Building an Affordable Dolby Atmos Room with Kali Audio
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What is Dolby Atmos?
Dolby Atmos goes beyond the ordinary listening experience and puts you inside the song in a new spatial way, revealing every detail of the music with unparalleled clarity and depth.
How does Dolby Atmos work?
It starts with the artist. Dolby Atmos technology lets them place each voice, instrument, or sound in its own space. Wherever you hear it, you're in the center.
Dolby Atmos is amazing new technology that really allows listeners, producers, mixers, and more experience music like never before. The only problem? It can definitely get very expensive to set up.
Today, along with our friends from Kali Audio, we are taking you through how you can create your own Dolby Atmos room on a budget!
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What do YOU think of Dolby Atmos? Comment your thoughts below! Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
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4 me Stereo
Sounds interesting, would love to mix and listen to all those speakers set up like that, probably sounds incredible!
i'm indifferent personally
Withholding judgement until I hear it IRL. (I’m sure you’d understand)
I think this is Natural Progression for Music recording and Production, as stated in the video by Kali you can always reverse engineer it back to the Stereo mix if thats what the client wants.. I Love the Immersive nature of the sound produced as it adds more interest and options. Nice work Warren & Kali.
Was really hoping they would also provide feedback on the audio interface being used and monitor controller etc
Hey man, is it possible to set up a Dolby Atmos studio with just an audio interface and not a monitor controller
I think it’s a AVID Pro Tools MTRX studio
@@SoLoudAudio it's not a good idea. It's really hard to set the subwoofer level.
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I don’t know that Atmos comes across on RUclips but the sound was super crisp and full. Warren, can you call my wife and tell her this will change how we listen to music for me, brother. Lol. Actually, for setting up a room to listen to music, under $6k is a great price, now I know what I want for the next few Christmas and birthdays. Great video, as always. Thanks.
Haha might have to charge a premium to sell Atmos to your wife! Yes, 6k is a pretty amazing price!
@@Producelikeapro hell yeah you could. If you can convince wives to let husbands shell that money for a cool music room… premium all day!!! Lol.
@@ericcarpenter3263 haha indeed!
The music was added in Post (sync).
I watched this in my truck while waiting for a dock assignment. The panning and stereo separation really translated in my stereo system. Listening to “Rocketman” in this manner was so beautiful. The clarity of the space and the depth was truly moving. Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks ever so much John! You Rock!
This video comes JUST in time.
I’m building my Atmos room for 2022 with Kalis. Thank you my friend
That's amazing Diego!
5:58 The sound of youtube demonitixztion was so incredibly clear...
Fantastic!!
this is such a brilliant idea doing this video out of all the million speaker possibilities out there - one thing I fail to understand is how do you actually connect 7.1.4 to your soundcard and daw? and also what is the best way to mix? obviously, you can't go too crazy with placements considering the fact that most of the world still listens in stereo...there is so much ground to cover with Atmos but Warren just nailed it with this one, and hopefully you read this and help us incorporate this epic 7.1.4 wonder into a setup that actually works :-) including the connectivity and the correct mindset when mixing in such an environment.
I know on Cubase Pro you set it up on your outputs.
They give you a few options on how you want your Output Bus to be. I just discovered that last week. I am really interested into getting into this.
Next please build an adorable Dolby Atmos room.
Do you not find Charles suitably adorkable?
Stunning 3D depth to mixes. The panning options are stunning.
Agreed 100% Paul!
@@Producelikeapro ive heard some beatles mixed on my genelec 1030 5:1 set up and it blew me away... The extra panning options allows for less eq as the stereo field is no longer fighting for headroom. Mama mia the options. 😉😉
@@paulbruce4630 Yes! Quite amazing indeed!
Exciting times. Atmos has opened up a whole new world. Can't say enough good things about Kali either. Impossible to beat in the price range for boxes that actually translate well in the real world. 💚✌😎
Thanks warren.. Top content 👏
Yes, very exciting time indeed Peter!
Logic Pro 10.7 was released yesterday and has native support for Atmos 🙌 Aside from the MTRX there is Yamaha PCIe 128 channel Dante and MPB1, Nuage I/O.. Or Focusrite 128 PCIe and RedNet, or either of the PCIe cards and Tascam ML-32D. Lots of options. With the Kali monitors it’s a no brainer low cost alternative 👌
That’s amazing to hear Mark!!
Love the moment the two guys are sitting on the couch listening to rocket man. Such a moment!
Warren, it would really awesome if you went into detail regarding all the other components of an Atmos system. Like interfaces, monitoring systems etc.
Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
@@Producelikeapro thanks!
I only have two but that’s all i need 😎 the second wave IN-8s are really great monitors
All I can say is... What I wouldn't give... This is amazing. One day. Mark my words, Warren. One day.
Thanks ever so much Bobby!
Nice. The Kali IN-8's would have to be unrivalled for the money.
I have to say though, that room did sound excessively live when you guys were talking.
Glad this channel was recommended. The price for this setup affordable
Thanks ever so much
Listening to this on my Kali's ha. I've been a home theatre junkie for years with atmos/dtsx and I hope more people make the move past "it's just a gimmick" etc like they did with 4K, it's insane the difference it makes. There's enough content ou there these days also.
Almost got Kalis!
I was very skeptical of them until I saw your videos. Alas I went with another brand, but the studio is expanding so…
Thanks for putting them on my radar.
That’s funny I finally grabbed a pair of the kali - In 5 and man they’re awesome speakers! Kali monitors! 🤘
Great to hear Ivan!
@@Producelikeapro Thanks warren! I’ve wanted these for awhile! It was worth the wait! ✊
@@ivanidea4027 fantastic!!
man just listening on my two kalis to you guys listening to the atmos is amazing in itself. now i want more kalis but I'm broke!
I love ATMOS music, it's a shame that most people don't have a true ATMOS home theater to experience it with.
I'm right there with you. It really feels and sounds like listening to the future.
@@kaliaudio btw speaking of the future, why are we still using passive speakers, powered monitors for theses massive multi channel set ups seem so much more practical, considering a Atmos set up could theoretically support 32 speakers.
@@Edward135i a lot of people like to use passive speakers because it means that the amplification and control is all in one place, instead of distributed throughout the room. So if you want to make global adjustments or if something goes wrong, you don't need to get on a ladder 4 times to trouble shoot.
Also a practical consideration: a union electrician in LA charges $700 to install a power outlet. So it can get pricey if you need to add power outlets for hard-to-reach speakers.
@@kaliaudio Luckily for me I don't live in LA 😂. I have a 11.2 system running off of a Denon x4700h with a monoprice 2ch amp and the AVR gets really hot, I'm just thinking about how they can't really put anymore amps in these AVR's I'm sure Denon is working on a 16ch beast and it's probably going to need two power cords and weight 100lbs and be the size of two AVR's stacked on top of each other. separating the amps and having active crossovers on all of the speakers, just makes a lot of since to me.
After hearing the plethora of Atmos setups at NAMM I’ve officially caught the bug. Planning to see how much of an investment a system like this (+SoundID multichannel, more converters, etc.) would be and hoping to put it together a rig for Atmos music and post production
Oh wow, Kali safes the day haha that's amazing that Atmos can be affordable as well! :)
Haha indeed
nice.... the in8's are the best thing to happen in my studio in 20 years....i so would love to mix in that room
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This is amazing. Would love to know more about the connectivity and routing in this setup.
We're running eveything into a Yamaha receiver and then up to a matrix for processing. In the process of setting up protools to use this as a mix room. Right now we're just doing demos via an apple TV.
Also curious about this. I'm currently mixing in 7.1 and that's pretty simple to setup with a normal receiver with either analog 7.1 or even HDMI. But once you want to go beyond that 8 channels of audio, the routing becomes more difficult. I also really would love to start to mix in an immersive object based setup, but if possible keep it in a way that I can use the setup multipurpose and can also just playback from my android tv box and 4K blu-ray player over HDMI.
@@kaliaudio that explains a lot actually. Can you document that process for us nerds over here?
@@kaliaudio You got me close to run to a store and buy this exact setup :) I would really like to know how you setup that you can mix on this system and also listen to streaming music in dolby atmos because this is not easy to find out how to do. How do you get out of an yamaha receiver to active speakers and how can i use a driver to get out of my daw to the yamaha amp? it would be great if you'd make a youtube video on that subject. maybe on kali's youtube channel? thanks!
@@kaliaudio I would love to see a list of the equipment you have for this set up. I am very close to wanting to set this up myself and Kali looks like the way
I'm curious to know what is the system used to hold the monitor overhead. Does Kali audio recommend something ?
Good lord that Rocket Man mix took me by surprise it was so flawless and clear
I think atmos/auro3d/spatial audio is really neat. I do take issue with the fact that currently there isn't a project studio/budget friendly way of decoding atmos music for mix referencing. It seems that for mix referencing the only way to do it is through an AV receiver/processor. I understand Dolby has to license their technology to be able to make money and stay in business. It seems rather redundant to have to buy another brain box just to be able to play back music. Lots of us who are interested already have fully capable computers and audio interfaces with enough channels to support many speakers. Not to mention the quality of the converters in those interfaces vs. the converters in a AV receiver. The atmos mixing plug in suite is fairly affordable for the amount of capabilities it has. I just do not understand why pros/semi pros, even hobbyists can not decode atmos streams on a Mac/Windows machine.
+1
What is the speaker signal router used? Cant mix rock & roll in "Dobley" Ha ha... (from spinal tap, kids)
Right now we're just running playback from an Apple TV using a mix of Apple Music and Tidal. We run into a Yamaha receiver, which decodes the stream. Then we're running back up into a MTRX for processing.
@@kaliaudiowhat is the type of yamaha reciever?
@@jagasvara I believe it is an Adventage RX3500.
I like it!
Thank you for continuing to explore Atmos for us small studio owners! I'm stoked about it, but I still have so many questions. This speaker setup looks perfect for what I want to do. I record and mix in Nuendo, which has the Atmos Renderer built in. I've seen Nuendo with Atmos being used for video production, but I've yet to see audio people using it for Atmos mixing. Can one of the consumer systems like the Echo be used for mixing in Atmos? How does everything connect? What does the MTRX actually do for the price? Again, thanks for doing this!
Hey Leo,
Can't speak to using something like the Echo for mixing, but here's what we're doing: right now we're just running playback from an Apple TV using a mix of Apple Music and Tidal. We run into a Yamaha receiver, which decodes the stream. Then we're running back up into a MTRX for processing.
The MTRX allows us to time align all the speakers, and apply room-based correction. It works okay, but for the price I don't love it. There are cheaper ways to do this processing like a MiniDSP. Also the routing is patently terrible. You can only assign one output to any input and vice versa, so if you wanted to split the stream you're SOL. Also the documentation and customer support is similarly terrible. A huge part of my job is writing user-facing documentation for audio gear, and I am aghast at how bad all of that is for the MTRX.
@@kaliaudio Do you know if there is a receiver that decodes Atmos (from TV, Tidal, Blu-ray, etc.) and outputs all twelve channels of 7.1.4 as line-level outputs? (without costing $2K)
@@Leo.Brodie the Yamaha doesn't cost $2k because it costs $5k. :(
Unfortunately there is not a budget way to do this yet.
I have one black Kali and one white, so at this point Warren, I'd be happy with two black matched Kalis :) Atmos is neat, though.
Hi Warren, great video, one day when i have the budget i would love to have the ability to mix and listen in Dolby Atmos, one day.......Have a great day, all the best.
Thanks ever so much Darren!
can you please tell which audio interface is use to built this Atmos setup>
Wonderfull !!! What's the crossover frequency between the main speakers and subs?? Same as the nominal 80hz ?
Jacob's track was mixed and mastered with LP-6's?! Awesome!!!
Yes! Amazing
Very cool...thanks for making this video...I'm in the process of building out a 7.1.4 mix room here in Nashville....any updates on your earlier design? "DIY solutions that bring it down to the $2k range and don't involve Avid outboard gear". Thank you!!
You're very welcome! Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
Big thank you for the demo. Especially for playing Rocket Man. I looked up the amazing bassist Dee Murray. He went on to play with many great song-writers. Dolby Atmos perfect of course for Cinema presentation or home theater. Lots of those going into homes these days. This Kali rig is quite amazing. I wonder if Netflix is broadcasting in Atmos?
Hey Warren, Nearly Friday, are you feeling suitably marvellous?
Well, I'm a hop-skip-and-a-divorce away from building an Atmos room!! 😂👍
It may just be my imagination or wishful thinking... but that sounded awesome even through my paltry set up?!?
Big, wide and full of clarity... am I fooling myself? 🍷😎👍
There are quite a number of people who are building Atmos Rooms with affordable speakers!
@@Producelikeapro Hahaaa... I wish!! Maybe I should master the stereo before I get too ambitious... and busted!! 😂👍
@@nigelbentonakauapoap3691 haha I hear you!
alright, how did they secure the height channels?
Hey everyone.... is how is the playback made possible through the speakers? ie, How is the DA conversion is done?
And also, Does anyone knows where Can I get any Demo Atmos Music Mix sessions for referencing?
Would anyone know if the avid mbox studio would be enough to complete a 7.1.4 atmos setup far as interfaces goes and cost?
How do you go from a Yamaha Receiver to active speakers, what kind of inter face do you use to connect the TRS cable ?
Would that be possible to know which atmos processor ans Subs were being used ? Thxs
Right now we're just running playback from an Apple TV using a mix of Apple Music and Tidal. We run into a Yamaha receiver, which decodes the stream. Then we're running back up into a MTRX for processing. We're using 2 x WS-12s positioned in the room to cancel modes at the listening position.
All my clients would be looking for a stereo mix. I love Kali, and actually plan on buying their In-8s V2 3 way monitors, but this is really not for the main stream out there. Love Kali however...All the best.
Phil
NYC Area
I'm just trying to help people here (Dolby have nothing to do with these videos). Every major Mixer I know is building at Atmos Room, the HUGE amount of work out there as EVERY Label is remixing in Immersive, all TV companies (Netflix is requiring all the music in their shows is turned in in Immersive), so there is tons of work! Just helping get the word out, nothing to gain except to help educate!
@@Producelikeapro If your mixing to that market, I definitely get your point Warren. One additional point also...
The reason I am actually interested in the Kali In-8 monitors is because of reviews on your channel...All the best to you and Kali...
Phil
NYC Area
@@uptownphotography Thanks! Glad you enjoy the Kali's! The IN[8's are wonderful! I suppose if a band or an artist don't want their music to be licensed (often there isn't time for the track to be remixed, they just need to know they have it available) to Netflix etc that it's not going to be an issue. The reality is Apple, Tidal, Spotify etc are and are going to push the spatial options, again just trying to help people!
@@Producelikeapro You're helping for sure Warren!....(On many levels)
Could you please now help me find my 1969 Black Beauty Les Paul Custom that I should have never sold in the late 90s. Hindsight is Always 20/20....
Phil
NYC Area
@@uptownphotography I hear you! I have many of those guitars! Too many that I shouldn't have sold!
That's cool, but what kind of Atmos processor is used here?
Right now we're just running playback from an Apple TV using a mix of Apple Music and Tidal. We run into a Yamaha receiver, which decodes the stream. Then we're running back up into a MTRX for processing.
@@kaliaudio thanks!
How the sound on this recorded ?
what reciever or interface is used to push out to each of these active speakers???
On the tiesto song you have to have bass management on to get the full effect and a full bottom end.
What brackets are they using for the ceiling speakers to be mounted?
If you’re doing anything for tv, film or video games it’s necessary, for music it’s going to take years more before it’s adopted mainstream but if you can afford to jump on now I personally think people should.
It is already adopted for music, labels are requiring the Immersive/Atmos mix as Netflix etc requite the mixes to be done this way. It's pretty huge and I'm just trying to help people, no connection to Dolby, I'm just informing people. Many thanks, Warren
Plus of course Today, Apple spatial etc, etc
@@Producelikeapro like I said for tv work etc it’s necessary to be doing it right now, for band work you’ll still get away with stereo and 5.1 for now but atmos will be the future so eventually you’ll need to be set up for it.
Great video as usual! What was the interface they were using for playback?
That is a fantastic topic and video. Thank you for sharing your expertise! What can you advise the most compact speakers to play back Atmos mix? Can a compact speaker like QSC AD-S.SAT or Meyer MM-4XPD work for it?
I would love to know more about using a second sub for managing lows in a small room. I guess that is what active bass traps do - but they cost a lot - would be amazing to have a resource on how it can be done with a second(third?) sub....
Awesome ... Can we use the same Kali LP6 monitor for atmos mixing 7.1.4 setup
Yes! Many have
Might have missed it, but did you mention what the Kali folks were using for a monitor controller?
We're using a Yamaha receiver to decode the stream via HDMI, and then running that into a MTRX for DSP. Gain staging is managed between those two units.
Thanks for the info!
that sounded goood
Thanks ever so much David!
But is it better than Quadrophonic? Immersion is always startling and exhilarating,. But, IMHO, it was still best when sitting on your amp in a garage, in mono, inside a standing wave. For those of us with imperfect hearing (I can really only hear in one ear, something I share with Brian Wilson, I'm told. I once spent a Canned Heat concert inside a bass bin in the Princeton gym) most of this would probably be lost on me. Mr Mono
On headphones, are we hearing a binaural "mix" of the atmos mix you are hearing in the room?
Yes, it’s the binaural of the the Atmos mix we are hearing
Great video.
Kali Vs Rokit?
What output feeds the speaker channels. And how do you calibrate the atmos to the room?
Very nice!
Thanks Audrey!
wow!! sweet!
Thanks Isaac!
Great! Is there any equalization of the room going on?
Yep! we're applying minor correction to each speaker, as well as time alignment and gain adjustment. There is also a bass buildup that we're EQing out. We do all that in the MTRX
Great question!
@@kaliaudio great answer!
Which desnsity rockwool will be used here ?
How did you attach the speakers to the ceiling? Do Kali make soecif mounts for them?
My room is just a little smaller.
And I am looking for a better system then I am using . I am Using event 2020s now in a 7.1.4 setup.
Will this system read 85 db at the lister in the room you are showing
Thank you
So where are the mics that grabbed the audio in the room & what are they? In my cans it sounds like I purchased an HD version of the track (Rocket Man) even though I know I'm not getting an honest representation of what it was like in the room.
Have been looking at options for an atmos mixing room with 12 to 14 KH120 or baby Genelecs but the price quickly starts to get out of reach. Kali IN8 would make it manageable but I was worried they would be too big for a smaller room - its really exciting to see it can be pulled off in a room that size. Any idea the approx room dimensions of that space? Exciting times!
About 13 feet by 16 feet. The IN-5s are also a perfect solution for smaller spaces.
@@kaliaudio thanks for the reply. That’s pretty much the same room size I’m looking at making work 👌
What is the ceiling height?
@@audio_odyssey 12 feet or so? With the cloud at 9 feet.
@@kaliaudio excellent, thanks!
Okay but. What about the interface? Monitor control? Software? All i got out of this 14 minute video was "hey you can get 11 speakers and 2 subs from kali for $5200". I don't think this was very useful at all.
Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
@@Producelikeapro awesome thanks 👍
My question is how are you playing commercial Atmos tracks through the PT setup? Or are you using an external processor and have repatched the speakers? Looking to play commercial tracks for comparison just like in a stereo situation.
Yes, use Tidal for that
@@Producelikeapro but how are you routing the Tidal signal through the Pro Tools system?
@@dmsaudio It's not possible. You can rip the DD+JOC mp4 from Tidal and play that over hdmi from Windows Dolby Access or Xbox to an Atmos receiver connected to your studio speakers. macOS it's not yet possible to play DD+JOC over HDMI and maintain the heights unless you buy an Apple TV device as for some reason Apple only support Dolby Surround from macOS. You can also play the 5.1 from the ripped DD+JOC out of Pro Tools but loose the overheads the same as playing it over HDMI from macOS.
What are you using for bass management and monitor control?
dude, what interface ?, that is the most important and most expensive unit, that room maybe not Dolby standard but if passes me for mixing netflix film, I'm gonna build heck of this infrastructure
Sorry, as said in the video and under the video there is a cheat sheet sharing all the info.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
ive started doing some research on this especially since david g recently talked about it and pro tools update has dolby atmos included. and like round robin im wondering about hardware. i love the kali speakers i use lp8 now and thier fantastic at the price point. hearing this mixed in dolby atmos on a 2 cahnnel system is still incredible ............now we have to reinvest for the hardware lol.....my wife is gonna kill you lol. great vid tho i hope u can touch on this subject more in future videos
Honestly felt like this was badly titled. Was waiting for the tutorial or info that never came. I skipped right through the songs.
Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
This is really interesting. I'm curious what monitor controls where used to drive the system?
Right now we're just running playback from an Apple TV using a mix of Apple Music and Tidal. We run into a Yamaha receiver, which decodes the stream. Then we're running back up into a MTRX for processing.
do you really need a Marx controller??? with. the new dolby render5.0 is there new options??
How did they mount the overheads? I am setting up an Atmos studio with the same monitors and can't find a solid mounting solution.
All speakers 10inches except the ones in the roof?
Your center channel speaker is too low . ALL of the tweeters MUST BE ( the 7 surrounds ) at the same height
Great video. How were the speakers mounted to the ceiling?
We DIY'd our own ceiling mounts, but we have an official solution coming to market hopefully by the end of the year.
What is the room size ?
I'm having trouble finding a monitor controller besides the Grace at $9,000. 7.4.1
Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
I mean this is cool, but everybody listens to music on earbuds so who is the end user here? Seems like a lot of trouble for nothing.
Mixers are now mixing in Immersive Audio (such as Dolby Atmos) that is heard in binaural (such as Apple spatial etc) in stereo headphones. Kids are using HTC Vive and other such Virtual reality games and listening in Immersive as well. It's a massive growth industry and isn't going anywhere. I have nothing to gain except to help fellow Engineers, Mixers and Producers get into a huge area that can make them increased income.
It's a double whammy really as the tech is already there for movies and streaming in lounges etc, having music medium also only opens the tech more
What about the interface? Do you know what he was using?
Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
What speaker mounts are used for mounting on the ceiling? Or what mounts can be used to mount these speakers to wall? Also curious what stands are used ?
We DIY'd our own ceiling mounts, but we have an official solution coming to market hopefully by the end of the year. For wall mounts, Monoprice makes a very good clamping bracket that doesn't require drilling into the speakers (which we don't recommend) and only costs about $25 for the pair.
For the floor stands, we use the Ultimate Support 36" stand. Runs about $150 for the pair. We have bought ~25 of these for various reasons since starting the company and I can't recommend them enough.
@@kaliaudio thx for the answers. 🙏🏻
@@kaliaudio my exact question about the stands, and then I scrolled through the comments and here's my answer! Thanks so much!!!
Holy cow those ceiling mounted speakers are a bit scary... anyway not a good application for my mobile home :)
A) I was planning Exactly this system for my Atmos upgrade. The Kali IN-8s image incredibly in stereo (plus I need 3-ways). Now with the 2nd wave, which are reported to be dead silent, I’m all in. Read the Dolby specs, don’t remember the exact numbers but they want the low frequency to play flat to a certain frequency, maybe 28hz? And the IN-5s and 8s both reached that number on paper, but… if I recall correctly weren’t measured the same way. Can anyone clarify whether these meet the Dolby spec for a 7.1.4 system.
B) This video was all about playback. What system was used for playback? And more importantly, what is the similarly affordable system for Mixing in Atmos, using these monitors? I know that bar has been lowering over the years from the RMU only days. How would you setup and calibrate a Pro Tools and a Davinci Resolve, Dolby Atmos system today? And can it be “certified”?
Great questions. For A) they do meet the spec. The only question is listening distance in terms of whether to use the 8-inch or 5-inch version. The speakers are in the DAARDT.
B) For playback, we're using a mix of Apple Music and Tidal on an Apple TV. Going out HDMI into a Yamaha receiver, and then going out of that via balanced cables into a MTRX for processing. We're in the process of setting up ProTools for Atmos mixing as well. In that case, we'll go into the MTRX via an HD Native interface on the Digilink cable. The Avid system runs about $10k. It's technically the "right" way to do it, but in the process of setting it up we've discovered some DIY solutions that bring it down to the $2k range and don't involve Avid outboard gear.
@@kaliaudio Fantastic! Please tell us that DIY secret when you're ready.
@@kaliaudio is the DAARDT to download somewhere? I have version 5.3.7 HE and in there are no Kali speakers?
@@nielsjanssen6491 Sorry, I had assumed it would be updated by now and I just checked and saw that it was not. I'll see what I can do to move that along. We publish our 85+20 numbers in the user's manuals for this exact purpose though. There's no marketing fluff there. The numbers are real.
so, you are removing or reducing the room distortion by completely overwhelming it with active drivers..... it does work in clubs and concert venues, why not a living room?!!
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This room also needs carpet or a decent rug
I've been considering doing a Kaili Atmos room but with a mix of IN8s, LP8s, and the ws12. Does anyone know if mixing the speakers makes much of a diffence in atmos?
We tune all of our speakers to the same neutral response. So it wouldn't be an invalid setup to mix speakers as you've said. Just keep pairs matched at all times. Also keep in mind that MOST of the information is coming from the L, C, and R speakers, so if you're spending the extra money on IN-8s, those are the channels to spend it on.
Thanks…..It is fine with speakers…… But what about the rest….. Now I have the speakers…. What Then ??
FYI, $5200 is not "affordable" for most of us.
Every video on Atmos never shows how to physically connect the damn speakers to the system.
Please check out the free cheat sheet that's mentioned in the video and listed underneath to see if it answers your questions. Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
Can you guys please stop trying to impress us with how many speakers your using and the price, manufacture, feelings,room position and nonsense. What’s the signal path? what are the speakers plugged into? What interface supports the speaker set up? What’s the connectivity usb, coaxial, traditional wire, wireless, are the speakers in the console what mixing console are we using? Give us some real information and stop Spec Flexing Thank You. Because at the end of the day, what I do know is with LogicX I don’t need any of those speakers. All of the work is done in box I can throw on some Apple AirPod pros and get the same effect
Hi there, thanks for taking the time to comment. A little confused, you don't want to use the speakers, however you want to know more than the video and cheat sheet containing the info? The cheatsheet is downloadable for free without needing to give your email address etc.
Here it is again:- producelikeapro.com/what-do-i-need-to-create-in-atmos-cheatsheet
Pretty funny (or frustrating) to watch two dudes, heads bobbing & nodding in approval at something that by definition can't really be heard nor experienced via RUclips.
The very aggressive push of Atmos by Dolby or whoever represents them is incredibly obvious, lately, across several of these RUclips audio orientend channels - and that always raises an eyebrow.
So do the many concessions made in this room and video: most acousticians would get scabies at the thought of this many speakers & subs in such a small room with this kind of clearly insiufficient treatment - and not many optimists would seriously believe that people, mostly unwilling to pay the cost of a song or let alone a CD, would happily spend 5K+ $/€/£ on an "affordable" Atmos speaker system... and have the skills or take the necessary care to set it up properly.
Yes, it's an exciting new technology and gadgetry field. Mostly if one is mixing for cinema.
But it's not for the average Joe, just as quad or holophonics or 5.1 or 7.1. weren't.
Firstly, this is actually mixed down to Binaural, so if you're wearing headphones you will hear the Binaural, secondly, I'm not PUSHING Atmos or Dolby, I have no affiliation with them at all. What I do have is knowledge, knowledge that every Label is beginning to require their mixes done like this so that of the streaming services that are requiring all the music to be mixed in Immersive. I'm here creating this content, without being paid by anyone at all to help. By the way Dolby came down to Kali's room and the acoustics and EQs were set correctly, it sounded great in there, always best to listen with your ears than to make judgements based on your eyes.
@@Producelikeapro Oh your knowledge is out of doubt - that's why I, just like many others, enjoy watching this channel. Always with headphones, btw.
I know what Atmos is, have heard it in properly equipped cinemas and studios, and I know it "folds down" to binaural, which I heard it here just as I did in a couple of other YT videos on Atmos.
So I also have no doubt in mind that you know that binaural via the YT codec is far from the full Atmos effect & experience, which was my main point, regarding the video.
Not hard to believe that the room sounded impressive or fun, and that the Dolby guys approved of it, after all it showcases their product, as well as the speaker manufacturer's: but I know you have more than enough studio experience and indeed knowledge to tell that, purely from a studio and an acoustics point of view, that room was all but well treated, with practically zero proper bass trapping in sight, an abundance of reflective surfaces, etc.
Regarding the "pushing", I said THEIR push, across multiple YT channels, more or less at the same time. And that's pretty obvious to see, just like when a new plugin or a new monitor speaker or the latest Fender incarnation are released, regardless of who is or if anyone is getting paid for it - the push is for the YT viewer (be it the end consumer or the wannabe audio professional) to buy, buy, buy.
The streaming services and whatever is left of labels will probably demand any gimmick existing or yet to come if it helps get more subscribers, but if it makes sense and if the listener/consumer will be technically and practically adequately set up to actually enjoy it and benefit from it is a whole other question. And it's not a new one, of course, as I said many of us remember quadrophonic, holophonics by Zuccarelli, surround of various specifications, etc.
Fun times, as ever.
@@PrantoKoX thanks for watching the channel I really appreciate it! FYI there is no demise of record labels, their profits are through the roof!
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