He was right: Engineer who warned Stockton Rush about OceanGate talks to Nexus
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- On today's show we have Bart Kemper, one of the experts who warned OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush back in 2018 that his submersible craft was dangerous. Rush was onboard the Titan when it failed near the wreck of the Titanic, killing everyone on board. In almost 100 years of deep sea travel, this is the first time a submersible has imploded. We spoke to a panel of industry experts to find out why.
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Best conversation I have heard on the subject.
As a scientist and mechanical engineer, I am shocked by the egregious actions of Stockton Rush who was driven by greed, profit, fame and expediency in replacement for sound judgement that he was taught in engineering school.
The act of a madman and his charisma allowed him to convince others to join him and bankroll this death dive. Non technical people have no idea what the risks are.
There were literally 20 mistakes made. Stockton Rush was a fool. The other experts interviewed just wouldn't say it.
I thought this, too, until I read their waiver. This was an Ivy league graduate in aerospace engineering. He was experimenting with a submersible and had actually operated this company safely for 14 years. The most beautiful pictures of Titanic that we have came from two Oceangate dives.
It's harder to reach the deep ocean safely than it is to go into space safely. This person built a homemade submersible and actually reached Titanic more than once. It would be like your neighbor going to Home Depot, coming back with a few people, and building a homemade rocketship in their back yard. And then casually blasting off into space a couple of times before their rocket ship fell apart. Would you seriously call the neighbor stupid for only making it to space on his own twice without NASA or a billion dollar budget?
None of these submersibles are safe. Men weren't meant to exist in the sky, space, or underwater like this. By nature, it's unsafe. But that doesn't keep men from trying. It's always "safe for now" when you're going to an environment like this.
His only error was taking these four people down with him. There's nothing wrong with doing risky things. The issue was charging people to go down there with him. Experimental is what it says it is. It means this could fail. If they don't know the meaning of the word "experimental" then yeah, look it up. It means we know this thing could go any dive. Their waiver mentioned "death" 8 times and on the 7th time, it mentions it with the word "negligent." Anyone going down with him deserves a Darwin award. He was bluntly honest that this sub wasn't proven safe, they could and even might die, but come on if you want. They chose to go.
@@ko7577 wrong. the company wasn't doing dives in the ocean but in canals and lakes. learn about the Triton Submarine craft they were the ones that rediscovered The Titanic and took the footage you are talking about.
The Instinct of self-preservation. I searched Rush and immediately got Lochridge - "...and the porthole was only certified to withstand pressure of 1,300 meters, even though OceanGate planned to take the submersible 4,000 meters underwater." That was a good enough explanation for me as being unsafe. A nailed coffin. There's a myriad of wrongs.
Tony Nissan never bothered to do a simple bench test model of the tube.
Well said
What I’ve learned from all this is that just because someone is confident doesn’t mean they are right
Amen!
"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."
Oh jfc you've just learned this my
God 😵
It’s more like trust your gut. Don’t listen to someone just because they’re confident
Confidence + ignorance
Typical silicone valley mindset, just like Elizabeth Holmes, fake it till you make it. All of the sudden you’re either in prison or dead 😶🌫️
“Never Rush your work” has a whole new meaning
''Rush'' has a new meaning
Truer words have never been spoken 👏
Rush: “I’ve spent a fortune.”
Physics: “And this gives you power over me?”
Rush: "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator."
You keep saying that word, but you clearly don't know what it means. In fact, you will be forever remembered as the overconfident profiteer, who became so full of himself, that he guaranteed failure in a way that amounted to manslaughter/suicide. An innovator would have tested, and improved, and tested again, until the idea was either proven safe (within a well understood number of dive cycles, plus ample safety margin for cycles and maximum depth) or proven impossible to make safe. Those folks who (some even successfully) rode barrels over Niagara Falls, couldn't truthfully be called 'innovators'. They were stunt people (who had the decency not to take others with them).
This comment 🙌🏽🙌🏽
@RepellentJeff
No I can't unhear that Tom Hardy voice :D
Bingo 💯🗣️
@@CineSoarthat’s the truth
The fact that even in the 1930s, with the very first submersible, they managed to create a more appropriate vessel is- wow.
Those early submersibles weren't built for the purpose of making money nor were they obsessed with proving all the actual experts wrong.
They also were very studied and proved and tested by engineers and certified, also gave a range of risk higher than these dudes, submerging the vessel to less capacity... that CEO Dumbass 🤦
@@foxymetroid Those early submersibles weren't built for making the deep ocean accessible to more common people. Correct. They were made for scientists.
Just like the first airplanes weren't made for commercial flight. That came later. And that came later because they found a way to make airplanes affordable to everyday travelers. And thank God they did.
@@ko7577 It also came later because there's been a market for long distance travel for centuries. Before planes, you had ships and trains. Planes just offered a far faster alternative.
USS turtle was the first sub, made in 1775. If a sub from years ago lasted so much longer than a titan, then that says everything.
I think the most dangerous thing about Rush wasn't that he didn't believe the experts, I think he just thought he was smarter than all of them. The reality was that he knew enough to sound like he knew what he was talking about to people outside the industry, but not enough to understand why all his shortcuts he was taking were such a bad idea.
Dude had more money than brains !!! :/:/:/
He didn't believe the experts, and he was careless with other people's lives.
Spunds like a politician I know.
Why hire an expert / advisor if you are going to ignore him..
I never get this with people.. I have seen this many times
@@MichaelRoziethey want you to agree with them, validate them,and if you dont they attack you
Corners Sockton cut:
1. Use of expired carbon fibers not even suitable for aerospace with a 1 atm pressure differential, let alone 350 atm,
2. Failure to crossweave the fibers during hull construction,
3. Failure to cure the epoxy resin in an autoclave to eliminate bubbles and voids,
4. Failure to perform adequate safety testing or get classed for chartered vessels as is industry standard,
5. Failure to perform nondestructive testing (ultrasound) after every dive to look for new defects,
6. The choice of using carbon fiber epoxy composite as a hull material in the first place, which is much weaker in compression and is prone to buckling delamination failure in this configuration after the cyclic stresses of repeated dives,
7. Blatantly ignoring all experts on the matter, treating all constructive criticism as personal insult, etc...
What could possibly go wrong?
8. Having no genuine concern for other people's lives.
9. Using different types of material for each part of the sub which all expand/contract at different points... 😩
+the only-1300m-qualified window
Its unbelievable he didn't at least do an ultrasound.
He reminds me of a child putting their fingers in their ears saying "I cant hear you!". He didn't want to know anything that said he shouldn't do this trip. Like what he doesn't know can't hurt him.
Didn't vary orientation of plies? Not cured in an autoclave under vacuum? Might be useful as a trash bin.
Safety rules are written in blood. If there’s a rule, there’s usually a tragedy behind it. The fact that it never occurred to him to ask WHY it was done that way is just… staggering.
I don't think this will hurt the industry overall.. in fact I think it has made even more people interested in it.
Furthermore, it has also made people aware that they should only go on CLASSED tourism submersibles - which will help prevent other "pioneers" from "rolling the dice" by self-certifying their own submersibles rather than having them certified by the third parties that constitute "the standard certification process"
Also, I believe he didn't want to certify it because of the costs and time, but more importantly I believe he probably didn't want to get it certified and classed because he had a high suspicion that it wouldn't pass those certification and classification standards & procedures.
The story behind sub safe is testimony to your statement.
That he was 'allowed' to ignore this is worse
to be fair, his passion wqs to deep and no money, someone give the man 10 million for a real vessel, in the name of science... not that it matters now... .
I guess that at least Stockton was so unbelievably, so incredibly terrible at what he was doing that he didn't end up harming the reputation of the industry.
If anything the fact that so many in the industry reached out to try and warn him speaks well of the industry as a whole, trying to keep each other safe.
Well trust me people would still be afraid to go on the journey no matter what...what happened to the Titan would cause fear
THIS. When this happened i remember a lot of people worrying about this making them look bad.But you're right- it had the opposite effect
STEM fields are inherently altruistic and collaborative. Something a business owner like Rush couldn't quite understand.
I only wish that someone would have persuaded those who perished in the dark sea not to get aboard. This is tragic.
@@brendalohrke2402 i watch a profiling video of the passangers. most of them are someone who doesnt have any regret anymore if they lost their life except the father and son. those 2 are joining simply because curiousity and doesnt know the real track record about Rush in the industry forum. if both know that other experts have been warning him, i think they wont go
it's absolutely infuriating that after being warned about how dangerous their sub was, Oceangate's response was TO CHANGE THEIR WAIVER TO PROTECT THEMSELVLES LEGALLY NOT TO CHANGE THE DESIGN. So selfish and deceptive.
No, actually oceangates response was to pretty much rebuild the sub, they replaced the entire carbon fibre hull in either 2020 or 21, it’s just the media for some reason don’t like the mention that aspect, instead they go for the Stockton was a monster approach..
@@elliotease4390 Rebuilt to unsafe specifications? What depth was the port rated for again?
@@shooterqqqq and this is the problem with people like you, blindly believing everything you have seen, was the “port hole” as you call it mentioned by the engineer? No, I don’t believe it was, yet you’ve been told it was an issue, maybe you people should wait until the investigation is over before throwing out your wild predictions..
I saw on the news that they actually call themselves “crews” and not passengers so that when accidents happen they’re not liable for manslaughter. Obviously they don’t know the laws. No amount of wavers or calling crews instead of passengers would free them from criminal gross negligence. I hope those enablers and those who kissed his a** for money with zero ethics as an engineer all go to jail for manslaughter. Someone needs to be responsible for 4 people’s deaths. 😢
@@elliotease4390 The carbon fibre he used was out of life (expired DOE) and the carbon fibre layup manufacturing was not carried out in accordance with specifications..........im a Boeing QA inspector on the manufacturing of carbon fibre aerospace components' and missiles.
He didn't carry out the layup process in a clean room, nor did he use an autoclave to cure its prepreg, and did not do any form of ultrasonic inspections of the completed cured structure.
Yeah great engineer!.....................he knew better, he is plain and simple "a murderer".
tbh rush accomplished his goals in life.... he will definitely be remembered for the rules he broke
He proudly advocated them, its no secret. Im surprised the AMOUNT OF FOOLS who paid 250k to ride that thing lol.
@@buzz5969They were people who left their parents basement
@@fucuszullanti7877 Some of them also left common sense behind...
😂😂
@@Bialy_1 Absolutely. Common sense was long gone
"Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cris of "you are going to kill someone" way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult."
Someone should etch that to his gravestone. It'd serve as a warning for anyone else who thinks cutting corners while belittling the dangers, driven forth by ego and tbh this is how he deserves to be remembered for his deliberate and continued mistakes in judgment.
It's time to rewrite the dictionary by changing Machoism to Stocktonism!
There needs to be remains to have a grave, to have a grave stone.
@@maxdecphoenixJust scoop some flesh mist from the recovered parts and call it a day.
And the co-founder sounds just as narcissistic! Scary.
Bruce Ismay arrogant self consumed and naive, deja-vu?
I found it interesting that they mentioned that his ambition to be an astronaut was curbed by his vision deficiency. In the end, turns out there was a much bigger deficiency with his brain than his vision.
He lacked the ability to see his own shortcomings as a designer. Definite vision problems.
His first dream was figuratively crushed by literal short sightedness. His second dream was literally crushed by figurative short sightedness.
Now that I think about it. Maybe thats why he built a life philosophy around breaking rules and ignoring regulations. One of his ultimate dreams (space travel) was stonewalled by rules that were enforced. He never let that go since.
badum tish
The tragic irony is that Rush probably died still believing that they were going be able to resurface and this would all be a minor setback. Even if the recently released transcript of communications with the mothership is real and he and the rest of the crew got the warnings that things were going wrong, he probably still felt confident that it was not as bad as it truly was. And when the inevitable happened, it happened too fast for anyone on the vessel, including Rush, to comprehend the full extent of his catastrophic failure.
The recent transcripts have A LOT pointing to them being fake btw.
just as some hat blelive they meet god doing what is actually a sucide -there is now way one can talk sensibility tosuch guys
The saddest part about any idiot-induced catastrophe is always if the idiot dies too quickly for anyone to say "told you".
If u let go of your childish sense of justice your life would be a lot easier
Previous "tourists" report hearing unsettling crack and bang noises during their voyages. The carbon fiber was already damaged and not checked thoroughly. Rush (falsely) relied on the hull monitoring system, which probably updated or reset readings each time it cycled on, resetting the limits. TBD.
I think this will forever be an example of what happens when you don't follow safety standards.
They will make this into a case study
@@tankerockThere are sadly a lot of those and the very reason how the standards were formed in the first place.
@@tankerocknot just in engineering, but also in the legal fields as well.
This is forever an example of people not understanding that some people are still trying to reach areas of the world that you can't safely reach unless you experiment. Finding a more economical way to reach the deep ocean so that more people can see it is a noble goal, even if some people obviously had to die to trial and error which materials to use.
I hope they keep experimenting. I just hope next time civilians have the common sense to learn the definition of the word "experimental."
@@ko7577 experimenting is cool, given you're not risking other people's lives. The guy just invited some people to be part of his unsafe experiment. So yeah, he should either make a safer submarine, or send the submarine with no people down there.
Stockton was free to do whatever he wanted… but being so cavalier with *other people’s* lives is what is unforgivable.
Stockton rush was the first to do something. He was the first person to make a submersible that imploded during a dive
Bravo indeed
The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said "Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one." That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Now ask yourself What's worse, Losing your life for $250,000 or Throwing your life away for $250,000?
they gambled and thought they could get away with it - what was the risk1/1000 or 1/10 000 sold to them but the real risk ? 1/25 ???
A director arguing about engineering, with an engineer, sounds no better than Rush. I dunno how legit that story is, cus it's a very simple question. A washer made of a good stainless steel, is always going to be stronger than the same washer made of a good titanium alloy, and is going to weigh more by an easily calculable amount, depending on the size of the washer. If either washer is even involved in a safety conversation...use bigger washers!
@@ashscott6068except he's not a director at that time but the person having his own submersible built and has spent the previous 10 years doing deep sea exploration. Given that he was going to solo dive to the deepest point in the ocean, fretting about the smallest things isnt too OCD. If you were putting your life on the line would you trust your life without a second opinion?
@@user-bs1lr8nx1h1/5
James Cameron submersible was a solo craft and cost $10million and was designed to only be used once at 11,000mtrs in Mariana Trench. No tourism plans and not viable to make an income from. Why is anyone thinking seeing the decaying shell of the Titanic and a deep sea graveyard is a tourist attraction anyway?
Stockton Rush was no engineer. The first thing we learn as engineering students is safety. I worked for a large well known corporation who shipped products I hand been on the design teams that we all knew did not meet published specifications. And bad things happened. Pure greed and just worried about the stock price. This type of behavior is criminal.
The Rolls-Royce engineering principle: Don't use two bolts, when four bolts will do. :)
The Titan was just a toy and only good for the deep end of a swimming pool.
It was nothing short of stupidity to attempt a dive on the Titanic. How it managed to survive previous dives is remarkable.
Each dive cycle damaged the hull a bit more, until it couldn't take it anymore. That's true for every sub, but due to the poor material of the Titan, it only done like 10 dives until it popped, whereas proper subs can do hundreds of dives.
Yeah it’s true. The fact that it made around 10 dives to the titanic. Is a miracle. Did it make nearly 10 dives to the titanic ?
Stockton Rush will be remembered for the rules he broke
And nothing else.
I'll remember as a negligent killer
Indeed. How chilling.
He got what he wanted. That was his wish.
@@tonyducks1121ery few people are remembered for anything, most famous people are known for one major achievement or discovery. As sick as it is, he got his wish, he's literally a household name and will be spoken about at length in basically every engineering course for the next century at least.
He's the modern, internet exposed equivalent of every other bloodied "innovator" in history that was stupid enough to put a bad idea to the test in real world situation throwing caution to the wind. The rest of them were relegated to textbooks and lectures.
The 19-year-old was the most vulnerable. He completely trusted the mature adults with his life.
naw he wanted to be the first person to solve a rubics cube in deep water, that's why he wanted to go
Kinda like injecting something in your body because a billionaire told you to eh?
This is a downside of trusting individuals, worst part is that his parents were willing to take such a risk.
Here's to hoping he had at least opportunity to squeeze a girl's breast and have a kiss before he had gone....
@@righteousisthelord180I mean yes you right but he was also a rich kid and they think different. I just think about the useful things he could have done with his 250k.
Spare joysticks, no beacon. This guy was very, very impressed with himself.
True. Smh 🤦🏻♀️
And no hatch. That was the most insane thing to me, being bolted in from the OUTSIDE so that even if they had been able to surface, they would have to hope and pray the rescuers could find them before they smothered to death. That was insanity and terrible planning IMO. It wasn't a safety argument. It was a physics argument.
What a Mickey mouse operation that thing looks like a toy that you bought at Toys r Us
@@dannybam1 Reminded me of my daughter's electric Barbie car. LOL So true.
its insane to me that we have successfully been down that deep multiple times, and yet instead of just reaching out to anyone who's ever built one, the CEO just... I don't even know, wanted to feel special by DIYing??? Actually absurd
I just keep thinking he built a "5 minute crafts" vessel. It's sad that he took 4 people with him. They trusted him.... I get the waiver and all, but I'm sure they took that as a simple formality. I mean, not trying to speak for the deceased, but..I guess I'm making sense.
Tragic, anyway..
@@justnana13-klj40You are. Their commercial even says "diving SAFELY to Titanic". People sign waivers everyday but they expect in a case like this that the designers and operators are taking reasonable care in the design and operation of the vehicle upon which they're embarking.
Not actually absurd. The Wright Brothers were also called absurd, and so were the people who strapped wings to themselves trying to help humankind "fly." It turned into the commercial airline industry.
There is nothing wrong with experimenting, even if it's dangerous. His only error was thinking people would be smart enough to read a disclaimer with the word "death" in it 12 times and then stay away.
@@harrietharlow9929The waivers they signed would get thrown out instantly in a court. You can not make people sign a waiver to cover up for your negligence.
Stockton and the Ship of Fools has actually done the industry a favour. Anyone who wants to go on a trip will 100% make sure the vessel is certified now.
ship of fools......brilliant.....this term should be used more often
Sounds like a killer band name...
If you listen to fools... The mob rules!!!🎸🎶
@@AvidiaNirvana It's a phrase from Plato's Republic (translated of course).
@@picassoboy52 It's a story from Plato's Republic - very aptly about a ship with a dysfunctional crew. It represents the struggle of good governance to prevail, in a political system not based on expert knowledge.
Written in 375 BC - and here we still are. Rather depressingly, we appear to have learned nothing in the intervening years...
Well, he’ll definitely be remembered for the rules he broke but not in a good way
Curl goddes jesus
His nickname on the internet is already "Captain Crunch"
It was a Rush job.
@@GeoStreber "Regulation stifles innovation" - 2019; "Crackling sound at aft" - 2023. Both quotes 100% accurate Stockton Rush quotes.
@@GeoStreber or Captain CRush
“You’re remembered for the rules you break”.
Uncomfortably true for you, Rush.
He certainly will be remembered for the rules he broke. Probably not what he had in mind, but he got his wish.
yeah and getting himself and four other people killed by breaking the rules plains and simple🤣🤣🤣
Man think about it. History repeats itself. The CEO had it in his head that his Sub was invincible in the same way many thought the Titanic was unsinkable. It's crazy how parrallel both of these incidents are, as they ironically lost their lives in the exact same location on top of that all. Wow
Except it was the press that said titanic was unsinkable, not its maker. Big difference.
@@Sashazur Good point, but still either way they were still both thought to be unsinkable/invincible by those who deemed it to be and it's crazy how the human mind will continue to make the same mistakes like this over the years.
it's always money over safety & people , same on the titanic , same on the titan , same sad result
you are right , it was the press , however ask yourself this , how safe is it to have an ocean liner with not enough life boat capacity for the amount of passengers & crew on board?
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Rush job." Though MacArthur never said "You are remembered for the rules you break," Rush certainly will be.
New Oceangate slogan: "When you Rush, that's when accidents happen."
Oh , burn ...
Shakespeare couldn’t have named the main character better than “ Stockton Rush.” Rush, rushed right into this disaster.
And why would Gen. MacArthur say that? In what context?!
That's very fitting
Arrogance sank both the Titan and the Titanic. What a deadly force
Titanic was sunk by systemic errors that caused a catastrophe in somewhat unusual circumstances. Titan was sunk in normal circumstances because it ignored the well established system practices.
It was complacency, which is arrogance. Ego was a driving force in both cases.
Every major religious or spiritual tradition in history regards arrogance as absolute poison to spiritual development, toxic and highly corrosive to the soul.
In christianity, it is the original sin itself, which made god cast satan from heaven into hell, thus creating all suffering, according to that faith.
It is the cause of murder, betrayal, abuse, atrocity, and evil, across this old earth, and it has always caused those things.
So, I guess you are right. A deadly force.@@VersusARCH
Titanic's builders weren't arrogant. A great deal of planning went into building one of the safest ships of the time. The 2 major factors which caused or exacerbated the disaster were 1) reducing the number of lifeboats from the original design by half: fault the owners, and 2) steaming through a known ice field area at 20+ knots in pitch darkness. Fault, Captain Smith.
It is written" Pride before destruction"
Even though the Titan sunk from ignored warnings and numerous flaws by the material that it was built with, this is a sign to leave the Titanic gravesite alone and let everyone rest that died with the Titanic.
Rush treated the whole descent like a Disneyland arcade ride. Unbelievable.
Indeed... he was way too arrogant or naive!! The ocean depths are as hostile to us as space is. Such irresponsibility
Narcissistic, he was delusional.
He had too much belief in human ingenuity and technology. Unlike he said in that interview, nothing down there should fail.
If your lights go, the trip is useless. If the thrusters go, you might not go up, which slowed their ascent after the RTM system went off.
The fact he didn’t have a hatch so that they couldn’t get out if they turned up to the surface? I would never enter this death trap after learning it didn’t have a HATCH.
No he didn't. He had a very clear black-and-white disclaimer that said the submersible was experimental and could and might fail. It mentioned the word "death" 12 times. He knew it could fail. With any kind of experimental device, there's a high risk of failure.
@@Lucaz99This is why proper subs always have back up systems. Before every dive, subs are checked thoroughly, including the systems. But Titan was essentially just a toy.
i m shocked that only one engineer came forth while the entire company covered up the danger of this craft. So much of this seems criminal
The next implosion will be OceanGate itself, there are indications they're preparing a legal defense and have closed ranks, their website is still inaccessible since the announcement of the implosion.
A lot of very tough questions will be asked of anyone and everyone involved with this disaster and so far not a single word from anyone at that company. Not even a statement of condolence for the loss of their passengers/customers.
I'm just wondering how many paper shredders and disk erasers they have going now.
There were a couple I think. But Rush hired young inexperienced people and said it was because 50 year old white men weren't "inspiring". What he likely meant was those sorts of people had skills and experience and refused to cut corners.
Apparently at least one other employee had concerns and after trying to voice them ended up leaving the company. Their position was apparently as an operations technician and one thing they mentioned was that the carbon fiber hull was supposed to be 7 inches thick but was only 5. They also mentioned that other employees and contractors supposedly raised concerns/doubts but were ignored. How truthful any of that is I can't say but I'd honestly be surprised if as investigations continue and information becomes public it's not confirmed.
@@lesigh1749 And the young inexperienced people wouldn't dare question Stockton Rush, Rush even said it himself, that he cut so many corner, Stockton Rush was a careless idiotic person.
Oceangate sued the guy who spoke up, threat of a lawsuit will silence most people. Even an unsuccessful lawsuit will financially destroy most people.
The more I see of Stockton the more I think that he was living on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger curve. Those people are intolerable in engineering situations and downright dangerous is life-critical situations. Managers love them because they always act like they know what they are doing. Those same managers ignore experienced engineers who tell them that the project will fail. All you can do is sit back and wait for them to fail and try to avoid having them throw you under the bus for their failure.
Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Stockton preferentially hired people living on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger curve.
Worth mentioning here that the guy *did* have an engineering degree... in aerospace. wanted to add this just because I think a lot of other people reading these comments might instinctively think that that being educated and being a Dunning-Kruger gold medalist are mutually exclusive. Not at all. People who are very educated in one field can start posturing as experts in every field, and the result is always both loud and jaw-droppingly stupid (i.e. Dr. Oz and Jordan Peterson). Stockton Rush probably could have made a real legacy for himself if he hadn't decided he was smarter and more special than every other engineer who had reached a consensus.
@@VS-kf5qw I worked with people who (claimed to) had PhDs. And a few of those were Dunning-Kruger subjects. So yes, education has no bearing of where you are on that curve.
@@VS-kf5qwvery true, James Tour is a good example of this.
@@VS-kf5qwinteresting.
There is a lot less pressure in space than deep under the sea.
Rush is absolutely going to be remembered for the rules he broke. He didn't fail in that regard.
He will always be remembered for the rules he broke, broken rules and needlessly thrown away lives under the guise of "exploration". Good job.
yep
Not everyone can stay safe on RUclips all day, judging the world for things they're too afraid to do themselves.
A former employee didn’t sue the company. The COMPANY sued a former employee. An employee that was fired for speaking out.
The employee counter sued though so…… what’s your point
@@SleutherStrode His point was pointing out facts? Speed up.
@@RuyGuyso, you dis someone for pointing out more facts? Drop the arrogant attitude.
@@jayhuff239 Your reading comprehension sucks, I wasn't dissing him, I was dissing you for asking such a stupid question: "what's your point?"" Why ask an obvious question?
@@jayhuff239 No Jay, his attitude was entirely appropriate given the attitude of the comment it proceeded. Try to keep up, if you can.
It's highly ironic that Oceangate implied it would bury the expert (Lochridge, who warned about the flaws in the submersible) in legal fees. Yet ultimately it was Stockton Rush who was "buried".
Yep, the real tragedy is he took 4 others with him, I wish it was Rush alone.
@@TravisHi_YT Agreed.
He called it the Titan after the Titanic. It was a self fulfilling prophecy.
No it was a poorly designed piece of technology that failed.
Engineering rules are written in blood, if you don't follow the rules, blood will shed
When a certain US political party and its supporters decry "regulation," this is EXACTLY the type of outcome they are advocating for. I'm a clinician, not an engineer, but it's frightening to think about how easily this irresponsible, cavalier attitude could kill people in my field and many others.
@@isocarboxazidyeah, I _love_ being “protected” by liberal regulations. Lol. It takes multiple years to get a permit to build a house in Vancouver in the middle of a housing crisis where little shithole townhouses cost a million dollars. Meanwhile they pretend to support working class people even though they’re pricing them out of ever owning a home.
yes. BUT other lost lives mostly because of ignorance. This one is because of arrogance.
@@isocarboxazidit's maddening. Either their base forgets about how bad things were before the regulations or they prey on people who never experienced how bad it was claiming things were better before regulation. Next thing you know chemicals cause an entire town to have cancer, 14 year olds die in meat packing plants, measles makes a surprise cameo. Take your pick of consequences.
THIS SICK MAN LITERALLY BRAGGED AND BOASTED ABOUT BREAKING RULES.
What a balanced and informative discussion. Many thanks to the presenter and experts for their contributions.
It was excellent. Agreed. Thank you Nexus!
This should be a cautionary tale as to the power of a good salesperson. If you read the texts he was sending to people selling 'the last few spots' at a discount, they were classic sales persistence. He honestly believed in the product, so much that he would put his own life on the line. That gave people confidence in the product, which is another issue often caused by a cult of personality. People generally have okay BS detectors ... but good acting and 'all in' belief often get through that. He had both. He was personable, prepared, persistent and reckless. Fearlessness makes good test pilots, CEOs and innovators. Unfortunately it is not a great thing for an engineer to be.
Ironically, he became a sort of test pilot himself, did he not?
@@Solitarynana7870 Exactly. Test pilots push the limits. Engineers are the 'checks and balance' against that. This guy was playing both roles. Not a good combo and there was no balance. You always need a Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park. 'Just because we could, doesn't mean that we should.' Rush was reckless and had zero empathy for anything other than his own legacy. He made his bet using the lives of others.
Rush knew the dangers and he was willing to put his life on the line, but he had no right to put others in danger.
That’s what makes him so despicable.
Ph nargolet knew too and I’m sure hamish did as well but the two Pakistanis not so much.
@@kevingalgayNGL, that is low-key racist. Just because they aren't white/western doesn't make them fools.
A rudimentary search reveals carbon fibre doesnt yield - just fails catastrophically. Besides that nother google search would reveal the historical evidence of concerns with safety. If these ppl ( including "mission specialists/passengers" were so cavalier with their own lives imagine how they possibly felt about those they had influence over.
He didn’t, they signed up for it
It's so obvious why Stockton did this. All of the other 10 subs that are able to make this dive, can only hold 1-3 passengers max, and the cost to build one of those subs, while meeting regulatory standards, would outweigh the potential upside of selling tours. Stockton built a sub that holds 5-9 people, extremely cheaply, with parts orphaned from all over the place & carbon fiber that was past its shelf life for Boeing that he got a discount on. This sub was going to be extremely profitable if it worked. It just didn't work. There's no other explanation. If you built the sub correctly, as per the guidelines, you would never be able to get 4+ people in it, cashing in at a $1 million per expedition.
Stockton invested in the sub, cut corners and constantly tried to keep this thing profitable. It was a bad business model, and he avoided government oversight by calling everyone onboard an explorer instead of a tourist. If he would have called it a Titanic Tour, he probably would have been violating some sort of existing law that prohibits businesses from doing exactly what he did.
All of this stuff about collecting sonar data to help understand the decay rate of Titanic is rubbish. That is yet again an excuse to call it a scientific expedition. Furthermore, he would advertise this in such a way where people going on the tours were effectively listed as employee's of Oceangate during the expedition, as they were told to participate in the scientific activities. He was operating in some sort of legal grey-area with all of this, and I'm surprised he didn't get shut down. On paper this was a scientific expedition, and people were paying to participate in the scientific expedition. In reality he was just selling tours to the Titanic in an extremely dangerous fashion.
It’s because he died that people think that’s fair punishment. I disagree. He ended the lives of four people in the pursuit of profit. He is a crook.
Who cares WHY he did it. If we want to prevent further disasters like this with highly risky tourism, some regulations are in order re. equipment, training, and informed consent. That's going to be particularly important as we get further into space tourism.
But, as always, caveat emptor. If someone is willing to risk their life - and the care of their loved ones - for a thrill, that's on them.
Seems too obvious but, He could have made it an elipsoide...much stronger than a tube but with the same room
Well said! Best comment I’ve seen on this topic.
Couldn’t agree more. “Citizen scientists” 🙄
I’m very interested to know what the crew on Polar Prince at the surface was doing for the nearly 12 HOURS it took them to report the sub missing to the coast guard. Very suspicious.
"I'd like to be remembered as an innovator" oh, boy. He's going to be remembered as an arrogant, dangerous individual who doesn't care about safety and human life.
OceanGate should definitely make a $1,250,000 donation to the Titanic Historical Society!
There is another sub that's not certified, owned and operated by Karl Stanley who has made more than 2,000 successful dives. He was a passenger on Stockton's second trip to the Titanic. Stanley said he heard crackling sounds going down and returning until they reached 300 feet. He told Rush in an email that he thought the carbon fiber was failing at different places on the hull. This incident will probably kill his business.
I'll disagree on the sub business and it's because people are stupid. Hear me out. The fact that this was carbon fiber is becoming a bigger issue than the fact it was a sub going so deep. I predict this will set back CARBON FIBER for years to come. People are going to hear "this plane has carbon fiber wings" or "this car has carbon fiber suspension arms" and they're going to look sideways at it for a generation.
@@piquat1 nah, carbon fiber has proven itself in aerospace construction. It was never used in deep sea exploration and probably won't in the near future. No one is gonna hate carbon fiber just because an arrogant fool used it incorrectly...
@@piquat1 That's exactly what I'm thinking, I don't want to buy, use, or get transported by carbon fiber NOTHING after this!
@@Robert-55thankyou! Carbon fiber as a material in all use cases is not to blame here. Any material will fail if it’s weaknesses aren’t considered, and even then if the shape is designed incorrectly. Even if carbon fiber was the best material for this application, Rush’s batch was not if the best condition- past its shelf life such that Boeing wouldn’t make planes out of it!
@@Robert-55 Ya, none of what you wrote matters. People are stupid, they aren't going to think about any of that. A carbon fiber sub has imploded and killed 5 people. Carbon fiber is now garbage in the minds of common idiots.
Willing to guess most people didn't even know Titan existed until the accident.
I’m so glad to know that people LIKE math!!!! It gives my head a chance…..
SQUIRREL 🐿 LOL 😆
If I didn't know any better, I could be forgiven for thinking this was just a glorified advert lol.
Willing to guess most don’t have $250k/person to spend on a one day deep ocean dive
I am one of those who did not know of OceanGate until this dive. Even if I had the money to afford passage, I would never jeopardize my life in this way.
I had no idea anything like that existed. Still cant believe it actually did.
Ironically, he will indeed be remembered about the rules he broke.
You might as well take the middle of a toilet paper roll and put two titanium caps at each end and call it the titan Ocean gate.
Stockton Rush is a strong candidate for this year's Darwin Award gold medal. The only one I feel sorry for is the 19 year old. The 4 old men should have known better.
Well said.
I bet the 77yr old was content with his quick death.
Well, the old guys procreated already, so the "Darwin" effect of the award wasn't really there anymore - except one of them managed to literally drag his son down with him.
I don't think you know what the Darwin award is. It means dying without having offspring. So the only one that got the Darwin award was the 19 year old.
Ikarus
I do believe that Stockton Rush is in a very good position to be awarded the 2023 Darwin award.
Awarded ? It'll be criminal if they didn't name it after him at this point.
Not possible because he had two kids
I feel for everyone involved, especially the families, this is not the way an individual trys to get into the history books. No one is going to let this go for a very long time. Scientifically, politically and morally. With documentaries and legal issues for years to come.
he already had kids but he's an honorable mention
@@philmorton4590 None of these dopes will be in anything but the internet meme hall of fame. This is so inconsequential that every news organization milking it for money should be ashamed of themselves. TikTok era is here. Teenagers writing history with their memes.
Am I the only one that noticed the viewing "window" was not in place when the front was brought up?
One point I'd like to make: It's important to know that the carbon fiber hull in the version of Titan that imploded is NOT the same hull that was in Titan in 2018. Rush had a new hull made in 2020 and that is what was used in Titan for all of the dives to the Titanic.
Even if you are not an engineer, going down to those depths in an uncertified container that could only be opened from the outside, operated by a game’s console, along with dodgy waiver would raise massive red flags
100% don't have to be a rocket scientist this was a death trap.
Billionaires don't think, they "like" a person and invest. Well, next time they should think and not just "like".
He was way too ignorant, Stockton. Ego blurred common sense.
Well, two things are slightly off. From an engineering point choosing a game controller makes sense. It's durable, simple and proven. They just work. I personally would have chosen the wired variant but that's just because I'm not sure about bluetooth in this environment.
Second, choosing a hatch that can only be open from outside makes sense in this design too. This allows for more stability against pressure (as no mechanism is in place, except the bolts building up the force to close it)
Nontheless this was dogy as hell, two materials with way different behavior against pressure, choosing carbon with it's bad stats regarding withstanding pressure (especially dynamically changing pressure) ignoring the standard certificate regulations and going with a bulleye that was rated only for a partial depth.
There are problematic things, but people keep bringing up wrong arguments.
The game controller wasn’t the problem. Using a game controller for operate a vehicle is actually very smart and just simplifies the operation of the that vehicle or machine. I’ve said myself it would make a lot of
Sense to incorporate a gaming controller into a helicopter considering how much easier it would make it to fly. However I would still have manual controls ready to use at a moments notice as well. So the controller aspect wasn’t the issue at all. It was the carbon fiber hull that weakened as a result of expansion and contraction with each decent the pressure squeezed those carbon fibers and when it came back to the surface the carbon fibers expanded subsequently weaning the molecular bond of them. It’s no different than bending a metal bar back and forth till it eventually snaps. That was the biggest flaw of the titan among others
Everybody warned him. In fact I showed a picture of the sub to my dog and he gave his warning bark.
Omg these comments are hysterical- the warning bark- love it 😅
@@marybethkellner5035 .. its that kind of high pitched bark... unmistakable.
@@craig7350 dogs ALWAYS know best!
The more I see about this guy the more I think he deserved his fate. It's just a shame he had to take four other people's lives over hubris. He was right about one thing though. He'll definitely be remembered for the "rules he broke" seeing as there's never been a catastrophic implosion before he did it first like the true maverick he was.
shame they didn't have a couple spare hulls on board just in case like the controller's🤣🤣🤣
cause if your hull fails your dead a controller dies change the batteries or just drop the weights and go back to the surface🤣🤣🤣
The biggest irony was when he describes building out of carbon fibre and titanium as being a no no, and having done it anyway
With an arrogant smile may I add.
To say that the certification standards are "too conservative" is what immediately screams "this should never take passengers". If he wanted to risk his own life that's one thing, but the reason the standards are conservative is because it you're going to carry passengers it should be very robustly designed - not "experimental".
Stockton Rush makes me feel somewhat better about my own stupidity. at least my own stupidity never killed anyone.
You've gotta take what you can from these tragedies.
It's harder to reach Titanic than it is to get to space. He built a homemade submersible and made it to Titanic twice. The reason you've never failed on this grand scale is because you've never tried to do anything that's like, really hard.
@@ko7577learn what a joke is
@@ko7577 How does that justify his blatent diregard for safety and killing himself and 4 others? His unprecedented implosion is what he will be remembered for.
@@ko7577again... didn't kill 5 people cause I was too cheap and stupid.
@@irene_f.Hey.. don't ask them questions when they have their mouth full of Stockton's flaccid fick
My dad was a steel draftsman, and he worked on the Sky Dome in Toronto. He was checking someone's work and there were over 700 bolts that were too small...on the largest retracting roof in the world. Just a grunt probably prevented a disaster.
*They actually had to be replaced, because that section had already been put together.
What cracks me up the most about the whole thing was their system to "alert" them that the hull was compromised. Like, what? If alarms are going off for compromised hull, ANYWHERE below like 50 foot, you're done. There's no point in having it just to know you're going to die in 5 seconds.
Cameron didn't dive 30 times to the titanic on a self designed sub. His 33 dives to the Titanic were on a russian sub, Mir, operated by the Russian Academy of Sciences. He did dive on a self designed sub to Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench
They have a few errors in this episode. They seem to want the dirt on SR's frame of mind, rather than the facts to a certain extent.. but these professionalswill hardly badmouth another engineer. It's not cricket, or ethical. Leave that to youter's..
no body asked, so sick of seeing this garbage being sensationalized its so boring,
@@DerpDerpDerpDerpDerpDerpDerpyes and with that sub is the first man to go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. It’s wild.
That's even more impressive, this man James Cameron out here doing side quests.
@@adamdurham16I thought 2 men in the 1960s went even deeper than James Cameron by few hundred meters
Come on man..they GLUED the titanium ends to the carbon fiber hull….
He probably used super glue bought from the reject shop to save on expenditure.
in a warehouse rather than in a vac chamber
It was just an eye test as well nothing scientific about it at all. “Yup she looks good, wait, add bit more glue here”
@@toomanyaccountsYeah, two dudes with spatulas and out in the open. Zero process or environmental controls. Idiots.
Maybe its just me.... But the more I learn about this man who clearly had more money than sense , and his egregious flouting of safety precautions, the more fantastical this entire story gets, making it increasingly difficult to believe its authenticity. I simply cannot accept that one person, much less an entire company, who's entire selling point was based on one product, could continue to make catastrophic decision, after even more catastrophic decisions, and with absolutely no opposition or push back over and above a face to face meeting over 5 years ago that ended in nothing more than a new waiver being drafted.
It's utterly unfathomable to me that it appeared the mere fact of being wealthy meant Rush could be left alone to play Russian roulette with the lives of complete strangers with ZERO SAFETY MEASURES in place. And if that weren't enough, the fact that he deliberately registered his company in the Bahamas so as to avoid the strict regulations he'd be subject to by registering it as a US based company, tells us in no uncertain terms just how cognisant he was to avoid regulations that he felt were only there to hinder him, when in fact they only exist to mitigate the possible risk to life such endeavours as this clearly pose smdh, and that alone is indicative of a far broader issue around the mind set of just one man that it appears the combined voices of an entire submersible industry, were utterly incapable of stopping.
The experiment did actually provide massively valuable data
LMAO, what, confirming that the parts used were poorly fitted and entirely the wrong type?
@@the_kombinator how many load cycles it takes for catastrophic failure
No seats alone and sitting on the floor should have been the number 1 red flag!
He did NOT want to spend that amount of money on certifying the Titan because he knew it would FAIL! The PR hit from that would prevent a craft he thought was "good enough" to gain customers.
Or he didnt have the money to spend that much or he just wanyed to get as much money out of it so he wanted to make the sub as cheap as possible. Its a Amercan bussiness so.... it wouldnt be the first time
“I want to be remembered as an innovator”, “They want to stop innovation” etc, says the guy who created a submersible worse than the ones in 1930
i really find it hard to understand why someone would be willing to pay $250,000 for a possible glimpse of the titanic through a tiny window.
If you have enough money that dropping a quarter mil for you is like buying a nice writing pen for most people, the "experience" is primary and the cost is insignificant.
Unlike climbing Everest which takes real physical effort and everyone knows you can easily die, you just sit in this tube and look at the Titanic. No effort required and perhaps even more exclusive than the Everest crowd.
It wasn't a tiny window but a window much larger then other submersibles.
I have a feeling that the main reason why this incident has seen such an unprecedented spotlight (despite being a relatively small accident in terms of deaths when compared with air crashes or train crashes which have death tolls in the hundreds) is that a lot of rich people died. Not to undermine the seriousness of the issue but it makes me wonder how many companies cut corners that result in accidents that remain under the wraps for their seemingly small death tolls? If such a critical machine can operate without certifications for so many years despite a lot of people knowing that corners were cut makes it a big probability that other companies in other sectors may be doing the same where the conditions are not so extreme?
I think it’s more the novelty of the situation and all the crap that has come out about Oceangate post facto.
Take the migrant boat that sank with massive loss of life at the same time. We as news consumers have grown jaded to such tragedies, it’s not the first overloaded boat that has gone under with massive loss of life, it unfortunately will not be the last.
So I wouldn’t say it’s so much that they were rich, it’s more WTH we’re they thinking?
@@ronkolek613 Another difference is that the person responsible is not a cynical criminal with no morals exploiting desperate people, which unfortunately is all too common. It was a respectable and moral seeming member of society who was highly delusional.
this guy did ignore so many safety issues despite the warnings from experts. i think that is the reason this got so much media coverage. He truly deserves a Darwin Award
Yes I do agree, it was a highly delusional founder with too much confidence in his mediocre product. The try fast fail fast model does not work with such critical applications and some founders nowadays have foregone the fundamentals of critical industrial designing and manufacturing.
He'll be remembered for modernizing the adage: "We are defined by our patience when we have nothing, and our attitude when we have everything"
This is so simple: the hull was made out of carbon fiber, and the end-caps were glued on. This thing was practically BUILT TO FAIL. It is shocking to me that it survived even one deep dive.
I wouldn't say built to fail, but using composites you do have a "life limited" scenario. Meaning you can only use it for a certain amount of time and then you discard and build a new one. You might be able reuse some parts, but the composites are usually done for.
@@biscuitninja regardless, there were many corners cut and Stockton Rush relied too heavily on the carbon fiber.
@@gabrielsaavedra7916
He didn’t even have it woven around the cylinder which would have been much stronger. Instead, it was coiled around the cylinder, perpendicular to the cylinder surface.
@@biscuitninjathat’s fairly obvious not being rude, but the person here was talking about how the composite section was basically “glued” to the titanium ends (and I’m not even mentioning the vast difference in compressive strength between them) making the entire 2 parts of the sub that are joining the 3 pieces into massive failure points. I don’t care how strong this glue is, it is not surviving 15+ or however many trips to the titanic depth
@biscuitninja
This is not the sort of thing you build a disposable version of lol. If it was unmanned and it was just a test vehicle to see what a submersible of this sort could endure, or if it was strictly being used for video footage or something along those lines, then by all means build it and see what it’s got. But to take people on something like this where failure is a given, is insane.
As a person who worked in plant were composite flanges are built from 1" - 100+ " for piping systems in factories all over the United States and the best in the US. I can say the method they used to connect the carbon fiber to the metal was without a dout the failure point. It squeezed the carbon fiber cylinder causing a leak and from the pressure and rush of water in compressing the air inside until it blew the end caps off. And it all happen in a split second.
I used to work for CPF Dualam from 1990 to 2013. The company was a huge tank and piping fabricator. And I thought the same thing the moment I knew it has implosed. Delamination.
That poor woman to loose her son and husband in one fell swoop, and knowing it was her desire to please her son, that sent him down. I can't imagine. And what was with the media? Effing things up as usual, saying Suleman was terrified to go, that he only did so to please his father like his father was some tyrant forcing him. RIP
The aunt came out to the news and reported all that!
Then the mom came out almost a week later and cleared that up!!!
People werent warning him because they didn't want him to succeed. They warned him because they knew this exactly is what would happen. Such an avoidable thing. Its sad and shtty.
exactly...they experts didn't warn aggressively enough and therefore should be held accountable as well
@@wernerostwald287 He fired them!!
@@CourtneyLee62 ...then sued them! You can warn as "aggressively" as you like, @wernerostwald287, but if a CEO of a _private company_ is determined to continue, you cannot _force_ them to change their mind - a public authority is different.
@@221b-Maker-Street Rush was a millionaire that could've just held out in court and stretched the case out long enough till the engineer goes broke from all the legal fees and will eventually have to drop the case. The engineer most likely would've been under NDA so OceanGate could've theoretically sued him for every penny if he tried to speak out at all. Warning aggressively was probably the most he could've done at this point.
@@wernerostwald287They were fired from the job. You cannot sue the engineers who were fired.
It's so sad that Stockton Rush took those passengers' money to be a part of his so-called experiment, but he also took their lives! 😢
Nah, these morons took their own life. Just Darwinism at work. They all knew that it was basically a suicide mission and now they got what they have asked for.
Well, since he was onboard the sub himself when it failed, I think it's safe to say that he whole-heartedly believed it was safe. He was wrong, ofcourse, but I don't think it was in any way malicious.
@nickgrishin2068 no excuses. He didn't care ENOUGH. If he did he would've done something else besides play sub captain
@@NGabunchanumbersBc he was in DENIAL!
These where grown a** men that willingly jumped into that P.O.S yes I feel bad and they're ultimately victims however it's common sense.
Just because you do things different or use materials that are not regularly used in the industry that doesn't make you an innovator. Ignoring sound advice from industry leaders was his biggest mistake. Actually his biggest mistake was taking others with him in his non certified contraption.
It is usual comforting for the client to see the seller using the same product sold to customers. Having Stockton participating in all the dives was a reassuring for the othe passengers. The problem though, we dont know his routine before these dives. Maybe, he always gave himself a 10% probability of returning home.
Rush was the only person willing to pilot this death trap. He fired his sub pilot and safety guy, David Lochridge, after Lochridge said that the sub was unsafe and would kill someone. He asked his head accountant if she would be willing to become chief pilot. She said no and she quit. This was back in 2018.
Stockton Rush was like that one kid in class who was smart but still managed to constantly do stupidly senseless things
He's like the kid who argues with facts taught by teachers because he knows better! Too smart by half.
Academically smart with a lack of cumin sense and humility
A ovi ostali koji su ga sledili u smrt i jos platili!? To su oni u razredu,sto su uvek voleli da budu u drustvu pametnog decaka,jer ce zbog njegq i oni biti primeceni,pa nema veze sto su glupi...😢
He was not smart at all. He was a charlatan.
So like the Elon Musk of engineering, huh?
The latest description of the implosion is that the submersibles power failed and it went into a nosedive. Imagine plunging into the dark depths nose first one body on top of another waiting for the implosion.
I've never read anything about a nosedive. Do you have a link for that?
It hink I heard something similar on the news that they were untop each other as the sub went down fast....
If that happened I don't think implosion would be the first worry for the passengers, maybe suffocation. If the sub was safe (it wasn't) under power then it would be safe sitting on the ocean floor waiting for rescue.
The captain of the titanic and the titan both died saying "I should've build a stronger ship"
My primary issue with the titanium/carbon fiber interface is not the epoxy connection as much as the stresses induced by variable contraction of the dissimilar materials while the pressure of the water is trying to jam the titanium spheres together.
A failure of the epoxy interface seems like it would result in a dangerous leak near the surface. While failure of the epoxy at depth would only be an issue if the carbon fiber tube also failed resulting in the carbon fiber tube slipping out of the titanium ring mid catastrophic implosion
Carbonfibre is a horrible material. It gets weaker with age and becomes brittle. I've had carbon bikes, and they just instantly fail and snap.Theres no warning. Not like metal where it bends.
I feel sorry for the people who are in this business and do the right things but now their business will probably suffer because of this man’s ego.
None of them are in the tourism business so they will be just fine.
Nah overall this will benefit the wider community. They already know how to build safe vessels that go to the deepest points on earth. Titanium sphere, that's it. But this has emphasized and put into harsh perspective the reason we go through certain processes to ensure our engineering is safe. Those boring lectures will hit home a little harder for a while.
Moving forward this is probably a win for safety and testing, and will reduce the potential for more rogue engineers like Rush from doing things like this or even being able to.
We've got very complacent with how good we have for at building amazing things, hopefully this is a reminder that changes people's cynicism towards the increased cost of good engineering practice.
OceanGate's former chief director of marine operations, David Lockridge should have been the center of this story. He warned OceanGate about the submarine and was promptly fired and given 10mins to clear out his desk.
. . . and then he was harassed and clubbed by the company's attorneys with the American legal system for trying to do the right thing. And then there are the ambulance chasers on the other side, who basically commit legalized fraud and theft everyday, driving up costs and reducing opportunities for everyone. I swear I think half the lawyers in the U.S. have sold their souls to the devil.
It's a submersible not a submarine.
He might be lawyering up and also in shock honestly!
I recall being eleven or twelve, helping a neighborhood friend cobble together a wooden gravity cart. We took it to the slightly sloping alley behind his house and tried coasting it down. The cart was nearly impossible to steer, at least one wheel began to fall off immediately, and the thing was soon abandoned by his family trashcan.
We had made the cart of odds and ends from our fathers’ basements and garages, supplemented with nuts and bolts from the local hardware store - connectors which were not sized adequately for the task - and a quantity of youthful enthusiasm and stupidity.
But then again…we were not yet teenagers.
What did we know??
Honestly, this tragedy had brought my attention to deep sea exploration, its fascinating that a vehicle can be built as “cheap” as rush did, it just didnt have the longevity required, im becoming more tempted every day to make my own personal sub but theres no way id ever go that deep, not even 500m deep, mine would just be something that scuttles beneath the surface down a safe depth that even humans can dive to, but that is also a pipe dream of mine
At OceanGate, you don't just get to see the wreckage, you get to be the wreckage!
Clever, hehe...
Feel the lore, become the lore.
Too soon
Lol you are funny
@@Salty_Ballsa truly immersive experience
Ironically they only changed the things that were legal liabilities; no care/concerns about safety.
To me it feels like an ethical decision that the coastguard did not report the bang until after the debris field were found. They could not be sure that this sound was the implosion of the Titan. If I recall right, their initial report was that they picked up a sound that was "consistent with an implosion". It seems they made the decision to withhold this information because they were not 100% sure and needed to proceed with a rescue attempt. If they had revealed this information on that Sunday, it is unlikely that various governments would have put forward the resources for the rescue mission which were absolutely required for the conditions if they were in fact still alive.
Its not enough to point at the ceo/founder of oceangate. The official government institutions all front water police, harbour authorities, ship insurances, certification associations and medias had their part not to stop this madness. Commercially used ships require steadily recertifications, seagoing ships even need it annually. Many here failed in their responsibilities to put this vessel on chain in the harbour. As captain for commercial certified traditional sailing ships its just shocking and ashaming
That vessel looked like it was made from scrap metal and put together by blind people!!! The titanium end caps were GLUED to the unsuitable carbon fibre hull....GLUED 😭😮
Drilling holes to add bolts through carbon fiber wouldn't have worked.
Hey, what’s the worst that could happen?????????
Bart Kemper, you are a credit to mankind and an example for all professional engineers
and a patriotic soldier he's a former lieutenant Colonel of the US Army, he's the real deal.
Stockton Rush is also an example for all professional engineers
@@1mlister 🤡
@@1mlister of a sort, yes.
@@1mlister Yes, a bad example.
It’s actually 800x the pressure we get on the surface
firstly rip all aboard the titan , secondly I'm very surprised a company can develop an experimental submersible and start taking tourist to those depths , even taxi drivers have to be licensed so my question is why was the titan not subject to MANDATORY testing & certification by an external body ?
@Hello there, how are you doing this blessed day?
He was operating on the high sea outside of any jurisdiction as mentioned in the video.
Stockton Rush: Hey, I want to innovate and make an experimental submersible to withstand the immensely dangerous pressures at the Titanic.
Engineers: OK, cool. You going with one of the proven and time tested designs?
Stockton Rush: Nah, we're gonna make it bigger, and we're going to use 2 different materials, and instead of a hatch we're just gonna remove and re-seal the endcap every dive.
Engineers: That sounds like a really bad idea! Please tell us you're at LEAST going to use the finest materials and manufacturing processes?
Stockton Rush; Nah, we're gonna use an under-spec window and bargain bin carbon fiber, and glue it together in a warehouse.
Engineers: Wait, stop, you can't...
Stockton Rush: STFU, I'm a genius, you're all cowards, I'm doing it and you're gonna be so jealous!
Engineers: * popcorn *
Exactly
Sad but true 😢
👍AGREE 💯 , WHAT PUZZLES ME IS THE MOST GOVERNMENT , OSAH , JUST TURN THIER HEADS ON ALL THIS SAFTEY ISSUES BEING IGNORED & LET THIS TRAGEDY HAPPEN THEY ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE 🤨😡 JUST BEYOND REASON 🤔🤔???
@@gilbertsoto2472government is designed so that it can really only restrict the poor. The rich always have mechanisms around the rules.
The problem for the rich is that physics doesn't care how much money you have.
A perfect summary.
In every industry you have a cowboy that wants to push the boundaries. This was such a tragedy that could have been avoided, only if he had done things properly. RIP all lives lost😢
"Properly" lol
The word only really applies when not innovating.
This is plain and simple *greed* . Pushing the boundaries is one thing, as is innovation, and another completely different is having a complete disregard of human lives and only care for money... as I read in another comment from another video, this man should not have been allowed to be in charge of nothing more than a golf car. The worst thing is that most so called CEOs are exactly like that. We´re in the hands of monsters.
Hope Stockton doesn't get RIP
How quickly the weak attack weakness.
@@pimplequeen2Not really. You can still innovate 'properly'...but you have to accept that some of your innovations will be destroyed through testing. The ones that survive become innovations, and the rest are useful failures.
Easily the most comprehensive coverage so far. Thanks!
19:45 I know this is a tragedy. But it's funny to see all 3 of the guests couldn't hold their laugh when the engineer was answering the question 😛