Rush’s statement that we’re bringing ocean exploration to everyone at a mere 250,000 bucks a piece shows just how out of touch with reality he really was!!! Many people don’t make that much money in 8 to 10 years! That’s a really stupid thing to say by a very selfish individual
What? YOU DON’T HAVE $250,000 stuck in your sock drawer? Why, EVERY AMERICAN has that!!! What’s a mere $250,000? That’s chump change!!!! Especially when you’re as delusional as Stockton Rush was!!!! Obviously he thinks that price brings his adventures down to where EVERYONE CAN AFFORD TO GO!!! I’m already signed up to go in the spring of 2025!!! It’s non-refundable, but at that price, WHO CARES???
You're being disingenuous on purpose here. With context, he is correct. There are millions of people in the world who can afford $250k, and when they fuel progress in a sector, it becomes cheaper for everyone else over time. It was clearly a broad statement that most critical thinkers could understand. Sorry you couldn't.
@@JuliusCaesar888 obviously, Caesar could afford a ticket and look how he ended up. As with most wealthy people the more money they acquire the more narrow their thinking becomes. I don’t think Rush was thinking about that when he vastly cut corners and side stepped certifications in order to avoid the costs associated with building it. Because, had he done it right he and his passengers would still be alive but they probably would have had to pay several times as much for the trip. So much for critical thinking buddy
Lately some people have defended Stockton Rush and commenting that people are being to harsh on him. Unbelievable. Everyone in the industry said his vessel would implode...it imploded. I am not a person to judge another harshly but ol Stockton is a worthy exception.
@@knowsmebyname Yup- but they only let him in to be the entertainment cause his dad had been the president - there lies the motivation for this whole thing
All the professional subs do not look like a tank with a tiny window, not even close...why why why would.these people pay each that money for that? You would think they would have had the intelligence to know better....the tiny window yet...
This man Stockton Rush should not have been allowed to work on anything like that he was irresponsible didn't care about other people's safety very reckless man
And sadly the 4 other victims he took with him on his aquatic game of Russian Roulette, among them two paying customers he conned with his snake oil patter. Rush sold these Titanic trips as being no more dangerous than crossing the road. But he had to know each pressurisation of the carbon fibre coke can, weakened it. It was only a matter of when, not if, it imploded at depth.
@@FoRtNiTeSoUlSfRoMh3LL The dead are long gone and don't care what happens to the ship. The passengers and staff got turned into human paste and eaten by the creatures of the sea. They are gone. They don't exist anymore in any shape or form so you can't disturb something that doesn't even exist on atomic level.
Well...I suppose the positive thing about all this is that now, no one will ever dive in any submersible that isn't certified-let alone "experimental"- and any patents Rush had for his "innovative" carbon fibre hull are less than worthless..
Rush took risks and it backfired. I would have been scared to death descending into the depths in a carbon fibre sub...gotta be steel to withstand the ocean pressing upon you. Heart goes out to those lost, especially the teenager who really did not want to go.
RIP to those 4 victims. Had they been told the truth, I doubt they would have been inside. Now that more and more have come out, what they did to trick people to enter and dive is criminal! Surprised his overly inflated ego didn't get them back to the surface!
His blatant disregard for safety wasn’t a secret. All they had to do is do their own research. Outside of the 17 year old they all had big egos and thought because they were billionaires they were safe. The hell with them
The company was badly run and staffed by foolish people but the universitys and other bodies who should have picked up the blatant stupidity of this design deserve full investigation
Nah. Carbon fiber does not give a warning; it just shatters and due to the pressure at those levels everyone was instant compressed to an hamburger - not even time to feel, see or respond to what was happening.
@@vanderlinde4you oh no, all the popping and cracking sounds. 100% it was doing this prior to shattering. It would do this even before on prior trips as the hull got weaker.
@@TheIndependentLens Las transmisiones que según se filtraron son falsas, las desmintieron, además los monitores que avisan de la integridad del casco, solo lo hacían cuando ya era inminente el problema, así que para cuando vieron la alarma, ya no existían
The first half of this piece is repetitive of previous reports, but the second part starts introducing some new information, and the end ads some overdue strong treatment of what led to these deaths. 🤬
there were vids and pics of the wreckage being brought up. the only intact pieces were the titanium end caps that were covered with cloth since the pate was infused into the metal.
... Lawsuit .... Oceangate advertised & developed a dangerous "adventure tourism" ponzi scheme, using an uncertified submarine that had several dangerous dives before the fatal dive.
I wouldn’t have built the thing out of Carbon Fiber, I’d have built it fully out of Titanium, even bracing the internals with several 2 by 4’s for added structural integrity.
While steel would have done the job better - left or right it would have easily added extra weight and it needed to be much bigger to counter balance the weight difference. aka way more expensive then this backyard thing was.
Titanium is very strong but it's also flexible that it bends under heavy load (and recovers when the load is removed). May not be the best choice for a sub.
No one believes he wasn't extremely intelligent which is why people just really don't understand why he did not know better. Why would you not consistently test the passenger capsule every single time it returned from a mission. A friend of mine always says that when you are on mission it's what you don't see is the thing that will kill you. Imagine what type of stress the capsule took being pulled behind the ship. So very,very sad!
They literally charged a $¼ million PER person! So they should have done a lot more to make that sub Fully capable of handling the pressures & compression forces that they were putting their sub through. It takes just a mild understanding of physics/material science/engineering design, to realize there is something seriously wrong about the current design they were using. The hull was connected to the end cap with adhesive glue and some bolts to connect metal to carbon fiber. The hull was spun in a linear manner without any woven patterns or reinforced structures. They should have AT LEAST made a sub with a much more durable, strong, reinforced, trusted material & shape design. I'm all for innovation and trying new things and pushing the boundaries but when it comes to exploring the deep ocean you DEFINITELY want to make sure your sub capsule does not implode. It needs to be able to endure the environment you are going to... There is no wiggle room when it comes to this & they already are charging a TON per person anyway sooo, why not make it work? If they did, they would still be having a huge income situation happening. Yet they only cared about the money income and not the engineering design safety that is required in order to keep receiving that financial income..
Submersible implodes. (ALL employees look @ 1-another... ) "I think we all just got fired." So uh... how do we pick up our severance checks? Is there any chance we can get a good reference?
But you know there were a father and son that changed their mind and said that we did some research and found this thing is not really been certified not really safe and had flaws so they didn't go very smart kid doing the research he saved him and his dad's life personally I wouldn't go I would say I didn't lose anything down there and I don't care if it's been certified like the one James Cameron went down on still wouldn't go how many if you have to risk your life to save a family member or someone else that's fine but that's just reckless playing Russian roulette unnecessary while Stockton Rush was reckless and irresponsible I think the others should have done the research on it like that others did you have to take a little bit of personal responsibility they should have did research on it
So many blunders, Not bead blasting the titanium surface for a better molecular bond with the epoxy to carbon fiber joint. Assembly not performed in a clean room environment. Very sad.
Ironic his disregard for safety will forever has his name tied don’t be this guy. He set precedent hopefull it will keep the stocktons of this world to a higher bar
They charged 250K per person? Is it any wonder why they made their subs so cheap? No matter how much money you make, you could always make more by cutting costs. And we wonder why the quality in eveything has gone down over the years. Chasing record profits at the expense of quality goods.
it costs about a million for a support ship to go to the Titanic site. They weren't making money on 250k per passenger. You have charge a million per passenger and take five or six years with 50-60 paying passengers to break even on a proper submersible and support ship. You can only make a few trips each year due to a limited window of time. This is why no one with actual knowledge has made a business doing this and the Russians only doing it for a time in the early 90s charging 1 mill per person and private expeditions after 2000 for 15-20 million dollars for a handful of people.
What happened to all the journalists that published their fluff pieces in the years prior to this disaster, allowing this snake oil salesman to endanger the public?
More government that's what these people want. How about freedom to choose. These 5 grown people chose to do rich people stuff and lost there lives. I'm not crying one bit.
I dont have the slightest interest in observing the wreckage. I dont know why anyone would, why there is any commercial demand at all, even at zero cost and no risk.
It depends on the person. There are millions of people fascinated by the Titanic. And if you were to offer them a real way to go see the Titanic at a semi affordable price, in a safe vehicle, oh hell yes people would do it. The Titanic movie is the 4th most grossing movie ever. At one point, it was the number 1 grossing.
Rush was a narcissist but nobody is catching James Cameron in the same game. Even not being a scientist, he has expressed resentment that people aren't contacting him to be part of the investigation of this accident. Like, come on guy, you direct movies and dove to the Marianas but that does not make you an engineer!!
Crazy how people are placing all the blame on Stockton Rush's shoulders. Sure he was a smooth talker, but he didn't build the thing. He had a whole design and engineer team build it. Where he went wrong was trusting them blindly, and trusting his ingenuity, because they used the same sub for many dives. Instead of building another to switch off with, this one imploded due to overexposure. Again, what he did was wrong (minimizing the risks with his smooth talking ways), those people on every Titanic dive including this one knew death was a risk. No matter how you feel or what you believe to be true, at the end of the day they made the decision. I'm ashamed to say if I was filthy rich and offered this opportunity, I'd probably take it. Going to a ship that has only been seen in person by a handful of people in over 100 years. When I put it like that, it sounds fascinating doesn't it? It must really be an otherwordly feeling when the bow slowly and finally comes into view.... RIP to all those who died in the implosion and on the Titanic.
That someone was Stockton Rush, he used carbon fibre he knew was deteriorating with every pressurisation cycle. Then he took innocent people with him on his aquatic game of Russian Roulette. Rush wasn't stupid, he knew it was a question of when, not if his carbon fibre coke can imploded.
The fact is the environment that far under water is way more dangerous than going into space, and the moron convinced 4 other people to pay $250K each to sit in an uncertified toy with a PlayStation controller steering it. How is that even possible?? Wow
In fairness, he DID go aboard it himself (that's the ONLY positive thing I can say about that guy). Will we ever witness shovel-faced creepy cretin Musk aboard any of his dumbass rockets, I wonder? Nah - didn't think so......
They knew the risks. He didn't hold a gun to their head. Everything he told them, he believed to he true, including the risk of death like stated on the consent form.
And the pressure vessel was glued to a different substance i.e the metal end pods that is not good enough should have been bolted but clearly this was just one thing of many serious issues.
In this case there was no difference. The Navy recorded the sounds of the implosion. Or does sound that 100% corresponds to an imploding submarine not count es evidence? 😂
Boeing only sold him some old carbon fiber material that they no longer wanted. They had nothing to do with the design or assembly. The University was not involved, either. He lied to make the process sound legitimate. Boeing used to be the gold standard when engineers ran the company. Then they switched and let accountants run the company who didn't understand the importance of good engineering and assembly practices. All they focused on was the bottom line.
@@kasperkjrsgaard1447 I wonder what kind of condition that material was in. Bad enough that he used material that was completely wrong for the application, but if he used old material that wasn't in good condition, that makes it even worse. He thought he was a great engineer. He was a hack.
@@cremebrulee4759 The worst is that if there was internal delamination in the carbon fiber fuselage, it could have been detected with ultrasound scanning. It would have shown any voids, pockets of air, in the test. I used to work as a NDT-technician in the wind turbine business, where my job was to find and detect air voids in the lamination of the blades. I’m not saying that it could have prevented the accident, but it’s a possibility. But yes, he was a hack.
Rush's fatal flaw is his refusal to listen to people who know better about the material, carbon fibre. Rules doesn't restrict innovation, it saves lives by making sure innovation produces safe and better machines rather than cheap and unsafe machines.
@@JasonTan-9757 pressure and vacuum chambers have had several centuries of failures with metal designs. Now add fiber where most designs are pressure vessel. The sub is reverse ie higher pressure on the outside so like a vacuum chamber. Ie buckling issue. Now you have composite materials where the fiber has about zero strength in compression So the goop holding the fiber really is the key concern That is a ridiculously dangerous design so a giant risk.. Ignoring engineering risks just causes an issue. Fatigue failure has over a dozen hokey variables even under the best conditions. In the prior dives you can have small cracks that water got and flowed back out with each dive cycle. This can make cracks grow in size. That was known decades ago. As an engineer the flaw to me seems using a composite design. Why not metal that is easier to test and has historically worked?
The insane thing is that with his aeronautical engineering background, he himself knew plenty about carbon fibre. The problem was his attitude. He must have known that carbon fibre has weaknesses, but it's something he was familiar with because of his years in aviation. He preferred and trusted it because he used it before, even though it was not appropriate for this application. It's all about ego.
I agree to an extent. That being said these people all agreed and paid money to go on this thing and even signed waivers. I feel bad for the teenage kid who wanted to make his dad happy and I do also for the rest because Stockton absolutely sold them on it and unfortunately they trusted him. But there were two of the passengers with vast experience diving to titanic and they still chose to go. Idk. People are and should be free to do what they want but they need to do some research on what they are doing.
One of the ugliest aspects of this disaster is that the media milked this story for days with the rumors of "96 hours of oxygen" and "we heared banging noises" while it was known that the sub imploded on Sunday.
@@BeccaJoyDowdaBriscoeMoorehead Hope does not compare to lying to the public. They knew, and said nothing because of HOPE? Such BS. It's called click bait.
Everything that I've read abs watched indicated that the heads of all the rescue parties and agencies were in unison telling the media there was hope, slim perhaps but hope. If you watch interviews with people like James Cameron, it's clear he's holding back, saying all hope was lost, and the second communication ended. He's actually directly asked a few times, and he deflects his answer. He said it was out of respect for the rescue operations that he didn't bluntly say anything. He was being interviewed for his expertise in the submersible industry. The navy and coast guard should be held accountable more in the instance than the media.
@markrowland1366 That was my simplistic basis as an engineer for deciding not to entertain a new Cannondale mountain bike with a carbon fibre front mono fork. Just knowing at some point that unpleasantness would likely strike.
I can’t find an exact number but the most expensive ticket in today’s money was probably less than half of the price. The highest estimate I’ve seen is $100,000
Billionaires gronking on about their vanity projects - "Ooh look, we're exploring....." as how many on Planet Earth are homeless/starving/in poverty? Personally I still find it impossible to feel ANY sympathy for any of those on board that ego trip (with the possible exception of the kid). Just being practical here.
The mere fact that he built that DEATH TUBE so that the passengers had to be bolted in from the outside without any escape hatch or latch mechanism to exit should have been a huge red flag for anyone considering getting in that THING !! Talk about cutting corners and COST
@@fanatamon no doubt about it! And, given the fact that there are only 6 such vessels in the entire world that are capable of reaching those depths safely, Rush had to have known the true costs associated with engineering building and testing a submersible capable of carrying 5 people safely with proven materials and technology. He simply didn’t have those resources but was hell bent on finding a solution by using unproven materials and cut corner technology to fast track his vision, which was ultimately his undoing. A classic combination of blind ambition and narcissism
@@SeriousSchitt I assume the OP means the coastguard/authorities knew. It's now established that they were aware of an underwater sound suspected to be the Titan imploding, at about the same time it lost contact with the mother ship. It's tragic fate was known immediately. It was crazy how the coastguard was briefing the media for days about a wide search, so many hours of oxygen left for the 5 men etc, etc, when they knew full well the Titan and its occupants were no more, and exactly where the wreck lay - immediately beneath the point it entered the water, close to the 'Titanic'. James Cameron has condemned this prolonged deception, not least because it gave relatives of the dead false hope.
A business opportunity was all that this was to him, a way to make money. He didn't do this out of his love of the Titanic or the excitement of taking people to the Titanic wreck. He did it to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. In order to do that, he constructed a vessel that was cheap, unsafe, and uncertified. His narcissistic arrogance killed four people who trusted him. The other members of management in his company let him do what he wanted to do and refused to listen to employees and others who warned them. I saw a video of them building this disaster, and I was shocked to see both the small amount of adhesive that was being used (2 inches, I think) and that it was applied in an area that was not a clean room. Dust and dirt floating in the air got into that glue and would have made the seal weaker. That, of course, was just one mistake.
Just after this happened I was watching a game show on ITV, obviously filmed months in advance. The host asked the one contestant what he would do if he won a lot of money. He answered that he wanted to go down to see the Titanic!
This is still a rich persons follie. Adding certifications will only make it less affordable. Watch what the various space tourism groups are doing. Eventually they will have an issue. If you want to standardize vessel safety it will have to be on the engineering and construction side.
Certifications still put the responsibility on engineering which is where it should be. The Canadians put Americans through hell when it comes to crossing the border, many times out of sheer racism, but let this experimental sub launch from Newfoundland without so much as a form having to be filled out. Then when the ship imploded they tucked tail and deferred to the American Coast Guard and refused to talk to the media. An International standard or certification would've stopped this.
@@iamcase1245 actually it’s the other way around at the border. Getting into Canada is easy. Getting back into the states is way harder than the opposite. I like how your brain washed thinking racism is the issue.
@@glamdolly30 The utter stupidity defies belief. I explained what happened the day that titan went missing, but no one wanted to believe me. Fortunately when I was explaining what happened and suggested a solution, someone in the office was recording and subsequently typed it up. Here is the edited copy of the basic discussion. By simply wrapping the core of a toilet roll in carbon fibre, you can demonstrate it's enormous TENSILE strength, showing that you cannot burst it from the inside. Then you can just crush it from the outside with your bare hands. The only crush strength was from the epoxy, but since it contained air bubbles, they would progressively collapse from the outside on every dive cycle, reducing it's strength to that of a soggy sponge. A far better solution would have been to start off with 2 titanium cylinders of half inch thickness, leaving a 5 inch gap when they were placed one inside the other. These could have been continuously welded into slots machined into the end caps. The cavity could have been evacuated and it's ability to retain a vacuum verified. Using a mixing nozzle and sealed connections to the vacuumed cylinders, the entire cavity could have been filled with high strength low modulus epoxy and left to cure for a few weeks. The whole thing would have needed to be on end and slightly tilted, with injection at the lowest point and vacuum at the highest. A window tank at the top, would have verified complete filling. Needless to say, the epoxy would have needed to be retarded, to allow time for filling before curing commenced. This method, using conical removable cones, was used to construct the single piece nose radome of Concorde. Throughout the life of the aircraft they never had a failure. Perhaps the most important factor, is that regular ultrasonic testing could have been performed. The titanium outer shell would have also given good damage resistance and clearly visible marks of any impact.
This is why safety is the one important thing when it comes to underwater expeditions. Stockton should have deflated his ego and just listened to the people who knew better about the material, Carbon fiber. Rules don't restrict innovation, it saves lives by making sure that innovation produces safe and better machines rather than cheap and unsafe machines. I'm honestly glad that people spoke up about Titan not being safe, you are bolted into a literal Deathtrap with no chance of escape
Any WW11 Submariner, will recall the noises their sub made when diving to 300 feet. They will also remember those needle jets of water! Steel was very durable and able to absorb tolerable stresses, as the rivetted structure changed domensionally. Fast forward to Epoxy Resins and Carbon Fibre. That Epoxy is more than likely to fracture, rather than deflect, when absorbing dimensional changes. This means it will never return to whence it started from. The nexy time stresses are applied, the fractured Epoxy will simply resemble a poor replica of the pristine original. Goodness knows how long before those coils of Carbon Fibre simple collapsed, when their encapsulation simply crumpled and vapourised under the pressure. There is no way comparisons with pressure changes associated with aviation can be cited, in comparison to sub sea pressures. The man was a raving lunatic to believe he had an entity that could demonstrate his submersible had the ability to operate within it's 'Elastic Limit' - which was never evaluated. The only saving grace for those, who perished, was the fact they would not have been able to blink an eyelid before eternity embraced them. Future generations will be forever in their debt for preventing replication of this stupid spproach to engineering problems. Challenges remain, of course, to be tackled by 'real engineers' and the support of technology.
They all signed the death waivers. They were instantly turned into plankton food paste. Sad about the teenager, but the others went down for the clout.
That's harsh. The Titanic expert was there for his love of the Titanic, not for clout. He worked for the company as a sort of tour guide. He didn't pay a fare to be there.
I can’t resist these Titan videos… what a catastrophe!! 😮
Rush’s statement that we’re bringing ocean exploration to everyone at a mere 250,000 bucks a piece shows just how out of touch with reality he really was!!! Many people don’t make that much money in 8 to 10 years! That’s a really stupid thing to say by a very selfish individual
What? YOU DON’T HAVE $250,000 stuck in your sock drawer? Why, EVERY AMERICAN has that!!! What’s a mere $250,000? That’s chump change!!!! Especially when you’re as delusional as Stockton Rush was!!!! Obviously he thinks that price brings his adventures down to where EVERYONE CAN AFFORD TO GO!!! I’m already signed up to go in the spring of 2025!!! It’s non-refundable, but at that price, WHO CARES???
That’s because people like him don’t view those kinds of people as people to be classified as everyone.
@@ray8304
Most wealthy people are like that
You're being disingenuous on purpose here. With context, he is correct. There are millions of people in the world who can afford $250k, and when they fuel progress in a sector, it becomes cheaper for everyone else over time. It was clearly a broad statement that most critical thinkers could understand. Sorry you couldn't.
@@JuliusCaesar888 obviously, Caesar could afford a ticket and look how he ended up. As with most wealthy people the more money they acquire the more narrow their thinking becomes. I don’t think Rush was thinking about that when he vastly cut corners and side stepped certifications in order to avoid the costs associated with building it. Because, had he done it right he and his passengers would still be alive but they probably would have had to pay several times as much for the trip. So much for critical thinking buddy
It would have been a matter of time until Stockton tried diving to Mariana trench in a carbon fiber sub.
Yea he was a special one.
🤣LOL😂 straight facts.
With materials he got a deep discount on
The Marianne trench doesn't need any more disasters like The Titanic Submersible. James Cameron made that dive already but in a proper submersible
A trash can with saran wrap made by NASA
Lately some people have defended Stockton Rush and commenting that people are being to harsh on him. Unbelievable. Everyone in the industry said his vessel would implode...it imploded. I am not a person to judge another harshly but ol Stockton is a worthy exception.
Only his Bohemian Club buddies
@@subkarl you mean the big owl boys? He was one of them?
@@knowsmebyname Yup- but they only let him in to be the entertainment cause his dad had been the president - there lies the motivation for this whole thing
@@subkarl had something to prove did he then? "I am somebody!" That makes sense if its true.
@@subkarl was he wealthy?
Well, at least they weren't lying when they billed it as a "once in a lifetime trip".
My thoughts too...
All the professional subs do not look like a tank with a tiny window, not even close...why why why would.these people pay each that money for that? You would think they would have had the intelligence to know better....the tiny window yet...
This man Stockton Rush should not have been allowed to work on anything like that he was irresponsible didn't care about other people's safety very reckless man
Well he won't do that again will he ??
@@lindaclarkq8326 no he won't that's for sure is the supervisor of the swimming pool on the Titanic is full of water
The Atlantic had a crush on Rush.
Brilliant comment
And sadly the 4 other victims he took with him on his aquatic game of Russian Roulette, among them two paying customers he conned with his snake oil patter. Rush sold these Titanic trips as being no more dangerous than crossing the road. But he had to know each pressurisation of the carbon fibre coke can, weakened it. It was only a matter of when, not if, it imploded at depth.
@@boojr0906, best comment ever!!!!!!!!!!
You can really dance wooo
@@Ola_Uteligger that should be a song
The Titanic is a place to respect ; many people died is not to be a circus.
I totally agree let them rest in peace.... sad that the dead can be used as a way to get ahead or to make quick cash
@@FoRtNiTeSoUlSfRoMh3LL The dead are long gone and don't care what happens to the ship. The passengers and staff got turned into human paste and eaten by the creatures of the sea. They are gone. They don't exist anymore in any shape or form so you can't disturb something that doesn't even exist on atomic level.
Who the hell designs a sub where you are literally bolted inside?
Imagine paying $250k for your own death while still alive.
The more money people have the more reckless they become with their lives.
Does anyone want to ride my cool new car?! It’s made from legos and soda cans
Narcissists are never wrong. Every one else is !
Well...I suppose the positive thing about all this is that now, no one will ever dive in any submersible that isn't certified-let alone "experimental"- and any patents Rush had for his "innovative" carbon fibre hull are less than worthless..
"Success has many fathers while failure is an orphan."
Rush took risks and it backfired. I would have been scared to death descending into the depths in a carbon fibre sub...gotta be steel to withstand the ocean pressing upon you. Heart goes out to those lost, especially the teenager who really did not want to go.
RIP to those 4 victims. Had they been told the truth, I doubt they would have been inside. Now that more and more have come out, what they did to trick people to enter and dive is criminal! Surprised his overly inflated ego didn't get them back to the surface!
His blatant disregard for safety wasn’t a secret. All they had to do is do their own research. Outside of the 17 year old they all had big egos and thought because they were billionaires they were safe. The hell with them
The company was badly run and staffed by foolish people but the universitys and other bodies who should have picked up the blatant stupidity of this design deserve full investigation
wealthy underwater cabal Scooby Dooing us away from their Shangilatlantis, baby!
Once in a lifetime trip. Thats for sure!
“ WE’RE ALL GONNA F**KING DIE”
Stockton’s last words ….
Nah. Carbon fiber does not give a warning; it just shatters and due to the pressure at those levels everyone was instant compressed to an hamburger - not even time to feel, see or respond to what was happening.
@@vanderlinde4you oh they knew something was gonna happen. The amount of noise it was making by then let them know.
@@TheIndependentLens It does not warn - it does immediately shatter.
@@vanderlinde4you oh no, all the popping and cracking sounds. 100% it was doing this prior to shattering. It would do this even before on prior trips as the hull got weaker.
@@TheIndependentLens Las transmisiones que según se filtraron son falsas, las desmintieron, además los monitores que avisan de la integridad del casco, solo lo hacían cuando ya era inminente el problema, así que para cuando vieron la alarma, ya no existían
The first half of this piece is repetitive of previous reports, but the second part starts introducing some new information, and the end ads some overdue strong treatment of what led to these deaths. 🤬
Stockton Rush was the Timothy Treadwell of the Ocean.
Pick up 50 litres of water to see how heavy that is, much less miles and miles of it on top of you, no way, not in this thing.
@@johnshaw359 just 10 meters of water equals the pressure of the whole atmosphere.
4 kilometers is just insane.
Have we seen any evidence of the sub-fragment parts as of yet? Are there any links to share to the wreckage?
there were vids and pics of the wreckage being brought up. the only intact pieces were the titanium end caps that were covered with cloth since the pate was infused into the metal.
... Lawsuit .... Oceangate advertised & developed a dangerous "adventure tourism" ponzi scheme, using an uncertified submarine that had several dangerous dives before the fatal dive.
Trully "ONCE" In "LIFETIME"
🕊
Maybe they can get rid of a few more billionaires.
I wouldn’t have built the thing out of Carbon Fiber, I’d have built it fully out of Titanium, even bracing the internals with several 2 by 4’s for added structural integrity.
Yes!!! Forward thinking!
While steel would have done the job better - left or right it would have easily added extra weight and it needed to be much bigger to counter balance the weight difference. aka way more expensive then this backyard thing was.
Titanium is very strong but it's also flexible that it bends under heavy load (and recovers when the load is removed). May not be the best choice for a sub.
@@TheRocco96 Titanium worked pretty well for the DSV Alvin, the first subersible to visit Titanic.
Its Karma for making an Open Grave a Tourist Stop.
T he Titan was an unscientific toy. And yet a minor was allowed to die in this toy.
No one believes he wasn't extremely intelligent which is why people just really don't understand why he did not know better. Why would you not consistently test the passenger capsule every single time it returned from a mission. A friend of mine always says that when you are on mission it's what you don't see is the thing that will kill you. Imagine what type of stress the capsule took being pulled behind the ship. So very,very sad!
They literally charged a $¼ million PER person! So they should have done a lot more to make that sub Fully capable of handling the pressures & compression forces that they were putting their sub through. It takes just a mild understanding of physics/material science/engineering design, to realize there is something seriously wrong about the current design they were using. The hull was connected to the end cap with adhesive glue and some bolts to connect metal to carbon fiber. The hull was spun in a linear manner without any woven patterns or reinforced structures. They should have AT LEAST made a sub with a much more durable, strong, reinforced, trusted material & shape design. I'm all for innovation and trying new things and pushing the boundaries but when it comes to exploring the deep ocean you DEFINITELY want to make sure your sub capsule does not implode. It needs to be able to endure the environment you are going to... There is no wiggle room when it comes to this & they already are charging a TON per person anyway sooo, why not make it work? If they did, they would still be having a huge income situation happening. Yet they only cared about the money income and not the engineering design safety that is required in order to keep receiving that financial income..
Stockton should have been mandated to where his helmet at all times.
Submersible implodes. (ALL employees look @ 1-another... ) "I think we all just got fired."
So uh... how do we pick up our severance checks? Is there any chance we can get a good reference?
"Amazing and u all r making dreams come true" .......if u dream was to b vaporized in a millisecond.
But you know there were a father and son that changed their mind and said that we did some research and found this thing is not really been certified not really safe and had flaws so they didn't go very smart kid doing the research he saved him and his dad's life personally I wouldn't go I would say I didn't lose anything down there and I don't care if it's been certified like the one James Cameron went down on still wouldn't go how many if you have to risk your life to save a family member or someone else that's fine but that's just reckless playing Russian roulette unnecessary while Stockton Rush was reckless and irresponsible I think the others should have done the research on it like that others did you have to take a little bit of personal responsibility they should have did research on it
So many blunders, Not bead blasting the titanium surface for a better molecular bond with the epoxy to carbon fiber joint. Assembly not performed in a clean room environment. Very sad.
Gambling with people's lives
And he lost that bet. As a result, five people paid the ultimate price.
" Making people's dreams come true " he said !!!
" a once in a lifetime trip " that sounds about right Mr Rush. !!
I dont think that should be considered a submarine those are safe
Ironic his disregard for safety will forever has his name tied don’t be this guy. He set precedent hopefull it will keep the stocktons of this world to a higher bar
Would be made in Everett lmao
They charged 250K per person? Is it any wonder why they made their subs so cheap? No matter how much money you make, you could always make more by cutting costs. And we wonder why the quality in eveything has gone down over the years. Chasing record profits at the expense of quality goods.
it costs about a million for a support ship to go to the Titanic site. They weren't making money on 250k per passenger. You have charge a million per passenger and take five or six years with 50-60 paying passengers to break even on a proper submersible and support ship. You can only make a few trips each year due to a limited window of time. This is why no one with actual knowledge has made a business doing this and the Russians only doing it for a time in the early 90s charging 1 mill per person and private expeditions after 2000 for 15-20 million dollars for a handful of people.
What happened to all the journalists that published their fluff pieces in the years prior to this disaster, allowing this snake oil salesman to endanger the public?
💀💀💀 there were things wrong w/ the submersible before it went on its expedition w/ it's five passengers!!°💀💀💀💀😭💀😭💀
Now I see the problem. He worked with Boeing!
More government that's what these people want. How about freedom to choose. These 5 grown people chose to do rich people stuff and lost there lives. I'm not crying one bit.
They were dead Long before they Submerged that day.
I dont have the slightest interest in observing the wreckage. I dont know why anyone would, why there is any commercial demand at all, even at zero cost and no risk.
It depends on the person. There are millions of people fascinated by the Titanic. And if you were to offer them a real way to go see the Titanic at a semi affordable price, in a safe vehicle, oh hell yes people would do it.
The Titanic movie is the 4th most grossing movie ever. At one point, it was the number 1 grossing.
@@naturalselection1096 Lot of people are fascinated by little.
I think Seattle is a bigger disaster
Rush was a narcissist but nobody is catching James Cameron in the same game. Even not being a scientist, he has expressed resentment that people aren't contacting him to be part of the investigation of this accident. Like, come on guy, you direct movies and dove to the Marianas but that does not make you an engineer!!
Stockton's voice sounds like what Ben Shapiros will when he hits puberty
Crazy how people are placing all the blame on Stockton Rush's shoulders. Sure he was a smooth talker, but he didn't build the thing. He had a whole design and engineer team build it. Where he went wrong was trusting them blindly, and trusting his ingenuity, because they used the same sub for many dives. Instead of building another to switch off with, this one imploded due to overexposure. Again, what he did was wrong (minimizing the risks with his smooth talking ways), those people on every Titanic dive including this one knew death was a risk. No matter how you feel or what you believe to be true, at the end of the day they made the decision. I'm ashamed to say if I was filthy rich and offered this opportunity, I'd probably take it. Going to a ship that has only been seen in person by a handful of people in over 100 years. When I put it like that, it sounds fascinating doesn't it? It must really be an otherwordly feeling when the bow slowly and finally comes into view.... RIP to all those who died in the implosion and on the Titanic.
Maybe someone sabotaged the submarine!
yeah drilled a hole prior to departure.
That someone was Stockton Rush, he used carbon fibre he knew was deteriorating with every pressurisation cycle. Then he took innocent people with him on his aquatic game of Russian Roulette. Rush wasn't stupid, he knew it was a question of when, not if his carbon fibre coke can imploded.
Yeah, Rush did.
Sorry but all rehashed news.
thats video recycling
Endless rehash of old information. Classic RUclips clickbait. Please NO more Titan videos 😩There is NO cure for Stupidity!
The fact is the environment that far under water is way more dangerous than going into space, and the moron convinced 4 other people to pay $250K each to sit in an uncertified toy with a PlayStation controller steering it. How is that even possible?? Wow
This guy Rush’s inflated ego and recklessness killed those passengers.
Too bad it was not more inflated, could have withstood the pressure then.
Respect mr Rush
In fairness, he DID go aboard it himself (that's the ONLY positive thing I can say about that guy). Will we ever witness shovel-faced creepy cretin Musk aboard any of his dumbass rockets, I wonder? Nah - didn't think so......
@@JabocTheJewRush is nothing but a narcissist and murderer!
They knew the risks. He didn't hold a gun to their head. Everything he told them, he believed to he true, including the risk of death like stated on the consent form.
Rush is a criminal.. ahem, was a criminal
@geraldtn3175 now he's history. And biomass on the ocean floor.
bring the ocean explore to everyone....who has 250 thousand dollars for the trip that uses a play station 🎮 and glow sticks for light!
And the pressure vessel was glued to a different substance i.e the metal end pods that is not good enough should have been bolted but clearly this was just one thing of many serious issues.
The search for the sub was a sham. They knew it imploded.
EXACTLY!
"Knowing" and having tangible evidence are two different things.
In this case there was no difference. The Navy recorded the sounds of the implosion.
Or does sound that 100% corresponds to an imploding submarine not count es evidence? 😂
They knew it imploded but they also wanted to collect the debris. It wasn’t a sham at all.
@massdebation how is oceangate supposed to pay?
Boeing involved and it fell apart? Say it isnt so.
He bought aged carbon fibres from Boeing and that’s where it stopped.
Shoulda went with airbus 😂
Boeing only sold him some old carbon fiber material that they no longer wanted. They had nothing to do with the design or assembly. The University was not involved, either. He lied to make the process sound legitimate. Boeing used to be the gold standard when engineers ran the company. Then they switched and let accountants run the company who didn't understand the importance of good engineering and assembly practices. All they focused on was the bottom line.
@@kasperkjrsgaard1447 I wonder what kind of condition that material was in. Bad enough that he used material that was completely wrong for the application, but if he used old material that wasn't in good condition, that makes it even worse. He thought he was a great engineer. He was a hack.
@@cremebrulee4759 The worst is that if there was internal delamination in the carbon fiber fuselage, it could have been detected with ultrasound scanning. It would have shown any voids, pockets of air, in the test. I used to work as a NDT-technician in the wind turbine business, where my job was to find and detect air voids in the lamination of the blades. I’m not saying that it could have prevented the accident, but it’s a possibility.
But yes, he was a hack.
Rush's fatal flaw is his refusal to listen to people who know better about the material, carbon fibre. Rules doesn't restrict innovation, it saves lives by making sure innovation produces safe and better machines rather than cheap and unsafe machines.
@@JasonTan-9757 Plus he could have easily tested a smaller scale sub, but he didn’t have the money so he just went ahead with a sub full of people.
@@felixf4378 he also didn't get Titan certified as he didn't want to spend the money
@@JasonTan-9757 pressure and vacuum chambers have had several centuries of failures with metal designs. Now add fiber where most designs are pressure vessel.
The sub is reverse ie higher pressure on the outside so like a vacuum chamber. Ie buckling issue.
Now you have composite materials where the fiber has about zero strength in compression
So the goop holding the fiber really is the key concern
That is a ridiculously dangerous design so a giant risk..
Ignoring engineering risks just causes an issue.
Fatigue failure has over a dozen hokey variables even under the best conditions.
In the prior dives you can have small cracks that water got and flowed back out with each dive cycle. This can make cracks grow in size.
That was known decades ago.
As an engineer the flaw to me seems using a composite design. Why not metal that is easier to test and has historically worked?
@@3beltwesty because he was cheap. "Safety is a waste at some point" he said.
The insane thing is that with his aeronautical engineering background, he himself knew plenty about carbon fibre. The problem was his attitude. He must have known that carbon fibre has weaknesses, but it's something he was familiar with because of his years in aviation. He preferred and trusted it because he used it before, even though it was not appropriate for this application. It's all about ego.
Rush's greed and narcissism killed these people
I agree to an extent. That being said these people all agreed and paid money to go on this thing and even signed waivers. I feel bad for the teenage kid who wanted to make his dad happy and I do also for the rest because Stockton absolutely sold them on it and unfortunately they trusted him. But there were two of the passengers with vast experience diving to titanic and they still chose to go. Idk. People are and should be free to do what they want but they need to do some research on what they are doing.
One of the ugliest aspects of this disaster is that the media milked this story for days with the rumors of "96 hours of oxygen" and "we heared banging noises" while it was known that the sub imploded on Sunday.
The media only reported what those supposedly in the know were yelling them. And they later said they withheld info for hopes sake.
@@BeccaJoyDowdaBriscoeMoorehead Hope does not compare to lying to the public. They knew, and said nothing because of HOPE? Such BS. It's called click bait.
Oh, please. A conspiracy under every rock. The navy didn’t tell anyone they heard the implosion.
It wasn’t publically known that the sub had imploded. Medias reported what they were told and as such, keeping up hopes for relatives and families.
Everything that I've read abs watched indicated that the heads of all the rescue parties and agencies were in unison telling the media there was hope, slim perhaps but hope. If you watch interviews with people like James Cameron, it's clear he's holding back, saying all hope was lost, and the second communication ended. He's actually directly asked a few times, and he deflects his answer. He said it was out of respect for the rescue operations that he didn't bluntly say anything. He was being interviewed for his expertise in the submersible industry. The navy and coast guard should be held accountable more in the instance than the media.
For us who were alive in the 70’s the name “OceanGate” have a certain negative sound. 🤔
watergate ??:)
@@vicbittertoo
No. Oceangate, a cult group who committed suicide.
@@anneheimburger3186 that was Heaven's Gate.
So many gates so little time
Carbon fibre is for tension not compression.
Yes !!!!! Worked great on COPVs pressure vessels.. Subs in compression not so much.
@markrowland1366 That was my simplistic basis as an engineer for deciding not to entertain a new Cannondale mountain bike with a carbon fibre front mono fork. Just knowing at some point that unpleasantness would likely strike.
"Everyone" couldn't come up with the 250,000 $ apiece for a seat. I don't even think a luxury suite on the Titanic itself costs so much!
I can’t find an exact number but the most expensive ticket in today’s money was probably less than half of the price. The highest estimate I’ve seen is $100,000
Billionaires gronking on about their vanity projects - "Ooh look, we're exploring....." as how many on Planet Earth are homeless/starving/in poverty? Personally I still find it impossible to feel ANY sympathy for any of those on board that ego trip (with the possible exception of the kid). Just being practical here.
@@daveroche6522 tbf Rush had a net worth of around 20 million. He was not even close to a billionaire
50 years of safety wiped out by Rush's Titanic Ego.
The mere fact that he built that DEATH TUBE so that the passengers had to be bolted in from the outside without any escape hatch or latch mechanism to exit should have been a huge red flag for anyone considering getting in that THING !! Talk about cutting corners and COST
And no safety tether the whole thing was the dumbest attempt and design of a craft.
@@fanatamon no doubt about it! And, given the fact that there are only 6 such vessels in the entire world that are capable of reaching those depths safely, Rush had to have known the true costs associated with engineering building and testing a submersible capable of carrying 5 people safely with proven materials and technology. He simply didn’t have those resources but was hell bent on finding a solution by using unproven materials and cut corner technology to fast track his vision, which was ultimately his undoing. A classic combination of blind ambition and narcissism
they knew pretty quickly that it imploded
“They” = the passengers?
@@SeriousSchitt I assume the OP means the coastguard/authorities knew. It's now established that they were aware of an underwater sound suspected to be the Titan imploding, at about the same time it lost contact with the mother ship. It's tragic fate was known immediately.
It was crazy how the coastguard was briefing the media for days about a wide search, so many hours of oxygen left for the 5 men etc, etc, when they knew full well the Titan and its occupants were no more, and exactly where the wreck lay - immediately beneath the point it entered the water, close to the 'Titanic'.
James Cameron has condemned this prolonged deception, not least because it gave relatives of the dead false hope.
Rush: "Carbon Fibre is a great Matterial"
Atlantic: "So you have chosen Death?" 😂
A business opportunity was all that this was to him, a way to make money. He didn't do this out of his love of the Titanic or the excitement of taking people to the Titanic wreck. He did it to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible. In order to do that, he constructed a vessel that was cheap, unsafe, and uncertified. His narcissistic arrogance killed four people who trusted him. The other members of management in his company let him do what he wanted to do and refused to listen to employees and others who warned them. I saw a video of them building this disaster, and I was shocked to see both the small amount of adhesive that was being used (2 inches, I think) and that it was applied in an area that was not a clean room. Dust and dirt floating in the air got into that glue and would have made the seal weaker. That, of course, was just one mistake.
There’s only been 5 deaths in 50 years in submersible diving. Titan doubled that in one swipe
Is that only civilian?
Just after this happened I was watching a game show on ITV, obviously filmed months in advance. The host asked the one contestant what he would do if he won a lot of money. He answered that he wanted to go down to see the Titanic!
Udub? Are you serious? Can’t reporters just say UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON
Glad to see I’m not the only person annoyed by that lol
Seriously? Designed to go back up?! THEY WERE HAVING MASSIVE PROBLEMS ASCENDING!
If I had a "mere" US$250,000, I could do more for the health of the Earth's oceans than most billionaires can!
As soon as he would show you the game controller. I would have scratched the side of my neck and say "hell no".
This is still a rich persons follie. Adding certifications will only make it less affordable. Watch what the various space tourism groups are doing. Eventually they will have an issue. If you want to standardize vessel safety it will have to be on the engineering and construction side.
Certifications still put the responsibility on engineering which is where it should be. The Canadians put Americans through hell when it comes to crossing the border, many times out of sheer racism, but let this experimental sub launch from Newfoundland without so much as a form having to be filled out. Then when the ship imploded they tucked tail and deferred to the American Coast Guard and refused to talk to the media. An International standard or certification would've stopped this.
@@iamcase1245 actually it’s the other way around at the border. Getting into Canada is easy. Getting back into the states is way harder than the opposite. I like how your brain washed thinking racism is the issue.
This and space tourism is perhaps a good thing to waste money on if you are in the last stage of a terminal illness.
"Stockton may blow a gasket and vent @ you..." Oceangate seemed like a well managed organization.
Rush was a textbook narcissistic abuser/bully. He deserved his fate, but sadly he took four others with him who he'd successfully conned.
@@glamdolly30 its giant red flag when everyone around the narcissist is walking on broken glass.
@@bill6255 VERY true and deeply profound - You said a mouthful there my friend!
@@glamdolly30 The utter stupidity defies belief. I explained what happened the day that titan went missing, but no one wanted to believe me. Fortunately when I was explaining what happened and suggested a solution, someone in the office was recording and subsequently typed it up.
Here is the edited copy of the basic discussion.
By simply wrapping the core of a toilet roll in carbon fibre, you can demonstrate it's enormous TENSILE strength, showing that you cannot burst it from the inside. Then you can just crush it from the outside with your bare hands. The only crush strength was from the epoxy, but since it contained air bubbles, they would progressively collapse from the outside on every dive cycle, reducing it's strength to that of a soggy sponge. A far better solution would have been to start off with 2 titanium cylinders of half inch thickness, leaving a 5 inch gap when they were placed one inside the other. These could have been continuously welded into slots machined into the end caps. The cavity could have been evacuated and it's ability to retain a vacuum verified. Using a mixing nozzle and sealed connections to the vacuumed cylinders, the entire cavity could have been filled with high strength low modulus epoxy and left to cure for a few weeks. The whole thing would have needed to be on end and slightly tilted, with injection at the lowest point and vacuum at the highest. A window tank at the top, would have verified complete filling. Needless to say, the epoxy would have needed to be retarded, to allow time for filling before curing commenced.
This method, using conical removable cones, was used to construct the single piece nose radome of Concorde. Throughout the life of the aircraft they never had a failure. Perhaps the most important factor, is that regular ultrasonic testing could have been performed. The titanium outer shell would have also given good damage resistance and clearly visible marks of any impact.
Actually the smart one was the teenager who really did not want to go but was forced to by his dad.
break the rules pay the price
however risk you own life not other people's
Rush's wife is the great granddaughter of the Strauss who were on the Titanic. I can't imagine what she must feel.
Can't believe that tax payers were the real victims. Oceangate should be held accountable for all the costs incurred. "Banging noises" what a joke!
Titan was built to go no more than 1500 feet but rush took the titan 12500 feet enough info for me what a stupid thing to do
This is why safety is the one important thing when it comes to underwater expeditions. Stockton should have deflated his ego and just listened to the people who knew better about the material, Carbon fiber. Rules don't restrict innovation, it saves lives by making sure that innovation produces safe and better machines rather than cheap and unsafe machines. I'm honestly glad that people spoke up about Titan not being safe, you are bolted into a literal Deathtrap with no chance of escape
Any WW11 Submariner, will recall the noises their sub made when diving to 300 feet. They will also remember those needle jets of water! Steel was very durable and able to absorb tolerable stresses, as the rivetted structure changed domensionally. Fast forward to Epoxy Resins and Carbon Fibre. That Epoxy is more than likely to fracture, rather than deflect, when absorbing dimensional changes. This means it will never return to whence it started from. The nexy time stresses are applied, the fractured Epoxy will simply resemble a poor replica of the pristine original. Goodness knows how long before those coils of Carbon Fibre simple collapsed, when their encapsulation simply crumpled and vapourised under the pressure. There is no way comparisons with pressure changes associated with aviation can be cited, in comparison to sub sea pressures.
The man was a raving lunatic to believe he had an entity that could demonstrate his submersible had the ability to operate within it's 'Elastic Limit' - which was never evaluated.
The only saving grace for those, who perished, was the fact they would not have been able to blink an eyelid before eternity embraced them. Future generations will be forever in their debt for preventing replication of this stupid spproach to engineering problems. Challenges remain, of course, to be tackled by 'real engineers' and the support of technology.
its crazy that they got turned to pink mist in less then a millisecond, thats equivlent to ceasing to exist...0
This contraption looks nothing like the professional submers , why would someone pay that money for a container with a tiny window?
WaterGate,,,HeavensGate,,,,OceanGate,,, 🤔 theres a Pattern forming Here.
If you know AnyThing of the Ocean you Know at that depth there is No Rescue,,,you come back,,or not.
"Disaster" is when people does not have any guilt on it... SO this is FAR from a DISASTER;
Did someone mention Boeing than expect everyone to cheer
They all signed the death waivers. They were instantly turned into plankton food paste. Sad about the teenager, but the others went down for the clout.
That's harsh. The Titanic expert was there for his love of the Titanic, not for clout. He worked for the company as a sort of tour guide. He didn't pay a fare to be there.
No matter how stupid the situation is, you can not blame the passengers 😮
They genuinely trusted this stockton guy
@@bunnyban5365 true, he was very convincing like a salesman. I guess we have all been fooled at some point. Sad it cost them their lives.
He was one of them San Francisco liberal airheads thought he knew everything said I hate country music well what can you expect
im sorry for the boy, he didnt want to go, they got what they payed for
i think james camron and sabatoge bob ballard too