Scary Rigging Report! (How much will this cost us?!)
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We decided to get some experts to take a look at our rigging, seeing as it holds our mast up and is vital equipment. We got a report back from Advanced Rigging and it's safe to say that we're slightly concerned with some of their findings and so we need to find out exactly how bad it is?!
Find out 'live' with us!
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So there’s Dom cooking dinners for a pound and carley is like “let’s just replace all the rigging” 😂 your videos do bring a smile to my face
Ha ha, tell me about it 😂
To be fair Carly is generally the better out of the two of us with watching the pennies, but when it comes to feeling safe, she's very real to shell out. some cash 😆
Costs would be way more interesting than pancakes and fancy shots. you know that's what you would want from a video like yours
What would you like to know the cost of?
@@CadohaAdventures look at the title of the video
@@mralanvideo I meant is there anything specific you want to know? We're waiting now for a quote for a few bits of specific work on the rigging, but a full replacement was quoted at £2500. 😊
new to the channel and still catching up. You two are wonderful and a blessed viewing for an old man. Im not a sailor, a small motor boater. Your lives and safety are paramount to me. I consider you family and love your adventures. I also worked all my life and know the value of a dollar. Shop wisely, but NEVER pinch a penny where your lives will be in the balance. Best wishes and prayers. Don and Terri
Good news on this! You are so smart to check the rigging thoroughly.
It seemed like a sensible thing to do, it's pretty important kit and we don't honestly know what we're looking at, apart from really obvious breaks in the wire-rope etc.
I am really enjoying the daily videos. Brings back memories of refitting my Westsail 32. Comfort in knowing your boat when "out there". That ocean is a really big place. One small thing. I spent (if I recall correctly) about 6 nights in the O.R. Finger repairs take hours and hours done correctly. Amputations don't take so long. Please look up "de glove injury". Rings on sailboats are not my fav. Sailboats on the water are unstable and unpredictable so falls are common. Catching a ring on a corner cabinet inside or a small broken stay wire outside will stop a person falling rather rapidly......and NOT in a good way. Even at the dock it can happen. Most just don't think it will happen to them and you would be surprised how often it happens. It is really bad when it involves a thumb. Being the only opposing digit. Makes the four fingers much less useful. Look at the pictures and think about being way out there, days away from port.
So you're saying wedding rings would be a bad idea? ;)
@@CadohaAdventures good luck pitching that story as your way out of buying a ring
@@CadohaAdventures They are not needed alone on the boat, in severe weather. It can lead to severe injuries.
Phew!? what a relief eh??? good thinking to have it checked out.
Yeah, firstly it turns out it wasn't as bad as it sounded on paper, but then having it all replaced also wasn't as horrific as I imagined it'd be.
To be fair, the only thing I was going off was an old Delos video where they had a quote for 20k to replace all their standing rigging.
Although I appreciate their boat is much bigger than 38ft and has more sails, even so, I was thinking perhaps we'd be half that price.
Turns out it's only a couple of grand, which seems worth the peace of mind.
Quite pleasing, even though a second opinion would be more necessary if you where about to cross the Atlantic now. Since you're going to the Med and through the canals it's not current situation. The only wire related stuff that looks a bit sketchy are where strands are broken, not the dented parts. But as said, postpone worries until you're about to do an ocean crossing, if you don't get an offer now you can't resist.
There's a lot we can do ourselves which is nice, and we're getting a quote to fix a few of the more pressing issues. We'll see where that quote comes in at and then decide if we just simply replace everything and have 100% confidence in our system.
It’s a warrior 38 ! What a fabulous craft!
We think so too, Chris 😁
Hi guys a few thoughts for you that we hope will help.....? Running rigging. (soft rigging like your halyards) you can do yourselves. Very quick, very easy. You just need to learn how to end splice or draw a new line in. We do this every year on our halyards over winter. Replacing with mouseing lines and drawing new/old lines in every spring. The UV in the Med is so much stronger and the red dust from the Sahara is abrasive so it makes sense to protect your lines/halyards. The goose neck: Go for teflon washers. Nylon will degrade very quickly in the UV. Teflon also has a low friction coefficient. (its slippery) and is more UV resistant. The standing rigging; Any strand that is damaged or misshapen needs to be replaced. You can lose up to 30% of the strength with what appears to be just one strand damaged or broken as Stainless Steel has properties that make it stretch under load and work harden (become brittle).
In particular the swaged ends where micro cracks only visible by dye testing can occur. These are prone to failure before the SS wire..... It's not a bad rigging survey, and you have some good pointers.However, we would want to look a the causes of the issues highlighted. IE why has this happened and what do we do to prevent it in the future? Just loving your channel and we hope our comments help or give prospective. They are certainly not critical in any way. Sail Safe guys. Ant, Cid and the pooch crew.
Really appreciate the insights there and think we will be working closely (bugging the life out of the riggers 😬) whilst we get the work done to better understand (as you day) the causal issues.
Half of it I feel super happy to do ourselves, but some parts of it I'll have much more peace of mind with the pros going in.
So do you change absolutely all of your running rigging each year? Or do you simply wash and reuse it until it starts chaffing, and then perhaps cut the halyards down, below the damaged areas and use them as outhauls/ reefing lines etc?
@@CadohaAdventures Hi guys. We remove as much running rigging as we can over the winter in the Med . We use mouse lines to re install the lines in the spring. We try to wash or even launder the lines as we can. Putting them in a washing machine if we can get away with it .. 5 years from new we have only to change the topping lift and the jib furling line this year. The topping lift is our lifter for the passerelle . (gang plank) We have to lift it 3-4-5 times a day as the pooches will try to escape and Oscar does not like any one that hangs around. He's a terrier , and you cant predict what he's going to do next. So the line is pretty worn at the winch end. The jib furling line has a nick in it. As this stops the Jib unfurling in a blow. It a must do ..... Hope this helps. Sail Safe guys. Ant, Cid and the pooch crew.
If you have the money change all wire stays, with confidence in your rig you will sail further and with less stress. The equation is not how much longer you can make you rig last, it’s how much more relaxed you’ll be knowing it’s done.
It'll be nice to see everything out right and be all shiny and new, no doubt the old insurance company will be happy about that too 😂
At least you'll have peace of mind if you get it all replaced in one hit.
I'm pretty cautious about maintenance items. That being said, I would definitely replace the standing rigging. If something breaks, it is likely to be in high seas and stiff winds. That is a bad time to have a mast in the water. (Voice of experience.... lousy experience, but a good story.)
If you are going to have your mast raised in the med, maybe find a shop down there? Might save you some pounds to do it all at once.
We were thinking of getting everything replaced and tensioned correctly here, then marking it all up to take it down and rebuild it ourselves in the Med? This is of course just thinking out loud here :)
Glad its not as bad as first thought, oh and when Hank howled the Dalmatian I am pet sitting went scatty :) Ps loving these short vlogs :)
It's funny you know, as when we play it back (the howling) Hank perks right up to see what's going on, ha ha! :)
Great news!
Yes we're super happy that there's only a couple of small things which are urgent and even the full rig change wasn't as bananas as we imagined 😬👌🏻
I really like your channel... I am even beginning to think that is is better than SLV......!
BUT.... I am also contemplating a 1980s boat purchase and would love to know how much what you have chosen to repair/replace would cost!
Imo, I d be looking to change out all the standing rigging and probably the chain plates ........are they accessible or reported on.
I d also change out the running rigging which is something you guys can do
We've taken the chain plates off to check them for any stress cracks and given them a clean and they all look good. We bought new stainless bolts for them.
Think you're right though and we're likely going to change the standing and running rigging 👌🏻
If you don't attach a go pro to hanks collar and have dogvlogs. Well, you're just wasting everyone's time. 😂 keep up the good work.
Note to self 'put your best striker up front, Son!'
Your pancake slot looked like an M&S advert! X
Perhaps M&S can sponsor our rigging replacement in return for a bit of product placement, ha ha. C'mon Marks, you know you want to!
@@CadohaAdventures food for thought eh 😃
Good choice 👍🙂
We think it makes sense too, takes one more thing to worry about away!
Nice video
i look so forward to your vid's,you are my new favorites,plus your british
Glad to hear it, Walter :)
glad that was not too expensive ,, tho ( i would think ) broken wires and flat spot should be replaced right away ,,,,,,,,,,,, ( oh btw ,, engine managment , esp and another warning light on the dash !!! )
Shhhhhhhhhhh, Roddy, errrrr, they just came on, like earlier today 😂
Looks like rigging is good for a couple of years, so, unless you are going to do serious offshore cruising, maybe wait and save up?
We've had a quote for a total replacement, but we're also getting a quote for the few bits that were classed as 'vital replacements' and so I think we will wait to see where that quotes at and decide the best way forward from there.
@@CadohaAdventures Sound thinking.
Nothing in what I saw would cause me huge concern. It may be more an issue for your insurers if they saw the report and insisted on certain things being done, mainly the wire rigging. Halyards you can do yourself, learn to splice and to do some whipping. End of reels rope on eBay you can get for a bargain so don’t pay silly money for rope from a chandlers in Hamble. You don’t need fancy Dyneema or anything. Wire for the vang should be pretty cheap to replace. Take whole vang off and take to rigger to sort. I bet the inner forestay was pulled back against the mast and caused the chafe up top and it was bent at the bottom causing the flat spot. I would get your chainplates checked over if you can see them and maybe red bed those cover plates where they go through the deck with new butyl tape to stop leaks. Can you share your pancake recipe as it looked yummy and probably better than the mix I bought from Sainsbury’s.... Andy UK
Phew! but at least you got your priorities right. Pancakes first. We cheatedand had Scotch Pancakes, with Banana and Blackcurrant Jam.a
They actually sound really good :)
Try Pav @ Rigit in Southampton will be much cheaper used him for a full rig replacement two years ago ...... having been through a dismasting the insurance company doesn’t pay for new for old they say there is a betterment value and you end up having to pay a huge lump my thoughts it’s no good in bank when your out at sea ...... malc
Appreciate the heads up, although we were pleased with the quote we had for a total replacement, I also don't have much else to go by either.
@@CadohaAdventures great peace of mind having new, professionally installed standing rigging.... that will help with the "pucker factor" when the wind is pumping through at 30 knots or more!
Daniel Oliver the peace of mind would likely go a long way for sure!
Just had rigging replaced by advanced rigging, following their report. Found them good and professional although I was surprised they didn’t use a tension gage. Hopefully get out for test sail in next couple of weeks
John Douglas funny you say that, I actually asked them if they'd show me how to use it when they fitted it, and they said the same to me!
Guy really took his time to go through everything and seemed to know his stuff, he's been doing it over 30yrs I guess so must be doing something right?! 😬
Depending on how old the rigging is you may want to change it out.
That's also where our heads at too :)
Before buying CREO why didn't you have a proper survey done? They would have inspected everything and made out a detailed report.
There were a few reasons. Firstly we had access to the survey they had done, which was less than year old. Second, they had the boat wintered up in Peterhead, which was a massive pain to get taken out of the water for a survey and would of involved getting someone to come up with a crane etc. Thirdly, we had all of the videos they made which gave us even more of an insight into the boat so overall we figured we had enough information to make a reasoned assessment on the boat.
Sailing Cadoha A purchase survey would not be as good or thorough as a a rig survey anyway. I assume the riggers didn’t go up the mast as they don’t usually when on the hard. Might be some issues up top but most likely sheaves need pulling and lubricating and checking for any cracks on the mast crane or wire blocks are attached. Andy UK
Gotta tell you two, uh three (I forgot Hank), I'm enjoying the hell outta these daily vlogs.
Glad to hear it, Rory. Just thought it was something a little different :)
if you can find 2 or 3 friends out there, you can change the rigging yourself. after all delos did it and they aren't exactly clever :-)) or maybe contact the riging doctor. another YT channel out around portugal way.
I'm happy to admit being a dumb ape with most things sailing related so am happy to watch some seasoned pros take care of this job.
Delos saved thousands by doing it themselves, but in our case it's only a couple of grand to do the entire job period. 🙏🏻👌🏻
@@CadohaAdventures oh you scardey cat :-)
All I want to know is if that was real maple syrup or corn syrup (asking for Hank) 🇨🇦
Only ever real Maple syrup!
Sailboats dont sail well without a rig , %5 - %10 cost of boat for safety & wellbeing , It's worth it . Then 10 to 15 years peace of mind & you never know when you might have to beat off a lee shore in a storm THATS when youll be happy to know your rig is up to it.
Rigging looks fine. Get a second opinion. Fix it when it fails. That's how it generally works?
Hi I still have another boat at HPM and a storage unit there and inside I have a drum of 10 / 12 mm braid on braid happy to let you have as much as you need for replacing some halyards F.O.C ....... if you interested PM your number regards malc
That's really kind of you, thanks for that! :) :)
You had me at " pancakes"......then lost me with fruit and creme. This is about pancakes.....pancakes need maple..straight out of some tree..Pancakes DEMAND maple syrup. Jst sayin....😔 Other than that...Enjoyed the video !!
Peter, this is Dominic, you, Sir, speak the truth!!!!
@@CadohaAdventures yea...fruit is for flies in the pancake world....
Hi, love your videos but your bubble cap with real fur is a no go..... fail to understand why people who love dogs buy such a creepy product....