Why I HATE Pro Tools
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- OK, so maybe I don't hate Pro Tools, but it's worth talking about why it's a lot less relevant than it used to be.
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Pro Fools is the " I gotta have it because look who else has it...besides it's expensive, so it must be good" DAW. The brains behind it know human nature, especially the musician ego all too well.
EXXXXACTLY
exactly why I bought it starting out, just to find myself in despair when not being able to easily use it lol. Spend a fortune, just to switch to Logic which is 1/4 of the price and astronomically better
@@DennisWerthMusic /@ProperLeg I once had to use it, to help another guy with his album, back in 2007. He fedexed me the hardware mix board or whatever it was, [at least 50 lbs] which was functionally of no real use, given that all the same controls & knobs were in the software as well, but had to be plugged in, in order for the software to run. I think it was even the low end/intro version of protools at the time, and I guessed it was around $700-1000. MIDI-wise, it was barely functional, and also limited otherwise since it was not the "Pro" version, nor equal to Cakewalk or Cubase of the same era.
It seemed more like what the very first DAW must have been, somewhat like the first digital harware recorders that had no MIDI features, and I couldn't understand why anyone would use it, given all the features of it's competitors. As far as I could tell, the reasoning amounted to a kind of hooded scorn for MIDI and sampling as "cheating", and to be a "Pro" you needed to do all your tracks with live instrument recording.
Once his album was done, he had me mail it back to him [at his expense]. The postage for the round trip had to have been more than the thing was worth by that time.
Currently I own Logic Pro X and it's super amazing, but I wanted to try my hand at the other DAWs so I installed the trials for REAPER, Cubase Elements, FL Studio, Pro Tools, and Ableton Live. I love all of them for different reasons. FL has a very nice interface, Live is fun to use, Cubase is pretty standard, and REAPER is also great with its customization. Honestly my first look at Pro Tools I couldn't stand it; it looked so awful. But I knew that I shouldn't judge a book by its cover so I tried to do some recording and MIDI. Everything just seems so unnecessarily complicated and honestly I see no reason why to use it. Really just use what you're comfortable with, but still.
You last paragraph summed it ALL up!
The phrase "unnecessarily complicated" perfectly sums up everything about ProTools... The UI, the file structure, the iLok system. Virtually every process I do in it I constantly think how much simpler and quicker that same process is in Logic or Reaper.
Logic Pro is lovely. At first, it feels clunky if you come from Ableton, but it gets better quickly. The only thing missing is Modulator as an audio effect.
This is so awesomely truth to reason, wow!
I've tried out reaper and couldn't believe that it only costs 60 Dollars. For me as a not so wealthy audio school student this is perfect so I can put the money I save compared to the cost of others daws into the accoustic treatment of my homestudio and still have a quality full version daw to work with. Reaper and studio one those are my fav daws so far. Pro tools is just a dinosaur at this point
Since I upgraded to Pro Tools 12 (and now 2018), every time I open a moderate-sized-or-larger session, Pro Tools locks up for a few minutes, sometimes 10 minutes. Then once it unfreezes, as soon as I hit spacebar, I get a CPU Overload error. Then another. Then probably one more...THEN I can finally play audio. While working, maybe every half-hour to hour on average, Pro Tools will just inexplicably seize up indefinitely, making me force-quit and go through the process all over again. I'm sometimes on 2-day turnarounds for huge writing projects, and needless to say I _absolutely hate Pro Tools._ However, I have to pretend to love it, and so I do. I do love it. I love it when it's working, which is in short bursts.
I need to move on but I can't!
Dude it's a bug. I found it was a bug in windows 10. I rolled back to windows 7 and and the cpu overload went away completely.
Too bad. Avid does have compatibility documents on their website. Too bad you did not follow that advice. If you have projects with two-day turn arounds, you either hate yourself, or need to learn not to get the latest until it's supported.
Sounds to me like it’s your computer/OS..it has nothing to do with pro tools itself.
Get Any other DAW. You’ll thank yourself
floofytown are you on a cheap PC?
I finally abandoned Pro Tools (for Reaper) after 20 years. I'm a composer, and Pro Tools hasn't really updated its MIDI editing features since version 7 (2005!) and STILL can't match what Cakewalk could do in 1992.
I'm relatively new to DAW's and have been deeply into these DAW tutorials. Like so many, I was steered to Pro Tools by friends (and supposed experts) but found the software was buggy and unreliable. It was VERY frustrating because I didn't know if it was me or the software. I was looking for someone online to actually tell me the TRUTH. This is one of the BEST videos I've come across for it's level of honesty and logic. It's just nice to know I'm not crazy. Thanks so much.
I took a course my freshman year of college where pro tools was mandatory, and the only thing i can say i really gained from it was, after I learned pro tools, other daw’s such as logic and cubase (which are my two go to softwares) seemed much more well put together and easier to use. Everything in pro tools was either not intuitive at all, or just took 1 or 2 more steps than it should. I also found that pro tools was just needlessly limiting in areas that didn’t really make sense.
Some years ago a friend came into my studio and he asked me how many tracks I can run on my system (I use Cubase). First I didn't understand his question and I just answered: "As much as my system can handle. I have projects with more than 120 tracks at a latency of 4ms running very fluid". Then, he asked me how that is possible. I replied: "I'm not using Pro Tools". No joke. LOL.
I learned on PT. I tried to get away from it but I couldn't because I was so much slower in any other DAW. When you are doing overdubs or mixing with an artist in the room, "hold on a second" is the kiss of death. Then Studio One came out with their keyboard shortcut maps. So I could use all of the PT hot keys and the smart tool. Game over! I haven't looked back.
Reaper is also my DAW of choice atm !
@@bw2937 The original one
Avid is the Apple of the audio industry.
truuuuuu
Ugly comparison. If you have a pc with a processor of 3,2 ghz, on a mac you need 2,2. The technology is just better. Though cubase is 100 times better than logic and pro tools together.
The comparison was in terms of their business practices, but what you are suggesting about the differences in technology is utter nonsense.
thevisi0nary That’s what you made it sound like, so the ‘utterly nonsense’ crap primarily started by you.
But Apple is in the Audio industry...Logic lol
Used Protools 22 years ago for the first time. I still keep v11 around for compatibility and export checks, but I pretty much work in Reaper now for post production, editing, sound design and more. What I do with Reaper would have cost me 30.000 Euros or more if I were to do that with Protools. This setup cost me less than 3000. And even then those tasks may take a longer time in PT. Speed, ability and customization always wins. Btw, AATranslator can import and export Protools 5-12 sessions, just in case someone does not know this yet.
Just to set the record straight:
1. Pro Tools does do, and has done at least since version 8, delay compensation.
2. There is an option to have Pro Tools carry on without freezing if the CPU is overloaded, has been an option forever. Since you don't want many plugins during tracking due to latency it shouldn't be an issue while tracking, so the best take shouldn't be ruined anyway.
Pro Tools has its issues but what you're describing is way in the past. Nothing costs extra it's all included in the subscription. The system isn't that slow anymore. I can run 250+ plugins with ease and don't crash. Not saying you can't like other DAWs better, there's always competition, but what you're describing just isn't accurate anymore.
Pro tools is very expensive compared to its rivals. That's my only point. You can't just buy the software and actually own it forever with updates. You need to pay for it everytime. Fl studio offers Lifetime updates in any version. Reaper too.
I have the newest Pro Tools and at 14% of CPU usage it tells me that my CPU is overloaded and crashes Pro Tools to the point that I have to reboot my PC. FUCK PRO TOOLS
@@k.u.m.o.r same, I'm sick of it, I built a decent pc just for an overpriced program to tell me it sucks, it's insulting and avid doesn't care about improving it.
@@k.u.m.o.r 👏👏👏👏 YES.
I was initially turned off by the fact that you were required to use their hardware. I'm glad I never got tied up in it. They just seemed like a a shitty company.
I use Reaper also. Love it!
The best thing about Pro tools was that I wanted to try the test version and it required the iLok 2. One of the moderators in the forum actually wrote to see this as an investment in the future...
Oh, look. Reaper
ruassmarkt ikr. I tried to give a 30 day trial, but they wanted me to get the ilok 2 USB. It is hard to install unless you have ilok 2
And for Cubase demo you need e-Licenser and what? And iLok it is really a contribution to the future, because many plugins use it not only Pro Tools. Real talk, think about it.))
That is odd. I can download the trial no problem.
You just need the digital ilok account which is a free download/register.
That said if you are in the market of buying plugins, having an ilok2 is pretty much theway to go.
I Commando exactly lol
And there's the problem with Reaper.. looking at it. It's hideous.
Over the years my little music group has used a variety of DAWs. Mostly cheaper because we couldn't afford Pro Tools. Well, I eventually could afford Pro Tools - and I liked it as it was relatively stable by comparison to the other platforms we had used - and I could say - Hey, I got ProTools!! Then, my brother comes along with Reaper and I was not on-board. However, I begrudgingly began to use it. Right away I found that if I had a specific question - there was tutorial on THAT specific question - Nice!. There is a lot to say about great customer support. Then, there are updates almost every other day!!! Love it!! I use it both on Mac and PC - both run rock solid. To make a long story short - I had some projects on Pro Tools that I wanted to finish up - I found it clunky and unresponsive - and trying to do anything was like running knee deep in mud. So, I exported all of my projects and imported them into Reaper. Very happy with Reaper. And what is like the most, which is probably the dumbest reason to like Reaper - all of the crazy skins and the color choices for my tracks. It's the little things :-)
I love Pro Tools. I am a certified user and have worked professional with Pro tools for 12 years. I agree with you. There are so many good options now. Nobody need pro tools over other DAWs. But when you work in post production, sometimes time is so limited and deadlines so horrible. So I need to work very fast and effectively. Therefore, I can never use free versions. I need the suspend automation function. I need bus-to-bus routing. And I absolutely need the intuitive shortcuts in PT together with Quickeys. It is a very powerful combination, and I can`t work without it. So even though I love Cubase, Logic Pro X and Reaper, I can not work as fast and effectively with any other DAWs.
I work very fast in Cubase. Pro Tools is difficult. We work better with wat we know i guess
You do know that you can have the same key commands as Pro Tools in Logic Pro X?
@@ashwin6070 I know that you absolutely can not. I have tried, trust me. This is not due to one thing being better than the other or anything like that. Because I love Logic and try to use it as much as possible.
@@jjjuhg I know you can work fast in Cubase as well, and ofc we always love the ones we know. But yet, I have never heard or seen anyone ever work as fast in Cubase or any other DAWs so it would resemble touch typing. No kidding, that is how fast your fingers will move in PT when you`re professional. What I do like with Cubase, Reaper and other DAWs over PT is their ability to program macros without the need for a third party program.
@@MedianM In your cases I would try studio one. Even though it can work pretty much as you expect it from pro tools, it works the best with drag and drop only. Everything you could imagine is working with drag and drop. And everything that makes no sense with drag and drop is flexible with keyboard shortcuts - in your case, you also can ajust pro tools shortcuts in the settings automatically. This mixture did lead to the conclusion that my workflow is now so much faster and smoother than in cubase.
No need to be complain about DAWS these days because there is no one clear winner that would please everyone. So I choose to focus on the quality of the music I produce. No listener cares about which DAW was used to produce the music they listen to. All they care about is if the music is good for them. If reaper is good for you, that's totally fine and I wish you all the best. For me pro tools is my number one DAW. I also LGX sometimes
My studio bought the first Digidesign DAW in Michigan back in the early 90's. It was called Sound Tools and was a 2 channel system. Their first try at a 4 track system was a disaster. I later started using Cubase. I still have and use my 25 year old Mac G4 running Cubase VST32 5.0 to track. Currently switching over to Reaper and loving it!
I started using Pro Tools 13 - 14 years ago and I stopped after I some what mastered it. I was under a rock. Thanks for filling in the blanks.
What made you jump from cubase to reaper?
found Reaper difficult to start with because I was wading through the written manual. Started going through the reaper videos with Kenny Gioia and it's a no brainer to use. Pro tools first is prettier on first look but no comparison in value to Reaper.
just get the pro tools theme lol :D
Just a quick question, To invest in "Reaper" and to get up and running appx. how much money would I have to invest? Thank you for your posting.
Reaper is 60 dollars, and a half decent interface like an Audient iD4 is about 120 dollars. If you’ve got a pc or Mac, that’s it
@@adamsteelproducer Thank you for replying if I could give you two thumbs up I would.
"within a couple of months you'll be saying why didn't I do this sooner?" .... Dude I switched from Logic ProX to Reaper and was saying that same thing within DAYS!!! My aging Mac Mini (Mid 2011) even runs 40+ track mixing sessions smooth without overloading (I use a LOT of analog emulations).
Pro tools greed and arrogance has set them back. I use Cubase
I'm an absolute beginner to DAWs and recently purchased an audio interface. First I installed pro tools first which was around 2GB and getting it to just start was a painful process. Then I installed Ableton live lite. Much easier to install but still around 1.5 GB. After a couple of days I got to know about reaper. After checking the 12MB size of the installation package, I was skeptical whether it's any good. It's so intuitive and easy to use and way better than pro tools and Ableton for my use case. I'm not sure whether pro tools is great or even a good software but it's certainly not meant for beginners like me
I've recorded one single track in protools and it has stopped and told me I have to many plugins even though I only have ONLY ONE audio track and not even one plug in on it!! It's insane!!!
Try Reaper :D
@@kedskies Yes Reaper is truly awesome!! Thanks!! Reaper is so efficient in the way they handle your cpu loads!! I had a 40 track project open with 3 plugins and still there is no errors. It just keeps working.... 😅😅😅😅
I have owned protools for 9 years, I have used it maybe a month. I now use Studio One... PT 11 on my ilok doing nothing... I hate their pricing plan, more like creative extortion.
lol thats ur fault for tryng studio one without a bundle or something. tbh i would try something than gay ass studio one anyways lol
Studio one is fire, what are you on about.
@Caleb Fredrick Lol dude can't even read what the original comment was trying to say and he's out to attack the sexuality of people using a music software that he doesn't use.
I use a combo of FL Studio and Studio One v2 with plan to upgrade to Studio One v4
Grid21 do upgrade this black Friday 50% off
Recently switched from Pro Tools 10 to Reaper because of iLok driver issues.
There's no going back, I love what I'm seing and I'm grateful to you for making this channel, loads of valuable info here. :)
Yo aprendí a producir con Pro Tools FIRST hace unos 5 años. Nunca necesité más plugins que los que venian de fábrica porque mi música es acústica. Aprendí a colocar mis micrófonos en la batería y amplificadores como lo hacen en grandes estudios. 16 pistas eran suficientes para mí como cantautor. Hoy, la versión Artist es perfecta para mí. En el camino aprendí a usar Ableton, Cakewalk, Cubase, FL Studio y Reaper gracias a las licencias que me regalaban al comprar alguna interface o monitores. Creo que lo intuitivos y sencillos de usar es lo que me terminaba aburriendo de ellos. Habemos quienes preferimos enrutar todas nuestras pistas (vieja escuela) y PT es la opción más similar al flujo de trabajo de una verdadera consola analógica. Saludos y bendiciones!
muchas personas queremos opciones de cómo trabajar, y la flexibilidad, posibilidades, y hasta eficiencia que nos permiten tener otros DAWs.
en la uni estoy usando PT, y veo a lo que te refieres, el ruteo por ejemplo es muy similar a lo análogo, pero incluso con música como la nuestra (como dices, tirándole más a lo acústico), en lo personal prefiero la flexibilidad de reaper.
I left PT a couple of years back for Cubase Pro. I've been playing with Reaper and have customized it quite a bit, very impressive in what it can do, just still feels like a work in progress though. Got the latest PT just try for a month.....love the new dark mode and I think they do the folder tracks thing better than anyone else. But man, just working in it after Cubase feels like I'm gone back to prehistoric days. It's an adventure just adding an instrument track lol
I needed this to fuel myself back up after having to work in protools cause they started working on the sample library in Protools so I needed to use it
Yes, I have not hated but loathed Pro Tools since the earliest Digidesign day’s - for many of the same reasons you cite. I’ve very much enjoyed all of your postings on this channel. They have become at the top of my list for gear reviews and Reaper vids. Keep up the excellent work!
I have made a big mistake buying protools 9.06. It has cost me a lot off money and until now I was not able to work with it because it was/is a very instable program. Technicans of Avid could either loose the problems. Now there is no support at all because the program is legacy.
I agree reaper is a much better and smaler and faster.
Haha i made a similar mistake, i'm learning sound design to work in movies or games and got convinced to know pro tools because it's still used everywhere.
So i bought PT 12, i regret it now but at least i didn't have to buy in full they changed to renting it 20euros a month so it wasn't a big loss to cancel.
I’ve used Pro Tools since 2002...actually a certified Pro Tools operator and I can attest that other software would blow PT out the water. I made the switch to REAPER and it’s like night and day. Google “pro tools vs reaper” and you’ll see just how far behind Pro Tools is.
WRONG, The best software is what works best for the person controlling it. A country guitarist might play a traditional rock guitar, Prince Loved to play funk/rock on telecasters which are were designed for country music. Should Prince have played a les paul, I've heard amazing music created mixed and mastered within pro tools, Reaper, Logic, Studio 1 Nuendo, Ableton, even garageband
HOW YOU 'TAB TO TRASIENT " & NUDGE ?
No. When it comes to sound post production for film nothing get close to PT. It's not just a DAW, it's entire eco system used by 99% of studios.
@@ernieg In Reaper? Hit the tab key. That's it. Just tap the tab key. Nudging you say? Hit the "n" key...or if you don't like those keys, change them.
Pro tools sells you a version full of bugs and app issues and then tells you to pay a monthly subscription to fix their own bugs ..
YES 👏👏👏👏👏👏😂
I can understand the dominant position of Pro Tools in professional recording studios where price was not an issue, but for a pro musician seeking to record and compose music it makes no sense. Cubase, Logic or Studio One offer way better alternative. For the hardware, it is way too expensive regarding the specs. Focusrite, Universal Audio or Antelope offer more for the buck and top notch plug-ins bundle.
I lost my license key for Reaper when my computer crashed. Is it possible to get it back?
Cockos email you your license, so I’m sure it’s in there somewhere. Get digging!
Email cockos from the email you bought it and they may send your license again.
How much is the cheapest pro tools 12? Thanks
As someone that’s fairly new to mixing and producing I appreciate vids like this. I messed in Pro Tools First for 1 song and the rest I’ve done in Studio One. That said, in the past couple days I’ve installed and started playing in Reaper. I’m digging it!!! Not sure if that’s where I’ll stay, but it definitely has captured my interest enough to work on a few projects in it.
I know pro tools like the nack of my hands after 15years with it. I want to use a newer software im just afraid of the learning curve with a new system. How similar is reaper?
There's a lot of crossover for sure. If you're that good with Pro Tools, i'd say you're doing ok since PT engineers are always in demand
My first DAW was Pro Tools never really lives it when I used it, switched to Logic and I’ve never looked back.
Just to balance it out a little. Pro Tools is a terrific piece of software, reliable, steady, my setup never crashes, no hiccups, no cpu spikes, native and rock solid.
Its a great tool once you know how to use it. I have yet to see a daw more suited for working fast and sharp with audio tracks, editing, pocketing, comping, slicing and arranging. As a guitar player, producer and engineer I find myself at certain times almost playing the software like it was an instrument.
Yes, the alternatives are great as well, but don’t think you know all there is to know. In this business there are tons of different tasks, genres, needs and crafts. Don’t be narrow minded. I myself feel Pro Tools is a masterpiece well worth the 20 bucks or so i’m paying for my license. Peace.
I tried Pro Tools, and I agree it's a great bit of kit, no doubt. BUT, it's nearly €40 a month and that's if you sign up fo a year.... Cakewalk doesn't cost a bean, nothing. There's nothing I need PT for that I can't do equally as easily in Cakewalk. €40 MONTHLY is not to be sniffed at, I could get a trolley load of food/beer from the supermarket for that :))
I gave up Protools cause it crashed time after another... I almost lost my creative lust. LogicProX became my DAW and it is working without any trouble all the time! However, I am curious about Reaper!
Please don't shout at me if I ask you about Audition... Do you use Audition? I started recording at 24bit 96khz only recently and I noticed the difference/never go back to 44.1 or 48khz sampling... any tips would be appreciated. Thank you. I'm glad there are out there people like you. I'm using Reaper only for my voice and I like it. I'm not a pro user. Also, a fairly good microphone if can you advise. I have an XLR AT 2020 48v but it starts cracking sometimes and I dont want to spend over 100 quid on one.
Again, this is where I applaud outside the box. I use PT LE 8, routing the outputs through the Alesis HD 24 and analog mixing console by way of the digi 002. True PT is not a solid beat making program. Its the best at mixing. IMO, stop trying to use 80 plug-ins per track and get back to the basics, the music. Personal preference is a privilege. I use Studio One the same way I described with Pro Tools. But at the end of the day, its about the music, not the method.
Same here, I use it with Ableton. I prefer PT for mixing and I'm still using 8 too :)
@@DataScientist268 so you know what I'm talking about.
@sandcastles-online.com Yeah, still #1 for mixing and mastering. I'm a traditional musician(play multiple instruments) and have no need for a million plugins, so more often than not PT suits my needs. These hipsters make it sound like PT is not an excellent DAW.
@@DataScientist268 thanks I appreciate it. Even though I still use other daws like Studio One to make track, (I don't do that so much these days. ) But PT is still my go-to for mixing. And I can still sync it to my HD24 for tracking and analog mixing.
I know it wont interest many but there is a completely parallel story with CGI and video compositing packages. 15 years ago you have to get a 'flame suite' with dedicated RAID hardware and software costing £100k to do real-time video compositing and 3d video effects. Now with more powerful home machines can do that in after effects or Nuke for a fraction of the price. Even sketch up can do 3d as good as £3000 software. Industry gets tied into these systems and the skilled users so it stays. I just started DAWS with reaper and it seems to be great I can make it look like audio photoshop (which is good for me).Ableton is similar but more EDM focused I feel but i'm loving trying all options.
I met Pro Tool users first in 1995 in a music shop/school where I taught keyboards, when it was audio only rec/editor. Digidesign included MIDI support around 1999. By 2005 all the pro tool users I knew STILL HAD NO MIDI. 15 yrs behind the pack, yet avid SCREAM best in industry. Bullshit. A rip off if you ask me. I had to buy & use Pro tool for uni course too (in 2017). It is SLOWWWWW and a pain in the ass.... would never recomend to anyone. (how could you do that to somebody, unless you hate them. It bugs and frustrates users, complicated more than necessary, costs the earth and kills creativity. Not really a together / happening thing).
There are so many well written software rec/seq's out there. Almost any would put AVID to shame... & the COST !!!! unbelievable. P.s. Don't worry about CUSTOMER SERVICE...... they ain't home... never reply & put you on an automated junk mailing list. Want to buy more shit like this ? The world could do without such company practices. They should be sued for false advertising.
Used Notator/logic/cakewalk/cubase/fruity loops/ & probably others i can't remeber. my point is... Avoid AVID. you have been warned.
I used to be a die hard Pro Tools guy, but I switched to Logic about a year or two ago! Pro Tools has been the standard for as long as I remember but I honestly think that's about to change ASAP!
Thanks for introducing me to Reaper, I’ve heard about it but now I’m investigating
Well I use Pro Tools and Reaper :)
There are certain editing features in PT which makes it faster for me. Especially the Transient Detection.
There’s a transient detector in Reaper, and it can be configured really finely- also there’s dynamic split which detects all transients instantly if you want to save quite a lot of time
Yes, and I have used that. It is in fact more configureable than in PT. However there are a few things which suit my workflow more in PT.
The detection in PT seems to rely on more than a threshold feature, while the parameters are not as accessible, it works more reliable/faster. (I find, at least)
While group editing you can choose which tracks are used to detect transients. In Reaper you have to bounce the desired tracks in a "detection-track" first.
You can add transient markers and remove them before splitting the regions. In Reaper you would need to heal the items or cut them manually after splitting. I'm talking about dynamic split/beat detective.
Then the quantizing function does follow the transient markers in PT. In Reaper the only option(i know of) is to quantize the beginning of the items. If you selected a lead time before the transient, all your transients will now be late by the lead time. You can work around those things, but that takes time.
I realize, that this does not mean Reaper or any other DAW can't do editing, but I'm faster in PT. Also it is a matter of personal preference, as you said. I probably could write scripts for Reaper that could do the things I mentioned, but I'm not a programmer.
Now there are quite a few cool things you can do in Reaper with the SWS Extensions and scripts, like for example:
Stretch the audio if the gap is more than x ms long. Mark it, if the stretch rate is too high/low. Very useful!
I use Reaper mainly for writing music, because the workflow for that is faster for me. It is a matter of personal preference. But I wouldn't rule out PT as a DAW for anyone. Though I agree, that PT is not the industry standard anymore and everyone is free to choose his/her favorite. :)
uhhh reaper has transient detection thats adjustable
@@flos3328 In Reaper, you can select which items to detect transients in, but have it split (or add stretch markers) to the grouped tracks as well.
I’m an FL user for 7 years. Recently made the switch to Cubase and was really delighted that it has every thing I was looking for. Now I’m still using FL for a lot of my music, but slowly transitioning to Cubase.
Tried Reaper and I know that if you know how to use it, it becomes really powerful, but it just doesn’t suit me.
Your videos are really inspiring though!
it does have delay compensation per track which you can switch on and off with key commands per channel, where you can monitor it and freeze it, that came out with version 12, I've used most DAW's right from using performer in the early nineties, and have to say I absolutely adore Pro Tools, but then am certified and so I would say that hahahaha, but seriously once you know how to set both the system and the session correctly I never ever have any issues with pro Tools, am used to working with huge sessions inside Pro Tools and it never ever hick ups. I spent years building pc's to cope with my cubase sessions and got so sick of it, once I had set my system up correctly to use Pro Tools all previous issues attempting to run a decent sized session disappeared. Horses for courses. There will always be a system to cater for all needs and desires. me , I'm a PT fan .
The only downside of Reaper to me is the somewhat stepmotherly implementation of control surfaces. Getting my X-Touch _and_ its expander to work was quite a pain in the butt, and it still suffers from several compromises.
Other than that, I will probably never use another DAW in my life.
I still use SONAR X1. Sure it's not supported, but it works perfectly fine, has enough options and a decent GUI.
I have yet to see a problem in track count, latency or amount of plug-ins between that and my RME RayDat.
Taking a course using Pro Tools and it's kicking my ass. Probably gonna stick with Logic Pro when it's done.
After 2 years. I found you really right.
I have have 3 DAWs copy. I tried the others also in dome for enough time. Every time reaper is the king !! ..
Why am saying this becasue am good in at many DAWs and I know well each one..
And reaper is freaking fast and solid!
I agree with you however I will say for post production especially with large productions where you're running multiple systems simultaneously we're not at a place to transition yet which is a shame however i think it will shift. I started and still use Ableton for all my sound design involving synths, midi and samplers and use protools just for sync, mixing and deliverables. The fact that protools is hyping folder tracks and audio to midi as a new thing is so weird to me. Just learn them all if you can I guess - reaper is 👍
Sure, I have said time and again that post production is it’s own bubble though, integration with film standards is a must
You can choose record through errors in Pro Tools 2018. I've found the delay compensation to be quite good too, especially for manual or external hardware send delay comp. Not saying AVID is an amazing company, especially compared to what else is out there...
Cubase forever 💚🎶 Pro audio snobbery tools. Trevor Horn and the boys *could* afford it back then lol
I think perhaps you forgot to mention one of the gems of Pro Tools and one feature that no one else has been able to get right: the built in Edit Tool. With minimum input you can, actually even the absolute beginner can as well, craft the most elaborate edits imaginable that sound great right away; at breakneck speed too. It takes 5min to get to know the Edit Tool but what it can do defines the whole product and in my mind sets it apart from everything else. Talk about samples mangling jesus! It's an electronic musicians dream. All the other features you can chuck in the bin as far as I'm concerned. They don't matter nearly as much. To be fair it seems that Avid has caught up on most fronts in terms of features. I'm an electronic musician primarily and wouldn't even attempt the kind of editing that I can achieve in PT on anything else. It would be a step down. I understand your complaints though. For me the only complaints are the price gouging and the arbitrary limits they put on the product categories. Oh and the annual fee you have to pay if you want updates after the first 12 months. Much of music process is illusion and I've yet to find something better than the built-in Edit Tool to get at that illusion.
All of that is great, sounds like a huge time saver - if Pro Tools doesn't crash.
I dont get it..I been using pt for over 10 years and I know other engineers that use other daws and they say theirs is faster but I blow em out the water everytime..and I've mixed 100+ track recordings A LOT with no crashes or slow downs. It's all about how you set up your workflow..but ppl make amazing stuff in every daw..its all a matter of preference..there is no bad daw really..
For real. I swtich between FL Studio and Ableton Live regularly, but am required to use Pro Tools for my music course. There is no "better" daw.
I don't get it either...It's all about getting to know your DAW in and out and building up your personal workflow.
I personally love ProTools in combination with my 11R and never had crashes or something like that.
And also...why would you need to tell people that you hate something?! Don't get the point of that video.
7:42 How unoptimized it seems to other DAWs.
To me it's their pricing model.
To each their own I guess. Personally, I don't know why the Pro Tools workflow feels so clunky to me.
Right now my favorite DAW is SO4. In my opinion it operates like ProTools, but optimized for production and creativity. The mixing area is fantastic as well. I've heard Reaper is the best one. I downloaded the Free Trial and I couldn't get into it. It looks too... "unmodern" for my taste. Like an old computer program style. For now I'm sticking with Studio One 4. I'm in too deep. Plus, I'm happy with it. Like you said, you gotta optimize your DAW for your creations. People create amazing music from all DAWs.
Pretty accurate assessment............thanks........but I never, I think, found protools mac HD unstable at all, just expensive and a bit lumbersome.
I like Reaper. PT en Cubase to difficult to begin. I also like Ignite to compose songs! It's so user friendly!
20 years ago - Pro Tools
Today - *Pro Fools*
One 100% true. I share the same "commitment fear" as you. I don't like to commit tracks until the very last part.
It’s not a fear on my part, it’s a much more positive feeling of having the power to make changes if the feeling comes. I usually 95% stick with my first instinct, but sometimes an EQ move on one track can be complemented well by a slight tweak on another channel- having all options open makes it a simple pair of mix moves
Smart people use .... REAPER ! Once I found Reaper , all others just wont do . Reaper = stability , efficiency , customize-able , and a pure joy to work with , every time .
Tone Driver SS even smarter ppl use Logic Pro X!!!
Tone Driver SS - I just started using Reaper, and I was doing great with playing back audio files, but now, I am having a minor problem with the program playing my audio clip/files. The audio seems to drag; I'm not sure what happened! Has this ever happened to you?
@@cathywilson1273 I had a similar issue. The solution was dead simple: make sure your bit rate in windows matches your project setting.
I've had slowtools tell me my Cpu is overloaded because I had to many plugins going!! Funny thing is .... I didn't have ANY plugins on any of my tracks whatsoever!! Really Avid!!!!
I use Reaper, Cubase, Sonar, even that Pro- tools crash because of PCU over load still Pro tools will kick the ass on all of them. I say use separated hard drive for everything you do on Protools and everything be okay
i use Studio One for tree years now, and in my university the force me to use Pro Tools, and i really hate it, because is SOOOO Slow, is fells Heavy, the workflow is horrible. and my teachers dont even lisen to me when i tried to explaind why i dont like it. and they dont let me use ST. Pro Tools is Good, but is Stuck in time, they still thik that is te best of the best, but really isn´t.
tanks for the teaches of my university, now i hate pro tools.
Agreed. Studio was a godsend for me personally.
Same here man lol, they still think it's the standard, I use Fl studio and i tried using studio one 3 its a very nice and well designed daw, but no other daw got FL piano roll.
Wow. How can you be at 'University' if you cant even write?
Mohamed Eiloush Pro tools literally IS the standard. As much as YOU hate it..you can go to any major studio in the world and find it there and open a session made at any other major studio in the world. That’s what makes it the standard. I guarantee you can’t make a session on studio one..and go to any random studio and find studio one there and work on that session. THAT is why the schools and everybody else recommends and even demands you know how to work pro tools.
@@2gunzfilms425 - In 2019, we have the internet. I can import and export files easily between ANY DAW. I can work in Studio One in my professional home studio and export out the AAF files to Pro Tools with ease. So, NO: Pro Tools is NOT the "standard" any more.
Protools is mainly geared towards big production houses nowadays. It's a shame the bigger studios still use it as well. I guess there needs to be a standard that everyone knows. The smaller versions of protools work so slowly and hate synths. I watch guys on youtube that use Ableton and life just seems so much simpler. Running 20 synths on a normal computer doesn't seem to be a problem. I'm forced to print everything constantly even though my computer isn't slow at all. It's a big decision to move to a new DAW, especially if you've been using the same program for over 10 years. It's funny, I remember moving from pc cubase to mac protools and thinking I had arrived at the ultimate program. The first time I turned it on...CPU overload. I've been having the same problems for 10 years and they just can't or won't fix the bugs. Maybe it's time to move. Thanks for the video.
Dude! Me and You can talk for a while! ‘Cause everything you said it’s so true! Avid took advantage of Every one…
I think Cockos is able to provide very quick fixes and rapid updates/improvements because the code base of Reaper is probably very clean and it's relatively simple to be able to introduce features and improvements in that kind of a code base. On the other hand, DAWs like Pro Tools and Cubase (but mostly PT) have huge bloat in their code base which they refuse to improve or change. I think PT code base suffers from the problem that "If I change this variable in the code, I don't know where it's affect is gonna be" which is probably why whenever they introduce a new feature (which is not so new in other DAWS) it almost always introduces new kinds of bugs and performance pain points. I know Studio One has a similar approach as Cockos, they have clean, concise and modern code base and that's why the software is more stable and they are able to provide new features, improvements and bug fixes so quickly.
i use cakewalk sonar family since i play guitar (9 years) . the platinum version was great i think, very nice interface and good stability ( i learned everything i know with it). and when i read that the software was at the ending of the development, i've searched for a new daw and naturally, pro tools hd was on my top list. i launched the software and... waouu...this interface...very "windows 95 style" i thought^^ ok i think it's not for me^^ and now i'm always searchning between nuendo, studio one, reaper, cubase...
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This may help, if you didn't know already.
I left Sonar after using it for decade or so, there were just too many functional problems for me, once I decided to leave Windows, Reaper was a clear choice :)
I've had protools say my CPU is maxed out and overloaded even when I absolutely don't even have any plug ins open whatsoever!! My computer is a hot rod I don't know why it does that!!
Had pro fools paying for it annually. Not anymore! Use Reaper and Studio One and love them!
Tried Reaper, was amazed by its capabilities, but wasn't that user friendly for me. Now I use Pro Tools for collaborations with bigger studios, but once its got edited I transfer everything into Studio One. To me with all the keyboard shortcuts and macros there's no match in term of speed and workflow that comes even close to it.
(for everyone commenting bs) Pro Tools is a high end DAW, that`s it! It is not meant to work in a "standalone" mode, it requires an entire environment for it to show it's full potential and advantages over others daw's which are meant to run on a laptop with an audio interface...If you don't have external processors, tons and tons of I/O wires to connect and a business to run than it's probably not your best option since it's expensive not only to buy but to maintain. I'm sure that anyone who calls pro tools a joke or irrelevant in the industry has never stepped in the door of a high end studio...btw...great video, really like your opinion on this one and most important, the respect for it's legacy!
I use to thank you had to have pro tools to get pro sound. Found out not tru i use mixcraft 8. I started with 5 upgraded evertime they made A NEW ONE Iam NOW USING 8 . alot of people our sleeping on the mixcrafts yall should really try it.
Ive tried it as a kid moved on to reaper tho can you add plugins ??
@Matt you can add plugins. The problem Mixcraft still has, even in version 8, is while it has been getting better over time, you can lose ALL of your work on a crash when you're saving sometimes and is unrecoverable. You can even lose the most recent file so make sure you backup often. This has been a problem going back to Mixcraft 5 and still isn't fixed. It's a good tool though.
Protools is based on code that's literally decades old and that (according to a few friends of mine who write software for a living) part of the reason Protools is such a CPU hog. I have met reps from the company who've made claims that more recent versions of Protools (9 and Up..I started on 4..eek) have been heavily optimized for modern PC's or Macs.
My friend immediately disputed that and pointed out certain things that indicated it was still using code
from around the time of Protools 6...eep.
I don't write/code software for a reason, so I Base this opinion on what was pointed out to me regarding its
sluggishness.
As for the what's a better Daw thing/operating thing, I don't care.
Use what makes you happy I guess.
Studio One is working for me..but as I also sound design, Gots ta be Protools for that.
Any post guys/gals I work with have Protools sessions, not much else really.
For my opinion:
I can’t find the ultime Daw. Every daw has his cons. I love protools for edition. Cubase/nuendo is more modern and great also for edition. I think that cubase is better than protools and have more features inside. It’s faster for automation and for midi. Also the warp in cubase is better than protools elastic audio. I tried to transform cubase to be like protools with shortcut because I love the protools shortcut for editing.
Ableton live is good for composer. It’s faster for the workflow.
I don’t know reaper and fl studio.
I tried Luna and I think in few years it will be one of the best.
Happy to hear somebody tell the truth about Pro Tools and comparing it to other DAWS. For me, Reaper is by far the BEST DAW.
I remember being impressed by protools back in the day, but that has now turned into surprise mostly. They must know that they're at their end? Don't they? Why are they STILL asking such a grand price for their software? How much longer will they be able to keep that up?
I would like to hear you talk about what you think about reaper vs cubase. And i'm not talking about price; which is obvious. But about workflow.
Reaper is all I've used so I can't criticise other DAWs, I don't know them. Why Reaper? Well it had a decent free fully functional trial period, and then a low cost licence. Simple as that, the cost made the decision for me. But I must say it's very powerful and after using it for a couple of years I've still barely scratched the surface. I'm excited to learn more tips, tricks and techniques so I can make better sounding rock music.
I use both Cubase and Pro Tools. Each does something better than the other but I started with Cubase because it is cheaper and more stable with fewer crashes. newer PT seems to be ok so far. I usually use Cubase for the HUGE number of free virtual instruments and samples.
So true! It felt so limiting to use and nothing could really be achieved with PT barring mixing prerecorded audio. Just out of interest I picked up a manual for PTools in Waterstones to see what had evolved since I last used this DAW. I was shocked to see they are recirculating the same virtual instruments as they used the prior 10 years. Switching to logic was definitely a no brainier
I agree with all the things you said. But I was an early adopter of Reaper, and at the time, it just was not there. Reaper was "all over the place" I hear it's great now. I have been on just about every DAW, and where Pro Tools shines, is in it's limitations. If that makes sense. PT is a basic meat and potatoes DAW and that's what I like about it. From my experience having slick new features tend to bogg the process down. A cool new feature is a giant waste of time if it's half-baked, and not going to be further developed. What PT lacks in features, it makes up for in precision and ease of use.
Just stay on the version you do like. I use both 10 and 11 for years now and will prob still ise it many years to come. Pro tools feels just right.
why did you go to reaper from cubase?
I moved back in 2008, when Cuba’s was more limited in terms of workflow. At first I was just curious, but after a while found that the workflow and all the possibilities in Reaper made it far faster to get results from (which is all that really matters in the end)
@@adamsteelproducer hey! wow thanks for quick reply! been a PT user for many years, still love working with audio in PT, but midi/synths/sample libraries etc., not so much love. So was looking for another daw, cubase/logic/ableton.. usual suspects. will try out reaper too!
No problem! I use the RUclips studio app on my phone which pings me when comments come in- so why not respond whilst I’ve got a second? Things get forgotten about otherwise. PT isn’t so bad really, but for me Reaper is the most efficient daw out there right now :)
I just got pro tools and I can't even record 3 guitar with the eleven guitar amp plugin because it crashes my CPU im so disappointed
There is something wrong with your setup. Even the cheapest last gen Mac will run 24 + tracks with Eleven. If you are on a PC there are tons of things that can cause compatibility problems. Make sure you have an OK soundcard, your computer is qualified to run Pro Tools ( check on Avid website ) and it is installed correctly.
It certainly isn't the program limiting the track count.
I use Cubase 10 and have since Pro 24, but Pro-Tools would still be my go to DAW if I need to record a band on multiple tracks, or if digital editing a 2-Track. There are many advantages for Media guys too with OMF and synchronisation options.
Ableton, Logic and FL work nice on a laptop also.
Never used Studio One or Reaper, but colleagues who use them speak well.
Bottom line is, use the DAW that suits the job you are doing as certain DAWs have features the others don't.
Good luck sorting out your system.
I'm totally new to all of this. Your video reaffirms my understanding
Pro Tools (PT) is outdated and outmoded by newer, better, *CHEAPER* programs.
Hell, just before watching this video, I was looking at PT on wikipedia. It's like a $600 subscription. Idk how long that subscription is but even at a year long subscription, fuck that.
I bought a cheap interface for $100 and my local guitar shop recommended Studio One 4 Prime.
Well, I discovered that Prime doesn't support plugins or loops.
So, I learned that Studio One 5 Artist is a one time fee of $100. *OR* buy the Presonus Audiobox iTWO for $160 and get Studio One 5 Artist for free when I register the interface.
So, I got trade in value for my old, mint condition interface
I also got an SM57 and a 20 foot pig hog XLR, and paid $220 plus tax.
I now have 2 mics, 2 20' XLR cables, 2 mic stands, a solid beginner's audio interface, and a kickass DAW all for less money than *ONE* year of PT, and I own it all for life. I think I'm doing alright over here.
And now you're *essentially* telling me that PT is slow, glitchy, outdated, limited, takes up a shit ton of storage space on the host computer, and wildly overpriced.
- Do I have all of this correct?
I'm the newest n00b there ever was and even I can see PT sucks.
Is there any benefit to running PT? Other than running your mouth about how you use it?
Digging the Commodore shirt.
Inb4 you've been running 32-bit Pro Tools and not utilising CPU.
(Kidding, just jumped to Reaper the other week, glad I did.)
I was a long time Sonar user (look it up), and moved to Reaper, recently. You have no idea how much more reliable, and responsive Reaper is in comparison to the bloatware that is Sonar.
Great video! But one thing. You said Ableton is more for Electro music. Maybe Ableton is better at EDM, but it doesn't mean it is worse at any other genre or recording. Tell me what Reaper have / can and Ableton don't have /can't do
i've used a few and what I think He means is that Albeton is more geared for EDM. Doesn't mean it's bad for anything else. It's just that it's not a fair comparison for Ableton when it has other strengths.
Yeah I didn’t say that anything is impossible in one or the other, there’s no need to get defensive. Their layout and workflow are just geared towards very different methods which suit different genres better
I was gonna intern at a studio but I can't now cos I'm not willing to use Pro Trash. I don't understand why Logic can't be used instead.
Wrong attitude my dude. I’m not a fan of PT in any way, but if you’ve got a means to learn how to work in a studio, the DAW is just a vehicle for the rest of the work and a good way to learn lessons.
Every skill you would learn in PT would translate over to logic.
I’m a big reaper fan, but whenever I’m in someone else’s studio I have to use what they’ve got installed, so having experience of other DAWs is a big plus as I can just jump into the chair when needed
@@adamsteelproducer Yeah you're right. I'm going through tutorials now to try to learn it. What irritates me is that my skills in Logic allowed me to open other daws like Cubase or Ableton Live and make tracks straight away, but pro tools takes more effort. Guess I need to learn the shortcut keys.
I agree with you about Pro Tools, and I don't use it as much. I am now a Studio One Professional (v4) owner, but I will check out Reaper when I get a chance. I like your presentation, good job : ).
I am not really sure what you meant when you were speaking about Reason...
Can you clarify your views?