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  • Опубликовано: 5 май 2023
  • This is the CAMMUS C5, the newest player in the direct-drive market geared towards entry-level sim racers with a price of under $300, but is it any good?
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  • @OCRacing
    @OCRacing  9 месяцев назад +3

    5% off all Cammus products using code: ocsimracing at checkout!
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  • @02bluehawk
    @02bluehawk Год назад +274

    Definitely think if they get this thing dialed it could be a logi killer especially if they offer some pedals with it for 350ish but at 300 for that wheel and base and still needing pedals it makes the moza r5 a close competitor and the r5 is just so good

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +40

      Yes! Will definitely be interested what they do regarding the pedals

    • @eshansatti9953
      @eshansatti9953 Год назад +4

      Also the csl buddle which you can down the road add the 8nm power bank

    • @02bluehawk
      @02bluehawk Год назад

      @eshansatti9953 true when it's in stock

    • @batzertyabc3339
      @batzertyabc3339 Год назад

      At least here you have a good quality rim (fanatec you have to buy an extra one)

    • @dbzcollector9963
      @dbzcollector9963 Год назад +4

      @@batzertyabc3339 good quality? That thing sounds worse than the 100$ thrustmaster wheel add ons lol. The overall build quality looks very cheap and ugly compared to some other brands, sure you’ll be paying around 300$ just for the steering wheel but usually it’s decent quality like the moza rims. This could be useful for people with limited space or tight budgets but I don’t see anyone with an entry level DD base going out and switching over to this thing.

  • @6StarEditsz
    @6StarEditsz Год назад +9

    So happy to be a part of this amazing community‼️ Keep grinding and dropping bangers‼️

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +1

      You already know I will. Big announcement soon 🫡

  • @DrAlanQuan
    @DrAlanQuan Год назад +9

    Another great video! I love the production value - your photography, editing, voiceover - all really well done. A pleasure to watch.

  • @sigmablock
    @sigmablock Год назад +78

    If Logitech gonna make a successor to the G923, i.e. G925, this design is the way forward. Fanatec kicked off the more compact DD box design wheelbases which they and now Moza are releasing, followed by Logitech and Thrustmaster(with limited success imo), and Camus decided to do something innovative. Hopefully we get more cool innovations bringing DD wheelbases prices to at least $300 USD.

    • @grozaphy
      @grozaphy Год назад +6

      but you cant replace the wheel when you want something different or when it breaks.

    • @givemeajackson
      @givemeajackson Год назад +4

      @@grozaphy you can't really do that on logitech either.

    • @Fantastika
      @Fantastika Год назад

      @@givemeajackson you can though just wont have the buttons

    • @comdrive3865
      @comdrive3865 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@grozaphy My logitech g27 literally still works and i use it every month since I bought it, no reason why shit you buy should break in under 5 years.

    • @DanielGarcia-iu6lw
      @DanielGarcia-iu6lw 9 месяцев назад

      So is thrustmaster not a good Wheel at all? I was about to buy one please Help

  • @jet_mouse9507
    @jet_mouse9507 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the video! I've been hyped for this wheel for a while now, and there haven't been many reviews so far.
    I wanted to say though, considering it's a budget wheel, you should review it in a more budget friendly setup. For example, people who want the cheapest direct-drive wheel they can get probably aren't going to have racing gloves. I'm sure the leather feels fine though, what I care more about is that I doubt many people buying the wheel are going to have racing chairs with mounting brackets. I personally have a desk that has a drawer on the front with no overhang to attach the clamp to, so I don't know if the clamp is going to be able to extend all the way to the bottom of the drawer, or if my drawer handle would get in the way. I didn't get a good look at the clamp in the video. Maybe I'll have to take the drawer out of my desk every time I use it! I'd love to see a follow-up video showing how the clamp works : ) (you don't have to make that video if you don't want to)
    Anyways, any video about the Cammus C5 is a good video. I am very excited!

  • @Spiderte
    @Spiderte Год назад +1

    you are my favorite sim racing youtuber, i'd love a video comparing shifters, considering i haven't seen very many of those videos (thrustmaster vs moza vs logitech vs fanatec vs etc))

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад

      Check this out: ruclips.net/video/nm3DdDNk93Y/видео.html

  • @MatthiasKilcollins
    @MatthiasKilcollins Год назад +7

    Excellent editing as always

  • @avotius
    @avotius Год назад +3

    Looks interesting, as an entry level guy I will keep an eye on this one

  • @neblolthecarnerd
    @neblolthecarnerd Год назад +5

    If this gets console support i will definitely be heavily considering it as a g29 upgrade

  • @joshuahill3618
    @joshuahill3618 Год назад +38

    Would have been nice to see it compared to other 5Nm direct drives instead of only gear and belt drives.

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +9

      Will be doing so soon 👍

    • @46wireboy
      @46wireboy Год назад

      Dave Cam rates it.

    • @boziewz6125
      @boziewz6125 9 месяцев назад +2

      4 months later, 300 wheel and pedals, but only a 2 pedal set up.

    • @messiahshow
      @messiahshow 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@boziewz6125They have 3 pedal set now and it look sick at a great price.

  • @ClementBaudoin
    @ClementBaudoin 9 месяцев назад

    I really like your content, i just subbed to keep you goin like that ! Awesome

  • @dbzcollector9963
    @dbzcollector9963 Год назад +7

    This is a great wheel…. For people on a really tight budget or really don’t have the space for something as small as a moza R9 then this is absolutely perfect, outside of that I don’t see anyone ditching their current DD wheel for this thing lol.

  • @juusour
    @juusour Год назад +1

    Was waiting for this review for so long! Might buy it when its coming out. Of course if i dont win the giveaway😏

  • @KwakHru
    @KwakHru Год назад +15

    we definetly need more cheap wheels in the market like these

  • @taxi615
    @taxi615 Год назад +8

    Perfect wheel for the traveling sim racer and for kids wanting to race with dad

    • @emmettpj
      @emmettpj 2 месяца назад

      I beat Max Verstappen using this bundle.

  • @iFuriiOG
    @iFuriiOG Год назад +5

    Looks promising, every single brand trying to establish and bringing up some competition is always good for us customers.
    Although seeing its flaws, until (and hopefully) they polish their product, Moza is the way to go, its R5 Bundle is just a bargain considering the awesome quality and performance offered.

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад

      Agreed! Thinking of comparing this to my R5 to see how it holds up.

  • @Ferrari255GTO
    @Ferrari255GTO Год назад +2

    The sound you complained about seems to be the bibrations going from your cockpit onto something close to it rubbing, it would make no sense for the wheel to make any noise since it has no gears

  • @trake1
    @trake1 Год назад +1

    I was hoping more detailed footage of the mounting section, rather than closed frame b roll shots of it.... great review otherwise a little disappointed there is not a youtube display more in-depth of the mount since its probable the first of its kind...

  • @rileyberkowitz
    @rileyberkowitz Год назад +2

    Let’s gooo I was waiting for this one

  • @on1ons333
    @on1ons333 Год назад +3

    Havent seen a video from ya in a while, just watched this one and it looks like the cammus c5 is great. Love to see technoloyy getting cheaper and better as time progresses, also bro the sound that the wheel makes sounds like a squeaky door or straight from a horror movie lmao. I think the cammus c5 simply is too strong for your setup and it unscrews the screws holding the cockpit together making it sqeuak, just a theory 😂

  • @joshuahill3618
    @joshuahill3618 Год назад

    Did you try turning down the effects from 100% to see if that helped with the vibration noise?

  • @jimmybly2630
    @jimmybly2630 Год назад +2

    OC big fan of the channel man! Honestly though your best videos are when you race online! I would check out ACC LFM, it's like ACCs version of iracings ranking system and is a ton of fun, would make for great content! I'm actually a single seater guy primarily but I'm currently addicted as all hell to ACC online racing, it's just sooo fun.. from what I've heard ACC does GT3 cars even better then iRacing, obviously iRacing has way more variety but ACCs price is a fraction in comparison. Check it out! 😁

  • @thermgraphics6937
    @thermgraphics6937 Год назад +5

    Finally a good review on this wheel

  • @grimuk3817
    @grimuk3817 8 месяцев назад +2

    Strange. All other reviews I have seen with this wheel it has been silent.

  • @shelldrak3
    @shelldrak3 Год назад +5

    WOOH! YES ANOTHER VIDEO!

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +2

      You ALREADY KNOW 😤😤

  • @Yoshimatsu414
    @Yoshimatsu414 Год назад +1

    Alright, I’m interested. I like sim racing but I don’t do it all the time and I don’t have the space for a whole rig right now. A simple and inexpensive direct drive wheel like this seems like something for me to finally replace my boring Logitech G920.

  • @CharlesCoaston
    @CharlesCoaston 10 месяцев назад

    That intro is 🔥

  • @feature25
    @feature25 Год назад

    You said better than the T248, how does it compare to the T300? Also with the buttons, will it be compatibility with playstation?

  • @smithp573
    @smithp573 Год назад +6

    How odd though that they specifically “engineered in” the Logitech rattle. 😂

  • @brdoyle14
    @brdoyle14 Год назад +1

    Very interesting. How does it do drifting?

  • @mooncake8254
    @mooncake8254 10 месяцев назад

    honesty i like the look, have the C5 sell in Bestbuy canada, would like to get one and share it with my peers who'd also be interested in get into this type of gaming setup.
    honesty it's a toy, i hope the load sound doesn't break for long term use.

  • @randomperson6125
    @randomperson6125 Год назад +19

    The noise let this package down imo. My t300 still going strong for 2 years now. Next upgrade will hopefully be a real life car lol.

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +5

      Upgrading to a direct-drive will be more realistic

    • @martymet
      @martymet Год назад +12

      @@OCRacing than a real life car?

    • @THESHADOW97139
      @THESHADOW97139 Год назад +1

      @@martymet This will be more realistic for your banker

    • @THESHADOW97139
      @THESHADOW97139 Год назад +1

      @@OCRacing it's the vibration function .... is it possible to put it off??

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +2

      @@martymeti was joking lmao

  • @richardsracingmad
    @richardsracingmad Год назад +1

    Lol, I think it is a very ambitious design idea…..interested to see how it develops

  • @amill411
    @amill411 Год назад +2

    I was pretty sold on it until I heard the sound clips of the loud noises it was making at 5:40... has me a bit weary now

  • @willief944
    @willief944 Год назад

    i recently got the tspc.. can you do a vid compare to tgt 2? i know tgt 2 is ps and pc but it literally feels same. ts pc vs tgt vs tgt 2

  • @yunan9760
    @yunan9760 Год назад +5

    im having a g29 looks like this is a promising upgrade just the pedal situation... the noise while vibration is normal i think, the trueforce thing had it as well if i remember correctly.

    • @alphastratus6623
      @alphastratus6623 Год назад +2

      If you already own the logitech pedals there are some cheap after market chips to make them standalone usb devices, or some basic electronics and coding do the trick as well. It's just some potentionmeters to be read by an arduino leonardo/micro/pro micro and it's done.

    • @yunan9760
      @yunan9760 Год назад

      @@alphastratus6623 thanks

  • @willief944
    @willief944 Год назад

    I bought 1 but its so loud.. is mine broken? very loud baring thumb

  • @cava4308
    @cava4308 Год назад

    How loud is this weird sound compared to the g29 clanking noise?

  • @Felixtormas
    @Felixtormas Год назад

    5:51 is a really strange noise can you hear it when you have headphones on?

  • @toddgabweg
    @toddgabweg Год назад

    Happy with the Fanatec DD Pro for the PS5.

  • @danlsmock
    @danlsmock 11 месяцев назад

    When they get a U.S. distributer it would be worth it. Shipping is over $120 U.S. bringing the price in line with the Moza and Fanatec offerings who have U.S. distribution.

  • @schmeggix4604
    @schmeggix4604 8 месяцев назад

    Cant you just turn off the vibration on the software to get rid of the annoying sounds?

  • @replayzbruh
    @replayzbruh Год назад +3

    Another week another w oc racing video 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

  • @MarkoVuckovic32
    @MarkoVuckovic32 9 месяцев назад

    Nowadays there is a bundle that includes this wheel and a two pedal set. Unfortunately for some reason it doesn't include the desk clamp and also it doesn't seem like you can add a clutch pedal and connect an H shifter. I still feel that for someone on a budget it makes much more sense to go with T150/TMX Pro or T248 because they come with 3 pedals set and you can mount them on a desk easily at no extra cost. Obviously you can get an H shifter later down the road. Sure they are not direct drive but the value is in all the stuff you get included with the wheel itself. I'd definitely get a DD wheel at some point but only if it was desk mountable out of the box and it included a 3 pedal set.

    • @albertmas3752
      @albertmas3752 17 дней назад

      You can use any standard connected pedal with this wheel. Also, the same brand offers a much better 3 pedal option. And you can connect any standard H shifter to it. But when it comes to shifters, the brand has none (I think).

  • @rifle
    @rifle Год назад

    What's the noise like in comparison to the G920?

  • @CharlesCoaston
    @CharlesCoaston 10 месяцев назад +4

    The noise is what made me said no to this instantly

  • @hashirowais6475
    @hashirowais6475 Год назад

    would an upgrade from the t300 be worth it?

  • @skylovescars69420
    @skylovescars69420 Год назад +1

    6:06 Can we talk about what he’s doing going off the track like that: 😂

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +1

      So you can hear what the wheel sounds like on different surfaces…

  • @Ashdelta23
    @Ashdelta23 9 месяцев назад +1

    6:17 that's a dealbreaker right there

  • @AmritDoesStuff
    @AmritDoesStuff Месяц назад

    The fact that it comes for $358.00 for the bundle which includes the pedals, dd wheel, and clamp is crazy.

  • @MorfiusRacing
    @MorfiusRacing Год назад

    That vibration sound could be the fact that the base is turning?!

  • @shaggy69001
    @shaggy69001 8 месяцев назад +1

    the small shift paddles could probably be fixed with a 3d printed cover

  • @SGTGrayson
    @SGTGrayson Год назад

    Hey I’m looking to get into sim racing. My budget for a wheel is ~300 bucks and I was wondering if I should just buy the thrustmaster t248 or wait for the cammus c5 to release.

  • @muzicman171
    @muzicman171 Год назад

    Does it work with the Logitech pedals or shifter?

  • @quintinholtkamp5939
    @quintinholtkamp5939 Год назад

    Whats the song at 4:55 I vaguely remember it from years ago

  • @user-fq8pl6ek8l
    @user-fq8pl6ek8l 5 месяцев назад

    can i use a handbrake and a shifter with this

  • @GentleCat720
    @GentleCat720 Год назад +1

    Damn man I love your Miata, you thought I was gonna say "your reviews", just kidding I "love" your reviews!!

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +2

      I’m surprised people know about the Miata. I think it’s only been featured in one video lol

    • @GentleCat720
      @GentleCat720 Год назад +1

      Who would forget the infamous white miata!!

  • @MrKmcgee69
    @MrKmcgee69 Год назад +2

    This wheel looks cool. I hope it works on Steam Deck for driving games. I could easily take this wheel on vacations. Also hope it works on consoles.

    • @albertmas3752
      @albertmas3752 17 дней назад

      It has no console support. That's part of its low price. Adding support for consoles means paying royalties which highly increases price.

  • @joeallen4454
    @joeallen4454 Год назад

    My T150 died. After watching reviews decided on C5....Shipping and vax adds $114 which you cant see until you purchase. Is this $419 wheel, peddles and clamp still such a good deal? im currently trying to cancel my order...

  • @JerichoRandomStuff
    @JerichoRandomStuff 9 месяцев назад

    do they also sell pedals in shifters?

  • @jamesmcd71
    @jamesmcd71 Год назад

    I have been looking to get into Sim racing. The choice of equipment is almost insane. It's seems like I need to spend $700 on a wheel or choose between the 2 not so good options. Both have major issues that will need modification.

  • @Ethan_gamez
    @Ethan_gamez Год назад +2

    nice video oc

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +1

      Thank you very much

  • @trashgamer3318
    @trashgamer3318 Год назад +1

    Most underrated youtube channel

  • @trilllife28
    @trilllife28 Год назад

    I can’t wait to get this

  • @Tugennov
    @Tugennov Год назад +1

    PlayStation? I see it has the PlayStation controller symbols on the right buttons. Do you expect it to be compatible with PlayStation consoles? Also, what do you know about the company and their products? Do you expect it to be durable over the long-run? Thanks for another well done video!!

  • @TheBadBone23
    @TheBadBone23 Год назад +1

    Would it work with pedals such as Thrustmaster t3pa?

  • @SoulfullSinger
    @SoulfullSinger Год назад

    What if they design it with a planetary gear system within?

  • @joshuahaque-di8pj
    @joshuahaque-di8pj Год назад

    is it brtter than the thrusmaster t300

  • @frigosx
    @frigosx 10 месяцев назад

    can i use other pedals or not?

  • @mtperes
    @mtperes Год назад

    Waiting for dat bro!

  • @NewbieRacer
    @NewbieRacer Год назад +33

    This sure has some out-of-the-box thinking with this wheel. I would buy this, if it didn’t have the wheel base integrated in the wheel and the weird noises that it makes.

  • @xXxBo5sANaCxXx
    @xXxBo5sANaCxXx Год назад

    Heard its 5Nm consistent and 7Nm peak?

  • @kylemanning193
    @kylemanning193 Год назад

    i need to try this!!!

  • @kasumisman
    @kasumisman Год назад

    can you make a drifting video with it?

  • @caseMasterxL
    @caseMasterxL Год назад

    It's essentially a hoverboard wheel integrated into a sim wheel.

  • @zapman60
    @zapman60 Год назад +2

    Nice! But that grinding though. It sounds like a defect.

  • @WiseGuy3683
    @WiseGuy3683 Год назад

    Holy crap! That price is really good!

  • @e_m_m_e_o
    @e_m_m_e_o Год назад +6

    Can you turn the vibration feature off in the software if the noise happens to be too loud? Been dying to see the vid since the short and it was certainly worth the wait cause of how well made it is!

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +4

      I didn't see an option for that on the software. Would be a good idea if they added that feature as I'm thinking it's the vibrations that cause the noise. Good point!

    • @THESHADOW97139
      @THESHADOW97139 Год назад +1

      @@OCRacing so ..... Motors inside for vibration.??...unplug we have to🤔

  • @grozaphy
    @grozaphy Год назад +1

    What happens if the wheel breaks but the DD motor still works?

    • @j13nkz
      @j13nkz 4 месяца назад

      Use another wheel on the base

  • @hunterjohnson1106
    @hunterjohnson1106 Год назад

    Dose it work for ps5?

  • @stylze5767
    @stylze5767 6 месяцев назад

    only reason i want to switch to direct drive is that theyre silent, my g27 makes so many clunking sounds

  • @b3nn670
    @b3nn670 Год назад +2

    Babe wake up, OC racing posted again

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +2

      Her post notifications didn’t wake her?! Unacceptable

    • @b3nn670
      @b3nn670 Год назад

      @@OCRacing Your right dumping her rn 😤

  • @hahaxolotl
    @hahaxolotl Год назад +3

    the noise is an absolute no-go, and I think many think of it this way, Big problem. Otherwise I love the buttons and overall seems like a decent wheel.

    • @abuelb
      @abuelb Год назад +4

      Nah. Its an in-game and wheel setting problem. 2 other reviewers have no such problem.

  • @veratix8098
    @veratix8098 Год назад

    How much does it cost

  • @dannypov1550
    @dannypov1550 Год назад

    Wait til the cammus come out with the lp8 will be under 300 dollars

  • @wwjnz9263
    @wwjnz9263 Год назад

    Great video. This Cammus isn't the wheel for me though. I want to get into the 12-15Nm range, so I'll be looking at it big brother, amonst other offerings.

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +1

      Thanks for watching! Many great options in the higher nm range, let me know what you go with 👍

  • @bmowbray
    @bmowbray 10 месяцев назад

    i recon the wheel looks cool almost looks similar to the wheel in paganis

  • @YassirAlSaffar
    @YassirAlSaffar Год назад

    Really cool engineering. However, being so low profile it might not sit well with most rigs in the wild. Also, that sound; sounds like a couple of torn wishbone bushings in a real car, immersion? 🤔😏

  • @statingtheobvious8119
    @statingtheobvious8119 10 месяцев назад

    Is this the same guy from that buzzfeed food show?

  • @natkobratko3198
    @natkobratko3198 10 месяцев назад

    I would buy it if there was a dealer in my country

  • @tinykid0x
    @tinykid0x Год назад +2

    Shifters ruin it for me it’s a decent wheel but those shifters just don’t look or seem to feel right

  • @Powerslide15
    @Powerslide15 Год назад

    I’d like to see them add PS5 compatibility, since I go between PC and PS5.

  • @PJDobbs
    @PJDobbs Год назад +4

    Looks promising for the price. My TS-XW just took a dump. Think it might be power supply. As much as I'm second guessing, I think I'm gonna go with the T818. Just at the fact that I have everything else Thrustmaster. Great video. Sorry I went off topic.

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +3

      Yeah, makes sense to go with the T818 if you already have some of their peripherals. Solid choice nonetheless

    • @dbzcollector9963
      @dbzcollector9963 Год назад +1

      I was like that before but I ended up waiting over a year for them to actually release their DD base. In the end I sold all my thrustmaster stuff and went all in on moza gear, I have never looked back not even once and I loved my thrustmaster setup. I had the same base the TS XW with a Ferrari F1 wheel ad on but the lack of power made most games never feel right compared to the moza.

  • @EvilijoUK
    @EvilijoUK Год назад +1

    Thanks for another great video, how would you compare this to Moza R5? The torque is very similar at around 5nm, but obviously Cammus will be a lot cheaper, hopefully this will force Moza to offer some nice discounts in not too distant future.

    • @RacingAnt
      @RacingAnt Год назад +1

      Moza is a completely different proposition. Replaceable wheels, for a start. For a casual racer that won't likely want to replace their wheel, or upgrade the base, in the future, the C5 is a good bet. For someone that wants to grow into the hobby, the Moza wins by default. But you pay extra for this.

    • @dbzcollector9963
      @dbzcollector9963 Год назад

      @@RacingAnt yeah I agree, I don’t see this replacing moza or fanatec any time soon. This would probably be good for like people on a tight budget or maybe don’t have the space for any other wheel base. My moza R9 setup cost me about 3x as much but I have 2 steering wheels that I like to switch between. While the R5 bundle is like twice the price of this I don’t see it going down either since it’s still one of the cheapest DD bases available on the market not to mention they have the best quick release connectors.

  • @Bordz_92
    @Bordz_92 Год назад

    Definitely on track to being a Logitech killer

  • @mooncake8254
    @mooncake8254 11 месяцев назад

    Wooo that's interesting.

  • @sqoix6354
    @sqoix6354 9 месяцев назад +1

    So cool but why does it have to look so goofy😂 i know i cant say anything as an t248 owner tho😅

  • @pvppro0014
    @pvppro0014 Год назад +2

    What about pedals, how they connect and if you know how much cost something decent but still cheap/normal price

    • @OCRacing
      @OCRacing  Год назад +5

      Pedals did not come with the unit I received and I also don't recall seeing a "pedal" input on the back of the wheel. However, if on PC, you'll just plug in the pedals via USB and you will be good to go. That's what I did in this video when I used my Thrustmaster TLCM pedals along with it.

  • @DirtySallysweetsally
    @DirtySallysweetsally 4 месяца назад

    We purchased c5 couple weeks ago I've not heard a word from them except for a receipt they sent to my email there's no way to track your order I sent three emails out with no replies. We're starting to think that this is a scam.