Surveying: Turning The Perfect Right Angle

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  • Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
  • Hi all! In this video I'm going to show you how to turn the perfect right angle and share a bulletproof technique for eliminating your instruments inherent angular error using the "Angle Angle Distance" method.
    Using Conventional equipment to achieve unconventional accuracy. (3 of 3)
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Комментарии • 84

  • @phil_boucher
    @phil_boucher 2 года назад +26

    As a young surveyor who only ever worked with robotic TS, I find these high precision conventional methods really interesting ! Thank you

    • @Violentwave6
      @Violentwave6 Год назад +1

      Ever chained before? Lol

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  7 месяцев назад +1

      You’ll notice a lot of these methods are geared for grid line layout including inside buildings going vertical. Many surveyors working in the civil world (not all of course) don’t go inside the building once the outer grid lines offsets have been established. These methods detail tight tolerance work where points and angles must truly align. For many civil based tasks this is too high a level of effort, but for interior grid lines, machinery and assembly install with unforgiving tolerances, this is the whiz bam snappy.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  7 месяцев назад

      @@Violentwave6 call me on my “Nextel”

    • @phil_boucher
      @phil_boucher 7 месяцев назад

      @@Violentwave6 can't say I have ! EDM was in common use before I was born hahaha

    • @phil_boucher
      @phil_boucher 7 месяцев назад

      @@leansurvey8212 absolutely ! Thank you for sharing your knowledge. To paraphrase what a wise surveyor once told me (forgive the language) :
      "F***ing a fly doesn't require the same precision as f***ing an elephant."

  • @marcusshemm5580
    @marcusshemm5580 3 года назад +12

    Brings me back to my early days...layout out buildings/structures/conveyor systems using a Wild T16 theodolite & steel tapes. Turn a 90 and pull a chain as simple as it gets. Accurate and precise as heck tho.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  3 года назад +1

      Great memories.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  7 месяцев назад

      Great comment. “Accurate and precise as heck”. There aren’t every day, every task practices- these are the precise as heck when its the right time practices.

    • @Jack-ne8vm
      @Jack-ne8vm 4 месяца назад

      Adjust tape for heat & sag..

    • @JBLewis
      @JBLewis Месяц назад

      I worked in the field back in the mid '90s, and there are hundreds of houses in Columbus, OH that were laid out with a T16 and a (fiberglass) tape. Different crew chiefs had different procedures, but the younger guys would do the COGO math up front, locate the front of the house projected to the side property line the house sat parallel to, set up there (because it simplified the math), and "spray out" the corners. To check, after setting all the hubs, you'd measure around, corner to corner to corner to make sure there weren't any blunders.
      Right at the end of my time in the field, the firm bought some lightweight construction total stations, and I think even started providing the layout data right from CAD.
      More often though, I was on the crews that were doing the initial boundary and topo work of a subdivision. It got exciting when you were laying out sanitary lines just a day before the excavators were digging them!

  • @armorvestrus4119
    @armorvestrus4119 2 года назад +2

    Very nice demo finally someone shows something useful imagine that. Thumbs up.

  • @alejandromagno1454
    @alejandromagno1454 6 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the professionalism and knowledge. I am new to this and was wondering how I should go about learning more. I want to apply for a job as a layout engineer and Im really hoping I can get an idea as to where I should start. I want to be like you when I grow up 😅

  • @abidshah2999
    @abidshah2999 Год назад +1

    Thank you very much sir you are doing very well. We are learning a lot from them.❤

  • @joeltousignant6318
    @joeltousignant6318 Год назад +1

    That's impressive surveying!

  • @PracticeMakePerfectMuslim93
    @PracticeMakePerfectMuslim93 6 месяцев назад +1

    nice great step to the best angle 90 degree ❤

  • @ryanmcgowan3061
    @ryanmcgowan3061 11 месяцев назад +1

    One thing missing is closing the rectangle and measuring the error. The distance measurements will never be perfect due to atmospheric variation, but that can be mitigated if you set up over one of the hubs and check that closing angle. In this scenario, I'd split the distances to get a perfect 90°.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed! This video does not discuss closing the figure, just angular adjustment. Many surveyors and field engineers also choose to calculate and measure the diagonal across their square to check their overall results, while others check the closing angle as you described. All excellent methods. Know your task tolerances and do everything in your power to ensure your work is ready for the challenge.

    • @ryanmcgowan3061
      @ryanmcgowan3061 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@leansurvey8212I think a good mental image is be aware of any time you're accumulating errors as you go, and have a way to measure that error to confirm tolerances, or adjust accordingly.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад

      Excellent!

  • @Jack-ne8vm
    @Jack-ne8vm 4 месяца назад +1

    nice chainman rings could be tack holders!

  • @nickm.1244
    @nickm.1244 3 года назад +1

    Looking forward to more content.

  • @atown4428
    @atown4428 2 года назад +1

    This was very well presented. Great work.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  2 года назад

      Thank you!

    • @yellwing
      @yellwing Год назад

      Nice, never thought surveying youtube vids can be so cool!

  • @AzharPsas93
    @AzharPsas93 5 месяцев назад

    Looking forward learning surveyor❤

  • @tambaurorastation756
    @tambaurorastation756 3 года назад +1

    Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

  • @elcuate1100
    @elcuate1100 2 года назад

    Thank you for sharing, your videos and content are verry helpfull.

  • @PracticeMakePerfectMuslim93
    @PracticeMakePerfectMuslim93 7 месяцев назад

    i hope they make more content on how to use land surveyor equiqment 😊

  • @kherrera2009
    @kherrera2009 Месяц назад

    Can you please do a video of how to figure the height of an object using a theodolite. 🙏

  • @projectkonstantine8062
    @projectkonstantine8062 Год назад +1

    im starting as a apprentice surveyor this june. but i have no clue what i have to do...

  • @luisramos2521
    @luisramos2521 2 года назад +3

    Awesome I really learned a lot, how can this be done a a robotic instrument if I’m layout axis line and points?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  2 года назад +2

      I don’t recommend use of a robotic total station for work which involves turning fine angles, as it is never looking at the ground. It always tracks the prism. If you are occupying the instrument and setting and re-setting your backsight- you might as well be using a conventional instrument.

  • @coolspiritministries
    @coolspiritministries 2 года назад +3

    Impossible to measure within 0.005’. You are using the mean of your angles. Do you measure the diagonals?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад +1

      Your individual instrument specifications will tell you to what repeatable distance your instrument will measure. If an instrument claims 0.005’ as some current total stations do, you will still see each measurement bouncing around in that 0.005’ ballpark. This video primarily discusses adjusting angle, there is a subsequent video regarding adjusting distances, points along a baseline, and double averaging your distances to achieve results at or better than that 0.005 specification.

    • @benniedonald
      @benniedonald 28 дней назад

      Talk about splitting hairs. Lol 😆 🤣 😂

  • @bdm3052
    @bdm3052 4 месяца назад

    After you strike the hub on face 2 90 where do you set the rod? On the strike from face 1, 2, or in the center? Since you didn’t change your zero after striking the hub on face 2 your line would be off if you set the rod in the center or on face 1 strike?

  • @Violentwave6
    @Violentwave6 Год назад

    I can’t believe I never thought of this! Everyone pray for my Rodman as I do a 50 point traverse(through the swamp) with this method😈😈

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад +2

      I’ll even pour out a shot for him. This video relates primarily to building grid line layout. If y’all are putting a building in the swamp, be sure that your alligator ramps are built to ADA slope spec! the only thing worse than being bit by an alligator is being sued by one.

    • @Robinpowellsvideos
      @Robinpowellsvideos 9 месяцев назад

      Lol! When I started, we would traverse using hubs and tacks through a swamp with a K&E mechanical transit, doubling each angle and measurements were made with a 100' steel tape measure using plumb bobs and chaining pins. The front man put down the pins and the rear man picked them up and placed them on a collector ring that was worn on his belt. Counting the chaining pins collected was how the total distance was determined.

  • @geocentrictruth
    @geocentrictruth 3 месяца назад +1

    Just a quick question, what exactly is the meaning of "accuracy" on a theodolite manual. To be specific the Futtura Dt10 states accuracy 20" 10" it was written exactly like that with a couple of spaces between 20 and 10.. thats mostly feet they are referring to right?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  3 месяца назад

      Can you email me at brandonm@elevateconstructionist.com?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  2 месяца назад

      a short answer here however is that each reading has up to 20” of a degree of variance- so if you turn or observe an angle of 90-00-00, you might actually be looking at 90-00-20 or 89-59-40. You don’t know which, and you don’t even know if it’s the full 20 seconds.. you just know the instrument only warrants its accuracy to that level. At 100’, being off 20 seconds is about 0.01’ of error. At 200’ its double that error, at 300’ its triple, and so on. In other words, they know the construction of the theodolite isn’t perfect, but its at least better that 20 seconds perfect. Make sense?

  • @irfantech5421
    @irfantech5421 Год назад

    Great job 👍

  • @tatadavidtibi8865
    @tatadavidtibi8865 2 года назад

    I love it

  • @allennaik4434
    @allennaik4434 7 месяцев назад

    Thankyou

  • @Stan-cb1vs
    @Stan-cb1vs 2 года назад +1

    Great video! If you had two man crew and set over one know point, would it be faster to stake out all the corners using the stake out option on a non robot total station if you already had your points uploaded? Any accuracy difference?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  2 года назад +5

      It would be faster, but would likely fail the required tolerance. With this conventional method, errors are kept to less than 0.005’. With a robot, no angular check, not sighting the ground and a typically high rod lots of error is introduced quickly- easily utilizing the entire 1/4” tolerance for grid line layout. Remember, our intent is to never use more than half of the available tolerance for a task because everyone who comes after us has less precise tools and will introduce their own errors.

    • @emmanuelomolayo3980
      @emmanuelomolayo3980 Год назад +2

      ​@@leansurvey8212 believe digital instruments and robotic instruments have their advantages over conventional method. However, small prism of 100mm can be used to minimized error and increase the accuracy in order to get the expect tolerance.

    • @atanlodeadedoyin6404
      @atanlodeadedoyin6404 Год назад +1

      ​@@emmanuelomolayo3980is there robotic TS equipped with prism of 100mm size in market yet?

    • @emmanuelomolayo3980
      @emmanuelomolayo3980 Год назад +1

      @@atanlodeadedoyin6404 it always comes with Total station

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  7 месяцев назад +1

      @@emmanuelomolayo3980 the prism helps, but items like rod plumb (motion), the accuracy of your rod bubble itself, the height of your rod all factor in. I really love the “low to the ground” prism concept for tight tolerance work. Remember, just because the instrument display says its good, if we’re not looking at the point of the rod where it meets the ground we only know that the prism is in the right spot, not the work.

  • @prukutkin
    @prukutkin 2 года назад +1

    How you take the shot from que Telescope? I have a Channel about the same topic in spanish and want to film de view from the telescope.

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  2 года назад

      I have fabricated a mount in some cases and used a filter overlay to highlight the crosshairs in other videos. Best of luck!

  • @CharlieTratchebayoganKingBayog
    @CharlieTratchebayoganKingBayog 5 месяцев назад

    Is that expensive? How much is that kind of compass??

  • @mohanbabupm5778
    @mohanbabupm5778 Год назад

    Best expln

  • @RicardoAlexander-xl7dc
    @RicardoAlexander-xl7dc Год назад

    I found this video/info very interesting.

  • @SAIDSAID-bg6om
    @SAIDSAID-bg6om Год назад

    Please can you explain how did you get 270° after measure 90° by the time ?

    • @user-ic3fe3dk5z
      @user-ic3fe3dk5z Год назад +2

      He turned to the left on the second point, one full rotation is 360 degrees if you subtract 90 you get 270

  • @garnerbailey1034
    @garnerbailey1034 Год назад

    When will anything ever be built this precise?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад

      The surveyor is the first person to touch a task and likely has the most precise available equipment of the project site. With that understanding, we can assume that every subsequent person to touch the task will add their own degree of error. Thats why we’re shooting for a near perfect start. A good rule of thumb is for the surveyor or field engineer to use up no more than 1/2 of the total task tolerance. When prefabricated steel beams, glass storefront installations or assembly line components arrive (with their own imperfections of course) the more effort poured into the layout mitigating task tolerance, the more likely the project will avoid the cost and delay of sending components back or tearing out and adjusting to match. I sure wouldn’t layout curb like this, and most civil tasks have even looser tolerances.. but there is always a correct time and place for tight tolerance work.

  • @larrykluckoutdoors8227
    @larrykluckoutdoors8227 5 месяцев назад

    👍👍👍

  • @viscourtroy
    @viscourtroy 11 месяцев назад

    Won't you take the positive and the negative face to take average bearing?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, this video refers to them as Face 1 and Face 2. Remember though, the total station measures angles from a reference point, it does not measure bearing. Bearing is a known measurement from north or south.

  • @kherrera2009
    @kherrera2009 Год назад

    What instrument are you using in this video?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад +1

      This is a Sokkia IM 100, it is a 1 second total station, and an extreme key solid piece of equipment to work with. From a cost standpoint the 2 second version is more affordable and these methods or angular correction work just the same for either.

  • @limitless1430
    @limitless1430 Год назад

    Where did to purchase the knee pad?

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  7 месяцев назад

      Home Depot, I just make sure it has two straps, one above the knee joint and one below. Also I prefer flexible pads so they give when they hit the ground instead of being inflexible and forcing the pad to move all over.

  • @norvellabente-desabajabuil3289
    @norvellabente-desabajabuil3289 7 месяцев назад

    hi what is the model of the prism or brand please

  • @MortezaEzadipanah
    @MortezaEzadipanah День назад

    It is a very low and down level in surveying

  • @vi-sky
    @vi-sky Год назад

    Поверхность воды на 10km плоская?

    • @LBNNN1
      @LBNNN1 Год назад

      нет 0.005" ниже 😂

  • @HaregTerefe
    @HaregTerefe 7 месяцев назад

    How to find RL

  • @OumarouMora
    @OumarouMora 8 месяцев назад

    0:31 bonsoir

  • @youraftab5410
    @youraftab5410 Год назад

    perpendicular angle are not same respectively

  • @sanjibchandra7644
    @sanjibchandra7644 Год назад

    How to get 90 degree with dgps?

    • @ianj5423
      @ianj5423 4 месяца назад

      You don't.

  • @coolspiritministries
    @coolspiritministries 2 года назад +1

    The perfect 90 is impossible. You can be close but never perfect. Exact doesn’t exist in surveying . Sincerely Lee Allen Schroeder PLS

    • @leansurvey8212
      @leansurvey8212  10 месяцев назад

      Aim small, miss small. If my philosophy is striving for perfection, my product will always be on its improvement path and I’ll always be aware of that fact that instrument capabilities, equipment and human errors must be considered, addressed and factored out of my work. The goal of Lean Survey is to standardize striving for perfection, and promote technique that pushes the needle in that direction rather than the industry acceptance of ‘good enough’. Thank you Lee.