"I'm just here to bring you culture." Thank you! Leiber: I think you're right about his S&S tales being not read so much today as they should be. Glad you mentioned Imaro. These are really excellent. I haven't read anything by David Gemmel, but I keep hearing that he's very good and respected.
When I was a kid DAW published a great anthology called Amazons, edited by Jessica Amanda Salmonson, which focuses on women in S&S. It includes a story by Saunders, as well as other great stories by writers who should not be forgotten, including a very early work by the author who later became much more famous as Robin Hobb. The book includes a bibliography of works which are still worth reading for fans of the genre, including Joanna Russ, Elizabeth A. Lynn, C.J. Cherryh, and Tanith Lee. Salmonson herself wrote a series about an Asian-inspired fantasy setting. I recommend the book - the stories are great, and it shows how influential S&S has been in the whole fantasy scene.
When it comes to Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. Howard Chaykin and Mike Mignola’s comic book adaption. When it comes to Elric check out Titan books The Michael Moorcock library and the four Blondel comic book adaptions. Lastly the Dark Horse collection of DC’s collection of the early seventies adaptions.
Lin Carter's stories are very derivative even within this genre where the books and stories tend to be pretty similar to each other, but you read Lin Carter because he loved this stuff so devotedly, perhaps he loved it more than anybody else ever did. He's the guy who went around telling everybody how great these stories are and for his efforts and enthusiasm alone he deserves to be there among the giants, pastiche, controversies and all.
I was surprised to hear of the controversy about him. His Thongor series introduced me to sword and sorcery for the first time. So i thought he was a great s&s writer in all.
One writer I think should be on your list is TANITH LEE. She wrote some great sword and sorcery, horror and science fiction disguised as sword and sorcery.
Moorcock also wrote his own Mars series , very similar to Burroughs but not a ripoff, under the pseudonym Edward P. Bradbury (around 1966): Warriors of Mars, Blades of Mars, and Barbarians of Mars. I have only read the first one and I really enjoyed it. As soon as I find the second (I have the third), I will finish the series. Recommended.
Thank you for mentioning Charles Saunders now considered the Father of Sword and Soul . A fan actually tracked him down in Canada to get him to reprint the Imaro series . Please keep in mind the DAW paperback book one of Imaro has an entire large section expunged in later reprints at the request of Mr Saunders . My understanding is that he felt the expunged section was too close to the actual Rwanda genocide .
Coincidentally, I was looking for more s&s books since I had a good haul at a bookstore I visited the other day. Thankfully, I have a wise book reviewer to show me the good stuff! Also, in case you’re curious, I found books 1-5 of Thongor (just in time for this video!), the Leigh Brackett’s Eric John Stark trilogy, Time Slave and Gor books 1-3 and 5 by John Norman, Ancient My Enemy by Gordon R. Dickson, and Tarzan books 7, 10, and 12 This month is really great for my paperback collection!
New fan of yours Michael. Got new authors to explore from this. I've read all of Gemmell and was an incredible and entertaining author. My favorite character was Waylander from Gemmell but there was something for everyone there that likes Sword and or Sorcery. Huge fan of Kane Series and who hasn't read R E Howard. Conan was great as was most of his stuff but I was pleasantly surprised by his cowboy novels that were downright funny !
Despite some flaws, I am enjoying the 'Sunset Warrior' series by Eric Van Lustbader. Lustbader is known for his contemporary thrillers and his 'Ninja' series, but this series were his first books and his dip into sword and sorcery.
Man I remmember the Ninja novels my dad had in his book shelf I read them when I was around 13 to 14 yo and its erotisim shocked me. I certainly squeezed and yanked the goose a lot reading about Nicholas Linnear antics in the bedroom.
The most egregious omission must be Henry Kuttner's Elak of Atlantis; a series ably continued in recent years by Adrian Cole, who also gave us his excellent Voidal trilogy of books.
Love this genre, Mike. Will definitely get to some of the stuff I haven't read, after I finish getting to the other stuff I havent read from your other vids! Just started MR James. My edition started with Lovecraft's famous essay on weird fiction ... which was looooooong, but informative. Keep 'em comin!
Thank you for this video. Even though I’ve heard of (though not necessarily read) everyone except the last three, it’s nice to see a good rundown of the must-read authors of my favorite genre.
Excellent video. I read a little bit of sword and sorcery last you for FFS and I enjoyed the Howard and Lieber stories I read. I need to read more of them, as well as Michael Moorcock. Also, the Kane series sounds absolutely incredible.
Interesting you bring up Leiber after mentioning “Kull “ . Apparently back in the 60’s Leiber was approached to continue the Kull series . He turned it down to focus on gathering up and publishing the Nehwon series . Concerning Wagner and Kane …. Well hopefully good news .. it seems that Baen books might be re-reprinting the Kane series , so keep your fingers and toes crossed.
For a long time I've greatly appreciated Liam, you, and David Wiley as people I could discuss Appendix N writers and characters with in the video comments, etc. Great book recommendations, as always. I'm intrigued you didn't call it a "starter kit" like some of your other recent videos. Peace.
Some great recommendations, and some I’ve never heard of. I’ve been on the fence about Fritz Leiber. I have the first two Elric collections, and I’m going to start them next year.
I’ve read just about everything Robert E. Howard and Michael Moorcock have written. These guys are metal as hell. Some other sword and sorcery series I’ve enjoyed are… Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser Gotrek and Felix Tiger and Del Kane Legend of Drizzt Drenai Saga Vampire Hunter D Warrior Witch of Hel Jirel of Joiry Claymore and Berserk manga also scratch the same itch for me.
Cool. Jumped into Conan after viewing a few of your Robert E. Howard videos. Having a good time so far and it's been fun tracking the lancer books down(wanted to try Conan stories chronologically). Been eyeing some of the other authors on this list particularly Karl Edward Wagner but being relatively new to fantasy I figured it best to start with Howard. Great video!
I don't know how long I been watching book tubers but I rarely try the many recommendations because of the thick book and multi-volume that people devour today when it comes to sword and sorcery stuff. I am realizing watching this that pretty much graphic novels and horror are what I have picked up based on recommendations which was one of the things I turned to book tube to stop doing. Between this and the last sci-fi vid I am seeing lots of interesting stuff that can hopefully fit in once I finish the things on my current tbr along with Edge. Thanks Michael!
Geez, don’t scare me like that! Happy to see you again. - This batch of books are really great recommendations! We need the Eternal Champion to reappear on Earth! I’ve added Imaro to my TBR.
Sorry. I had to take my old dog, Pumpsie, to the emergency vet clinic early this morning and was there for hours. Turns out she has vestibular syndrome and is very dizzy.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 Oh no! That can be very scary if you haven’t had a dog who’s been through it before! Sending hugs for Pumpsie! 🤗 Hope she feels better soon.
If I somehow ever become famous or influential I’m gonna mention your channel in every interview and make sure you have millions of subscribers . I watch quite a few book tubers , but you are hands down the best sir . I raise my chalice of mead and battle axes to you and tip my horned helmet .
Thongor was fun, Carter said it was his combination of John Carter of Mars and Conan, and it does capture those books. Great video, Michael, i would also add Elak of Atlantis, the first book i published under my Gryphon Books imprint way back in 1985. I have read all the books you mentioned, except the Leibers, don’t know why, and the Gemell , Legend, which i am looking forward to reading soon. Thanks for the fun video, was like a walk down s&s memory lane.
Thanks for this. I've been meaning to read more S&S for years. I read some of the Elric books a while ago, and I love listening to the album _The Armor of Ire_ by the band Eternal Champion.
Hopefully Wiskey will suffice - I'll put it in a horn though. :D Found a complete Jirel of Joiry the other day, so I'm excited to give fem-forties-fantasy-pulp a try - it's only 5 shorts, so it'll be quite manageable. I never heard of Imaro or Charles Saunders - here I was thinking Rage of Dragons and Black Leopard, Red Wolf was something new, but I guess it's just their rapid success that's new. Seems Saunders was able to finish a 30 years later cliffhanger with a book 4 in 2009, and some Imaro short stories shortly before his death, so hopefully people are noticing him.
I think sword & sorcery in general is pretty hit or miss, and I tend to attribute that to short stories sometimes being difficult to immerse yourself in. By the time you get accustomed to the characters and setting, the story is already over. That's been my recurring issue anyway, but I still love Conan, and Solomon Kane has inspired my own stories (I'm a writer btw). I know "The Witcher" is a ripoff of Elric of Melnibone, but I did enjoy the short story collection "The Last Wish", mainly because it was Gerald thrown into European fairy tales, and that was fun. Some of the old D&D novels are pretty underrated in my opinion, with "Azure Bonds" and "Elfshadow" both being pretty good. Older D&D kinda walks the line between high fantasy and sword & sorcery since the inspiration was much more the latter but became the former overtime. Great video as always. This channel has pretty much been my gateway to a lot of classic pulp.
I completely disagree that the Witcher series is a ripoff of Elric, though I will completely concede that the author took clear inspiration from Moorcock's work (despite denying it). When it comes to Elric and Geralt, aside from some very surface level details such as Geralt clearly being visually lifted from Elric (though the similarities only go so far as having white hair and using swords), the two characters are nothing alike in any way whatsoever in regards to their appearance, personality, and character. I would say the only egregious copies from Moorcock are Geralt sometimes being referred to as the White Wolf, which is just a nickname he gets because he belongs to the Wolf School of Witchers and his hair is white from mutations he received as a child in training, and the Conjunction of Spheres, which in the Witcher novels is event only mentioned a handful of times and is just window dressing, so it's easy to give it a pass. The two works as a whole are so demonstrably different from each other that it's hard to even compare the two apart from the very surface level details that are easily picked apart when the text is actually read - Elric is an epic, high fantasy, sword and sorcery saga while the Witcher is a very grounded, realistic and character driven story (where Geralt isn't even the "main character"). I didn't mean to suddenly jump in out of nowhere and write a thesis defending the books, but it does irk me when people make that claim when just reading the books disproves it entirely (unless one goes in with a bias to try and prove it's a ripoff, which at that point any detail will appear to be plagiarism). If you enjoyed The Last Wish then give Sword of Destiny a read. It's the second short story collection that starts off with fun romps through eastern European fairy tales and ends with some real exploration of the characters in the world, and leads into the novels (which are a bit more dry at the start, but still a solid read, albeit not very sword and sorcery and more just straight pulp - Baptism of Fire and Season of Storms are just fun shenanigans). As much as I do enjoy the Witcher books I would not compare them to Elric, which isn't to say the Witcher is poorly written. The Elric Saga is a masterclass of sword and sorcery and Moorcock's writing is pure elegance that should be experienced by any who enjoy fantasy, and very few works can compare to it. I don't whether people would consider them sword and sorcery, but the original Dragonlance Trilogy of D&D books is a fun romp, though I feel that's mostly because it just feels like you're reading a group's D&D campaign. I highly recommend them to anyone that just wants fun, light reading with a fantasy flair
@@lbpews9919couldn‘t agree more with what you said about Elric vs The Witcher. While the inspiration Elric had on Geralt is clear with certain details, the works as a whole are simply too different to call it a knock-off. Sucks though that Sapkowski seems to get defensive on this topic.
I would say that Vance was more a general fantasy writer than one in the specific sword and sorcery subgenre, but I guess the border between those two are sometimes blurry. I wouldn't have called Elric sword and sorcery either, truth to be told. They seem to me quite the traditional fantasy. Dying earth tough, and yeah, specifically the two Cugel books, are a must.
I've never heard of sword and sorcery before but these books seem pretty cool. I might check some of these out as swordfighting is something I find really cool and enjoy.
in Brazil we also have great stories of sword and sorcery the ones I remember are, the black dog of clonthaf, the swordsman of coal and Brakan. I hope all these stories and many more are published around the world.
Brian Lumley's Tarra H'Rossak series is one of the best S&S series I have ever read. I should also recommend The Tritonian Ring by de Camp--it is hilarious and filled with adventure and intrigue. I would also be remiss if I didn't toss in Kuttner's Elak of Atlantis series--humurous and plenty of daring-do (the great Adrian Cole has written a follow-up series which I am getting ready to read about Elak as King!)
Great video! Assume you’re doing a separate one on John Norman? Looks like the Saunders books aren’t available on kindle over here which sucks. I read a story of his in an anthology recently and really liked it.
I'm making a list of fiction to get through, and I've added several of these to the list now. I wanted to mention The Night Lands, by Hodgson. I don't know if it strictly qualifies as S&S, but if Carpenter can make the list, why not. I've not yet red The Night Land myself, but the novelty of something that bizarre/sci-fi being written in 1912 is sufficient enough to fascinate me.
I've never read either but characters Jongor by Robert Moore Williams and Kyrik by Gardner F. Fox come to mind. I think I have some of these volumes but I have other S & S queued up to read first. Thanks for the review.
So far I think this is my favorite video of yours, Michael! Sword and sorcery is also my favorite genre and it’s just awesome to see someone give it the acknowledgment it deserves when there are so many who do not. Just curious, but do you by chance listen to any heavy metal at all? I ask because so much of the music is based on sword and sorcery.
John Norman’s Gor series. They were of questionable literary quality, but he managed to write a LOT of books in the series. I only mention them because they were one of the first fantasy series I ever read.
Great stuff. I recently finished Legend and was thinking throughout the video that it definitely needed a shoutout ;) Can you believe I haven't read a single Conan novel? I think I was scarred by the Arnold movie. I may have to remedy this.
Interestingly the book trader I go to says Micheal moorcock lived upstairs at his old house..and he’d hear him typing away on his type writer…. I’m currently reading leibers swords and devilry.
I was hoping you would mention Fritz Leiber! I love those stories so much. A more modern author is Joe Abercrombie. _The Blade Itself_ feels spawned, wholly formed, from Sword and Sorcery.
C S Friedman's cold fire trilogy might be good for a sword and sorcery fan. It is set in a world that could be Altair from Forbidden Planet but 20 generations later and instead of a machine that makes psychic energy solid it is various forms of energy fields produced by the planet. In order to survive on a planet where random thoughts shape reality the society has regressed back to a medieval model controlled by a central church. The church members are as devote as any but the reason for the church rather than religion is instead to create a universally accepted narrative so as to set the nature of reality on the planet. Due to thought affecting reality in this world machines and mechanical devices are all but non existant as thinking something might fail is enough to make it fail. One of the interesting things is also the fact the main hostile alien species in the series did not exist as intelligent beings before the humans arrived and in fact the planet had no sentient life at all. It was the humans fear of hostile intelligent life that warped the animals into what was feared by the colonists. They even have a church leader who was changed by a demon and bound to it even though the idea of the demon was invented by that church leader while making the religion. There is a good deal of sorcery in the series as well in the form of individuals harnessing this power for their own ends. You follow a brother Paul type monk in the series the standard good guy outsider on the hero's journey but instead of the hero and their companions fighting the big bad dark lord at the end the dark lord is his traveling companion and one of the protagonists of the story.
Great list. I"d recommend all these authors but I also think they are wildly uneven in quality. REH and C.L. Moore are probably the most consistent. Fritz Leiber wrote some stories as good as any one you could name (and I mean anyone) and some that were awful. I'd recommend Swords against Death as one of the strongest S&S collections, but his final Fafhrd and The Gray Mouser story "Mouser goes Below" was just awful. So you have to take the good with the bad. That said the good is very good.
It's a fun genre which few, if any, authors seem to be writing nowadays. Any theories as to why? Scrolling through the S&S bestsellers in the Kindle Store you'll see a lot of self-published stuff, which is fine, but pretty much all of it would not qualify as S&S. Are today's S&S authors being crowded out by miscategorized non-S&S books?
The trend in fantasy has definitely gone to the epic, gigantic, high fantasy books that have done so well in the wake of Game of Thrones. S&S definitely seems to get less respect or interest.
If anyone has ever been fifteen and in a used book store, with a pocket full of change, they have read some of these books. I just now picked up The Best of C.L. Moore with a pink sticker that says $.25. I aways wonder how you know so much.
I think one of the things that makes Steven Erikson’s Malazan series so different from other epic fantasy is that it reads like tight sword and sorcery expanded to its’ most epic proportions. I believe you had started reading the series and I’d be curious to know if you agree. Aside from that, modern fantasy seems sadly lacking in S&S, unfortunately.
Can't argue with any of your recommendations, such a great group of authors. Moorcock coined the contemporary meaning of the word multiverse, so came before DC's version, though they did ask him to come up with an explanation for their multiverse at one point. Wagner also did a Kane/Elric crossover.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 I'm just starting the 4th. Nice adventure/sword & sorcery with just a pinch of humor. BTW have you read any Ed Brubaker. His crime stuff is great. Got me reading comics again after decades.
Sadly the Kane books are quite difficult to find cheaply. The Mouser and Imaro series sound interesting. Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series (the first 3 anyway) are pretty good but he's getting cancelled, so you better read it before it gets difficult to find.
If we’re giving a lot of weight to influence on the genre, I think Margaret Weis & Tracey Hickman would need to be included on a S&S list like this. Not as old as some of these others, but certainly pre-dated a lot by first hitting the scene in the mid-1980’s with their first DragonLance novels. Like them or not, it’s hard to deny their influence on S&S, with the DragonLance universe alone racking up nearly 200 books and roping in countless authors. Plus, their books are just plain fun 😊
Do the Gor novels by John Norman qualify as S&S? I read a bunch of those 35-40 years ago . I enjoyed them , but, they did get seriously knocked as being feminist. Probably rightly so , but, beyond that they were a lot of fun to read.
I get the impression that today’s fantasy readers don’t go for books with covers depicting barrel-chested heroes with bloodied swords. It’s too intimidating. 😂 They prefer “strong female characters” and their clever friends who go on a quest together and no ever gets their skull split to the teeth. 😂
I love Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. You're right, Fritz Lieber is sadly underrated. Fun fact: he coined the term Sword and Sorcery.
Yes, and I meant to talk about that in the video! Oh well, at least you remembered for me! Thanks!
"I'm just here to bring you culture." Thank you!
Leiber: I think you're right about his S&S tales being not read so much today as they should be.
Glad you mentioned Imaro. These are really excellent.
I haven't read anything by David Gemmel, but I keep hearing that he's very good and respected.
When I was a kid DAW published a great anthology called Amazons, edited by Jessica Amanda Salmonson, which focuses on women in S&S. It includes a story by Saunders, as well as other great stories by writers who should not be forgotten, including a very early work by the author who later became much more famous as Robin Hobb. The book includes a bibliography of works which are still worth reading for fans of the genre, including Joanna Russ, Elizabeth A. Lynn, C.J. Cherryh, and Tanith Lee. Salmonson herself wrote a series about an Asian-inspired fantasy setting. I recommend the book - the stories are great, and it shows how influential S&S has been in the whole fantasy scene.
When it comes to Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser. Howard Chaykin and Mike Mignola’s comic book adaption. When it comes to Elric check out Titan books The Michael Moorcock library and the four Blondel comic book adaptions. Lastly the Dark Horse collection of DC’s collection of the early seventies adaptions.
Thanks!
Lin Carter's stories are very derivative even within this genre where the books and stories tend to be pretty similar to each other, but you read Lin Carter because he loved this stuff so devotedly, perhaps he loved it more than anybody else ever did. He's the guy who went around telling everybody how great these stories are and for his efforts and enthusiasm alone he deserves to be there among the giants, pastiche, controversies and all.
You make a good point.
I was surprised to hear of the controversy about him. His Thongor series introduced me to sword and sorcery for the first time. So i thought he was a great s&s writer in all.
One writer I think should be on your list is TANITH LEE. She wrote some great sword and sorcery, horror and science fiction disguised as sword and sorcery.
Good recommendation!
That cover with Imaro riding the rhino is one of the best fantasy paperback covers I've ever seen.
Genuinely grinned from ear to ear when your thumbnail appeared. Always like my day to include a new MKV video and this is an awesome idea for one.
Thanks! Now if only I had some mead!
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 haha I bought some in Wales when I went in August
Moorcock also wrote his own Mars series , very similar to Burroughs but not a ripoff, under the pseudonym Edward P. Bradbury (around 1966): Warriors of Mars, Blades of Mars, and Barbarians of Mars. I have only read the first one and I really enjoyed it. As soon as I find the second (I have the third), I will finish the series. Recommended.
I still need to get the third book in that series as well.
Thank you for mentioning Charles Saunders now considered the Father of Sword and Soul . A fan actually tracked him down in Canada to get him to reprint the Imaro series . Please keep in mind the DAW paperback book one of Imaro has an entire large section expunged in later reprints at the request of Mr Saunders . My understanding is that he felt the expunged section was too close to the actual Rwanda genocide .
Hi do u own any of these reprinted books? I’m missing the naama war and the dossouye books. Willing to pay a great amount.
Coincidentally, I was looking for more s&s books since I had a good haul at a bookstore I visited the other day. Thankfully, I have a wise book reviewer to show me the good stuff!
Also, in case you’re curious, I found books 1-5 of Thongor (just in time for this video!), the Leigh Brackett’s Eric John Stark trilogy, Time Slave and Gor books 1-3 and 5 by John Norman, Ancient My Enemy by Gordon R. Dickson, and Tarzan books 7, 10, and 12
This month is really great for my paperback collection!
What a great bunch of books!
New fan of yours Michael. Got new authors to explore from this. I've read all of Gemmell and was an incredible and entertaining author. My favorite character was Waylander from Gemmell but there was something for everyone there that likes Sword and or Sorcery.
Huge fan of Kane Series and who hasn't read R E Howard. Conan was great as was most of his stuff but I was pleasantly surprised by his cowboy novels that were downright funny !
Despite some flaws, I am enjoying the 'Sunset Warrior' series by Eric Van Lustbader. Lustbader is known for his contemporary thrillers and his 'Ninja' series, but this series were his first books and his dip into sword and sorcery.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Man I remmember the Ninja novels my dad had in his book shelf I read them when I was around 13 to 14 yo and its erotisim shocked me. I certainly squeezed and yanked the goose a lot reading about Nicholas Linnear antics in the bedroom.
The most egregious omission must be Henry Kuttner's Elak of Atlantis; a series ably continued in recent years by Adrian Cole, who also gave us his excellent Voidal trilogy of books.
You are right, that is egregious.
Fascinating! 👍 video Mike. I have a few of those on my TBR shelf..!
Love this genre, Mike. Will definitely get to some of the stuff I haven't read, after I finish getting to the other stuff I havent read from your other vids! Just started MR James. My edition started with Lovecraft's famous essay on weird fiction ... which was looooooong, but informative. Keep 'em comin!
Thank you for this video. Even though I’ve heard of (though not necessarily read) everyone except the last three, it’s nice to see a good rundown of the must-read authors of my favorite genre.
Excellent video. I read a little bit of sword and sorcery last you for FFS and I enjoyed the Howard and Lieber stories I read. I need to read more of them, as well as Michael Moorcock. Also, the Kane series sounds absolutely incredible.
It is!
Interesting you bring up Leiber after mentioning “Kull “ . Apparently back in the 60’s Leiber was approached to continue the Kull series . He turned it down to focus on gathering up and publishing the Nehwon series . Concerning Wagner and Kane …. Well hopefully good news .. it seems that Baen books might be re-reprinting the Kane series , so keep your fingers and toes crossed.
Charles Saunders is criminally underead. Imaro is absolutely brilliant Sword and Sorcery.
Love your channel and you and of course your STATELY MANOR. Also its awesome you shoute out Liam! Him and his channel are doing the lord of wars work!
Thanks! Liam is the best.
For a long time I've greatly appreciated Liam, you, and David Wiley as people I could discuss Appendix N writers and characters with in the video comments, etc. Great book recommendations, as always. I'm intrigued you didn't call it a "starter kit" like some of your other recent videos. Peace.
I was genuinely afraid you were going to try and hold the candle for the entire video! 😂
Thanks, Mike. Nice detailed video.
Some great recommendations, and some I’ve never heard of. I’ve been on the fence about Fritz Leiber. I have the first two Elric collections, and I’m going to start them next year.
I’ve read just about everything Robert E. Howard and Michael Moorcock have written. These guys are metal as hell.
Some other sword and sorcery series I’ve enjoyed are…
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Gotrek and Felix
Tiger and Del
Kane
Legend of Drizzt
Drenai Saga
Vampire Hunter D
Warrior Witch of Hel
Jirel of Joiry
Claymore and Berserk manga also scratch the same itch for me.
I keep hearing I have to read Vampire Hunter D
Cool. Jumped into Conan after viewing a few of your Robert E. Howard videos. Having a good time so far and it's been fun tracking the lancer books down(wanted to try Conan stories chronologically). Been eyeing some of the other authors on this list particularly Karl Edward Wagner but being relatively new to fantasy I figured it best to start with Howard. Great video!
I don't know how long I been watching book tubers but I rarely try the many recommendations because of the thick book and multi-volume that people devour today when it comes to sword and sorcery stuff.
I am realizing watching this that pretty much graphic novels and horror are what I have picked up based on recommendations which was one of the things I turned to book tube to stop doing. Between this and the last sci-fi vid I am seeing lots of interesting stuff that can hopefully fit in once I finish the things on my current tbr along with Edge. Thanks Michael!
Geez, don’t scare me like that! Happy to see you again. - This batch of books are really great recommendations! We need the Eternal Champion to reappear on Earth! I’ve added Imaro to my TBR.
Sorry. I had to take my old dog, Pumpsie, to the emergency vet clinic early this morning and was there for hours. Turns out she has vestibular syndrome and is very dizzy.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 Oh no! That can be very scary if you haven’t had a dog who’s been through it before! Sending hugs for Pumpsie! 🤗 Hope she feels better soon.
I read almost all The Eternal Champion novel in high school. I wished I hadn’t unhauled them.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 Best wishes for your dog.
If I somehow ever become famous or influential I’m gonna mention your channel in every interview and make sure you have millions of subscribers . I watch quite a few book tubers , but you are hands down the best sir . I raise my chalice of mead and battle axes to you and tip my horned helmet .
Thanks!
An outstanding list of authors. I had never heard of Imaro though. So of course I had to immediately order it. Thanks a lot.
You are very welcome.
Thongor was fun, Carter said it was his combination of John Carter of Mars and Conan, and it does capture those books. Great video, Michael, i would also add Elak of Atlantis, the first book i published under my Gryphon Books imprint way back in 1985. I have read all the books you mentioned, except the Leibers, don’t know why, and the Gemell , Legend, which i am looking forward to reading soon. Thanks for the fun video, was like a walk down s&s memory lane.
I really should have mentioned Elak!
Thanks for this. I've been meaning to read more S&S for years. I read some of the Elric books a while ago, and I love listening to the album _The Armor of Ire_ by the band Eternal Champion.
Hopefully Wiskey will suffice - I'll put it in a horn though. :D
Found a complete Jirel of Joiry the other day, so I'm excited to give fem-forties-fantasy-pulp a try - it's only 5 shorts, so it'll be quite manageable.
I never heard of Imaro or Charles Saunders - here I was thinking Rage of Dragons and Black Leopard, Red Wolf was something new, but I guess it's just their rapid success that's new. Seems Saunders was able to finish a 30 years later cliffhanger with a book 4 in 2009, and some Imaro short stories shortly before his death, so hopefully people are noticing him.
I hope so too.
I think sword & sorcery in general is pretty hit or miss, and I tend to attribute that to short stories sometimes being difficult to immerse yourself in. By the time you get accustomed to the characters and setting, the story is already over. That's been my recurring issue anyway, but I still love Conan, and Solomon Kane has inspired my own stories (I'm a writer btw). I know "The Witcher" is a ripoff of Elric of Melnibone, but I did enjoy the short story collection "The Last Wish", mainly because it was Gerald thrown into European fairy tales, and that was fun. Some of the old D&D novels are pretty underrated in my opinion, with "Azure Bonds" and "Elfshadow" both being pretty good. Older D&D kinda walks the line between high fantasy and sword & sorcery since the inspiration was much more the latter but became the former overtime. Great video as always. This channel has pretty much been my gateway to a lot of classic pulp.
I completely disagree that the Witcher series is a ripoff of Elric, though I will completely concede that the author took clear inspiration from Moorcock's work (despite denying it). When it comes to Elric and Geralt, aside from some very surface level details such as Geralt clearly being visually lifted from Elric (though the similarities only go so far as having white hair and using swords), the two characters are nothing alike in any way whatsoever in regards to their appearance, personality, and character. I would say the only egregious copies from Moorcock are Geralt sometimes being referred to as the White Wolf, which is just a nickname he gets because he belongs to the Wolf School of Witchers and his hair is white from mutations he received as a child in training, and the Conjunction of Spheres, which in the Witcher novels is event only mentioned a handful of times and is just window dressing, so it's easy to give it a pass. The two works as a whole are so demonstrably different from each other that it's hard to even compare the two apart from the very surface level details that are easily picked apart when the text is actually read - Elric is an epic, high fantasy, sword and sorcery saga while the Witcher is a very grounded, realistic and character driven story (where Geralt isn't even the "main character").
I didn't mean to suddenly jump in out of nowhere and write a thesis defending the books, but it does irk me when people make that claim when just reading the books disproves it entirely (unless one goes in with a bias to try and prove it's a ripoff, which at that point any detail will appear to be plagiarism). If you enjoyed The Last Wish then give Sword of Destiny a read. It's the second short story collection that starts off with fun romps through eastern European fairy tales and ends with some real exploration of the characters in the world, and leads into the novels (which are a bit more dry at the start, but still a solid read, albeit not very sword and sorcery and more just straight pulp - Baptism of Fire and Season of Storms are just fun shenanigans). As much as I do enjoy the Witcher books I would not compare them to Elric, which isn't to say the Witcher is poorly written. The Elric Saga is a masterclass of sword and sorcery and Moorcock's writing is pure elegance that should be experienced by any who enjoy fantasy, and very few works can compare to it.
I don't whether people would consider them sword and sorcery, but the original Dragonlance Trilogy of D&D books is a fun romp, though I feel that's mostly because it just feels like you're reading a group's D&D campaign. I highly recommend them to anyone that just wants fun, light reading with a fantasy flair
@@lbpews9919couldn‘t agree more with what you said about Elric vs The Witcher. While the inspiration Elric had on Geralt is clear with certain details, the works as a whole are simply too different to call it a knock-off. Sucks though that Sapkowski seems to get defensive on this topic.
thanks for the recs!
Of course!!
I’d recommend both Michael Shea’s Nifft the Lean Trilogy and Jack Vance’s Dying Earth series, specifically the Cugel the Clever books.
Thanks for the recommendation!
I would say that Vance was more a general fantasy writer than one in the specific sword and sorcery subgenre, but I guess the border between those two are sometimes blurry. I wouldn't have called Elric sword and sorcery either, truth to be told. They seem to me quite the traditional fantasy. Dying earth tough, and yeah, specifically the two Cugel books, are a must.
I've never heard of sword and sorcery before but these books seem pretty cool. I might check some of these out as swordfighting is something I find really cool and enjoy.
Thanks Mike! I needed some culture!
1:32 this made me laugh out loud 😂
Great one. Big S&S fan. Love Howard and the others. Never read David Gemel.
in Brazil we also have great stories of sword and sorcery the ones I remember are, the black dog of clonthaf, the swordsman of coal and Brakan. I hope all these stories and many more are published around the world.
Excellent recommendations! Very interested in Wagner’s Kane but it’s difficult to find physical copies of those books 😢
I gave this vid a thumbs up when he said he’s thinking of starting drinking
Brian Lumley's Tarra H'Rossak series is one of the best S&S series I have ever read. I should also recommend The Tritonian Ring by de Camp--it is hilarious and filled with adventure and intrigue. I would also be remiss if I didn't toss in Kuttner's Elak of Atlantis series--humurous and plenty of daring-do (the great Adrian Cole has written a follow-up series which I am getting ready to read about Elak as King!)
Great video! Assume you’re doing a separate one on John Norman?
Looks like the Saunders books aren’t available on kindle over here which sucks. I read a story of his in an anthology recently and really liked it.
That does suck about Saunders. His books are tough to get otherwise. And of course you are the John Norman expert!
Should've brought up my man Nifft the Lean!! 💅
I'm making a list of fiction to get through, and I've added several of these to the list now.
I wanted to mention The Night Lands, by Hodgson. I don't know if it strictly qualifies as S&S, but if Carpenter can make the list, why not. I've not yet red The Night Land myself, but the novelty of something that bizarre/sci-fi being written in 1912 is sufficient enough to fascinate me.
I've never read either but characters Jongor by Robert Moore Williams and Kyrik by Gardner F. Fox come to mind. I think I have some of these volumes but I have other S & S queued up to read first.
Thanks for the review.
So far I think this is my favorite video of yours, Michael! Sword and sorcery is also my favorite genre and it’s just awesome to see someone give it the acknowledgment it deserves when there are so many who do not. Just curious, but do you by chance listen to any heavy metal at all? I ask because so much of the music is based on sword and sorcery.
I have listened to my share of Iron Maiden.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 That’s awesome! Love to hear it! Give Manowar a listen sometime. It’s pure Conan-metal.
John Norman’s Gor series. They were of questionable literary quality, but he managed to write a LOT of books in the series. I only mention them because they were one of the first fantasy series I ever read.
Michael, with your help I found the book, "Cross Country," by Herbert Kastle, thanks.
The Kane stories are OOP last time I saw. If you find one grab it.
Great stuff. I recently finished Legend and was thinking throughout the video that it definitely needed a shoutout ;) Can you believe I haven't read a single Conan novel? I think I was scarred by the Arnold movie. I may have to remedy this.
Definitely! The real Conan isn’t in those movies.
I’m thinking of starting drinking, too.😆😆😆😉
I like this video
Had a Beer today 🍺🍻🍺🍻🍺.....my spirit knew.
Glen Cook, Black Company series (first 3 books)
Drinking mead is always a good idea, lol. But these are great recommendations!
I wouldn’t even know where to get mead.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 Renaissance Festival is usually where I get it. Though most alcohol stores have some, I think.
Awesome!
Thanks James!
Surprised that Eddings does not feature for either his Belgarion series, or the Sir Sparhawk series.
Interestingly the book trader I go to says Micheal moorcock lived upstairs at his old house..and he’d hear him typing away on his type writer…. I’m currently reading leibers swords and devilry.
Walter Dean Meyers Legend of Tarik. Excellent YA sword & sorcery.
If you start drinking don't forget Roger. He has been of such great service to the Von Manor. It would be very ungentlemanly for Roger to miss out.
Nice Moorcock mention.
Rock on! 🤘
I was hoping you would mention Fritz Leiber! I love those stories so much. A more modern author is Joe Abercrombie. _The Blade Itself_ feels spawned, wholly formed, from Sword and Sorcery.
Make video about elric or other michael moorcock stuff pleaseee
I need to do more on Moorcock.
If you like sword and sorcery with a bit of witty humor Robert Asprin, Glen Cook, Lawrence Watt-evans, Glen Cook, and the late L. sprague De camp.
C S Friedman's cold fire trilogy might be good for a sword and sorcery fan.
It is set in a world that could be Altair from Forbidden Planet but 20 generations later and instead of a machine that makes psychic energy solid it is various forms of energy fields produced by the planet.
In order to survive on a planet where random thoughts shape reality the society has regressed back to a medieval model controlled by a central church.
The church members are as devote as any but the reason for the church rather than religion is instead to create a universally accepted narrative so as to set the nature of reality on the planet.
Due to thought affecting reality in this world machines and mechanical devices are all but non existant as thinking something might fail is enough to make it fail.
One of the interesting things is also the fact the main hostile alien species in the series did not exist as intelligent beings before the humans arrived and in fact the planet had no sentient life at all.
It was the humans fear of hostile intelligent life that warped the animals into what was feared by the colonists.
They even have a church leader who was changed by a demon and bound to it even though the idea of the demon was invented by that church leader while making the religion.
There is a good deal of sorcery in the series as well in the form of individuals harnessing this power for their own ends.
You follow a brother Paul type monk in the series the standard good guy outsider on the hero's journey but instead of the hero and their companions fighting the big bad dark lord at the end the dark lord is his traveling companion and one of the protagonists of the story.
Not familiar with Saunders. Gunna check him out RIGHT NOW!
Careful what you say about Fritz's work the snow women may be listening.
Nift the Lean!!
I'm a big fan of Brian Murphy's flexible definition of S&S. Have you read his book "Flame & Crimson: A History of Sword & Sorcery"?
Not yet.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 Aw, it's GREAT stuff. I can't recommend it highly enough, and I bet there's a good video to be had in talking about it.
Great list.
I"d recommend all these authors but I also think they are wildly uneven in quality. REH and C.L. Moore are probably the most consistent. Fritz Leiber wrote some stories as good as any one you could name (and I mean anyone) and some that were awful. I'd recommend Swords against Death as one of the strongest S&S collections, but his final Fafhrd and The Gray Mouser story "Mouser goes Below" was just awful.
So you have to take the good with the bad. That said the good is very good.
I'm sorry, but i can't see the name "Brak" and not think of the Space Ghost character.
Well done! Huzzah!
I wish you'd have mentioned Make Wade Wellman's Hok and Kardios
I should have.
It's no big deal. I'm just a big Wellman buff. Keep up the good work!
It's a fun genre which few, if any, authors seem to be writing nowadays. Any theories as to why? Scrolling through the S&S bestsellers in the Kindle Store you'll see a lot of self-published stuff, which is fine, but pretty much all of it would not qualify as S&S. Are today's S&S authors being crowded out by miscategorized non-S&S books?
The trend in fantasy has definitely gone to the epic, gigantic, high fantasy books that have done so well in the wake of Game of Thrones. S&S definitely seems to get less respect or interest.
If anyone has ever been fifteen and in a used book store, with a pocket full of change, they have read some of these books. I just now picked up The Best of C.L. Moore with a pink sticker that says $.25. I aways wonder how you know so much.
I’m just old and read every day. That’s all it takes!
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 If your old, you're hiding it well.
I think one of the things that makes Steven Erikson’s Malazan series so different from other epic fantasy is that it reads like tight sword and sorcery expanded to its’ most epic proportions. I believe you had started reading the series and I’d be curious to know if you agree. Aside from that, modern fantasy seems sadly lacking in S&S, unfortunately.
There is a very strong element of S&S in Malazan, definitely.
Can't argue with any of your recommendations, such a great group of authors.
Moorcock coined the contemporary meaning of the word multiverse, so came before DC's version, though they did ask him to come up with an explanation for their multiverse at one point. Wagner also did a Kane/Elric crossover.
Have you read Warbreaker? What did you think of it?
I haven’t. Not yet anyway.
You might try the Greatcoats series by Sebastien de Castell. I'm currently on the 4th and currently last book of the series. It's a fun series.
I’ve read the first two Greatcoats books so far. I really enjoyed them.
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 I'm just starting the 4th. Nice adventure/sword & sorcery with just a pinch of humor. BTW have you read any Ed Brubaker. His crime stuff is great. Got me reading comics again after decades.
I am surprised at how good the Imaro novels are. On their own the books are just great sword and sorcery novels.
Yeah, those really need to be reprinted.
No Wicher by Andrzej Sapkowski !
I do like those books.
The Corum novels are superb, but that cover's not right.
Sadly the Kane books are quite difficult to find cheaply. The Mouser and Imaro series sound interesting. Stephen Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series (the first 3 anyway) are pretty good but he's getting cancelled, so you better read it before it gets difficult to find.
I wouldn't classify Thomas Covenant as Sword & Sorcery but rather as Epic Fantasy or High Fantasy (a la The Lord of the Rings).
@@Steve_Stowers Oh ok. I tend to lump it all together, but I was wondering why there was no LotR in his list 😂
I have the first two Covenant trilogies, safe and sound.
If we’re giving a lot of weight to influence on the genre, I think Margaret Weis & Tracey Hickman would need to be included on a S&S list like this. Not as old as some of these others, but certainly pre-dated a lot by first hitting the scene in the mid-1980’s with their first DragonLance novels. Like them or not, it’s hard to deny their influence on S&S, with the DragonLance universe alone racking up nearly 200 books and roping in countless authors. Plus, their books are just plain fun 😊
I agree that Dragonlance has an important place in S&S history.
Do the Gor novels by John Norman qualify as S&S? I read a bunch of those 35-40 years ago . I enjoyed them , but, they did get seriously knocked as being feminist. Probably rightly so , but, beyond that they were a lot of fun to read.
They are more sword and planet in the tradition of John Carter. Close though.
I get the impression that today’s fantasy readers don’t go for books with covers depicting barrel-chested heroes with bloodied swords. It’s too intimidating. 😂 They prefer “strong female characters” and their clever friends who go on a quest together and no ever gets their skull split to the teeth. 😂
No one gets their skull split to the teeth? And they call that entertainment?
I disagree with you big time about Elric being greatly written. But as an idea or concept, yes, it’s brilliant
You risk the wrath of Arioch with such mad talk!
@@michaelk.vaughan8617 I'm safe behind the walls of Tanelorn
@Cerulean how so?