If the rumor is true, Spartacus will be extremely underwhelming. The top tier costs more than gamepass, but provides less value. It’s basically the same thing that we’ve already had, but packaged in pretty wrapping paper. Not only is backwards compatibility locked behind a paywall, but cloud saving should be automatic, but I only get that feature if I pay for the most expensive tier. That’s just not nearly as much value as their competitor. Lastly, it seems as though they’re getting rid of paying for an entire year for $60. In this model, I’ll be paying double the price of what we’re currently paying. When Microsoft tried doubling the price of Xbox live, they were crucified for it, and forced Microsoft to reverse the decision, so if we’re truly going to have to pay $120 a year, then people better have the same energy, and not just accept this. I was so excited for Spartacus, and now I have no incentive to be paying $17 on top of still having to pay $70 for first party games. We should expect more out of Sony.
I just need PlayStation to finally have some sort of service where I can easily play old PSP, PS1, and PS2 games. There’s a ton of series like Persona where I only got in to them in the recent entries and now I want to go back and play the originals.
@@AJ-xv7oh of course its possible, theyd just have to invest in decent emulation and see which 3rd party games they can get license to include on the service
I simply don't have time to play a spartacus service where there's hundreds of games to play. I'll be playing Horizon and Forespoken for likely the next 6 months because of time constraints. However, I do love the idea of getting older legacy titles thrown into a subscription service so I can play with my 6 year old daughter. Just paying a little more per month so I can just load up easily Sly Cooper and she can play it because it's simpler controls. I'll definitely be subscribing. Also Ashley Burch is so goddamn amazing, I never get tired of hearing Aloy sending things to her stash.
@@jadarina5035 I have to confess, it was even funnier because Jonathon didn't seem to find the bit funny 😅. I don't think I could have stopped giggling if I were the presenter, lol
I'm looking forward to it. Probably won't be as good as Game Pass; mainly because Microsoft has waaaay more money to throw around to get day 1 release games. but I feel like it will still be good.
yeah we are waiting for the exact details, everything is all from the rumor mill at this point, will be very interesting to see how accurate the rumors are for better or worse.
For the people that play souls games and are very good at them, I am happy that you enjoy them. But what this conversations boils down to for me is time. Time is a person's most valuable commodity you can't gain or buy more it. Once time is spent or loss is gone forever. I have a PS5 and a switch and more than 200 hundred games to play, I'm not going to spend 50 to hundred hours beating my head against a wall just to become average/good at a game.
The developers found a really easy game design that apparently people absolutely love and it requires a lot less work for a small-ish team and makes them a bunch of money. Is it overhyped and very overrated? Yes but if they like it they like it.
Give me all the dialog in Horizon. I am looking for online access+ free monthly games+ free last gen cloud gaming+ longer demos + Crunchyroll all on one Project Spartacus package.
The point made on limited skin colour options when creating a character, is more than justified! Personally I don't play as many games that have a character creation but that also means that I have not had any instances where my personal skin colour wasn't as option. Shame on the developers who don't bother to put those options in or management that doesn't allow it.
I can see it getting smaller games day and date. sifu, kena and returnal would be the kind of day one releases. While sony's big tentpole franchises with continue to be full price. They could also put the season passes and dlc for Destiny and their upcoming live service games as part of the premium service. This would actually be more enticing to the general gaming crowd as live service stuff has a far bigger player count than any exclusive.
I can see it for the first 2, but not Returnal. Returnal while not quite the scope of the huge AAA games like God of War, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted, Last of Us etc., it was still a fairly big budget game that sold at full retail with a day and date physical release, published by Sony, from a studio they planned to buy. Sifu and Kena were sold at prices closer to high-quality indie games and self published. Very curious what this premium tier consists of.
imo, I don't think Sony ever intended to compete with gamepass. If they were serious about competing than they would put first party games day and date. They still could announce that once they announce the new service if it exists of course but if they don't than I don't see how you can say they are trying to honestly compete. I kind of see it as a attempt to increase the value of PS plus cause it has 40+ million (which is more than gamepass currently) compared to the few million of ps now.
PS plus is like xbox live gold. And I don't know if they declare how many people pay for xbox live gold. They just say that over 100 million people were active online. PS Now was 3.2 million last year and that compares to 15 million on game pass last year
I hope Sony isn't going to use a paid subscription as a substitute for actual backwards compatibility. It's weird if they put that and demos behind a paywall, when they should be free.
Agreed, but I really think they will though. If you need to pay monthly for demos you are definitely going to have to pay monthly for backwards compatibility/access to older games. Backwards compatibility is the most requested feature so you know they are going to make you pay for something you want that badly.
Why? Because she said something bad about one of your favorite games? It's fine to be critical, and that's what is missing lately without Lucy, Max, Brian. Jada just gets a hard on about everything..
Oh my god. It’s relentless. It’s like the critics are so terrified of FromSoft fans that they’re getting every single urge to nitpick out of their system with Horizon. And this is a game that stutters so frequently, they recommend running it in back compat mode over the native PS5 version!
I haven't had any stutter issues yet in my time with Elden Ring, and have pretty much mostly positive things to say about both games, but I'm not going to lie and say I haven't had my issues with Horizon just because it's a 1st party game that would be playing favoritism and somewhat hypocritical, We all really enjoy Horizon but something about Elden has captivated a good-sized portion of the gaming community. We have gushed over Horizon for 3 or 4 episodes, and now that we have put in much more time to the games we noticed things that did or didn't work for us. We still love the game and are looking forward to the next one whether or not the feedback we give (which has been echoed by others in the community) is heard by the devs or not its our opinions on the game and everyone is free to play and make their own as well.
Been messing around with both Game Pass and Playstation Now over the last month. PS Now needs to get exponentially better in order to be just viable. The lag, studder and pixelated quality of the streams make it basically unplayable; at least where I live. Whereas Game Pass always comes out smooth about 95% of the time. Hardly any complaints as far as Game Pass goes.
I think the big difference is that PS now has lots of titles that require streaming them vs Gamepass allowing you to download basically everything unless it's a cloud version streamed to like PC. But yeah totally agree that it needs a big shakeup to be worth our time and money.
@@NickBLeaveIt it depends they could also be talking compared to streaming stuff from GP, it's hard to say not enough info in the original comment. Also please be respectful in our comments.
@@NickBLeaveIt Woah woah you're gonna break a leg jumping to conclusions like that. I'm streaming on both services and Game Pass is by far the more stable platform with far less lag. I'm also using them on the exact same network I have at home. This isn't even me Xbox fan-boying out. I don't even own an Xbox, I strictly stream games to my phone with Game Pass.
@@pressxtojason My bad dude; in that case the comparison is between XCloud and PS Now, in which case I have every reason to believe XCloud is better at streaming; the confusing nomenclature is gonna be the death of all of us.
It depends sometimes, I generally prefer voice-acted protagonists over silent ones, but sometimes being silent allows you to be immersed in the character itself a bit more, especially if a voiced character goes out of character for what you would have preferred or thought they were going to do. Each way has its benefits and drawbacks and I think it just comes down to personal preference, I do however want all my npcs with voice acting because especially in RPG's there is so many great moments that can come to life with a great voice actor in the role.
So no shot this thing is even competitive against Gamepass, but I’m excited for it, I just can’t imagine an offering that would get me to pay more than $60 a year. Get your hopes low folks, then you can never get disappointed
Yeah. If it replaces ps+...you can get a year of ps+ for like 35 bucks on cdkeys. Have paid 30-32 dollars each of the past 4 years. So the 36 is a guess. Atleast for 2 more months. So 60 is beyond comprehension. If they add months to poplars and cheezit boxes I am here for it though.
I miss PlayStation shows that are passionate about PlayStation rather than, “I want to say that I really do like, love, and or appreciate PlayStation/game.. buutttttt…” When ten out of ten topics come with a “buuttttt..”, is it really a fancast still?
I think Sparticus will be successful for Sony. While it doesn't look like it will be as good as Gamepass (day and date firstparty), there are enough players who only own one console or other fans that just love Sony and will support them. I own both PS5 and Series X; I prefer the Series X due to things like Quick Resume and FPS Boost. But Playstation has a great petigree of first party games that Xbox is trying to emulate. Glad to see Sony adapt! I probably won't go for the tier 3 service though.
Sony need to do something high profile with their subscription service. So just merging PS Plus and PS Now is sensible but not very interesting. I think they will need to add significant value to their PSP, PS1 and PS2 game offerings. So they need to offer save states, rewind, cheat modes, visual filters/upscaling or AI visual upscaling. I think they will offer simple visual upscaling or AI upscaling on their PS3 titles too. These quality of life features are common in modern emulators. Trophy support on these old games would also be really good. Sony are all about getting as much money from their fans as possible so they are not going to offer 1st party games for free on Spartacus. Sony don't need to "buy back" their players like xbox do. I think Sony will rely on Indie developers who need publicity/promoting to offer their new games on day one on Spartacus. Sony's strength is in their amazing back catalogue of games. With AI visual upscaling the back catalogue of PS2 games could be a really huge selling point for Spartacus. Personally I bought a number of the PS2 games that were re-released on PS4 with trophies. Trophies on my favourite old games would definitely get me subscribing and trophy hunting.
Spartacus the way it's leaked doesn't sound like anything new... So you either get - PS Plus as it is now - both PS Plus and Now - demos on top of that I'll just stay on PS Plus, so nothing new and interesting for me...
If they make a legend of dragoon remaster, or remake that I get the privilege to pay full price for I'll give them my monies for the next 10 years no questions asked.
What's Jada talking about???? She's happy to pay to gain access to digital PS3 titles she's has already paid for and owns????? Awful suggestion. If BC becomes a reality, games you own should not be behind a pay wall.
I'm unsure of the updated subscription service for PS. I'll wait and see. The updates for RE2 & 3 is awesome news. Because I just bought both RaccoonCity Edition. I hope this is the next step along with other things for RE4.
Spartacus sounds like ea access, if I recall it had a demo service but was 8-10hrs (but limited campaign for games like battlefield 1) and then big discount, and after 12 months the game was free, no guessing when it was, in a yr the game is free. All of this was a years subscription, and I think it was cheaper than even the base offer of Spartacus. I will be waiting on this before I assume anything, but so far this isn’t a purchase, not yet anyway, and hopefully Sony will be more transparent closer to the time.
P.s. Let Jada Griffin know that I found her brains 🧠 if she’s still looking for them. Otherwise I loved 🥰 the stream and Jonathon is doing a wonderful job!
I know I’m in the minority but all these services just don’t interest me. I only have Plus for the cloud saves honestly. I’ve never downloaded one game ever from it in years. I buy a few games a year and that’s all I have time for. A catalog of even more is just more I won’t play and I think a lot of gamers won’t either but they’ll be paying it.
If Sony is going to charge me more to let me play old games it is not worth it to me. I pay for PS Plus to play online, etc... i don't have PS Now and don't want to if the offer remains the same.
As a solution to giving Playstation more options? It's good. As a competitor to Xbox's Gamepass? Not even close. The value in Gamepass smokes this, if the rumors match reality.
Please no! If I already purchased games on past consoles I should not! Not! Have to buy a subscription to play them on the successor, I bought it, if it can be played on current consoles then I should get it. There is no legal reason they have to tell me no if it’s backwards compatible. An If PlayStation wants to make a membership successor they need to change a few things: -Free membership:anything you purchased on psp, ps3, ps4 will all be free to play on ps5 as you paid for those games. At least main party games (got of war, jak and daxster, Spyro, crash, medi evil, ape escape, ect.). As well all free to play games are free multiplayer. -Base model:paid multiplayer, 3 free games (1 current, 1backwards compatible), and deals for the PlayStation store -“Game pass”:all first party from backwards compatible and current (3-6 months old games), all exclusives to PlayStation consoles, select indie and third party partnerships added to the list monthly, have a min of 3-4 month stay time at least, and 1 free current or backwards compatibility game. -Platinum pass:Basic and “game pass” together, in addition to greater deals on multiplayer PlayStation store, and 1 additional current game(so total games you get for free is 2 current, 1 current/backwards compat, and 1 backwards compat) An many may say “but that’s a lot of free games” and all I really have to say is look at their backwards compatible library they could reach from! So many hits! So long as Sony makes their backwards compatibility team bigger and they have the funding and time, they have so many games!
I don’t know until I see it ultimate game pass is worth it I didn’t say it was worth it until I got it but the PS Now that’s been here since 2013 that costed $99 a year wasn’t worth it ultimate game pass doesn’t just give you first party games it gives you Gold EA Access it gives you quests to complete for points you can change to money with game pass alone it’s not worth to subscribe every month you subscribe when they add games your interested in playing big first party games to try them that I can’t say for PS Now cause they don’t have games I want to try
Thing is I got ps now for a year for £50, so I don’t see the value in this if they are just going to bolt these together. Sounds a bit of a piss take in comparison to game pass, it will backfire if they try I think.
Tom and Lucy's opinion on Horizon Forbidden West...WTF??????? She prefers a game in a fantasy world but with a stupid stamina bar for all moves compared to the Perfection of Horizon! Tom, I don't understand how he played without knowing the Zero Dawn story, it's so much a continuation of the game, so much références!!!
It's a fair opinion and they aren't alone in that, I think Elden Ring does a better job of creating curiosity and leading you minimally to discover that, whereas Horizon tells you hey there this really cool thing over here and when you reach it, it just nails the execution, payoff and delivers even better on this cool area you heard a rumor about, and many of the areas are just jaw-droppingly gorgeous at times. It's two different design styles and each will certainly attract different portions of the audience. As for the going in blind to a sequel, I do my best to play chronologically because that's just my personality and what I enjoy, but I understand jumping into HFW blind, the first game is a time commitment and there are so many games to play, that's it's nearly impossible to play every new release and the previous game in the series for our line of work. Also, it's good to help determine how well the developers onboard other people who never played the first one.
No, absolutely not it’s completely tone deaf to not have a subscription service and not offer Spider-Man 2 or Wolverine day 1 , my thoughts are instead of using the price keep it the same and just offer game pass on the PlayStation otherwise you are not going to compete in the long run
if its like gamepass where they charge 160 a year for 90% old stuff you can easily buy in cex for single figures then no . I hate this digital only fad tbh xbox series s and ps5 digital belong in a bomb fire .
I don't think there's any chance they put big exclusives on the service day 1 as they don't need to given how well Sony's first party games sell. When you have first party exclusives selling 20m copies over its lifetime as Horizon recently did & I think spiderman sold 8m over its first year or something why would you put them on a subscription day 1. And if the XB1 had been more competitive with the PS4 and if Microsoft had been doing the same sort of sales figures for its first party exclusives i doubt game pass would exist in the form it does. I think i also saw not long ago that game pass still isn't making Microsoft a profit. They can probably be OK with that for a while as they have a lot of cash from elsewhere but in the longer term it needs to become profitable I'd think. Sony also likely couldn't deal with the lost revenue from game sales like Microsoft can.
if the new playstation subscription tries to be or beat gamepass its gonna be a disaster. Sony is just not in the right place to beat gamepass. it should offer playstation centric incentives to try. game trials, and "cloud saves" are so lame. they feel like things that I should already have and for free but they're not. so it makes me upset. a mix of Nintendo online with the virtual consoles to play old exclusives and a more expanded catalog style of essential games to play would feel good to pay for. I dont even want to pay for virtual console monthly I rather just buy them but it's better than what we have now. you cannot beat Netflix by being a shittier Netflix. netflix is shitty enough. you have to become Disney+ or HBO max: a specialized catalog with a bit of depth but going for a more niche market than an everyman market.
If it rolls out as mentioned. It’s not as good or competing with Xbox. Hope it’s better than what they mentioned. Not paying any more for old games, because I barely have time to play new ones. If I am going to pay more monthly then I want new games part of it.
"They aren't the biggest games in the world." Downplaying Gamepass.. 🤣🤣🤣 how about mention how xbox is putting all of their 1st party titles in gamepass and how Playstation won't do that?? 🤔🤔 weird..
We literally made the point that we don't think Playstation will put their games on the service day one because they like to tout sales numbers over the first weekend. There are lots of great games that come to Gamepass, but besides Halo and Forza its been mostly smaller titles, and older exclusives that have been in the market for years, I'm sure it will shake that opinion for most when games like Redfall, Starfield, TES6, and more start releasing on GP.
I have so many questions, but I leave you with this #beyond two of sony playstation ip drop two weeks apart. It appears the way beyond is covering them seems like a flash in the pan. Like come on Horizons forbidden west #GT7 why so little fan service? This is beyond me. A playstation podcast seems more eager to discuss services in which 70% of consumers have little to no interest in. Please for the love of video games show some love to those prospective gamers I mention earlier. Have a great day 😀 😊
We've been talking about Horizon Forbidden West for the last month so definitely check out some of our past episodes if you missed them. As for GT7 none of us have had any playtime with GT yet. We will definitely have more discussions on GT7 and Ghostwire Tokyo as we get to access and play it, and can talk more beyond what little we've seen so far. Schedules don't always align for having certain guests on that are experts in various games, we are working to have Luke our car and racing game expert on the show to chat about GT7 so we have someone that can give you the most authentic and informative opinions on it. So hang in there we are working to make that happen for all our car enthusiasts in the audience. We will definitely talk more about games like Ghostwire Tokyo, God of War, and other big sony games as we get closer to their launch and we either get hands-on or get more information via trailers and state of plays.
@@jadarina5035 great ! Good to hear. I'm aware of previous shows, but you're right,so many games such little time to cover them all. Welcome aboard the podcast , you're contribution is surely welcome. 😀
@@Disinfectantanime exactly trust me we would love to cover everything but like you said definitely so much good stuff to cover that some things just get less time than others. Thanks for being a fan of the show I'm definitely looking forward to chatting about GT7 and more when we get the chance.
I sorry I thought this was a Playstation channel. Not the bash on Playstation and praise Xbox game pass. Every week these guys who claim they aren't fans of either system. Won't let us rest without knocking everything Sony does. Aloy is annoying, I want game pass, give me more it's not enough over and over. Very disappointing 😞.
Two weeks ago we spent an hour and a half gushing about how much Mark, Jada, and I loved Horizon, the week before that we praised a PlayStation console exclusive indie (Sifu) and talked about our hype for another console exclusive coming up (Ghostwire). The week before that we talked about how Sony's Bungie buy was a smart step in their wider expansionary plans. There are endless examples of us cheering on moves and games by Sony, but we're not a Sony PR show - we analyze, praise, and criticize PlayStation at large. That has always been true of this show, and while fandoms may have changed with changing casts over time, that hasn't stopped being true, anbd we're not going to stop someone from being on the show just because they have a criticism of Sony. Caring about something MEANS you both praise what works and criticize what doesn't to hope it improves.
Horizon is boring. I bought it and was like really? Sure it looks good but that’s it. It’s so boring and slow and made badly as far as gameplay. Bow shot roll repeat…….it’s a okay game wrapped in hype.
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If the rumor is true, Spartacus will be extremely underwhelming. The top tier costs more than gamepass, but provides less value. It’s basically the same thing that we’ve already had, but packaged in pretty wrapping paper. Not only is backwards compatibility locked behind a paywall, but cloud saving should be automatic, but I only get that feature if I pay for the most expensive tier. That’s just not nearly as much value as their competitor.
Lastly, it seems as though they’re getting rid of paying for an entire year for $60. In this model, I’ll be paying double the price of what we’re currently paying. When Microsoft tried doubling the price of Xbox live, they were crucified for it, and forced Microsoft to reverse the decision, so if we’re truly going to have to pay $120 a year, then people better have the same energy, and not just accept this. I was so excited for Spartacus, and now I have no incentive to be paying $17 on top of still having to pay $70 for first party games. We should expect more out of Sony.
I just need PlayStation to finally have some sort of service where I can easily play old PSP, PS1, and PS2 games. There’s a ton of series like Persona where I only got in to them in the recent entries and now I want to go back and play the originals.
get a series s and play them all for free. plus classic nintendo titles too.
I'm not trolling when I say. If you have a moderately powerful pc, emulation is free and very easy.
Sony are never going to do that. It's impossible.
@@AJ-xv7oh of course its possible, theyd just have to invest in decent emulation and see which 3rd party games they can get license to include on the service
Sony is never going to give us that. It’s pretty ridiculous though, because the competition offers full back compat.
I just came here to say yaaaayy!! Lucy is back!!! 🥳🥳
We were very happy to have her back! (Even if she'll have to disappear again for a little while, but with good reason!)
¡Yeah! Tom and Lucy. Loved it. Beyond from Costa Rica.
BEYOND! Was very happy to have them both on the show.
I simply don't have time to play a spartacus service where there's hundreds of games to play. I'll be playing Horizon and Forespoken for likely the next 6 months because of time constraints. However, I do love the idea of getting older legacy titles thrown into a subscription service so I can play with my 6 year old daughter. Just paying a little more per month so I can just load up easily Sly Cooper and she can play it because it's simpler controls. I'll definitely be subscribing.
Also Ashley Burch is so goddamn amazing, I never get tired of hearing Aloy sending things to her stash.
For the love of God, please start using RUclips chapters for video podcasts. 😮💨😮💨😮💨
@24:00 this moment made me laugh, Lucy and Jada killed it this episode.
Lucy’s back… finally!
I MISSED YOU GUYS!
Lucy stop leaving. Please stay.....and congrats on the baby.
Jada and Lucy had a ball on this episode. Absolutely hilarious.
yeah I still have no clue how we got there but when I commit, I commit :P
@@jadarina5035 I have to confess, it was even funnier because Jonathon didn't seem to find the bit funny 😅. I don't think I could have stopped giggling if I were the presenter, lol
@@burrito4332 he comes back after his time off and this is where I took the show, I apologize for nothing.
@@burrito4332 for the record i absolutely found it hilarious i just didn't want to interrupt! i was impressed with how far they took it
@@Dornology honestly I forgot to add that Amazon was delivering me new clothes each day, but we moved on so I decided to let it end.
LUCY IS BACK
I'm looking forward to it. Probably won't be as good as Game Pass; mainly because Microsoft has waaaay more money to throw around to get day 1 release games. but I feel like it will still be good.
yeah we are waiting for the exact details, everything is all from the rumor mill at this point, will be very interesting to see how accurate the rumors are for better or worse.
@@jadarina5035 Very true, shouldn't be too long until we officially find out.
It's a start that's the way I look at it.
I think as long as they have their own first party games day one, then it will be good.
@@LexVVTiS300 lol, sure, man.
Yoo dope Sonic shirt! Reminds me of the good ol' days 😌
Fun podcast as always. Thanks everyone!
I'm Missing Mark this week.
Fret not he will be back!
If the Spartacus classic games have trophy support, that's enough to convince me
That would be great!
I would play so much more of the old library if it had updated trophy support. I'm not expecting it, but would be a nice addition!
What value does the trophies have ? They are pointless , why care about them too much ? I just cant get it
For the people that play souls games and are very good at them, I am happy that you enjoy them. But what this conversations boils down to for me is time. Time is a person's most valuable commodity you can't gain or buy more it. Once time is spent or loss is gone forever. I have a PS5 and a switch and more than 200 hundred games to play, I'm not going to spend 50 to hundred hours beating my head against a wall just to become average/good at a game.
The developers found a really easy game design that apparently people absolutely love and it requires a lot less work for a small-ish team and makes them a bunch of money. Is it overhyped and very overrated? Yes but if they like it they like it.
Give me all the dialog in Horizon. I am looking for online access+ free monthly games+ free last gen cloud gaming+ longer demos + Crunchyroll all on one Project Spartacus package.
Congratulations to you and your partner, Lucy! Enjoy all the baby snuggles and the joys of new parenthood 😊
Jet Moto!!! I still have my jet Moto 2 disc for the killer soundtrack
LUCY is BACK, you were missed terribly
I really wish you could turn off the scan ping in HFW! I scan like every 5sec and it's so annoying to hear ping, ping, ping over and over again!
The point made on limited skin colour options when creating a character, is more than justified! Personally I don't play as many games that have a character creation but that also means that I have not had any instances where my personal skin colour wasn't as option. Shame on the developers who don't bother to put those options in or management that doesn't allow it.
I can see it getting smaller games day and date. sifu, kena and returnal would be the kind of day one releases. While sony's big tentpole franchises with continue to be full price. They could also put the season passes and dlc for Destiny and their upcoming live service games as part of the premium service. This would actually be more enticing to the general gaming crowd as live service stuff has a far bigger player count than any exclusive.
I can see it for the first 2, but not Returnal. Returnal while not quite the scope of the huge AAA games like God of War, Horizon, Ghost of Tsushima, Uncharted, Last of Us etc., it was still a fairly big budget game that sold at full retail with a day and date physical release, published by Sony, from a studio they planned to buy. Sifu and Kena were sold at prices closer to high-quality indie games and self published.
Very curious what this premium tier consists of.
You can’t put a Destiny Season Pass on a streaming service it is not designed that way. You can put a expansion on there like Game Pass.
imo, I don't think Sony ever intended to compete with gamepass. If they were serious about competing than they would put first party games day and date. They still could announce that once they announce the new service if it exists of course but if they don't than I don't see how you can say they are trying to honestly compete.
I kind of see it as a attempt to increase the value of PS plus cause it has 40+ million (which is more than gamepass currently) compared to the few million of ps now.
PS plus is like xbox live gold. And I don't know if they declare how many people pay for xbox live gold. They just say that over 100 million people were active online. PS Now was 3.2 million last year and that compares to 15 million on game pass last year
They need to add crunchy roll with this
I honestly haven't renewed my Ps plus membership because of this unicorn of a subscription service
What is the game shown around the 9:20 mark? Thanks
Shadow Warrior 3, just released on PC and PS4 and Xbox One, also available on PS Now if you happen to have that subscription
I hope Sony isn't going to use a paid subscription as a substitute for actual backwards compatibility. It's weird if they put that and demos behind a paywall, when they should be free.
Agreed, but I really think they will though. If you need to pay monthly for demos you are definitely going to have to pay monthly for backwards compatibility/access to older games. Backwards compatibility is the most requested feature so you know they are going to make you pay for something you want that badly.
Jada is such a blessing. Lucy really killed the vibe with her thoughts on Forbidden West lol. Jada got it back on track for me.
Why? Because she said something bad about one of your favorite games? It's fine to be critical, and that's what is missing lately without Lucy, Max, Brian.
Jada just gets a hard on about everything..
Oh my god. It’s relentless. It’s like the critics are so terrified of FromSoft fans that they’re getting every single urge to nitpick out of their system with Horizon. And this is a game that stutters so frequently, they recommend running it in back compat mode over the native PS5 version!
I haven't had any stutter issues yet in my time with Elden Ring, and have pretty much mostly positive things to say about both games, but I'm not going to lie and say I haven't had my issues with Horizon just because it's a 1st party game that would be playing favoritism and somewhat hypocritical, We all really enjoy Horizon but something about Elden has captivated a good-sized portion of the gaming community. We have gushed over Horizon for 3 or 4 episodes, and now that we have put in much more time to the games we noticed things that did or didn't work for us. We still love the game and are looking forward to the next one whether or not the feedback we give (which has been echoed by others in the community) is heard by the devs or not its our opinions on the game and everyone is free to play and make their own as well.
Backwards compatibility would be wonderful. Without the monthly service.
Been messing around with both Game Pass and Playstation Now over the last month. PS Now needs to get exponentially better in order to be just viable. The lag, studder and pixelated quality of the streams make it basically unplayable; at least where I live. Whereas Game Pass always comes out smooth about 95% of the time. Hardly any complaints as far as Game Pass goes.
I think the big difference is that PS now has lots of titles that require streaming them vs Gamepass allowing you to download basically everything unless it's a cloud version streamed to like PC. But yeah totally agree that it needs a big shakeup to be worth our time and money.
You're comparing native downloading to streaming Einstein; not a fair comparison.
@@NickBLeaveIt it depends they could also be talking compared to streaming stuff from GP, it's hard to say not enough info in the original comment. Also please be respectful in our comments.
@@NickBLeaveIt Woah woah you're gonna break a leg jumping to conclusions like that. I'm streaming on both services and Game Pass is by far the more stable platform with far less lag. I'm also using them on the exact same network I have at home. This isn't even me Xbox fan-boying out. I don't even own an Xbox, I strictly stream games to my phone with Game Pass.
@@pressxtojason My bad dude; in that case the comparison is between XCloud and PS Now, in which case I have every reason to believe XCloud is better at streaming; the confusing nomenclature is gonna be the death of all of us.
In the year 2022, I'll never understand thinking a silent protagonist is better in a AAA game
It depends sometimes, I generally prefer voice-acted protagonists over silent ones, but sometimes being silent allows you to be immersed in the character itself a bit more, especially if a voiced character goes out of character for what you would have preferred or thought they were going to do. Each way has its benefits and drawbacks and I think it just comes down to personal preference, I do however want all my npcs with voice acting because especially in RPG's there is so many great moments that can come to life with a great voice actor in the role.
Sony exclusive demos and discounts. DLC. Early access. Free to play weekends. Tournaments. Trophy’s 🏆. There is a lot they can do with the service.
Technically just by combining now and ps plus @16 is saving you 4 dollars monthly
So no shot this thing is even competitive against Gamepass, but I’m excited for it, I just can’t imagine an offering that would get me to pay more than $60 a year. Get your hopes low folks, then you can never get disappointed
Yeah. If it replaces ps+...you can get a year of ps+ for like 35 bucks on cdkeys. Have paid 30-32 dollars each of the past 4 years. So the 36 is a guess. Atleast for 2 more months. So 60 is beyond comprehension. If they add months to poplars and cheezit boxes I am here for it though.
Anybody else notice the "Doom Returnal" goof?
What's the game shown around 14:00?
Shadow Warrior 3
If it’s the only way to play the biggest classic hit games of Playstation to play on current gen consoles then it’s worth every penny.
I miss PlayStation shows that are passionate about PlayStation rather than, “I want to say that I really do like, love, and or appreciate PlayStation/game.. buutttttt…” When ten out of ten topics come with a “buuttttt..”, is it really a fancast still?
To answer the header: I really hope so.
All I want is same-day-releases for their first party games...
Heck, I'll take post 3-6month releases.
I think Sparticus will be successful for Sony. While it doesn't look like it will be as good as Gamepass (day and date firstparty), there are enough players who only own one console or other fans that just love Sony and will support them. I own both PS5 and Series X; I prefer the Series X due to things like Quick Resume and FPS Boost. But Playstation has a great petigree of first party games that Xbox is trying to emulate. Glad to see Sony adapt! I probably won't go for the tier 3 service though.
@@LexVVTiS300 neither will crush the other. They both will be fine. Let’s stop the console war ridiculousness
@@LexVVTiS300 sony pony , sony is producing more ps4s with more trashstation piss poor games , gt7 87 vs forza 5 92
Sony need to do something high profile with their subscription service. So just merging PS Plus and PS Now is sensible but not very interesting. I think they will need to add significant value to their PSP, PS1 and PS2 game offerings. So they need to offer save states, rewind, cheat modes, visual filters/upscaling or AI visual upscaling. I think they will offer simple visual upscaling or AI upscaling on their PS3 titles too. These quality of life features are common in modern emulators. Trophy support on these old games would also be really good. Sony are all about getting as much money from their fans as possible so they are not going to offer 1st party games for free on Spartacus. Sony don't need to "buy back" their players like xbox do. I think Sony will rely on Indie developers who need publicity/promoting to offer their new games on day one on Spartacus. Sony's strength is in their amazing back catalogue of games. With AI visual upscaling the back catalogue of PS2 games could be a really huge selling point for Spartacus. Personally I bought a number of the PS2 games that were re-released on PS4 with trophies. Trophies on my favourite old games would definitely get me subscribing and trophy hunting.
I completely agree, but I don’t see any scenario where we can play original PS1 & 2 games
Yaaay Lucy! Now where's Max and Brian? Are they alive?
Spartacus the way it's leaked doesn't sound like anything new...
So you either get
- PS Plus as it is now
- both PS Plus and Now
- demos on top of that
I'll just stay on PS Plus, so nothing new and interesting for me...
If they make a legend of dragoon remaster, or remake that I get the privilege to pay full price for I'll give them my monies for the next 10 years no questions asked.
What's Jada talking about???? She's happy to pay to gain access to digital PS3 titles she's has already paid for and owns????? Awful suggestion. If BC becomes a reality, games you own should not be behind a pay wall.
I'm unsure of the updated subscription service for PS. I'll wait and see. The updates for RE2 & 3 is awesome news. Because I just bought both RaccoonCity Edition. I hope this is the next step along with other things for RE4.
Spartacus sounds like ea access, if I recall it had a demo service but was 8-10hrs (but limited campaign for games like battlefield 1) and then big discount, and after 12 months the game was free, no guessing when it was, in a yr the game is free. All of this was a years subscription, and I think it was cheaper than even the base offer of Spartacus.
I will be waiting on this before I assume anything, but so far this isn’t a purchase, not yet anyway, and hopefully Sony will be more transparent closer to the time.
Peace ✌🏽 love ❤️ you guys!
P.s. Let Jada Griffin know that I found her brains 🧠 if she’s still looking for them. Otherwise I loved 🥰 the stream and Jonathon is doing a wonderful job!
I’m excited for project Spartacus, I can see Sony hopefully giving us annual subscription service fees as well as updating (PlayStation Collection).
Tom saying you can lose 3 hours of progress on a From game makes me think he has never played any of them for that long.
If they are taking steps of a service of what may become, the price must be below 10 usd
I know I’m in the minority but all these services just don’t interest me. I only have Plus for the cloud saves honestly. I’ve never downloaded one game ever from it in years. I buy a few games a year and that’s all I have time for. A catalog of even more is just more I won’t play and I think a lot of gamers won’t either but they’ll be paying it.
I'm in the same boat. I'll gladly pay to buy a few classic games I might want but I'm not subscribing to a service to play said games.
Yeah the "I don't feel represented" crap is annoying. It's a game, you don't need to see yourself in it.
Oooh Lucy's back!
Johnahan lucy brain and max during lockdown start of covid 2020 were epic podcast beyond really pulled it out the bag! Credit to them guys
Lucy hates Jada it's so obvious 🤦
Surprised to see two girls who are into Souls games and two guys who are not :D It's aligned with where I stand too, being a guy...
What happened to beyond?? It's been a couple years since I've watched this but it seems to be extremely low energy now....?
If Sony is going to charge me more to let me play old games it is not worth it to me. I pay for PS Plus to play online, etc... i don't have PS Now and don't want to if the offer remains the same.
Exactly. I can’t justify passing this when I know Game Pass offers more for less
10/month the cheapest tier 1??? Wtf that is 120 usd per year!!!! Ridiculous!!!! That's the amount of 1 year ultimate gamepass from 3rd party seller!
They talked more about the demos than the back catalogue... @_@
Welcome back Lucy❤️👏
They better offer a yearly discount or ps+ goes from 60 to 120 dollars a year
Lol am I hearing this right? Backwards compatibility is blocked behind a paywall?
As a solution to giving Playstation more options? It's good. As a competitor to Xbox's Gamepass? Not even close. The value in Gamepass smokes this, if the rumors match reality.
Have we figured out what the r stands for yet
As far as I'm concerned it's still just all rumors I won't believe anything till sony cone out and say something
Please no! If I already purchased games on past consoles I should not! Not! Have to buy a subscription to play them on the successor, I bought it, if it can be played on current consoles then I should get it. There is no legal reason they have to tell me no if it’s backwards compatible. An If PlayStation wants to make a membership successor they need to change a few things:
-Free membership:anything you purchased on psp, ps3, ps4 will all be free to play on ps5 as you paid for those games. At least main party games (got of war, jak and daxster, Spyro, crash, medi evil, ape escape, ect.). As well all free to play games are free multiplayer.
-Base model:paid multiplayer, 3 free games (1 current, 1backwards compatible), and deals for the PlayStation store
-“Game pass”:all first party from backwards compatible and current (3-6 months old games), all exclusives to PlayStation consoles, select indie and third party partnerships added to the list monthly, have a min of 3-4 month stay time at least, and 1 free current or backwards compatibility game.
-Platinum pass:Basic and “game pass” together, in addition to greater deals on multiplayer PlayStation store, and 1 additional current game(so total games you get for free is 2 current, 1 current/backwards compat, and 1 backwards compat)
An many may say “but that’s a lot of free games” and all I really have to say is look at their backwards compatible library they could reach from! So many hits! So long as Sony makes their backwards compatibility team bigger and they have the funding and time, they have so many games!
I don’t know until I see it ultimate game pass is worth it I didn’t say it was worth it until I got it but the PS Now that’s been here since 2013 that costed $99 a year wasn’t worth it ultimate game pass doesn’t just give you first party games it gives you Gold EA Access it gives you quests to complete for points you can change to money with game pass alone it’s not worth to subscribe every month you subscribe when they add games your interested in playing big first party games to try them that I can’t say for PS Now cause they don’t have games I want to try
That would’ve been amazing to fight flying manatees in Demons Souls
Thing is I got ps now for a year for £50, so I don’t see the value in this if they are just going to bolt these together. Sounds a bit of a piss take in comparison to game pass, it will backfire if they try I think.
We definitely want more out of whatever this plan ends up being that's for sure.
Tom and Lucy's opinion on Horizon Forbidden West...WTF??????? She prefers a game in a fantasy world but with a stupid stamina bar for all moves compared to the Perfection of Horizon! Tom, I don't understand how he played without knowing the Zero Dawn story, it's so much a continuation of the game, so much références!!!
It's a fair opinion and they aren't alone in that, I think Elden Ring does a better job of creating curiosity and leading you minimally to discover that, whereas Horizon tells you hey there this really cool thing over here and when you reach it, it just nails the execution, payoff and delivers even better on this cool area you heard a rumor about, and many of the areas are just jaw-droppingly gorgeous at times. It's two different design styles and each will certainly attract different portions of the audience. As for the going in blind to a sequel, I do my best to play chronologically because that's just my personality and what I enjoy, but I understand jumping into HFW blind, the first game is a time commitment and there are so many games to play, that's it's nearly impossible to play every new release and the previous game in the series for our line of work. Also, it's good to help determine how well the developers onboard other people who never played the first one.
Will only worth it if they bring all ps3 games as downloadable content , I cant believe Dead space is not playable on PS5 nor on PS4
No, absolutely not it’s completely tone deaf to not have a subscription service and not offer Spider-Man 2 or Wolverine day 1 , my thoughts are instead of using the price keep it the same and just offer game pass on the PlayStation otherwise you are not going to compete in the long run
Majority of the human race is Asian and yet it's hard to make an Asian looking character on most games. If anyone has a complaint, it's them.
if its like gamepass where they charge 160 a year for 90% old stuff you can easily buy in cex for single figures then no . I hate this digital only fad tbh xbox series s and ps5 digital belong in a bomb fire .
Half these games you can’t even see your character
Its weird to watch this now as I actually care what their saying since I got a ps5 🤪
Congratulations and welcome to the PS5 Squad!
Congrats on securing a PS5! Hope you enjoy it (and don't forget to play Astro's Playroom!)
Hard pass on Spartacus... same with Game Pass... not interested in promoting where these companies are heading.
Gamepass is superior, I'm paying plus and it just not justify the price for that service
I don't think there's any chance they put big exclusives on the service day 1 as they don't need to given how well Sony's first party games sell. When you have first party exclusives selling 20m copies over its lifetime as Horizon recently did & I think spiderman sold 8m over its first year or something why would you put them on a subscription day 1.
And if the XB1 had been more competitive with the PS4 and if Microsoft had been doing the same sort of sales figures for its first party exclusives i doubt game pass would exist in the form it does.
I think i also saw not long ago that game pass still isn't making Microsoft a profit. They can probably be OK with that for a while as they have a lot of cash from elsewhere but in the longer term it needs to become profitable I'd think. Sony also likely couldn't deal with the lost revenue from game sales like Microsoft can.
If sony like to sell those first party games why they need a subscription like gamepass, Sony is so stingy
if the new playstation subscription tries to be or beat gamepass its gonna be a disaster. Sony is just not in the right place to beat gamepass. it should offer playstation centric incentives to try. game trials, and "cloud saves" are so lame. they feel like things that I should already have and for free but they're not. so it makes me upset.
a mix of Nintendo online with the virtual consoles to play old exclusives and a more expanded catalog style of essential games to play would feel good to pay for. I dont even want to pay for virtual console monthly I rather just buy them but it's better than what we have now.
you cannot beat Netflix by being a shittier Netflix. netflix is shitty enough. you have to become Disney+ or HBO max: a specialized catalog with a bit of depth but going for a more niche market than an everyman market.
If it rolls out as mentioned. It’s not as good or competing with Xbox. Hope it’s better than what they mentioned. Not paying any more for old games, because I barely have time to play new ones. If I am going to pay more monthly then I want new games part of it.
Nope not a chance. Not with the value that Xbox GamePass has to offer.
Sacred Symbols!
The content don't convince me
Green lives matter 💚
If they don’t put Sony first party day one then why subscribe. Do better Sony.
Too expensive for Sony.
Nope!
Who cares what your person looks like just play the game🤣
"They aren't the biggest games in the world." Downplaying Gamepass.. 🤣🤣🤣 how about mention how xbox is putting all of their 1st party titles in gamepass and how Playstation won't do that?? 🤔🤔 weird..
We literally made the point that we don't think Playstation will put their games on the service day one because they like to tout sales numbers over the first weekend. There are lots of great games that come to Gamepass, but besides Halo and Forza its been mostly smaller titles, and older exclusives that have been in the market for years, I'm sure it will shake that opinion for most when games like Redfall, Starfield, TES6, and more start releasing on GP.
I have so many questions, but I leave you with this #beyond two of sony playstation ip drop two weeks apart. It appears the way beyond is covering them seems like a flash in the pan. Like come on Horizons forbidden west #GT7 why so little fan service? This is beyond me. A playstation podcast seems more eager to discuss services in which 70% of consumers have little to no interest in. Please for the love of video games show some love to those prospective gamers I mention earlier. Have a great day 😀 😊
We've been talking about Horizon Forbidden West for the last month so definitely check out some of our past episodes if you missed them. As for GT7 none of us have had any playtime with GT yet. We will definitely have more discussions on GT7 and Ghostwire Tokyo as we get to access and play it, and can talk more beyond what little we've seen so far. Schedules don't always align for having certain guests on that are experts in various games, we are working to have Luke our car and racing game expert on the show to chat about GT7 so we have someone that can give you the most authentic and informative opinions on it. So hang in there we are working to make that happen for all our car enthusiasts in the audience. We will definitely talk more about games like Ghostwire Tokyo, God of War, and other big sony games as we get closer to their launch and we either get hands-on or get more information via trailers and state of plays.
@@jadarina5035 great ! Good to hear. I'm aware of previous shows, but you're right,so many games such little time to cover them all. Welcome aboard the podcast , you're contribution is surely welcome. 😀
@@Disinfectantanime exactly trust me we would love to cover everything but like you said definitely so much good stuff to cover that some things just get less time than others. Thanks for being a fan of the show I'm definitely looking forward to chatting about GT7 and more when we get the chance.
@@jadarina5035 be well!
@@Disinfectantanime you too and Beyond!
PS putting BC behind a paywall, just like cloud saves. Way to be pro consumer PS. 😜🤔🤦♂️😒👌
Yea it’s terrible. Idk how ppl justify this.
Why do u care so much about having a game look just like u? I play a female character. It's a game
That’s you personally. I’m black and would want my character to atleast have black features. Not just a tanned white guy.
Paying top tier to get demo's? Seriously?? Take the L Sony
@@daksans6764 and charging more per month too
And yet it will still have more subs than Gamepass 🤣
I sorry I thought this was a Playstation channel. Not the bash on Playstation and praise Xbox game pass. Every week these guys who claim they aren't fans of either system. Won't let us rest without knocking everything Sony does. Aloy is annoying, I want game pass, give me more it's not enough over and over. Very disappointing 😞.
Two weeks ago we spent an hour and a half gushing about how much Mark, Jada, and I loved Horizon, the week before that we praised a PlayStation console exclusive indie (Sifu) and talked about our hype for another console exclusive coming up (Ghostwire). The week before that we talked about how Sony's Bungie buy was a smart step in their wider expansionary plans. There are endless examples of us cheering on moves and games by Sony, but we're not a Sony PR show - we analyze, praise, and criticize PlayStation at large. That has always been true of this show, and while fandoms may have changed with changing casts over time, that hasn't stopped being true, anbd we're not going to stop someone from being on the show just because they have a criticism of Sony. Caring about something MEANS you both praise what works and criticize what doesn't to hope it improves.
Horizon is boring. I bought it and was like really? Sure it looks good but that’s it. It’s so boring and slow and made badly as far as gameplay. Bow shot roll repeat…….it’s a okay game wrapped in hype.