said and this scholar had then said that he was unaware of this and that next time he says such a thing that he himself should executed. nooruddin quoted part of this scholars words and not the full which would explain the context of the situation and said that this was wrong(which is fine) The younger brother then states the ENTIRE passage so that he is informed as he didnt come accross the rest of the passage and this would put things into context of the actual situation. (in this brother Hassan didnt agree with the statement as he said he belives it to be kufr but he told the full statement so that people dont label the scholar as a blasphemer as the scholar didnt know he said this in the state of unconsciousness hence no rulling of kufr would be given. Based on hassan quoting the Entire passage - nooruddin then said by the young brother quoting this He has defended it. To which the young brother replied no he didnt, he beleives the statement to be wrong but even after clarifying, nooruddin then kept on saying because he quoted the entire passage he is somehow defending the statement and he is guilty. Nooruddin needs to be brushed up by his teachers sorry to say, even a layman can understand this.
It seems Nur ud Deen was personally offended as someone pointed out he did not quote properly as simple as that ego problems. Going to have a go at a 17 year old kid. If he does not know how quotes work he is hardly a Scholar. Ashame no one taught him adab or to make excuse for muslim brother or have good intent.
This was so unnecessary. If a supposed learned shaykh is going after a 17 yr old accusing him of blaspheming then that’s just disgusting. Had it been in a different country like back home in PAK then threats of killing could have been on that young boy. We’ve seen so many incidences where just the accusation of ghustaakh has lead to innocent lives being taken! Use your brains. May Allah swt guide us all. Ameen
I don’t know about that, I know people who are full hardcore salafi and they believe like 99% of Pakistanis are kaafir, yet they are still okay in jehlum
Why harass a young 17yr old child. The quote of "my flag is higher than the Prophet" was a misquote based on a translation. Nooruddin seems to have good intentions as he wants to defend the Prophet - thats perfect. However, the blasphemous comment was misinterpreted, but Nooruddin persists directly from his perception that Hasan said & believed the Flag is higher, then stereotypes to lesser extent Brelvi's believe this. Both parties love the Prophet, so people are there with good intentions to defend the Prophet SallallahuAlaihiWasalam
the Adab between the two shaykh’s is surprising. Yes Noor uddin claim has no basis and was based off misinformation. I understand that they must have been angry , I had hoped that Sh. Asrar would have shown more patience & dealt with this better.
@@husnainshahzad2165 “The strong person is not the one who can wrestle others, but the strong person is the one who controls themselves when they are angry.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)
I’m deeply disappointed with the way Shaykh Noorudeen has conducted himself. While he claims to be eradicating sectarianism, his actions over the past year or two seem to have done the opposite, fueling tensions between Barelvis and Deobandis. Instead of promoting unity, he’s stirred up unnecessary conflicts that create division. This issue should never have escalated, especially when it involves a 17-year-old merely quoting statements from a book and suggesting they may be problematic. This approach raises questions about Shaykh Noorudeen’s sincerity. If he were truly committed to da’wah, he would have acknowledged the young person’s point and worked to defuse the situation. Whenever he faced a valid argument or question he couldn’t answer, he dismissed it as a tangent. He couldn’t reference the original works and didn’t even provide the name of the book containing the original quote when asked. This is nothing short of divisive behavior, fueling fitna and sectarianism.
Bottomline, guys who trim their moustaches are closer to truth & sunnah than a guy who shaves it.. 😅 Advise - Nooruddin must stop shaving his moustache, and instead trim it.
@@maalikserebryakov😂😂almost 70percent ummah is zindiq according to you😂😂even Sultan Ayubi and Sultan Mahmud Fateh who was praised by prophet صلی الله علیه وسلم
I have huge respect for both Sheikh Asrar Rashid and Sheikh Nooruddeen Rasheed. And remember Muslims massive scholars in the past said insane things to one another but we forgive them, love them and take knowledge from them. So when I see scholars of Islam in modern times debating and sometimes even getting harsh, alhamdulillah I brush it off because this is just a heated debate 🤷🏾♂️. Edit: btw I believe this is a whole misunderstanding
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debating for the sake of denating moor uddin is DESTOYED yet he wont admit it, an apology from him would have shown him in a strength of character but rather he just wants to argue for the sake of it
Shaykh it wasnt needed to upload this video. Because there was so much yelling and so on. Yes the discussion is needed. Other thing is how the shaykh defend his student. The most teachers can learn about this.
It was needed, Shaykh Nooruddeen kept uploading videos without any response from brother Hasan or Shakyh Asrar making this discussion seem very one sided.
@@adilshah2841 no. There are 40 abdaal, who are amongst the highest ranks of the awliyah, they do not control any aspects of the earth or universe, that is under Allah's control alone.
The Qutubs are the 'axis' of the spiritual paths, the awliya of the highest rank of their time. The Abdaal are the 'noble ones' some of the highest ranking of the awliya of their time also.
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Nourudeen is an arrogant brother.. may Allah سُبْحَانَهُوَتَعَالَى guide this person.. he is demonstrating narcissist behaviour.. may Allah swa make guide him and make him understand
Yep Barelvis aka Sunnis from the early islam did ikhtlaf with eachother it's sunnah of sahaba you never gonna understand cuz I doubt that you are wahabi the Government worshiper
@@islamicreminders3090he was very ignorant every time it was said to him read the full citation of the book he was very ignorant and didn’t want to which shows his lack of ilm and when he said I put the translation in google translate 😂
A lot of you people are saying deobandis this and that im from luton and noorudeen has made it very clear he's not a deobandi nor is he a braevli, he doesn't agree with both of them, he's tried to reconcile with both or try to make content of unity but that fell apart when the braelvis of luton rejected him. So refrain from calling him a deobandi because he does not represent them.
If this is what sheikh is then I haven't been born yet. Nooruddin has no manners or respect or knowledge to correctly do the right thing for the good of islam. Instead over speaking avoiding written sentences. And nor being transparant. He is the sheikh of what? Not the sheikh we know of Islam. He has great pride of can not be wrong. Sign of a shaitaan works
He said it in the state of Sukur. Ahh... so that's the card these people dish out to whitewash every nonsensical statement uttered by the so-called Awliya?
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) assured us in a hadith that he did not fear his Ummah would fall into shirk after him, but rather that they would become engrossed in worldly competition: Arabic Text: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "إني والله ما أخاف عليكم أن تشركوا بعدي، ولكن أخاف عليكم أن تنافسوا فيها." Translation: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "By Allah, I do not fear for you that you will associate partners with Allah after me, but I fear for you that you will compete with one another for (the pleasures of) this world." - Sahih Muslim, Book 52, Hadith 6 Given this assurance, it is deeply troubling that someone claiming the title of ‘Shaykh’-such as Noor ul Deen-would accuse one of the highest Awliya, Bayazid al-Bustami, of kufr. Such an accusation not only disregards the wisdom of our beloved Prophet but reflects a serious lack of understanding and respect for the legacy of the Awliya.
In summary, Shaykh Noorud Deen made a video about Abu Yazid al Bistami (rahimahullah) wherein he said that Abu Yazid insulted the Messenger of Allah ﷺ (accusing him of kufr). The statement discussed was “my banner is greater than the banner of Muhammad”. In response to this video, the young 17 year old boy Hassan read the full passage from the source tadhkiratul awliya and gave the full citation. Whilst Hassan was clearly quoting the text, Shaykh Noorud Deen misunderstood Hassan to be saying that “Allah spoke through Abu Yazid”, which was a quote from the text and Hassan was NOT defending the statement. Rather, he explained the reason this statement was made, in a spiritual state of awe (الدهشة), for which he would not be accountable as Abu Yazid HIMSELF then said it was kufr, asking to be killed if he repeated it again, which shows he does not believe it. Hassan explained the full context in his video which Shaykh Noorud Deen omitted. In the meeting, Shaykh Asrar brought forwards the urdu text used as the original source, which is a translation of the farsi text; however, Shaykh Noorud Deen clearly said he does not care. He is not interested in correcting his knowledge or understanding of the situation. Rather, from this video, it can be seen that he wants to attack the 17 year old boy for reading the full citation that he missed out. He needs to apologise and humbly accept this mistake. Abu Yazid is a great wali (saint) of Allah and Allah promises to wage war against those who attack them, let alone accuse them of kufr
Sheikh Asrar really has his students back mashallah
We ride together, we die together. Look how the sheikh moved closer
@Bilal-op6rt got nothing to do with backing people, just to inform I don't agree with everything sheikh asrar rashid says, but these differences a miniscule; such as basic debates one has with family over attendance of family events
@wonderingtraveller4786 what is this, u a salafi or something or brelvi or deobandi
Noorudin realised he was wrong 2 mins in and then he dragged out an argument out of ego
His ego is bigger then his deen
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I never heard a pakistani saying I'm wrong
Where did he realise he was wrong? Please elaborate
@@Nafisalhanafi
When Nur knew that the likes of Imam Dhahabi have stated the following about such statements attributed to Imam Bistami:
أنه قالها في حال الدهشة والسكر والغيبة والمحو ، فيطوى ولا يحتج بها إذ ظاهرها إلحاد
سير أعلام النبلاء
الذهبي - شمس الدين محمد بن أحمد بن عثمان الذهبي
١٣/٨٦
Nooruddin's unwillingness to read the quotation in its original form exposed his ignorance and insecurity.
Even after being insisted to read the complete passage Nooruddin brushed it off claiming it being a "tangent".
1. Either Nooruddin is unaware of what's quoted in original text and reading it would have exposed his ignorance.
2. Or Nooruddin is aware of what's quoted in the original text and reading it would have exposed his game.
This guy is unreasonable.
this is why the learned person will be judged first on judgement day
He accused brother Hassan with kufr without understanding the initial context of the discussion...
Nurudin needs to apologise and repent..
Gr8 channel
Nur ud deen accuses a young man of Kufr yet after being proven incorrect he doesn't have the guts to apologise? What arrogance 😂😂... ontop of that he runs away
He will make videos coming days , to embarrassing himself more , tbh most liberal secular Muslim are pitful
He runs away? Sheikh asrar rashid ended the “debate”
Is he deobandi? Deobandis has pas not repenting for their wrongdoings.
@ no
@@Shaahza
His actually Ashari
"I'm not interested in tangents" to every SINGLE relevant point. Astaghfirullah! 😂😂😂😂
Please do not take sides. Let's make dua that Allah softens our hearts and unites us once again.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain that grows flowers, not thunder." Rumi
In the heart of every person is a mirror; the way you speak and act reflects not only on others but on your own soul as well. When a word of rebuke or accusation is spoken hastily, it clouds the mirror of the heart.
If you are shown a mistake in what you’ve said or done, let humility polish that mirror. Apologise with sincerity, for true strength lies not in defending one’s pride, but in recognising when to bow to truth and wisdom.
Approach each soul as if they are part of the Beloved, deserving of respect and kindness. In this way, peace and clarity are restored, and the heart remains unblemished.
Rumi was zindeeq
The entire thing was simply a misunderstanding, SND called the boy kufr however once the explanation was given that the boy was simply reading from a text, that should have been accepted by SND, what was upsetting from an Islamic standpoint is even after the clarification SND was still implying the young boy was lying. This was an easy fix, show respect and understanding and it could have been solved quickly. Everyone in that room defends the honour of the prophet pbuh, moral of this debate don’t throw the word kufr about so loosely and once corrected don’t let your ego get the better of you. Apologise like a man.
Dinr write pbuh jahil
The same thing was done to the deobandi scholars but different rule for them?
@ well I would say the same no matter whom ever was in the wrong. This is the problem so much division, one ummah one family. We can’t let shaytan win. Always stand for justice no matter what even ifs Against your own child if need be.
@ishyusuf4320 claiming its shirk to think of the Prophet sallAllahu alaihi wasallam in salah is no misunderstanding, especially when they add its better to think of a donkey nauzubillah. Allah can tell lies? Comparing the knowledge of the unseen bestowed upon the Prophet sallAllahu alaihi wasallam by Allah, to the knowledge children, animals and mad men have. This is what your deobandi elders have written. I've yet to see a deobandi accept these statements and comparisons are blasphemy. The deobandis act as if their elders are infallible
Bro its 2024 what Nokia did you record this with?
Shaykh Asrar and his team maintained decorum throughout. Nooruddin was altogether disingenuous. When a man is saying to your face: I believe it's kufr, then it's end of. Why try to score points and massage the ego by not accepting? People should learn adab ul ilm before entering public service.
May Allah preserve Sheikh Asrar Rashid for us.
What kind of discussion is this? This discussion is poorly maintained unfortunately. There is so much ego grand standing and point scoring. It's unfortunate in our times, it's cringe worthy to watch, I don't know who will stomach such a discussion and get a beneficial knowledge that will bring us closer to Allah.
No there needs to be tougness at times , salaf Allaah is pleased with them have numoried examples in ahadith!
Well if someone accuses u of kufr in public, how would u react.
@WATCHOCCUPATION.101 this is exactly what the Najdi and Madkhali movement say when speaking to young innocent Sunnis.
@@mohammednohman647yes you are correct
He could have arranged to speak in private then after clarification, they could have both put out videos explaining the end result. If noorudeen was wrong, which looks like he was, she should have then removed his content and made a public apology video as a follow up. No, need for large numbers making a punk scene at a masjid too.
I have taken shahada at home but cannot read the holy quran but i recite allah hu zikr and lai illah illallah muhummadar rasool Allah zikr throughout the day , ya Allah save me from hell fire. Im also from the United Kingdom
The Deos’ elders have heinous statements against Sayyidina Rasulullah ﷺ, and some later ones defend these. The “statements of Barelvis” which are henious, aren’t even from Barelvis, but of earlier Sufis in books and are most likely fabricated etc.
There rlly should be a balance from him in trying to get both groups to denounce statements. But for some reason, Shaykh Nooruddeen always comes after Barelvis. Idk if he has trauma w Barelvis, but it’s always as if he tries v hard to detach from them and complain abt them to make others happy. Idk if he does this to please certain ppl, and it comes across as somewhat an inferiority complex, and even coming after Hadra (which is strange given he has Syrian teachers) as if trying to water down Sunnis to groups like Salafis to make it seem more palatable.
This is coming from someone who watches and respects both of these Ulama. It was also disappointing to see Shaykh Nooruddeen’s dismissiveness towards Shaykh Mubeen when showing fatawa of early Barelvis denouncing kufri statements. He should have been happy at learning this if his mission was denouncing statements and achieving unity. Instead for some weird reason it was “too late”.
Pray that they can resolve this very soon. May Allah allow both parties’ love for him ﷺ to unite their hearts
Allah Hu Akbar this young man is literally destroying this deobandi sympathiser
Who is deobandi synpathser im confused
Sheikh Hamza @@khanimania
Noorudin @@khanimania
His a brelvi as well
Deoband zindabad!!!
Thanks Shaykh for putting this so-called nur ud deen character in his place
I'm a huge supporter of you Shaykh but you handled this completely wrong. This is the way the Wahabis would gang up on the sunnis back in the day. This reminded me of that.
Also the 17 year old kid looked very shaken and uncomfortable by this encounter. If you talk like an adult you will be treated as such. Not to mention the kid was very rude, all Adab went out of the window.
The other brothers there were very aggressive too. Brother Noor Deen has earnt my respect by going down Alone courageously.
I'm sure behind the scenes Shaykh Asrar will definitely have a word with the kid and tell him to concentrate on his studies. Sometimes being young with praise from elders can automatically give you some arrogance and pride.
May Allah (swt) protect us All. Ameen
But yh, not a good look this Shaykh.
Noor ud deen is fitna non stop
Call a spade q spade he made numou4ss nonsense videos for fame
Is that you Noor Ud Deen? 😂
Noor aldeen was with people. This was in his hometown of luton.
Your right, I follow sheikh asrar rashid for a long time however I agree. The comments against noor al deen filled with insults are exactly how Wahabis act. They should have shame
Wow Nooruddin has no clue whatsoever, an arrogant man who can’t listen or apologise, he has an ego curtaining himself as the defender of the Prophet (saw).
Noorudin is all about clicks and views. The guy was shook 2 minutes into the video and his ignorance is beyond belief.
shaykh nooruddin actually came out as a clown
I have no idea about N Rasheed or the young brother he is accusing. But I don't understand how this is so complicated. There was an insult (Yes, all agree), that insult is kufr (yes, all agree), N Rasheed says that I Hassan has committed kufr, I Hassan denies and clarifies it. But N Rasheed is still insistent upon it? Aren't we supposed to be making excuses for our brothers even if their wrongdoings are apparent, let alone if there is evidence to the contrary and if the accused themselves has denied it?
It’s not kufr he’s quoted the book and nurudin and twisted his words and has made it seem like he has done kufr although he’s quoting the book
@Palestine-m2j73 I agree, my point is that enough has been said to absolve the young brother, and it should not have been pressed further.
Noor ul din isn't even able to look into Shaykh Asrar's eyes while talking
Noor ud Deen was “not interested” in relevant point the scholar or the child were bringing up. Is this what the liberalist “I’m just Sunni” mindset produces?
This noorudin says he doesnt mess around in defence of thr Prophet peace and blessings upon him, yet shaykh asrar has been debating Wahabis, deos,athiests , challenging the right wing and racists, everyone in defence of the Prophet peace and blessings upon him,.... what has this noorudin done ? Where has his defence and challenges
been against those who insult the Prophet peace and blessings upon him ? And yet he sits there in such areogance claiming hes a big defender and yet has never had the guts to challenge the insulters.
And the ‘wahabbis’ smoked him, you brillos are an insult upon our habeeb SAW
Go sit in one gathering of the ahlul Hadith or listen to one speaker you’ll know how firmly there upon the sunnah with the understanding of the first 3 generations
@@MotorWorld-v8y i have sat in mamy, and unfortunately what iv seen from them is they take what suits them and leave what doesnt suit them from the salaf ( please dont ask for examples otherwise it will turn into a long thread ), this is my experience with them unfortunately, the moderate salafis and the extreme ones, the " following the 3 generations" sounds nice but iv found many times that when sometimes the salafs opinions go against even the likes of Albaani etc, they will reject the salaf and take Albani, using the excuse that albani is taking from the salaf so hes correct..... ( how that works i dont know)
I've watched a few of the 'sheikh asrar debates'. All of his debates have not gone anywhere. They lack basic etiquettes of a debate. It's literally like a gang of students with him who literally talk over each other. All I seen in this conversation or shouting match is one guy trying to speak and 10 other guys interrupting. Including the camera man with an iPhone 4. And what's makes it worse is sheikh asrar shouting over the guy and then has the cheek to ask him why are you getting angry.
That's because a good majority of his opponents lack the required skills for a debate. They've always been clowns.
Barelvi vs deobandi sympathiser
Anyone who knows urdu clearly knows which one is worse, and I'm not part of either!
This is 💯 true and I'm an asrar fan
Noor ud dil is acting like a Jaahil Mutlaq,
The lil boy quoted a passage from book and Noor ud den is accusing him of kufr because he quoted,
If this is applied the same logic will apply to all Barelwis who quote the balsphameous statemrnts of Wahabis and Deobandis,
The fatwa will first apply on Imam Ahmed Raza Barelwi (ra)
Isn’t this backbiting?
@@truthseeker205noor ideen backbstes children
Regardless of who is right or wrong in this debate, I have a great deal of respect for both Shaykh Asrar Rashid and Shaykh Noor-uddin Rashid, two highly respected scholars in the UK who have positively impacted the lives of many and earned the respect of our community. That being said, the bullying and gang-like tactics used against Shaykh Noor-uddin in this debate were disgraceful, especially considering his position and the honour he deserves as a scholar of our religion.
Some of the young students involved clearly lacked basic adab. Everyone in this video is capable of making mistakes, but the way Shaykh Noor-uddin was treated was completely unacceptable.
What stood out most was the undeniable love and loyalty Shaykh Noor-uddin Rashid has for the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, which was clear throughout the entire discussion. His sincerity and devotion to defending the honor of the Prophet ﷺ, no matter the pressure, is something we should all learn from.
Two respected scholars 😂
Nooruddin who accused ahlus sunnah multiple times is no more respected but wretched
Nur ul din aint no scholar what you on
@@ateeqaziz5110 Not a scholar by which metric? The one you have made up in your head?
This is a clear example of wanna be alims who come along on RUclips and create Fitna. May Allah guide us and connect us to the correct Noor of His Guidance ameen. May Allah عزوجل preserve our teachers the likes of Sh Asrar Rashid and Sh Mubeen Raza ameen Ya Rabb
This person does not deserve a response. He does not even understand his mistake and is full of his own ego.
Exactly
beautiful how Shaykh Asrar Rashid stepped in for his student. his student seems more learned than noor ul deen himself. how can noor ul deen say he isn't interested in tangets if he is accusing someone of kufr. secondly, how are those points tangents? they all are strictly related with the discussion. accusation of kufr based on a translation of another translation is just wow
17 yr old and the kids need to learn adab before anything. 😢
hes got more adab then you and your family combined
Guy called him out wrongly so he has a right to speak
Give the kid a break, he's 17, for goodness sake . Besides he was according to the comments of kufr, this is not a small matter .
He doesn't understand Faris and Urdu but thinks he can give a fatwa
In brief for those who don't know ,a scholar had said something wrong in the state of unconscious (in such a situation any sin done is not counted according to Hadith)
This scolar was then told what he said and this scholar had then said that he was unaware of this and that next time he says such a thing that he himself should executed.
nooruddin quoted part of this scholars words and not the full which would explain the context of the situation and said that this was wrong(which is fine)
The younger brother then states the ENTIRE passage so that he is informed as he didnt come accross the rest of the passage and this would put things into context of the actual situation. (in this brother Hassan didnt agree with the statement as he said he belives it to be kufr but he told the full statement so that people dont label the scholar as a blasphemer as the scholar didnt know he said this in the state of unconsciousness hence no rulling of kufr would be given.
Based on hassan quoting the Entire passage - nooruddin then said by the young brother quoting this
He has defended it. To which the young brother replied no he didnt, he beleives the statement to be wrong but even after clarifying, nooruddin then kept on saying because he quoted the entire passage he is somehow defending the statement and he is guilty.
Nooruddin needs to be brushed up by his teachers sorry to say, even a layman can understand this.
Another guy wants fame from shaykh asrar, this nooruddin talking about insults toward the prophet SalAllahu Alayhi WaSalam also loves deos, the irony
Noorodin is brelwi right
Why even share these things that end up like this
Hes a jahil secular liberal @@khanimania
Should a 17 year old be even making videos and quoting from books on RUclips. ?
Of course, is there an age limit for dawah?
It seems Nur ud Deen was personally offended as someone pointed out he did not quote properly as simple as that ego problems. Going to have a go at a 17 year old kid. If he does not know how quotes work he is hardly a Scholar. Ashame no one taught him adab or to make excuse for muslim brother or have good intent.
Bro calls jimself sheikh but cant read Arabic😂
Wallahi I knew I should have gone 2 this… messed up not going Luton yesterday
He couldn't even look Shaykh Asrar in the eye properly .... blatantly wanted to pick on a kid
Noor ud deen got given a danda 😂
The attributes of a badmazhab is that they will never say sorry on the part which is wrong with themselves.
Can someone provide a link to the original video of brother Hasan speaking on this please? I want to understand the context Insha Allah
love shaykh Asrar Rashid
Funny video from the barelvis.😂
This was so unnecessary. If a supposed learned shaykh is going after a 17 yr old accusing him of blaspheming then that’s just disgusting. Had it been in a different country like back home in PAK then threats of killing could have been on that young boy. We’ve seen so many incidences where just the accusation of ghustaakh has lead to innocent lives being taken! Use your brains. May Allah swt guide us all. Ameen
Exact
Shayk asrar saidnhe pldontntske this ligjtly
I don’t know about that, I know people who are full hardcore salafi and they believe like 99% of Pakistanis are kaafir, yet they are still okay in jehlum
And who does all of this the brelwis go teach them to stop behaving in such a manner
Why harass a young 17yr old child. The quote of "my flag is higher than the Prophet" was a misquote based on a translation. Nooruddin seems to have good intentions as he wants to defend the Prophet - thats perfect. However, the blasphemous comment was misinterpreted, but Nooruddin persists directly from his perception that Hasan said & believed the Flag is higher, then stereotypes to lesser extent Brelvi's believe this.
Both parties love the Prophet, so people are there with good intentions to defend the Prophet SallallahuAlaihiWasalam
17 year old child?
Are you drunk?
He’s a man Islamically
He’s reached baligh age
A misquote? How come bustami says if I say it again then kill me?
the Adab between the two shaykh’s is surprising.
Yes Noor uddin claim has no basis and was based off misinformation.
I understand that they must have been angry , I had hoped that Sh. Asrar would have shown more patience & dealt with this better.
He doesnt take kufr lightly hes Rights shayk asrar is a lion
no patience when it comes to kufr u fool, this is more than a person honour
@@husnainshahzad2165
“The strong person is not the one who can wrestle others, but the strong person is the one who controls themselves when they are angry.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)
It seems it was very hard to get through to this fool nur u din, so i understand why it can get frustrating
I support shaykh asrar. Is calling this unknown person, with his unknown intentions warranted for? How does it reflect for you? And your teachers?
Love to sheikh Asrar. Pray for Palestine
Nooruddeen Rasheed telling me your inadequate in both personal and religious affairs without telling me.
I’m deeply disappointed with the way Shaykh Noorudeen has conducted himself. While he claims to be eradicating sectarianism, his actions over the past year or two seem to have done the opposite, fueling tensions between Barelvis and Deobandis. Instead of promoting unity, he’s stirred up unnecessary conflicts that create division. This issue should never have escalated, especially when it involves a 17-year-old merely quoting statements from a book and suggesting they may be problematic. This approach raises questions about Shaykh Noorudeen’s sincerity. If he were truly committed to da’wah, he would have acknowledged the young person’s point and worked to defuse the situation.
Whenever he faced a valid argument or question he couldn’t answer, he dismissed it as a tangent. He couldn’t reference the original works and didn’t even provide the name of the book containing the original quote when asked. This is nothing short of divisive behavior, fueling fitna and sectarianism.
The rashid guy with a fade on his beard is like he stuck on a roundabout and hasn't found the turn off
Bottomline, guys who trim their moustaches are closer to truth & sunnah than a guy who shaves it.. 😅
Advise - Nooruddin must stop shaving his moustache, and instead trim it.
More students need to join shayk asrar and msb Masjid and support asharism
😂😂😂😂
so you can gather all thr zindeeqs together
Asharism has nothing to do with Islam
@@maalikserebryakovalso wahabis are zindiq
@@maalikserebryakov😂😂almost 70percent ummah is zindiq according to you😂😂even Sultan Ayubi and Sultan Mahmud Fateh who was praised by prophet صلی الله علیه وسلم
جزاك اللهُ خيرا
Sthdent of Engineer mirza in ruins.
I don’t like the style of debate BUT one dude with funny beard cannot read Persian script so that’s the end of the matter
I have huge respect for both Sheikh Asrar Rashid and Sheikh Nooruddeen Rasheed. And remember Muslims massive scholars in the past said insane things to one another but we forgive them, love them and take knowledge from them. So when I see scholars of Islam in modern times debating and sometimes even getting harsh, alhamdulillah I brush it off because this is just a heated debate 🤷🏾♂️.
Edit: btw I believe this is a whole misunderstanding
Khair for all ummah of ﷺ khair for the great people of ISLAM and also khair for humanity ameen Freedom 4 All 🇵🇸 + Peace and blessings be apon the great people of Islam and love to the angels
Aameen Thumma Aameen 💚❤️💚!!!
debating for the sake of denating moor uddin is DESTOYED yet he wont admit it, an apology from him would have shown him in a strength of character but rather he just wants to argue for the sake of it
The Plumber of UK, Nur al-Din Deobandi
Isn’t this backbiting?
He isn't deobandi. He is a barelwi. Barelwi wars
Plumber ??
Who is the 17year old and where is his original video
Ma sha Allah
Shaykh it wasnt needed to upload this video. Because there was so much yelling and so on. Yes the discussion is needed.
Other thing is how the shaykh defend his student. The most teachers can learn about this.
It was needed, Shaykh Nooruddeen kept uploading videos without any response from brother Hasan or Shakyh Asrar making this discussion seem very one sided.
Nuruddern lost a lot of respect after this.what a child
Shaikh please explain Qutub and Abdaal
They are basically high level saints to you have Awliyah within Awliyah you have high rankings etc
@@Awliyah786are there 7 abdaal who control the 7 continents of the earth?
@@adilshah2841 no. There are 40 abdaal, who are amongst the highest ranks of the awliyah, they do not control any aspects of the earth or universe, that is under Allah's control alone.
The Qutubs are the 'axis' of the spiritual paths, the awliya of the highest rank of their time. The Abdaal are the 'noble ones' some of the highest ranking of the awliya of their time also.
@@HaiderAli-kz1clI think the Hadith Shareef says there’s 40 Abdaal in Sham, but not the entire Earth. May Allah grant us their company
1 AND ONLY GOD NO DOUBT = Allah ﷻ 💚❤💚 💚❤💚 💚❤💚 No God BUT ALLAH عزوجل!!!
💚❤️💚 Muhammad ﷺ = 💎 of CREATION and MUHAMMAD ﷺ is the Final messenger!!!
blessed to be a Sufi and on the huq/true Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah!!! #unitywillbetherewhereonecandoit with regards to different sects of muslims and non muslims cuz humanity first and we wont comprimise our aqeedah/belief 🫡
Also sheikh asrar calls him a child. He is a man islamically. You can say young man
He do call him a young man
@@muhammad_al_ayyubi no he says to nurudin that this is a child.
What’s the RUclips of this young man?
The young man showed great character Masha Allah
How, barely spoke a word and look shaken
Nourudeen is an arrogant brother.. may Allah سُبْحَانَهُوَتَعَالَى guide this person.. he is demonstrating narcissist behaviour.. may Allah swa make guide him and make him understand
Ws in the chaaaat for the barelvis!!! #ganggang 🤩😍🥰😇
Is nooruddin a Deobandi?
I thought he’s a barelvi?
@@JohnSurname-jl9xj Noor addin isnt be bralvi fr
@@JohnSurname-jl9xj deobandi inclined it seems
Halwaaa🎉
Halwa is a sunnah of our Prophet ﷺ don't make a mockery of it
He's caught in a trap and he's going on like a child
Noor u deen did takfir of a17 year old hes majnoon sihr possessed
Noor uddin can’t even look the boy in the face
Mashaallah shykh mubeen raza is also sitting there and and in in the end even he confronts this wahabi who runs away afterwards 😂
Cycle repeats - the elder barelwis take a back seat and the new maulanas on the block continue sectarianism and overzealous attitudes.
Yep Barelvis aka Sunnis from the early islam did ikhtlaf with eachother it's sunnah of sahaba you never gonna understand cuz I doubt that you are wahabi the Government worshiper
@ right, whatever that means lol.
Bechara Nuruddin ran off
He didn't want to engage
@@islamicreminders3090he was very ignorant every time it was said to him read the full citation of the book he was very ignorant and didn’t want to which shows his lack of ilm and when he said I put the translation in google translate 😂
@Awliyah786 he kept on repeating himself. Just wanted to make a video, I guess . The kid is only 17 years of age . He should be ashamed of himself
@@islamicreminders3090and the kid still corrected him on Arabic grammar 😂
BARBA BOY NURUDEN DONT RUN
This deobandi was wasted
Is he deobandi
Nooruddin is academically extremely poor.
Bechara had a meltdown in front of the camera when he realised he can’t save himself anymore
Well done 👍
Noor ud deen looks cursed
Noor ud din got schooled by a 17yr old😂
Asrar seems to be defending hasan and his brelwi cult more than anything ,
Pointless. Good character would've meant just to walk away. Too many nafs issues here lol.
A lot of you people are saying deobandis this and that im from luton and noorudeen has made it very clear he's not a deobandi nor is he a braevli, he doesn't agree with both of them, he's tried to reconcile with both or try to make content of unity but that fell apart when the braelvis of luton rejected him. So refrain from calling him a deobandi because he does not represent them.
He's way of dealing things is similar to deobandis.
@amaanhussainbarbhuyan9628 ok but that doesn't make him one
So his a wobbler😂 or a sulle Kulli both as bad as being a dobbler
this setting is very wrong for a learned man te entertain
❤❤
Norudeen will be buddhurt for a lifetimes and will make many crsd videos
Isn’t this backbiting
@truthseeker205 go on his channel thats all he does
Who is this guy?
Someone who wants to be popular, as the saying goes "yesterday I was I a nobody, today I am a somebody."
I used to think that nurudin was on sheikh asrar's side?
Why did you quote it 😂
♡
If this is what sheikh is then I haven't been born yet. Nooruddin has no manners or respect or knowledge to correctly do the right thing for the good of islam. Instead over speaking avoiding written sentences. And nor being transparant. He is the sheikh of what? Not the sheikh we know of Islam. He has great pride of can not be wrong. Sign of a shaitaan works
Didn’t Shamsi school this guy?
He said it in the state of Sukur.
Ahh... so that's the card these people dish out to whitewash every nonsensical statement uttered by the so-called Awliya?
The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) assured us in a hadith that he did not fear his Ummah would fall into shirk after him, but rather that they would become engrossed in worldly competition:
Arabic Text: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "إني والله ما أخاف عليكم أن تشركوا بعدي، ولكن أخاف عليكم أن تنافسوا فيها."
Translation: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "By Allah, I do not fear for you that you will associate partners with Allah after me, but I fear for you that you will compete with one another for (the pleasures of) this world."
- Sahih Muslim, Book 52, Hadith 6
Given this assurance, it is deeply troubling that someone claiming the title of ‘Shaykh’-such as Noor ul Deen-would accuse one of the highest Awliya, Bayazid al-Bustami, of kufr. Such an accusation not only disregards the wisdom of our beloved Prophet but reflects a serious lack of understanding and respect for the legacy of the Awliya.