Lol save? My dude, SW is fine. Mando was awesome, Fallen Order was awesome, Clone Wars 7 was awesome. And sure, TRoS had it's faults, but many people (including me) at least had a fun time watching it. SW is better than fine.
So Obi-wan redeemed himself by being the father figure Luke needed.. and Luke healed them both by his love and forgiveness and hope. Wow. Masterpiece 😭
I think you're right about Luke- he redeemed the failure of Obi-Wan and Anakin. But I think Obi-Wan realized he could not be the one to raise Luke. He was not father material- he was a Jedi. He could not love a child like a father must, hence the fall of Anakin. The best thing that he could do for Luke is to go away, to let him have a family, to watch from afar as he did- only revealing his true self when the time was right to guide Luke in the way of the Jedi.
@@spooky3394 I believe that you hit the nail directly on the head. It is theme that reappears in the new series as well. Grogu redeems Din Djarin by the end of season 2 episode 8. Din risks everything to save his child and breaks his clans rules by showing his face and feeling (crying) unashamedly in front of the world. I think Luke will return Grugu to Din after he has taught him to master his abilities.
Yes Victoria , but remember Anakin killed palpatine. Luke's love made him see the truth he hid all along. Only the two of them could finish the darkside off - as Yoda said "always two there are" about the sith.
One that becomes a Master never feels they are a Master. Like Yoda told Luke confront your fear and at last you will be a Knight we don't deserve. Another Master will tell an Apprentice they have become an Equal but we are always learning.
@let's talk Something a fatherless younger brother might say to an older brother. Obi wan might really have been the closest to a father he ever had...which is why he fell to the darkside. It wasn't enough.
My thoughts exactly! Everything just got a little clearer and brighter. George is so MUCH more than an entertainer. He understands the need of the human spirit... family, love, relationships, conflict, hope, and victory. AND now I'm looking at my own relationships differently, LOL, because of Star Wars.
Oh man that line hits me straight to the core. "You were my brother Anakin, I loved you!" I mean, it's heartbreaking. Even if Obi Wan never wanted to be a father figure to Anakin..he definitely cared for him deeply. That entire sequence at the end of Revenge of the Sith is both tragic and poetic simultaneously. Even if we knew how it was going to end, the emotional impact of this scene will always tie the entire arc together. George is a genius.
God, let this man lead LucasFilm, he gets it he understands it, but doesn’t let his “fan boy” cloud his judgement but rather have a clear view of what George wanted all along for His characters to become and to be remembered for.
He was humble enough to realize this was and, hopefully, is George’s story. That’s what KK and RJ didn’t care about-just because you can change the vision doesn’t mean you should if it doesn’t fit or follow the lead of the preceding episodes. There was a complete disconnect with the previous movies after TFA-why did Luke go off the deep end when he was the hopeful one who refused to turn to the dark side? He risked everything to bring Anakin back from the sith, yet he becomes a hermit when Ben falls? Wouldn’t Luke have fought tooth and nail to turn him back? Nothing flows from the original movies to the last two installments, and the change in some of the lead characters ie, Luke especially was too jarring. If Luke knew that all the previous Jedi live on in the latest generation and could help in the fight against the Sith then why didn’t he seek their help? We need these new visionaries to take charge of George Lucas’ story, not take a sledgehammer to it.
yah hes the shit, still crazy tho how amazing star wars movies are that people are talking about it like it's real history. nothing comes close to what Lucas did.
Honestly the passion he has for Star Wars makes me love it even more and just opens my eyes about the prequels even more, I loved the prequels regardless, but if anyone doesn’t like them, show them this, they will see it in a completely different light
@@ReptarTheUgly yeah but even if the new trilogy had good storywriting there would still be the same type of haters, that being said its trash nevertheless
Ryan same. they were my childhood and they just make the ogs 10x better because there's a story behind vader and the skywalker family. it sucks that they got/get hate because of the dialogue when the stories themselves are great. one in particular is attack of the clones sure it had cheesy dialogue for padme and anakin but it shows the attachment and obsession he begins to have over padme and the hatred growing in him after obi wan basically stopped him from saving his mother. it sucks that ppl hate that movie because i personally think it's pretty good. but it's not revenge of the sith lol
Notice how everyone is super quiet and intently listening to Dave here. He should be President of Lucas Film. He understands Star Wars as much as George Lucas does.
Maybe not the president cause the president would took care of everything like businesses, Even George lucas Himself never touch the business thing in lucasfilm he just wanted to create the movie. So I think the best word to say is we want Dave filoni writing and directing Star Wars.
If you think of it from a Shakespearean angle, Qui-Gon is Duncan, previous king, Obi-Wan is Malcom, and Anakin is Romeo. I think if George tried to stick closer to the three Shakespearean characters he tried, also as great as duel of fates serves narratively I think if they had Dooku be the Macbeth the entire time it would've worked better.
You know what I just realized? Sidious wanted Luke to strike him down, right? He wanted him to kill him so he would taste the darkness, and if you recall, Luke actually tries to. The only reason he didn't was because Vader deflects it. I always saw that scene as "Oh, Vader's defending the Emperor, because he's so far down the dark path." But if Sidious wanted to die by Luke's hand, wouldn't Vader defending him basically be counterproductive to Sidious? I'd go as far as to say the one reason Luke doesn't turn to the dark side is because Vader managed to block him from killing Sidious, and though Luke gets close to killing Vader, he doesn't because Vader's his father. Basically, what I'm trying to say is, I think despite all Vader's talk about wanting to rule the Galaxy and taking down the Emperor with Luke, in that moment, he stops Luke from giving into the darkness. He spares his son of the pain he's suffered all these years as Darth Vader, and shows that the conflict of light and dark is far more intrusive than it even seemed by the end of the fight. *_{[TL;DR]},_* Sidious wanted Luke to strike him down, but Vader blocks Luke from doing so. I think this was the Anakin in him trying to spare his son from the Dark Side.
That's an interesting point of view, and maybe Vader's intention was to spare Luke from going dark. But I don't think for a minute Sidious wanted to actually be struck down by Luke. He wanted to taunt Luke relentlessly to push him towards the dark knowing full well Vader would deflect any blow coming his way. Because in the end Sidious wanted to live and rule only using his apprentices as pawns.
Parkstar 7 Yeah because every master gets killed by their apprentice and sidious wants to stay in power so I think he wanted look to attack him tcause he knows vader will block it. Then, luke will attack vader until one suceeds. Sidious will then kill the weakened survivor.
The Game Chasers unfortunately they would never do that : ( , hopefully competent storytelling will be possible with new stories in new time periods :)
@@ReySkywalker2 Hahahahahaha, sorry....you caught me off guard. I thought we were having a serious conversation here haha. All those expensive degrees writing disney star wars and it still turned out a convoluted mess and an inept attempt at closing out the third act of a 3-part set of trilogies. Yup. Three movies, 3 totally different visions. Totally COMPETENT storytelling!
I think Dave should make a Clone Wars style show of the sequel era with Rey, Finn etc.; he is the one who could fix a lot of stuff and improve characters people don't like.
@@MrElatan I... Actually want to see that. I think thats a really cool idea. It would help fill in the gaps, I think. Maybe a series that takes place in between episode 8 and 9, since that's when the most amount of time has passed?
@@HyakuJuu01300 True. Anakin grew up as a slave, then he became (in his eyes) a slave of the Jedi to fulfill their prophecy and thus couldn't lead the life he wanted to lead, then he became a slave of his emotions as a Sith lord and when he finally came free he died.
We need a podcast of George and Dave explaining these kinds of things to us. I don't think even the biggest fans would ever make that connection and know the true meaning George had while creating Star Wars.
I have watched a interview of George saying he doesn't like to answer kinda questions exsplaining stuff because he wants people to make their own theorys. I would love that though!!!
If even the biggest fans can't work it out unless being told directly, then George failed as a film maker. People should be able to figure out the message of your films from watching your films. If they need to be told, then you need to do things differently.
He isn't. Qui-Gon is very flawed. He's arrogant, stubborn, trust only his instincts and don't care about the consequences of his actions. He's far from perfect. Filoni is just a Qui-Gon fanboy, he doesn't see the flaws of this great character.
@@Vos661 I believe your referring to Qui-Gon's personality, hence to say all people and characters do have their flaws, regardless of, thats always been the issue with the human species as a whole. In any case, the point I'm making, is that Qui-Gon is the best interpretation of what a Jedi should be; despite of course having character/individual flaws. Yet it's because of these character/individual flaws that we have; give us the chance to learn, and grow as a human being; and Qui-Gon, is of course, no exception to that notion.
@@Vos661 the fact that he was able to master the force well enough to become a force ghost despite his flaws is what would make him the quintessential jedi
@@RaikenXion she's very Qui-gon like. She matches up to a lot of what Filoni says about Qui-gon here, which makes sense she's his baby and her character is there to show how far the Jedi have wandered from the path and become corrupt.
Darth Soldier Yoda actually said, “I agree” normally in ROTS when he decided to aid the Wookies in the Clone Wars. His form of speech will never not astound me.
No, I disagree. The man does not know what the fuck he is doing. He's just seen as competent because his garbage still looks amazing when compared to the Sequels, which are literally the worst thing that could have ever happened to Star Wars.
I'm so glad that the Prequels were my introduction to Star Wars. Not only do I get to see the fully realized imagination and lore of the Galaxy, let alone the grit of war, but the story of Anakin Skywalker was an amazing tragedy.
I feel like being 1st introduced with prequels helps comprehend the huge potential of force users and how the universe is when the force is balanced and it's slow descend. then watching the original trilogy I understand how far the universe and jedi have fallen
@@bigstunna2049 It also places a lot more depth into the Original Trilogy when you remember the events of the Prequels and watch the OT, focusing on the finishing of Anakin's story from Vader rather than the focal point of Luke Skywalker's story.
Star Wars has ALWAYS been about Fatherhood. That's why the Mandalorian Feels SO Star Wars... and why the Sequels were just thematically/emotionally off.
"Welcome to Star Wars 101, I am your instructor, Professor Dave Filoni." I have watched this clip about 6 times or so, and when they cut to Bryce, And John and all the other directors, you can see them just absorbing this information, like they're in a class room! Dave has worked with George the longest in that group, and George called Dave is Protege, his student. He taught him Star Wars. This explanation of Duel of The Fates, Dave learned that from George and that opened HIS mind to what it all means, now he's taught this to them. Dave is the Jedi, and they are the Padawans. We all know Dave should be the person running Star Wars, and THIS proves it!
Qui Gon wasn't a gray Jedi. He was a true Jedi on the old. It's the council and the rest of the Jedi that have been blinded by power and politics. That's what Dave means.
A truly educated fan knows that the only true Jedi IS a gray Jedi. The Je'Daii were originally a "grey" order that sought balance in all things, just like their Bhuddist inspiration. When they turned to the Light Side (leaned too far out of balance) that created the Sith, which in turn created all of the conflict in Star Wars that we know and love. Qui-Gon was both a Grey Jedi and a true Je'Daii, because those are the same thing.
I don’t think this is meant to be harsh to Obi-Wan. Multiple times in II and III, Anakin refers to Obi-Wan as a father, while Obi-Wan always refers to Anakin as a brother. So it’s not that Obi-Wan didn’t grow to care for Anakin. It’s just that he couldn’t fill the emotional role that Anakin needed at that point in his life, which led him to seek out another father figure - Palpatine.
But he wasn't the father figure Anakin needed. Even at the end, when Obi-wan says, "WE WERE BROTHERS!" - that written on purpose. And having a brother does not replace not having a father.
You can tell by each episode that Anakin being part of Obi-Wan's life made Obi-Wan kinder. Is like Anakin made Obi-Wan know love and affection. Anakin changed Obi-Wan for the better. Obi-Wan tried leading by example but truly believed in Anakin changing the Galaxy the way Anakin changed Obi-Wan life.
"remember to make these stories hopeful. remember to give that to kids. because they need it." talk about emotional. especially for those of us with no or challenged father figures.
@@spicysnowman8886 ehh I would argue that 7 became irrelevant because of 8 first. The whole point of 7 was the mystery box aspect of it. The answers in 8 were pretty disappointing in my opinion. But yeah, 9 burried the sequels for me.
Yes, Starwars is timeless, it's not a foretelling of the future or a historical allegory, and it's not commenting on current events. It's transmitting wisdom that was relevant 2000 years ago and will be relevant 2000 years from now.
Obi Wan’s mistake is that he was so worried about being a good teacher for the chosen one and making him the perfect Jedi, That he didn’t teach in what he believed. Clone wars was great in showing that Obi Wan was not the perfect Jedi he seemed to be. He had attachments to a woman and he never really agreed with the council but went along with them anyway. His stance in the council was similar to how he taught Anakin. Always teaching Anakin lessons that did not come from himself because he didn’t truly trust in his own readiness and teachings. His lessons always seemed like he was just telling Anakin what not to just because the Jedi code says so. Obi wan was not ready for any of this so he adopted this strict text book style of teaching. That is why Anakin always protested obi wan and obi wan would In turn add to Anakin’s frustration by not explaining a truly what the lesson meant because he himself didn’t know what the point of most of the Jedi teachings was. Had he used his own beliefs and morals rather than the Jedi’s to teach Anakin, obi wan would have been much better of a mentor. Obi wan was not the most obvious example of what was wrong with the order like Mace Windu was. Instead he was an example of the Jedi who followed the flawed Jedi code without questioning it. Which was a bigger problem and one which made it easy for Sidious to manipulate the whole clone wars.
I see where you're coming from and your right in how Obi-Wan was more do as I say not as I do with Anakin. But in the book Master And Appreciate we see that's the way Gin treats Obi-Wan. So maybe it comes from Kenobi thinking that's how Gin would have trained him or he only knew what he was taught.
Keith Talaga I haven’t really read that book. Have only seen small parts from it so I am not to aware of their master and apprentice relationship. But yeah all I’m saying is that obi wan’s style of teaching was not suitable for Anakin as he was already to old to be brainwashed by the Jedi into becoming detached. So by Obi Wan never really justifying his teachings with personal experiences It makes sense as to why Anakin was frustrated by him sometimes.
@1 It abandoned Lucas. But something happened then the story did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable: a CEO, Bob Iger of Disney
@@rustynailsmakerainbows4697 The Force Awaken wasnt bad but Katherine Kennedy should be blamed for The Last Jedi,she was one of the ones that fully supported throwing away the Lucas Story
Oh the possibility of an actual unified fandom. I wonder what Dave Filoni would’ve done for the sequels. 2nd Galactic Civil War would’ve been the best had Harrison Ford not been as old as he was. Maybe Fate of the Order though things needed a lot of build up to get there so that’s an unlikely story. The OG Three were all too old for anything before the end of the Vong War. Maybe a new story under Filoni’s lead would’ve worked better than anything.
The main reason why star wars is what it is, is BECAUSE of the characters. Not the fancy shit. Not the lightsaber fights, not the story even really. But the characters. And this gallery episode confirmed that. You need to get THE CHARACTERS RIGHT because if you don't...dead on arrival.
If you don't like PT fine If you like the PT fine. If you don't like ST fine. If you do like ST fine. Just don't be a fucking dick about it I won't stand for that shit in my thread. Point blank period. It's not dapper behavior to shit on those who like or dislike something. We can agree to disagree without being so uncivilized about it.
@@Vincevdb1 and also because the sequels focused heavily on the fancy shit. Yeah CGI and special effects are cool, but if that's the #1 priority of your film/TV show, then it's just empty eye candy with no soul. That's what Dave Filoni understands, and Kathleen Kennedy does not.
Quote: " I draw that line all the way back from Phantom Menance to [Return of the ] Jedi. That's the story of Star Wars." Even Dave Filoni recognizes how pointless the sequels are.
It truly is and it set the foundation for many years of star wars content to come hopefully it's Dave and Fav who make this content since they understand what Star Wars is.
@@titanhail0495 1-6 had mistakes too like jar jar and some late sgi decisions. Id say because of that there just shy of a masterpiece but very close. 7-9 dont even come close even with all the advancments in movie making regarding special effects. The non fans that work on these projects think the better special effects actually means something to star wars fans cos its so heavily decored in it but its the story and character deveoplment that make it feel real in a setging as unrealistic as starwars. I would argue the sequels actually would have been better if they had less money to use and had to be more creative rather than letting the special effects carry the burden of keeping the viewer interseted. The non fans see star wars as just lasers and aliens so just chuck more of them in there as apposed to actually knowing and telling the story fans want to see
It took Filoni to explain the Prequels in way that was even remotely satisfying. It's either great story-writing and terrible screenplay, or it's terrible story-writing and great retconning. This is exactly why I want GL to stay far away from the franchise from now on. He's done enough to his legacy with Crystal Skull and the Prequels. Filoni made a fine apprentice, but now _he_ is the master.
There was no story or greater meaning. No character archs. Just shameless rehashing of the war aspects/small group of rebels win against the big bad empire. There was no care given to creating an authentic Star Wars experience that ANIMATED series with limited budgets can capture perfectly. The sequels are disgusting cash grabs and nothing else. We as fans should band together and force the “sequels” to be uncanonized.
M00SE414 u do know the last Jedi is what Lucas sequels would of looked like ??? That was the arc he had for Luke. If anything the sequels prove that you don’t need to be a skywalker to carry thier legacy on
@@aaronm4841 You do realize that someone with Skywalker blood saved the day? Rey never would have stood a chance without the redemption of Kylo. It's still about the redemption of Skywalker's and about a Skywalker. You can't say what George would have done. He made 6 movies about the Skywalker's so sorry... What you're saying just doesn't track.
@@mlo009 exactly yes. He tried, and he was possible the greatest Jedi during the clone wars, but he wasnt the father figure Anakin needed. As you could see in the clone wars he was not yet even a brother, but in revenge of the Sith he was a great friend and brother, but not what qui gon would have been.
@Matias Martinez that's a bit of a stretch. the fact that they misinterpreted the prophecy wasnt out of arrogance but out of a narrow and strict code of being that prevented them to truly grasp the nature of the prophecy. Obi wanted Anakin to become a great Jedi without realizing he was supposed to become something greater, the perfect being, the one who lives in balance (Light/Dark - Jedi/Sith). Jedi could never become Anakin because they were afraid of the Dark, they wouldnt go as far as tap into that territory, and so they never truly understood goodness, cause they didnt want to deal with true evil. Obi cared very much about anakin, he loved him like a Jedi would love somebody, he respected him but it's not his fault he was raised a Jedi his whole life and Jedi arent arrogant, they just become clueless to the very essence of balance (mostly because of the thousands of years of peace), which is Light and Dark, not just Light.
@Matias Martinez great take I never thought of it that way. I thought if the light side ruled of that long balance would be for the dark side to rule but I like your take more
It amazes me how many people, to this day, state that the prequel trilogy is unnecessary and a useless set of movies when they literally ellucidate the fate of the Starwars univers and how it got there. They are my three favorite. There is power to knowing a villan as a child. It uplifts the story in and irreplaceable way.
@@charliehenning5567 there isn't starwars without anakin (until disney rub there mouse hungry money hand into this franchise basically tricking george lucas who doesn't have the money to make the sequels that they will make the sequels george wanted but ultimately betraying his trust but never admitting it but let's not talk about my rant )
which also also explains why the music doesn't come back when Kenobi fights Maul alone. The Duel of the Fates is already over, Maul & Sidious were the victors.
"These stories are very uplifting." *Clone Wars Season 7:* hello there But for real while Clone Wars ends on an INCREDIBLY bleak note, there's.....there's still that sense of hope there. It's amazing.
I would argue that it ends on the most uplifting note that it could have, given the circumstances. Because, yeah, it's dark and depressing. It's supposed to line up with the end of ROTS, so obviously it was going to end on the beginning of the darkest hour in the Galaxy's history. But the important thing is that it ends on Vader, sad broken husk of our former hero who's now nothing but an emotionless enforcer of the darkside, being reminded of his past through picking up the lightsaber that he made for his beloved apprentice. And then he looks to the sky and even tho he doesn't know what she is, he's being watched by Morai, a living avatar of the Lightside of the Force and in that moment we see his eyes and we know that no matter how obscured and tinted by darkness he is, Anakin is still in there. He's just waiting for that push to be broken free.
There is always a flipside to "uplifting", and it was very well executed in the clone wars final season. The problem with the new movies is they are neither this nor that. They are just empty, soulless, boring husks, and that is why they fail.
it's not obi wan doesn't care, it's that he's too young, he shouldn't have that responsibility, he's not even a jedi master yet, that's why everything goes to hell and the metaphor here is when an irresponsible parent forces the bigger child to raise the younger, that's a responsibility of the parent not the child, they are both children
Not about age although it would have helped, its about character. Obi was the wrong character to train aniken. jin was the only jedi that still had real connection with the force and jin was the only one that understood aniken. Without jin aniken should never been trained as the risk of turning dark was too great and the council knew it. Obi is almost the opposite of aniken with very low risk of turning dark, being jedi for obi is almost too easy where others had to struggle with overcoming there emotions like jin or windu. Thats why obi never really understood aniken cos he was riddled with inner conflict that obi has never really had to deal with and therefor didnt know how to help aniken deal with it in the way he needed, you could even say obi style of guidence actually inadvertently pushed him to seek help elsewhere aka dark side.
I just realized this is why Duel of The Fates plays when Anakin is on his speeder going to find his mother. I'm commenting late so no one will see this but I think that was intentional. Edit: Duel of The Fates plays before Anakin lost his mother and father (qui-gon) I also think I understand why George made Anakin born with no father.
It seems every time Duel of the Fates played in the first 2 movies, its always tied to Anakin’s parental figures - first a man he saw as a father, and then his actual mother
just to clarify, obi wan does care for anakin and does have a special relationship with him. However it becomes an older brother type relationship, not the father son relationship he needed which he would've gotten from Qui Gon. Saying obi wan did'nt care for him is wrong.
I 100 percent agree boom for obi wan cares for him, sure he was training anakin from a promise, but their relationship grew, the reason he became a brother instead of a father was because obi wan never wanted a padawan, evidence is because he wanted to be like his master wants to be his master. Obi wan cares a good deal.
Also, remember that Obi-wan was still a padawan in TPM. He didn't really have the mastery yet necessary to train a jedi properly. (Not saying he didn't try his best)
Obi-Wan didn't originally care to have him around (although he did seem to like him), but he absolutely grew to care for him as a little brother. It clearly tore him apart to see Anakin fall. But Anakin needed a father. If he had both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, he'd have a whole family. Instead, he was left with too many holes.
Wimbish Westy - I think it would be better if Jon Favreau was the president of Lucasfilm, with Dave Filoni VicePresident in charge of the creatives and storytelling.
The Grey Path I think it would be best if dave and Jon were the story tellers and directors for the sequel trilogy only because they both make some amazing content and being president and Vice President would pull that chance to create away from them
Zach Beckman but in all honesty Kathleen Kennedy needs to get fired so the passionate creators can make content that the fans enjoy and want to see, instead of going in the Woke direction
the man he thinks can save padme and create order...unlike the man jedi who caused his mom's death he thinks and his wifes death and all these issues through war..he a a former slave that was abandoned wants order
@@razkable do you think that relates to when he says, "from my point of view the jedi are evil" it would make sense since the jedi were the reason his mother died and eventually how padme would die. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
You spot on there @Charissa kay if only 7,8 & 9 were written by people that understood this instead of baiting everyone with mystery that had no relevance or completion, what a waste of a huge story .
It's sad hearing Dave say want him to remember to bring hope to people as it's needed in the world. Yet so many fans and media have bashed George for so many years. It hurts to realise that.
"Why it works, and why we care. It's not about X-Wings. It's not about all these things we decorate Star Wars in... We soulfully react. We don't just want an action movie. We want to be uplifted." Damn... Disney had this guy and they didn't have him do the sequel trilogy. At least they got it right with all the TV shows.
Boba Fett and Kenobi had the same issues the Disney sequels had: they both relied on surface level nostalgia without understanding the series thematically. Obi Wan beating Darth Vader twice (Mustafar and Vanqor) makes Vader look weak and Kenobi ridiculous. There is even a good end point for the Vanqor duel when Vader has Kenobi buried under an avalanche. It would also explain why no one was looking for Obi Wan at the time of the original Star Wars. Vader probably killed thousands after that fight and Obi Wan is now responsible since he didn’t finish him off.
@@ricopena2053 not only that, but it would perfectly explain Vadar's surprise at feeling Obi Wan on the first Death Star. He presumed Kenobi to be dead and the fact he was one of the only people to survive a duel with Vadar makes him extremely dangerous. However, how easily he defeated him, hence why Vadar is comfortable going after him alone whereas after losing to him twice, there's no way he'd go after Kebobi alone.
qui-gon wasn't a grey jedi, he was a TRUE JEDI, pretty sure Filoni said this in that clip, or maybe on one of the celebration videos I recently watched. Qui Gon wasn't a grey jedi, he was the only one who was acting like a true jedi, as the council were too busy meddling with politics among other things.
That is one very concise comment! I think thats why he allways seemed removed from most other jedi in the council, he moved where there force guided him and not used the force to guide him (I hope it is clear what I am trying to say, english is not my first language). I had some people try to sell me on the "grey jedi" idea regarding Qui-Gon but that never really clicked for me. It is nice to think that it was intentional without being too on the nose about it, thats the part of Star Wars I really like.
Dave understands what Star Wars is. Disney sees as a moneymaker Kathleen sees it as propaganda pawn But Dave sees it as George originally did - a story, a legacy, a narrative with real meaning and compelling characters The prequels weren't flawless, they had their slight imperfections but they definitely don't deserve the hate they got, I cant deny (personally I really enjoyed them, I'm especially a fan of RotS) but you can see what George wanted from them, Dave not only fulfilled what George wanted with Clone Wars but also fundamentally redeemed the prequels. He actually knows what he his doing, he knows what the fans want and what they would like. Simply hes brilliant and I really want him to take over as the Star Wars head honcho He truly is the chosen one, the saviour of Star Wars and shall be the one to bring balance to the fandom Edit: OK I know a lot of you have commented me on it so I've changed it ok. Just to clarify, I do not, by any means, hate the prequels, stop saying that I do. I am really sorry that my comment may have come off the wrong way and I apologies if I offended anyone (I should've been more clear). I hope this has cleared up what I meant
Chaøs Galaxy Except Dave was in the meetings with everyone talking about the female propaganda. He's quoted in the book the art of the rise of skywalker talking about the plans for the last movie. I still love Dave tho.
Jam 2K14 Dave has to agree with KK’s bullshit agenda. Otherwise, he’ll absolutely be fired by her. You can see it on his face that he hates all of her decision but has to go through with it.
@@wwfnbafan I have heard that a lot of people that disagreed with Kennedy's ideas were fired, so I think he was forced to agree on those things for his career's sake.
@@ReySkywalker2 clone wars was filmed like a movie rather than like an animated show and Dave is a film graduate and trained under George Lucas while making the clone wars, watch BTS of the animated shows and i think you will be surprised at Filoni’s directing chops
It gives a whole new layer of meaning to Anakin and Obi wan's relationship, Anakin's arch, just about the whole Prequel trilogy.😊😊 I love them even more now
And now he stated that he had a brother but he was disconnected to his family in the new series. There was always a brother figure missing in obi wans history but a father figure in anakins history
Exactly. Obi-wan hours early also says "he had never failed me" , he had blind trust on Anakin something that a "Jedi by the book" wouldn't develop. Anakin simply never reciprocated to Obi-wan that level of trust.
The sequel trashilogy was already unnecessary. Ok, I get it, they wanted to create there own story, fine. Then create your own damn story. Leave the original story alone. Don't carelessly and loosely tie in shit that doesn't make sense and sure as hell don't drag the original cast through the mud to artificially raise up the new cast. I would have rather not seen any of the original cast in the those movies at all.
that one line, "in that moment Anakin had to decide to be the father that he never had" that hit like a truck. one sentence that carries so much weight
Remember in the clone wars movie when Anakin said to Ahsoka she wouldn't make it as Obi Wans padawan but she might as his, this shows how Obi Wan was so by the book, but Anakin was reckless and needed someone more like Qui-gon, it was Anakin passing this on to Ahsoka which made her leave the order as she knew it was corrupt as she says in season 7 before leaving for mandalore. Thats why I think Ahsoka was the reason Anakin turned, because her decision made him realise that the coucil was corrupted and thats why he had doubts and looked for his own way to save Padme. Love your vids.
OJ Pistorius I would agree with this however Ashoka wasn’t a character until the Clone wars. In prequel trilogy she wasn’t even a thought so as of then she had nothing to do with him turning to the dark side
@@Lustie well considering this is Star Wars canon and clone wars is the gap in between 2 and 3 in legends and canon it still counts because that's how Star Wars work
Lusty what’s this have to do with the canon universe timeline? Chronologically Ahsoka happened before episode 3 so she is one of the reasons for his turn now.
Luke in the OT: "I won't kill my father who is the second most evil person in the universe because I see that there is good in him" Luke in the sequels: "I think I might kill this kid because he is being tempted by the dark side"
almost like in between he spent a whoel shitload of time pouring over the same jedi texts that caused this dogmatic stupidity in the first place. This only proves the point further. Luke strayed into dogma, failed, and then yoda burned the texts to show luke how he needed to get back to his roots. Idk why people chose the only one of the new films with any good ideas at all to rip on and call the worst one. Fans like that are why disney will never try anything new. Dont get me wrong its a bad movie but so are the other two. at least rian johnson tried to make a movie. with themes. and a plot. it was a failure sure but the other two are a remake, and a complete senseless trainwreck made of pure spite.
Boi new doesn’t mean bad, but new shit is still shit. Ep 8 isn’t Luke, like other people pointed out Luke was the guy that believed that Vader had good in him AND he was also the type of guy that put his friends above everything (ep5 and him going to Bespin when Yoda wanted him to finish his training). I don’t know about you but I doubt that the guy that loves his friends that much would fall to dogma, but rather would have gone the Qui-gon route and accepted that Jedi should be allowed to love, hell I can’t believe they didn’t allow Luke to have children like in Legends, but Kathleen said they didn’t have any “source material” so there’s that...
I know Sam responding on this late, but Filoni proved himself right today in the Finale of the Madalorian. We definitely want a movie with heart and family. Iswear this now if Filoni ever gets cut from Star Wars I am never watching again.
Yeah dude, when I saw that I was like "am I the only one who didn't realise thats why its named duel of the fates?!". Absolutely blew my mind and my perspective of Star Wars and the connection between ep.1 and 6. Filoni is the chosen one.
I think Qui-Gon realized that the Jedi were losing their connection with the people whom they were supposed to protect. That's why he didn't care for being part of the Jedi council. He wanted to stay grounded and help Anakin the only he knew how. By showing him genuine empathy, instead of just running him through a machine-like institution and becoming just another weapon of the Jedi council.
This makes Anakin being left out of the Sequel Trilogy even more mind boggling. He means everything to the story and people are still talking about it. Pure stupidity on Disney’s part.
alex erickson exactly The main character of Star Wars is Anakin. And in the sequels he is completely left out. He doesn’t even take part in the final scene of episode 9
I don't mind Anakin not being in the new trilogy, if they had told a different story. In my view they "reopened" the Skywalker saga. Had they told a story about a different threat, even with legacy characters like Han Luke Leia and their kids etc you could have not had Anakin. But his grandkid worshipping his mask, being trained by a puppet of a resurrected Palpatine? Well now you've got your Disney all over my Skywalker saga. Tread carefully... But they didn't, to quote Yoda, they were reckless, now things are worse, and I don't think there's another...
Honour and Family Yeah right. Rey is just such an bad character she’s just there cause she’s a woman. This feminist bitch Kathleen Kennedy cares just about the fact that Rey is a ‘strong’ female character then about a good character development
@@Trikeboy2 Lots of haters out there. There may be some Star Wars I don't like as much, but I still love it. People complaining all the time is what ruins it for me.
@@mrsmokingskittles148 so someone who loves more of star wars than you do doesn't love star wars, but you do? That makes absolutely no sense. You just love non-disney (or perhaps just non-sequel?) star wars. They love all star wars. If you think the second is worse than the first so be it, but the fact remains both groups of people love star wars.
Obi-Wan after the council say that the boy won’t be trained says “The boy is dangerous Master, the council senses it why can’t you?” I think it because in Qui-gons hands Anakin wasn’t dangerous.
That's a good point! He saw the future he would create, even unto excluding the future that would not occur if he was in the picture. This makes Qui Gon's death even more sad.
Literally, from his point of view ;D It all REALLY depends greatly upon ones point of view. If Anakin is trained from Obi-wans point of view, it represents a huge threat. But not if he was trained from Qui-gon's. Personally? I always saw it this way, I loved when the Plagueis novel confirmed my perspectives on it for me(sorry, for me that is canon, and the sequels are not).
The, “You will not take her from me!” line from Anakin to Obi Wan (about Padme) on Mustafar makes a lot more sense now that we know he blames Obi for the loss of his mother
Honestly, with the prequels, George just needed help with staging scenes and writing dialogue. When it comes to themes and world building he knows what he's doing.
Matthew Stryletz George created every aspect that made the prequel era another mythological goldmine. That's an impressive imagination and George's originality. 2nd to none!
Notice how in his speech he never mentioned episodes 7-9 because those episodes don’t contribute anything to the true story of Star Wars which is about anakin and his redemption which was complete in episode 6 bringing the saga to an end not what Disney made up for episode 9
To be fair, George had three more movies planned, they were scripted (at least first draft) when the sale happened, and as far as I know looked nothing like the trilogy.
Team Red Shirt this is true but I heard he had the ideas for them but didn’t do them because he thought the story was about anakin and that story finished with his redemption in return of the Jedi
Delta949 exactly! The sequel trilogy had a release date before they ever had a story, plan, outline, any passion, any creative vision, etc. Thus 3 horrible convoluted films that were "money grab" abominations. The only Star War's that matter was SW Rebels, Rogue One, TCW Season 7, & The Mandalorian. All passion projects that had a vision, outline, great story, great setting, originality, etc.
caring is not enough. Plenty of people cared about star wars 7-9. I do not believe for a second that abrams or johnson wanted to make bad movies. Caring and wanting to make a good star wars movie is not enough. I can tell if a star wars movie is good but I cannot write one. It would be awful fan fiction. Disney wants to make money. They do not want to make bad star wars movies because that is bad for business. Episode 9 did not make enough money and Disney is 100% aware of why that is the case. Disney did not spend a few billion on the star wars IP and give episode 7-9 a 600 million budget for a cash grab because they think long term.
Closing one of THE most successful Game Studios out there, LucasArts, and replacing them with EA tells you everything you need to know about who's in charge at LucasFilm.
Lucasfilm between 2004-2005 created the battlefront series, the kotor series, commando and that’s just to name some in that time period, they’re now considered classics and master pieces by the ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY not just the Star Wars community, and EA made 3 games in 7 years and ruined the first one, ruined the second one then redeemed it too late and now they no longer are actively servicing it, then Created a game which one of the EA top boys said no one would like, then went on to become a contender for game of the year... just goes to show how much EA care
It’s actually incredible how we talk about this material with so much emotion as if these were real people in history. Like, when he says Qui Gon was fighting for Anakin that gave me like a lump in my throat
We need to make a list about all the things Filoni has done for STAR WARS. - He brought back Legends materials into Canon. Such as Thrawn. - He made the prequels era way better. - When Clone Wars got cancelled, he managed to end some of the loose lines in Rebels. - He gave Maul a second and awesome chance. - He created some of the best stories in the new canon. Just add more things if you want😉
@@supa4ys843 if you think there was no amount of seeing Palpatine as a father figure you're just blatantly incorrect. Even if he was more motivated by the idea of saving padme, he still had a selfishness in him from a very early point and he wanted control of things more than he had and choosing to do what he did was based in those feelings and seeing a guidance and father like figure in Palpatine it made it all the more easy to ignore the things he knew were wrong about the whole situation and just trust in this person to guide him
One of the most incredible details within the music of Star Wars is that the exact same music is used in both the funeral of Qui Gon and the transformation of Anakin into Darth Vader, drawing a connection between the events
I don't think the idea is that Kenobi never truly cared for Anakin, he loved the hell out of him. The problem was they were more like brothers rather than Kenobi being a master. Qui-Gon was more of a father figure
Exactly this, I detail how they viewed Ashoka's relationships. Iirc, they like Plo as her father figure; Yoda to a grandfather, and Anakin and Obi Wan as her older brothers. I think the same could be said of Anakin's own relationships. Qui Gon was going to be the father he never had; whereas Obi Wan, an older brother. As with any older brother, you're going to have petty squabbles but you'll always have for love them, even it's buried deep down.
“It matters which side we choose. Even if there will never be more light than darkness. Even if there can be no more joy in the galaxy than there is pain. For every action we undertake, for every word we speak, for every life we touch-it matters. I don’t turn toward the light because it means someday I’ll ‘win’ some sort of cosmic game. I turn toward it because it is the light.” Qui-Gon Jin. That's a quote from the Master and Apprentice book by Claudia Gray and I just love it, I think it's one of the most meaningful statements from all of Star Wars and it really captures not just Qui-Gon's character and beliefs but also the whole point of this ancient battle between good and evil or light and dark, I think it speaks to us, to our own individual selves when we are faced with the worst in us. Hope Dave Filoni leads Star Wars to what it once was and what it should be from now on.
Claudia Gray is to the new-canon novels what Filoni is to Star Wars as a whole. She is THE Luceno (although no one can replace his legacy) of this Star Wars novel generation.
I love this, this reminds of a C.S Lewis quote. “I believe in Christ like I believe in the sun. Not because I can see it, but by it, I can see everything else.”
“In canon, I believe now, if Dave’s saying it, it’s as good as coming from George’s mouth pretty much for me...” The true words of embrace by Star Wars fans
At this point, why not? He was working with George for a few years, he's pretty dedicated to Star Wars lore and he's proven again and again that he's capable of creating great star wars content.
Petition to give this man emergency powers to save this franchise.
He is the SENATE
Granted
@@jacko_3770 I love the republic
@@toastedbuuns13 The better question is should he.
Lol save? My dude, SW is fine. Mando was awesome, Fallen Order was awesome, Clone Wars 7 was awesome. And sure, TRoS had it's faults, but many people (including me) at least had a fun time watching it. SW is better than fine.
When the Clone Wars began, Dave was but the learner, now HE is the master.
Only a master at getting caught.
He started as an animator. Lucas literally taught him like his apprentice. WHY ISNT HE IN CHARGE OF STARWARS!!!
@@emmanuelcruz1579 he will be My child, the force acts in strange ways
I love how I read this as a Darth Vader voice I’m my head.
Cleaver way of referring to Vader lol
Dave Filoni has become the Star Wars master George Lucas trained him to be.
Emperor Zoditron this comment should have more likes
George Lucas has taught him well
When they first met he was but the learner now he is the master
Either Dave filoni or Jon favreau should be president of Star Wars (my opinion)
maryam tanveer it would be interesting if they were co-presidents
So Obi-wan redeemed himself by being the father figure Luke needed.. and Luke healed them both by his love and forgiveness and hope. Wow. Masterpiece 😭
I think you're right about Luke- he redeemed the failure of Obi-Wan and Anakin. But I think Obi-Wan realized he could not be the one to raise Luke. He was not father material- he was a Jedi. He could not love a child like a father must, hence the fall of Anakin. The best thing that he could do for Luke is to go away, to let him have a family, to watch from afar as he did- only revealing his true self when the time was right to guide Luke in the way of the Jedi.
@@spooky3394 I believe that you hit the nail directly on the head. It is theme that reappears in the new series as well. Grogu redeems Din Djarin by the end of season 2 episode 8. Din risks everything to save his child and breaks his clans rules by showing his face and feeling (crying) unashamedly in front of the world.
I think Luke will return Grugu to Din after he has taught him to master his abilities.
Yes Victoria , but remember Anakin killed palpatine. Luke's love made him see the truth he hid all along. Only the two of them could finish the darkside off - as Yoda said "always two there are" about the sith.
I love how after that all the original 6 films have a whole new layer of meaning.😄😄
These are all really awesome comments guys, thanks 😄
I could listen to Dave Filoni break down Star Wars for hours.
Ninja AMEN!!!!!
Ninja totally
Same bro
Exactly
He is but a servant of the force.
"Qui-Gon hasn't given up on the fact that Jedi are suppose care and love," that part got me.......
Same bro
Why he's my fav jedi
For real bro
It makes me sad that Obi-wan doesnt figure things out until much later. If he had been different earlier, it might have saved Anakin and the Republic.
@@mgshadow45 well he did know about anakin and padme but nothing else
Dave Filoni next time he sees George: “when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.”
One that becomes a Master never feels they are a Master. Like Yoda told Luke confront your fear and at last you will be a Knight we don't deserve. Another Master will tell an Apprentice they have become an Equal but we are always learning.
only a master of genius, Dave
Ades4Life Perfect 👌🏾
@@tomcat124us R/woooooooosh.
But then George will become a force ghost in front of Dave.
The line "You were my brother Anakin!" now have a whole new meaning.
THIS
@let's talk Something a fatherless younger brother might say to an older brother. Obi wan might really have been the closest to a father he ever had...which is why he fell to the darkside. It wasn't enough.
My thoughts exactly! Everything just got a little clearer and brighter. George is so MUCH more than an entertainer. He understands the need of the human spirit... family, love, relationships, conflict, hope, and victory. AND now I'm looking at my own relationships differently, LOL, because of Star Wars.
Oh man that line hits me straight to the core. "You were my brother Anakin, I loved you!" I mean, it's heartbreaking. Even if Obi Wan never wanted to be a father figure to Anakin..he definitely cared for him deeply. That entire sequence at the end of Revenge of the Sith is both tragic and poetic simultaneously. Even if we knew how it was going to end, the emotional impact of this scene will always tie the entire arc together. George is a genius.
@@shawnd4415 ikr. That line just breaks my heart every time I see it
God, let this man lead LucasFilm, he gets it he understands it, but doesn’t let his “fan boy” cloud his judgement but rather have a clear view of what George wanted all along for His characters to become and to be remembered for.
This is it!!!
Exactly
Honestly i think if he led LucasFilm it would somewhat limit his creativity, but yeah, he truly is THE successor to George Lucas.
I would take Jon Favreau to be president as well, I think him and Dave would work really well together.
Not goddamn Kathleen Kennedy
The guy is an absolute genius, I could listen to Filoni talk about Star Wars all day.
Euan Carlin AMEN!!
This plus seeing Vader in Anakins shadow in Attack of the Clones made my appreciation for George grow ten fold.
He was humble enough to realize this was and, hopefully, is George’s story. That’s what KK and RJ didn’t care about-just because you can change the vision doesn’t mean you should if it doesn’t fit or follow the lead of the preceding episodes. There was a complete disconnect with the previous movies after TFA-why did Luke go off the deep end when he was the hopeful one who refused to turn to the dark side? He risked everything to bring Anakin back from the sith, yet he becomes a hermit when Ben falls? Wouldn’t Luke have fought tooth and nail to turn him back? Nothing flows from the original movies to the last two installments, and the change in some of the lead characters ie, Luke especially was too jarring. If Luke knew that all the previous Jedi live on in the latest generation and could help in the fight against the Sith then why didn’t he seek their help? We need these new visionaries to take charge of George Lucas’ story, not take a sledgehammer to it.
yah hes the shit, still crazy tho how amazing star wars movies are that people are talking about it like it's real history. nothing comes close to what Lucas did.
Honestly the passion he has for Star Wars makes me love it even more and just opens my eyes about the prequels even more, I loved the prequels regardless, but if anyone doesn’t like them, show them this, they will see it in a completely different light
I loved the prequels personally, this just made everything so much better.
people who didnt like the prequels grew up with the original trilogy, and the cycle continues
@@user-zu6ts5fb6g Could not agree more.
@@ReptarTheUgly yeah but even if the new trilogy had good storywriting there would still be the same type of haters, that being said its trash nevertheless
I put down agreements.
Ryan same. they were my childhood and they just make the ogs 10x better because there's a story behind vader and the skywalker family. it sucks that they got/get hate because of the dialogue when the stories themselves are great. one in particular is attack of the clones sure it had cheesy dialogue for padme and anakin but it shows the attachment and obsession he begins to have over padme and the hatred growing in him after obi wan basically stopped him from saving his mother. it sucks that ppl hate that movie because i personally think it's pretty good. but it's not revenge of the sith lol
Notice how everyone is super quiet and intently listening to Dave here. He should be President of Lucas Film. He understands Star Wars as much as George Lucas does.
Maybe not the president cause the president would took care of everything like businesses,
Even George lucas Himself never touch the business thing in lucasfilm he just wanted to create the movie.
So I think the best word to say is we want Dave filoni writing and directing Star Wars.
Yeah they act as if he is the supreme lord
BECAUSE HE IS
Dave President of Disney 2024
Fanbase: Tell me, is Dave the chosen one?
Lucas: He is.
Fanbase: He will avenge us...
Luke..........Luke...
Great comment
This comment wins
CLO187 Indeed
Thx for the compliments guys
I HAVE SAID THIS FOR YEARS!!!! MOST UNDERRATED JEDI OF ALL TIME QUI-GON JINN!!
Yea he even invented force ghosts
@@freedom_ot *discovered
Moe Lester yea u rite
If you think of it from a Shakespearean angle, Qui-Gon is Duncan, previous king, Obi-Wan is Malcom, and Anakin is Romeo. I think if George tried to stick closer to the three Shakespearean characters he tried, also as great as duel of fates serves narratively I think if they had Dooku be the Macbeth the entire time it would've worked better.
That’s why he’s my favorite 🤷🏻♂️
You know what I just realized? Sidious wanted Luke to strike him down, right? He wanted him to kill him so he would taste the darkness, and if you recall, Luke actually tries to. The only reason he didn't was because Vader deflects it.
I always saw that scene as "Oh, Vader's defending the Emperor, because he's so far down the dark path." But if Sidious wanted to die by Luke's hand, wouldn't Vader defending him basically be counterproductive to Sidious? I'd go as far as to say the one reason Luke doesn't turn to the dark side is because Vader managed to block him from killing Sidious, and though Luke gets close to killing Vader, he doesn't because Vader's his father.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is, I think despite all Vader's talk about wanting to rule the Galaxy and taking down the Emperor with Luke, in that moment, he stops Luke from giving into the darkness. He spares his son of the pain he's suffered all these years as Darth Vader, and shows that the conflict of light and dark is far more intrusive than it even seemed by the end of the fight.
*_{[TL;DR]},_* Sidious wanted Luke to strike him down, but Vader blocks Luke from doing so. I think this was the Anakin in him trying to spare his son from the Dark Side.
Very well said. I didn't think about it that way either til now🤣
That's an interesting point of view, and maybe Vader's intention was to spare Luke from going dark. But I don't think for a minute Sidious wanted to actually be struck down by Luke. He wanted to taunt Luke relentlessly to push him towards the dark knowing full well Vader would deflect any blow coming his way. Because in the end Sidious wanted to live and rule only using his apprentices as pawns.
Parkstar 7
Yeah because every master gets killed by their apprentice and sidious wants to stay in power so I think he wanted look to attack him tcause he knows vader will block it. Then, luke will attack vader until one suceeds. Sidious will then kill the weakened survivor.
swttheorized that from the novelization of the rise of Skywalker book.
That is an interesting way to look at it. If this were the case, I like the implications it would add to the lore.
“Give the kids hope cause they need it” the absolute truth.
@@jeffjeffr7899 was that an absolute tho??
@@indexifee8791 yes it was
10:59 Relative or absolute, I’ll take it. 👏🏼
YES!!!
We need Dave to remake the sequel trilogy with competent storytelling.
The Game Chasers unfortunately they would never do that : ( , hopefully competent storytelling will be possible with new stories in new time periods :)
People would love that but we all know that Disney overlords and Kathleen Kennedy aren't going to let that happen
@@ReySkywalker2 lol k. So does a game of Mad Libs, right?
@@ReySkywalker2 Hahahahahaha, sorry....you caught me off guard. I thought we were having a serious conversation here haha. All those expensive degrees writing disney star wars and it still turned out a convoluted mess and an inept attempt at closing out the third act of a 3-part set of trilogies. Yup. Three movies, 3 totally different visions. Totally COMPETENT storytelling!
@@ReySkywalker2 stfu
you can literally pick any character in star wars and dave will make him an ultra legendary with epic story
Niyaz Kaan Dağçınar whyy u laughing
The legendary gonk droid?
Green titty milk creature in the sequel films 😂🤣
I think Dave should make a Clone Wars style show of the sequel era with Rey, Finn etc.; he is the one who could fix a lot of stuff and improve characters people don't like.
@@MrElatan I... Actually want to see that. I think thats a really cool idea. It would help fill in the gaps, I think. Maybe a series that takes place in between episode 8 and 9, since that's when the most amount of time has passed?
Dave Filoni is the chosen one when it comes to George Lucas legacy.
KevLord_99 aswell
As Jon favreau
Cart3r 38 Of course both are great!
Cart3r 38 he will help the future of the galaxy!
Indeed he is
He will avenge us....
I've come to realize that the deeper you go into the lore of star wars, the more heart breaking it becomes.
Yeeeuupppp.
THIS IS SO TRUE!!!
The tragedy of Darth Vader, The Broken...
It’s one of the most tragic stories I’ve ever witnessed, never found anything else that comes close. It’s heartbreaking
@@HyakuJuu01300 True. Anakin grew up as a slave, then he became (in his eyes) a slave of the Jedi to fulfill their prophecy and thus couldn't lead the life he wanted to lead, then he became a slave of his emotions as a Sith lord and when he finally came free he died.
There's such a beauty to Filoni's understanding of Star Wars.
The only reason why I didn’t like this comment is bc it was on 66 and I didn’t wanna ruin it🤣🤣
“Execute Order 66...”
More or less. Everyone sees things differently.
Now its 166
Nero380 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
We need a podcast of George and Dave explaining these kinds of things to us. I don't think even the biggest fans would ever make that connection and know the true meaning George had while creating Star Wars.
I have watched a interview of George saying he doesn't like to answer kinda questions exsplaining stuff because he wants people to make their own theorys. I would love that though!!!
Disney would never allow it. They are so controlling.
If even the biggest fans can't work it out unless being told directly, then George failed as a film maker. People should be able to figure out the message of your films from watching your films. If they need to be told, then you need to do things differently.
This just reinforces the point why Qui-Gon is the quintessential Jedi among the rest.
He isn't. Qui-Gon is very flawed. He's arrogant, stubborn, trust only his instincts and don't care about the consequences of his actions. He's far from perfect.
Filoni is just a Qui-Gon fanboy, he doesn't see the flaws of this great character.
@@Vos661 I believe your referring to Qui-Gon's personality, hence to say all people and characters do have their flaws, regardless of, thats always been the issue with the human species as a whole. In any case, the point I'm making, is that Qui-Gon is the best interpretation of what a Jedi should be; despite of course having character/individual flaws. Yet it's because of these character/individual flaws that we have; give us the chance to learn, and grow as a human being; and Qui-Gon, is of course, no exception to that notion.
Hmm some would have you believe its actually Ashoka
@@Vos661 the fact that he was able to master the force well enough to become a force ghost despite his flaws is what would make him the quintessential jedi
@@RaikenXion she's very Qui-gon like. She matches up to a lot of what Filoni says about Qui-gon here, which makes sense she's his baby and her character is there to show how far the Jedi have wandered from the path and become corrupt.
When he says "We soulfully react, we don't just want an action movie", that's how I felt when I watched The Mandalorian
I just csn soulfully react to mandalorian, it lacks deepness in my opinion . The baby yoda is just forced branding
S2 of the Mandalorian (excluding the finale) , the first two prequels - they were all just action flicks.
@@cucumberwater6 season 2 was better but 1 was still emotional as hell. I have spoken.
They are all sitting there listening to him like he's answering questions that they never knew they had.
He truly is the chosen one.
What did filoni say if order 66 failed
George Lucas: “You are strong and wise, Dave Filoni, and I am very proud of you.”
Yoda & the Star Wars fan base: “I agree.”
Yoda: agree, I do
Darth Soldier Yoda actually said, “I agree” normally in ROTS when he decided to aid the Wookies in the Clone Wars. His form of speech will never not astound me.
Yay 😁 mr filoni good do star 🌟 wars relly awesome job on clone wars and rebels also 1st episodes of star wars mandalorian
No, I disagree. The man does not know what the fuck he is doing. He's just seen as competent because his garbage still looks amazing when compared to the Sequels, which are literally the worst thing that could have ever happened to Star Wars.
@@DraculaCronqvist Ok buddy
I'm so glad that the Prequels were my introduction to Star Wars. Not only do I get to see the fully realized imagination and lore of the Galaxy, let alone the grit of war, but the story of Anakin Skywalker was an amazing tragedy.
ew
Yeah prequels are awesome
I feel like being 1st introduced with prequels helps comprehend the huge potential of force users and how the universe is when the force is balanced and it's slow descend. then watching the original trilogy I understand how far the universe and jedi have fallen
@@bigstunna2049 It also places a lot more depth into the Original Trilogy when you remember the events of the Prequels and watch the OT, focusing on the finishing of Anakin's story from Vader rather than the focal point of Luke Skywalker's story.
Star Wars has ALWAYS been about Fatherhood. That's why the Mandalorian Feels SO Star Wars... and why the Sequels were just thematically/emotionally off.
But, but, but...... Da farce iz female!!!!!
*REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!*
That's an interesting perspective, actually.
so true...you got it!
@@Logalactic
Yeah, I'm not sure if I 100% agree with it, but that's definitely worth thinking about
@@Logalactic George has said himself that it's literally a soap opera about a family. It's just a story about lineage and family
Dave is literally the type of guy to walk into a frat party and draw a crowd of people just by talking about Star Wars
Keanu Reeves ive never seen this Keanu
Mr keanu I have to inform you that you are breath taking.
give him the keys. Favreau is a fantastic creator and hopefully knows that Filoni is the true heir to Lucas kingdom.
I'm sure he knows, Favreau voiced Pre-Vizla in The Clone Wars while Filoni was one of the creative leads.
"Welcome to Star Wars 101, I am your instructor, Professor Dave Filoni."
I have watched this clip about 6 times or so, and when they cut to Bryce, And John and all the other directors, you can see them just absorbing this information, like they're in a class room! Dave has worked with George the longest in that group, and George called Dave is Protege, his student. He taught him Star Wars. This explanation of Duel of The Fates, Dave learned that from George and that opened HIS mind to what it all means, now he's taught this to them. Dave is the Jedi, and they are the Padawans. We all know Dave should be the person running Star Wars, and THIS proves it!
DAVE IS THE LAST JEDI!
It’s like Yoda training the baby younglings
@Razh 80 good the test is next Tuesday can you send me your notes
Qui Gon wasn't a gray Jedi. He was a true Jedi on the old. It's the council and the rest of the Jedi that have been blinded by power and politics. That's what Dave means.
You basically repeated what he said in the video..
@AiSEL IRAl Are you serious?
@AiSEL IRAl that's great observation
A truly educated fan knows that the only true Jedi IS a gray Jedi. The Je'Daii were originally a "grey" order that sought balance in all things, just like their Bhuddist inspiration. When they turned to the Light Side (leaned too far out of balance) that created the Sith, which in turn created all of the conflict in Star Wars that we know and love.
Qui-Gon was both a Grey Jedi and a true Je'Daii, because those are the same thing.
Where did this grey nonsense come from anyway? It completely threw me off
I think everyone's being harsh on Obi-Wan. He did a lot for Anakin and Luke that he didn't have to.
I don’t think this is meant to be harsh to Obi-Wan. Multiple times in II and III, Anakin refers to Obi-Wan as a father, while Obi-Wan always refers to Anakin as a brother. So it’s not that Obi-Wan didn’t grow to care for Anakin. It’s just that he couldn’t fill the emotional role that Anakin needed at that point in his life, which led him to seek out another father figure - Palpatine.
Since a kid I always disliked obi wan. He lied about everything.
Willpowerbomb couldn't put it better
But he wasn't the father figure Anakin needed. Even at the end, when Obi-wan says, "WE WERE BROTHERS!" - that written on purpose. And having a brother does not replace not having a father.
You can tell by each episode that Anakin being part of Obi-Wan's life made Obi-Wan kinder. Is like Anakin made Obi-Wan know love and affection. Anakin changed Obi-Wan for the better. Obi-Wan tried leading by example but truly believed in Anakin changing the Galaxy the way Anakin changed Obi-Wan life.
"remember to make these stories hopeful. remember to give that to kids. because they need it."
talk about emotional. especially for those of us with no or challenged father figures.
Word up this almost got me emotional.
The Last Jedi:* kills all of the kids heroes.*
In a nutshell, this is called narrative consistency. Brilliant.
consistency that was lost :/
Don't listen to him - he played Count Dooku so his allegiance is to the Dark Side! ; )
Yup, something the sequels clearly don't have. Almost as if 2 different directors had different ideas. Oh wait.
@@woahwoah2207 it's almost as if the 2nd movie in the trilogy was irrelevant because the 3rd one retconned everything
@@spicysnowman8886 ehh I would argue that 7 became irrelevant because of 8 first. The whole point of 7 was the mystery box aspect of it. The answers in 8 were pretty disappointing in my opinion. But yeah, 9 burried the sequels for me.
Dave saved Star Wars in 7 minutes... Dave cares and it shows... it’s not just a story in space, it’s so much more than that and he gets it
Yes, Starwars is timeless, it's not a foretelling of the future or a historical allegory, and it's not commenting on current events. It's transmitting wisdom that was relevant 2000 years ago and will be relevant 2000 years from now.
Dave Filoni has just earned himself the rank of grandmaster.
Sadly they put him on but he’s been passed on rank.. think that times coming to an end soon
Dave Filoni has my support, This is the way.
I have spoken
Obi Wan’s mistake is that he was so worried about being a good teacher for the chosen one and making him the perfect Jedi, That he didn’t teach in what he believed. Clone wars was great in showing that Obi Wan was not the perfect Jedi he seemed to be. He had attachments to a woman and he never really agreed with the council but went along with them anyway. His stance in the council was similar to how he taught Anakin. Always teaching Anakin lessons that did not come from himself because he didn’t truly trust in his own readiness and teachings. His lessons always seemed like he was just telling Anakin what not to just because the Jedi code says so. Obi wan was not ready for any of this so he adopted this strict text book style of teaching. That is why Anakin always protested obi wan and obi wan would In turn add to Anakin’s frustration by not explaining a truly what the lesson meant because he himself didn’t know what the point of most of the Jedi teachings was. Had he used his own beliefs and morals rather than the Jedi’s to teach Anakin, obi wan would have been much better of a mentor. Obi wan was not the most obvious example of what was wrong with the order like Mace Windu was. Instead he was an example of the Jedi who followed the flawed Jedi code without questioning it. Which was a bigger problem and one which made it easy for Sidious to manipulate the whole clone wars.
Asoka: no the chancellor needs you
Obi Wan: That's not fair
I see where you're coming from and your right in how Obi-Wan was more do as I say not as I do with Anakin. But in the book Master And Appreciate we see that's the way Gin treats Obi-Wan. So maybe it comes from Kenobi thinking that's how Gin would have trained him or he only knew what he was taught.
Keith Talaga I haven’t really read that book. Have only seen small parts from it so I am not to aware of their master and apprentice relationship. But yeah all I’m saying is that obi wan’s style of teaching was not suitable for Anakin as he was already to old to be brainwashed by the Jedi into becoming detached. So by Obi Wan never really justifying his teachings with personal experiences It makes sense as to why Anakin was frustrated by him sometimes.
This is important to note when he begins training Luke because how he teaches Luke is radically different from how he taught Anakin.
@@ShamanMcLamie i bet obi-wan got more wisdom from qui-gon from his ghost training on tatooine, like what yoda assigned him at the end of episode 3
Imagine if he had written the story for the sequel trilogy
don't trigger me
@1 It abandoned Lucas. But something happened then the story did not intend. It was picked up by the most unlikely creature imaginable: a CEO, Bob Iger of Disney
@@rustynailsmakerainbows4697 The Force Awaken wasnt bad but Katherine Kennedy should be blamed for The Last Jedi,she was one of the ones that fully supported throwing away the Lucas Story
What could have been ☹️
Oh the possibility of an actual unified fandom. I wonder what Dave Filoni would’ve done for the sequels. 2nd Galactic Civil War would’ve been the best had Harrison Ford not been as old as he was. Maybe Fate of the Order though things needed a lot of build up to get there so that’s an unlikely story. The OG Three were all too old for anything before the end of the Vong War. Maybe a new story under Filoni’s lead would’ve worked better than anything.
The main reason why star wars is what it is, is BECAUSE of the characters. Not the fancy shit. Not the lightsaber fights, not the story even really. But the characters. And this gallery episode confirmed that. You need to get THE CHARACTERS RIGHT because if you don't...dead on arrival.
That's why the sequels are dog shit, bcs the characters are shit
That's why the prequels aren't canon to me. They failed when it comes to characters but hit victory with the effects (at least for the time)
Vince. I was just about to comment this. 😂
If you don't like PT fine
If you like the PT fine.
If you don't like ST fine.
If you do like ST fine.
Just don't be a fucking dick about it I won't stand for that shit in my thread. Point blank period. It's not dapper behavior to shit on those who like or dislike something. We can agree to disagree without being so uncivilized about it.
@@Vincevdb1 and also because the sequels focused heavily on the fancy shit. Yeah CGI and special effects are cool, but if that's the #1 priority of your film/TV show, then it's just empty eye candy with no soul. That's what Dave Filoni understands, and Kathleen Kennedy does not.
I think Ahsoka would have liked Qui Gon, had he not died.
Ahsoka Tano yeah I think you would have
She met him eventually. 🙂
HimynameisjacobNG is she ded?
Nothingo Mucho I mean probably of old age
Weird Walrus she is in the next season of mando
Filoni must run star wars. He is our last hope.
No, there is another (Jon Favreau kind of)
Alexander Balke “Always two there are, never more, never less, a master and an apprentice”
Quote: " I draw that line all the way back from Phantom Menance to [Return of the ] Jedi. That's the story of Star Wars."
Even Dave Filoni recognizes how pointless the sequels are.
Tony Hind “HELP ME FILONI-WAN, YOU’RE MY ONLY HOPE!!!”
if he does and decides to not make a hyper left political message, he would be removed
Star Wars 1-6 is one of the most brilliant stories ever
It truly is and it set the foundation for many years of star wars content to come hopefully it's Dave and Fav who make this content since they understand what Star Wars is.
Hands down, even how anakin was porttrayed was PLANNED! truly a masterpiece with little compare
Star Wars 1-6 is just a masterpiece, George has created a masterpiece that will forever be in my heart
@@titanhail0495 1-6 had mistakes too like jar jar and some late sgi decisions. Id say because of that there just shy of a masterpiece but very close. 7-9 dont even come close even with all the advancments in movie making regarding special effects. The non fans that work on these projects think the better special effects actually means something to star wars fans cos its so heavily decored in it but its the story and character deveoplment that make it feel real in a setging as unrealistic as starwars. I would argue the sequels actually would have been better if they had less money to use and had to be more creative rather than letting the special effects carry the burden of keeping the viewer interseted. The non fans see star wars as just lasers and aliens so just chuck more of them in there as apposed to actually knowing and telling the story fans want to see
But to me at least episode 1 to 3 is trash tho
These people right here, sitting on that table...
THEY are the future of Star Wars. Praise them.
The true jedi council
So excited for Taika’s Star Wars
Not bryce dallas howard
It took Filoni to explain the Prequels in way that was even remotely satisfying. It's either great story-writing and terrible screenplay, or it's terrible story-writing and great retconning. This is exactly why I want GL to stay far away from the franchise from now on. He's done enough to his legacy with Crystal Skull and the Prequels. Filoni made a fine apprentice, but now _he_ is the master.
@@iaxelxd I was going to say that
Dave should be the Kevin Feige of Star Wars. The lack of a real direction for the sequel trilogy is what killed it.
There was no story or greater meaning. No character archs. Just shameless rehashing of the war aspects/small group of rebels win against the big bad empire. There was no care given to creating an authentic Star Wars experience that ANIMATED series with limited budgets can capture perfectly. The sequels are disgusting cash grabs and nothing else. We as fans should band together and force the “sequels” to be uncanonized.
M00SE414 u do know the last Jedi is what Lucas sequels would of looked like ??? That was the arc he had for Luke. If anything the sequels prove that you don’t need to be a skywalker to carry thier legacy on
@@aaronm4841 You do realize that someone with Skywalker blood saved the day? Rey never would have stood a chance without the redemption of Kylo. It's still about the redemption of Skywalker's and about a Skywalker.
You can't say what George would have done. He made 6 movies about the Skywalker's so sorry... What you're saying just doesn't track.
M00SE414 you captured that perfectly, I personally don’t even consider the sequels cannon because they make all of the other movies meaningless.
@@DanielYGOandCR I can tell you that I have no desire to watch them. I'm MORE than satisfied with 1-6, Clone Wars, Rebels, and Mandalorian.
That’s why towards the end of revenge of the sith...Obi-wan said “I have failed you anakin I have failed you” there’s a reason why he said that
Because he failed qui gon, to train him properly.
@@derrickdawes7598 Obi tried, but Qui Gon has that fatherly quality.
@@mlo009 exactly yes. He tried, and he was possible the greatest Jedi during the clone wars, but he wasnt the father figure Anakin needed. As you could see in the clone wars he was not yet even a brother, but in revenge of the Sith he was a great friend and brother, but not what qui gon would have been.
@Matias Martinez that's a bit of a stretch. the fact that they misinterpreted the prophecy wasnt out of arrogance but out of a narrow and strict code of being that prevented them to truly grasp the nature of the prophecy. Obi wanted Anakin to become a great Jedi without realizing he was supposed to become something greater, the perfect being, the one who lives in balance (Light/Dark - Jedi/Sith). Jedi could never become Anakin because they were afraid of the Dark, they wouldnt go as far as tap into that territory, and so they never truly understood goodness, cause they didnt want to deal with true evil. Obi cared very much about anakin, he loved him like a Jedi would love somebody, he respected him but it's not his fault he was raised a Jedi his whole life and Jedi arent arrogant, they just become clueless to the very essence of balance (mostly because of the thousands of years of peace), which is Light and Dark, not just Light.
@Matias Martinez great take I never thought of it that way. I thought if the light side ruled of that long balance would be for the dark side to rule but I like your take more
It amazes me how many people, to this day, state that the prequel trilogy is unnecessary and a useless set of movies when they literally ellucidate the fate of the Starwars univers and how it got there. They are my three favorite. There is power to knowing a villan as a child. It uplifts the story in and irreplaceable way.
for real, i dont really get why it get so much hate considering its the best trilogy
Star Wars is literally the story of Anakin Skywalker from child to his very own fate and the love between him and his Padme.
In George Lucas' own words: "Star Wars is about the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker." People who can't accept the prequels are entitled OT elitists.
The reason people don’t like them is because they’re bad movies while I do think they had cool ideas they were poorly executed with shitty dialogue
@@redlightning6166 a real star wars fan even likes the bad things, hate is not the jedi way 🤓
I love how it’s about the Mandalorian, but Dave just veers off and talks about Anakin for 7 minutes.
There isn’t a story without Anakin ❤️
he talked about family. it applies to it all.
@@charliehenning5567 there isn't starwars without anakin (until disney rub there mouse hungry money hand into this franchise basically tricking george lucas who doesn't have the money to make the sequels that they will make the sequels george wanted but ultimately betraying his trust but never admitting it but let's not talk about my rant )
@@NoName-st2jl You actually think that's why George Lucas sold the franchise? LMFAO.
And anyone at that table who got lost should be fired and replaced with ones who understand. Deborah and John got it. Not sure about the rest.
Which ALSO explains why the Duel music sounds SO intense... because that moment will determine the FATE of Anakin. O M G.
Duel of the fates is played when Anakin's fate is decided so in Epidsode I and Episode III on Mustafar.
@@Ledwan-ls6kh Also in Episode II when he is searching for his mother... and we all know what that searched lead to.
which also also explains why the music doesn't come back when Kenobi fights Maul alone. The Duel of the Fates is already over, Maul & Sidious were the victors.
More so. Duel of the FateS. Plural. It decided the fate of Anakin, Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and the galaxy itself.
@@DATFilms and a part of Duel of the Fates played when Anakin went ham against Ventress in the 2003 Clone Wars
"These stories are very uplifting."
*Clone Wars Season 7:* hello there
But for real while Clone Wars ends on an INCREDIBLY bleak note, there's.....there's still that sense of hope there. It's amazing.
I would argue that it ends on the most uplifting note that it could have, given the circumstances.
Because, yeah, it's dark and depressing. It's supposed to line up with the end of ROTS, so obviously it was going to end on the beginning of the darkest hour in the Galaxy's history.
But the important thing is that it ends on Vader, sad broken husk of our former hero who's now nothing but an emotionless enforcer of the darkside, being reminded of his past through picking up the lightsaber that he made for his beloved apprentice. And then he looks to the sky and even tho he doesn't know what she is, he's being watched by Morai, a living avatar of the Lightside of the Force and in that moment we see his eyes and we know that no matter how obscured and tinted by darkness he is, Anakin is still in there. He's just waiting for that push to be broken free.
There is always a flipside to "uplifting", and it was very well executed in the clone wars final season. The problem with the new movies is they are neither this nor that. They are just empty, soulless, boring husks, and that is why they fail.
it's not obi wan doesn't care, it's that he's too young, he shouldn't have that responsibility, he's not even a jedi master yet, that's why everything goes to hell
and the metaphor here is when an irresponsible parent forces the bigger child to raise the younger, that's a responsibility of the parent not the child, they are both children
Excactly my thoughts as well he was just way to young and unexperienced.
@@erikherb59 exactly yeah
He wasn’t even a jedi *knight* yet, let alone master.
Not about age although it would have helped, its about character. Obi was the wrong character to train aniken. jin was the only jedi that still had real connection with the force and jin was the only one that understood aniken. Without jin aniken should never been trained as the risk of turning dark was too great and the council knew it. Obi is almost the opposite of aniken with very low risk of turning dark, being jedi for obi is almost too easy where others had to struggle with overcoming there emotions like jin or windu. Thats why obi never really understood aniken cos he was riddled with inner conflict that obi has never really had to deal with and therefor didnt know how to help aniken deal with it in the way he needed, you could even say obi style of guidence actually inadvertently pushed him to seek help elsewhere aka dark side.
@@biz09ification I have inner conflict with your spelling.
Dave Filoni is the chosen one, Disney must see it.
Dragoninthewest the chosen one will destroy
The one who is to bring balance to the trilogies?
Connor Linley I think he already has🙂
Can’t wait for him to throw Kathleen Kennedy down an elevator shaft
Our One True Emperor me?
I just realized this is why Duel of The Fates plays when Anakin is on his speeder going to find his mother. I'm commenting late so no one will see this but I think that was intentional.
Edit: Duel of The Fates plays before Anakin lost his mother and father (qui-gon)
I also think I understand why George made Anakin born with no father.
It seems every time Duel of the Fates played in the first 2 movies, its always tied to Anakin’s parental figures - first a man he saw as a father, and then his actual mother
and people still think it's Maul's theme
@@EricGraham94 it's also played on Mustafar
@@goodmind4940 all this time it was the theme of anakin 😳
@@goodmind4940 Can you blame them tho? It debuted with the Maul fight lol
just to clarify, obi wan does care for anakin and does have a special relationship with him. However it becomes an older brother type relationship, not the father son relationship he needed which he would've gotten from Qui Gon. Saying obi wan did'nt care for him is wrong.
Obi-wan didnt care at first. "Why do i feel like we have picked up another pathetic life form?" He later grew to look at him as a brother.
@@ulfgunnarrhatifadir7163 yes not at first, but my point is he eventually grew to have a loving relationship with him.
I 100 percent agree boom for obi wan cares for him, sure he was training anakin from a promise, but their relationship grew, the reason he became a brother instead of a father was because obi wan never wanted a padawan, evidence is because he wanted to be like his master wants to be his master. Obi wan cares a good deal.
So what the video said? Good observation skills potato
Also, remember that Obi-wan was still a padawan in TPM. He didn't really have the mastery yet necessary to train a jedi properly. (Not saying he didn't try his best)
“And Anakin then has to decide in that moment to be the father that he’s never had.”
My tears started welling up
If I remember right, Obi-Wan told Anakin he was like a “brother” to him in Ep3
That’s exactly what’s said.
But anakin considers him to be a father figure. Like he said it in the attack of the clones "you are the closest thing I have to a father "
And he loved him as a son
Akshit Bansal but it’s not enough, which is the point. With Quigon, it could have been enough
Obi-Wan didn't originally care to have him around (although he did seem to like him), but he absolutely grew to care for him as a little brother. It clearly tore him apart to see Anakin fall.
But Anakin needed a father. If he had both Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, he'd have a whole family. Instead, he was left with too many holes.
Imagine how much better the sequel trilogy would have been if Dave Filoni was the head of Lucasfilm
Wimbish Westy -
I think it would be better if Jon Favreau was the president of Lucasfilm, with Dave Filoni VicePresident in charge of the creatives and storytelling.
The Grey Path I think it would be best if dave and Jon were the story tellers and directors for the sequel trilogy only because they both make some amazing content and being president and Vice President would pull that chance to create away from them
And the prequels, imho.
Zach Beckman but in all honesty Kathleen Kennedy needs to get fired so the passionate creators can make content that the fans enjoy and want to see, instead of going in the Woke direction
@@thegreypath1777 exactly
Not only did anakin lose his parental figures but he ended up seeking out his father in Palpatine.
the man he thinks can save padme and create order...unlike the man jedi who caused his mom's death he thinks and his wifes death and all these issues through war..he a a former slave that was abandoned wants order
Practically justified
Papa palpy
@@razkable do you think that relates to when he says, "from my point of view the jedi are evil" it would make sense since the jedi were the reason his mother died and eventually how padme would die. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
As well as Obi Wan being too young to become the father Anakin needed.
Qui-Gon understood attachment theory. The core basis of all human development.
You spot on there @Charissa kay if only 7,8 & 9 were written by people that understood this instead of baiting everyone with mystery that had no relevance or completion, what a waste of a huge story .
@@warrenroach3026 Lol, if only 1, 2 and 3 were written by people who could put what Dave said on the screen
@@nathanliteroy9835 They did, the dialogue is what needed to be fixed, with that it would have been far better than it was
@@ThrashTillDeth85 No, dialogue was not the only thing that needed to be fixed
@@warrenroach3026 The problem was that Rey came out of nowhere with no training and the dialogue absolutely sucked.
He is the chosen one, the one thought to bring balance to lucas film/Disney Star Wars
These two men are the only ones that should be directing movies
It's sad hearing Dave say want him to remember to bring hope to people as it's needed in the world. Yet so many fans and media have bashed George for so many years. It hurts to realise that.
"Why it works, and why we care. It's not about X-Wings. It's not about all these things we decorate Star Wars in... We soulfully react. We don't just want an action movie. We want to be uplifted."
Damn... Disney had this guy and they didn't have him do the sequel trilogy. At least they got it right with all the TV shows.
Aaaaaand then Kenobi came out. The TV shows aren't spotless any more
@@guitarist4life00 and the book of boba fatt.
Boba Fett and Kenobi had the same issues the Disney sequels had: they both relied on surface level nostalgia without understanding the series thematically.
Obi Wan beating Darth Vader twice (Mustafar and Vanqor) makes Vader look weak and Kenobi ridiculous. There is even a good end point for the Vanqor duel when Vader has Kenobi buried under an avalanche. It would also explain why no one was looking for Obi Wan at the time of the original Star Wars. Vader probably killed thousands after that fight and Obi Wan is now responsible since he didn’t finish him off.
@@ricopena2053 not only that, but it would perfectly explain Vadar's surprise at feeling Obi Wan on the first Death Star. He presumed Kenobi to be dead and the fact he was one of the only people to survive a duel with Vadar makes him extremely dangerous. However, how easily he defeated him, hence why Vadar is comfortable going after him alone whereas after losing to him twice, there's no way he'd go after Kebobi alone.
qui-gon wasn't a grey jedi, he was a TRUE JEDI, pretty sure Filoni said this in that clip, or maybe on one of the celebration videos I recently watched. Qui Gon wasn't a grey jedi, he was the only one who was acting like a true jedi, as the council were too busy meddling with politics among other things.
That is one very concise comment! I think thats why he allways seemed removed from most other jedi in the council, he moved where there force guided him and not used the force to guide him (I hope it is clear what I am trying to say, english is not my first language). I had some people try to sell me on the "grey jedi" idea regarding Qui-Gon but that never really clicked for me. It is nice to think that it was intentional without being too on the nose about it, thats the part of Star Wars I really like.
@@xSmilinBanditx quin was grey in the sense he didn't care for jedi council doctrine. In other words a rogue for a political and religious entity
Dave understands what Star Wars is.
Disney sees as a moneymaker
Kathleen sees it as propaganda pawn
But Dave sees it as George originally did - a story, a legacy, a narrative with real meaning and compelling characters
The prequels weren't flawless, they had their slight imperfections but they definitely don't deserve the hate they got, I cant deny (personally I really enjoyed them, I'm especially a fan of RotS) but you can see what George wanted from them, Dave not only fulfilled what George wanted with Clone Wars but also fundamentally redeemed the prequels. He actually knows what he his doing, he knows what the fans want and what they would like. Simply hes brilliant and I really want him to take over as the Star Wars head honcho
He truly is the chosen one, the saviour of Star Wars and shall be the one to bring balance to the fandom
Edit: OK I know a lot of you have commented me on it so I've changed it ok. Just to clarify, I do not, by any means, hate the prequels, stop saying that I do.
I am really sorry that my comment may have come off the wrong way and I apologies if I offended anyone (I should've been more clear). I hope this has cleared up what I meant
Chaøs Galaxy Except Dave was in the meetings with everyone talking about the female propaganda. He's quoted in the book the art of the rise of skywalker talking about the plans for the last movie. I still love Dave tho.
Chaøs Galaxy. Kennedy just promotes the product. Filoni is the creator. Kennedy is literally only used for promotion
Jam 2K14 Dave has to agree with KK’s bullshit agenda. Otherwise, he’ll absolutely be fired by her. You can see it on his face that he hates all of her decision but has to go through with it.
@@wwfnbafan Something tells me he was somewhat forced to talk about it.
@@wwfnbafan I have heard that a lot of people that disagreed with Kennedy's ideas were fired, so I think he was forced to agree on those things for his career's sake.
Dave should have directed 7-9. He would have ended the story in grand master Georges way. :(
@@ReySkywalker2 let him write it then, make the outline, story, characters etc
There is still time young one!
@@ReySkywalker2 clone wars was filmed like a movie rather than like an animated show and Dave is a film graduate and trained under George Lucas while making the clone wars, watch BTS of the animated shows and i think you will be surprised at Filoni’s directing chops
Our One True Emperor dude he literally directed some episodes of the mandolorian so I don’t understand your point
@@jaycobwilliams7631 dave shouldnt direct big feature length films.
When Obi-Wan defeats anakin he literally says “you were my brother anakin!”
It gives a whole new layer of meaning to Anakin and Obi wan's relationship, Anakin's arch, just about the whole Prequel trilogy.😊😊 I love them even more now
@@marshmallowvampire8503 same however 1 and 2 werent the best
he went 180 in maturity from another pathetic life form to brotherS.
And now he stated that he had a brother but he was disconnected to his family in the new series. There was always a brother figure missing in obi wans history but a father figure in anakins history
Exactly.
Obi-wan hours early also says "he had never failed me" , he had blind trust on Anakin something that a "Jedi by the book" wouldn't develop.
Anakin simply never reciprocated to Obi-wan that level of trust.
And in a few minutes Filoni makes the sequel trilogy unnecessary
Disney checks bank account “Impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete.”
The sequel trashilogy was already unnecessary. Ok, I get it, they wanted to create there own story, fine. Then create your own damn story. Leave the original story alone. Don't carelessly and loosely tie in shit that doesn't make sense and sure as hell don't drag the original cast through the mud to artificially raise up the new cast. I would have rather not seen any of the original cast in the those movies at all.
Sequels: you’ve turned them against me! Filoni: you have done that yourself
It was never necessary the saga was supposed to be only about Vader/Anakin
that one line, "in that moment Anakin had to decide to be the father that he never had" that hit like a truck. one sentence that carries so much weight
I actually had tears...
@@XDlosDominicans same
Remember in the clone wars movie when Anakin said to Ahsoka she wouldn't make it as Obi Wans padawan but she might as his, this shows how Obi Wan was so by the book, but Anakin was reckless and needed someone more like Qui-gon, it was Anakin passing this on to Ahsoka which made her leave the order as she knew it was corrupt as she says in season 7 before leaving for mandalore. Thats why I think Ahsoka was the reason Anakin turned, because her decision made him realise that the coucil was corrupted and thats why he had doubts and looked for his own way to save Padme. Love your vids.
When I first started reading I didn't want to agree but man by the end of us like this makes a lot of sense
OJ Pistorius I would agree with this however Ashoka wasn’t a character until the Clone wars. In prequel trilogy she wasn’t even a thought so as of then she had nothing to do with him turning to the dark side
@@Lustie well considering this is Star Wars canon and clone wars is the gap in between 2 and 3 in legends and canon it still counts because that's how Star Wars work
I felt like when she was granted knighthood anakin would’ve been a master something he wanted but she left
Lusty what’s this have to do with the canon universe timeline? Chronologically Ahsoka happened before episode 3 so she is one of the reasons for his turn now.
I wish Dave had $4 Billion about 8 years ago....
Plan
We can invent a time machine and give him the money
@@s4mu1l_ssg64 yes
TFA was written that long ago? I'm not even old and I feel old
@@matthewmielcuszny2579 Disney bought lucasfilms back in 2012
“I have failed you Anakin, I have failed you..” means so much more now.....🥺
Luke in the OT: "I won't kill my father who is the second most evil person in the universe because I see that there is good in him"
Luke in the sequels: "I think I might kill this kid because he is being tempted by the dark side"
Yeah, all this is cool, but it means nothing because of the sequels...
Luke: “if I kill him, this shitty sequel may never exist”
when something as awful as darth vader scars you, you tend not to make the same mistakes again
almost like in between he spent a whoel shitload of time pouring over the same jedi texts that caused this dogmatic stupidity in the first place. This only proves the point further. Luke strayed into dogma, failed, and then yoda burned the texts to show luke how he needed to get back to his roots.
Idk why people chose the only one of the new films with any good ideas at all to rip on and call the worst one. Fans like that are why disney will never try anything new. Dont get me wrong its a bad movie but so are the other two. at least rian johnson tried to make a movie. with themes. and a plot. it was a failure sure but the other two are a remake, and a complete senseless trainwreck made of pure spite.
Boi new doesn’t mean bad, but new shit is still shit. Ep 8 isn’t Luke, like other people pointed out Luke was the guy that believed that Vader had good in him AND he was also the type of guy that put his friends above everything (ep5 and him going to Bespin when Yoda wanted him to finish his training). I don’t know about you but I doubt that the guy that loves his friends that much would fall to dogma, but rather would have gone the Qui-gon route and accepted that Jedi should be allowed to love, hell I can’t believe they didn’t allow Luke to have children like in Legends, but Kathleen said they didn’t have any “source material” so there’s that...
I love how everyone in this interview is so intent and focused on Dave They seem to not look away for a second and are being so respectful. Respect!
I feel like they have no idea what he’s talking about
It's called reputation on the line and good editing. lol
Felt like an AA meeting!
All jokes aside, I think Dave blew their minds.
I know Sam responding on this late, but Filoni proved himself right today in the Finale of the Madalorian. We definitely want a movie with heart and family. Iswear this now if Filoni ever gets cut from Star Wars I am never watching again.
Kathleen Kennedy: "I've got it from here"
George Lucas: *"There can only be two"*
Kathleen: “I’ve got it from here”
George: “No... there is another..”
George Lucas: And you are no longer my apprentice.
she has no place at the table! god shes awful
Bryce Dallas Howard:
A master, and an apprentice
Yeah dude, when I saw that I was like "am I the only one who didn't realise thats why its named duel of the fates?!". Absolutely blew my mind and my perspective of Star Wars and the connection between ep.1 and 6. Filoni is the chosen one.
"They have become so political and detached, that they have lost their way..." describes way more than the Jedi order lol.
This happended with star wars films with Disney.
I think Qui-Gon realized that the Jedi were losing their connection with the people whom they were supposed to protect. That's why he didn't care for being part of the Jedi council. He wanted to stay grounded and help Anakin the only he knew how. By showing him genuine empathy, instead of just running him through a machine-like institution and becoming just another weapon of the Jedi council.
This makes Anakin being left out of the Sequel Trilogy even more mind boggling. He means everything to the story and people are still talking about it. Pure stupidity on Disney’s part.
*Looks at Disney "There's too much of his father in him."
alex erickson exactly The main character of Star Wars is Anakin. And in the sequels he is completely left out. He doesn’t even take part in the final scene of episode 9
It's because he's a man. Also Disney wants us to forget about the real characters of star wars and only remember there version and there characters.
I don't mind Anakin not being in the new trilogy, if they had told a different story.
In my view they "reopened" the Skywalker saga.
Had they told a story about a different threat, even with legacy characters like Han Luke Leia and their kids etc you could have not had Anakin.
But his grandkid worshipping his mask, being trained by a puppet of a resurrected Palpatine?
Well now you've got your Disney all over my Skywalker saga.
Tread carefully...
But they didn't, to quote Yoda, they were reckless, now things are worse, and I don't think there's another...
Honour and Family Yeah right. Rey is just such an bad character she’s just there cause she’s a woman. This feminist bitch Kathleen Kennedy cares just about the fact that Rey is a ‘strong’ female character then about a good character development
He’s saving Disneys ass right now lol he’s the only one putting out good authentic Star Wars content.
You aren't reading the comics, are you?
@@Trikeboy2 Lots of haters out there. There may be some Star Wars I don't like as much, but I still love it. People complaining all the time is what ruins it for me.
@@zairman if you loved the last jedi then you dont love star wars, the 2 just dont mix , sorry dude you dont love star wars
@@mrsmokingskittles148 As if you have the right to tell anyone what they love and don't....You just proved my point.
@@mrsmokingskittles148 so someone who loves more of star wars than you do doesn't love star wars, but you do?
That makes absolutely no sense.
You just love non-disney (or perhaps just non-sequel?) star wars. They love all star wars. If you think the second is worse than the first so be it, but the fact remains both groups of people love star wars.
Obi-Wan after the council say that the boy won’t be trained says “The boy is dangerous Master, the council senses it why can’t you?” I think it because in Qui-gons hands Anakin wasn’t dangerous.
That's a good point! He saw the future he would create, even unto excluding the future that would not occur if he was in the picture. This makes Qui Gon's death even more sad.
Literally, from his point of view ;D It all REALLY depends greatly upon ones point of view. If Anakin is trained from Obi-wans point of view, it represents a huge threat. But not if he was trained from Qui-gon's. Personally? I always saw it this way, I loved when the Plagueis novel confirmed my perspectives on it for me(sorry, for me that is canon, and the sequels are not).
The, “You will not take her from me!” line from Anakin to Obi Wan (about Padme) on Mustafar makes a lot more sense now that we know he blames Obi for the loss of his mother
Honestly, with the prequels, George just needed help with staging scenes and writing dialogue. When it comes to themes and world building he knows what he's doing.
Star Wars is a group effort. You need people who are good in their respective fields to work together
Matthew Stryletz George created every aspect that made the prequel era another mythological goldmine. That's an impressive imagination and George's originality. 2nd to none!
Yeah he was surrounded by yes men, needed someone like his exwife to cut through some of the bs
That's why i don't respect George that much. He has great ideas but ruins everything he's in charge of. Dave actually makes his ideas shine.
George is literally the best worldbuilder of the last generation, and to an extent this new one
Notice how in his speech he never mentioned episodes 7-9 because those episodes don’t contribute anything to the true story of Star Wars which is about anakin and his redemption which was complete in episode 6 bringing the saga to an end not what Disney made up for episode 9
True
To be fair, George had three more movies planned, they were scripted (at least first draft) when the sale happened, and as far as I know looked nothing like the trilogy.
Team Red Shirt this is true but I heard he had the ideas for them but didn’t do them because he thought the story was about anakin and that story finished with his redemption in return of the Jedi
Team Red Shirt they all looked like the last Jedi, that was the luke arc he wanted for Luke so I think maybe his trilogy would of been worse
Delta949 exactly! The sequel trilogy had a release date before they ever had a story, plan, outline, any passion, any creative vision, etc. Thus 3 horrible convoluted films that were "money grab" abominations. The only Star War's that matter was SW Rebels, Rogue One, TCW Season 7, & The Mandalorian. All passion projects that had a vision, outline, great story, great setting, originality, etc.
Finnally, after all these years, we've got someone who cares about Star Wars as much as George. This guy should be head of Lucasfilm.
Dave is the chosen one
caring is not enough. Plenty of people cared about star wars 7-9. I do not believe for a second that abrams or johnson wanted to make bad movies. Caring and wanting to make a good star wars movie is not enough. I can tell if a star wars movie is good but I cannot write one. It would be awful fan fiction. Disney wants to make money. They do not want to make bad star wars movies because that is bad for business. Episode 9 did not make enough money and Disney is 100% aware of why that is the case. Disney did not spend a few billion on the star wars IP and give episode 7-9 a 600 million budget for a cash grab because they think long term.
@@WeAreLegion1904 Cares as much as George i said. Not simpley 'caring'
@@deadhead1140 I get what you mean but even George cannot make a film without its flaws.
@@WeAreLegion1904 I won't deny that.
Closing one of THE most successful Game Studios out there, LucasArts, and replacing them with EA tells you everything you need to know about who's in charge at LucasFilm.
Lucasfilm between 2004-2005 created the battlefront series, the kotor series, commando and that’s just to name some in that time period, they’re now considered classics and master pieces by the ENTIRE GAMING COMMUNITY not just the Star Wars community, and EA made 3 games in 7 years and ruined the first one, ruined the second one then redeemed it too late and now they no longer are actively servicing it, then Created a game which one of the EA top boys said no one would like, then went on to become a contender for game of the year... just goes to show how much EA care
I am still so pissed at the fact that they cancelled Star Wars 1313, that game would have been amazing
@@revengeofthesith. it would
Yeah and the KOTOR remake they shut down too. I mean they had to, as it would just confirm what everyone knew, EA games sucks.
Fathers, be there for ya kids or else they’re gonna become a Sith Lord
in real life, kids without fathers are usually messed up
@@dhanveerteeluck2751 🗿
A Sith Lord?
@@dhanveerteeluck2751 .... if the father leaves voluntarily does that make them a Sith Lord? If so here I come world
So in real life sith lords = drug lords ?
It’s actually incredible how we talk about this material with so much emotion as if these were real people in history. Like, when he says Qui Gon was fighting for Anakin that gave me like a lump in my throat
We need to make a list about all the things Filoni has done for STAR WARS.
- He brought back Legends materials into Canon. Such as Thrawn.
- He made the prequels era way better.
- When Clone Wars got cancelled, he managed to end some of the loose lines in Rebels.
- He gave Maul a second and awesome chance.
- He created some of the best stories in the new canon.
Just add more things if you want😉
Helped give us the the Mandalorian, set in an era after Return, but before FA.
RealNemit fa? what is that? some new fanfic?
@@boomer.beasley Force Awakens.
@@boomer.beasley Bruh
@@SuperLegend1962 I think he was being sarcastic
Coming back and rewatching this particular video after the end of mando season two, makes me sad and even angrier with kennedy.
Yeah man when she said "we had no source material" was really a slap in the face to George because he HAD a whole storyboard of all three films😂😂
@@isaacholland6587 Now she says that there is thousands of years of source material. Lady is a fucking clown.
As far as I'm concerned the Sequels don't exist. The Mandalorian in the only Sequel I know.
@@HyakuJuu01300 well unfortunately for you The Mandalorian is going to lead right up to the sequels
You also have to think about how Anakin was constantly searching for his father figure in the prequels. Eventually his father figure became Palpatine.
That is another problem with how Obi-wan trained Anakin. He was more like an older brother to him rather than a father.
I disagree with that. He saw Palpatine as a person who can save Padme. I literally see no correlation with your statement here
Supa 4ys Palpatine was Anakin', s mentor even before his fall to the dark side and after Padme died he was all he had
@@supa4ys843 if you think there was no amount of seeing Palpatine as a father figure you're just blatantly incorrect. Even if he was more motivated by the idea of saving padme, he still had a selfishness in him from a very early point and he wanted control of things more than he had and choosing to do what he did was based in those feelings and seeing a guidance and father like figure in Palpatine it made it all the more easy to ignore the things he knew were wrong about the whole situation and just trust in this person to guide him
@@supa4ys843 I mean he calls Anakin "son" from time to time.
One of the most incredible details within the music of Star Wars is that the exact same music is used in both the funeral of Qui Gon and the transformation of Anakin into Darth Vader, drawing a connection between the events
THIS. RIGHT. HERE.
@@vyplum yup both sacrificed themselves for the greater good
Filoni just gets it, he really is the chosen one.
I don't think the idea is that Kenobi never truly cared for Anakin, he loved the hell out of him. The problem was they were more like brothers rather than Kenobi being a master. Qui-Gon was more of a father figure
Exactly this, I detail how they viewed Ashoka's relationships. Iirc, they like Plo as her father figure; Yoda to a grandfather, and Anakin and Obi Wan as her older brothers.
I think the same could be said of Anakin's own relationships. Qui Gon was going to be the father he never had; whereas Obi Wan, an older brother. As with any older brother, you're going to have petty squabbles but you'll always have for love them, even it's buried deep down.
Agreed
“It matters which side we choose. Even if there will never be more light than darkness. Even if there can be no more joy in the galaxy than there is pain. For every action we undertake, for every word we speak, for every life we touch-it matters. I don’t turn toward the light because it means someday I’ll ‘win’ some sort of cosmic game. I turn toward it because it is the light.” Qui-Gon Jin.
That's a quote from the Master and Apprentice book by Claudia Gray and I just love it, I think it's one of the most meaningful statements from all of Star Wars and it really captures not just Qui-Gon's character and beliefs but also the whole point of this ancient battle between good and evil or light and dark, I think it speaks to us, to our own individual selves when we are faced with the worst in us.
Hope Dave Filoni leads Star Wars to what it once was and what it should be from now on.
He was a true stoic, at peace within as without by making peace for others. May the force be with you.
Claudia Gray is to the new-canon novels what Filoni is to Star Wars as a whole. She is THE Luceno (although no one can replace his legacy) of this Star Wars novel generation.
I love this, this reminds of a C.S Lewis quote.
“I believe in Christ like I believe in the sun. Not because I can see it, but by it, I can see everything else.”
“In canon, I believe now, if Dave’s saying it, it’s as good as coming from George’s mouth pretty much for me...”
The true words of embrace by Star Wars fans
At this point, why not? He was working with George for a few years, he's pretty dedicated to Star Wars lore and he's proven again and again that he's capable of creating great star wars content.
So damn good. I can't thank Dave enough for making the prequels (what I love and grew up with) even more enjoyable.
Even at the end of it all after obi wan cuts anakin down he says "I loved you like a brother". Not a father.
Anakin technically have the high ground when obi cut him down lol….
Anakin wasn’t on the ground when he was above obi wan