Best conversation I have heard on the subject. As a scientist and mechanical engineer, I am shocked by the egregious actions of Stockton Rush who was driven by greed, profit, fame and expediency in replacement for sound judgement that he was taught in engineering school. The act of a madman and his charisma allowed him to convince others to join him and bankroll this death dive. Non technical people have no idea what the risks are. There were literally 20 mistakes made. Stockton Rush was a fool. The other experts interviewed just wouldn't say it.
@ko7577 wrong. the company wasn't doing dives in the ocean but in canals and lakes. learn about the Triton Submarine craft they were the ones that rediscovered The Titanic and took the footage you are talking about.
The Instinct of self-preservation. I searched Rush and immediately got Lochridge - "...and the porthole was only certified to withstand pressure of 1,300 meters, even though OceanGate planned to take the submersible 4,000 meters underwater." That was a good enough explanation for me as being unsafe. A nailed coffin. There's a myriad of wrongs.
@ko7577this is complete nonsense. There hasn't been an accident in this sector for decades because it's been self policed by people who respected the laws of physics. This fool pushed his luck repeatedly until it ran out.
If you ask me, his face should be scrubbed from the internet. Placing the lives of people at risk for his pride and financial gains makes him truly evil. Even in the contracts he had those people sign mentioned their families couldn't sue his company in the events of them dying if anything goes wrong. A new level of evil.
And the fallout of his recklessness will have consequences that others will have to deal with. As well as the deep sea exploration community will be impacted by this.
Corners Sockton cut: 1. Use of expired carbon fibers not even suitable for aerospace with a 1 atm pressure differential, let alone 350 atm, 2. Failure to crossweave the fibers during hull construction, 3. Failure to cure the epoxy resin in an autoclave to eliminate bubbles and voids, 4. Failure to perform adequate safety testing or get classed for chartered vessels as is industry standard, 5. Failure to perform nondestructive testing (ultrasound) after every dive to look for new defects, 6. The choice of using carbon fiber epoxy composite as a hull material in the first place, which is much weaker in compression and is prone to buckling delamination failure in this configuration after the cyclic stresses of repeated dives, 7. Blatantly ignoring all experts on the matter, treating all constructive criticism as personal insult, etc... What could possibly go wrong?
Its unbelievable he didn't at least do an ultrasound. He reminds me of a child putting their fingers in their ears saying "I cant hear you!". He didn't want to know anything that said he shouldn't do this trip. Like what he doesn't know can't hurt him.
They also were very studied and proved and tested by engineers and certified, also gave a range of risk higher than these dudes, submerging the vessel to less capacity... that CEO Dumbass 🤦
@ko7577 It also came later because there's been a market for long distance travel for centuries. Before planes, you had ships and trains. Planes just offered a far faster alternative.
@@0ddly0ddlessI just learned about that sub, the military people on it had to manually power it . Absolutely wild that an 18th century sub was safer than one built in the 21st century one. In the 1700’s ships were still made of wood and powered by sails and the only way to travel nationally was the stage coaches and they still managed to make a sub safer than the titan.
"Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cris of "you are going to kill someone" way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult." Someone should etch that to his gravestone. It'd serve as a warning for anyone else who thinks cutting corners while belittling the dangers, driven forth by ego and tbh this is how he deserves to be remembered for his deliberate and continued mistakes in judgment.
Rush: "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator." You keep saying that word, but you clearly don't know what it means. In fact, you will be forever remembered as the overconfident profiteer, who became so full of himself, that he guaranteed failure in a way that amounted to manslaughter/suicide. An innovator would have tested, and improved, and tested again, until the idea was either proven safe (within a well understood number of dive cycles, plus ample safety margin for cycles and maximum depth) or proven impossible to make safe. Those folks who (some even successfully) rode barrels over Niagara Falls, couldn't truthfully be called 'innovators'. They were stunt people (who had the decency not to take others with them).
I guess that at least Stockton was so unbelievably, so incredibly terrible at what he was doing that he didn't end up harming the reputation of the industry. If anything the fact that so many in the industry reached out to try and warn him speaks well of the industry as a whole, trying to keep each other safe.
@@brendalohrke2402 i watch a profiling video of the passangers. most of them are someone who doesnt have any regret anymore if they lost their life except the father and son. those 2 are joining simply because curiousity and doesnt know the real track record about Rush in the industry forum. if both know that other experts have been warning him, i think they wont go
I found it interesting that they mentioned that his ambition to be an astronaut was curbed by his vision deficiency. In the end, turns out there was a much bigger deficiency with his brain than his vision.
Now that I think about it. Maybe thats why he built a life philosophy around breaking rules and ignoring regulations. One of his ultimate dreams (space travel) was stonewalled by rules that were enforced. He never let that go since.
Safety rules are written in blood. If there’s a rule, there’s usually a tragedy behind it. The fact that it never occurred to him to ask WHY it was done that way is just… staggering.
I don't think this will hurt the industry overall.. in fact I think it has made even more people interested in it. Furthermore, it has also made people aware that they should only go on CLASSED tourism submersibles - which will help prevent other "pioneers" from "rolling the dice" by self-certifying their own submersibles rather than having them certified by the third parties that constitute "the standard certification process"
Also, I believe he didn't want to certify it because of the costs and time, but more importantly I believe he probably didn't want to get it certified and classed because he had a high suspicion that it wouldn't pass those certification and classification standards & procedures.
to be fair, his passion wqs to deep and no money, someone give the man 10 million for a real vessel, in the name of science... not that it matters now... .
"I'd like to be remembered as an innovator" oh, boy. He's going to be remembered as an arrogant, dangerous individual who doesn't care about safety and human life.
I think the most dangerous thing about Rush wasn't that he didn't believe the experts, I think he just thought he was smarter than all of them. The reality was that he knew enough to sound like he knew what he was talking about to people outside the industry, but not enough to understand why all his shortcuts he was taking were such a bad idea.
it's absolutely infuriating that after being warned about how dangerous their sub was, Oceangate's response was TO CHANGE THEIR WAIVER TO PROTECT THEMSELVLES LEGALLY NOT TO CHANGE THE DESIGN. So selfish and deceptive.
No, actually oceangates response was to pretty much rebuild the sub, they replaced the entire carbon fibre hull in either 2020 or 21, it’s just the media for some reason don’t like the mention that aspect, instead they go for the Stockton was a monster approach..
@@shooterqqqq and this is the problem with people like you, blindly believing everything you have seen, was the “port hole” as you call it mentioned by the engineer? No, I don’t believe it was, yet you’ve been told it was an issue, maybe you people should wait until the investigation is over before throwing out your wild predictions..
I saw on the news that they actually call themselves “crews” and not passengers so that when accidents happen they’re not liable for manslaughter. Obviously they don’t know the laws. No amount of wavers or calling crews instead of passengers would free them from criminal gross negligence. I hope those enablers and those who kissed his a** for money with zero ethics as an engineer all go to jail for manslaughter. Someone needs to be responsible for 4 people’s deaths. 😢
@@elliotease4390 The carbon fibre he used was out of life (expired DOE) and the carbon fibre layup manufacturing was not carried out in accordance with specifications..........im a Boeing QA inspector on the manufacturing of carbon fibre aerospace components' and missiles. He didn't carry out the layup process in a clean room, nor did he use an autoclave to cure its prepreg, and did not do any form of ultrasonic inspections of the completed cured structure. Yeah great engineer!.....................he knew better, he is plain and simple "a murderer".
My dad was a steel draftsman, and he worked on the Sky Dome in Toronto. He was checking someone's work and there were over 700 bolts that were too small...on the largest retracting roof in the world. Just a grunt probably prevented a disaster. *They actually had to be replaced, because that section had already been put together.
The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said "Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one." That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Now ask yourself What's worse, Losing your life for $250,000 or Throwing your life away for $250,000?
A director arguing about engineering, with an engineer, sounds no better than Rush. I dunno how legit that story is, cus it's a very simple question. A washer made of a good stainless steel, is always going to be stronger than the same washer made of a good titanium alloy, and is going to weigh more by an easily calculable amount, depending on the size of the washer. If either washer is even involved in a safety conversation...use bigger washers!
@@ashscott6068except he's not a director at that time but the person having his own submersible built and has spent the previous 10 years doing deep sea exploration. Given that he was going to solo dive to the deepest point in the ocean, fretting about the smallest things isnt too OCD. If you were putting your life on the line would you trust your life without a second opinion?
James Cameron submersible was a solo craft and cost $10million and was designed to only be used once at 11,000mtrs in Mariana Trench. No tourism plans and not viable to make an income from. Why is anyone thinking seeing the decaying shell of the Titanic and a deep sea graveyard is a tourist attraction anyway?
@@tonyducks1121ery few people are remembered for anything, most famous people are known for one major achievement or discovery. As sick as it is, he got his wish, he's literally a household name and will be spoken about at length in basically every engineering course for the next century at least. He's the modern, internet exposed equivalent of every other bloodied "innovator" in history that was stupid enough to put a bad idea to the test in real world situation throwing caution to the wind. The rest of them were relegated to textbooks and lectures.
The Titan was just a toy and only good for the deep end of a swimming pool. It was nothing short of stupidity to attempt a dive on the Titanic. How it managed to survive previous dives is remarkable.
Each dive cycle damaged the hull a bit more, until it couldn't take it anymore. That's true for every sub, but due to the poor material of the Titan, it only done like 10 dives until it popped, whereas proper subs can do hundreds of dives.
@ko7577 experimenting is cool, given you're not risking other people's lives. The guy just invited some people to be part of his unsafe experiment. So yeah, he should either make a safer submarine, or send the submarine with no people down there.
The tragic irony is that Rush probably died still believing that they were going be able to resurface and this would all be a minor setback. Even if the recently released transcript of communications with the mothership is real and he and the rest of the crew got the warnings that things were going wrong, he probably still felt confident that it was not as bad as it truly was. And when the inevitable happened, it happened too fast for anyone on the vessel, including Rush, to comprehend the full extent of his catastrophic failure.
Previous "tourists" report hearing unsettling crack and bang noises during their voyages. The carbon fiber was already damaged and not checked thoroughly. Rush (falsely) relied on the hull monitoring system, which probably updated or reset readings each time it cycled on, resetting the limits. TBD.
its insane to me that we have successfully been down that deep multiple times, and yet instead of just reaching out to anyone who's ever built one, the CEO just... I don't even know, wanted to feel special by DIYing??? Actually absurd
I just keep thinking he built a "5 minute crafts" vessel. It's sad that he took 4 people with him. They trusted him.... I get the waiver and all, but I'm sure they took that as a simple formality. I mean, not trying to speak for the deceased, but..I guess I'm making sense. Tragic, anyway..
@@justnana13-klj40You are. Their commercial even says "diving SAFELY to Titanic". People sign waivers everyday but they expect in a case like this that the designers and operators are taking reasonable care in the design and operation of the vehicle upon which they're embarking.
@@harrietharlow9929The waivers they signed would get thrown out instantly in a court. You can not make people sign a waiver to cover up for your negligence.
Stockton and the Ship of Fools has actually done the industry a favour. Anyone who wants to go on a trip will 100% make sure the vessel is certified now.
@@picassoboy52 It's a story from Plato's Republic - very aptly about a ship with a dysfunctional crew. It represents the struggle of good governance to prevail, in a political system not based on expert knowledge. Written in 375 BC - and here we still are. Rather depressingly, we appear to have learned nothing in the intervening years...
When a certain US political party and its supporters decry "regulation," this is EXACTLY the type of outcome they are advocating for. I'm a clinician, not an engineer, but it's frightening to think about how easily this irresponsible, cavalier attitude could kill people in my field and many others.
@@isocarboxazidyeah, I _love_ being “protected” by liberal regulations. Lol. It takes multiple years to get a permit to build a house in Vancouver in the middle of a housing crisis where little shithole townhouses cost a million dollars. Meanwhile they pretend to support working class people even though they’re pricing them out of ever owning a home.
@@isocarboxazidit's maddening. Either their base forgets about how bad things were before the regulations or they prey on people who never experienced how bad it was claiming things were better before regulation. Next thing you know chemicals cause an entire town to have cancer, 14 year olds die in meat packing plants, measles makes a surprise cameo. Take your pick of consequences.
@@righteousisthelord180I mean yes you right but he was also a rich kid and they think different. I just think about the useful things he could have done with his 250k.
Even though the Titan sunk from ignored warnings and numerous flaws by the material that it was built with, this is a sign to leave the Titanic gravesite alone and let everyone rest that died with the Titanic.
He had too much belief in human ingenuity and technology. Unlike he said in that interview, nothing down there should fail. If your lights go, the trip is useless. If the thrusters go, you might not go up, which slowed their ascent after the RTM system went off. The fact he didn’t have a hatch so that they couldn’t get out if they turned up to the surface? I would never enter this death trap after learning it didn’t have a HATCH.
@@Lucaz99This is why proper subs always have back up systems. Before every dive, subs are checked thoroughly, including the systems. But Titan was essentially just a toy.
Man think about it. History repeats itself. The CEO had it in his head that his Sub was invincible in the same way many thought the Titanic was unsinkable. It's crazy how parrallel both of these incidents are, as they ironically lost their lives in the exact same location on top of that all. Wow
@@Sashazur Good point, but still either way they were still both thought to be unsinkable/invincible by those who deemed it to be and it's crazy how the human mind will continue to make the same mistakes like this over the years.
you are right , it was the press , however ask yourself this , how safe is it to have an ocean liner with not enough life boat capacity for the amount of passengers & crew on board?
It's so obvious why Stockton did this. All of the other 10 subs that are able to make this dive, can only hold 1-3 passengers max, and the cost to build one of those subs, while meeting regulatory standards, would outweigh the potential upside of selling tours. Stockton built a sub that holds 5-9 people, extremely cheaply, with parts orphaned from all over the place & carbon fiber that was past its shelf life for Boeing that he got a discount on. This sub was going to be extremely profitable if it worked. It just didn't work. There's no other explanation. If you built the sub correctly, as per the guidelines, you would never be able to get 4+ people in it, cashing in at a $1 million per expedition. Stockton invested in the sub, cut corners and constantly tried to keep this thing profitable. It was a bad business model, and he avoided government oversight by calling everyone onboard an explorer instead of a tourist. If he would have called it a Titanic Tour, he probably would have been violating some sort of existing law that prohibits businesses from doing exactly what he did. All of this stuff about collecting sonar data to help understand the decay rate of Titanic is rubbish. That is yet again an excuse to call it a scientific expedition. Furthermore, he would advertise this in such a way where people going on the tours were effectively listed as employee's of Oceangate during the expedition, as they were told to participate in the scientific activities. He was operating in some sort of legal grey-area with all of this, and I'm surprised he didn't get shut down. On paper this was a scientific expedition, and people were paying to participate in the scientific expedition. In reality he was just selling tours to the Titanic in an extremely dangerous fashion.
Who cares WHY he did it. If we want to prevent further disasters like this with highly risky tourism, some regulations are in order re. equipment, training, and informed consent. That's going to be particularly important as we get further into space tourism. But, as always, caveat emptor. If someone is willing to risk their life - and the care of their loved ones - for a thrill, that's on them.
Couldn’t agree more. “Citizen scientists” 🙄 I’m very interested to know what the crew on Polar Prince at the surface was doing for the nearly 12 HOURS it took them to report the sub missing to the coast guard. Very suspicious.
The more I see of Stockton the more I think that he was living on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger curve. Those people are intolerable in engineering situations and downright dangerous is life-critical situations. Managers love them because they always act like they know what they are doing. Those same managers ignore experienced engineers who tell them that the project will fail. All you can do is sit back and wait for them to fail and try to avoid having them throw you under the bus for their failure. Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Stockton preferentially hired people living on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger curve.
Worth mentioning here that the guy *did* have an engineering degree... in aerospace. wanted to add this just because I think a lot of other people reading these comments might instinctively think that that being educated and being a Dunning-Kruger gold medalist are mutually exclusive. Not at all. People who are very educated in one field can start posturing as experts in every field, and the result is always both loud and jaw-droppingly stupid (i.e. Dr. Oz and Jordan Peterson). Stockton Rush probably could have made a real legacy for himself if he hadn't decided he was smarter and more special than every other engineer who had reached a consensus.
@@VS-kf5qw I worked with people who (claimed to) had PhDs. And a few of those were Dunning-Kruger subjects. So yes, education has no bearing of where you are on that curve.
There is another sub that's not certified, owned and operated by Karl Stanley who has made more than 2,000 successful dives. He was a passenger on Stockton's second trip to the Titanic. Stanley said he heard crackling sounds going down and returning until they reached 300 feet. He told Rush in an email that he thought the carbon fiber was failing at different places on the hull. This incident will probably kill his business.
I'll disagree on the sub business and it's because people are stupid. Hear me out. The fact that this was carbon fiber is becoming a bigger issue than the fact it was a sub going so deep. I predict this will set back CARBON FIBER for years to come. People are going to hear "this plane has carbon fiber wings" or "this car has carbon fiber suspension arms" and they're going to look sideways at it for a generation.
@@piquat1 nah, carbon fiber has proven itself in aerospace construction. It was never used in deep sea exploration and probably won't in the near future. No one is gonna hate carbon fiber just because an arrogant fool used it incorrectly...
@@Robert-55thankyou! Carbon fiber as a material in all use cases is not to blame here. Any material will fail if it’s weaknesses aren’t considered, and even then if the shape is designed incorrectly. Even if carbon fiber was the best material for this application, Rush’s batch was not if the best condition- past its shelf life such that Boeing wouldn’t make planes out of it!
@@Robert-55 Ya, none of what you wrote matters. People are stupid, they aren't going to think about any of that. A carbon fiber sub has imploded and killed 5 people. Carbon fiber is now garbage in the minds of common idiots.
The next implosion will be OceanGate itself, there are indications they're preparing a legal defense and have closed ranks, their website is still inaccessible since the announcement of the implosion. A lot of very tough questions will be asked of anyone and everyone involved with this disaster and so far not a single word from anyone at that company. Not even a statement of condolence for the loss of their passengers/customers. I'm just wondering how many paper shredders and disk erasers they have going now.
There were a couple I think. But Rush hired young inexperienced people and said it was because 50 year old white men weren't "inspiring". What he likely meant was those sorts of people had skills and experience and refused to cut corners.
Apparently at least one other employee had concerns and after trying to voice them ended up leaving the company. Their position was apparently as an operations technician and one thing they mentioned was that the carbon fiber hull was supposed to be 7 inches thick but was only 5. They also mentioned that other employees and contractors supposedly raised concerns/doubts but were ignored. How truthful any of that is I can't say but I'd honestly be surprised if as investigations continue and information becomes public it's not confirmed.
@@lesigh1749 And the young inexperienced people wouldn't dare question Stockton Rush, Rush even said it himself, that he cut so many corner, Stockton Rush was a careless idiotic person.
@@jayhuff239 Your reading comprehension sucks, I wasn't dissing him, I was dissing you for asking such a stupid question: "what's your point?"" Why ask an obvious question?
Stockton Rush was no engineer. The first thing we learn as engineering students is safety. I worked for a large well known corporation who shipped products I hand been on the design teams that we all knew did not meet published specifications. And bad things happened. Pure greed and just worried about the stock price. This type of behavior is criminal.
I think I read that the success rate for every component used in the Apollo programme had to meet a 99.9999999% target. I can't even begin to think how low Rush's target figure was (Is "That'll do" a % score?) Also I read that most submersibles and all deep sea subs had two sets of controls hard wired to different power sources to make it fail safe. Rush used a Play station game controller. He must be a brilliant salesman though. Both Harding and PH had been on genuine certified deep sea subs. What on earth made them go on Rush's death trap ?
A rudimentary search reveals carbon fibre doesnt yield - just fails catastrophically. Besides that nother google search would reveal the historical evidence of concerns with safety. If these ppl ( including "mission specialists/passengers" were so cavalier with their own lives imagine how they possibly felt about those they had influence over.
Cameron didn't dive 30 times to the titanic on a self designed sub. His 33 dives to the Titanic were on a russian sub, Mir, operated by the Russian Academy of Sciences. He did dive on a self designed sub to Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench
They have a few errors in this episode. They seem to want the dirt on SR's frame of mind, rather than the facts to a certain extent.. but these professionalswill hardly badmouth another engineer. It's not cricket, or ethical. Leave that to youter's..
@@adamdurham16 James Cameron is a Canadian hero! Unfortunately, a lot of people think he's an American! Check out all the other great movies he made besides the Titanic!!!
And no hatch. That was the most insane thing to me, being bolted in from the OUTSIDE so that even if they had been able to surface, they would have to hope and pray the rescuers could find them before they smothered to death. That was insanity and terrible planning IMO. It wasn't a safety argument. It was a physics argument.
It's highly ironic that Oceangate implied it would bury the expert (Lochridge, who warned about the flaws in the submersible) in legal fees. Yet ultimately it was Stockton Rush who was "buried".
I feel for everyone involved, especially the families, this is not the way an individual trys to get into the history books. No one is going to let this go for a very long time. Scientifically, politically and morally. With documentaries and legal issues for years to come.
Stockton Rush makes me feel somewhat better about my own stupidity. at least my own stupidity never killed anyone. You've gotta take what you can from these tragedies.
@ko7577 How does that justify his blatent diregard for safety and killing himself and 4 others? His unprecedented implosion is what he will be remembered for.
@ko7577He was an idiot. You are one too. Go fingerpaint or buy a coloring book. You are far too stupid to converse with critical thinking human beings.
Stockton Rush is a strong candidate for this year's Darwin Award gold medal. The only one I feel sorry for is the 19 year old. The 4 old men should have known better.
Well, the old guys procreated already, so the "Darwin" effect of the award wasn't really there anymore - except one of them managed to literally drag his son down with him.
I don't think you know what the Darwin award is. It means dying without having offspring. So the only one that got the Darwin award was the 19 year old.
Even if you are not an engineer, going down to those depths in an uncertified container that could only be opened from the outside, operated by a game’s console, along with dodgy waiver would raise massive red flags
Well, two things are slightly off. From an engineering point choosing a game controller makes sense. It's durable, simple and proven. They just work. I personally would have chosen the wired variant but that's just because I'm not sure about bluetooth in this environment. Second, choosing a hatch that can only be open from outside makes sense in this design too. This allows for more stability against pressure (as no mechanism is in place, except the bolts building up the force to close it) Nontheless this was dogy as hell, two materials with way different behavior against pressure, choosing carbon with it's bad stats regarding withstanding pressure (especially dynamically changing pressure) ignoring the standard certificate regulations and going with a bulleye that was rated only for a partial depth. There are problematic things, but people keep bringing up wrong arguments.
The game controller wasn’t the problem. Using a game controller for operate a vehicle is actually very smart and just simplifies the operation of the that vehicle or machine. I’ve said myself it would make a lot of Sense to incorporate a gaming controller into a helicopter considering how much easier it would make it to fly. However I would still have manual controls ready to use at a moments notice as well. So the controller aspect wasn’t the issue at all. It was the carbon fiber hull that weakened as a result of expansion and contraction with each decent the pressure squeezed those carbon fibers and when it came back to the surface the carbon fibers expanded subsequently weaning the molecular bond of them. It’s no different than bending a metal bar back and forth till it eventually snaps. That was the biggest flaw of the titan among others
To say that the certification standards are "too conservative" is what immediately screams "this should never take passengers". If he wanted to risk his own life that's one thing, but the reason the standards are conservative is because it you're going to carry passengers it should be very robustly designed - not "experimental".
If you have enough money that dropping a quarter mil for you is like buying a nice writing pen for most people, the "experience" is primary and the cost is insignificant. Unlike climbing Everest which takes real physical effort and everyone knows you can easily die, you just sit in this tube and look at the Titanic. No effort required and perhaps even more exclusive than the Everest crowd.
I am one of those who did not know of OceanGate until this dive. Even if I had the money to afford passage, I would never jeopardize my life in this way.
A ovi ostali koji su ga sledili u smrt i jos platili!? To su oni u razredu,sto su uvek voleli da budu u drustvu pametnog decaka,jer ce zbog njegq i oni biti primeceni,pa nema veze sto su glupi...😢
This should be a cautionary tale as to the power of a good salesperson. If you read the texts he was sending to people selling 'the last few spots' at a discount, they were classic sales persistence. He honestly believed in the product, so much that he would put his own life on the line. That gave people confidence in the product, which is another issue often caused by a cult of personality. People generally have okay BS detectors ... but good acting and 'all in' belief often get through that. He had both. He was personable, prepared, persistent and reckless. Fearlessness makes good test pilots, CEOs and innovators. Unfortunately it is not a great thing for an engineer to be.
@@Solitarynana7870 Exactly. Test pilots push the limits. Engineers are the 'checks and balance' against that. This guy was playing both roles. Not a good combo and there was no balance. You always need a Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park. 'Just because we could, doesn't mean that we should.' Rush was reckless and had zero empathy for anything other than his own legacy. He made his bet using the lives of others.
What cracks me up the most about the whole thing was their system to "alert" them that the hull was compromised. Like, what? If alarms are going off for compromised hull, ANYWHERE below like 50 foot, you're done. There's no point in having it just to know you're going to die in 5 seconds.
The RTM system sent the alert 19 minutes before the sub imploded. That's 19 minutes of pure dread and horror. Maybe it would have been better to not even have any heads up at that point.
@@AngelofHogwartswhat are you even talking about no alert ever went off there was no 19 minutes of horror they were in la la land thinking everything was fine and in a few seconds they were dead
This is so simple: the hull was made out of carbon fiber, and the end-caps were glued on. This thing was practically BUILT TO FAIL. It is shocking to me that it survived even one deep dive.
I wouldn't say built to fail, but using composites you do have a "life limited" scenario. Meaning you can only use it for a certain amount of time and then you discard and build a new one. You might be able reuse some parts, but the composites are usually done for.
@@gabrielsaavedra7916 He didn’t even have it woven around the cylinder which would have been much stronger. Instead, it was coiled around the cylinder, perpendicular to the cylinder surface.
@@biscuitninjathat’s fairly obvious not being rude, but the person here was talking about how the composite section was basically “glued” to the titanium ends (and I’m not even mentioning the vast difference in compressive strength between them) making the entire 2 parts of the sub that are joining the 3 pieces into massive failure points. I don’t care how strong this glue is, it is not surviving 15+ or however many trips to the titanic depth
@biscuitninja This is not the sort of thing you build a disposable version of lol. If it was unmanned and it was just a test vehicle to see what a submersible of this sort could endure, or if it was strictly being used for video footage or something along those lines, then by all means build it and see what it’s got. But to take people on something like this where failure is a given, is insane.
People werent warning him because they didn't want him to succeed. They warned him because they knew this exactly is what would happen. Such an avoidable thing. Its sad and shtty.
@@CourtneyLee62 ...then sued them! You can warn as "aggressively" as you like, @wernerostwald287, but if a CEO of a _private company_ is determined to continue, you cannot _force_ them to change their mind - a public authority is different.
@@221b-Maker-Street Rush was a millionaire that could've just held out in court and stretched the case out long enough till the engineer goes broke from all the legal fees and will eventually have to drop the case. The engineer most likely would've been under NDA so OceanGate could've theoretically sued him for every penny if he tried to speak out at all. Warning aggressively was probably the most he could've done at this point.
He did NOT want to spend that amount of money on certifying the Titan because he knew it would FAIL! The PR hit from that would prevent a craft he thought was "good enough" to gain customers.
Or he didnt have the money to spend that much or he just wanyed to get as much money out of it so he wanted to make the sub as cheap as possible. Its a Amercan bussiness so.... it wouldnt be the first time
He reminds me of my grandma. Ignorant, only believes what she wants, treats her opinions as if they are facts, only asks for opinions in hopes of hearing what she wants and will disregard anything else.
One point I'd like to make: It's important to know that the carbon fiber hull in the version of Titan that imploded is NOT the same hull that was in Titan in 2018. Rush had a new hull made in 2020 and that is what was used in Titan for all of the dives to the Titanic.
Anyone with a 3d printer will understand why you wouldn't lay the layers parallel to each other. If it was cross hatched it would have been far stronger. The separation happened where the titanium hull met the carbon fiber hull. Pressure effects materials of different density to the point of work hardening after few cycles. The bond in the layers would separate due to the stress eventually.
it’s hard to pick a reason. So many problems. The latest is that they also descended too fast (more than 25m/minute), causing unnecessary stress to the hull. This is yet to be formally confirmed. But would fit perfectly with everything else.
I have my doubts any current iteration of epoxy resin and carbon fiber would be suitable for more than a single dive and even then... a bit risky. There's a reason you use materials with predictable crystalline morphologies with tried and true means of post stress evaluation. Metals offer this... composites just do not.
Hmm. I think I might have figured out how it failed. As the carbon fiber was wound uniformly, this makes it easy to slice. The titanium caps slide under the carbon fiber, which forms a cutting blade. The repeated compression cycles slowly cut through. There would also be a lifting force on the glue, which helps to explain why it was gone (clean metal). A better design would have been 3 titanium spheres all joined together. A hatch at one end, and a round joining tunnel to crawl through. This would be both light and strong.
@@WhyWouldYouDrawThat " As the carbon fiber was wound uniformly," You mean, this YT video shows a few seconds of CF being wound in one direction only. That does not mean that every layer of the 5" of CF were all wound that way, does it? Other video of its construction show CF being wound on different angles.
15:29 Exactly, as an engineer, I verify, test, validate disk drives, it is the same thing. We need processes in place, test criterias, scenarios, test cases, going through extensive checks, materials used, software, firmware, hardware..all have to be. tested.And when an engineer raises concerns, do not ignore. We are paid to do a job of protecting, safety, balance of systems.
Nah overall this will benefit the wider community. They already know how to build safe vessels that go to the deepest points on earth. Titanium sphere, that's it. But this has emphasized and put into harsh perspective the reason we go through certain processes to ensure our engineering is safe. Those boring lectures will hit home a little harder for a while. Moving forward this is probably a win for safety and testing, and will reduce the potential for more rogue engineers like Rush from doing things like this or even being able to. We've got very complacent with how good we have for at building amazing things, hopefully this is a reminder that changes people's cynicism towards the increased cost of good engineering practice.
As a person who worked in plant were composite flanges are built from 1" - 100+ " for piping systems in factories all over the United States and the best in the US. I can say the method they used to connect the carbon fiber to the metal was without a dout the failure point. It squeezed the carbon fiber cylinder causing a leak and from the pressure and rush of water in compressing the air inside until it blew the end caps off. And it all happen in a split second.
I used to work for CPF Dualam from 1990 to 2013. The company was a huge tank and piping fabricator. And I thought the same thing the moment I knew it has implosed. Delamination.
Maybe its just me.... But the more I learn about this man who clearly had more money than sense , and his egregious flouting of safety precautions, the more fantastical this entire story gets, making it increasingly difficult to believe its authenticity. I simply cannot accept that one person, much less an entire company, who's entire selling point was based on one product, could continue to make catastrophic decision, after even more catastrophic decisions, and with absolutely no opposition or push back over and above a face to face meeting over 5 years ago that ended in nothing more than a new waiver being drafted. It's utterly unfathomable to me that it appeared the mere fact of being wealthy meant Rush could be left alone to play Russian roulette with the lives of complete strangers with ZERO SAFETY MEASURES in place. And if that weren't enough, the fact that he deliberately registered his company in the Bahamas so as to avoid the strict regulations he'd be subject to by registering it as a US based company, tells us in no uncertain terms just how cognisant he was to avoid regulations that he felt were only there to hinder him, when in fact they only exist to mitigate the possible risk to life such endeavours as this clearly pose smdh, and that alone is indicative of a far broader issue around the mind set of just one man that it appears the combined voices of an entire submersible industry, were utterly incapable of stopping.
In every industry you have a cowboy that wants to push the boundaries. This was such a tragedy that could have been avoided, only if he had done things properly. RIP all lives lost😢
This is plain and simple *greed* . Pushing the boundaries is one thing, as is innovation, and another completely different is having a complete disregard of human lives and only care for money... as I read in another comment from another video, this man should not have been allowed to be in charge of nothing more than a golf car. The worst thing is that most so called CEOs are exactly like that. We´re in the hands of monsters.
@@pimplequeen2Not really. You can still innovate 'properly'...but you have to accept that some of your innovations will be destroyed through testing. The ones that survive become innovations, and the rest are useful failures.
Stockton was a failed astronaut who cut many, many corners in his rush to resurrect his dream. His hubris prevented him from understanding the four elements. Just deplorable
@@AbrahamsAnt He wanted to be a maverick, a rule breaker, a pioneer. He saw himself as the next Elon Musk of the high seas, but obviously with disastrous results!
Having worked in composites my whole life i can tell you exactly what happened. The expoxy was pushed past its breaking point. Ultimately you could have used burlap it wouldnt have changed the outcome . It was the wrong application
@@AnotherPointOfView944 Pressure cycles cause cracks to the hull from small imperfections in the hull. This leads to delamination and possibly buckling. It's well understood that composite materials are strong, but in tension, not in compression. Now epoxy took all the compression, and when it failed, whole thing imploded. We'll have to wait for investigation to know what really happened, but anyone who's worked with composite materials sees glaring problems in the design of this craft.
@@jarivuorinen3878agree epoxy is the first to fail when used on pistons and compressed through cylinders. It starts out strong and reliable but after a certain amount of use it is the first to fail.
@@Steelriter There's a reason why aircraft have airframe lifetime measured in pressure cycles, even if it's tension that's stressing the airframe and not compression. Although aircraft have another reason for this than delamination risk of composites, it's the cycles that harden duralumin parts that experience pressure cycles. It also suffers from corrosion. Duralumin however can be heat treated to renew its properties, composites can't be fixed in any reliable manner.
Titanic was sunk by systemic errors that caused a catastrophe in somewhat unusual circumstances. Titan was sunk in normal circumstances because it ignored the well established system practices.
It was complacency, which is arrogance. Ego was a driving force in both cases. Every major religious or spiritual tradition in history regards arrogance as absolute poison to spiritual development, toxic and highly corrosive to the soul. In christianity, it is the original sin itself, which made god cast satan from heaven into hell, thus creating all suffering, according to that faith. It is the cause of murder, betrayal, abuse, atrocity, and evil, across this old earth, and it has always caused those things. So, I guess you are right. A deadly force.@@VersusARCH
Titanic's builders weren't arrogant. A great deal of planning went into building one of the safest ships of the time. The 2 major factors which caused or exacerbated the disaster were 1) reducing the number of lifeboats from the original design by half: fault the owners, and 2) steaming through a known ice field area at 20+ knots in pitch darkness. Fault, Captain Smith.
OceanGate's former chief director of marine operations, David Lockridge should have been the center of this story. He warned OceanGate about the submarine and was promptly fired and given 10mins to clear out his desk.
. . . and then he was harassed and clubbed by the company's attorneys with the American legal system for trying to do the right thing. And then there are the ambulance chasers on the other side, who basically commit legalized fraud and theft everyday, driving up costs and reducing opportunities for everyone. I swear I think half the lawyers in the U.S. have sold their souls to the devil.
Any Materials Engineer will tell you there's a reason Carbon Fibre isn't used for Pressure Vessels, and it's because CF behaves very differently under high compression. It delaminates under repeated compressions. This isn't a new phenomenon with CF, it's a fairly well known one. This was sheer Hubris on Rush's part.
He was quoting a guy that was not talking about beaking scientific rules and in case of breaking safety rules this general was talking about risking other peoples live not his own...
@@Bialy_1 Very true. In the Korean was General MacArthur should have stopped way before the border with China. That way China may never have entered the war and Korea would maybe have been a whole country by now. We never know because of his stupid hubris. Now the people in North Korea is starving because of his actions.
Thanks for everything Stockton cRush. You provided a never ending amount of RUclips content and made a lot of creators money through views. You crushed it buddy!
yep. I will for sure make more videos on this - if you do daily videos, you need what to talk about. And this case has so many learning opportunities within it, that no matter what kind of channel you have, you can spin a lesson out of this one.
The more I see about this guy the more I think he deserved his fate. It's just a shame he had to take four other people's lives over hubris. He was right about one thing though. He'll definitely be remembered for the "rules he broke" seeing as there's never been a catastrophic implosion before he did it first like the true maverick he was.
shame they didn't have a couple spare hulls on board just in case like the controller's🤣🤣🤣 cause if your hull fails your dead a controller dies change the batteries or just drop the weights and go back to the surface🤣🤣🤣
Interesting, because last week I was reading all kinds of comments from people that use cream of the crop bicycles and just about everyone of them that had purchased carbon fiber bicycles wrote that they sucked for a number of reasons. As someone who knows zip about bicycles that was surprising - except that it's another example of the power of marketing BS.
Carbon fiber bikes are great because they are light weight. They break though. I had a Specialized bike and stood on top of both pedal the forks SHATTERED
I really think,had the 4 passengers known all the factors built into Titan that Rush did to compromise it’s integrity & safety totally to save MONEY,they would never have gone down in it. Rush HAD to know implosion was an inevitable event-he even had the advice from some of the best experts there are that this would fail. His hull became a wet toilet roll core at repeated depth. Had it been wound in a criss-cross pattern,MAYBE it could’ve had more strength? His “innovation” is a set-back for those following his idea’s. Accidents are tragic but this was criminal indifference to the safety of others…imo
The carbon fibre was laid down wet and simply wound round a core. I worked for a company building carbon fibre parts for Red Bull racing F1 team, not in a technical function I want to add. But I accompanied our engineers to one of the biggest autoclave ovens in the world, where the methods were explained to me by some of the world's leading engineers in this field. The method Rush chose for his design has majors flaws, even when building parts "only" for race cars, let alone something to withstand the pressure at 4000m depth. Perhaps one day, a design, baked in an autoclave with a different method of laying down carbon fibre will be built. But honestly, I think this method and material are dead for a long time, no pun intended.
@@marcusott2973 Let's hope, if this material is ever again resurrected for pressure hulls, that it is tested in ROVs with engineering teardowns, and not with paying passengers.
@@marcusott2973as bad as it was that it wasn’t finished in an autoclave, what really terrified me was the fact that it didn’t look like there were any dust/debris controls when they were laying down the fiber. Would not be surprised to find (if such a thing could ever be determined) if the hull failure started at a void created by imperfections and inclusions from the construction process. If you don’t mind being freaked out by stupidity - go search for the video of the hull being constructed. It was so bad that I first thought it wasn’t a legitimate video, that’s how clownish the operation looks.
8:36, it is factually incorrect that Carbon fiber has never been used before. It was used in a sub going to the mariana trench, but it was a one time use submersible exactly for the reason of structural fatigue. It worked once and was retired. But it did happen non the less.
That vessel looked like it was made from scrap metal and put together by blind people!!! The titanium end caps were GLUED to the unsuitable carbon fibre hull....GLUED 😭😮
Hindsight is 20/20. I'm betting you never think to check that your brake lines aren't leaking or lug nuts are all tight every time you go out on the interstate at 75 mph. He made the same dive a couple dozen times without problems so probably felt pretty safe.
@@gorkyd7912That's where you're wrong good sir. I understand the point you're making, but I, along with most people, would have my car towed to a mechanic immediately if they saw that it was leaking a suspicious looking fluid. We aren't all as careless as Stockton Rush.
Stockton Rush: Hey, I want to innovate and make an experimental submersible to withstand the immensely dangerous pressures at the Titanic. Engineers: OK, cool. You going with one of the proven and time tested designs? Stockton Rush: Nah, we're gonna make it bigger, and we're going to use 2 different materials, and instead of a hatch we're just gonna remove and re-seal the endcap every dive. Engineers: That sounds like a really bad idea! Please tell us you're at LEAST going to use the finest materials and manufacturing processes? Stockton Rush; Nah, we're gonna use an under-spec window and bargain bin carbon fiber, and glue it together in a warehouse. Engineers: Wait, stop, you can't... Stockton Rush: STFU, I'm a genius, you're all cowards, I'm doing it and you're gonna be so jealous! Engineers: * popcorn *
👍AGREE 💯 , WHAT PUZZLES ME IS THE MOST GOVERNMENT , OSAH , JUST TURN THIER HEADS ON ALL THIS SAFTEY ISSUES BEING IGNORED & LET THIS TRAGEDY HAPPEN THEY ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE 🤨😡 JUST BEYOND REASON 🤔🤔???
@@gilbertsoto2472government is designed so that it can really only restrict the poor. The rich always have mechanisms around the rules. The problem for the rich is that physics doesn't care how much money you have.
The result of the expert intervention was that OceanGate beefed up its disclaimers. Instead of improving their design and saving lives, OceanGate was concerned with preventing lawsuits.
"You’re remembered for the rules you break..." The irony is remarkable. Rush will certainly be remembered for the rules he broke, and therefore, the lives that were lost due directly to the rules he broke.
Nah, these morons took their own life. Just Darwinism at work. They all knew that it was basically a suicide mission and now they got what they have asked for.
Well, since he was onboard the sub himself when it failed, I think it's safe to say that he whole-heartedly believed it was safe. He was wrong, ofcourse, but I don't think it was in any way malicious.
The Hydraulic Press Channel built a scale model carbon fibre submersible and tested to like 2 miles or something. The implosion was impressive. And quick.
This is by far the most comprehensive explanation I've come across of how the submersible was put together compared to others and the certification process.
Literally EVERYONE is saying the exact same thing on all these videos. This is common sense to anyone who paid attention in 5th grade science class (at least back in the '80s). Back then we learned about oceanic depths and atmospheric pressures. Robert Ballard found the Titanic in 1985, so it was a hot topic in schools for years after that. When it was learned that OG used carbon FIBER for the hull, the rest was quite obvious what happened to them. I knew the USCG was lying to people about having hope finding them alive and 96 hours of oxygen BS they supposedly had remaining. Low and behold, that Thursday the USCG had to admit that the USN picked up a sound like an implosion around the EXACT time OG lost contact with the Titan submersible. It's not rocket science folks. Actually Stockton Rush though he COULD use "rocket science" in place of ocean and submersible science, hence the carbon fiber hull. So there's that. 🙄🤦🏾♂️
@@wadewilson8011really, the education system was far tougher in the 80s. I mean teaching children how repeated cycle compressive pressure will lead to the separation of resin layer with the fibres, leading to the delamination of carbon fibre panels.
If that's the case then he must have known about the risk of using carbon fiber for sure. There's a reason why they mounted the sensors. Maybe he thought they would give him enough time to float the vessel back up if any of them were detecting something. Goes in line with their marketing about having "plenty of time".
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Best conversation I have heard on the subject.
As a scientist and mechanical engineer, I am shocked by the egregious actions of Stockton Rush who was driven by greed, profit, fame and expediency in replacement for sound judgement that he was taught in engineering school.
The act of a madman and his charisma allowed him to convince others to join him and bankroll this death dive. Non technical people have no idea what the risks are.
There were literally 20 mistakes made. Stockton Rush was a fool. The other experts interviewed just wouldn't say it.
@ko7577 wrong. the company wasn't doing dives in the ocean but in canals and lakes. learn about the Triton Submarine craft they were the ones that rediscovered The Titanic and took the footage you are talking about.
The Instinct of self-preservation. I searched Rush and immediately got Lochridge - "...and the porthole was only certified to withstand pressure of 1,300 meters, even though OceanGate planned to take the submersible 4,000 meters underwater." That was a good enough explanation for me as being unsafe. A nailed coffin. There's a myriad of wrongs.
Tony Nissan never bothered to do a simple bench test model of the tube.
Well said
@ko7577this is complete nonsense. There hasn't been an accident in this sector for decades because it's been self policed by people who respected the laws of physics. This fool pushed his luck repeatedly until it ran out.
Stockton was free to do whatever he wanted… but being so cavalier with *other people’s* lives is what is unforgivable.
At least he went down with them. Most grifters like that would have just taken the money and watched from a tv screen.
If you ask me, his face should be scrubbed from the internet. Placing the lives of people at risk for his pride and financial gains makes him truly evil. Even in the contracts he had those people sign mentioned their families couldn't sue his company in the events of them dying if anything goes wrong. A new level of evil.
And the fallout of his recklessness will have consequences that others will have to deal with. As well as the deep sea exploration community will be impacted by this.
YES
The passengers placed themselves n peril. There is enough guilt to go around by then all.
Corners Sockton cut:
1. Use of expired carbon fibers not even suitable for aerospace with a 1 atm pressure differential, let alone 350 atm,
2. Failure to crossweave the fibers during hull construction,
3. Failure to cure the epoxy resin in an autoclave to eliminate bubbles and voids,
4. Failure to perform adequate safety testing or get classed for chartered vessels as is industry standard,
5. Failure to perform nondestructive testing (ultrasound) after every dive to look for new defects,
6. The choice of using carbon fiber epoxy composite as a hull material in the first place, which is much weaker in compression and is prone to buckling delamination failure in this configuration after the cyclic stresses of repeated dives,
7. Blatantly ignoring all experts on the matter, treating all constructive criticism as personal insult, etc...
What could possibly go wrong?
8. Having no genuine concern for other people's lives.
9. Using different types of material for each part of the sub which all expand/contract at different points... 😩
+the only-1300m-qualified window
Its unbelievable he didn't at least do an ultrasound.
He reminds me of a child putting their fingers in their ears saying "I cant hear you!". He didn't want to know anything that said he shouldn't do this trip. Like what he doesn't know can't hurt him.
Didn't vary orientation of plies? Not cured in an autoclave under vacuum? Might be useful as a trash bin.
What I’ve learned from all this is that just because someone is confident doesn’t mean they are right
Amen!
"The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence."
Oh jfc you've just learned this my
God 😵
It’s more like trust your gut. Don’t listen to someone just because they’re confident
Confidence + ignorance
Typical silicone valley mindset, just like Elizabeth Holmes, fake it till you make it. All of the sudden you’re either in prison or dead 😶🌫️
The fact that even in the 1930s, with the very first submersible, they managed to create a more appropriate vessel is- wow.
Those early submersibles weren't built for the purpose of making money nor were they obsessed with proving all the actual experts wrong.
They also were very studied and proved and tested by engineers and certified, also gave a range of risk higher than these dudes, submerging the vessel to less capacity... that CEO Dumbass 🤦
@ko7577 It also came later because there's been a market for long distance travel for centuries. Before planes, you had ships and trains. Planes just offered a far faster alternative.
USS turtle was the first sub, made in 1775. If a sub from years ago lasted so much longer than a titan, then that says everything.
@@0ddly0ddlessI just learned about that sub, the military people on it had to manually power it . Absolutely wild that an 18th century sub was safer than one built in the 21st century one. In the 1700’s ships were still made of wood and powered by sails and the only way to travel nationally was the stage coaches and they still managed to make a sub safer than the titan.
"Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cris of "you are going to kill someone" way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult."
Someone should etch that to his gravestone. It'd serve as a warning for anyone else who thinks cutting corners while belittling the dangers, driven forth by ego and tbh this is how he deserves to be remembered for his deliberate and continued mistakes in judgment.
It's time to rewrite the dictionary by changing Machoism to Stocktonism!
There needs to be remains to have a grave, to have a grave stone.
@@maxdecphoenixJust scoop some flesh mist from the recovered parts and call it a day.
And the co-founder sounds just as narcissistic! Scary.
Bruce Ismay arrogant self consumed and naive, deja-vu?
Rush: “I’ve spent a fortune.”
Physics: “And this gives you power over me?”
Rush: "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator."
You keep saying that word, but you clearly don't know what it means. In fact, you will be forever remembered as the overconfident profiteer, who became so full of himself, that he guaranteed failure in a way that amounted to manslaughter/suicide. An innovator would have tested, and improved, and tested again, until the idea was either proven safe (within a well understood number of dive cycles, plus ample safety margin for cycles and maximum depth) or proven impossible to make safe. Those folks who (some even successfully) rode barrels over Niagara Falls, couldn't truthfully be called 'innovators'. They were stunt people (who had the decency not to take others with them).
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No I can't unhear that Tom Hardy voice :D
Bingo 💯🗣️
@@CineSoarthat’s the truth
I guess that at least Stockton was so unbelievably, so incredibly terrible at what he was doing that he didn't end up harming the reputation of the industry.
If anything the fact that so many in the industry reached out to try and warn him speaks well of the industry as a whole, trying to keep each other safe.
Well trust me people would still be afraid to go on the journey no matter what...what happened to the Titan would cause fear
THIS. When this happened i remember a lot of people worrying about this making them look bad.But you're right- it had the opposite effect
STEM fields are inherently altruistic and collaborative. Something a business owner like Rush couldn't quite understand.
I only wish that someone would have persuaded those who perished in the dark sea not to get aboard. This is tragic.
@@brendalohrke2402 i watch a profiling video of the passangers. most of them are someone who doesnt have any regret anymore if they lost their life except the father and son. those 2 are joining simply because curiousity and doesnt know the real track record about Rush in the industry forum. if both know that other experts have been warning him, i think they wont go
I found it interesting that they mentioned that his ambition to be an astronaut was curbed by his vision deficiency. In the end, turns out there was a much bigger deficiency with his brain than his vision.
He lacked the ability to see his own shortcomings as a designer. Definite vision problems.
His first dream was figuratively crushed by literal short sightedness. His second dream was literally crushed by figurative short sightedness.
Now that I think about it. Maybe thats why he built a life philosophy around breaking rules and ignoring regulations. One of his ultimate dreams (space travel) was stonewalled by rules that were enforced. He never let that go since.
badum tish
"Do you lack vision, or do you lack 'vision'."; moments before he was imploded.
THIS SICK MAN LITERALLY BRAGGED AND BOASTED ABOUT BREAKING RULES.
Safety rules are written in blood. If there’s a rule, there’s usually a tragedy behind it. The fact that it never occurred to him to ask WHY it was done that way is just… staggering.
I don't think this will hurt the industry overall.. in fact I think it has made even more people interested in it.
Furthermore, it has also made people aware that they should only go on CLASSED tourism submersibles - which will help prevent other "pioneers" from "rolling the dice" by self-certifying their own submersibles rather than having them certified by the third parties that constitute "the standard certification process"
Also, I believe he didn't want to certify it because of the costs and time, but more importantly I believe he probably didn't want to get it certified and classed because he had a high suspicion that it wouldn't pass those certification and classification standards & procedures.
The story behind sub safe is testimony to your statement.
That he was 'allowed' to ignore this is worse
to be fair, his passion wqs to deep and no money, someone give the man 10 million for a real vessel, in the name of science... not that it matters now... .
“Never Rush your work” has a whole new meaning
''Rush'' has a new meaning
Truer words have never been spoken 👏
Never Rush into anything. As the saying goes "More haste less speed."
@@cvaderxnot real... rushing for sucess. Rushing to cut corners. He will definitely be remembered for the rules he broke!
"I'd like to be remembered as an innovator" oh, boy. He's going to be remembered as an arrogant, dangerous individual who doesn't care about safety and human life.
A CLASSIC COVERT NARCISSIST, WHO HAS NO CONCERN FOR OTHERS. IT'S ALL ABOUT H I M.
He's going to be remembered as an idiot.
I think the most dangerous thing about Rush wasn't that he didn't believe the experts, I think he just thought he was smarter than all of them. The reality was that he knew enough to sound like he knew what he was talking about to people outside the industry, but not enough to understand why all his shortcuts he was taking were such a bad idea.
Dude had more money than brains !!! :/:/:/
He didn't believe the experts, and he was careless with other people's lives.
Spunds like a politician I know.
Why hire an expert / advisor if you are going to ignore him..
I never get this with people.. I have seen this many times
@@MichaelRoziethey want you to agree with them, validate them,and if you dont they attack you
it's absolutely infuriating that after being warned about how dangerous their sub was, Oceangate's response was TO CHANGE THEIR WAIVER TO PROTECT THEMSELVLES LEGALLY NOT TO CHANGE THE DESIGN. So selfish and deceptive.
No, actually oceangates response was to pretty much rebuild the sub, they replaced the entire carbon fibre hull in either 2020 or 21, it’s just the media for some reason don’t like the mention that aspect, instead they go for the Stockton was a monster approach..
@@elliotease4390 Rebuilt to unsafe specifications? What depth was the port rated for again?
@@shooterqqqq and this is the problem with people like you, blindly believing everything you have seen, was the “port hole” as you call it mentioned by the engineer? No, I don’t believe it was, yet you’ve been told it was an issue, maybe you people should wait until the investigation is over before throwing out your wild predictions..
I saw on the news that they actually call themselves “crews” and not passengers so that when accidents happen they’re not liable for manslaughter. Obviously they don’t know the laws. No amount of wavers or calling crews instead of passengers would free them from criminal gross negligence. I hope those enablers and those who kissed his a** for money with zero ethics as an engineer all go to jail for manslaughter. Someone needs to be responsible for 4 people’s deaths. 😢
@@elliotease4390 The carbon fibre he used was out of life (expired DOE) and the carbon fibre layup manufacturing was not carried out in accordance with specifications..........im a Boeing QA inspector on the manufacturing of carbon fibre aerospace components' and missiles.
He didn't carry out the layup process in a clean room, nor did he use an autoclave to cure its prepreg, and did not do any form of ultrasonic inspections of the completed cured structure.
Yeah great engineer!.....................he knew better, he is plain and simple "a murderer".
My dad was a steel draftsman, and he worked on the Sky Dome in Toronto. He was checking someone's work and there were over 700 bolts that were too small...on the largest retracting roof in the world. Just a grunt probably prevented a disaster.
*They actually had to be replaced, because that section had already been put together.
Stayed there- really cool!
Big up to your father, he should be proud.
God bless your dad and those like him who do their jobs well and prevent tragedy.
What do you mean by just a grunt?
@@arbitrarylib endearing term like worker bee 🐝...
The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said "Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one." That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Now ask yourself What's worse, Losing your life for $250,000 or Throwing your life away for $250,000?
they gambled and thought they could get away with it - what was the risk1/1000 or 1/10 000 sold to them but the real risk ? 1/25 ???
A director arguing about engineering, with an engineer, sounds no better than Rush. I dunno how legit that story is, cus it's a very simple question. A washer made of a good stainless steel, is always going to be stronger than the same washer made of a good titanium alloy, and is going to weigh more by an easily calculable amount, depending on the size of the washer. If either washer is even involved in a safety conversation...use bigger washers!
@@ashscott6068except he's not a director at that time but the person having his own submersible built and has spent the previous 10 years doing deep sea exploration. Given that he was going to solo dive to the deepest point in the ocean, fretting about the smallest things isnt too OCD. If you were putting your life on the line would you trust your life without a second opinion?
@@jarihaukilahti1/5
James Cameron submersible was a solo craft and cost $10million and was designed to only be used once at 11,000mtrs in Mariana Trench. No tourism plans and not viable to make an income from. Why is anyone thinking seeing the decaying shell of the Titanic and a deep sea graveyard is a tourist attraction anyway?
Stockton Rush will be remembered for the rules he broke
And nothing else.
I'll remember as a negligent killer
Indeed. How chilling.
He got what he wanted. That was his wish.
@@tonyducks1121ery few people are remembered for anything, most famous people are known for one major achievement or discovery. As sick as it is, he got his wish, he's literally a household name and will be spoken about at length in basically every engineering course for the next century at least.
He's the modern, internet exposed equivalent of every other bloodied "innovator" in history that was stupid enough to put a bad idea to the test in real world situation throwing caution to the wind. The rest of them were relegated to textbooks and lectures.
tbh rush accomplished his goals in life.... he will definitely be remembered for the rules he broke
He proudly advocated them, its no secret. Im surprised the AMOUNT OF FOOLS who paid 250k to ride that thing lol.
@@buzz5969They were people who left their parents basement
@@fucuszullanti7877 Some of them also left common sense behind...
😂😂
@@Bialy_1 Absolutely. Common sense was long gone
The Titan was just a toy and only good for the deep end of a swimming pool.
It was nothing short of stupidity to attempt a dive on the Titanic. How it managed to survive previous dives is remarkable.
Each dive cycle damaged the hull a bit more, until it couldn't take it anymore. That's true for every sub, but due to the poor material of the Titan, it only done like 10 dives until it popped, whereas proper subs can do hundreds of dives.
Yeah it’s true. The fact that it made around 10 dives to the titanic. Is a miracle. Did it make nearly 10 dives to the titanic ?
@@jimmybaldwin737It definitely made several successful dives & produced some awesome video footage that can be viewed on utube.
I think this will forever be an example of what happens when you don't follow safety standards.
They will make this into a case study
@@tankerockThere are sadly a lot of those and the very reason how the standards were formed in the first place.
@@tankerocknot just in engineering, but also in the legal fields as well.
@ko7577 experimenting is cool, given you're not risking other people's lives. The guy just invited some people to be part of his unsafe experiment. So yeah, he should either make a safer submarine, or send the submarine with no people down there.
The tragic irony is that Rush probably died still believing that they were going be able to resurface and this would all be a minor setback. Even if the recently released transcript of communications with the mothership is real and he and the rest of the crew got the warnings that things were going wrong, he probably still felt confident that it was not as bad as it truly was. And when the inevitable happened, it happened too fast for anyone on the vessel, including Rush, to comprehend the full extent of his catastrophic failure.
The recent transcripts have A LOT pointing to them being fake btw.
just as some hat blelive they meet god doing what is actually a sucide -there is now way one can talk sensibility tosuch guys
The saddest part about any idiot-induced catastrophe is always if the idiot dies too quickly for anyone to say "told you".
If u let go of your childish sense of justice your life would be a lot easier
Previous "tourists" report hearing unsettling crack and bang noises during their voyages. The carbon fiber was already damaged and not checked thoroughly. Rush (falsely) relied on the hull monitoring system, which probably updated or reset readings each time it cycled on, resetting the limits. TBD.
He will always be remembered for the rules he broke, broken rules and needlessly thrown away lives under the guise of "exploration". Good job.
yep
its insane to me that we have successfully been down that deep multiple times, and yet instead of just reaching out to anyone who's ever built one, the CEO just... I don't even know, wanted to feel special by DIYing??? Actually absurd
I just keep thinking he built a "5 minute crafts" vessel. It's sad that he took 4 people with him. They trusted him.... I get the waiver and all, but I'm sure they took that as a simple formality. I mean, not trying to speak for the deceased, but..I guess I'm making sense.
Tragic, anyway..
@@justnana13-klj40You are. Their commercial even says "diving SAFELY to Titanic". People sign waivers everyday but they expect in a case like this that the designers and operators are taking reasonable care in the design and operation of the vehicle upon which they're embarking.
@@harrietharlow9929The waivers they signed would get thrown out instantly in a court. You can not make people sign a waiver to cover up for your negligence.
Stockton and the Ship of Fools has actually done the industry a favour. Anyone who wants to go on a trip will 100% make sure the vessel is certified now.
ship of fools......brilliant.....this term should be used more often
Sounds like a killer band name...
If you listen to fools... The mob rules!!!🎸🎶
@@AvidiaNirvana It's a phrase from Plato's Republic (translated of course).
@@picassoboy52 It's a story from Plato's Republic - very aptly about a ship with a dysfunctional crew. It represents the struggle of good governance to prevail, in a political system not based on expert knowledge.
Written in 375 BC - and here we still are. Rather depressingly, we appear to have learned nothing in the intervening years...
Engineering rules are written in blood, if you don't follow the rules, blood will shed
When a certain US political party and its supporters decry "regulation," this is EXACTLY the type of outcome they are advocating for. I'm a clinician, not an engineer, but it's frightening to think about how easily this irresponsible, cavalier attitude could kill people in my field and many others.
@@isocarboxazidyeah, I _love_ being “protected” by liberal regulations. Lol. It takes multiple years to get a permit to build a house in Vancouver in the middle of a housing crisis where little shithole townhouses cost a million dollars. Meanwhile they pretend to support working class people even though they’re pricing them out of ever owning a home.
yes. BUT other lost lives mostly because of ignorance. This one is because of arrogance.
@@isocarboxazidit's maddening. Either their base forgets about how bad things were before the regulations or they prey on people who never experienced how bad it was claiming things were better before regulation. Next thing you know chemicals cause an entire town to have cancer, 14 year olds die in meat packing plants, measles makes a surprise cameo. Take your pick of consequences.
The 19-year-old was the most vulnerable. He completely trusted the mature adults with his life.
naw he wanted to be the first person to solve a rubics cube in deep water, that's why he wanted to go
Kinda like injecting something in your body because a billionaire told you to eh?
This is a downside of trusting individuals, worst part is that his parents were willing to take such a risk.
Here's to hoping he had at least opportunity to squeeze a girl's breast and have a kiss before he had gone....
@@righteousisthelord180I mean yes you right but he was also a rich kid and they think different. I just think about the useful things he could have done with his 250k.
Even though the Titan sunk from ignored warnings and numerous flaws by the material that it was built with, this is a sign to leave the Titanic gravesite alone and let everyone rest that died with the Titanic.
Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Rush job." Though MacArthur never said "You are remembered for the rules you break," Rush certainly will be.
New Oceangate slogan: "When you Rush, that's when accidents happen."
Oh , burn ...
Shakespeare couldn’t have named the main character better than “ Stockton Rush.” Rush, rushed right into this disaster.
And why would Gen. MacArthur say that? In what context?!
That's very fitting
Rush treated the whole descent like a Disneyland arcade ride. Unbelievable.
Indeed... he was way too arrogant or naive!! The ocean depths are as hostile to us as space is. Such irresponsibility
Narcissistic, he was delusional.
He had too much belief in human ingenuity and technology. Unlike he said in that interview, nothing down there should fail.
If your lights go, the trip is useless. If the thrusters go, you might not go up, which slowed their ascent after the RTM system went off.
The fact he didn’t have a hatch so that they couldn’t get out if they turned up to the surface? I would never enter this death trap after learning it didn’t have a HATCH.
@@Lucaz99This is why proper subs always have back up systems. Before every dive, subs are checked thoroughly, including the systems. But Titan was essentially just a toy.
Well, he’ll definitely be remembered for the rules he broke but not in a good way
Curl goddes jesus
His nickname on the internet is already "Captain Crunch"
It was a Rush job.
@@GeoStreber "Regulation stifles innovation" - 2019; "Crackling sound at aft" - 2023. Both quotes 100% accurate Stockton Rush quotes.
@@GeoStreber or Captain CRush
He certainly will be remembered for the rules he broke. Probably not what he had in mind, but he got his wish.
yeah and getting himself and four other people killed by breaking the rules plains and simple🤣🤣🤣
Stockton rush was the first to do something. He was the first person to make a submersible that imploded during a dive
Bravo indeed
Man think about it. History repeats itself. The CEO had it in his head that his Sub was invincible in the same way many thought the Titanic was unsinkable. It's crazy how parrallel both of these incidents are, as they ironically lost their lives in the exact same location on top of that all. Wow
Except it was the press that said titanic was unsinkable, not its maker. Big difference.
@@Sashazur Good point, but still either way they were still both thought to be unsinkable/invincible by those who deemed it to be and it's crazy how the human mind will continue to make the same mistakes like this over the years.
it's always money over safety & people , same on the titanic , same on the titan , same sad result
you are right , it was the press , however ask yourself this , how safe is it to have an ocean liner with not enough life boat capacity for the amount of passengers & crew on board?
Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
It's so obvious why Stockton did this. All of the other 10 subs that are able to make this dive, can only hold 1-3 passengers max, and the cost to build one of those subs, while meeting regulatory standards, would outweigh the potential upside of selling tours. Stockton built a sub that holds 5-9 people, extremely cheaply, with parts orphaned from all over the place & carbon fiber that was past its shelf life for Boeing that he got a discount on. This sub was going to be extremely profitable if it worked. It just didn't work. There's no other explanation. If you built the sub correctly, as per the guidelines, you would never be able to get 4+ people in it, cashing in at a $1 million per expedition.
Stockton invested in the sub, cut corners and constantly tried to keep this thing profitable. It was a bad business model, and he avoided government oversight by calling everyone onboard an explorer instead of a tourist. If he would have called it a Titanic Tour, he probably would have been violating some sort of existing law that prohibits businesses from doing exactly what he did.
All of this stuff about collecting sonar data to help understand the decay rate of Titanic is rubbish. That is yet again an excuse to call it a scientific expedition. Furthermore, he would advertise this in such a way where people going on the tours were effectively listed as employee's of Oceangate during the expedition, as they were told to participate in the scientific activities. He was operating in some sort of legal grey-area with all of this, and I'm surprised he didn't get shut down. On paper this was a scientific expedition, and people were paying to participate in the scientific expedition. In reality he was just selling tours to the Titanic in an extremely dangerous fashion.
It’s because he died that people think that’s fair punishment. I disagree. He ended the lives of four people in the pursuit of profit. He is a crook.
Who cares WHY he did it. If we want to prevent further disasters like this with highly risky tourism, some regulations are in order re. equipment, training, and informed consent. That's going to be particularly important as we get further into space tourism.
But, as always, caveat emptor. If someone is willing to risk their life - and the care of their loved ones - for a thrill, that's on them.
Seems too obvious but, He could have made it an elipsoide...much stronger than a tube but with the same room
Well said! Best comment I’ve seen on this topic.
Couldn’t agree more. “Citizen scientists” 🙄
I’m very interested to know what the crew on Polar Prince at the surface was doing for the nearly 12 HOURS it took them to report the sub missing to the coast guard. Very suspicious.
The more I see of Stockton the more I think that he was living on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger curve. Those people are intolerable in engineering situations and downright dangerous is life-critical situations. Managers love them because they always act like they know what they are doing. Those same managers ignore experienced engineers who tell them that the project will fail. All you can do is sit back and wait for them to fail and try to avoid having them throw you under the bus for their failure.
Wouldn't be surprised to learn that Stockton preferentially hired people living on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger curve.
Worth mentioning here that the guy *did* have an engineering degree... in aerospace. wanted to add this just because I think a lot of other people reading these comments might instinctively think that that being educated and being a Dunning-Kruger gold medalist are mutually exclusive. Not at all. People who are very educated in one field can start posturing as experts in every field, and the result is always both loud and jaw-droppingly stupid (i.e. Dr. Oz and Jordan Peterson). Stockton Rush probably could have made a real legacy for himself if he hadn't decided he was smarter and more special than every other engineer who had reached a consensus.
@@VS-kf5qw I worked with people who (claimed to) had PhDs. And a few of those were Dunning-Kruger subjects. So yes, education has no bearing of where you are on that curve.
@@VS-kf5qwvery true, James Tour is a good example of this.
@@VS-kf5qwinteresting.
There is a lot less pressure in space than deep under the sea.
There is another sub that's not certified, owned and operated by Karl Stanley who has made more than 2,000 successful dives. He was a passenger on Stockton's second trip to the Titanic. Stanley said he heard crackling sounds going down and returning until they reached 300 feet. He told Rush in an email that he thought the carbon fiber was failing at different places on the hull. This incident will probably kill his business.
I'll disagree on the sub business and it's because people are stupid. Hear me out. The fact that this was carbon fiber is becoming a bigger issue than the fact it was a sub going so deep. I predict this will set back CARBON FIBER for years to come. People are going to hear "this plane has carbon fiber wings" or "this car has carbon fiber suspension arms" and they're going to look sideways at it for a generation.
@@piquat1 nah, carbon fiber has proven itself in aerospace construction. It was never used in deep sea exploration and probably won't in the near future. No one is gonna hate carbon fiber just because an arrogant fool used it incorrectly...
@@piquat1 That's exactly what I'm thinking, I don't want to buy, use, or get transported by carbon fiber NOTHING after this!
@@Robert-55thankyou! Carbon fiber as a material in all use cases is not to blame here. Any material will fail if it’s weaknesses aren’t considered, and even then if the shape is designed incorrectly. Even if carbon fiber was the best material for this application, Rush’s batch was not if the best condition- past its shelf life such that Boeing wouldn’t make planes out of it!
@@Robert-55 Ya, none of what you wrote matters. People are stupid, they aren't going to think about any of that. A carbon fiber sub has imploded and killed 5 people. Carbon fiber is now garbage in the minds of common idiots.
i m shocked that only one engineer came forth while the entire company covered up the danger of this craft. So much of this seems criminal
The next implosion will be OceanGate itself, there are indications they're preparing a legal defense and have closed ranks, their website is still inaccessible since the announcement of the implosion.
A lot of very tough questions will be asked of anyone and everyone involved with this disaster and so far not a single word from anyone at that company. Not even a statement of condolence for the loss of their passengers/customers.
I'm just wondering how many paper shredders and disk erasers they have going now.
There were a couple I think. But Rush hired young inexperienced people and said it was because 50 year old white men weren't "inspiring". What he likely meant was those sorts of people had skills and experience and refused to cut corners.
Apparently at least one other employee had concerns and after trying to voice them ended up leaving the company. Their position was apparently as an operations technician and one thing they mentioned was that the carbon fiber hull was supposed to be 7 inches thick but was only 5. They also mentioned that other employees and contractors supposedly raised concerns/doubts but were ignored. How truthful any of that is I can't say but I'd honestly be surprised if as investigations continue and information becomes public it's not confirmed.
@@lesigh1749 And the young inexperienced people wouldn't dare question Stockton Rush, Rush even said it himself, that he cut so many corner, Stockton Rush was a careless idiotic person.
Oceangate sued the guy who spoke up, threat of a lawsuit will silence most people. Even an unsuccessful lawsuit will financially destroy most people.
A former employee didn’t sue the company. The COMPANY sued a former employee. An employee that was fired for speaking out.
The employee counter sued though so…… what’s your point
@@SleutherStrode His point was pointing out facts? Speed up.
@@RuyGuyso, you dis someone for pointing out more facts? Drop the arrogant attitude.
@@jayhuff239 Your reading comprehension sucks, I wasn't dissing him, I was dissing you for asking such a stupid question: "what's your point?"" Why ask an obvious question?
@@jayhuff239 No Jay, his attitude was entirely appropriate given the attitude of the comment it proceeded. Try to keep up, if you can.
Stockton Rush was no engineer. The first thing we learn as engineering students is safety. I worked for a large well known corporation who shipped products I hand been on the design teams that we all knew did not meet published specifications. And bad things happened. Pure greed and just worried about the stock price. This type of behavior is criminal.
The Rolls-Royce engineering principle: Don't use two bolts, when four bolts will do. :)
@@charlieross-BRM Come on, are you here for a car or a maths lesson?
I think I read that the success rate for every component used in the Apollo programme had to meet a 99.9999999% target. I can't even begin to think how low Rush's target figure was (Is "That'll do" a % score?) Also I read that most submersibles and all deep sea subs had two sets of controls hard wired to different power sources to make it fail safe. Rush used a Play station game controller. He must be a brilliant salesman though. Both Harding and PH had been on genuine certified deep sea subs. What on earth made them go on Rush's death trap ?
That and Shahzada Dawood was no billionaire.
Rush knew the dangers and he was willing to put his life on the line, but he had no right to put others in danger.
That’s what makes him so despicable.
Ph nargolet knew too and I’m sure hamish did as well but the two Pakistanis not so much.
@@kevingalgayNGL, that is low-key racist. Just because they aren't white/western doesn't make them fools.
A rudimentary search reveals carbon fibre doesnt yield - just fails catastrophically. Besides that nother google search would reveal the historical evidence of concerns with safety. If these ppl ( including "mission specialists/passengers" were so cavalier with their own lives imagine how they possibly felt about those they had influence over.
He didn’t, they signed up for it
Cameron didn't dive 30 times to the titanic on a self designed sub. His 33 dives to the Titanic were on a russian sub, Mir, operated by the Russian Academy of Sciences. He did dive on a self designed sub to Challenger Deep in the Mariana Trench
They have a few errors in this episode. They seem to want the dirt on SR's frame of mind, rather than the facts to a certain extent.. but these professionalswill hardly badmouth another engineer. It's not cricket, or ethical. Leave that to youter's..
no body asked, so sick of seeing this garbage being sensationalized its so boring,
@@DerpDerpDerpDerpDerpDerpDerpyes and with that sub is the first man to go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. It’s wild.
That's even more impressive, this man James Cameron out here doing side quests.
@@adamdurham16 James Cameron is a Canadian hero! Unfortunately, a lot of people think he's an American! Check out all the other great movies he made besides the Titanic!!!
Spare joysticks, no beacon. This guy was very, very impressed with himself.
True. Smh 🤦🏻♀️
And no hatch. That was the most insane thing to me, being bolted in from the OUTSIDE so that even if they had been able to surface, they would have to hope and pray the rescuers could find them before they smothered to death. That was insanity and terrible planning IMO. It wasn't a safety argument. It was a physics argument.
What a Mickey mouse operation that thing looks like a toy that you bought at Toys r Us
@@dannybam1 Reminded me of my daughter's electric Barbie car. LOL So true.
It's highly ironic that Oceangate implied it would bury the expert (Lochridge, who warned about the flaws in the submersible) in legal fees. Yet ultimately it was Stockton Rush who was "buried".
Yep, the real tragedy is he took 4 others with him, I wish it was Rush alone.
@@TravisHi_YT Agreed.
I do believe that Stockton Rush is in a very good position to be awarded the 2023 Darwin award.
Awarded ? It'll be criminal if they didn't name it after him at this point.
Not possible because he had two kids
I feel for everyone involved, especially the families, this is not the way an individual trys to get into the history books. No one is going to let this go for a very long time. Scientifically, politically and morally. With documentaries and legal issues for years to come.
he already had kids but he's an honorable mention
@@MrTokiRokikids without fathers are very hard to succeed
Stockton Rush makes me feel somewhat better about my own stupidity. at least my own stupidity never killed anyone.
You've gotta take what you can from these tragedies.
@ko7577learn what a joke is
@ko7577 How does that justify his blatent diregard for safety and killing himself and 4 others? His unprecedented implosion is what he will be remembered for.
@@irene_f.Hey.. don't ask them questions when they have their mouth full of Stockton's flaccid fick
@ko7577He was an idiot. You are one too. Go fingerpaint or buy a coloring book. You are far too stupid to converse with critical thinking human beings.
Your so smart.Way smarter than Rush...Come on and tell us how bright you are Brightboy...
Stockton Rush is a strong candidate for this year's Darwin Award gold medal. The only one I feel sorry for is the 19 year old. The 4 old men should have known better.
Well said.
I bet the 77yr old was content with his quick death.
Well, the old guys procreated already, so the "Darwin" effect of the award wasn't really there anymore - except one of them managed to literally drag his son down with him.
I don't think you know what the Darwin award is. It means dying without having offspring. So the only one that got the Darwin award was the 19 year old.
Ikarus
“You’re remembered for the rules you break”.
Uncomfortably true for you, Rush.
He called it the Titan after the Titanic. It was a self fulfilling prophecy.
No it was a poorly designed piece of technology that failed.
And the name Oceangate reminds one of Watergate.
Even if you are not an engineer, going down to those depths in an uncertified container that could only be opened from the outside, operated by a game’s console, along with dodgy waiver would raise massive red flags
100% don't have to be a rocket scientist this was a death trap.
Billionaires don't think, they "like" a person and invest. Well, next time they should think and not just "like".
He was way too ignorant, Stockton. Ego blurred common sense.
Well, two things are slightly off. From an engineering point choosing a game controller makes sense. It's durable, simple and proven. They just work. I personally would have chosen the wired variant but that's just because I'm not sure about bluetooth in this environment.
Second, choosing a hatch that can only be open from outside makes sense in this design too. This allows for more stability against pressure (as no mechanism is in place, except the bolts building up the force to close it)
Nontheless this was dogy as hell, two materials with way different behavior against pressure, choosing carbon with it's bad stats regarding withstanding pressure (especially dynamically changing pressure) ignoring the standard certificate regulations and going with a bulleye that was rated only for a partial depth.
There are problematic things, but people keep bringing up wrong arguments.
The game controller wasn’t the problem. Using a game controller for operate a vehicle is actually very smart and just simplifies the operation of the that vehicle or machine. I’ve said myself it would make a lot of
Sense to incorporate a gaming controller into a helicopter considering how much easier it would make it to fly. However I would still have manual controls ready to use at a moments notice as well. So the controller aspect wasn’t the issue at all. It was the carbon fiber hull that weakened as a result of expansion and contraction with each decent the pressure squeezed those carbon fibers and when it came back to the surface the carbon fibers expanded subsequently weaning the molecular bond of them. It’s no different than bending a metal bar back and forth till it eventually snaps. That was the biggest flaw of the titan among others
To say that the certification standards are "too conservative" is what immediately screams "this should never take passengers". If he wanted to risk his own life that's one thing, but the reason the standards are conservative is because it you're going to carry passengers it should be very robustly designed - not "experimental".
i really find it hard to understand why someone would be willing to pay $250,000 for a possible glimpse of the titanic through a tiny window.
If you have enough money that dropping a quarter mil for you is like buying a nice writing pen for most people, the "experience" is primary and the cost is insignificant.
Unlike climbing Everest which takes real physical effort and everyone knows you can easily die, you just sit in this tube and look at the Titanic. No effort required and perhaps even more exclusive than the Everest crowd.
It wasn't a tiny window but a window much larger then other submersibles.
The same reason people pay to look at animals behind glass at a zoo
“I want to be remembered as an innovator”, “They want to stop innovation” etc, says the guy who created a submersible worse than the ones in 1930
Willing to guess most people didn't even know Titan existed until the accident.
I’m so glad to know that people LIKE math!!!! It gives my head a chance…..
SQUIRREL 🐿 LOL 😆
If I didn't know any better, I could be forgiven for thinking this was just a glorified advert lol.
Willing to guess most don’t have $250k/person to spend on a one day deep ocean dive
I am one of those who did not know of OceanGate until this dive. Even if I had the money to afford passage, I would never jeopardize my life in this way.
I had no idea anything like that existed. Still cant believe it actually did.
Stockton Rush was like that one kid in class who was smart but still managed to constantly do stupidly senseless things
He's like the kid who argues with facts taught by teachers because he knows better! Too smart by half.
Academically smart with a lack of cumin sense and humility
A ovi ostali koji su ga sledili u smrt i jos platili!? To su oni u razredu,sto su uvek voleli da budu u drustvu pametnog decaka,jer ce zbog njegq i oni biti primeceni,pa nema veze sto su glupi...😢
He was not smart at all. He was a charlatan.
So like the Elon Musk of engineering, huh?
Rush is absolutely going to be remembered for the rules he broke. He didn't fail in that regard.
He'll be remembered for modernizing the adage: "We are defined by our patience when we have nothing, and our attitude when we have everything"
This should be a cautionary tale as to the power of a good salesperson. If you read the texts he was sending to people selling 'the last few spots' at a discount, they were classic sales persistence. He honestly believed in the product, so much that he would put his own life on the line. That gave people confidence in the product, which is another issue often caused by a cult of personality. People generally have okay BS detectors ... but good acting and 'all in' belief often get through that. He had both. He was personable, prepared, persistent and reckless. Fearlessness makes good test pilots, CEOs and innovators. Unfortunately it is not a great thing for an engineer to be.
Ironically, he became a sort of test pilot himself, did he not?
@@Solitarynana7870 Exactly. Test pilots push the limits. Engineers are the 'checks and balance' against that. This guy was playing both roles. Not a good combo and there was no balance. You always need a Jeff Goldbloom in Jurassic Park. 'Just because we could, doesn't mean that we should.' Rush was reckless and had zero empathy for anything other than his own legacy. He made his bet using the lives of others.
What a balanced and informative discussion. Many thanks to the presenter and experts for their contributions.
It was excellent. Agreed. Thank you Nexus!
What cracks me up the most about the whole thing was their system to "alert" them that the hull was compromised. Like, what? If alarms are going off for compromised hull, ANYWHERE below like 50 foot, you're done. There's no point in having it just to know you're going to die in 5 seconds.
The RTM system sent the alert 19 minutes before the sub imploded. That's 19 minutes of pure dread and horror. Maybe it would have been better to not even have any heads up at that point.
I agree it's best not to even have them it serves no purpose
@@AngelofHogwartswhat are you even talking about no alert ever went off there was no 19 minutes of horror they were in la la land thinking everything was fine and in a few seconds they were dead
Everybody warned him. In fact I showed a picture of the sub to my dog and he gave his warning bark.
Omg these comments are hysterical- the warning bark- love it 😅
@@marybethkellner5035 .. its that kind of high pitched bark... unmistakable.
@@craig7350 dogs ALWAYS know best!
This is so simple: the hull was made out of carbon fiber, and the end-caps were glued on. This thing was practically BUILT TO FAIL. It is shocking to me that it survived even one deep dive.
I wouldn't say built to fail, but using composites you do have a "life limited" scenario. Meaning you can only use it for a certain amount of time and then you discard and build a new one. You might be able reuse some parts, but the composites are usually done for.
@@biscuitninja regardless, there were many corners cut and Stockton Rush relied too heavily on the carbon fiber.
@@gabrielsaavedra7916
He didn’t even have it woven around the cylinder which would have been much stronger. Instead, it was coiled around the cylinder, perpendicular to the cylinder surface.
@@biscuitninjathat’s fairly obvious not being rude, but the person here was talking about how the composite section was basically “glued” to the titanium ends (and I’m not even mentioning the vast difference in compressive strength between them) making the entire 2 parts of the sub that are joining the 3 pieces into massive failure points. I don’t care how strong this glue is, it is not surviving 15+ or however many trips to the titanic depth
@biscuitninja
This is not the sort of thing you build a disposable version of lol. If it was unmanned and it was just a test vehicle to see what a submersible of this sort could endure, or if it was strictly being used for video footage or something along those lines, then by all means build it and see what it’s got. But to take people on something like this where failure is a given, is insane.
People werent warning him because they didn't want him to succeed. They warned him because they knew this exactly is what would happen. Such an avoidable thing. Its sad and shtty.
exactly...they experts didn't warn aggressively enough and therefore should be held accountable as well
@@wernerostwald287 He fired them!!
@@CourtneyLee62 ...then sued them! You can warn as "aggressively" as you like, @wernerostwald287, but if a CEO of a _private company_ is determined to continue, you cannot _force_ them to change their mind - a public authority is different.
@@221b-Maker-Street Rush was a millionaire that could've just held out in court and stretched the case out long enough till the engineer goes broke from all the legal fees and will eventually have to drop the case. The engineer most likely would've been under NDA so OceanGate could've theoretically sued him for every penny if he tried to speak out at all. Warning aggressively was probably the most he could've done at this point.
@@wernerostwald287They were fired from the job. You cannot sue the engineers who were fired.
OceanGate should definitely make a $1,250,000 donation to the Titanic Historical Society!
He did NOT want to spend that amount of money on certifying the Titan because he knew it would FAIL! The PR hit from that would prevent a craft he thought was "good enough" to gain customers.
Or he didnt have the money to spend that much or he just wanyed to get as much money out of it so he wanted to make the sub as cheap as possible. Its a Amercan bussiness so.... it wouldnt be the first time
Bart Kemper, you are a credit to mankind and an example for all professional engineers
and a patriotic soldier he's a former lieutenant Colonel of the US Army, he's the real deal.
Stockton Rush is also an example for all professional engineers
@@1mlister 🤡
@@1mlister of a sort, yes.
@@1mlister Yes, a bad example.
He reminds me of my grandma. Ignorant, only believes what she wants, treats her opinions as if they are facts, only asks for opinions in hopes of hearing what she wants and will disregard anything else.
Thanks for the blog post
You remind me of your grandma. You're the exact same and you don't even realize it.
I am so happy you are not afraid of criticizing a close relative! My father was exactly the same as your granny!😊
I work with someone like this. It’s extremely annoying.
One point I'd like to make: It's important to know that the carbon fiber hull in the version of Titan that imploded is NOT the same hull that was in Titan in 2018. Rush had a new hull made in 2020 and that is what was used in Titan for all of the dives to the Titanic.
Anyone with a 3d printer will understand why you wouldn't lay the layers parallel to each other. If it was cross hatched it would have been far stronger. The separation happened where the titanium hull met the carbon fiber hull. Pressure effects materials of different density to the point of work hardening after few cycles. The bond in the layers would separate due to the stress eventually.
it’s hard to pick a reason. So many problems. The latest is that they also descended too fast (more than 25m/minute), causing unnecessary stress to the hull. This is yet to be formally confirmed. But would fit perfectly with everything else.
I have my doubts any current iteration of epoxy resin and carbon fiber would be suitable for more than a single dive and even then... a bit risky. There's a reason you use materials with predictable crystalline morphologies with tried and true means of post stress evaluation. Metals offer this... composites just do not.
Hmm. I think I might have figured out how it failed. As the carbon fiber was wound uniformly, this makes it easy to slice. The titanium caps slide under the carbon fiber, which forms a cutting blade. The repeated compression cycles slowly cut through. There would also be a lifting force on the glue, which helps to explain why it was gone (clean metal).
A better design would have been 3 titanium spheres all joined together. A hatch at one end, and a round joining tunnel to crawl through. This would be both light and strong.
@@WhyWouldYouDrawThat " As the carbon fiber was wound uniformly,"
You mean, this YT video shows a few seconds of CF being wound in one direction only. That does not mean that every layer of the 5" of CF were all wound that way, does it? Other video of its construction show CF being wound on different angles.
@@alexanderSydneyOz Interesting. I was basing that idea more on a quote. But regardless, the titanium caps remain cutting blades at those pressures.
15:29 Exactly, as an engineer, I verify, test, validate disk drives, it is the same thing. We need processes in place, test criterias, scenarios, test cases, going through extensive checks, materials used, software, firmware, hardware..all have to be. tested.And when an engineer raises concerns, do not ignore. We are paid to do a job of protecting, safety, balance of systems.
Disk drives? Haven't used one of those in the field in decades. At home... every day though ;)
I feel sorry for the people who are in this business and do the right things but now their business will probably suffer because of this man’s ego.
None of them are in the tourism business so they will be just fine.
Nah overall this will benefit the wider community. They already know how to build safe vessels that go to the deepest points on earth. Titanium sphere, that's it. But this has emphasized and put into harsh perspective the reason we go through certain processes to ensure our engineering is safe. Those boring lectures will hit home a little harder for a while.
Moving forward this is probably a win for safety and testing, and will reduce the potential for more rogue engineers like Rush from doing things like this or even being able to.
We've got very complacent with how good we have for at building amazing things, hopefully this is a reminder that changes people's cynicism towards the increased cost of good engineering practice.
As a person who worked in plant were composite flanges are built from 1" - 100+ " for piping systems in factories all over the United States and the best in the US. I can say the method they used to connect the carbon fiber to the metal was without a dout the failure point. It squeezed the carbon fiber cylinder causing a leak and from the pressure and rush of water in compressing the air inside until it blew the end caps off. And it all happen in a split second.
I used to work for CPF Dualam from 1990 to 2013. The company was a huge tank and piping fabricator. And I thought the same thing the moment I knew it has implosed. Delamination.
Come on man..they GLUED the titanium ends to the carbon fiber hull….
He probably used super glue bought from the reject shop to save on expenditure.
in a warehouse rather than in a vac chamber
It was just an eye test as well nothing scientific about it at all. “Yup she looks good, wait, add bit more glue here”
@@toomanyaccountsYeah, two dudes with spatulas and out in the open. Zero process or environmental controls. Idiots.
Maybe its just me.... But the more I learn about this man who clearly had more money than sense , and his egregious flouting of safety precautions, the more fantastical this entire story gets, making it increasingly difficult to believe its authenticity. I simply cannot accept that one person, much less an entire company, who's entire selling point was based on one product, could continue to make catastrophic decision, after even more catastrophic decisions, and with absolutely no opposition or push back over and above a face to face meeting over 5 years ago that ended in nothing more than a new waiver being drafted.
It's utterly unfathomable to me that it appeared the mere fact of being wealthy meant Rush could be left alone to play Russian roulette with the lives of complete strangers with ZERO SAFETY MEASURES in place. And if that weren't enough, the fact that he deliberately registered his company in the Bahamas so as to avoid the strict regulations he'd be subject to by registering it as a US based company, tells us in no uncertain terms just how cognisant he was to avoid regulations that he felt were only there to hinder him, when in fact they only exist to mitigate the possible risk to life such endeavours as this clearly pose smdh, and that alone is indicative of a far broader issue around the mind set of just one man that it appears the combined voices of an entire submersible industry, were utterly incapable of stopping.
In every industry you have a cowboy that wants to push the boundaries. This was such a tragedy that could have been avoided, only if he had done things properly. RIP all lives lost😢
"Properly" lol
The word only really applies when not innovating.
This is plain and simple *greed* . Pushing the boundaries is one thing, as is innovation, and another completely different is having a complete disregard of human lives and only care for money... as I read in another comment from another video, this man should not have been allowed to be in charge of nothing more than a golf car. The worst thing is that most so called CEOs are exactly like that. We´re in the hands of monsters.
Hope Stockton doesn't get RIP
How quickly the weak attack weakness.
@@pimplequeen2Not really. You can still innovate 'properly'...but you have to accept that some of your innovations will be destroyed through testing. The ones that survive become innovations, and the rest are useful failures.
Stockton was a failed astronaut who cut many, many corners in his rush to resurrect his dream. His hubris prevented him from understanding the four elements. Just deplorable
Which four elements?
@@humanbeing2420 Science, intelligence, humility, and caution.
I hope he didn't join the ride so that he can suffer the guilt and horrible consequence of his arrogance and idiocy for the rest of his life.
He didn’t have to understand anything. That’s what (safety) rules are for: they work even if you don’t understand them.
@@AbrahamsAnt He wanted to be a maverick, a rule breaker, a pioneer. He saw himself as the next Elon Musk of the high seas, but obviously with disastrous results!
No seats alone and sitting on the floor should have been the number 1 red flag!
Having worked in composites my whole life i can tell you exactly what happened. The expoxy was pushed past its breaking point. Ultimately you could have used burlap it wouldnt have changed the outcome . It was the wrong application
Please elaborate, I am interested about that.
@@AnotherPointOfView944 Pressure cycles cause cracks to the hull from small imperfections in the hull. This leads to delamination and possibly buckling. It's well understood that composite materials are strong, but in tension, not in compression. Now epoxy took all the compression, and when it failed, whole thing imploded. We'll have to wait for investigation to know what really happened, but anyone who's worked with composite materials sees glaring problems in the design of this craft.
@@jarivuorinen3878agree epoxy is the first to fail when used on pistons and compressed through cylinders. It starts out strong and reliable but after a certain amount of use it is the first to fail.
@@Steelriter There's a reason why aircraft have airframe lifetime measured in pressure cycles, even if it's tension that's stressing the airframe and not compression. Although aircraft have another reason for this than delamination risk of composites, it's the cycles that harden duralumin parts that experience pressure cycles. It also suffers from corrosion. Duralumin however can be heat treated to renew its properties, composites can't be fixed in any reliable manner.
Arrogance sank both the Titan and the Titanic. What a deadly force
Titanic was sunk by systemic errors that caused a catastrophe in somewhat unusual circumstances. Titan was sunk in normal circumstances because it ignored the well established system practices.
It was complacency, which is arrogance. Ego was a driving force in both cases.
Every major religious or spiritual tradition in history regards arrogance as absolute poison to spiritual development, toxic and highly corrosive to the soul.
In christianity, it is the original sin itself, which made god cast satan from heaven into hell, thus creating all suffering, according to that faith.
It is the cause of murder, betrayal, abuse, atrocity, and evil, across this old earth, and it has always caused those things.
So, I guess you are right. A deadly force.@@VersusARCH
Titanic's builders weren't arrogant. A great deal of planning went into building one of the safest ships of the time. The 2 major factors which caused or exacerbated the disaster were 1) reducing the number of lifeboats from the original design by half: fault the owners, and 2) steaming through a known ice field area at 20+ knots in pitch darkness. Fault, Captain Smith.
It is written" Pride before destruction"
OceanGate's former chief director of marine operations, David Lockridge should have been the center of this story. He warned OceanGate about the submarine and was promptly fired and given 10mins to clear out his desk.
. . . and then he was harassed and clubbed by the company's attorneys with the American legal system for trying to do the right thing. And then there are the ambulance chasers on the other side, who basically commit legalized fraud and theft everyday, driving up costs and reducing opportunities for everyone. I swear I think half the lawyers in the U.S. have sold their souls to the devil.
It's a submersible not a submarine.
He might be lawyering up and also in shock honestly!
Any Materials Engineer will tell you there's a reason Carbon Fibre isn't used for Pressure Vessels, and it's because CF behaves very differently under high compression. It delaminates under repeated compressions. This isn't a new phenomenon with CF, it's a fairly well known one.
This was sheer Hubris on Rush's part.
Stockton Rush will be remembered for the rules he broke. "Your remembered for the rules you break" truer words never spoken.
He was quoting a guy that was not talking about beaking scientific rules and in case of breaking safety rules this general was talking about risking other peoples live not his own...
@@Bialy_1 Very true. In the Korean was General MacArthur should have stopped way before the border with China. That way China may never have entered the war and Korea would maybe have been a whole country by now. We never know because of his stupid hubris. Now the people in North Korea is starving because of his actions.
Somebody else already posted this 😂 You just added a sentence in.
You broke grammar rules.
4:18
Thanks for everything Stockton cRush. You provided a never ending amount of RUclips content and made a lot of creators money through views. You crushed it buddy!
He crushed.... or was crushed ...
The ocean crushed it...he was just the conduit
yep. I will for sure make more videos on this - if you do daily videos, you need what to talk about. And this case has so many learning opportunities within it, that no matter what kind of channel you have, you can spin a lesson out of this one.
Stockton Rush the -III- Turd.
@@waaaaantubethanks Mr obvious
At OceanGate, you don't just get to see the wreckage, you get to be the wreckage!
Clever, hehe...
Feel the lore, become the lore.
Too soon
Lol you are funny
@@Salty_Ballsa truly immersive experience
The more I see about this guy the more I think he deserved his fate. It's just a shame he had to take four other people's lives over hubris. He was right about one thing though. He'll definitely be remembered for the "rules he broke" seeing as there's never been a catastrophic implosion before he did it first like the true maverick he was.
shame they didn't have a couple spare hulls on board just in case like the controller's🤣🤣🤣
cause if your hull fails your dead a controller dies change the batteries or just drop the weights and go back to the surface🤣🤣🤣
Having had a few carbon fiber bikes and seeing how brittle they can be, I can't imagine using them to those depths and pressures.
Interesting, because last week I was reading all kinds of comments from people that use cream of the crop bicycles and just about everyone of them that had purchased carbon fiber bicycles wrote that they sucked for a number of reasons. As someone who knows zip about bicycles that was surprising - except that it's another example of the power of marketing BS.
Carbon fiber bikes are great because they are light weight. They break though. I had a Specialized bike and stood on top of both pedal the forks SHATTERED
Ironically they only changed the things that were legal liabilities; no care/concerns about safety.
I really think,had the 4 passengers known all the factors built into Titan that Rush did to compromise it’s integrity & safety totally to save MONEY,they would never have gone down in it.
Rush HAD to know implosion was an inevitable event-he even had the advice from some of the best experts there are that this would fail.
His hull became a wet toilet roll core at repeated depth.
Had it been wound in a criss-cross pattern,MAYBE it could’ve had more strength?
His “innovation” is a set-back for those following his idea’s.
Accidents are tragic but this was criminal indifference to the safety of others…imo
"Hey yeah, I got a good deal on that out of date carbon fiber from Boeing. I'm sure it will be fine."
@@misterguts Just a single factor amongst the MANY
The carbon fibre was laid down wet and simply wound round a core.
I worked for a company building carbon fibre parts for Red Bull racing F1 team, not in a technical function I want to add.
But I accompanied our engineers to one of the biggest autoclave ovens in the world, where the methods were explained to me by some of the world's leading engineers in this field.
The method Rush chose for his design has majors flaws, even when building parts "only" for race cars, let alone something to withstand the pressure at 4000m depth.
Perhaps one day, a design, baked in an autoclave with a different method of laying down carbon fibre will be built.
But honestly, I think this method and material are dead for a long time, no pun intended.
@@marcusott2973 Let's hope, if this material is ever again resurrected for pressure hulls, that it is tested in ROVs with engineering teardowns, and not with paying passengers.
@@marcusott2973as bad as it was that it wasn’t finished in an autoclave, what really terrified me was the fact that it didn’t look like there were any dust/debris controls when they were laying down the fiber. Would not be surprised to find (if such a thing could ever be determined) if the hull failure started at a void created by imperfections and inclusions from the construction process.
If you don’t mind being freaked out by stupidity - go search for the video of the hull being constructed. It was so bad that I first thought it wasn’t a legitimate video, that’s how clownish the operation looks.
8:36, it is factually incorrect that Carbon fiber has never been used before. It was used in a sub going to the mariana trench, but it was a one time use submersible exactly for the reason of structural fatigue. It worked once and was retired. But it did happen non the less.
That vessel looked like it was made from scrap metal and put together by blind people!!! The titanium end caps were GLUED to the unsuitable carbon fibre hull....GLUED 😭😮
Drilling holes to add bolts through carbon fiber wouldn't have worked.
Hey, what’s the worst that could happen?????????
He knew full well it was dangerous and that he was risking people's lives. As far as I'm concerned, it's not so much an accident as a murder-suicide.
He said ‘ You don’t do the greatest thing in your life by yourselves…
Hindsight is 20/20. I'm betting you never think to check that your brake lines aren't leaking or lug nuts are all tight every time you go out on the interstate at 75 mph. He made the same dive a couple dozen times without problems so probably felt pretty safe.
@@gorkyd7912except that it was notorious for always having problems, including losing contact for long periods of time!
@@gorkyd7912That's where you're wrong good sir. I understand the point you're making, but I, along with most people, would have my car towed to a mechanic immediately if they saw that it was leaking a suspicious looking fluid. We aren't all as careless as Stockton Rush.
@@themidnighttavern6784 The accident statistics say otherwise.
Everything else can fail???? Oh dear lord that is truly horrific.
I caught that too, chilling 😮
You might as well take the middle of a toilet paper roll and put two titanium caps at each end and call it the titan Ocean gate.
Stockton Rush: Hey, I want to innovate and make an experimental submersible to withstand the immensely dangerous pressures at the Titanic.
Engineers: OK, cool. You going with one of the proven and time tested designs?
Stockton Rush: Nah, we're gonna make it bigger, and we're going to use 2 different materials, and instead of a hatch we're just gonna remove and re-seal the endcap every dive.
Engineers: That sounds like a really bad idea! Please tell us you're at LEAST going to use the finest materials and manufacturing processes?
Stockton Rush; Nah, we're gonna use an under-spec window and bargain bin carbon fiber, and glue it together in a warehouse.
Engineers: Wait, stop, you can't...
Stockton Rush: STFU, I'm a genius, you're all cowards, I'm doing it and you're gonna be so jealous!
Engineers: * popcorn *
Exactly
Sad but true 😢
👍AGREE 💯 , WHAT PUZZLES ME IS THE MOST GOVERNMENT , OSAH , JUST TURN THIER HEADS ON ALL THIS SAFTEY ISSUES BEING IGNORED & LET THIS TRAGEDY HAPPEN THEY ALSO NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE 🤨😡 JUST BEYOND REASON 🤔🤔???
@@gilbertsoto2472government is designed so that it can really only restrict the poor. The rich always have mechanisms around the rules.
The problem for the rich is that physics doesn't care how much money you have.
A perfect summary.
The result of the expert intervention was that OceanGate beefed up its disclaimers. Instead of improving their design and saving lives, OceanGate was concerned with preventing lawsuits.
Every business is concerned with preventing lawsuits.
yes, we all watched the video.
"You’re remembered for the rules you break..." The irony is remarkable. Rush will certainly be remembered for the rules he broke, and therefore, the lives that were lost due directly to the rules he broke.
The biggest irony was when he describes building out of carbon fibre and titanium as being a no no, and having done it anyway
With an arrogant smile may I add.
It's so sad that Stockton Rush took those passengers' money to be a part of his so-called experiment, but he also took their lives! 😢
Nah, these morons took their own life. Just Darwinism at work. They all knew that it was basically a suicide mission and now they got what they have asked for.
Well, since he was onboard the sub himself when it failed, I think it's safe to say that he whole-heartedly believed it was safe. He was wrong, ofcourse, but I don't think it was in any way malicious.
@nickgrishin2068 no excuses. He didn't care ENOUGH. If he did he would've done something else besides play sub captain
@@NGabunchanumbersBc he was in DENIAL!
These where grown a** men that willingly jumped into that P.O.S yes I feel bad and they're ultimately victims however it's common sense.
The Hydraulic Press Channel built a scale model carbon fibre submersible and tested to like 2 miles or something. The implosion was impressive. And quick.
This is by far the most comprehensive explanation I've come across of how the submersible was put together compared to others and the certification process.
Agree - an excellent report.
Literally EVERYONE is saying the exact same thing on all these videos. This is common sense to anyone who paid attention in 5th grade science class (at least back in the '80s).
Back then we learned about oceanic depths and atmospheric pressures. Robert Ballard found the Titanic in 1985, so it was a hot topic in schools for years after that.
When it was learned that OG used carbon FIBER for the hull, the rest was quite obvious what happened to them. I knew the USCG was lying to people about having hope finding them alive and 96 hours of oxygen BS they supposedly had remaining. Low and behold, that Thursday the USCG had to admit that the USN picked up a sound like an implosion around the EXACT time OG lost contact with the Titan submersible. It's not rocket science folks.
Actually Stockton Rush though he COULD use "rocket science" in place of ocean and submersible science, hence the carbon fiber hull. So there's that. 🙄🤦🏾♂️
@@wadewilson8011really, the education system was far tougher in the 80s. I mean teaching children how repeated cycle compressive pressure will lead to the separation of resin layer with the fibres, leading to the delamination of carbon fibre panels.
If that's the case then he must have known about the risk of using carbon fiber for sure. There's a reason why they mounted the sensors. Maybe he thought they
would give him enough time to float the vessel back up if any of them were detecting something. Goes in line with their marketing about having "plenty of time".
Am I the only one that noticed the viewing "window" was not in place when the front was brought up?