You definately don't want to be off the throttle when cornering. You want to aim for having a constant throttle so it doesn't upset the suspension. Then start to roll on as you're on/past the apex. Slow in fast out is the safest in my opinion and I still consider myself a noob.
This rider stayed to the inside lane entering the curve and during the curve a lot. Not the way to do it. You should enter the curve in the outside lane of the three choices for better vision up the road.
Overall good work--I appreciated your on the bike demonstration of turn-in point and apex, and your definitions of a smooth corner. Also, you mentioned trail braking as well but didn't go into how to develop that skill and when it's appropriate, and I think that could be a useful video. I also think your words of caution about surprises in a corner was wise (the dog barking story was great). But I don't think doing a quick 130 blast is the best idea for new-rider oriented video. Newbs don't need any encouragement for excessive speed on public roads IMO.
Yes sir corners are not joke I got my license yesterday I drove my bike for the first time yesterday and the damn corner I fell I’m a ok though but the bike is wrecked
great video, gonna watch again, so to reiterate: You roll off the throttle/brake before the turn, then you lean in TO turn, then you smoothly roll on the throttle?
Rolling off the throttle allows the front suspension to compress, allowing a larger contact patch from the front tire, allowing a quicker turn in rate and more traction. The only time this is bad to do, is on gravel or surfaces with bad traction. After rolling off, turn in as quick as possible, assuming you have good traction conditions. As soon as you complete setting your lean angle to the desired lean angle you believe will allow you to make it completely through the entire corner, roll on to maintenance throttle to maintain your speed until you see the exit then begin to stand the bike up and roll on smoothly to whatever throttle you desire. Any more questions feel free to ask. Thanks for the sub.
ah ok, so in order to tighten a turn, your better off rolling off the throttle provided traction and road conditions are good? In addition to providing a greater contact patch, rolling off would increase the lean angle yeah? Further tightening the turn?
Nope, though your thought process is right the bike actually behaves differently then anything your used to. Because rolling off a throttle mid turn is one of the most common newbie mistakes that lead to a quick crash. What is throttle control rule #1? If you don't know then I encourage you to go read twist of the wrist II, the book. Or atleast watch the youtube video. However, for the sake of teaching, I will tell you: “Once the throttle is cracked on, it is rolled on evenly, smoothly, and consistently throughout the remainder of the turn.”This is the golden rule of mid corner throttle control. And let me explain why: Your bike works by using centrifugal force using a gyroscopic effect when the wheels are spinning and the machine is under speed. Bascially, it wants to stay upright because the wheels create a force which keeps the bike standing. This is why the bike stays upright when it is actually tipped over during cornering. This force on the bike is controlled by the throttle. By reducing speed, you reduce the effect. Allowing the bike to slow allows it to lean, or fall over. Applying throttle stands the bike back up, because your enhancing the gyroscopic effect. Thus, when you are already leaned over, mid corner, you do NOT want to reduce the throttle. Because your already leaned over and reducing the throttle will cause the bike to fall over, usually leading to a crash because it overloads the front tire. The front tire only has a 40% traction limitation, while the rear has around 60%. This is due to the wheels differing in size. Most likely your rear is bigger, as it is on my bikes and both liter and sport bikes. So what does that mean? Continued in next reply so I don't lose this...
This means that during the corner, you want to have the weight of the bike on the back. What controls the weight? The throttle. So to properly set your lean angle for the corner, you should roll off and have it perfectly set AS FAR AS IT NEEDS TO GO right at the beginning of the turn (for lean angle) or as close to it, but before it as you can (for speed) You should not need to lean more mid corner -- the proper lean should already be set. However, if you do need to increase lean angle, this is where more 'advanced' techniques like trail breaking (not recommended for noobs) and body position come into effect (recommended to learn) So, back to the point. Don't roll off the throttle mid corner. It throws the weight on the front, possibly overwhelming the tires available 40%, and causes the bike to dramatically increase lean, requiring more traction from the front on top of the weight shift. Throttle control should be: Roll off, tip in, roll on to 10% or 15% throttle, whichever Is required so that your bike does not continue to slow its speed mid corner, complete the turn, find the exit, stand up the bike, roll on smoothly. I hope that makes sense.
ah ok, so its better to do any rolling off/braking before the turn, and setting up your lean angle etc? then just smoothly roll on the throttle for the turn
You definately don't want to be off the throttle when cornering. You want to aim for having a constant throttle so it doesn't upset the suspension. Then start to roll on as you're on/past the apex. Slow in fast out is the safest in my opinion and I still consider myself a noob.
i think what you said has also been mentioned in the video called twist of the wrist 👍
This rider stayed to the inside lane entering the curve and during the curve a lot. Not the way to do it. You should enter the curve in the outside lane of the three choices for better vision up the road.
Overall good work--I appreciated your on the bike demonstration of turn-in point and apex, and your definitions of a smooth corner. Also, you mentioned trail braking as well but didn't go into how to develop that skill and when it's appropriate, and I think that could be a useful video. I also think your words of caution about surprises in a corner was wise (the dog barking story was great). But I don't think doing a quick 130 blast is the best idea for new-rider oriented video. Newbs don't need any encouragement for excessive speed on public roads IMO.
Yes sir corners are not joke I got my license yesterday I drove my bike for the first time yesterday and the damn corner I fell I’m a ok though but the bike is wrecked
Great tips and beautiful scenery
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Very good tips. I will take note all of this as I am a new rider. (6-7 weeks i think) On a side note, may I know what kind of gloves are you using?
Here it says "Before entering the corner, you should (...) have the throttle (slightly) turned on." Do you agree?
which gloves are you using? they look sick
great video, gonna watch again, so to reiterate:
You roll off the throttle/brake before the turn, then you lean in TO turn, then you smoothly roll on the throttle?
Rolling off the throttle allows the front suspension to compress, allowing a larger contact patch from the front tire, allowing a quicker turn in rate and more traction.
The only time this is bad to do, is on gravel or surfaces with bad traction.
After rolling off, turn in as quick as possible, assuming you have good traction conditions.
As soon as you complete setting your lean angle to the desired lean angle you believe will allow you to make it completely through the entire corner, roll on to maintenance throttle to maintain your speed until you see the exit then begin to stand the bike up and roll on smoothly to whatever throttle you desire.
Any more questions feel free to ask. Thanks for the sub.
ah ok, so in order to tighten a turn, your better off rolling off the throttle provided traction and road conditions are good? In addition to providing a greater contact patch, rolling off would increase the lean angle yeah? Further tightening the turn?
Nope, though your thought process is right the bike actually behaves differently then anything your used to. Because rolling off a throttle mid turn is one of the most common newbie mistakes that lead to a quick crash.
What is throttle control rule #1? If you don't know then I encourage you to go read twist of the wrist II, the book. Or atleast watch the youtube video. However, for the sake of teaching, I will tell you:
“Once the throttle is cracked on, it is rolled on evenly, smoothly, and consistently throughout the remainder of the turn.”This is the golden rule of mid corner throttle control. And let me explain why:
Your bike works by using centrifugal force using a gyroscopic effect when the wheels are spinning and the machine is under speed. Bascially, it wants to stay upright because the wheels create a force which keeps the bike standing. This is why the bike stays upright when it is actually tipped over during cornering.
This force on the bike is controlled by the throttle. By reducing speed, you reduce the effect. Allowing the bike to slow allows it to lean, or fall over. Applying throttle stands the bike back up, because your enhancing the gyroscopic effect.
Thus, when you are already leaned over, mid corner, you do NOT want to reduce the throttle. Because your already leaned over and reducing the throttle will cause the bike to fall over, usually leading to a crash because it overloads the front tire.
The front tire only has a 40% traction limitation, while the rear has around 60%. This is due to the wheels differing in size. Most likely your rear is bigger, as it is on my bikes and both liter and sport bikes. So what does that mean?
Continued in next reply so I don't lose this...
This means that during the corner, you want to have the weight of the bike on the back. What controls the weight? The throttle. So to properly set your lean angle for the corner, you should roll off and have it perfectly set AS FAR AS IT NEEDS TO GO right at the beginning of the turn (for lean angle) or as close to it, but before it as you can (for speed)
You should not need to lean more mid corner -- the proper lean should already be set. However, if you do need to increase lean angle, this is where more 'advanced' techniques like trail breaking (not recommended for noobs) and body position come into effect (recommended to learn)
So, back to the point. Don't roll off the throttle mid corner. It throws the weight on the front, possibly overwhelming the tires available 40%, and causes the bike to dramatically increase lean, requiring more traction from the front on top of the weight shift.
Throttle control should be: Roll off, tip in, roll on to 10% or 15% throttle, whichever Is required so that your bike does not continue to slow its speed mid corner, complete the turn, find the exit, stand up the bike, roll on smoothly.
I hope that makes sense.
ah ok, so its better to do any rolling off/braking before the turn, and setting up your lean angle etc? then just smoothly roll on the throttle for the turn
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Nice set of videos, but you could make 'em shorter.