I liked phantom menace and revenge of the sith but the whole midi chlorians didn't change the Idea of the force for me. It never made the force a product of science and never took the mystical principle away. I just looked at it as another way to show the existence of the force. Much like how people came up with scientific theories on the existence of God.
I may have said it before on a Council vid, but I like Revenge of the Sith, but dislike the first two. Having said that, I still believe that the overall story behind the prequels is literally brilliant stuff, minus the amount of time spent on the trade federation in the earlier times. palpatine's plan, anakin's history as a slave, his desire to free his mother through power, fear of loss, obi wan losing his grip on anakin, everything on kamino, changing perception of the jedi council, obi wan playing detective in attack of the clones, etc. are really awesome conceptually. i honestly think that, had they been executed as well as the originals, they could've given them a run for their money (especially ROTJ because sometimes i actually prefer ROTS over that). the screenplay just lacked so much it's really a shame such an awesome story didn't get realized. gungans? come on. a trade federation as the villain? come on. emotionless jedi? why? it goes on and on.
I hope they reboot them. If they were successful then we might still have gotten novels or comics from that time period with a Anakin or Obi Wan story. Rebooting probably won't happen for canon reasons but God I hate how that story was terribly executed. I even think it's up to par with the original trilogy for a story. Maybe even a better story. Just not executed as well as the originals.
The amount of depth that Lucas goes into with the Political aspects of the Republic and what really lead to it's fall is brilliantly well thought out, but all of that stuff should of been backdrop to the other stuff instead of center stage.
+Xavier Taylor I loved Revenge of the Sith, but there were some bad dialogue parts, like anything Mace Windu said. I thought the Phantom Menace started out terrific until we meet Anakin as a little kid. Liam Neeson's performance was terrific and wasted. Attack of the Clones was horrendous because Lucas didn't understand when to have dialogue and when not to have dialogue. Example, instead of having Anakin complain about Obi Wan being "critical" he should have shown more of their disagreements and when they complimented each other. This is something both of the Clone Wars animated series did well.
There is nothing wrong with the Midichlorians. They only are life forms that allow living being to communicate with the force. They are not the force. The force is still a big mysterious thing with lots of mystery and wonder. The Clone Wars showed this in several of the episodes. It makes sense that after thousands of years with advance technology that the Jedi would be able to use science to determine if someone has the potential for training. Now I don't necessarily believe that just having a high Midichlorian count means you become the most powerful Jedi by default. Training and discipline can be more important to a Jedi being strong in the force then just a high Midichlorian count. Despite Anakin having the highest, Obi Wan Kenobi, an average Jedi who had far more training and discipline was able to defeat Anakin. The training in the higher mysteries of the force are what make Jedi or Sith so powerful. Not just having a high count. The Midichlorians need to be there in the age of the prequels because it makes no sense that a society with that much technology would not have a scientific system to detect force sensitivity. Now there isn't really much need to reference them in Episode 7 because the advance knowledge of the Jedi might no longer be accessible like it was before to our force sensitive characters.
Midichlorians reside in all living things, so it's still a matter of learning and connecting to the Force, not a matter of, "Well you don't have Midichlorians? Guess you can't be a Jedi."
Peter Fisher It was set up that you communicate with the force via your thoughts and emotions. The force was beyond the physical, and you communicate with it with your mind. How do force ghosts exist then when ghosts don't have blood? Do they magically turn into the force itself? Rubbish. It doesn't make sense. The force is beyond the physical and you tap into that with your mind. Do christians talk to God because of their blood? No. It's their mind. It's beyond the physical. That's the whole point.
Peter Fisher I just like the possibility that Anakin could have been even stronger than Yoda, that's the most intriguing part about the Midi.. conversation.
the only way i can (arguably) stomach midi-clorians is after reading the Darth Plagueis book and the way they were explained and expanded on in that story. i view it like this: after the destruction of the Jedi order, the jedi understanding/perspective on midi-clorians and the force were lost along with it. Therefore there is no need to bring it up in TFA because that knowledge/perspective was lost years before ANH.
Makes a lot of sense. Would be cool if he figured it out in the Obi wan spin off movie. It would be like Ewan McGregor making fun of the prequels and now in a good Star Wars movie lol
Having an alternative name is a staple in the Star Wars universe. Palpatine and Sidious are one of the same. Padme and Queen Amidala, Ben and Obi Wan Kenobi, etc. so I would not be surprised to see this trope continue.
reza farsad If he would have known he would have hunt him down till the end because with him alive it means that the Jedi Order has a chance to survive. Basically no he wouldn't be as sure as he was conquering the galaxy knowing Yoda is still out there somewhere.
ScRreaMzESports well in EPIII after the fight, the storm troopers told the emperor that they couldnt find his body, he said "then he is not dead, double your search."..!!! so he knew he was not dead . Sure he was searching for him all those years as he hunted down every last Jedi. But its a Huge galaxy you know, and he has a galactic empire he needs to rule ;) plus yoda was in a faar planet doing nothing at all. how can you find him when the guy has no act at all?
Thank goodness for The Clone Wars! It made the hated prequel characters actually good. Grievous is awesome, Anakin is awesome, Darth Maul is awesome, the Clones are actually individuals and heck even Jar Jar Binks was used appropriately in most of his appearances.
I'm an old-school Star Wars fan who grew up with the original trilogy in the '70's and '80's. I think it's part of my DNA! But I also like the prequels, and midichlorians did nothing to change my perception about the Force. Midichlorians are a minor detail, included only to tell us that there was something different about Anakin. The Force is still a mysterious "energy field created by all living things that surrounds us and penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." With midichlorians we know that the tie to the force is very deep - reaching us at a cellular level as well as the spiritual level. It's a strong connection. Critics of the prequels are certainly entitled to their opinion, but don't put words into the mouths of other Star Wars fans. This midichlorian "controversy," such as it is, really amounts to nothing. The only people who elevate the issue are prequel detractors. It's just not a big deal, and perhaps if it weren't taken so seriously by some prequel critics then we could all relax a bit and have fun with these stories that we love.
I love the prequels as much as the orig trig, and I never had a problem with midi-chlorians. It always made perfect sense to me, and no one has ever been able to give me a good explanation as to why they hate it. I was reading the books as a little kid and it was established that only certain people were force-sensitive. That existed before the Phantom Menace, so the only thing that did was put a name to an already existing phenomenon.
Thursday's are the best Jedi council is my favorite show anywhere now I cannot wait every week to watch it great work to everyone who is involved and thank you!!!
I predict that one of the climactic scenes of episode 7 will be the death of Han Solo. Scene: Amidst the chaos of battle, Han is dealt a fatal blow. He lies in Leia's lap as Chewie and others look on and fend off enemies. Leia looks down at him, knowing he's dying, smiles through teary eyes. Epic Star Wars music plays in the background. Han, witty till the end, and through pained words, jokes about their life together and how he always knew she'd be the end of him. Leia smiles as she cries and tells him he's still a scruffy looking nerf herder. Han looks at Leia, and says, "I love you" Leia smiles, tears running down her eyes, and replies in a shaky voice, "I know" Han smiles at that.... And takes his last breath.
Tim Remington I think a bigger emotional response would be had if Han died in Chewie's arms. Their friendship was always one of my favorite parts of the original trilogy. I'm a grown man, but I'd be in tears if that happened.
I had a much bigger problem with medichlorians in the phantom menace then I do now. The Clone Wars did a good Job retconning or clarifying them to make much more sense with the whole living force vs cosmic force thing, so I am ok with it as long as we NEVER again go into the scientific mechanics of the force.
love this show, Always look forward to it... There has definitely been an awakening other than in my pants!! so excited i just came and there's Midi-chlorians everywhere...
To Emperor Harloff: Regarding Midi-Chlorians.. Star Wars has been a huge factor in my life growing up, probably more so now with things like Battle front, Force Unleashed, KOTOR etc. I enjoyed the prequels, mostly because it was my first experience seeing Star Wars on the big screen. The prequels aren't perfect, and neither is the original trilogy (Ewoks aka Care bears). Regarding midi chlorians, now when Qui-Gon was explaining that whole thing in Episode 1 it didn't bother me as much as maybe an older fan. As far as taking away from the "magic", I'm not sure I agree. It's Star Wars. Something as little as that shouldn't affect the way the saga is perceived. I'm fine with it not being acknowledged going forward but I also feel like it was important for it to be addressed at that point in the past so when 4 comes along the Force truly is a mystical presence cause the Jedi are wiped out etc. P.
Many former Jedi survived the Purge however Yoda is still not wrong because technically he said no Jedi existed not no former Jedi existed. Everyone on Rebels could survive and Yoda's words will still be correct just as long as all Jedi are either dead, exiled, injured, resting, or went against Jedi teachings making them no longer Jedi. It's very easy to have surviving Jedi without hurting the story.
Why don't people like midichlorions, from a science based view they are amazing as they provide us with the means of quantifying the force based on and individuals midichlorion count?
to be honest, as someone who grew up with the prequels, I did now like the medi clorians. its like someone explaining to me the anatomy of god or something, just takes away the whole marvel about it
For the DVD covers: 1. Jar Jar Binks 2. Little Boy Boba 3. Nute Gunray 4. Garindan 5. The dead Tauntaun(so it has a dead looking face) 6. The rancor owner(with a tear streaming down his face)
If it were me, and I chose who'd be on the covers of the steelbooks, I'd choose: The Phantom Menace: Qui-Gon Jinn Attack of the Clones: Obi-Wan Kenobi Revenge of the Sith: Darth Vader (before the suit) A New Hope: Luke Skywalker The Empire Strikes Back: Darth Vader (with the suit) Return of the Jedi: Darth Sidious The Force Awakens: Kylo Ren
I was always fine with Midi-Chlorians because the way I understand them is they are the things that connect us to The Force. I think there is great story potential behind that. And the idea of being strong in the force has always existed.
I'll never understand the problem Star Wars fans have with 'midi-clorians', yeah sure I know the reason they give 'it takes away the magic/mystery from the force' but to me it doesn't
What is often forgotten about Star Wars is that it was toys books and other merchandise that kept Star Wars alive. The first films came out at a time when video tape was just becoming accessible to the population but most films back then could not be shown on TV until several years after the film was shown in cinemas and even longer before it was available to buy on Betamax and VHS and often very expensive. If you wanted to see a film again you literally had to find a cinema still showing the film. What a remarkable time we live in for a fan next year I will be watching Star Wars the force awakens at home on Blue-ray.
Guys, as I said in a previous post, the idea of midi-clorians as a bridge between physical reality and the mystery of the force is very similar to the work of two prominent physicists, Stuart Hammeroff & Roger Penrose. They've postulated that microtubules in human cells act a such a bridge linking us to what they called "Quantum Consciousness" - the collective universal mind we all share, aka (in Star Wars) The Force. If you've studied any of this type of theory and especially if you've been involved in meditative/contemplative traditions, either eastern or western, midi-clorians make sense!
I love the prequels the OT had better acting but the PT did some amazing world building making the universe far more ripe for Disney. No one knows how Midi-chlorians interact with the force exactly... Midi-chlorians never weigh heavy on my mind. I probably would not even know the term Midi-chlorians if not for the haters. When I think about the force I tend to wonder what other kinds of cool powers people could get from it and how will it evolve in future films.
I grew up with the Prequels and enjoy them. I recognize their many flaws and I understand the hate. But whining about the midichlorians is so STUPID. It sounds like my 3 year old when I tell him he can't eat candy before dinner. We're Star Wars fans, not cry babies. It's just one more thing that people have to try to find things to justify their hate for the prequels. ***** Schmoes Know watch the ***** Star Wars. They make the midichlorians lovable. Anakin- "What are midichlorians?" Qui-Gon- "It's heroin."
I must say that after watching the SDCC panel again Adam Driver gets asked, well who are you? He replies that's a good question. He gets announced as Kylo Ren he could have easily said that. So its possible that Kylo Ren is not his real name or just another handle.
Anthony Ingruber Should be the next Han Solo. He sounds and gives off that impression of Han Solo. Just get him some voice acting to really beef it up and I think he'll do perfect as the character.
I had a problem with midichlorians at first, but after watching The Clone Wars and its somewhat better explanation of how they relate to the force, I've learned to be okay with it. I mean it's canon, so what choice do I have. :)
Re: Starwars rebels - One part that makes me think there is no overlap from Rebels to Episode IV, is the preview for season 2 includes the A-Wing and B-Wing. Under Legends those fighters were portrayed as new models but under the new cannon they appear before we have seen a Headhunter let alone an X-Wing. This could easily mean the Rebellion is not centralized in episode IV, hence no appearance of them or their equipment in Episode IV but in the Episode VI Endor assault all the rebels are brought together.
In reference to the new Blu Ray releases, I have the VHS boxset of the original trilogy with their original movie poster covers, VHS boxset for the "Digitally Remastered" versions, the full VHS boxset of the Special Editions. Plus I have all 6 movies on the DVD set, and the full BluRay set from a couple years ago. Not sure if I'll be getting these however unless they have something else that the first BluRay set doesn't have.
Love how episode 7's story was the culmination of a group of people rather than one freaking dude! Lucas did a brilliant job with the OT but he had total creative control on the PT, surrounded by yes men who didn't challenge Lucas creatively at any point.
Ok the prequels are bad but wtf are you talking about? The original trilogy had Han and Leia (the couple) separately off doing something else while Luke was off doing another thing. Same thing with the prequels. Anakin and Padme (the couple) were mostly off doing something else while Obi Wan was off doing another thing. Still a group of characters to focus on. Even the emperor in 3 was very much more focused than other characters.
In defense of midi-chlorians: Part of the prequels were to show that Anakin's fall to the dark side was just as much the Jedi Order's fault as it was his own. Their fall came from the self-righteousness that assumed all feelings of passion were meant to be shut out. Their hubris extended to the claim that their technology and quantifying of the force through midi-chlorians was a viable way of assessing force prowess. When they ultimately fall, the shift in the original trilogy back to a more naturalistic view of the force is more powerful. Midi-chlorians show the presumptions and weaknesses of the Jedi in the prequels, and their notable absence in the originals demonstrate how a person's feelings and gut instincts, when interpreted correctly, can be much more valuable than a reliance on technology.
I love the prequels and I love midi-chlorians. You can argue that Jar Jar is dumb and you may eventually make me hate him, but you will never make me dislike midi-chlorians. Without them force is dumbed down to boring magic. I like having SCI in sfi-fi. I mean why aren't you bashing Marvel for stating that Asgardians aren't really gods and that their "magic" is basically just very advanced science? Technology is pretty advanced in the Star Wars universe, so why should they be completely ignorant about the force?
I live in Ireland where there isn't any comic book store near me , but I'm thinking of getting so off Amazon , which star wars comics do you recommend . I would love if you tell me thx
The concept of Midi-Chlorians seems like it was just thrown in the script only as a means to quantify or measure sensitivity to the force. That is to show and prove that Anakin was the chosen one. He had the highest Midi-Chlorians count ever seen, even more so than Yoda. Therefore he had the potential to be the most powerful force yielder ever known to man.
I really like the idea of midichlorians because it solves the mystery of why some people are stronger with the force than others. It ends debates on why little old yoda could defeat let's say a group of young physically strong sith.
I love the prequels, and I used to have a problem with midichlorians, but not anymore. It didn't make sense to me that some mitochondria like creatures make the force, but I read that they were actually just indicators of it's presence. They develop in a person that has a strong connection to the force, that's all. That's why I don't hate the idea of the midichlorians anymore. My only problem is that I always confuse the words midichlorians and Mandalorians, but whatever :)
I'm not a fan of any of the prequels - both Clone Wars shows are good. I could write a book, literally, but I actually don't mind the idea of Midi-chlorians. That is purely because of the novel (not canon, but probably really is considered canon like the Old Republic) "Darth Plagueis". The way they treated Midi-chlorians in that book was actually really interesting, and if Lucasfilm actually did something like they did in that novel, I wouldn't mind Midi-chlorians being brought back up. I also think that Anakin should have been created by Palpatine (I refuse to call him Darth Sidious, I mean why not just call him Darth Sinister...?) and Plagues - with the help of Midi-chlorians manipulation - as almost a clone of Palpatine and Plagueis, but that is an entirely different discussion.
I feel the midi-chlorians were a necessary way to describe why young Anakin should be trained, if not, then it would have been harder for Qui-gon to make his point for the training of Anakin
Also, the midichlorians thing has long annoyed me. Midichlorians NEVER were the Force. That's not at all what Qui-Gon said or George Lucas meant. They were microorganisms that live in everyone, and are in a more dense concentration around those that are strong in the Force. That's all. If Midichlorians are there, fine. If not, then fine as well. Just wish everyone would actually understand this...
So the Medichlorian issue is one that I don't have a problem rationalizing. It's in my head-canon that those life forms are ways to measure force sensitivity indirectly as they are found inside environments (people) particularly strong with the force. After all is the force has such a strong connection to the process of giving life to and the death of physical bodies then it's not too far of a stretch. Anakin was potentially an aspect of the force incarnated and it's possible the Medichlorians are no different, they're simply less complex life-forms. Medichlorians were obviously a tool to explain Anakin's unusual case as a Jedi recruit and were perhaps mishandled but they could have been worked into the lore IMO if they had been handled with greater care.
I completely agree with Kristian in hoping that kylo ren is a relic hunter and that they use that to bring in a lot of the sith history because it is so damn interesting and something that really could be used more in the films. I also am holding out hope that smoke might be plagueis and that's another sith I would love to see but that's another discussion
In regards to the Kylo Ren name issue, potential Spolier Alert... I noticed a change in the name of the Daisley Ridley speeder name from displays at celebration to comic con. Celebration had Kira's Speeder on the placard and then at comic on it said Rey's Speeder. What if her full name is Kira Rey and his is Kylo Ren as brother and sister, and they are the solo twins. The names match like Brooke and Brent?
I recently watched Empire Strikes Back on the big screen at the @secretcinema Event in London - it was AWESOME!!! This was a fully interactive event and I felt part of the Star Wars universe...We got to interact with Han Solo Chewbacca Boba fett Obi wan C3PO R2-D2 to name a few
When it comes to Star Wars I feed off information therefore I loved that there was scientific reasoning of the force. Science>Magic, Star Wars is way better when it's dark and realistic rather than being magical and cheesy.
Is it just me or will anyone be disappointed in if Ray or Kylo Ren aren't the kids to Han and Leia. I feel like I'm building up my own disappointment. I even feel like it's not going to happen since its a generic story and everyone will see it coming but even with that, I still want it to happen.
For the ones who still find it difficult to understand and WANT to be accepting of an explanation. Midichlorian is really just another word for what the Traditional Chinese Medicine mentions as Qui Energy. Everybody has it in their cells, it is everywhere and it is what´s connecting us to each other; a life flow and the more you are in tune with it, the more it flows through you! So that means every life form has "midichlorians" in their blood/cells. Your father had it, I mean has it :) Your sister/brother. Your neighbor. Your dog. Your cactus. So people stop crying cause YOU HAVE THAT POWER TOO ;) The more you learn about it and the more conscious you get, the more it flows in YOU! So, in the movie, they were just measuring if Anakin was already, without training, very much in tune with the force; energy Qui, life spirit, midichlorians or whatever you wanna call it. Cause sometimes you don´t have to know about the existence of the "force" to live with and in the "force" just like some people who are just organically more in tune with themselves and life than others without really thinking about it. This explanation does not take ANY of the magic away! Personally it makes it more real and I don`t get it if they are intentionally going to ignore it only because they cannot wrap their minds around it, what has become a "popular" opinion when it is really something so simple! George, I feel you man on this!
The covers are similar to the VHS trilogy released in 1995 the first one was Vader , The Empire Strikes Back was a Storm Trooper and Return Of The Jedi was Yoda.
"With so much about the character shrouded in mystery, the one thing we thought we knew for certain about Kylo Ren was that he was named 'Kylo Ren.' However, Abrams revealed that’s not actually his birth name. In fact, the 'Ren' part isn’t a name at all." - Slashfilm
I don't think Adam Driver is playing a Skywalker. I think it'd be too jarring to have a murderous villain and then make him be a Hero's offspring. Now, Dom Gleeson looks like a Skywalker.
You guys have said that John boyega won't be zare leonis from rebels because of his age, but what about his son? Finn leonis rolls off the tongue pretty nicely to me
I really enjoyed the prequels and really enjoyed how Lucas dove deeper into the mystery of the jedi and the force, but I didn't really read too far into the midi-clorian references. It was cool how they explained that midi-clorians is what separates jedi from everyone else and how they used it to develop Anakins story as the chosen one in the Phantom Menace, but other than that, I didn't affect the story for me, it was just another element that was added to explain how Jedi are discovered. At this point in the star wars saga and how far removed from the prequesl we are chronologically, I wouldn't care if JJ kept the midi-clorians, I don't think it would really make a difference for the story either way.
My preferred characters for the steelbooks would be Darth Maul: Episode I, Jango Fett or clone trooper: Episode II, The Emperor: Episode III, Luke Skywalker: Episode IV, Darth Vader: Episode V and Anakin Skywalker: Episode VI (as Hayden Christensen).
I am thinking that if a Force user survives Rebels, (Hera and the other non-force users could be in the gallery at the end of NH) that Force user will be in Rouge One and will be the reason Leia got away from Vader long enough to get to Tat.
Growing up watching the original series, I had always thought that the Imperial Guards were what we now know the Inquisitors to be. I thought they had low level Force abilities and seemed pretty scary.
Love love the show 1. How about the idea, that maybe the adam driver character kylo ren, may be an undercover agent for the forces of good. That would be a awesome twist. In reguards to that may not be his real name, could be skywalker or Solo child. 2. you guys seem so sure on jj No on midi chlorians? Is this not the same guy who had said no khan in Star Treks into darkness ? Not that I'm midi fan ... Just saying
I think midichlorians is a good way to place a value on how powerful a jedi or sith is in the force. it was cool to know that a kid had more midi's then a yoda.
I'm a fan of the prequels and I never had a problem with midichlorians. They Force is still a mystical energy, it's just that midichlorians explain why not just anyone can pick up a lightsaber. It's also a way to measure Force to show that Anakin is unusually stronger with the Force than most Jedi, rather than just saying "He has more Force than most Jedi."
What do people think of the idea that the Imperial Guards were actually the Knights of Ren. I don't have any thing to back it up, just a thought. We were always lead to believe that they were not to be messed with because of their training. Were they force sensitive? Who trained them or how were they trained?
I think the novel Plagueis actually makes midi-clorians interesting concept. And he may well be Snoke in The Force Awakens. If you despise midi-clorians and feel it ruins the mystery of the Force, fine I understand. But there's actually some very interesting elements explored particularly in the Lost Mission episodes of The Clone Wars series.
I just have this feeling that princess Leigh is the new "dark emperor". There have been supposed pictures of Adam Driver as an X wing pilot and princess Leigh looks like the person in charge in the scene with her in a hanger. I could see Driver being her son and Leigh using him as her sith pawn to keep this new and wavering republic from crumbling by undertaking secret missions for her, hence the mask that covers his whole face. Basically I see Leigh using Kylo Ren through the connection of him being her son to do what she thinks is right. Leigh won't be an outright villain in the typical sense but her actions will be very dictator like.
I like one of Mark's comments from much earlier this year. He said his little brother wanted them to refer to Midichlorians the way we refer to the theory that the Earth was flat back in the day.
lets not forget they can totally get rid of the midichlorian thing by saying,"oh we misunderstood the way the force works." btw, i misspelled midichlorian and spell check corrected me...i guess they are cannon...
Midi-chlorians could be re-explained (perhaps not in the movies) as a life form that feed off the force making it a good indication of a person’s connection to the force rather than the actual force. They could act as a sort of bridge between the force and the force sensitive being making it easier to gain knowledge about the force. It would be no means be perfect but it would reduce the harm of Ep. 1
I get that Jar Jar was a bit of a distraction and had FAAAAARRRR too much screen time that could have been Darth Maul's and the Jedi.. That said, I don't entirely understand what the big problem is with the midi chorians? I like that it's not just a 'magic' and there is a scientific and chemical explanation to the power only few carry. It also scales how much power you have which is more like comic book characters. I never had a problem with it. There are far bigger issues and the largest in my book is Darth Maul not having any sort of character arch or much screen time at all in ep 1. He tracks the Jedi and duels. That's it!!!???
Let's take a look at Simon Kingberg's feature film writing credits: X-Men Days of Future Past - Awesome Star Wars Rebels - Good This Means War- Bad Sherlock Holmes - Meh Jumper - Awful Mr. and Mrs. Smith - Ok X-Men the Last Stand - Awful xXx: State of the Union - Beyond Terrible So he's 2 for 8. Maybe 3 for 8. It seems like Days of Future Past is the exception not that rule.
On the "comics" I would suggest looking into subscripting to Marvel Unlimited. All of the titles will be available on MU 6 months after being released. StarWars first 2 issues are now available.
What if when YODA says "no there is another" he's referring to Snoke, Ezra, or at least someone in episode 7, that would be PHENOMENAL and extremely CHILLING.
I don't mind the midi-chlorians. How else do you explain why the force is so strong in the Skywalker lineage? If anyone can be trained then why didn't Obi-Wan/Yoda just find others to become Jedi?
Wasn't part of the downfall of the Jedi is that they were wrong about midi-chlorians? In the Clone Wars episodes where Yoda learns to talk to the force ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn, it is heavily inferred that there is a lot about the force the Jedi don't know. The Jedi Council was dogmatic in their ideas of the force (ie. midi-chlorians), but Yoda discovered that "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." It's all part of the irony that Yoda discovered what Anakin was seeking by joining the dark side, and how Palpatine turned the whole Jedi Order to the Dark Side (dogmatic views of the force such as midi-chlorians, becoming state-sponsered religious militarism) rendering them blind and inert against him. So the only thing Luke would maybe know about midi-chlorians in the Force Awakens is that they were misleading the Jedi in the past. So there's no reason for them to be in the Force Awakens. No retconning necessary.
wait a sec -- at ~53:30 they're talking about a Star Wars marathon in theaters. Does that mean I could go see the OT in theaters?? I'd love to do that since I never got the chance to (not being born yet when they came out...)
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I liked phantom menace and revenge of the sith but the whole midi chlorians didn't change the Idea of the force for me. It never made the force a product of science and never took the mystical principle away. I just looked at it as another way to show the existence of the force. Much like how people came up with scientific theories on the existence of God.
I agree
The Force is much more powerful than God.
Gregory Castillo finally a smart person
Michael Bailey umm quite
I may have said it before on a Council vid, but I like Revenge of the Sith, but dislike the first two. Having said that, I still believe that the overall story behind the prequels is literally brilliant stuff, minus the amount of time spent on the trade federation in the earlier times. palpatine's plan, anakin's history as a slave, his desire to free his mother through power, fear of loss, obi wan losing his grip on anakin, everything on kamino, changing perception of the jedi council, obi wan playing detective in attack of the clones, etc. are really awesome conceptually. i honestly think that, had they been executed as well as the originals, they could've given them a run for their money (especially ROTJ because sometimes i actually prefer ROTS over that). the screenplay just lacked so much it's really a shame such an awesome story didn't get realized. gungans? come on. a trade federation as the villain? come on. emotionless jedi? why? it goes on and on.
I hope they reboot them. If they were successful then we might still have gotten novels or comics from that time period with a Anakin or Obi Wan story. Rebooting probably won't happen for canon reasons but God I hate how that story was terribly executed. I even think it's up to par with the original trilogy for a story. Maybe even a better story. Just not executed as well as the originals.
The amount of depth that Lucas goes into with the Political aspects of the Republic and what really lead to it's fall is brilliantly well thought out, but all of that stuff should of been backdrop to the other stuff instead of center stage.
They won't reboot them, but hey maybe we'll get a "Special Edition" for the Prequels;)
+Xavier Taylor I loved Revenge of the Sith, but there were some bad dialogue parts, like anything Mace Windu said. I thought the Phantom Menace started out terrific until we meet Anakin as a little kid. Liam Neeson's performance was terrific and wasted. Attack of the Clones was horrendous because Lucas didn't understand when to have dialogue and when not to have dialogue. Example, instead of having Anakin complain about Obi Wan being "critical" he should have shown more of their disagreements and when they complimented each other. This is something both of the Clone Wars animated series did well.
Well technically, they did have a Clone Wars movie but it was just animated. I actually thought it was decent. Not amazing but pretty good.
There is nothing wrong with the Midichlorians. They only are life forms that allow living being to communicate with the force. They are not the force. The force is still a big mysterious thing with lots of mystery and wonder. The Clone Wars showed this in several of the episodes. It makes sense that after thousands of years with advance technology that the Jedi would be able to use science to determine if someone has the potential for training.
Now I don't necessarily believe that just having a high Midichlorian count means you become the most powerful Jedi by default. Training and discipline can be more important to a Jedi being strong in the force then just a high Midichlorian count. Despite Anakin having the highest, Obi Wan Kenobi, an average Jedi who had far more training and discipline was able to defeat Anakin. The training in the higher mysteries of the force are what make Jedi or Sith so powerful. Not just having a high count.
The Midichlorians need to be there in the age of the prequels because it makes no sense that a society with that much technology would not have a scientific system to detect force sensitivity. Now there isn't really much need to reference them in Episode 7 because the advance knowledge of the Jedi might no longer be accessible like it was before to our force sensitive characters.
Midichlorians reside in all living things, so it's still a matter of learning and connecting to the Force, not a matter of, "Well you don't have Midichlorians? Guess you can't be a Jedi."
Noah Fortner Yes I believe in the canon all life forms have midichlorians. Some legends species did not I think.
ScRreaMzESports Absolutely science can't explain the force at all. Only what is happening physically in the body when one is strong in the force.
Peter Fisher It was set up that you communicate with the force via your thoughts and emotions. The force was beyond the physical, and you communicate with it with your mind. How do force ghosts exist then when ghosts don't have blood? Do they magically turn into the force itself? Rubbish. It doesn't make sense. The force is beyond the physical and you tap into that with your mind. Do christians talk to God because of their blood? No. It's their mind. It's beyond the physical. That's the whole point.
Peter Fisher I just like the possibility that Anakin could have been even stronger than Yoda, that's the most intriguing part about the Midi.. conversation.
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the only way i can (arguably) stomach midi-clorians is after reading the Darth Plagueis book and the way they were explained and expanded on in that story. i view it like this: after the destruction of the Jedi order, the jedi understanding/perspective on midi-clorians and the force were lost along with it. Therefore there is no need to bring it up in TFA because that knowledge/perspective was lost years before ANH.
Makes a lot of sense. Would be cool if he figured it out in the Obi wan spin off movie. It would be like Ewan McGregor making fun of the prequels and now in a good Star Wars movie lol
+Nic Duffee Yeah that's the explanation I came up with in my head too.
Having an alternative name is a staple in the Star Wars universe. Palpatine and Sidious are one of the same. Padme and Queen Amidala, Ben and Obi Wan Kenobi, etc. so I would not be surprised to see this trope continue.
John Curcio Supreme Leader Snoke AKA Hego Damask AKA Darth Plagueis!! I'm calling it now!
Darth vader-anakin
Darth tyranus- count dooku
ScRreaMzESports i dont think Yoda did deceived the Emperor.. he knew for sure that he survived but Where is he hiding? he didnt know...
reza farsad If he would have known he would have hunt him down till the end because with him alive it means that the Jedi Order has a chance to survive. Basically no he wouldn't be as sure as he was conquering the galaxy knowing Yoda is still out there somewhere.
ScRreaMzESports well in EPIII after the fight, the storm troopers told the emperor that they couldnt find his body, he said "then he is not dead, double your search."..!!! so he knew he was not dead .
Sure he was searching for him all those years as he hunted down every last Jedi. But its a Huge galaxy you know, and he has a galactic empire he needs to rule ;) plus yoda was in a faar planet doing nothing at all. how can you find him when the guy has no act at all?
Thank goodness for The Clone Wars! It made the hated prequel characters actually good. Grievous is awesome, Anakin is awesome, Darth Maul is awesome, the Clones are actually individuals and heck even Jar Jar Binks was used appropriately in most of his appearances.
I'm an old-school Star Wars fan who grew up with the original trilogy in the '70's and '80's. I think it's part of my DNA! But I also like the prequels, and midichlorians did nothing to change my perception about the Force.
Midichlorians are a minor detail, included only to tell us that there was something different about Anakin. The Force is still a mysterious "energy field created by all living things that surrounds us and penetrates us, and binds the galaxy together." With midichlorians we know that the tie to the force is very deep - reaching us at a cellular level as well as the spiritual level. It's a strong connection.
Critics of the prequels are certainly entitled to their opinion, but don't put words into the mouths of other Star Wars fans. This midichlorian "controversy," such as it is, really amounts to nothing. The only people who elevate the issue are prequel detractors. It's just not a big deal, and perhaps if it weren't taken so seriously by some prequel critics then we could all relax a bit and have fun with these stories that we love.
I love the prequels as much as the orig trig, and I never had a problem with midi-chlorians. It always made perfect sense to me, and no one has ever been able to give me a good explanation as to why they hate it. I was reading the books as a little kid and it was established that only certain people were force-sensitive. That existed before the Phantom Menace, so the only thing that did was put a name to an already existing phenomenon.
Thursday's are the best Jedi council is my favorite show anywhere now I cannot wait every week to watch it great work to everyone who is involved and thank you!!!
I predict that one of the climactic scenes of episode 7 will be the death of Han Solo.
Scene: Amidst the chaos of battle, Han is dealt a fatal blow. He lies in Leia's lap as Chewie and others look on and fend off enemies.
Leia looks down at him, knowing he's dying, smiles through teary eyes. Epic Star Wars music plays in the background.
Han, witty till the end, and through pained words, jokes about their life together and how he always knew she'd be the end of him.
Leia smiles as she cries and tells him he's still a scruffy looking nerf herder.
Han looks at Leia, and says, "I love you"
Leia smiles, tears running down her eyes, and replies in a shaky voice, "I know"
Han smiles at that.... And takes his last breath.
I think people care more about how Han dies or if he survives more than the actual scene. No matter how the scene is made it will be very emotional.
Tim Remington I think a bigger emotional response would be had if Han died in Chewie's arms. Their friendship was always one of my favorite parts of the original trilogy. I'm a grown man, but I'd be in tears if that happened.
Tim Remington i never really liked him, he was an egotistic jackass
Tim Remington i never really liked him, he was an egotistic jackass
+Tim Remington I dont think so,it may be a great scene but they are not stupid enough to kill their money making character
Point A to Point B to Point TOILET HAHAHAHAHAHA
Best part of the episode haha. Knew the movie was gonna flop
'Good, goooooooooood! I can feel your anger'. LMAO Kristian, so damn funny!
This is my first Collider Jedi Council and I wish I join sooner.
***** Check out the old show on AMC Theaters channel called AMC Jedi Council if you want to catch up on old episodes. :)
I had a much bigger problem with medichlorians in the phantom menace then I do now. The Clone Wars did a good Job retconning or clarifying them to make much more sense with the whole living force vs cosmic force thing, so I am ok with it as long as we NEVER again go into the scientific mechanics of the force.
John John Binks is back! Time to hate on the Prequels for no reason, haha
love this show, Always look forward to it... There has definitely been an awakening other than in my pants!! so excited i just came and there's Midi-chlorians everywhere...
I had a great time listening to this episode, great work guys!
Midi-Chlorians: An answer to a question that nobody was asking.
Great episode guys, highly informative and entertaining
To Emperor Harloff: Regarding Midi-Chlorians.. Star Wars has been a huge factor in my life growing up, probably more so now with things like Battle front, Force Unleashed, KOTOR etc. I enjoyed the prequels, mostly because it was my first experience seeing Star Wars on the big screen. The prequels aren't perfect, and neither is the original trilogy (Ewoks aka Care bears). Regarding midi chlorians, now when Qui-Gon was explaining that whole thing in Episode 1 it didn't bother me as much as maybe an older fan. As far as taking away from the "magic", I'm not sure I agree. It's Star Wars. Something as little as that shouldn't affect the way the saga is perceived. I'm fine with it not being acknowledged going forward but I also feel like it was important for it to be addressed at that point in the past so when 4 comes along the Force truly is a mystical presence cause the Jedi are wiped out etc.
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Many former Jedi survived the Purge however Yoda is still not wrong because technically he said no Jedi existed not no former Jedi existed. Everyone on Rebels could survive and Yoda's words will still be correct just as long as all Jedi are either dead, exiled, injured, resting, or went against Jedi teachings making them no longer Jedi. It's very easy to have surviving Jedi without hurting the story.
Why don't people like midichlorions, from a science based view they are amazing as they provide us with the means of quantifying the force based on and individuals midichlorion count?
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to be honest, as someone who grew up with the prequels, I did now like the medi clorians. its like someone explaining to me the anatomy of god or something, just takes away the whole marvel about it
Like it when John is on Jedi Council!
For the DVD covers:
1. Jar Jar Binks
2. Little Boy Boba
3. Nute Gunray
4. Garindan
5. The dead Tauntaun(so it has a dead looking face)
6. The rancor owner(with a tear streaming down his face)
Man, I don't know why but I absolutely lost it when Mark slipped up reading a tweet and Christian said" What happened at the end there?". Sooo funny.
That "Point Toilet" comment was absolutely amazing XD It made my day lmao
If it were me, and I chose who'd be on the covers of the steelbooks, I'd choose:
The Phantom Menace: Qui-Gon Jinn
Attack of the Clones: Obi-Wan Kenobi
Revenge of the Sith: Darth Vader (before the suit)
A New Hope: Luke Skywalker
The Empire Strikes Back: Darth Vader (with the suit)
Return of the Jedi: Darth Sidious
The Force Awakens: Kylo Ren
I was always fine with Midi-Chlorians because the way I understand them is they are the things that connect us to The Force. I think there is great story potential behind that. And the idea of being strong in the force has always existed.
I'll never understand the problem Star Wars fans have with 'midi-clorians', yeah sure I know the reason they give 'it takes away the magic/mystery from the force' but to me it doesn't
There are some things that are best to be left a mystery, one being Yoda's origin and the other Midi-chlorians.
mk6rfc1 Doesn't take away any magic from the force. It only adds to it.
mk6rfc1 theres already magic in the star wars universe they're to separate things
Luke isn't Luke, he's the Joker hiding from Batman. That explains the beard and the Batmobille.
What is often forgotten about Star Wars is that it was toys books and other merchandise that kept Star Wars alive. The first films came out at a time when video tape was just becoming accessible to the population but most films back then could not be shown on TV until several years after the film was shown in cinemas and even longer before it was available to buy on Betamax and VHS and often very expensive. If you wanted to see a film again you literally had to find a cinema still showing the film. What a remarkable time we live in for a fan next year I will be watching Star Wars the force awakens at home on Blue-ray.
Guys, as I said in a previous post, the idea of midi-clorians as a bridge between physical reality and the mystery of the force is very similar to the work of two prominent physicists, Stuart Hammeroff & Roger Penrose. They've postulated that microtubules in human cells act a such a bridge linking us to what they called "Quantum Consciousness" - the collective universal mind we all share, aka (in Star Wars) The Force. If you've studied any of this type of theory and especially if you've been involved in meditative/contemplative traditions, either eastern or western, midi-clorians make sense!
This year has turned out to be hands down the year of Star Wars
@5150ellis. Point Toilet for Fantastic Four was hilarious!!
As a major fan of the old republic portion of the extended universe, the fact that they changed the name of Korriban still grinds my gears.
Vader was born on Coruscant when he pledged allegiance to Sidious
I love the prequels the OT had better acting but the PT did some amazing world building making the universe far more ripe for Disney.
No one knows how Midi-chlorians interact with the force exactly... Midi-chlorians never weigh heavy on my mind. I probably would not even know the term Midi-chlorians if not for the haters. When I think about the force I tend to wonder what other kinds of cool powers people could get from it and how will it evolve in future films.
I grew up with the Prequels and enjoy them. I recognize their many flaws and I understand the hate. But whining about the midichlorians is so STUPID. It sounds like my 3 year old when I tell him he can't eat candy before dinner. We're Star Wars fans, not cry babies. It's just one more thing that people have to try to find things to justify their hate for the prequels.
***** Schmoes Know watch the ***** Star Wars. They make the midichlorians lovable.
Anakin- "What are midichlorians?"
Qui-Gon- "It's heroin."
JEDeyeSAK EXACTLY. People have no idea how immature they sound when they continue to bash a film because it didn't go the way they wanted it to.
I must say that after watching the SDCC panel again Adam Driver gets asked, well who are you? He replies that's a good question. He gets announced as Kylo Ren he could have easily said that. So its possible that Kylo Ren is not his real name or just another handle.
Anthony Ingruber Should be the next Han Solo. He sounds and gives off that impression of Han Solo. Just get him some voice acting to really beef it up and I think he'll do perfect as the character.
I had a problem with midichlorians at first, but after watching The Clone Wars and its somewhat better explanation of how they relate to the force, I've learned to be okay with it. I mean it's canon, so what choice do I have. :)
Hopefully the new Blu-ray case will each have a Hero on one side and Villain on the other: Maul/Qui-Gon and so on.
DarthMaul/ Qui Gon
Dooku/ Yoda
Dark Anakin/ Obi Wan
Darth Vader/ Old Ben
Bobba Fett/ Han Solo
Sidious/ Luke
Re: Starwars rebels - One part that makes me think there is no overlap from Rebels to Episode IV, is the preview for season 2 includes the A-Wing and B-Wing. Under Legends those fighters were portrayed as new models but under the new cannon they appear before we have seen a Headhunter let alone an X-Wing. This could easily mean the Rebellion is not centralized in episode IV, hence no appearance of them or their equipment in Episode IV but in the Episode VI Endor assault all the rebels are brought together.
In reference to the new Blu Ray releases, I have the VHS boxset of the original trilogy with their original movie poster covers, VHS boxset for the "Digitally Remastered" versions, the full VHS boxset of the Special Editions. Plus I have all 6 movies on the DVD set, and the full BluRay set from a couple years ago. Not sure if I'll be getting these however unless they have something else that the first BluRay set doesn't have.
Love how episode 7's story was the culmination of a group of people rather than one freaking dude! Lucas did a brilliant job with the OT but he had total creative control on the PT, surrounded by yes men who didn't challenge Lucas creatively at any point.
Ok the prequels are bad but wtf are you talking about? The original trilogy had Han and Leia (the couple) separately off doing something else while Luke was off doing another thing. Same thing with the prequels. Anakin and Padme (the couple) were mostly off doing something else while Obi Wan was off doing another thing. Still a group of characters to focus on. Even the emperor in 3 was very much more focused than other characters.
In defense of midi-chlorians:
Part of the prequels were to show that Anakin's fall to the dark side was just as much the Jedi Order's fault as it was his own. Their fall came from the self-righteousness that assumed all feelings of passion were meant to be shut out. Their hubris extended to the claim that their technology and quantifying of the force through midi-chlorians was a viable way of assessing force prowess. When they ultimately fall, the shift in the original trilogy back to a more naturalistic view of the force is more powerful. Midi-chlorians show the presumptions and weaknesses of the Jedi in the prequels, and their notable absence in the originals demonstrate how a person's feelings and gut instincts, when interpreted correctly, can be much more valuable than a reliance on technology.
I love the prequels and I love midi-chlorians. You can argue that Jar Jar is dumb and you may eventually make me hate him, but you will never make me dislike midi-chlorians. Without them force is dumbed down to boring magic.
I like having SCI in sfi-fi. I mean why aren't you bashing Marvel for stating that Asgardians aren't really gods and that their "magic" is basically just very advanced science? Technology is pretty advanced in the Star Wars universe, so why should they be completely ignorant about the force?
the Star Wars Steelbooks are $25 each. pre orders are open on amazon
I live in Ireland where there isn't any comic book store near me , but I'm thinking of getting so off Amazon , which star wars comics do you recommend . I would love if you tell me thx
kevin O'Gorman Go to Dublin, go to DunDrum shopping centre, Boom! there a comic-book shop!
dterribletwins what really , omg . Thank you so much I didn't even know
Get them off the Marvel Comics app
mnhb2001 is that marvel unlimited that your talking about ?
You can do that, but i download Marvel Comics (thats what its called) Its like 1.99 for a star wars comic
I love Mark's rants.
The concept of Midi-Chlorians seems like it was just thrown in the script only as a means to quantify or measure sensitivity to the force. That is to show and prove that Anakin was the chosen one. He had the highest Midi-Chlorians count ever seen, even more so than Yoda. Therefore he had the potential to be the most powerful force yielder ever known to man.
I really like the idea of midichlorians because it solves the mystery of why some people are stronger with the force than others. It ends debates on why little old yoda could defeat let's say a group of young physically strong sith.
I love the prequels, and I used to have a problem with midichlorians, but not anymore. It didn't make sense to me that some mitochondria like creatures make the force, but I read that they were actually just indicators of it's presence. They develop in a person that has a strong connection to the force, that's all. That's why I don't hate the idea of the midichlorians anymore. My only problem is that I always confuse the words midichlorians and Mandalorians, but whatever :)
Mark with the epic Spaceballs reference.
regarding the Blu Ray Steelbooks. Did you notice that none of them have "Episode" and it's responding number to it?
I'm not a fan of any of the prequels - both Clone Wars shows are good. I could write a book, literally, but I actually don't mind the idea of Midi-chlorians. That is purely because of the novel (not canon, but probably really is considered canon like the Old Republic) "Darth Plagueis". The way they treated Midi-chlorians in that book was actually really interesting, and if Lucasfilm actually did something like they did in that novel, I wouldn't mind Midi-chlorians being brought back up. I also think that Anakin should have been created by Palpatine (I refuse to call him Darth Sidious, I mean why not just call him Darth Sinister...?) and Plagues - with the help of Midi-chlorians manipulation - as almost a clone of Palpatine and Plagueis, but that is an entirely different discussion.
I feel the midi-chlorians were a necessary way to describe why young Anakin should be trained, if not, then it would have been harder for Qui-gon to make his point for the training of Anakin
Also, the midichlorians thing has long annoyed me. Midichlorians NEVER were the Force. That's not at all what Qui-Gon said or George Lucas meant. They were microorganisms that live in everyone, and are in a more dense concentration around those that are strong in the Force. That's all. If Midichlorians are there, fine. If not, then fine as well. Just wish everyone would actually understand this...
So the Medichlorian issue is one that I don't have a problem rationalizing. It's in my head-canon that those life forms are ways to measure force sensitivity indirectly as they are found inside environments (people) particularly strong with the force. After all is the force has such a strong connection to the process of giving life to and the death of physical bodies then it's not too far of a stretch. Anakin was potentially an aspect of the force incarnated and it's possible the Medichlorians are no different, they're simply less complex life-forms. Medichlorians were obviously a tool to explain Anakin's unusual case as a Jedi recruit and were perhaps mishandled but they could have been worked into the lore IMO if they had been handled with greater care.
I completely agree with Kristian in hoping that kylo ren is a relic hunter and that they use that to bring in a lot of the sith history because it is so damn interesting and something that really could be used more in the films. I also am holding out hope that smoke might be plagueis and that's another sith I would love to see but that's another discussion
In regards to the Kylo Ren name issue, potential Spolier Alert... I noticed a change in the name of the Daisley Ridley speeder name from displays at celebration to comic con. Celebration had Kira's Speeder on the placard and then at comic on it said Rey's Speeder. What if her full name is Kira Rey and his is Kylo Ren as brother and sister, and they are the solo twins. The names match like Brooke and Brent?
I recently watched Empire Strikes Back on the big screen at the @secretcinema Event in London - it was AWESOME!!! This was a fully interactive event and I felt part of the Star Wars universe...We got to interact with Han Solo Chewbacca Boba fett Obi wan C3PO R2-D2 to name a few
When it comes to Star Wars I feed off information therefore I loved that there was scientific reasoning of the force. Science>Magic, Star Wars is way better when it's dark and realistic rather than being magical and cheesy.
Is it just me or will anyone be disappointed in if Ray or Kylo Ren aren't the kids to Han and Leia. I feel like I'm building up my own disappointment. I even feel like it's not going to happen since its a generic story and everyone will see it coming but even with that, I still want it to happen.
For the ones who still find it difficult to understand and WANT to be accepting of an explanation. Midichlorian is really just another word for what the Traditional Chinese Medicine mentions as Qui Energy. Everybody has it in their cells, it is everywhere and it is what´s connecting us to each other; a life flow and the more you are in tune with it, the more it flows through you! So that means every life form has "midichlorians" in their blood/cells. Your father had it, I mean has it :) Your sister/brother. Your neighbor. Your dog. Your cactus. So people stop crying cause YOU HAVE THAT POWER TOO ;) The more you learn about it and the more conscious you get, the more it flows in YOU! So, in the movie, they were just measuring if Anakin was already, without training, very much in tune with the force; energy Qui, life spirit, midichlorians or whatever you wanna call it. Cause sometimes you don´t have to know about the existence of the "force" to live with and in the "force" just like some people who are just organically more in tune with themselves and life than others without really thinking about it. This explanation does not take ANY of the magic away! Personally it makes it more real and I don`t get it if they are intentionally going to ignore it only because they cannot wrap their minds around it, what has become a "popular" opinion when it is really something so simple! George, I feel you man on this!
Applehead3391 Never heard midichlorians explained like that. Very interesting!
Peter Fisher I appreciate your acknowledgement
The covers are similar to the VHS trilogy released in 1995 the first one was Vader , The Empire Strikes Back was a Storm Trooper and Return Of The Jedi was Yoda.
There was a stormtrooper on the original cover of Empire Strikes Back, that's why.
"With so much about the character shrouded in mystery, the one thing we thought we knew for certain about Kylo Ren was that he was named 'Kylo Ren.' However, Abrams revealed that’s not actually his birth name. In fact, the 'Ren' part isn’t a name at all." - Slashfilm
I don't think Adam Driver is playing a Skywalker. I think it'd be too jarring to have a murderous villain and then make him be a Hero's offspring.
Now, Dom Gleeson looks like a Skywalker.
one2gaming I bet Adam Driver is a solo :)
The Storm Trooper on that cover is the probably the only one to successfully wound one of the main characters
You guys have said that John boyega won't be zare leonis from rebels because of his age, but what about his son? Finn leonis rolls off the tongue pretty nicely to me
I really enjoyed the prequels and really enjoyed how Lucas dove deeper into the mystery of the jedi and the force, but I didn't really read too far into the midi-clorian references. It was cool how they explained that midi-clorians is what separates jedi from everyone else and how they used it to develop Anakins story as the chosen one in the Phantom Menace, but other than that, I didn't affect the story for me, it was just another element that was added to explain how Jedi are discovered. At this point in the star wars saga and how far removed from the prequesl we are chronologically, I wouldn't care if JJ kept the midi-clorians, I don't think it would really make a difference for the story either way.
My preferred characters for the steelbooks would be Darth Maul: Episode I, Jango Fett or clone trooper: Episode II, The Emperor: Episode III, Luke Skywalker: Episode IV, Darth Vader: Episode V and Anakin Skywalker: Episode VI (as Hayden Christensen).
You guys should do a bar like Heroes and MovieTalk. So we know the topics being discussed.
I am thinking that if a Force user survives Rebels, (Hera and the other non-force users could be in the gallery at the end of NH) that Force user will be in Rouge One and will be the reason Leia got away from Vader long enough to get to Tat.
Growing up watching the original series, I had always thought that the Imperial Guards were what we now know the Inquisitors to be. I thought they had low level Force abilities and seemed pretty scary.
On the Star Wars Blu-Ray Steelbooks they have nice artwork but I already own the films on Blu-Ray Disc already.
I love the prequels and I have no problem with midi-chlorians
Love love the show
1. How about the idea, that maybe the adam driver character kylo ren, may be an undercover agent for the forces of good. That would be a awesome twist. In reguards to that may not be his real name, could be skywalker or Solo child.
2. you guys seem so sure on jj No on midi chlorians? Is this not the same guy who had said no khan in Star Treks into darkness ?
Not that I'm midi fan ... Just saying
I think midichlorians is a good way to place a value on how powerful a jedi or sith is in the force. it was cool to know that a kid had more midi's then a yoda.
I'm a fan of the prequels and I never had a problem with midichlorians. They Force is still a mystical energy, it's just that midichlorians explain why not just anyone can pick up a lightsaber. It's also a way to measure Force to show that Anakin is unusually stronger with the Force than most Jedi, rather than just saying "He has more Force than most Jedi."
What do people think of the idea that the Imperial Guards were actually the Knights of Ren. I don't have any thing to back it up, just a thought. We were always lead to believe that they were not to be messed with because of their training. Were they force sensitive? Who trained them or how were they trained?
I think the novel Plagueis actually makes midi-clorians interesting concept. And he may well be Snoke in The Force Awakens. If you despise midi-clorians and feel it ruins the mystery of the Force, fine I understand. But there's actually some very interesting elements explored particularly in the Lost Mission episodes of The Clone Wars series.
I just have this feeling that princess Leigh is the new "dark emperor". There have been supposed pictures of Adam Driver as an X wing pilot and princess Leigh looks like the person in charge in the scene with her in a hanger. I could see Driver being her son and Leigh using him as her sith pawn to keep this new and wavering republic from crumbling by undertaking secret missions for her, hence the mask that covers his whole face. Basically I see Leigh using Kylo Ren through the connection of him being her son to do what she thinks is right. Leigh won't be an outright villain in the typical sense but her actions will be very dictator like.
I like one of Mark's comments from much earlier this year. He said his little brother wanted them to refer to Midichlorians the way we refer to the theory that the Earth was flat back in the day.
lets not forget they can totally get rid of the midichlorian thing by saying,"oh we misunderstood the way the force works."
btw, i misspelled midichlorian and spell check corrected me...i guess they are cannon...
Right there with you John. I love comic book characters but only ever buy novels for the cost benefit ratio.
Midi-chlorians could be re-explained (perhaps not in the movies) as a life form that feed off the force making it a good indication of a person’s connection to the force rather than the actual force. They could act as a sort of bridge between the force and the force sensitive being making it easier to gain knowledge about the force. It would be no means be perfect but it would reduce the harm of Ep. 1
Snoke as in: Sneaky Smoke (screen)...
Dunno, but it is fun to think about.
Good show Star Brothers!
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Have you seen Adam Driver's photo from GQ? The hair and the vest ... he looks like Han.
I get that Jar Jar was a bit of a distraction and had FAAAAARRRR too much screen time that could have been Darth Maul's and the Jedi.. That said, I don't entirely understand what the big problem is with the midi chorians? I like that it's not just a 'magic' and there is a scientific and chemical explanation to the power only few carry. It also scales how much power you have which is more like comic book characters. I never had a problem with it. There are far bigger issues and the largest in my book is Darth Maul not having any sort of character arch or much screen time at all in ep 1. He tracks the Jedi and duels. That's it!!!???
Let's take a look at Simon Kingberg's feature film writing credits:
X-Men Days of Future Past - Awesome
Star Wars Rebels - Good
This Means War- Bad
Sherlock Holmes - Meh
Jumper - Awful
Mr. and Mrs. Smith - Ok
X-Men the Last Stand - Awful
xXx: State of the Union - Beyond Terrible
So he's 2 for 8. Maybe 3 for 8. It seems like Days of Future Past is the exception not that rule.
On the "comics" I would suggest looking into subscripting to Marvel Unlimited. All of the titles will be available on MU 6 months after being released. StarWars first 2 issues are now available.
What if when YODA says "no there is another" he's referring to Snoke, Ezra, or at least someone in episode 7, that would be PHENOMENAL and extremely CHILLING.
Yeah but he is referring to leia, no reason in taking about someone different when you are talking to someone that has a twin sister
I don't mind the midi-chlorians. How else do you explain why the force is so strong in the Skywalker lineage? If anyone can be trained then why didn't Obi-Wan/Yoda just find others to become Jedi?
Wasn't part of the downfall of the Jedi is that they were wrong about midi-chlorians? In the Clone Wars episodes where Yoda learns to talk to the force ghost of Qui-Gon Jinn, it is heavily inferred that there is a lot about the force the Jedi don't know. The Jedi Council was dogmatic in their ideas of the force (ie. midi-chlorians), but Yoda discovered that "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." It's all part of the irony that Yoda discovered what Anakin was seeking by joining the dark side, and how Palpatine turned the whole Jedi Order to the Dark Side (dogmatic views of the force such as midi-chlorians, becoming state-sponsered religious militarism) rendering them blind and inert against him.
So the only thing Luke would maybe know about midi-chlorians in the Force Awakens is that they were misleading the Jedi in the past. So there's no reason for them to be in the Force Awakens. No retconning necessary.
wait a sec -- at ~53:30 they're talking about a Star Wars marathon in theaters. Does that mean I could go see the OT in theaters?? I'd love to do that since I never got the chance to (not being born yet when they came out...)