My Opinion and Some Thoughts About Urban Camouflage.
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George Carlin made a joke when the US Marines were sent to Beruit: "Did you see the Marines? They're wearing green camouflage! What good is that? They should be wearing uniforms with storefronts and car grills on them!" To be serious, yes, stone gray works well in an urban/mout environment
They need to dress all in black screaming anti government chants. People would buy them free coffee. Hiding in plain sight.
The one guy that disliked this still wearing ACUs
Not even he is wearing that shit
ACU is the cut of the uniform not the cammo, you must mean UCP.
@@Khanclansith ocp is what I got issued but lot of my company issued gear is not
ACU means army combat uniform not pattern
It would be sufficient to wear garbage attached to MOLLE in cities. add some tetra paks to the helmet, done.
Watched a video of a guy that went to the 2003 invasion of Iraq - said he encountered a local combatant who made a ghille suit out of trash and waited on the side of the street. Very effective and resourceful he said 😆
"Foliage"-bands for helmets
I couldn’t even imagine how bad morale would be in modern city fighting. Also that T Block camouflage seems interesting.
well you have footage now, i’m going to guess you posted the comment before the Ukrainian war
when i was a tactics instructor at SOI back in the mid 90s we tested some MOUT camo. it was light gray, dark gray with a kind of bluish gray camo pattern. no black. our MOUT city then was all concrete block so it did ok, though a little dark. worked good at night. these days i think something that fought back against thermal scopes is the most important form of camouflage in a built up area.
My dad and I both have bottoms in the pattern you're referring to, urban camouflage, grey, subdued
There's also a very similar version that has the slate blue replaced with a dark brick color that works surprisingly well
I believe it was originally developed in russia but don't quote me on it, the concept that is
I completely forgot about Tpat camo
Would Flecktarn in Feldgrau be a good idea?
Ooh Rah
Imagine, thinking your prepared for everything.
But suddenly...
Your in red brick wall camo and the buildings are blue brick walls.
I like the idea of Urban camo but it seems that there are too many variables to be 100% effective because you want something consistent but it can work
true. like a wooded area is basically the same no matter where you are.
Tblock have a great day everyone.
Shame that T Block has always been impossible to get, and even if you do find them they're expensive as hell due to the rarity. The pattern really does look sick tho
@@greyhound9187 There are reprods that are available, they’re not incredibly cheap nor incredibly expensive. I don’t remember the website but, if you dig around a good bit you’ll come upon it
Love the 90s urban camo
Same. ^_^
They should wear a bronze metallic color, so they can disguise as a war memorial.
Smart
Just wear street clothes... They'll be looking for soldiers not civilians lol
@@garypulliam3740 Also shout that the McRib is back to complete the look
There is no defence against the urban ghillie suit
Underrated comment
"see theyre gonna be lookin for army guys"
You get capture however you will be treated as a Terrorist or spy. They can then execute you. Uniforms are made to protect POWs.
I've got a family friend who served in the NYPD for 25 years. He's told me before that their ESU (equivilant to SWAT) wore urban camo in the late 90's with the intention of making them harder to see on CCTV security cameras when conducting raids. The practice wasn't widespread among all ESU officers or long lasting, but it's an interesting perspective on some of the thought process behind urban camo and specific circumstances at that time. Now they wear solid blue and sometimes black uniforms.
Tblock
I’m kind of surprised T-block hasn’t been taken up in fashion design like the other older US camo patterns have. For some reason the way the black lines are remind me of the oldschool pixelated 70s-90s arcade style games like snake...
Back during the final years of the Cold War the British Armoured units in West Berlin had their tanks painted in ‘Urban’ camouflage, it was a mix of grey, dark and rusty brown in squarish patterns.
I'd just go with Ranger Green and call it a day lol.
Grey does make sense for an "urban" camo, mainly because grey is least likely to attract the eye, so while not prefect in all terains, you stand the best chance of blending in for most situations, if someone was trying to move stealthily to a building to breach unnoticed then a plate carrier under a jacket with your pouches and rifle stowed in a backpack would be the optimal option, but for sake of argument you wouldn't be deploying troops in that kinda setup
idk about you mike but my cycle of hair growth kinda goes like this "i'll get a hair cut soon", "fuck it ill grow it out", "My hair is getting in the way of my sights this is a pain", "I'm getting a haircut today" rinse and repeat ad infinitum
The T-block looks particularly good with OD web gear.
Be one with the house...
Confederate jean material is awesome for being hard to spot in a city. Matches rubble perfectly and picks up the natural dust.
Great video. Didn’t actually know much about urban stuff so very informative! Thanks!
i woud argue in favor of a Strichtarn type approach where you have a greyish type colour that isnt ment to blend in as much as it is made to be ignored, a bit like Tblock.
UCP would work great if you're operating in a destroyed city. Rubble, concrete, and broken rocks appear white or a very light gray. Take UCP to a quarry and test it out.
Yeah maybe in a middle-eastern city where there are more lighter color rocks, but most urban cities in north america or other countries are more grey and dark
I've seen photos from war games and training exercises in the 90s/early 2000s. I used to think it was dumb concept, how do you camo in a city, but seeing those photos made me rethink my stance.
From photos, if you actually see urban camo the way an enemy combatant would (i.e. several blocks away, around a corner, against a street, etc.) it is actually somewhat effective. The effect depends on being some distance away and it works best when everything in the opposing force is decked out in the same camo scheme, because it makes all the shapes and silhouettes smear into each other somewhat.
You can still tell there's something there and you can mostly identify what it is, but it does obscure exactly what it is. For example you can tell it's a tank but you might not be able to tell the exact model, or is that four soldiers, five soldiers, maybe six?
Grey is rock colored. Grey works most places, even a suburb in a forest or mixed desert.
It's really easy to see grey in the woods. It's terrible
I know its not a pattern but the color MAS Grey might be one of the more universal shades of grey to add to the list.
No views 2 likes and no comments. T block. Also could the military use a color like Disney’s no see em green?
If the military had to operate in a suburban zone whatever has happened there won't be much green or colorful stuff left
Great video, I love the T Block camo!
Very interesting. I've always loved the urban T pattern.👍
I think if you switched the color scheme of WW2 German Splinter A pattern with dark Gray, light gray and a medium red brown, that’d be a great urban camo pattern. Large , geometric shapes to break up the silhouette in that color scheme would be effective......and cool looking 🙂
Great video, you brought up some great points and I agree with you that a a camo pattern of all greys wouldn't be ideal for urban environments. UCP-D does look like it would be a really good urban pattern, I wonder if the Army would use it if they decided that they really needed a dedicated urban camo.
Tblock! Also it’s a nice looking camo. Nice video mate, I haven’t been recommended a vid by you in a while
T Block- I was out of service for a couple years and missed this whole t block concept, I had zero idea of its existence. Def learned something today
I agree with you on this topic, thanks for your content. I would think, in a new york type city, the more discrete, the better for camo... for example. concrete grey pants, with brownish grey top and an m81 hat, so you cover the sidewalk, bottom half and top half of your average trees from a distance. The One I like is the british special forces prototype one in red brick pattern, but besides that photo you put up i can't find any information on it.
Im really glad you pointed the grey thing out. Its an under appreciated color. Also great if its foggy. Yeah WROL in a city is terrifying.
Tblock, another good one, many good points made
T Block. Solid colors are definitely underrated. Most of my causal wear jackets are a solid earth tone like green, gray, or tan.
T-Block I made it this far.
I think that a grey suit with a typical beige trenchcoat would work quite well, I know that it sounds a lot like the 'Cargo Shorts and T-shirt' option, but it will allow you to blend into society, you can hide a decent amount of stuff in a trenchcoat, and if you need camo, as you were saying, grey is rather common in cities.
I'm sure that there'd be ways to tweak it to make it more compatible, for example some lapels have a button so that you can fold them back over onto themselves and keep it shut, meaning that your shirt is hidden, making you more into just solid whatever colour you are in.
gray with vertical black lines. it's what most trees have with their bark. probably good idea to have a decent ghuilly suit in the bag too. now you can go between urban to woods
In my opinion East German Strictarn is a relatively reliable urban camo. UCP D is also a good one, but I’ve always felt they need to double the size of the pixels, if that makes sense.
I have some grey camo stuff that is meant to be all "tactical" but if I need urban camo that's probably what I'd wear
TBLOCK
Everyone knows tactical black with gold guns is the best. Cant get your 360 no scopes without black an gold baby
Berlin Brigade Camo is quite a good urban camo
The old german greys with smoking dark sections works really well in city. Especially if you are using it late-afternoon (low-light).
I think this metro woodland would work well in a city that is in ruins. In a normal city street, it only can be used to pose :D
Where do I get the brick camo in the thumbnail?
You don't get it, it gets you.
In soviet Russia bricks build you
@@MikeB128 the bricks are moving again
T-Bloc, I made it this far. Excellent video. Any gray dominant camo will work in urban areas since things blur together to a sort of grayish haze. I've had good success with an faded, gray sleeveless shirt and old urban BDU pants. ^_^
T block . I’m wondering if SOF units going to Mas Grey was because all the AOR variants weren’t working so well in built up areas. Seems like I saw some pics of Iranian guards in a grey scale digital camo that looked halfway ok.
I really like the brick camo becuase it's an art form and it actually looks like it might work
Here in Las Vegas I guess I would use Multicam in the city during the day, and probably woodland at night. Some areas around the edge of town would be good for 3 Color Desert, Multicam, or Desert Tiger.
Tblocks seems pretty good, all the same I'd really rather not have to fight anywhere, especially a city.
Its looking like a serious possibility either way things pan out.
"Quantum Stealth" invisibility technology is now functional in clothing. However, the psychological receptivity of humans is a huge factor. Ever puzzled over not seeing something that is in plain sight, like that stop sign you just drove through?
T-block, I made it this far. In most cities if you want to go unnoticed just look like a stack of garbage sacks.
There's no garbage anywhere in Chicago maybe in nyc lol
Damn that pattern low key looks great
Urban camouflages are a hard question. There are some urban camouflages that work greatly, like Russian blue-kamysh or t-block mentioned. Their usage is also a hard question which Russians answered with two sided uniforms, urban camo on one side and green camo on the other when the situation needs. Interesting topic indeed
Not usually a fan of urban camo but I would probably do some unsavory things for a set of T-Block camo.
Never thought about grey that way but the German example made total sense. Yes, grey broken up would make a good urban cammo.
My thoughts on this, is to try and blend in with the concrete sidewalks
Vad bra att du bär M90. Skål!
Sometimes i consider urban camo in the context for security that would be posted at more industrial areas (many industrial areas have security posted, mostly to keep people from stealing tools) as industrial areas are usually less coloured
Granted some will debate if something more noticeable would be better
Imo either way a full kit of Pencott Metropolis or some giant pimp suit with a neon sign saying "security" is better than what i wear, which is some black polo shirt that says the company name in a fairly small font, especially since a black Nike polo looks the same from a distance
I used to have a pair of urban camo BDU pants. They were black, white and shades of Gray in the typical BDU pattern. They looked cool but I don't think they would be very effective.
I would recommend phantomleaf wasp ii z4. Has light gray and rustish
No shortage of shadows in most urban environments. So what works best in shadow?
i love the M90 light!
UCP-D is good but so hard to find. I like chocolate chip camo where the tan is dyed a dull greenish gray. The brown blotches go slightly dark and break up your silhouette into smaller objects and the colors(if done correctly) avoid catching your eye. The tiny flecks of off white (now light gray) and black give the pattern texture and avoid making the pattern look flat. I’ve had mixed results dying 3color camo. Your mileage may vary but back in my paintball days I wore that stuff in everything from a brick factory complex(abandoned) to an old trailer park. I also played an airsoft game in an old mall. I can’t tell you how many people said “I literally couldn’t see you”. Most dull tertiary colors will perform well in an urban setting. All that said, nothing is perfect. That’s why putting a solid object between you and the other guy is the best urban camouflage.
UCP would blend perfectly in neighbourhoods of former soviet satellite states.
A very good urban camo, for higly concrete areas, is the SRVV Surpat, check it out. I've tested it and it really camouflage well the user against nude concrete walls/streets
Tblock - interesting subject!
We are going to need something when SHTF in January. Stay safe.
Hahaha keep dreaming about your "SHTF". Clowns on the right are all talk no action, and clowns on the left are whiny babies who throw bricks. Relax....
Any war / conflict is a pain in the butt. You amp that up with urban / city fighting , because most streets are straight though offering a line of sight . Plus taller buildings for snipers , then cross streets . You then have to clear basically each house / building floor by floor and room by room , to make sure no one will pop up behind you
A civi camo I’ve seen work really well is this Uber tactical airsoft camo that’s a grey woodland with small amounts of desaturated red best description I can give is the fire starter camo in battlefield but it’s nothing official
Bulldog 'Mirage' was similar to UCP Delta but still different, its one option.
I also point to Mas Grey
Good morning Mike, you recovered well from prepper clubbing.
I feel like the Saudi Arabian 6 color grey pattern would work pretty well.
A-TACS AU is one badass urban camo
Tblock
I like Tblock. Interesting pattern.
Tblock. Anyway I think the best camouflage for an urban environment isn't a color or pattern, but knowing your environment. You're going to come across all sorts of environments in a city. Brick, concrete, metal, wood and grass in parks. The best camouflage would be knowing where to move and when. If we're talking a post apocalyptic scenario, you could wear any dark camo, even woodland varieties like MARPAT. The power grid would most likely be out, and the sky scrappers and buildings would block most moon light. So your best bet is traveling at night. Plus in a city the last place you want to be is out on the street, and good luck trying to find a camo that matches building interiors. I would say that the urban landscape is really the only environment where the color and pattern of camo really won't matter, as long as you can stay out of the open.
I feel like the t-block makes for a very good urban night pattern. Anywhere with structures. Probably better than the "urban woodland" or multicam black which are both splotchy
Yeah I've always loved Tblock. I really think it'd be a good "urban" pattern for the most part.
Would Flecktarn in Feldgrau be a good idea?
Stray dogs with C4.
Edit: Cats. I feel like stray cats are way more common.
On a serious note, I would make a gray base color and proceed to add large squares on the original layer. These squares would not be gray, but would be drained and unsaturated to the point in which it mixes fluently with gray. Maybe some dry brown and blue would work well on the gray.
A grey version of the night time desert camo would be cool.
That might work ok .
I was thinking the same thing.
Is that a mikes militaria patch I see on your shirt?
Interesting about UCP - I know people dye it green and tan/brown. T block I made it this far!
do you attach siding for enhance camouflage?
Maybe PenCott Badlands Camo Pattern for Urban Environments?!
Right now in NYC all the store fronts are boarded up with plywood because of the looters. So a plywood camo pattern would work well during shtf
T-Block Interesting observation about what is going to happen in urban areas, in a North American context, if SHTF. Looks like the best operational tactic would be to corral off those cities, let them fight it out, then go in to deal with the survivors. Rather than to go in at the start of SHTF and ending up with all the various factions ganging up on your force.
Anyway keep safe, keep sane and keep posting such interesting contnent Mike.
I just bought some "subdued urban digital" camo items from Propper and Rothco. It's like a much darker version of US Army UCP and I love it. I love the fact that it's made by genuine military suppliers but it's not used by any military that I know of... except the one I'm recruiting for now lol. Join Me!
No trying to steal souls on my fucking channel.
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T block. I made it this far.
Awesome videos btw!
T Block made it so far. Did you ever study g2mil and his book the spectre of future warfare?
Everyone likes the T pattern because it’s uncommon. UCP is actually good in a built up urban environment, especially in a combat zone with destroyed buildings. Also there’s SO much of it on the market you can pick up UCP clothing and gear for pennies
I think the U. S. "Grandma's couch" pattern was on the right track towards being a good camo for a urban enviroment filled with senior citizens.
You know, in case you have a firefight in a retirement home
ACU. Yeah, it was meant as an urban-esque camo, but it got used everywhere and ended up being hated because it stuck out like a sore thumb in the desert
I would say: don't go for a pattern. that will make you stick out. Use neutral, earth tones, then use any foliage around to make you less visible.
my kid wears faded jeans and different shades of gray.....and he disappears when walking in a gravel parking lot.
if you want an urban ghillie suit: use a used shower curtain and make it into a hooded poncho, then glue trash to it. Think I kidding? lie down in an alley and add some ground debris (bark, leaves, whatever) to your suit and see how well it works.
I made one, and put it in my backpack when playing nerf with my son and his friends....I wore basic camo, to look like a CTSF type of look. I let them see me from a distance, then I ran into the dumpster area at the complex. There is no way out except to climb out....but i used my suit, tossed my back back on underneath, sat in the dumpster area and didn't move. they walked in, looked around, left.....got shot, one by one without knowing what was even going on.
.....they, uh....don't let me play anymore. I'm not sure why. 😕
Fuck it me and my homies rocking the brick shirt today 😎😎
Holy Shit Mike, you basically read my mind with your points. Urban camouflage is pretty much a failure at the conceptual level because cities come in every color under the sun. You can't even walk two streets without buildings possibly being in radically different colors.
Not to mention that urban combat takes place at such close ranges that camouflage is basically useless anyway.
Grey or rust maybe beige Color BDU and civilian stuff mix .
how about atacs but with grey and rust brown
I'd thought modded UCP would make for decent urban camo (and it's very surplus now after its ultimate failure in the Near East).
You should definitely rock a mullet, Mike
I certainly did in the early 90s as a dashing young lad.