Ever since I was first transfixed by Pumping Iron as a teen I still never get tired of learning about these guys and their methods. Serge Nubret was to me a living statue, a barely believable physique.
@@carvedouttastone the point you made about gurus and their minutiae is so true. And impressionable youngsters, new to the gym, get lost in all of that BS. Keep plugging away because you’ve got a real talent! It’s a shame it’s such a niche sport where generally those who shout the loudest are most heard. Hopefully the cream will rise and you’ll start reaching the wider ordinance you deserve because the industry needs credible people.🤞👍
Thanks mate. Which is why I get confused when people say "I lost size and strength on such and such a program"....really??? Unless it was totally retarded how can you LOSE size and strength lifting weights and pushing hard?? Makes no sense
It is fun to try different styles and techniques when training of course. But sometimes we have to get back to core basics. Bob Chic had a great response when asked what the best training program is: JFT. Just F'n Train.
@@carvedouttastone Guys I known over the years who say about size and strength loss have 2 or 3 things happen They were small and used steroids for a long long time time (years) and got big and came off, stopped training and eating well and literally turned into someone else They got ill and stopped training, but if it was serious kidney or liver issues they lose a huge amount of muscle, you can see this in former professionals who suddenly retire and show up 6 months later 75lbs lighter
@@carvedouttastone YES there are a LOT of us that follow his (and Frank Zane, and other followers of Proportionality) style of training and monitoring proper body measurements. It is the exact opposite of the bubble-gut Mass Monster movement...
Thanks for featuring Serge Nubret. He gets little attention and I didn't know about his "pump training" approach. It seemed to have worked for him. He obviously "had a mind of his own" - which is good to know.
Cheers! Yes I like the original thinkers who stray from the well-worn path. They not only provide some interesting content, but help us question our own thought process and methodology
@@carvedouttastone Very true. I think he's quite influential because of the type of physique he "crafted" . I remember seeing his name cited from time to time as being someone who other bodybuilders aspired to.
I started training in 2004, at 15 years old. 10 years later, in 2014, i read his posts on international forums. Serge Nubret philosophy change not only my body, but my entire life for ever! Serge was a genius.
Excellent bodybuilder/topic! love your narration and delivery/editing on your videos 👍 i liked the inclusion of b-roll of your workouts and sharing your experience combined with classic info.
Cheers mate. I'm shy at inserting myself into my vids - especially juxtaposed against someone as awesome we Nubret, but I thought it would be helpful to relate my own experiences with the method, rather than just pumping out just another Pump Training vid.
@@carvedouttastone i loved the combination - edutainment. The message goes down like candy👍 you've got the physique to pair along side a vid about Serge. My goal, knowing reality, has always been to look like i could've been one of those guys you'd see in the background on stage in pics from the 70s. Like a decent 70s pro also-ran. I'd say you're a fair bit more muscular than those also rans who DID stand on stage with Serge 💪 you can be proud of what you've built! But, i appreciate your humility all the same, lol. Respect
Brilliant video and a great explanation of this method of training, so many different types of physique back then. Watching pumping iron and reading iron man articles inspired me to compete.
This is a great video man, Well done. I hope the younger guys try Serge's training, If they do, I'm sure they will stay away from the circle jerk 'science' community
Really glad you enjoyed it mate as there's a million serge nubret pump training vids out there but I wanted to come at things from a slightly different angle. Definitely agree, more guys need to look back to what worked in the past compared to what's failing to work in the present
How much do you guys care about adding weight and progressing with reps? I don't do Segre's training exactly but I do higher volume with rest periods between 30 and 60 seconds, maybe 90 with chins. I'm maybe to used to the previous style of training I used where I was trying to add reps at every working set I did. Now when I do for example 4 sets of an exercise and the last training was 4x12,12,10,10, I try to add at least one rep (12,12,11,10) but the progression is slow this way and sometimes I even add no rep as the volume is high. Is it a concern or is it normal? Do you focus on tracking your reps at all?
@@krystofodehnal9448 I try to add reps, increase the weight or decrease the rest times personally and I won't aim for that across all exercises. I might put the other body parts on maintenance (just get the sets and reps done with consistent weight) but for 1-2 body parts I'll push the above variables. I'll also take the last set to all out screaming failure to really nail down the effective reps so that they're not all just warm up sets
For sure. Strength is specific, but light weights also helps build up that all important tendon and ligament strength while giving the nervous system a break from my repeated smack downs.
An amazing video and a great tribute to Nubret. The pump training does make sense in terms of recovery. Imagine a river of blood cursing through your body repairing and rejuvinating. Most therapeutic strategies use the concept of increasing blood flow to aid repair. I wonder how it compares to the PHA training that Bob Gadja popularised and whether it would have a similar effect. BTW You have an impressive physique. You walk your talk.
Yes I thought it was similar to PHA also. Interestingly Bruce Lee liked PHA as well. Thanks for the praise regarding my physique. Knock on wood, blessed with no injuries at this age due to strategically knowing how to manage my training and Serge's methods have proven very useful in that regard
Although I've mainly stuck to abbreviated training, I've often taken long breaks between the tough WOs and done very short pump WOs every day and it works great. Despite long periods of illness I've lost zero size and very little strength, and the strength lost is on lifts I haven't been doing. 100% natural not that I judge those who use. Bottom line as you said is to always keep an open mind. Developing intuition takes time but intuitive training is great. I hate dogma. It all works if you know when and how to apply it. Great video.
Thanks that's exactly the intent behind this video and glad to hear that you've also stumbled/discovered upon something similar. I've alyws been an abbreviated advocate as well, but switching it up strategically is a great way to milk the benefits of multiple styles of training
So the high volume is to be introduced when the high intensity heavy duty stuff begins to stagnate and fry the nervous system?. My anotomical composition seems to respond to a mix of the two. The one thing i derived from the old schoolers was to always listen to whats innate to you and negate the exogenous convention of life. I like to do one exercise that actually works for at least 5 to 7 sets including two all out heavy war sets, but the leading up sets are over 15 reps and short rests. At this point the heavier sets dont feel as heavy as you have engineered your reaponse to withstand that load, and then i drop set. After this, i pick another exercise, but this is mainly to stretch out that attacked muscle. It's a mix of the two styles, but i feel it won't work forever, so ill definitely be trying the high volume lower weight soon 🙏🙏😇 This was a very well put together clip and intelligently explained 👏
I came across the concept of volumizing from Alexander bromley; I was going too ask if you think it would be prudent too do 3-4 sets for a week or two first and then slowly ramp up the volume too get accustomed with Serge's programme
First, I don't like Alexander Bromley - the guy wouldn't know an original idea if it bit him in his fat a$$ Second, don't overcomplicate it. Do the program as set as that's how it's designed to work. Yes, the volume recommendations are mostly arbitrary, but roll with it as written to see how you respond before changing it into something it's not. Once you've run through it in it's original inception, then you have room to wiggle in regards to changes. So, long story short, stop listening to Anthony Bromley
I believe intermittent fasting Serge Nubret did and high volume got him the look. I do this twice a week and 2 meals a day. Yes light weight not joint problems. 45:min then stop. Take a sprinters physique compared to a long distance runner a sprinter has the best body
Absolutely. It's great fun and as much as I like hard, heavy, high intensity workouts, I look forward to switching to this kind of training for a break and new form of stimulus
Vince Gironda had the 8×8 routine with only 15 seconds rest between sets. You would complete dozens of sets in around 45 minutes. In the beginning you wouldn't be able to lift as heavy due to the limited rest between sets but eventually you would be lifting just as heavy as you were with the conventional 1 to 2 minutes rest. I don't know how Serge could train for 12 hours a day. I knew he would train with high volume but 12 hours. Not saying he didn't. Then you get guys like Victor Richards that according to Larry Pollock would take up to 10 minutes rest between sets and spend 90 % of gym time socializing, yet looked damn impressive. Maybe not as cut but impressive nonetheless. Imagine if most bodybuilders devoted as much time to experimenting with training routines as they did with PEDs. Mike Mattatazo mentioned this in an interview after he got sick saying as a bodybuilder he never really experimented with training methods or routines just sticking to the same training and diet throughout his career but was always experimenting with different PEDs and their dosages. I think if more bodybuilders took this type of approach with little rest combined with high volume and numerous exercises they would benefit more in the long run as the moderate weights lessens the chance of injury. I will,definitely try this approach, I kinda do to a certain extent but take more rest with compound exercises. I'll go a bit lighter and see how I go. Thanks.
I remember the mystery surrounding his death. Think he was preparing for a guest posing slot at an upcoming show and fell into a coma. Remember thinking if insulin usage was a contributory factor...
@@carvedouttastone Yes, I watched the whole thing. You mentioned it was a great break and restorative between heavier lifting routines (possibly swapping back and forth). My question is coming from a younger person hoping to be in the game for a long time and reducing damage done to the body through heavier lifting. If that was answered and I missed it, I apologize, I’ll rewatch it again. By the way, love your videos!
@@mdguitar00 no worries mate. Yes, sorry I wasn't meaning to be rude, but slipped back into primary school teacher mode there for a second 😂 Yes, it's something you can use over time as long as you're log booking your sessions and improving slowly over time. It breaks up the beat down of high intensity blocks and allows you to easily transmute the "gains" from those blocks into dedicated hypertrophy periods via less taxing volume sessions
Yeah it is very effective. It's pretty much the way I've always trained and still train that way to this day. If you're a natural trainer such as myself most likely your body will recover from lighter weights quicker allowing you to get more training sessions in per week
Not entirely true. Arnold trained extremely high volume for hours at a time using volume - same with Mentzer as I just heard Ed Connors mention "him and ray trained hours at a time"..
@@carvedouttastone Firstly are we using Arnold and other genetic elites as a measuring stick for the rest of us? 99% of the rest of the world isn't going to be able to do what Arnold and other elites did and grow the same or even close to it, secondly Arnold was using PEDs much earlier than most people think and third Arnold was doing strength work in his early day, he trained at strength clubs, he completed in strength competitions, volume absolutely has a place in anyone's training but it won't build (majority of people) real mass
With smaller body parts or isolation exercises, but not with body parts like legs, back and chest or corresponding compounds. I take at least a minute for those which I think is better than 30 seconds . Evidence for hypertrophy trends towards larger rest periods, but I don't think those periods need to be 3-5 mins as recommended
@@carvedouttastone thanks for the reply I appreciate it. Not sure if your familiar with another RUclips channel Called natty life but both of your channels have really helped me with my fitness knowledge. I’m going too research more into Alexander zass and his training with isometrics for strength.
Of course. No mechanical tension = no growth. Literally impossible to build any meaningful amount of muscle with this method as a natural trainee. The creator of the video is himself on test and therefore oblivious to the fact that training like this would never work for naturals.
@@adam-lt8iy I think it's just different strokes for different folks. Or genetically gifted guys like Nubret would grow doing any system. I reckon Arnold would have grown using Mentzers system and vice versa. By the way I wasn't natty when I tried nubrets system. Still felt like I barely held on to the muscle i had or maybe even lost some despite busting my ass for 6 weeks. Just wasn't for me. I have noticed that for me I need a lot more rest than working out 6 days a week, even with a split system. So these days I train EOD at most. But I work a 9-5 so maybe that's a factor as well.
Adam - I talked to Tony Freeman and him,.Robby Robinson,.Bill Grant and many of the old school guys used this training even before and when they weren't on drugs. If you're going to whine about how only genetically gifted or only drug users can get results from such and such a program, you're never gonna make it bro. No mechanical tension, lol c'mon, really??
Id agree that low rep, heavy weight strength may dip temporarily due to specificity, but the bonus of allowing some systemic recovery and the benefits of this training on joints etc, will definitely help you rebound once you switch back to intensity style training again
Irse a vivir al gimnasio no es el enfoque que me gusta, hay más en la vida que las pesas, a pesar que siempre he considerado a Nubret como uno de los mejores hasta hoy.
Thanks Nathan. Yes I was planning to do another carnivore vid and also interview Shawn baker and Bart Kay. Are there any topics you'd like me to touch on for my next carnivore vid?
@@carvedouttastone Cheers for the reply. I watched your original vid almost a year ago now and finally decided to go for it. Today is day 2. Gonna give it a go for 30 days and see the results, then go from there. Not really any topics off the top of my head. Maybe the different stages and what to expect? Such as the carnivore flu and maybe some more meal suggestions. Also do you do blood work at all?
@nathancad I did a meals vid and I put some of my blood work in. Didn't really experience carnivore flu or anything. I'll keep it in mind and think about what I can talk about with about vid. Cheers mate
@@carvedouttastone Id like to know their opinion on high cholesterol and types of cholesterol. Ive noticed a lot of carnivore talk about having high cholesterol. Do they think its a worry or nothing to worry about. Also, porterhouse vs ribeye. Which one is better for carnivore, or does it matter? Cheers
@@nathancad not speaking as a doctor, but cholesterol isn't the age old villain it was made out to be. There's more factors involved in heart health than that and dietary cholesterol is vital to optimal health and crucial for Bodybuilding. Ribeye vs porterhouse - probably splitting hairs. I can't afford either, so I just opt for the cheapest cuts or 85 per cent mince :-)
Great video but I have to correct you. Serge said he did every set to failure by putting the weight he wanted on the bar with his mind. The average person can't understand what that means, but he did train to failure. I've done some of his routines, and unless you train with ferocious intensity, you'll just be pumping the muscles and get little to no growth.
I spoke to Tony Pearson who lived and trained with serge and he said failure was incidental - not deliberate. They rarely trained to failure and that's not how he communicated this program
The principles they certainly could though..a short morning workout to invigorate followed by another short workout at night is no tall order, even for a working man. A working man with 6 kids,.that's probably a different story, but you choose your own level of investment with anything at the end of the day
I think you ask too many questions and just need to find out for yourself. N=1 is interesting, but I find your questions are along the same lines of "when you ate the chocolate, cake, did you like it with sprinkles or with icing" IOW - my experience is a generalisation and an individual one at that. It's not going to translate to your experience necessarily
@@carvedouttastone oh then why didn't he get bigger? must be genetics and if i'm correct he went OMAD on season 450-500 G white rice and 5 lbs horse meat insane
The problem with "science" is that there are too many variables with regard to training and muscle building. Setting up a study just cannot really definitively conclude anything because there are always other factors that just cannot be universally applied. Genetics, nutrition, rest, recovery, experience, form, intensity, supplements....it goes on and on
Which is why Jamie Lewis equivocates exercise science to something basically the same as garbage and why i say that anyone who says the words "well, research shows.. " Is a fkn.nonce
You're not doing 10 x 12. You're doing sets of 12 but it might be 8 sets for bench and 6 sets for leg extension. If you hit all sets of 12 you can add a small increment depending on the exercise. 5lbs for bench,.or.next plate on the stack if it's a machine. What I like to do is ramp my weights up and go all out on the last 2-3 sets and try to improve over time on those 2-3 hard final sets per exercise.
Rule nr 1 is you have to enjoy doing it or you wont do it much and that goes for everything in life,hit only works for me if i bulk up but i am no longer 20 y old so i chose health over size specially since it is a hobby,feels rather stupid to destroy your body/health in your free time and then be sore as hell.
@@carvedouttastone Yes Amphetamine types: possibly Dexamphetamine or Levoamphetamine, these are still used today for medical purposes, however there are other Amphetamines or even Stimulant like Benzedrine They were discovered as a drug in the 1920s, that's info online, they were made years before this but not used as a drug yet Remember back when Serge was young you could walk into a Drug store and buy stimulants which were marketed to help for many reason (in Germany you could buy legitimate Methamphetamine (Pervitin) like headache pills in the late 1930s and they were used in WW2, also Methamphetamine is still available as a medication today called Desoxyn (for Adhd) this is how I know a little bit about the amphetamines and stimulants You prob know the steroids being available like a supplement from a doctor or stories of a tub/pot of Dianabol in gyms on the counters and people used to eat them like sweets literally
You're judging them by modern criteria. On an aesthetic basis - heck, even using comparisons to the ancient golden mean - the golden era physiques are considered "better" than the modern day calamities.
@@darrenburke9630 no shit. That's not what the argument is tho is it? You love the physiques of today. Good for you. I don't give a shit. Make a video about it arguing your point. That's not what this video's focus is
@@carvedouttastone the arguement was old school high volume training benefitted physiques,I'm saying that's not true If we take a a look at golden era physiques having multiple body parts missing.
Serge Nubret imo is the best bodybuilder in the history. Perfect physique
I agree
Ever since I was first transfixed by Pumping Iron as a teen I still never get tired of learning about these guys and their methods. Serge Nubret was to me a living statue, a barely believable physique.
I feel the same way and this channel aims at keeping those memories alive. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment mate.
Same here. When Arnold won 1st place, I was like "but what about THAT guy??", confused af at how Arnold _stole_ Serge's trophy.
It's a shame JW was so hateful
Mate, at the risk of sounding like a scratched record, your narration is superb, and I can’t help but agree with all of your points.
Thanks again!
You're a legend for always chipping in with a supportive comment. I never get sick of it and im glad you enjoyed it
@@carvedouttastone the point you made about gurus and their minutiae is so true. And impressionable youngsters, new to the gym, get lost in all of that BS.
Keep plugging away because you’ve got a real talent! It’s a shame it’s such a niche sport where generally those who shout the loudest are most heard. Hopefully the cream will rise and you’ll start reaching the wider ordinance you deserve because the industry needs credible people.🤞👍
"Everything works as long as you do" - That's awesome.
Thanks mate. Which is why I get confused when people say "I lost size and strength on such and such a program"....really??? Unless it was totally retarded how can you LOSE size and strength lifting weights and pushing hard?? Makes no sense
It is fun to try different styles and techniques when training of course. But sometimes we have to get back to core basics.
Bob Chic had a great response when asked what the best training program is: JFT. Just F'n Train.
@@carvedouttastone Guys I known over the years who say about size and strength loss have 2 or 3 things happen
They were small and used steroids for a long long time time (years) and got big and came off, stopped training and eating well and literally turned into someone else
They got ill and stopped training, but if it was serious kidney or liver issues they lose a huge amount of muscle, you can see this in former professionals who suddenly retire and show up 6 months later 75lbs lighter
Serge Nubret was one of a kind, a moving STATUE!!!🦾
Some of that posing footage is just breathtaking for its timeless essence of what bodybuilding should and can represent
@@carvedouttastone YES there are a LOT of us that follow his (and Frank Zane, and other followers of Proportionality) style of training and monitoring proper body measurements.
It is the exact opposite of the bubble-gut Mass Monster movement...
Rightly observed and articulated.
Really appreciate the comment mate. Tried to present a different take with this topic that's covered quite a lot on RUclips
Thanks for featuring Serge Nubret. He gets little attention and I didn't know about his "pump training" approach. It seemed to have worked for him.
He obviously "had a mind of his own" - which is good to know.
Cheers! Yes I like the original thinkers who stray from the well-worn path. They not only provide some interesting content, but help us question our own thought process and methodology
@@carvedouttastone Very true.
I think he's quite influential because of the type of physique he "crafted" . I remember seeing his name cited from time to time as being someone who other bodybuilders aspired to.
Thank you, agree with your points! Never stop learning!
Cheers mate. Really appreciate the comment and yes, learning is forever 😀
@@carvedouttastone Still learning after 40+years of training!
I started training in 2004, at 15 years old. 10 years later, in 2014, i read his posts on international forums. Serge Nubret philosophy change not only my body, but my entire life for ever! Serge was a genius.
Same for me man, Serge completely changed my views on training and how to eat. one meal a day, high volume, short rest times - Genius
@@dtm4071 i know, man. I saw alot of reviews from you. Where are you from, man?
So you're saying this works for naturals?? 20 sets with a weight you can handle for 20, but do 12 reps over and over....
@@steveb6718 Yes it does work for naturals. Why would we lie?
@@steveb6718 Yes it works for naturals. Why would we lie?
Well said and great compilation of Serge videos
Your physiques impressive
Cheers mate 🍻
Excellent bodybuilder/topic! love your narration and delivery/editing on your videos 👍 i liked the inclusion of b-roll of your workouts and sharing your experience combined with classic info.
Cheers mate. I'm shy at inserting myself into my vids - especially juxtaposed against someone as awesome we Nubret, but I thought it would be helpful to relate my own experiences with the method, rather than just pumping out just another Pump Training vid.
@@carvedouttastone i loved the combination - edutainment. The message goes down like candy👍 you've got the physique to pair along side a vid about Serge.
My goal, knowing reality, has always been to look like i could've been one of those guys you'd see in the background on stage in pics from the 70s. Like a decent 70s pro also-ran. I'd say you're a fair bit more muscular than those also rans who DID stand on stage with Serge 💪 you can be proud of what you've built! But, i appreciate your humility all the same, lol. Respect
@ultimateformulations hey thank mate that makes my day. As an older guy I won't say die just yet. Keep up your own good work mate.
Really. Nubret should have / could have won Mr Olympia multiple times.
Incredibile video, I tend to start training in this fashion every time summer comes. Thanks for the insights
You're welcome mate and thanks for that very kind feedback on the vid!
Very well done!
Thank you mate. Really appreciate the kind feedback
Brilliant video and a great explanation of this method of training, so many different types of physique back then. Watching pumping iron and reading iron man articles inspired me to compete.
Really appreciate the kind words of support. Watching Pumping Iron and the mags back in the day inspired me to follow the same journey.
Great vid once again mate, keep em coming!
Cheers mate. Definitely loved revisiting this topic from a training perspective
Great video, great footage
Cheers mate! ❤️💪
Brilliant video, thanks COS.
Thank you for leaving a comment. Really appreciate it mate
Great video explaining the intuitive approach
Thanks for the lovely message. Means a lot
This is a great video man, Well done.
I hope the younger guys try Serge's training, If they do, I'm sure they will stay away from the circle jerk 'science' community
Really glad you enjoyed it mate as there's a million serge nubret pump training vids out there but I wanted to come at things from a slightly different angle. Definitely agree, more guys need to look back to what worked in the past compared to what's failing to work in the present
How much do you guys care about adding weight and progressing with reps? I don't do Segre's training exactly but I do higher volume with rest periods between 30 and 60 seconds, maybe 90 with chins. I'm maybe to used to the previous style of training I used where I was trying to add reps at every working set I did. Now when I do for example 4 sets of an exercise and the last training was 4x12,12,10,10, I try to add at least one rep (12,12,11,10) but the progression is slow this way and sometimes I even add no rep as the volume is high. Is it a concern or is it normal? Do you focus on tracking your reps at all?
@@krystofodehnal9448 I try to add reps, increase the weight or decrease the rest times personally and I won't aim for that across all exercises. I might put the other body parts on maintenance (just get the sets and reps done with consistent weight) but for 1-2 body parts I'll push the above variables. I'll also take the last set to all out screaming failure to really nail down the effective reps so that they're not all just warm up sets
Serge Nubret was a God) of harmony and simmetry. Also he had incredible mass of muscles althogh hadn't worked with huge weights.
I think some of the comments about light weight making you weak can be partially mitigated by using heavier weights and partial movements.
For sure. Strength is specific, but light weights also helps build up that all important tendon and ligament strength while giving the nervous system a break from my repeated smack downs.
An amazing video and a great tribute to Nubret. The pump training does make sense in terms of recovery. Imagine a river of blood cursing through your body repairing and rejuvinating. Most therapeutic strategies use the concept of increasing blood flow to aid repair. I wonder how it compares to the PHA training that Bob Gadja popularised and whether it would have a similar effect. BTW You have an impressive physique. You walk your talk.
Yes I thought it was similar to PHA also. Interestingly Bruce Lee liked PHA as well. Thanks for the praise regarding my physique. Knock on wood, blessed with no injuries at this age due to strategically knowing how to manage my training and Serge's methods have proven very useful in that regard
Health Is Your Greatest Wealth
Dan Lurie
Never underestimate the motivational power of venturing the unknown. Bodybuilders of the Golden Era had that edge.
Great point. They definitely made something out of nothing and kept the excuses out of the growth equation
Thanks for this video.
His horse meat diet was interesting and unusual…. Incredible front shots … just the legs and back sadly let him down;)
Great footage, thanks
His legs looked really good pre pumping iron, but never saw them to the same level again. Thanks always Eric
@@carvedouttastone Same can be said for Arnolds legs.
his legs were perfect to me. crazy v taper with sleek legs
Although I've mainly stuck to abbreviated training, I've often taken long breaks between the tough WOs and done very short pump WOs every day and it works great. Despite long periods of illness I've lost zero size and very little strength, and the strength lost is on lifts I haven't been doing. 100% natural not that I judge those who use. Bottom line as you said is to always keep an open mind. Developing intuition takes time but intuitive training is great. I hate dogma. It all works if you know when and how to apply it. Great video.
Thanks that's exactly the intent behind this video and glad to hear that you've also stumbled/discovered upon something similar. I've alyws been an abbreviated advocate as well, but switching it up strategically is a great way to milk the benefits of multiple styles of training
So the high volume is to be introduced when the high intensity heavy duty stuff begins to stagnate and fry the nervous system?.
My anotomical composition seems to respond to a mix of the two. The one thing i derived from the old schoolers was to always listen to whats innate to you and negate the exogenous convention of life.
I like to do one exercise that actually works for at least 5 to 7 sets including two all out heavy war sets, but the leading up sets are over 15 reps and short rests. At this point the heavier sets dont feel as heavy as you have engineered your reaponse to withstand that load, and then i drop set. After this, i pick another exercise, but this is mainly to stretch out that attacked muscle. It's a mix of the two styles, but i feel it won't work forever, so ill definitely be trying the high volume lower weight soon 🙏🙏😇
This was a very well put together clip and intelligently explained 👏
Shawn thankyou for another awesome video
You're welcome. I loved making this one and will probably do some more training related content
I came across the concept of volumizing from Alexander bromley; I was going too ask if you think it would be prudent too do 3-4 sets for a week or two first and then slowly ramp up the volume too get accustomed with Serge's programme
First, I don't like Alexander Bromley - the guy wouldn't know an original idea if it bit him in his fat a$$
Second, don't overcomplicate it. Do the program as set as that's how it's designed to work. Yes, the volume recommendations are mostly arbitrary, but roll with it as written to see how you respond before changing it into something it's not.
Once you've run through it in it's original inception, then you have room to wiggle in regards to changes.
So, long story short, stop listening to Anthony Bromley
Thanks for the quick reply and noted.
@chandansimms9167 anytime mate
I believe intermittent fasting Serge Nubret did and high volume got him the look. I do this twice a week and 2 meals a day. Yes light weight not joint problems. 45:min then stop. Take a sprinters physique compared to a long distance runner a sprinter has the best body
Very true. Good points you made there
Much appreciated
Pump training with little rest is very effective, and if you are doing lots of sets its a very nice workout
Absolutely. It's great fun and as much as I like hard, heavy, high intensity workouts, I look forward to switching to this kind of training for a break and new form of stimulus
Excellent video
Thanks always for checking in Jim
Well done!👍
Cheers mate. Hopefully it was informative and entertaining
@@carvedouttastone A great message for the young kids. Hopefully some will listen.
Best gains I have are with 8 sets of 8, 15 seconds rest, 10 exercises. 80 sets in 60 minutes.
It definitely works a treat and most people dismiss it because it's not "evidence based" 🤦♂️
With 5kg dumbbells?
Vince Gironda had the 8×8 routine with only 15 seconds rest between sets. You would complete dozens of sets in around 45 minutes. In the beginning you wouldn't be able to lift as heavy due to the limited rest between sets but eventually you would be lifting just as heavy as you were with the conventional 1 to 2 minutes rest. I don't know how Serge could train for 12 hours a day. I knew he would train with high volume but 12 hours. Not saying he didn't. Then you get guys like Victor Richards that according to Larry Pollock would take up to 10 minutes rest between sets and spend 90 % of gym time socializing, yet looked damn impressive. Maybe not as cut but impressive nonetheless. Imagine if most bodybuilders devoted as much time to experimenting with training routines as they did with PEDs. Mike Mattatazo mentioned this in an interview after he got sick saying as a bodybuilder he never really experimented with training methods or routines just sticking to the same training and diet throughout his career but was always experimenting with different PEDs and their dosages. I think if more bodybuilders took this type of approach with little rest combined with high volume and numerous exercises they would benefit more in the long run as the moderate weights lessens the chance of injury. I will,definitely try this approach, I kinda do to a certain extent but take more rest with compound exercises. I'll go a bit lighter and see how I go. Thanks.
Love the points and input you've made here. As usual, the gold is in the comments like these. Cheers for taking the time to relate that Stefan.
Great video!
Thank you for leaving a comment and watching!
Awesome video
Thanks for the comment mate. Glad you enjoyed it
Do you think pump training can gives you more glygogen sarcoplasmic Hypertrophy?
You can't train specifically for sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, it's just a transient part of the muscle growth process
Big dude.. all the way big dude... 🎵 bah-bah-bah🎶
"He's got a beautiful body man...First time I every see somebody with arms 23 inches." 😂😂
Good video
Thank you I'm really glad you liked it and I appreciate the comment and feedback :-)
I remember the mystery surrounding his death. Think he was preparing for a guest posing slot at an upcoming show and fell into a coma. Remember thinking if insulin usage was a contributory factor...
That's interesting. You may be onto something there...
Do you think pump training is an effective long term (used for years at a time) approach to build muscle?
Did you watch the video?
@@carvedouttastone Yes, I watched the whole thing.
You mentioned it was a great break and restorative between heavier lifting routines (possibly swapping back and forth). My question is coming from a younger person hoping to be in the game for a long time and reducing damage done to the body through heavier lifting.
If that was answered and I missed it, I apologize, I’ll rewatch it again. By the way, love your videos!
@@mdguitar00 no worries mate. Yes, sorry I wasn't meaning to be rude, but slipped back into primary school teacher mode there for a second 😂
Yes, it's something you can use over time as long as you're log booking your sessions and improving slowly over time.
It breaks up the beat down of high intensity blocks and allows you to easily transmute the "gains" from those blocks into dedicated hypertrophy periods via less taxing volume sessions
no worries, I get it 😁 (I’ve also taught primary school - I can relate lol). Thanks for the feedback, loving your work mate.
Yeah it is very effective. It's pretty much the way I've always trained and still train that way to this day. If you're a natural trainer such as myself most likely your body will recover from lighter weights quicker allowing you to get more training sessions in per week
Back then they all did some kind of higher rep volume pump work to sculpt the body but that won't get you big, you need to build the meat first.
Not entirely true. Arnold trained extremely high volume for hours at a time using volume - same with Mentzer as I just heard Ed Connors mention "him and ray trained hours at a time"..
@@carvedouttastone Firstly are we using Arnold and other genetic elites as a measuring stick for the rest of us? 99% of the rest of the world isn't going to be able to do what Arnold and other elites did and grow the same or even close to it, secondly Arnold was using PEDs much earlier than most people think and third Arnold was doing strength work in his early day, he trained at strength clubs, he completed in strength competitions, volume absolutely has a place in anyone's training but it won't build (majority of people) real mass
@@robbo8074 you used the words "back then".so, as Serge was a contemporary of Arnold's, why wouldn't we be talking about that era of guys
Have you had any positive experience with Gironda rest intervals with his 8x8 routine
With smaller body parts or isolation exercises, but not with body parts like legs, back and chest or corresponding compounds. I take at least a minute for those which I think is better than 30 seconds . Evidence for hypertrophy trends towards larger rest periods, but I don't think those periods need to be 3-5 mins as recommended
@@carvedouttastone thanks for the reply I appreciate it. Not sure if your familiar with another RUclips channel
Called natty life but both of your channels have really helped me with my fitness knowledge. I’m going too research more into Alexander zass and his training with isometrics for strength.
Do you do this workout with Carnivore? Has that affected your performance or recovery?
Those photos accompanying the video is when I was doing VERY STRICT (zero deviation) carnivore
He looked better than arnold.
I tried his system for 6 weeks and didnt work for me. I got weaker and smaller
Thanks for the feedback Steve
@carvedouttastone great vid as usual mate. Lot of unseen footage 👌
Of course. No mechanical tension = no growth. Literally impossible to build any meaningful amount of muscle with this method as a natural trainee. The creator of the video is himself on test and therefore oblivious to the fact that training like this would never work for naturals.
@@adam-lt8iy I think it's just different strokes for different folks. Or genetically gifted guys like Nubret would grow doing any system. I reckon Arnold would have grown using Mentzers system and vice versa. By the way I wasn't natty when I tried nubrets system. Still felt like I barely held on to the muscle i had or maybe even lost some despite busting my ass for 6 weeks. Just wasn't for me. I have noticed that for me I need a lot more rest than working out 6 days a week, even with a split system. So these days I train EOD at most. But I work a 9-5 so maybe that's a factor as well.
Adam - I talked to Tony Freeman and him,.Robby Robinson,.Bill Grant and many of the old school guys used this training even before and when they weren't on drugs. If you're going to whine about how only genetically gifted or only drug users can get results from such and such a program, you're never gonna make it bro. No mechanical tension, lol c'mon, really??
Wakanda forever
Haha nice catch
Serge nubret devait être MR OLYMPIA un juge en a décider autrement
Great pumps. Fun training. Lost all my strength.
Id agree that low rep, heavy weight strength may dip temporarily due to specificity, but the bonus of allowing some systemic recovery and the benefits of this training on joints etc, will definitely help you rebound once you switch back to intensity style training again
It would be shocking to see Serge at his best on-stage with the current champs. One look at him and we would ask ourselves, "Where did we go wrong?"
100% agree with that assessment. I think Serge would look more like Andrew Jacked or Samson Dauda given these days practises and pharmacology
Irse a vivir al gimnasio no es el enfoque que me gusta, hay más en la vida que las pesas, a pesar que siempre he considerado a Nubret como uno de los mejores hasta hoy.
Love ya content mate. Can you make another carnivore vid or update? Cheers
Thanks Nathan. Yes I was planning to do another carnivore vid and also interview Shawn baker and Bart Kay. Are there any topics you'd like me to touch on for my next carnivore vid?
@@carvedouttastone Cheers for the reply. I watched your original vid almost a year ago now and finally decided to go for it. Today is day 2. Gonna give it a go for 30 days and see the results, then go from there. Not really any topics off the top of my head. Maybe the different stages and what to expect? Such as the carnivore flu and maybe some more meal suggestions. Also do you do blood work at all?
@nathancad I did a meals vid and I put some of my blood work in. Didn't really experience carnivore flu or anything. I'll keep it in mind and think about what I can talk about with about vid. Cheers mate
@@carvedouttastone Id like to know their opinion on high cholesterol and types of cholesterol. Ive noticed a lot of carnivore talk about having high cholesterol. Do they think its a worry or nothing to worry about. Also, porterhouse vs ribeye. Which one is better for carnivore, or does it matter? Cheers
@@nathancad not speaking as a doctor, but cholesterol isn't the age old villain it was made out to be. There's more factors involved in heart health than that and dietary cholesterol is vital to optimal health and crucial for Bodybuilding. Ribeye vs porterhouse - probably splitting hairs. I can't afford either, so I just opt for the cheapest cuts or 85 per cent mince :-)
Great video but I have to correct you. Serge said he did every set to failure by putting the weight he wanted on the bar with his mind. The average person can't understand what that means, but he did train to failure. I've done some of his routines, and unless you train with ferocious intensity, you'll just be pumping the muscles and get little to no growth.
I spoke to Tony Pearson who lived and trained with serge and he said failure was incidental - not deliberate. They rarely trained to failure and that's not how he communicated this program
@@carvedouttastone Well every set to failure is what Serge said out of his own mouth. I’ll go with that
@@frommeatheadtomeatless8156 lol ok bro you do you 😂😂😂
nice
well, I guess if it was your job you could do pump training ala Serge, but most people dont have time for this time consuming style of training..
The principles they certainly could though..a short morning workout to invigorate followed by another short workout at night is no tall order, even for a working man. A working man with 6 kids,.that's probably a different story, but you choose your own level of investment with anything at the end of the day
Surge Nubret was sculpted marble and Arnold was a slab of concrete.
You could even say, they were "carved Outta stone"
When you stopped this Training Style and Go Back to Higher intensity, can you hold the muscle fullness?
I think you ask too many questions and just need to find out for yourself. N=1 is interesting, but I find your questions are along the same lines of "when you ate the chocolate, cake, did you like it with sprinkles or with icing" IOW - my experience is a generalisation and an individual one at that. It's not going to translate to your experience necessarily
@@carvedouttastone IT was more a question what your experience was. My english IS Not the best.
9:13 yep .lmao
I inserted a few tongue in cheek moments throughout - glad you picked up on it ;-)
Nice vtaperd physique ❤❤
Didn't think that he took steroids he looked so lean and weren't as big as arnold, Sergio and Lou
He was a big user - some of my previous vids go deep into his reported use
@@carvedouttastone oh then why didn't he get bigger? must be genetics and if i'm correct he went OMAD on season 450-500 G white rice and 5 lbs horse meat insane
The problem with "science" is that there are too many variables with regard to training and muscle building. Setting up a study just cannot really definitively conclude anything because there are always other factors that just cannot be universally applied. Genetics, nutrition, rest, recovery, experience, form, intensity, supplements....it goes on and on
Which is why Jamie Lewis equivocates exercise science to something basically the same as garbage and why i say that anyone who says the words "well, research shows..
" Is a fkn.nonce
Serge Nubret, Francis Benfatto
Yay I love videos about your training ❤🎉 cool videos of Serge 😎
Thank you my love 😘
Once you’re able too do 10x12 how do you know when too progress and increase the weight if that’s alright of me too ask
You're not doing 10 x 12. You're doing sets of 12 but it might be 8 sets for bench and 6 sets for leg extension.
If you hit all sets of 12 you can add a small increment depending on the exercise. 5lbs for bench,.or.next plate on the stack if it's a machine.
What I like to do is ramp my weights up and go all out on the last 2-3 sets and try to improve over time on those 2-3 hard final sets per exercise.
Yeah I remember just didn’t want too have to type a lot. What do you think of Leroy colberts and Vince girondas workout methods
@chandansimms9167 I remember but I don't want to type a lot
@@carvedouttastone 😂
He ate 5 pounds of horse meat a day
How many horses were slaughtered to feed this man's quest for the perfect physique?
This is the conjugate method
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Merci beaucoup
Rule nr 1 is you have to enjoy doing it or you wont do it much and that goes for everything in life,hit only works for me if i bulk up but i am no longer 20 y old so i chose health over size specially since it is a hobby,feels rather stupid to destroy your body/health in your free time and then be sore as hell.
Serge didnt use Methamphetamine 😂...he used good old Amphetamine (Speed) which is much weaker and predictable
Good video though
@@DG-EditsYT thank you. Do you know the exact name of the stimulant he used because I couldn't track it on the name that I've heard/read elsewhere
@@carvedouttastone Yes Amphetamine types: possibly Dexamphetamine or Levoamphetamine, these are still used today for medical purposes, however there are other Amphetamines or even Stimulant like Benzedrine
They were discovered as a drug in the 1920s, that's info online, they were made years before this but not used as a drug yet
Remember back when Serge was young you could walk into a Drug store and buy stimulants which were marketed to help for many reason (in Germany you could buy legitimate Methamphetamine (Pervitin) like headache pills in the late 1930s and they were used in WW2, also Methamphetamine is still available as a medication today called Desoxyn (for Adhd) this is how I know a little bit about the amphetamines and stimulants
You prob know the steroids being available like a supplement from a doctor or stories of a tub/pot of Dianabol in gyms on the counters and people used to eat them like sweets literally
Yes Amphetamines lol, also he liked certain Thyroid drugs for increasing calorie burning/fat loss, same as many bodybuilders@@carvedouttastone
@@carvedouttastone yes amphetamine (speed) a few other guys who knew him referring to it as speed
2000 set ups a DAY
Not sure about the golden era physiques being better than modern day,their legs were sub par , over sized chests and generally smaller triceps.
You're judging them by modern criteria. On an aesthetic basis - heck, even using comparisons to the ancient golden mean - the golden era physiques are considered "better" than the modern day calamities.
@@carvedouttastone don't agree at all,yes there's some bad physiques now but there was then too .
@@darrenburke9630 no shit. That's not what the argument is tho is it? You love the physiques of today. Good for you. I don't give a shit. Make a video about it arguing your point. That's not what this video's focus is
@@carvedouttastone are you saying Franco Colombo is better than Michael krizo? You're tripping
@@carvedouttastone the arguement was old school high volume training benefitted physiques,I'm saying that's not true If we take a a look at golden era physiques having multiple body parts missing.
His legs were just too weak. Especially his calves. If they had been on the same level as his upper body , he would have been unavoidable.
In that pre Pumping iron pic in 75 his legs looked great. But it was consistent with the 70s aesthetic to have smaller legs in general
His lower body was lacking.
Everyone's lower body was lacking back then. Legs weren't a focus
@@carvedouttastone Lou were 3 inches taller than Arnold and had huge quads and Sergio had big quads
Learn what is Aesthetic kid
For his time, no. For our time, yes. Are his legs bigger than yours? Yes.
I THINK THERE IS LOT OF CREATINE AND NO FAT IN HORSE MEAT
Most definitely
MORE NATURAL CREATINE IN HORSE MEAT THAN BEEF MEAT. THE SECRET..IM SURE