A documentary about the demolition of the old St Mary's ward in Oldham and the effect it had on the displaced families that formed this once vibrant community.
Well this was amazing to see ... made even more amazing by the fact that the young blonde mother with the baby (at 1' 26" and 17' 30") is 'MY MUM' with me in my first year of life!!!! OMG the year is 1964 and my mum is just 19.. My mum had told me about this when I was young, but I had never seen the footage, until now, so thank you so much for posting. Surreal to see myself as a baby, for anyone who is interested we are both still alive and well! I am now 51 and I live in Failsworth Manchester only 3 miles from where this was filmed, my Mum is now 70 (still beautful) living in Derbyshire via Fitton Hill, Failsworth, Laindon in Essex, Cleveleys, Southport and Blackpool! My name is Richard Palmer age 51, I am married to Rachel with 2 gorgeous children Maisie 16 and Archie 6 (he could be the baby in the documentary to look at) I remember so much about the Town, your posting is superb many many thanks!!!!!
Brilliant upload. It was lovely to see the camaraderie and sense of community in my home town. All of us watching commented on how articulate the people were, including the children - not an 'innit' to be heard. Even when I was a child in the 70s and 80s it was much the same until SM influences and globalisation over localisation became the dominant force. Mind you, I only got to see this because of SM I suppose so... A double-edged sword. Still, this did make me long for times gone by and a simpler life in which it was easier to be more content and 'happy with one's lot'. With improvement comes the promise of attainment of greater things. This constant aspirationalism does definitely lead to a pervasive discontent and general ennui. That's why so many people can't find happiness now. Anyway, that's my two penneth's worth. 😄
Thanks for uploading this - I'm an ex-Oldhamer now in Australia, we migrated when I was 7. My Mum was raised in Barrowshaw estate, and most of my ancestors have been from Oldham for the last couple of hundred years working in the mills, so they would which I imagine was similar to this. We lived in Scouthead as well and the house we lived in had an outside loo and no hot water in the 1960's. Lovely to get a glimpse of a way of life and community and the older accents. Especially liked the attitude of the old lady with the bright eyes.
Thanks Oldham Lad, that's quite an amazing film. Having moved away from Oldham many years ago, like many that did I'm still drawn back to it. Tragically though the Oldham of this documentary is long gone. That stuck up Town Planner from the south was dead wrong. It wasn't the physical conditions that made the town and the community, it was the people - and they were magnificent. They knocked down the houses and displaced the people with foreigners. What's left is a hollowed out husk.
The group (before we started calling ourselves "bands") was Tony D and the Shakeouts. I know because that's me with the white Fender Jazzmaster (and hair) at the Astoria ballroom. Half the band started out playing Saturday afternoons in Tommy Smith's "SavoyJunior Dance Band" I never saw this documentary until today because by the time it was transmitted we were touring American Air Force bases in Turkey. Many thanks to whoever found and posted it
@@davidbradshaw659 Thank you for your comment. I bought the Jazzmaster on hire purchase from Barratts on Oxford Street Manchester when I was still at school. I did a morning and evening paper round as well as regular pub gigs to pay for it. Needless to say, my academic carreer was disastrous! The guitar was originally sunburst but I had it re-sprayed after it suffered several on the road mishaps. I still play and sing in pubs and restaurants -I've never grown up.
@@iangood1 Fantastic story Ian, thanks for sharing that! I wasn't born yet but i always loved music from the sixties, the sound and the energy. You guys were really together, I guess you must have been playing alot of gigs at the time. Sounds fantastic the Jazzmaster through the AC30! All my best wishes to you.
Great to see the band in action. I've got and love the 45 'Is It True' b/w 'Never Let Her Go' and I'm searching for a copy of The Shakeouts 'Every Once In A While' b/w ' Well Who's That'. which I don't think you were on?
I really enjoyed that. Progress is in the eye of the beholder. I'm Dublin Irish. I've always had nostalgia for the old way's. People and their way's in both countries are very similar. Great people, we've all lived in poverty back in the day. Twenty to a bed and seven in the tin Bath Saturday night and a fry after for supper. Those were the days my friends we taught they'd never end but they did. The singing I miss, everyone sang those day's, sang the blue's. 🇮🇪🇬🇧
What a beautiful, sad film. This was before my time and I grew up in the south, I've no idea why the world of cobbled streets and mill chimneys resonates with me so much
Boy does this bring back memories (such as they are) At the time of the demolition, I lived at 39 Rock Street opposite the Radcliffe Arms near to Oldham Parish Church. I actually attended The Parish Church school on Burnley Street adjacent to Tommyfield market ; I left the school in 1964. Just up the street, again adjacent to Tommyfield, was The Venus Coffee club where all the Teddy Boys used to hang about. A mate of mine lived on Lodge Street, and another on Radcliffe Street, and yet another in one of the "pinch backs" as (I think) we used to call them which proliferated in the ward. I could go on and on recalling happy memories, and there were a lot of them even in such a run down area as Saint Mary''s.
The transmission date for "The End of a Street" was 02/12/64, although it was filmed over 9 weeks in the summer of 1964 according to a two page article in TV Times for that week. The gentleman with a southern accent was Tom Cartlidge, the Borough Architect, who in 1967 also appeared in another Granada documentary about the changing face of Oldham, "Living for a Change", tx: 28/04/67. The 1967 film was one of the long running "This England" series of documentaries and was featured on the front page of TV Times for that week. A two page article inside was titled "Mini-Skirts Among the Mills", which neatly summed up the film - the contrasting cultures of the fashions of the young people of Oldham and a newly opened boutique, with the old town of cotton mills.and back to back terrace houses.
I walked through some of these streets when they were being demolished. It all felt terribly sad. I remember they ran off Shaw Rd at 90 degrees and directly onto Oldham Edge. The new St Marys estate was initially welcomed as palatial, but the planners were ultimately proven to have made a dreadful mistake with this. I intensely dislike that pompous one - insincere git. I do still miss a pint of OB Bitter ! It were gorgeous! Yet another thing lost to corporatism.
I remember in Oldham even the grass had soot on it when I was a kid. It was a filthy town but instead of improving it and cleaning their act up the council embarked on mass demolition. Trouble was, what they replaced it with was horrific, poor quality, cheap accommodation that wasn't built to last. Some of these pompous clowns we see in this documentary must have made fortunes from destroying this town.Some terrific communities were destroyed forever and the way the people were compared to battery hens speaks volumes about the 'them and us' viewpoint of the planners. Just look at the old girls singing together at 34.00. You don't see that anymore! Listen to Mrs Browns viewpoint at 36.00 and compare to the idiot who follows immediately after. Progress is progress but personally I find the programme to be very depressing particularly when you think about what we had, what they did with it and what could have been.
These people were "see no evil, do no evil, speak no evil people, the absolute salt of the earth. Most of them would share whatever they had. The man at 39:15 summed them all up when he said " I believe this, never see anybody scint if you have any money in your pocket, and never see anybody without a butty and you will never be without a butty your self": (Butty = Sandwich).
Years later they did the same at Derker in exactly the same way. The St Marys estate they built after this has since been demolished again and replaced with a further estate. It has never had the same sense of community it had in this time. I still think despite Oldham's issues that its people are still down to earth, honest and caring and there is still a great many who would not see another struggling without trying to help.
Who else loved the song at 6:05/48:18 brilliant song is it like a woman's only club? for ladies to chat to other ladies? the lady on the stage who later in this told a funny story reminded me of Gracie Fields who told stories like this to the troops. i wasn't from this part of the world, but lovely people in this, people like this you don't get now, Mrs Brown looked such a lovely lady, everyone looked lovely in fact, nice manners etc. people aren't like this now sad to say.
1964, the year Mrs.Sharples friend Mrs.Longhurst quietly passed away in the snug of the Rovers Return pub, in 'Coronation St', more people tuned in than to any other tv programme that night in May '64.
Aye, t'auld lass there 39:38, 'I seen them childer, brought up in yon street', childer or childern is pure norse, reet proper Owdum, I miss them accents, happy people they were, beautiful.
I lived on Radcliffe Street of Henshaw street we had the spotted cow behind us, But use to play on Coldhurst and St Marys. Dose anyone know where i can get a map of where the old streets where really interested much x
Could anyone tell me were the group was playing in this video of The End of a Street please thank you also what a bril vid this was, should be shown to senior schools about Oldham how it use to be
The posh planner gives away his real aims and his ignorance - he sounds to me like he's on a civilisationary mission. But he doesn't understand community and he never appreciated the intelligence of these people.
Not sure what year but Bob Dylan was backed by "The Band" for a while. The Baron Knights had a big hit with "Call Up The GROUPS" - mimicking the likes of the Stones, Searchers etc. "Band"was for the likes of Joe Loss or Duke Ellington i.e. a large brass section and a conductor. Nowadays if you put two (usually miming) singers together , they call it a band.
@London nodippydolly... Ta for the reply luv..I do remember Hinge & Brackett, but not sure which 1 Dame Evadne Hinge was (gonna google in a mo).Out of curiosity are you actually from London?.'Cos I don't think so,but I could way be wrong? Oh,I also remember playin' YumYum out of the Mikado at Junior school,when my mum made my kimono..Sadly I never ended up as a thespian!! Lovely to speak though about memories! Thanks! 😊🤗😊🤗
Its mad how back then they thought oldham was crumbling …just look at it now. If these people could see oldham now theyd think were on a different planet lol thanks for this video
Well this was amazing to see ... made even more amazing by the fact that the young blonde mother with the baby (at 1' 26" and 17' 30") is 'MY MUM' with me in my first year of life!!!! OMG the year is 1964 and my mum is just 19.. My mum had told me about this when I was young, but I had never seen the footage, until now, so thank you so much for posting. Surreal to see myself as a baby, for anyone who is interested we are both still alive and well! I am now 51 and I live in Failsworth Manchester only 3 miles from where this was filmed, my Mum is now 70 (still beautful) living in Derbyshire via Fitton Hill, Failsworth, Laindon in Essex, Cleveleys, Southport and Blackpool!
My name is Richard Palmer age 51, I am married to Rachel with 2 gorgeous children Maisie 16 and Archie 6 (he could be the baby in the documentary to look at)
I remember so much about the Town, your posting is superb many many thanks!!!!!
Hope you are all still well
Brilliant upload. It was lovely to see the camaraderie and sense of community in my home town. All of us watching commented on how articulate the people were, including the children - not an 'innit' to be heard. Even when I was a child in the 70s and 80s it was much the same until SM influences and globalisation over localisation became the dominant force. Mind you, I only got to see this because of SM I suppose so... A double-edged sword. Still, this did make me long for times gone by and a simpler life in which it was easier to be more content and 'happy with one's lot'. With improvement comes the promise of attainment of greater things. This constant aspirationalism does definitely lead to a pervasive discontent and general ennui. That's why so many people can't find happiness now. Anyway, that's my two penneth's worth. 😄
Thanks for uploading this - I'm an ex-Oldhamer now in Australia, we migrated when I was 7. My Mum was raised in Barrowshaw estate, and most of my ancestors have been from Oldham for the last couple of hundred years working in the mills, so they would which I imagine was similar to this. We lived in Scouthead as well and the house we lived in had an outside loo and no hot water in the 1960's. Lovely to get a glimpse of a way of life and community and the older accents. Especially liked the attitude of the old lady with the bright eyes.
I lived on the barrowshaw estate..
That's àn amazing film.Places forgotten come back to life.long since left Oldham but go back often and it has a place within me.Thank you so much
Thanks Oldham Lad, that's quite an amazing film. Having moved away from Oldham many years ago, like many that did I'm still drawn back to it. Tragically though the Oldham of this documentary is long gone. That stuck up Town Planner from the south was dead wrong. It wasn't the physical conditions that made the town and the community, it was the people - and they were magnificent. They knocked down the houses and displaced the people with foreigners. What's left is a hollowed out husk.
The group (before we started calling ourselves "bands") was Tony D and the Shakeouts. I know because that's me with the white Fender Jazzmaster (and hair) at the Astoria ballroom. Half the band started out playing Saturday afternoons in Tommy Smith's "SavoyJunior Dance Band" I never saw this documentary until today because by the time it was transmitted we were touring American Air Force bases in Turkey. Many thanks to whoever found and posted it
You were so cool with your Jazzmaster, that must have cost a packet at the time.
@@davidbradshaw659 Thank you for your comment. I bought the Jazzmaster on hire purchase from Barratts on Oxford Street Manchester when I was still at school. I did a morning and evening paper round as well as regular pub gigs to pay for it. Needless to say, my academic carreer was disastrous! The guitar was originally sunburst but I had it re-sprayed after it suffered several on the road mishaps. I still play and sing in pubs and restaurants -I've never grown up.
@@iangood1 Fantastic story Ian, thanks for sharing that! I wasn't born yet but i always loved music from the sixties, the sound and the energy. You guys were really together, I guess you must have been playing alot of gigs at the time. Sounds fantastic the Jazzmaster through the AC30! All my best wishes to you.
That’s the biggest lie I’ve ever heard
Great to see the band in action. I've got and love the 45 'Is It True' b/w 'Never Let Her Go' and I'm searching for a copy of The Shakeouts 'Every Once In A While' b/w ' Well Who's That'. which I don't think you were on?
I really enjoyed that. Progress is in the eye of the beholder. I'm Dublin Irish. I've always had nostalgia for the old way's. People and their way's in both countries are very similar. Great people, we've all lived in poverty back in the day. Twenty to a bed and seven in the tin Bath Saturday night and a fry after for supper. Those were the days my friends we taught they'd never end but they did. The singing I miss, everyone sang those day's, sang the blue's. 🇮🇪🇬🇧
What a beautiful, sad film. This was before my time and I grew up in the south, I've no idea why the world of cobbled streets and mill chimneys resonates with me so much
What a fantastic documentary thanks for sharing
Boy does this bring back memories (such as they are) At the time of the demolition, I lived at 39 Rock Street opposite the Radcliffe Arms near to Oldham Parish Church. I actually attended The Parish Church school on Burnley Street adjacent to Tommyfield market ; I left the school in 1964. Just up the street, again adjacent to Tommyfield, was The Venus Coffee club where all the Teddy Boys used to hang about. A mate of mine lived on Lodge Street, and another on Radcliffe Street, and yet another in one of the "pinch backs" as (I think) we used to call them which proliferated in the ward. I could go on and on recalling happy memories, and there were a lot of them even in such a run down area as Saint Mary''s.
Amazing video.My school friend Susan Wrigley there also a brief glimpse of my sister xxx
The transmission date for "The End of a Street" was 02/12/64, although it was filmed over 9 weeks in the summer of 1964 according to a two page article in TV Times for that week. The gentleman with a southern accent was Tom Cartlidge, the Borough Architect, who in 1967 also appeared in another Granada documentary about the changing face of Oldham, "Living for a Change", tx: 28/04/67. The 1967 film was one of the long running "This England" series of documentaries and was featured on the front page of TV Times for that week. A two page article inside was titled "Mini-Skirts Among the Mills", which neatly summed up the film - the contrasting cultures of the fashions of the young people of Oldham and a newly opened boutique, with the old town of cotton mills.and back to back terrace houses.
I live in the Republic of Ireland and miss oldham very much❤
Same here Jack, I live in Dublin now but Oldham will always be home
Thanks for this video I enjoyed watching it.
it's gobsmacking. im blown away by this film. i am oldham, i miss it.
Magnificent film.
any more videos of lost oldham?brilliant vid oldham lad.
I walked through some of these streets when they were being demolished. It all felt terribly sad. I remember they ran off Shaw Rd at 90 degrees and directly onto Oldham Edge. The new St Marys estate was initially welcomed as palatial, but the planners were ultimately proven to have made a dreadful mistake with this. I intensely dislike that pompous one - insincere git. I do still miss a pint of OB Bitter ! It were gorgeous! Yet another thing lost to corporatism.
I was born in Oldham. These people would be ashamed if they saw some of the white working class today. Lancashire women a race apart.
Look at the shit they put up! Most of it has been knocked down too.
I wonder whatever happened to the articulate young Mod, did he get to leave Oldham and see the world?
Rodney Bewes' kid bro'?
I remember in Oldham even the grass had soot on it when I was a kid. It was a filthy town but instead of improving it and cleaning their act up the council embarked on mass demolition. Trouble was, what they replaced it with was horrific, poor quality, cheap accommodation that wasn't built to last. Some of these pompous clowns we see in this documentary must have made fortunes from destroying this town.Some terrific communities were destroyed forever and the way the people were compared to battery hens speaks volumes about the 'them and us' viewpoint of the planners. Just look at the old girls singing together at 34.00. You don't see that anymore! Listen to Mrs Browns viewpoint at 36.00 and compare to the idiot who follows immediately after. Progress is progress but personally I find the programme to be very depressing particularly when you think about what we had, what they did with it and what could have been.
These people were "see no evil, do no evil, speak no evil people, the absolute salt of the earth. Most of them would share whatever they had. The man at 39:15 summed them all up when he said " I believe this, never see anybody scint if you have any money in your pocket, and never see anybody without a butty and you will never be without a butty your self": (Butty = Sandwich).
Years later they did the same at Derker in exactly the same way. The St Marys estate they built after this has since been demolished again and replaced with a further estate. It has never had the same sense of community it had in this time. I still think despite Oldham's issues that its people are still down to earth, honest and caring and there is still a great many who would not see another struggling without trying to help.
worked on the sequel "1983 just like the street" about the disastrous scandanavian replacement under floor heating etc etc
Who else loved the song at 6:05/48:18 brilliant song is it like a woman's only club? for ladies to chat to other ladies? the lady on the stage who later in this told a funny story reminded me of Gracie Fields who told stories like this to the troops. i wasn't from this part of the world, but lovely people in this, people like this you don't get now, Mrs Brown looked such a lovely lady, everyone looked lovely in fact, nice manners etc. people aren't like this now sad to say.
Definitely a good soul.
1964, the year Mrs.Sharples friend Mrs.Longhurst quietly passed away in the snug of the Rovers Return pub, in 'Coronation St', more people tuned in than to any other tv programme that night in May '64.
@London Nodippydolly... I had to play Ena Sharples in a school play at the age of 7/8!! I would rather 'ave been Elsie Tanner!!! LOL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is "Bobby" still alive?
@@ukcopblue You mean Bobby the cat? he belonged to Mrs.Sharples other friend Mrs.Caldwell, like Mrs.Caldwell Bobby is long gone.
brilliant
This is brilliant
I lived there brings back so many memories
hi there,francis that lived at 117 oak road? if so its ROB from 113.how u doing still in good health i hope..
Aye, t'auld lass there 39:38, 'I seen them childer, brought up in yon street', childer or childern is pure norse, reet proper Owdum, I miss them accents, happy people they were, beautiful.
I lived on Radcliffe Street of Henshaw street we had the spotted cow behind us, But use to play on Coldhurst and St Marys. Dose anyone know where i can get a map of where the old streets where really interested much x
Could anyone tell me were the group was playing in this video of The End of a Street please thank you also what a bril vid this was, should be shown to senior schools about Oldham how it use to be
Tony D and The Shakeouts ( See comment at the top of the page)
Ian Goodall Dad, I think the question should have read 'where' not were. What was the venue?
always get 1 do gooder !!!!
There are lots of little two up two downs in London, we call them mews houses and sell them for millions 😅
37:44 Wonder what happened to his ashes once they laid the plastic pitch? He's probably somewhere in someone's landscaped garden in posh Cheshire.
The posh planner gives away his real aims and his ignorance - he sounds to me like he's on a civilisationary mission. But he doesn't understand community and he never appreciated the intelligence of these people.
Hi,I've Posted This to a Group I Run,"Parish Church Junior School" on Facebook. It Has Had a Great Response! :-)
anyone know if the guy singing blue moon goes by the name of Gorton ?
ian goodall
a question, when did groups become bands ?
what year i missed that somewhere along the way.
Not sure what year but Bob Dylan was backed by "The Band" for a while.
The Baron Knights had a big hit with "Call Up The GROUPS" - mimicking the likes of the Stones, Searchers etc. "Band"was for the likes of Joe Loss or Duke Ellington i.e. a large brass section and a conductor. Nowadays if you put two (usually miming) singers together , they call it a band.
@London nodippydolly... Ta for the reply luv..I do remember Hinge & Brackett, but not sure which 1 Dame Evadne Hinge was (gonna google in a mo).Out of curiosity are you actually from London?.'Cos I don't think so,but I could way be wrong? Oh,I also remember playin' YumYum out of the Mikado at Junior school,when my mum made my kimono..Sadly I never ended up as a thespian!! Lovely to speak though about memories! Thanks! 😊🤗😊🤗
17:48 - The rent is 15/11 per week, that's 79 pence! Though there's been quite a bit of inflation over the years, admittedly...
im guessing late 50's early 60's?
1964
Was Crown St in St Mary's Ward?
how could i acquire a dvd copy?. im from oldham.
As the original was 405 line, this would be about the same quality you'd find on a DVD.
When the cotton mills sold the spinning machinery to the third world, Oldham died .
4:18 the disregard of health and safety is unbelievable.. 😆
Is there a big Mosque there instead now by any chance .... ?
Too many lol😂😂😂😂😂
Its mad how back then they thought oldham was crumbling …just look at it now. If these people could see oldham now theyd think were on a different planet lol thanks for this video
No health and safety then! 🤣🤣🤣