Kieran will have his totalitarian anger streak in Indigo Disk but his heart will be healed in the end. Kieran’s a likable character. Gamefreak will give the siblings a happy ending.
7:22 oh dear god no, I didn’t even think of that, but it would make sense. Glimmora is like a flower, and most kinds of fruit initially start as flowers. So this new Pokémon could be a Glimmora that “ripened”, for lack of a better word, maybe with Terapagos’ power.
With the reversal of the story making the loyal 3 evil and the ofer the good guy, imagine instead of a boy being born from a peach, its a peach reborn from a boy. Dokutaro using its ghostly and toxic influence to absorb Kierans energy, emphasising his toxic traits, enhancing his rage, pushing forward his spite, and absorbing the life out of him, in an effort to become stronger and rebirth itself from that anger and wanting. Dokutaro isnt controlling Kieran, its using him as a feasting ground in a hope to revive/strengthen/ immortalise itself and reconnect to the loyal 3.
And I will beat him. I mean, he was a little more difficult in part 2. But he honestly wasn't that hard for me to beat him. After I beat him He literally started like going insane. Just imagine you working so hard. And then all of that hard work goes down the drain😂😂
I wonder why nobody ever talks about the clear connection between Kieran's hair color scheme and toxic chains/dokutaro. He might be under the influence of some evil pokemon already, it might explain why Ogerpon doesn't choose him at the end even though he is clearly a better option to be it's trainer than us.
Well, i think that isn't the reason for his underlying hair color. As i noticed Kieran and Carmine have Purple abd Red highlights, fitting "Scarlet and Violet"
10:26 I bet the zombie old class, and zombie man class will be Heath and his old expedition team. Briar’s eyes are just really unnerving to me, and her fascination with Terapagos as well as her creeping up on us and Karmine at the Crystal Pool (when Karmine told us about people supposedly seeing the dead around the pool), makes me think Briar will entangle Kieran as her second in command to keep us in check, to stall for time while she makes a wish with Terapagos to bring back Heath and his expedition team.
I would die for Kieran I love him so so much. also thank you for defending him and touching of the datamines! I get made fun of sometimes when I bring this all up and people refuse to see him as anything but a brat. he's not. even without a pokemon influencing him, he's hurt and he has every right to be.
imagine if Indigo Disk DLC - Turo appeared in Scarlet and/or Sada appeared in Violet. (Timeless wood) - If you bring Orgepon into Battle with Terapagos, something interesting happen (ie. Oregon allowed to terastalyze more than once or all your party members get a stage increase in all its stats [OP? probably] ) {got this idea from the mew-mewtwo raid battle}
Some of the takes I've seen about Kieran and calling him a brat just miss the matk imo. Like, of course he wouldn't take it well. The entire DLC was just giving this kid more emotional damage on top of already likely having some pre-existing issues. (Like, he's kind of bullied by his sister and has no friends until the player, it's likely he's ostracized some due to his admiration of the ogre, his new friend and his own family start lying and hiding things from him, and it's likely they've lied before on the true history of Ogrepon, like, "No you know what the story says, the ogre is evil! Stop climbing up that dang mountain at night!" There's insecurities he's got over losing out all the time to us, and feeling weak. And then to top that off, his dream is stolen out from him underneath his nose. Snapping like that is pretty understandable 😅) If he's possessed on top of that, it might be like how Nihilego mentally affected Lusamine with its venom.
Imagine we get to fight a Dokutaro possessed Kieran. And I dont mean a pokemon team, I mean Kieran himself. Force us to risk hurting him while trying to fend off Dokutaro in hopes of freeing him from its toxic influence. Something I remember hoping we got to do in pokemon sun and moon with Lusamine and Nihilego. Of course we won't hurt him, just dokutaro, but that risk is there and it would be scary.
All theories aside, Kieran’s purple hair is the same shade as dokutaro so we know for sure that they’re gonna be battling alongside each other or using each other lol
All i know/feel is that the next DLC is gonna be such a emotional trial. Its probably gonna be a test run for how DARK pokemon games can become. Ie: finally giving the adult fanbase some horror/DEATH
When I watched youtubers play the dlc I didn't know Kieran was possessed by a fourth legendary. I thought he was turning evil because he was jealous, angry and frustrated that the player was getting Ogerpon and he didn't like that Ogerpon like and trusted the player and wanted to be partners with him or her. But it does make sense he would be possessed because he was behaving evil. Also I didn't know about the fourth legendary I didn't think it was present or hinted in the dlc.
I see where you're going with this. Kiki mentions in Teal Mask that he was going to Ogerpon's cave since he was a kid and never saw anything. What if Dokutaro can become invisible and used its power to take him over?
I was thinking maybe we could see Professor Turo or Sada well, maybe their ghost in that crystal pool just for Arven 😢 so he can finally be at peace with his Mom and Dad. Best wishes in your travel 🇯🇵
@@YvaanAvesnateal mask can be accessed as soon as the treasure hunt starts & we get all 3 storyline (like isle of armor). Probably thats why nemona, arven & penny are not part of kitakami & we are grouped with randos.
@@YvaanAvesnabut seeing that they will be returning in indigo disk... we could maybe go back to kitakami with arven as part of some quest... tht would be really cool.... (Probably not gonna happen but one can still hope)
@@YvaanAvesna what i meant was... even with the lottery system arven would not have been made part of the first dlc anyway because teal mask can be accessed well before his plotline gets established.... but whats stopping gamefreak from sending us back with him as part of the second dlc to visit the crystal pool (just like the OP is hoping) give him required permission to visit as part of some questline ... anime like twist
The zombies might be referring to mysterious zombie types of pokemon or pokemon resembling zombies with how they look or like he said its the momo taro pokemon controlling other pokemon and maybe in DLC the momotaro pokemon learns of terrapagos and his location and goes to try and corrupt or claim its power?
Strong Desire resonates with this evil being. The Loyal Three desired something they didn't have and the toxic chains granted what they desired but turned them evil.
The "Zombies" are most likely Blueberry Academy Students gone psychotic from being under Dokutaro's control. This datamine seems to confirm what place the Kitakami Region is based on.
THIS VIDEO BELOW MY MIND! 🤯 I didn't consider a Pokemon could be influencing Kieran sudden change of attitude. I kind did what his sister did and blame it on puberty. LoL Mainly, because he young and seems a bit antisocial. So thought it was just him acting out, but a Pokemon influencer is a MUCH better explanation.
I'm so excited for the part 2 of the DLC i know what i'll do for my christmas break 😃 gonna beat kieran's ass so bad he'll never want to battle against me lol
It’s the lying that kinda ruined our relationship with him not us winning the fight. Like even if he won nothing would change ogrepon would probably still chose us man was just literally angry
Since the three loyal pokemon are supposed to be bullies the 'Dokutaro' fills the role of the person who is manipulating the bullies into hurting others in order to look cool and popular, another form of Pier pressure perhaps?
I originally thought that the toxic chain would be like a virus and the “zombie_old” actually proved my theory being that Turo or Sada in their humans forms would be revived by the toxic chains and be corrupted into a battle with the main character being (turo steel/poison) (Sada fighting/poison)
Spoiler: Congrats on going to Japan! I had a feeling that it was going to be either Spain or Japan. I almost went as a study abroad thing next summer, but the program seemed a little sketchy, so I'm going to Ireland with my grandma, instead. (Eh, I've wanted to do Ireland for basically my entire life and it gives me time to work on my Japanese. Plus I can use you guys as a reference.) If you don't mind me asking, how long are you guys going to be there for? You made it seem like it'd be a while.
First time watching this and its after the DLC and man, some of these speculations are kinda funny in retrospect |D Tho still neat to think abbout what if they happened~
Never too late to do an emerald walkthrough as you never did I’m watching flora sky as we speak as I just got an emulator working and it be great to follow you on emerald as that was a key childhood game for many of us
Kieran made me feel like an utter dick throughout the whole dlc. Especially when it came to the game forcing us to lie to him and Ogerpon choosing us over him at the end. I get Ogerpon liked us more, but it felt like I was unintentionally rubbing it in his face. If I could I would've gladly given Ogerpon to him in a heartbeat since he wanted her so bad and I wasn't going to be using her.
kieran and carmine mg fav and kieran lost to the player he become is evil and maybe in end of the indigo disk he can become good and it will be good ending for siblings and I wait for the indigo disk to come out and kieran he is still my fav character 💖💖💖💖 and he is the player first friend and maybe player going save him form evil and lost and emotion he gojng through and more 💖💖🔥💖
@@YvaanAvesna personally as a horror fan I would love a possession storyline but I doubt Pokemon will go that dark even though a lot of the Pokedex entries are dark
Kieran will have his totalitarian anger streak in Indigo Disk but his heart will be healed in the end. Kieran’s a likable character. Gamefreak will give the siblings a happy ending.
7:22 oh dear god no, I didn’t even think of that, but it would make sense. Glimmora is like a flower, and most kinds of fruit initially start as flowers. So this new Pokémon could be a Glimmora that “ripened”, for lack of a better word, maybe with Terapagos’ power.
With the reversal of the story making the loyal 3 evil and the ofer the good guy, imagine instead of a boy being born from a peach, its a peach reborn from a boy. Dokutaro using its ghostly and toxic influence to absorb Kierans energy, emphasising his toxic traits, enhancing his rage, pushing forward his spite, and absorbing the life out of him, in an effort to become stronger and rebirth itself from that anger and wanting. Dokutaro isnt controlling Kieran, its using him as a feasting ground in a hope to revive/strengthen/ immortalise itself and reconnect to the loyal 3.
But it could control avrien,nemona,and penny to further it's power
It's just my theory
pretty good take tbh. I cant wait to see Kieran again in part 2.
And I will beat him. I mean, he was a little more difficult in part 2. But he honestly wasn't that hard for me to beat him. After I beat him He literally started like going insane. Just imagine you working so hard. And then all of that hard work goes down the drain😂😂
@@dawnebyrd8868 Kieran deserves a break if they add him to the league club like the rest of BB members I have a second Ogerpon I wanna trade him ;-;
-"i dont think zombies have ever been in pokemon before "
-Parasect: "am i a joke to you?????"
I wonder why nobody ever talks about the clear connection between Kieran's hair color scheme and toxic chains/dokutaro. He might be under the influence of some evil pokemon already, it might explain why Ogerpon doesn't choose him at the end even though he is clearly a better option to be it's trainer than us.
Well, i think that isn't the reason for his underlying hair color. As i noticed Kieran and Carmine have Purple abd Red highlights, fitting "Scarlet and Violet"
10:26 I bet the zombie old class, and zombie man class will be Heath and his old expedition team. Briar’s eyes are just really unnerving to me, and her fascination with Terapagos as well as her creeping up on us and Karmine at the Crystal Pool (when Karmine told us about people supposedly seeing the dead around the pool), makes me think Briar will entangle Kieran as her second in command to keep us in check, to stall for time while she makes a wish with Terapagos to bring back Heath and his expedition team.
Damn this is actually a pretty good theory I got fkin Goosebumps
I would die for Kieran I love him so so much.
also thank you for defending him and touching of the datamines! I get made fun of sometimes when I bring this all up and people refuse to see him as anything but a brat. he's not. even without a pokemon influencing him, he's hurt and he has every right to be.
Zombie could be the crew from area zero 200 year ago and kept alive but unable to get out of the area unless they wanna die
imagine if Indigo Disk DLC
- Turo appeared in Scarlet and/or Sada appeared in Violet. (Timeless wood)
- If you bring Orgepon into Battle with Terapagos, something interesting happen (ie. Oregon allowed to terastalyze more than once or all your party members get a stage increase in all its stats [OP? probably] ) {got this idea from the mew-mewtwo raid battle}
Or maybe those Professor would appear at that one crystal lake. Carmine did say there’s legends about seeing dead people there.
Some of the takes I've seen about Kieran and calling him a brat just miss the matk imo. Like, of course he wouldn't take it well. The entire DLC was just giving this kid more emotional damage on top of already likely having some pre-existing issues.
(Like, he's kind of bullied by his sister and has no friends until the player, it's likely he's ostracized some due to his admiration of the ogre, his new friend and his own family start lying and hiding things from him, and it's likely they've lied before on the true history of Ogrepon, like, "No you know what the story says, the ogre is evil! Stop climbing up that dang mountain at night!" There's insecurities he's got over losing out all the time to us, and feeling weak. And then to top that off, his dream is stolen out from him underneath his nose. Snapping like that is pretty understandable 😅)
If he's possessed on top of that, it might be like how Nihilego mentally affected Lusamine with its venom.
Imagine we get to fight a Dokutaro possessed Kieran. And I dont mean a pokemon team, I mean Kieran himself. Force us to risk hurting him while trying to fend off Dokutaro in hopes of freeing him from its toxic influence. Something I remember hoping we got to do in pokemon sun and moon with Lusamine and Nihilego. Of course we won't hurt him, just dokutaro, but that risk is there and it would be scary.
I agree! I would die for Kieran *sobs*
Pokémon has zombies already. A curtain overly aggressive mushroom-bug.
All theories aside, Kieran’s purple hair is the same shade as dokutaro so we know for sure that they’re gonna be battling alongside each other or using each other lol
All i know/feel is that the next DLC is gonna be such a emotional trial. Its probably gonna be a test run for how DARK pokemon games can become. Ie: finally giving the adult fanbase some horror/DEATH
When I watched youtubers play the dlc I didn't know Kieran was possessed by a fourth legendary. I thought he was turning evil because he was jealous, angry and frustrated that the player was getting Ogerpon and he didn't like that Ogerpon like and trusted the player and wanted to be partners with him or her. But it does make sense he would be possessed because he was behaving evil. Also I didn't know about the fourth legendary I didn't think it was present or hinted in the dlc.
I would've never noticed without the datamined tbh but it's there in the cutscene just very well hidden 🥷
@@MunchingOrange oh you're very smart and clever.
Dude Dokutaro with the chains looks like Reuniclus
Yoooo I wasn’t the only one who thought that. The proportions are pretty much one to one.
I definitely see the resemblance
Good job with this, Kieran's new hair color in the new trailer just makes this more possible.
I had a thought today that maybe once we unlock flying for our legendaries we can reach that unknown landmass to the NE of Paldea.
I see where you're going with this. Kiki mentions in Teal Mask that he was going to Ogerpon's cave since he was a kid and never saw anything. What if Dokutaro can become invisible and used its power to take him over?
I was thinking maybe we could see Professor Turo or Sada well, maybe their ghost in that crystal pool just for Arven 😢 so he can finally be at peace with his Mom and Dad. Best wishes in your travel 🇯🇵
@@YvaanAvesnateal mask can be accessed as soon as the treasure hunt starts & we get all 3 storyline (like isle of armor). Probably thats why nemona, arven & penny are not part of kitakami & we are grouped with randos.
@@YvaanAvesnabut seeing that they will be returning in indigo disk... we could maybe go back to kitakami with arven as part of some quest... tht would be really cool.... (Probably not gonna happen but one can still hope)
@@YvaanAvesna what i meant was... even with the lottery system arven would not have been made part of the first dlc anyway because teal mask can be accessed well before his plotline gets established....
but whats stopping gamefreak from sending us back with him as part of the second dlc to visit the crystal pool (just like the OP is hoping) give him required permission to visit as part of some questline ... anime like twist
If the first dlc is based on momotaro, maybe the second half is based on Urashima Taro?
The zombies might be referring to mysterious zombie types of pokemon or pokemon resembling zombies with how they look or like he said its the momo taro pokemon controlling other pokemon and maybe in DLC the momotaro pokemon learns of terrapagos and his location and goes to try and corrupt or claim its power?
With that kind of power, who knows what kind of chaos dokutaro could cause!
Strong Desire resonates with this evil being. The Loyal Three desired something they didn't have and the toxic chains granted what they desired but turned them evil.
Guess they payed the price
The "Zombies" are most likely Blueberry Academy Students gone psychotic from being under Dokutaro's control.
This datamine seems to confirm what place the Kitakami Region is based on.
Something tells me that a) Kieran is going to be the villain in indigo disk and b) he totally has Numb by Linkin park blaring on his headphones
Option b is a mood, I want that now.
Thumbnail : EVIL KIERAN?!
Me : Was there ever a good Kieran? Cos I didn't see him in my game
The Munch inself has become Orengii (because is moving on Japan)
Im glad too heard that Brother that your going too Japan😊
You can't catch me , I'm the gingerbread man!
It looks like a glimora and glimora blooms like kierans anger and carmines niceness? It might be an evil glimora
That vanoss clip hit me in the feels with that electabuzz and Lui god... we're getting old...
I see what you did there, Munching Orange. You did a reference of Where in the world is carmen sandiego
THIS VIDEO BELOW MY MIND! 🤯 I didn't consider a Pokemon could be influencing Kieran sudden change of attitude. I kind did what his sister did and blame it on puberty. LoL Mainly, because he young and seems a bit antisocial. So thought it was just him acting out, but a Pokemon influencer is a MUCH better explanation.
So lucky! You getting to go to Japan with your wife! I’ll definitely be checking it out on Slice of us!
Dokutaro looks like the eyes on the tera hats
Have fun in Japan! I'll be traveling to Tokyo next week too :D
Maybe ‘Zombie’ is Sada/Turo
I'm so excited for the part 2 of the DLC i know what i'll do for my christmas break 😃 gonna beat kieran's ass so bad he'll never want to battle against me lol
I love the juicy details
wow the last time i was on this channel is when i was 10 i come back 7 years later and bro is still goated
Thanks Goku Black 👌
Awwe, I want a Zombie Adaman. 💙
I hated Kiki pulled the victim card out for sure lol and got EMOTIONAL DAMAGE from my Pokémon slapping him.
Wdy man Pokémon slapping him
@@titanotrike like my Team destroyed him 😂 he had no chance so he’s mad now
@@nissanzenkiboy ohhhh I get it now lol
It’s the lying that kinda ruined our relationship with him not us winning the fight. Like even if he won nothing would change ogrepon would probably still chose us man was just literally angry
@@rances4418 he got mad because we beat him and he wanted to be the strongest so he got the new Pokémon lol but lost. Either way he’s a cry baby lol
Dokutaro looks like a Reuniclus variant. Plus, Reuniclus's liquid is highly toxic to those who drink it but it grants great powers
Since the three loyal pokemon are supposed to be bullies the 'Dokutaro' fills the role of the person who is manipulating the bullies into hurting others in order to look cool and popular, another form of Pier pressure perhaps?
I'm so excited!❤
I originally thought that the toxic chain would be like a virus and the “zombie_old” actually proved my theory being that Turo or Sada in their humans forms would be revived by the toxic chains and be corrupted into a battle with the main character being (turo steel/poison) (Sada fighting/poison)
The old man could be with Orgopon is Az from Kalos.
That lil boy worked on my damn nerves 🤣
Spoiler:
Congrats on going to Japan! I had a feeling that it was going to be either Spain or Japan. I almost went as a study abroad thing next summer, but the program seemed a little sketchy, so I'm going to Ireland with my grandma, instead. (Eh, I've wanted to do Ireland for basically my entire life and it gives me time to work on my Japanese. Plus I can use you guys as a reference.)
If you don't mind me asking, how long are you guys going to be there for? You made it seem like it'd be a while.
Historically a birthmark was seen as a sign of possession by the devil or being a witch. Easter egg maybe?
That's pretty cool. I remember Riddler or someone saying the birthmark was significant
as for zombies, Carmine mentions atthe crystal lake, its said you can meet people who have passed away!
7:35 I'm wondering if it's more like with sun and moon's cosmog that it could become a different form even more humanoid
The peach thing makes me think more of cosmog.
First time watching this and its after the DLC and man, some of these speculations are kinda funny in retrospect |D
Tho still neat to think abbout what if they happened~
Wow man great eyes
Love this video munch your videos are amazing.
No one ow talking about how the teal mask was held by kieran when he punched the shrine
I’m surprised he didn’t kill himself after the dlc 😭
I watched you when I was just a kid playing through with you on Pokemon black you needa bring back some rom dump plays of some older games
Never too late to do an emerald walkthrough as you never did I’m watching flora sky as we speak as I just got an emulator working and it be great to follow you on emerald as that was a key childhood game for many of us
there's always been zombies in pokemon. parasect is gen 1 zombie.
Idk if this has anything to do with this or not, but once the shrine erupted, it kinda looked like the rare raid dens in sword/shield
Munching orange did u know that you can get a second koraidon in its battle form??
It kind of looks like the Team Aqua logo.
Maybe he's the lil black mark on his neck looks like the doll
This is pretty old news. We've gotten bunch of new info since this.
Kieran made me feel like an utter dick throughout the whole dlc. Especially when it came to the game forcing us to lie to him and Ogerpon choosing us over him at the end. I get Ogerpon liked us more, but it felt like I was unintentionally rubbing it in his face. If I could I would've gladly given Ogerpon to him in a heartbeat since he wanted her so bad and I wasn't going to be using her.
Catch the loyal three where you fought them please please I beg you
is it just me or does dokutaro upside down kinda look like team aquas logo
I found out the name of the new pokemon
Do a video on the toxic trio
Ttar already went deeper ti these theories
Yes
kieran and carmine mg fav and kieran lost to the player he become is evil and maybe in end of the indigo disk he can become good and it will be good ending for siblings and I wait for the indigo disk to come out and kieran he is still my fav character 💖💖💖💖 and he is the player first friend and maybe player going save him form evil and lost and emotion he gojng through and more 💖💖🔥💖
it reminds me of cosmog kinda
chant the Hare Krishna mantra, read Srila Prabhupada's books, be happy!
Dinamax glow!
Yay
wait are you moving to japan or just visiting?
Gonna be there for 3 months!
@@MunchingOrange sweet! Have fun! I loved it when I went a few years ago :)
one of the first commentors i am, love this video
hmmm your partner beign linking rinking vilet awnd your partner girlfriend wife having a the oppsite version fo the game
Can you play ash gray again this time do it without following the script
Ok
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It’s not his tail it’s his clenched fist
I love momo 🍑
Hope you guys enjoy Japan 🇯🇵
Thanks Mr. Stone! It's gonna ROCK
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Something tells me that a) Kieran is going to be the villain in indigo disk and b) he totally has Numb by Linkin park blaring on his headphones
@@YvaanAvesna personally as a horror fan I would love a possession storyline but I doubt Pokemon will go that dark even though a lot of the Pokedex entries are dark