From the archives, a film looking at the realsitic battle damage training given to Royal Navy crews that has helped to svae ships and lives in recent conflicts.
Plus they have enough 'softness' to mould quite well to jagged steel when whacked in, possibly making them less likely to be forced out like corks with pressure?
I did the older static simulator while staying at HMS Raleigh with Sea Cadets in the 1980s absolutely brilliant, spool forward to 2009 I owned a 37ft sailing yacht - I went to close the 2" valve from the sink through the hull overboard and due to galvanic corrosion the entire valve broke off in my hand I see green daylight and 2" rope of water coming into my yacht. What I learned as a kid I had put into practice - all my yachts even boats I have a damage control satchel but tailored for small boats (e.g. epoxy putty, 5 min epoxy, fibreglass tape, duct tape, cable ties, ) but I still have chocks and bungs. EVERY through hull valve on my boat I had tied a wooden bung hanging from the valve. - I stopped the leak in seconds then got the DC satchel - used a mallet to know it in then epoxy and tape to make a semi permanent fix to get me to the yacht repairers and hauled out. Thanks RN your training saved my yacht.
Opening scenes remind me of the time I offered to install a shower at my mother-in-law's house and to do a few small plumbing jobs. Thankfully she has never invited me back since then.
Did this in 1980, my Fleet Air Arm course was fixated on flying, everything else was merely a task to complete. We sank Havoc in record time, being watched by Brazillian Navy top brass, and had the temerity to celebrate as if we had won the prize much to the chagrin of the staff. Went to war 2 years later and often thought back at the folly of youth ( was 19 at the time ). Maturity, at any age, is a rare commodity. My very belated respect for the professionalism of the staff of Havoc.
mattandandyshowreel It's a film we're very familiar with in the RCN. DC is part of my trade, was an instructor at our East Coast school system one time.. I'm sure shooting was fun.
What happened to the spurge pipes system that uses steam across a ventury tube to pump water out at a rate nearly as fast as it can come in. When serving at the original H.M.S.Raleigh which was the school for engineering in the sixties. Down the road was a placevcalled stoniville which was the school for fire fighting wher they had actual sections of ships and complete tanks of crude oil that was set on fire, we were given hoses and sent in with the instructions not to come out till the fire was out. This was a baptism of fire in the most literal sence , aand was designed to prove that this could be done. I think the course lasted three days of practical fire fighting some of which was quite frightening, but we did it. I went on from there and took another course on starting fires, plus other things. This addition looks like a good safe way to train people but must have cost a lot to build. These days the navy has welded ships, and the metal work is very thin when put up against the likes of a battle class destroyer, and it seems that they cannot withstand any where near the damage that can happen. My grandfzther actually served on the original Raleigh that was sunk off newfoundland, he went through bothe world wars serving in the Navy, and received a whole box full of medals that are now on show at the naval museum, he had i think something like seven or eight ships sunk from under him, so we were very luck as kids to have a grandfather after the war, He wa a very quiet man, and a really good example to us jn just about all lifes subjects, other than he did use some very colourful language at times. I am now as old as he was when he died, but i dont think a day goes by when he is not somewhere in my mind. After having served myself and served during conflicts of much smaller thing than world wars, it still angers me that we still have need of forces of any kind, you would have thought common sense would have played a part in humanities actions, but today is no less troubled by those who think warfare is the answer, i think its because those who think that way are usually those who never have to be involved in the horrors of it outcome, and i truly think that we should have learnt to make sure that at least those so keen should be the first to go with no one allowed to dodge the outcome of their actions in society, much of which from what i have seen starts with lies.
Are there wooden wedges in all compartments of a Ship? Is it really possible to fix a hole by these wedges? I am not a sailor, but it is interesting to know how you can repair a ship in this way
+anisocoro There are things called DC lockers. (Damage Control) that contain different items used to try to save the ship. Hardwood wedges, used for wedging in place "shores" large wooden beams to hold in place pads covering holes, or buckled hatches doors etc. softwood wedges that can be used to plug holes.. these will swell over time, making a more watertight seal. Hammers, lights, wedges, bungs, ... all sorts of stuff in these lockers and they are placed at various parts of the ship depending on what class it is. It's almost impossible to completely plug a gap.. but the idea is to reduce the amount of water coming inboard, so that the ships pumps are not overwhelmed and can ditch over the side, more than what is coming in. you'd think that this is old hat.. but it's a tried and trusted way of doing things. It's very realistic... usually dark until one of the crews manage to restore lighting. All you have is the emergency lighting (from ael's.. automatic emergency lanterns)which is quit dim... the water is very cold and the whole thing is moving. Very often, the most efficient way to get across a compartment is to swim rather than try to walk! There's tannoy calls going on... loud bangs... smoke in some areas..But.. GOSH IT'S FUN! Nobody ever "saves the ship" in this scenario and you are quite apprehensive going in, but I never met anyone who didn't want another go straight away. Also.. the bloke doing the narration in this calls the driu a "dryoo"... it's actually pronounced "droo"
The set-up in Australia is nowhere near as elaborate as this. No hydraulic rocking effect, lighting or sound fx - just something using a hammer on the other side of the bulkhead to simulate an impact. Then again we're very lucky our ships have never sustained battle damage since the 1960s.
No it isn’t commissioned as a ship. It’s a small scale mockup used by the RN to train DC in. It’s not an actual ship it’s just build to resemble and make it realistic for training.
I went inside havoc today! Absolutely amazing. The most fun you can have whilst drowning.
Pine wedges expand as they absorb water.
Plus they have enough 'softness' to mould quite well to jagged steel when whacked in, possibly making them less likely to be forced out like corks with pressure?
I did the older static simulator while staying at HMS Raleigh with Sea Cadets in the 1980s absolutely brilliant, spool forward to 2009 I owned a 37ft sailing yacht - I went to close the 2" valve from the sink through the hull overboard and due to galvanic corrosion the entire valve broke off in my hand I see green daylight and 2" rope of water coming into my yacht.
What I learned as a kid I had put into practice - all my yachts even boats I have a damage control satchel but tailored for small boats (e.g. epoxy putty, 5 min epoxy, fibreglass tape, duct tape, cable ties, ) but I still have chocks and bungs. EVERY through hull valve on my boat I had tied a wooden bung hanging from the valve. - I stopped the leak in seconds then got the DC satchel - used a mallet to know it in then epoxy and tape to make a semi permanent fix to get me to the yacht repairers and hauled out.
Thanks RN your training saved my yacht.
Wow I went to HMS Raleigh a few months ago and we did the same thing as well. Didn't know HMS Raleigh was that old.
Cheers Dits
Opening scenes remind me of the time I offered to install a shower at my mother-in-law's house and to do a few small plumbing jobs. Thankfully she has never invited me back since then.
My apartment has been flooded today's night and when I woke up to the sound of gushing water I instantly remembered this video.
Hull breach, we are taking on water quickly.
Press R
Problem solved sir!
Did this in 1980, my Fleet Air Arm course was fixated on flying, everything else was merely a task to complete. We sank Havoc in record time, being watched by Brazillian Navy top brass, and had the temerity to celebrate as if we had won the prize much to the chagrin of the staff. Went to war 2 years later and often thought back at the folly of youth ( was 19 at the time ). Maturity, at any age, is a rare commodity. My very belated respect for the professionalism of the staff of Havoc.
In the USN we have the "USS BUTTERCUP". It actually sinks until you barely have a few inches of air at the top.
Damage control at it's finest! The rock and rolling adds a whole new dimension!
The pipe squirting water from 2 deck onto the ladder to 3 deck is awesome if you are one of the first down - I did this back in 1991
I wish our DCTF could move like HAVOC does. Excellent video from the RN side of the pond, never tire of watching it.
Glad you like, shooting it was fun!
mattandandyshowreel
It's a film we're very familiar with in the RCN. DC is part of my trade, was an instructor at our East Coast school system one time.. I'm sure shooting was fun.
Oh cooool. My sea cadet group did one of these in Norfolk in the 90s! I remember being super nervous lol
What happened to the spurge pipes system that uses steam across a ventury tube to pump water out at a rate nearly as fast as it can come in.
When serving at the original H.M.S.Raleigh which was the school for engineering in the sixties.
Down the road was a placevcalled stoniville which was the school for fire fighting wher they had actual sections of ships and complete tanks of crude oil that was set on fire, we were given hoses and sent in with the instructions not to come out till the fire was out.
This was a baptism of fire in the most literal sence , aand was designed to prove that this could be done.
I think the course lasted three days of practical fire fighting some of which was quite frightening, but we did it. I went on from there and took another course on starting fires, plus other things.
This addition looks like a good safe way to train people but must have cost a lot to build.
These days the navy has welded ships, and the metal work is very thin when put up against the likes of a battle class destroyer, and it seems that they cannot withstand any where near the damage that can happen.
My grandfzther actually served on the original Raleigh that was sunk off newfoundland, he went through bothe world wars serving in the Navy, and received a whole box full of medals that are now on show at the naval museum, he had i think something like seven or eight ships sunk from under him, so we were very luck as kids to have a grandfather after the war,
He wa a very quiet man, and a really good example to us jn just about all lifes subjects, other than he did use some very colourful language at times. I am now as old as he was when he died, but i dont think a day goes by when he is not somewhere in my mind.
After having served myself and served during conflicts of much smaller thing than world wars, it still angers me that we still have need of forces of any kind, you would have thought common sense would have played a part in humanities actions, but today is no less troubled by those who think warfare is the answer, i think its because those who think that way are usually those who never have to be involved in the horrors of it outcome, and i truly think that we should have learnt to make sure that at least those so keen should be the first to go with no one allowed to dodge the outcome of their actions in society, much of which from what i have seen starts with lies.
I had a chance to have a few goes in one of these. Quite a bit of fun you really get lost in the moment very cold water as well.
Oh? Well they are going for realistic situations.
Just did that last night, great fun.
best draft ever, loved my job on hazard in portsmouth
Damage Repair Instructional Unit.
Damn it, they could have replaced Unit with something that starts with a P
That way it'll be called the DRIP
Brings back mentions don’t want to have of the US Navy equivalent
I always thought HMS Sheffield should have been saved. There was not enough portable fire pumps I understand.
lol @ 6:59 been there done that. Got knock the fk down by that spray too lol
What happened to the one at Phoenix?
I did this a few times ...and i always seemed to end up in the bloody mess deck locker!! lol
What is the water temperature?
North Atlantic, Mid Atlantic, South Atlantic, Carribiean, Pacific, PG, Indian Ocean?
Are there wooden wedges in all compartments of a Ship? Is it really possible to fix a hole by these wedges? I am not a sailor, but it is interesting to know how you can repair a ship in this way
+anisocoro
it is not possible to close all holes completely but the water pumps will do the rest of the work (if all holes are near closed)
+anisocoro There are things called DC lockers. (Damage Control) that contain different items used to try to save the ship. Hardwood wedges, used for wedging in place "shores" large wooden beams to hold in place pads covering holes, or buckled hatches doors etc.
softwood wedges that can be used to plug holes.. these will swell over time, making a more watertight seal.
Hammers, lights, wedges, bungs, ... all sorts of stuff in these lockers and they are placed at various parts of the ship depending on what class it is.
It's almost impossible to completely plug a gap.. but the idea is to reduce the amount of water coming inboard, so that the ships pumps are not overwhelmed and can ditch over the side, more than what is coming in.
you'd think that this is old hat.. but it's a tried and trusted way of doing things.
It's very realistic... usually dark until one of the crews manage to restore lighting. All you have is the emergency lighting (from ael's.. automatic emergency lanterns)which is quit dim... the water is very cold and the whole thing is moving. Very often, the most efficient way to get across a compartment is to swim rather than try to walk! There's tannoy calls going on... loud bangs... smoke in some areas..But.. GOSH IT'S FUN! Nobody ever "saves the ship" in this scenario and you are quite apprehensive going in, but I never met anyone who didn't want another go straight away.
Also.. the bloke doing the narration in this calls the driu a "dryoo"... it's actually pronounced "droo"
I did this same thing in 1973. Most likely a different instruction unit. I don't recall having "wooden wedges" handy for damage control whilst at sea.
In the DC lockers.
The set-up in Australia is nowhere near as elaborate as this. No hydraulic rocking effect, lighting or sound fx - just something using a hammer on the other side of the bulkhead to simulate an impact. Then again we're very lucky our ships have never sustained battle damage since the 1960s.
Just did this about a week ago
Been there done that 😆happy days
Now imagine gaping hole 130mm HE shell made... guess the only way is seal the bulkheads...
yep did that in 84!!good laugh
Is havoc a commissioned ship?
+BLUECHET No.. there are no commissioned warships named HAVOC. It is so called because that's what you get in the DRIU. Total havoc!
No it isn’t commissioned as a ship. It’s a small scale mockup used by the RN to train DC in. It’s not an actual ship it’s just build to resemble and make it realistic for training.
Nothing flex tape can’t seal
Fuck, how powerful are those exocet missiles?
just use flex tape
Did it in 77
If only they had flex tape
You ever heard of flex tape?
Can any one give me a contact detail for this hms havoc
It`s located within HMS Raleigh.
Contact HMS Raleigh