I love how you can just hear how he really didn't want to kill the child, but knew he had to if he wanted to return home and it just makes me tear up everytime I hear it.
Still doesn't excuse the fact that he was terrified of an innocent baby who couldn't lift up a single weapon and decided to kill him. A tyrant will always find an excuse to justify their actions against the innocent.
@@allisondempsey982i mean, If the Gods told you to kill a baby that in the future could be a big threat to you, wouldn't that lead you to big consequences by disobeying orders coming from them, considering some myths that being a God's enemy isn't exactly pretty.
@@NicoleFlores-hq5nh I would rather have been an enemy of the Gods than kill an innocent baby. You may call me a fool if you wish, but unless a baby is growing ginormous horns out of its head and walking on the ceiling while speaking in a dead or ancient language, I have no reason to fear or wish ill-will on an infant. Only a coward would fear an infant who could barely wield a weapon. Also before you bring up the argument of the prophecy again, should a child or a person be punished for a crime that has yet to even be committed? A prophecy is oftentimes fulfilled by those who try to prevent it.
@@allisondempsey982 i get it, i wouldn't kill a baby as well but considering Odysseus's history in terms of making the Gods mad? Along with how merciful they are, can't really blame him as it was a life or death decision.
I think I finally understand which moment he is singing about. He’s singing about the moment when he was forced by Agamemnon to throw Hector’s son from the walls of Troy. Heartbreaking
@@ur_internet_bestie it is. The musical has lightened a lot of aspects of Odysseus's character. They make him "forced by a vision" to kill Asthyanax, erase his affairs with Circe and Calypso, etc.
The way my jaw dropped when I first listened to this because I never read the Odyssey and was just shouting "HE KILLED AN INFANT??? AND IT'S ONLY THE SECOND SONG!?"
That song is clearly about men. There is no "she" here. You know what is tragic? You think inclusivity is beautiful. Women can be brave but they want to be cared for deep down. By a man. It is alright for men to ascend to be better and protect others. Women want this.
You know what would be cool with this in the final product? When The horse and the infant ends, there's silence. Odysseus goes to look at the baby and the infant starts crying, then Odysseus' fatherly instincts kick in and he starts singing this song's first tune. The song truly begins, Odysseus picks the baby up, cradling him and only letting go when he kills the infant.
I thought I got over my "warrior of the mind" obsession (at least for a bit), then I find this and obsess, go to check where it's from and- I'M BACK IN THE FREACKING BUILDING AGAIN Jokes aside love this one as well!
I’m not extremely familiar with at least this part of his story, but after reading the comments, I love this song. I extremely love how it seems he’s talking to the child, reassuring him that he’s not gonna hurt him. How could he hurt him, he’s “just a man.” But at the same time during this verse, he’s justifying himself, explaining to himself why he needs to do this. During the next verse, he’s questioning himself, wondering what lengths he’s really willing to go to, is he really gonna go through with this. Can a man really do this and still be called a man. At the end, he succumbs to what is asked of him, and has justified himself in his eyes. After all, everyone makes mistakes… and he is “just a man”
Exactly, perfectly put. Personally I feel like it would be more impactful and human and better reflect Odysseus' famously morally grey character if the preceding song had Agamemnon convince/threaten him (as happened in the Illyad) instead of having Zeus force him through a vision of its inevitability, but *shrug*
@@RavenSutcliffe zeus didnt force him. didnt even really coerce him. all he did was tell him what destiny was. the kid will grow up, then he will kill you and your family. rest of it was all odysseus.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 uh, if a dude with supposedly absolute knowledge came to me and said "you HAVE to kill this kid or he'll kill your whole family" while also showing you visions of your murdered wife (in the "you can say goodbye to Penelope (echoes)" bit) I would call that coercion. At least narrative-wise: the narrative absolves Odysseus of guilt even if he himself was guilty because we're told he knew with absolute certainty that Asthyanax would kill his wife and son. Heck, he keeps trying to propose alternatives (raising him himself, taking him far away and so on) and Zeus shoots down every single one, going over and over "nope sorry murder is the only option". Meanwhile in the original version it was his pride, like many things, that pushed him to kill Asthyanax, not his fear. Agamemnon was basically heckling him because he didn't consider him a real soldier since he killed with wit more often than a sword (which is rich coming from Agamemnon, considering the entire Achilles situation; pot meet kettle, but I digress). He does posit the theory that he'll come back as an avenger, but dude is not a Seer or a god. Odysseus (Ulysses at this point) chucks the baby down the wall because he essentially got told he wouldn't
@taylorl880 having a daughter myself and feeling this tear. Being torn between the life of this innocent child's or my family it tears me apart and I'm not even being made to make this decision😊
@@LightMoon7890 its not actually dumb that they took it down, the company that worked with Jay that produced the troy and cyclops saga (blair russell productions) has yet to pay jay for the royalties and has yet to give back his epic social media accounts. Jay made the video explaining this in his channel titled "very important epic update" iirc
It's from a musical that is currently in development. It's called "Epic" and is loosely based on Homer's Odyssey, made by Jorge Rivera-Herrans who also sings the main character Odysseus here.
How I wish he actually raised him as his own... He will never stop to be haunted by this... He's not a bad man at heart 😢 Before listening to this, I only knew the version of the Little Iliad, where it's Neoptolemus who kills Astyanax, because he's the son of the man whose brother killed his father Achilles. And also because he was described as a heartless beast, built to kill and therefore completely capable to kill a baby just like that. And somehow, this made me feel a little better in my grieving for Astyanax, because I've always admired Odysseus and never I would have thought he could do something like that, for ruthless that he's proved able to be. Now I will never be able to look up at him like before (I still love him though, he's so human and I feel for him)
I've listened to all the songs in order and can see i clear story from them, i adore songs like these, i can't wait for the day when they will make some official animations for each of them🥰
i love "when does a man become a monster" for MANY reasons, but one is how it applies to both Odysseys AND the child he is about to throw off of a wall. it applies to Odysseys because he is questioning how much is he willing to go to accomplish what he has been set out to do "will these actions haunt my days? every man ive slain? is the price i play endless pain?" that line is him wondering if he can go on knowing how many he has killed and how his actions will haunt him forever, he then tries to justify his actions looking at them as him doing whatever is necessary to get back home and how he has no power over what fate has in store for him "im just a man". he questions "when does a man become a monster" this can be him saying that he very well may shift to cruel and "a monster" if he continues down this path but doesn't know where the line is drawn. OR it can be him talking about Astyanax eventually growing up into a man and deciding to take revenge for what happened and thus becoming the monster and Odysseys like in the other interpretation doesn't know where the line is drawn and so he has to kill the baby in order to ensure something like that never happens. doesn't matter which interpretation it all ends with him dropping the child as he begs for forgiveness once more repeating "im just a man" in a futile attempt of fighting against the immense soul crushing guilt
Is it the begining of me getting into yet another musical and falling for it? This is how I got to know and love Hamilton Musical and The Greatest Showman
"I'm just a man" that sentence holds so much weight. It's like "I'm just a man, I'm just /one man/, i cannot possibly bear this burden". And also "I'm just a man", as in, he's convincing himself that this is was evitable, that he, a man, is just going to do what he was told, because he has been taught no better and also "im just a man" trying desperately to convince himself he is no monster but knowing deep down he's become something else by taking this infants life. No longer a man, but a monster.
Okay so we all agree that Odysseus didn't kill the kid and just smuggled him off to Crete or something when no one was looking after tossing a rock off the wall, okay? Okay.
Interesting, the new version seems much more gentle, like a lullaby (in the first half at least), very fitting for an infant… It’s deeply sad and emotional in a very heartbreaking way. More mournful. Meanwhile the original sounds more anguished, intense, less polished, especially with the voice cracks. More expressive of the horror at his own monstrosity. I honestly love both versions, can’t pick one over the other!! It’s just fun to observe.
Having spent my life making a bit of a game out of puzzling out the story behind songs with my sister, the Story behind this one hit me like a freight train. From the first note, you can FEEL how much Odysseus doesn't want to kill this innocent child, but is forced by Agamemnon to do just that. The man who just wants to go home to his Wife and Son, forced to murder a child no older than his own was the day he left to fight in some egomaniac's war on the far side of their world. You know that his instincts as a Father to protect Hector's son are battling with his desire for the War to end so he can go home to his own boy. Heartbreaking from start to finish and I can't help but Love it.
I love this musical and am absolutely fascinated by it in both a compositional & historical context. A story about gods, monsters, and men. A fantastical tale about the human condition with compelling characers & narrative that has been passed down through oral tradition, stories, and other forms of media down the river of time for over 2000 years. A story that survived well after the hallmarks of it's culture and time stretched back into antiquity into the persent day, and it's it has foud its way into the minds of mankind yet again. An absolutely killer example of good storytelling standing not just the test of decades or centuries, but millenia. Absolutely fascinating.
Yeah, but I still listen to the new ones, because I want the Epic team to get money so they can do something big like Jorge said he wants to do when the concept album is finshed
1:31 finally i now can see that its comet and not cabbage said after seeing a misheard lyric version of this i couldn't hear the word comet ONLY CABBAGE 😂 now i can hear comet hearing cabbage and not knowing it should be comet was driving me insane
I’ve heard this song on TikTok and became obsessed over the sound of his voice and the lyrics but I don’t know what the context of it is about. Does anyone care to explain?
In the Iliad the Greeks fear that Hector's only son, Astyanax, will grow up to avenge his father and decide to have Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles, (or in some versions, Odysseus is the killer) throw him off the city walls. In EPIC, Zeus forces Odysseus to be the one to kill Astyanax.
Zeus comes down and warns Odysseus that if he does not end the infant prince of Troy, the infant will grow up and want revenge, and will succeed as Odysseus will be too old at the time to fight back, but Odysseus is struggling, and also, the "When does a man become a monster" has a double meaning, it means both that Odysseus will become a monster if he kills an infant, but the infant will become a monster if he doesn't
@@CORBIN2263YT There's a lot of double meanings. "When does the reason become the blame" applies to both Odysseus stooping so low to kill a child, even if he has a good reason, and the child that will try to avenge Troy will just follow the endless cycle of revenge.
it isn't out yet 😭😭 the troy saga which contains the first 5 songs of the musical is all we have rn. new saga will come very soon (like late january). jorge rivera herran regularly posts updates, auditions and song snippets from the other songs on his tiktok page. i'd recommend giving him a follow if you're interested
Lyrics: I look into your eyes and I think back to the son of mine. You’re as old as he was when I left for war. Will these actions haunt my days? Every man I’ve slain? Is the price I pay endless pain? Close your eyes and spare yourself the view. How could I hurt you? I’m just a man who’s trying to go home. Even after all the years away from what I’ve known. I’m just a man who’s fighting for his life. Deep down I would trade the world to see my son and wife. I’m just a man. But when does a comet become a meteor? When does a candle become a blaze? When does a man become a monster? When does a ripple become a tidal wave? When does the reason become the blame? When does a man become a monster? When does a comet become a meteor? When does a candle become a blaze? (Forgive me) When does a man become a monster? (Forgive me) When does a man become a monster? (Forgive me) I’m just a man.
This couldve been perfect in Transformers ONE. The moment Orion gets shot in trying to stop his brother from killing Sentinel, and in the instant D-16 dies inside and is reborn, as Megatron.
At least I hope he made it quick and clean, that he swiftly cut his little throat or something, because throwing him down the, oh so Tall walls of Troy, letting his final moments to be full of terror and then possibly leaving him to wait for death in pure agony (in case the death, while inevitable was not instant) is just pure cruelty. Unnecessary cruelty.
and yet... that's how it happened. the only thing I can imagine as to why he did it like this in this story is 1. he was sure the impact would be an instant death, 2. was to show it to his men and everyone; claiming this death and not hiding he was the one who does it. because otherwise then anyone could say any rando did it. But he's not hiding he's the one shouldering this act alone to his enemies and allies. But in the end, there's no way to know why it was written that way.
Not gonna lie everytime I listen to this song I like to think about asgore, The things he's seen and been through, And how he needs to kill kids to try and free the underground.
1:37 "When does a man become a monster?" Satan and his demons dance directly on top of the blurred line. The line in which actions count as evil. The line in which a man becomes a monster. #FuckLifeAsAWhole
(talking about the famous part here) It's interesting how by the music and tone of voice in this song i feel something empowering heroic and almost explosive yet the lyrics go down in the negative sometimes and it creates a dissonance. Like i want that song to be present when the character is unlocking their true potential but the lyrics keep going into the corruption hate despair and sadness. It's weird.
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Idk why not a lot of people appreciate this song, its a literal masterpiece
ok first of all make you the boss of all music critiquing👌
This is one of my favourites in the Troy saga and that is an unpopular opinion I fear
I love how you can just hear how he really didn't want to kill the child, but knew he had to if he wanted to return home and it just makes me tear up everytime I hear it.
Still doesn't excuse the fact that he was terrified of an innocent baby who couldn't lift up a single weapon and decided to kill him.
A tyrant will always find an excuse to justify their actions against the innocent.
@@allisondempsey982in the musical the gods literally said that if he didn’t, the child would grow up to slaughter him and his entire family
@@allisondempsey982i mean, If the Gods told you to kill a baby that in the future could be a big threat to you, wouldn't that lead you to big consequences by disobeying orders coming from them, considering some myths that being a God's enemy isn't exactly pretty.
@@NicoleFlores-hq5nh
I would rather have been an enemy of the Gods than kill an innocent baby.
You may call me a fool if you wish, but unless a baby is growing ginormous horns out of its head and walking on the ceiling while speaking in a dead or ancient language, I have no reason to fear or wish ill-will on an infant.
Only a coward would fear an infant who could barely wield a weapon. Also before you bring up the argument of the prophecy again, should a child or a person be punished for a crime that has yet to even be committed?
A prophecy is oftentimes fulfilled by those who try to prevent it.
@@allisondempsey982 i get it, i wouldn't kill a baby as well but considering Odysseus's history in terms of making the Gods mad? Along with how merciful they are, can't really blame him as it was a life or death decision.
I think I finally understand which moment he is singing about. He’s singing about the moment when he was forced by Agamemnon to throw Hector’s son from the walls of Troy. Heartbreaking
He had to kill an infant for the people who don’t know about Greek
Yep.
I thought the Greek God Zeus at the end of the song "The Horse and the Infant" was who told him to throw Hector's Son from the walls of troy
@@ur_internet_bestie it is. The musical has lightened a lot of aspects of Odysseus's character. They make him "forced by a vision" to kill Asthyanax, erase his affairs with Circe and Calypso, etc.
😭😭😭
please NEVER delete this video. The original versions of these songs are removed from Streaming so we need videos like this exist :)
It breaks my heart because this is truly my favorite song.
They’re on spotify though
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 no they're not. They've been removed.
@@kidort4601 I listened them like an hour ago
@@kidort4601 I don't use tiktok. That said, Just A Man is very much on Spotify (and most of the other ones)
The way my jaw dropped when I first listened to this because I never read the Odyssey and was just shouting
"HE KILLED AN INFANT??? AND IT'S ONLY THE SECOND SONG!?"
This is the kind of song that'll make you a hero defending those whom he/she loves desperately even if it means them becoming the villain/dark
That song is clearly about men. There is no "she" here. You know what is tragic? You think inclusivity is beautiful. Women can be brave but they want to be cared for deep down. By a man. It is alright for men to ascend to be better and protect others. Women want this.
@@zephyrr108 well,I am talking about the listener not the character in this music
@@zephyrr108 ick
@@zephyrr108 no need to get triggered by something this small y know...
Calm your nipples.
spoken like a true simp@@zephyrr108
You know what would be cool with this in the final product?
When The horse and the infant ends, there's silence. Odysseus goes to look at the baby and the infant starts crying, then Odysseus' fatherly instincts kick in and he starts singing this song's first tune. The song truly begins, Odysseus picks the baby up, cradling him and only letting go when he kills the infant.
This is genius and heartbreaking my god.
If you saw the animations that people made of this song, this is exactly how most of them played out lol
AND OF COURSE YOUR PFP IS SAYAKA! THE HEARTBREAK AND GENIUS OF THIS IDEA 11/10!
The end of this song is so gorgeous. The build up, the harmony and layering, the high notes, the lyrics themselves? Tears. This song breaks me.
1:29 I MUST keep hearing this part
I thought I got over my "warrior of the mind" obsession (at least for a bit), then I find this and obsess, go to check where it's from and- I'M BACK IN THE FREACKING BUILDING AGAIN
Jokes aside love this one as well!
Literally love this reference
BAHAHA, NOOO NOT THE EGGMAN REFRENCE
Bro same
I did the same thing. Now I’m stuck on all of it. 🤣
I’m not extremely familiar with at least this part of his story, but after reading the comments, I love this song. I extremely love how it seems he’s talking to the child, reassuring him that he’s not gonna hurt him. How could he hurt him, he’s “just a man.”
But at the same time during this verse, he’s justifying himself, explaining to himself why he needs to do this.
During the next verse, he’s questioning himself, wondering what lengths he’s really willing to go to, is he really gonna go through with this. Can a man really do this and still be called a man.
At the end, he succumbs to what is asked of him, and has justified himself in his eyes. After all, everyone makes mistakes… and he is “just a man”
well odysseus just yeeted a child off a wall
Yeah I never knew this child part before I listened to the previous song
Exactly, perfectly put.
Personally I feel like it would be more impactful and human and better reflect Odysseus' famously morally grey character if the preceding song had Agamemnon convince/threaten him (as happened in the Illyad) instead of having Zeus force him through a vision of its inevitability, but *shrug*
@@RavenSutcliffe zeus didnt force him. didnt even really coerce him.
all he did was tell him what destiny was. the kid will grow up, then he will kill you and your family.
rest of it was all odysseus.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 uh, if a dude with supposedly absolute knowledge came to me and said "you HAVE to kill this kid or he'll kill your whole family" while also showing you visions of your murdered wife (in the "you can say goodbye to Penelope (echoes)" bit) I would call that coercion. At least narrative-wise: the narrative absolves Odysseus of guilt even if he himself was guilty because we're told he knew with absolute certainty that Asthyanax would kill his wife and son. Heck, he keeps trying to propose alternatives (raising him himself, taking him far away and so on) and Zeus shoots down every single one, going over and over "nope sorry murder is the only option".
Meanwhile in the original version it was his pride, like many things, that pushed him to kill Asthyanax, not his fear. Agamemnon was basically heckling him because he didn't consider him a real soldier since he killed with wit more often than a sword (which is rich coming from Agamemnon, considering the entire Achilles situation; pot meet kettle, but I digress). He does posit the theory that he'll come back as an avenger, but dude is not a Seer or a god. Odysseus (Ulysses at this point) chucks the baby down the wall because he essentially got told he wouldn't
This song broke my heart…
bro i used to cry every time i listened to it 😭😭
@@juicylobster having two young sons myself I can’t even imagine it.
@taylorl880 having a daughter myself and feeling this tear. Being torn between the life of this innocent child's or my family it tears me apart and I'm not even being made to make this decision😊
Don't worry, this is the second song of the lot. It gets so much worse.
@@taylorl880 what would you do in that situation when the infant looks in your eyes , scared of your helmet and unknown face
Devastated that the originals got taken down somehow but I'm so glad this is still up!
What is the main reason they got taken down? :(
@@sammybooiiiI'm pretty sure it was some kind of contract/copyright issue with a studio they decided not to work with anymore
@@apollyonabaddon1743they weren’t getting paid with their royalties
I hope some one makes a looped part of the last part of the song. That part is on fire!!
ruclips.net/user/clipUgkxSb1qQDd0wYxTfOaItoNVs4VzaLRAD-AO
thank you so much for keeping this video up i hope you don’t have to delete them ever - im devastated this version was taken down from streaming
Same
As someone who literally just finished the Song of Achilles…. This is extremely painful 💔 What a beautiful song
for anyone who wants it.
Epic bit (Imo): 1:29
Just felt so sorry for Odysseus and the baby...
They took down the originals. Here to listen to the superior version.
It's dumb they took it down
@@LightMoon7890 its not actually dumb that they took it down, the company that worked with Jay that produced the troy and cyclops saga (blair russell productions) has yet to pay jay for the royalties and has yet to give back his epic social media accounts. Jay made the video explaining this in his channel titled "very important epic update" iirc
@@derpydaine6470 ik why but I don't like some of the new versions
@@LightMoon7890they aren’t even like new 💀
@@Terminator01159 they are?
this is my favorite out of what’s released ❤️
ur taste is immaculate
no you 😭 ty for making this :> ❤️
I have no idea what the context of this song is, yet it speaks to me.
Basically Odysseus, (the guy singing) is being forced by Zeus to kill the infant prince of Troy.
It's from a musical that is currently in development. It's called "Epic" and is loosely based on Homer's Odyssey, made by Jorge Rivera-Herrans who also sings the main character Odysseus here.
How I wish he actually raised him as his own...
He will never stop to be haunted by this... He's not a bad man at heart 😢
Before listening to this, I only knew the version of the Little Iliad, where it's Neoptolemus who kills Astyanax, because he's the son of the man whose brother killed his father Achilles. And also because he was described as a heartless beast, built to kill and therefore completely capable to kill a baby just like that. And somehow, this made me feel a little better in my grieving for Astyanax, because I've always admired Odysseus and never I would have thought he could do something like that, for ruthless that he's proved able to be.
Now I will never be able to look up at him like before
(I still love him though, he's so human and I feel for him)
Bro I hope this goes to Broadway 😭😭. I just found out Jorge Rivera is Puerto Rican too! Boricua pride Frr😭🇵🇷🇵🇷🫶🫶
I've listened to all the songs in order and can see i clear story from them, i adore songs like these, i can't wait for the day when they will make some official animations for each of them🥰
They're supposed to say a story. Since it's the Troy Saga, based on Trojan War
Only the first two songs are Trojan War since The Odyssey starts with the end of the Trojan War@@nyarlathotepthecrawlingcha969
i love "when does a man become a monster" for MANY reasons, but one is how it applies to both Odysseys AND the child he is about to throw off of a wall. it applies to Odysseys because he is questioning how much is he willing to go to accomplish what he has been set out to do "will these actions haunt my days? every man ive slain? is the price i play endless pain?" that line is him wondering if he can go on knowing how many he has killed and how his actions will haunt him forever, he then tries to justify his actions looking at them as him doing whatever is necessary to get back home and how he has no power over what fate has in store for him "im just a man". he questions "when does a man become a monster" this can be him saying that he very well may shift to cruel and "a monster" if he continues down this path but doesn't know where the line is drawn.
OR
it can be him talking about Astyanax eventually growing up into a man and deciding to take revenge for what happened and thus becoming the monster and Odysseys like in the other interpretation doesn't know where the line is drawn and so he has to kill the baby in order to ensure something like that never happens.
doesn't matter which interpretation it all ends with him dropping the child as he begs for forgiveness once more repeating "im just a man" in a futile attempt of fighting against the immense soul crushing guilt
*Deep down* I would trade the world to see my son and wife
With every new saga, the previous ones are more painful
Damn this slaps all this needs now is transition into a long instrumental and you got a sad boss fight song
1:29 just for me cry every time I hear this
I like that the beginning part of the song he sings like a lullaby 🥺
Is it the begining of me getting into yet another musical and falling for it?
This is how I got to know and love Hamilton Musical and The Greatest Showman
The ruined king sent me here.
Best song for soloqueue motivation
I listened to the original so much on spotify. So sad its no longer on spotify anymore. This version is so much better than the newer one
"I'm just a man" that sentence holds so much weight. It's like "I'm just a man, I'm just /one man/, i cannot possibly bear this burden". And also "I'm just a man", as in, he's convincing himself that this is was evitable, that he, a man, is just going to do what he was told, because he has been taught no better and also "im just a man" trying desperately to convince himself he is no monster but knowing deep down he's become something else by taking this infants life. No longer a man, but a monster.
Yes, you've figured out like, the core thing the song is doing. Great.
Okay so we all agree that Odysseus didn't kill the kid and just smuggled him off to Crete or something when no one was looking after tossing a rock off the wall, okay? Okay.
In the original story Neo throws the infant from the wall
Nah man, greek myths are tragic
Just a man
Odysseus pulled a Rhea
Anyone coming here from Ithaca? 😭
Poor Hector, he and his family deserved better...
This song has so much pain in his voice I can't wait for this show to finish creation
Me Reading A Percy Jackson Book/// The Lightning Thief Book While Listening To This
1:30 I thought this said "When does a carpet become a media" 😭😭
I’ve heard “when does a cabbage become a meteor”
@@SleepyHollowKnightI hear that too ngl
Interesting, the new version seems much more gentle, like a lullaby (in the first half at least), very fitting for an infant… It’s deeply sad and emotional in a very heartbreaking way. More mournful. Meanwhile the original sounds more anguished, intense, less polished, especially with the voice cracks. More expressive of the horror at his own monstrosity. I honestly love both versions, can’t pick one over the other!! It’s just fun to observe.
I personally love the original more. Not really a big fan of the remake but I obv understand why they did it. Unfortunate
It sounds like it's being strangled and the entire thing was done in a shed.
It's very odd. Completely ruins the song for me. Shame.
Having spent my life making a bit of a game out of puzzling out the story behind songs with my sister, the Story behind this one hit me like a freight train. From the first note, you can FEEL how much Odysseus doesn't want to kill this innocent child, but is forced by Agamemnon to do just that. The man who just wants to go home to his Wife and Son, forced to murder a child no older than his own was the day he left to fight in some egomaniac's war on the far side of their world. You know that his instincts as a Father to protect Hector's son are battling with his desire for the War to end so he can go home to his own boy. Heartbreaking from start to finish and I can't help but Love it.
Why not read the book if the dumb fan made tiktok songs confuse you.
i 'm listening to this on repeat to remember the lyrics
I love this musical and am absolutely fascinated by it in both a compositional & historical context. A story about gods, monsters, and men. A fantastical tale about the human condition with compelling characers & narrative that has been passed down through oral tradition, stories, and other forms of media down the river of time for over 2000 years. A story that survived well after the hallmarks of it's culture and time stretched back into antiquity into the persent day, and it's it has foud its way into the minds of mankind yet again. An absolutely killer example of good storytelling standing not just the test of decades or centuries, but millenia.
Absolutely fascinating.
I woke up and this song was stuck in my head so i needed to find it again to listen to it more
why does this song sound so much like it could be from a disney movie?!
Makes me think of Prince of Egypt
I can totally see Rameses singing this
I know the story behind this (and I love both albums now) but a fantastic and accurate Avatar video brought me here.
Can't. Stop. Listening.
HELP.
This is the best song I have ever heard
i literally haven’t even seen the musical but this is one of my favorite car blasting songs
The originals were so much better than the new ones.
Yeah, but I still listen to the new ones, because I want the Epic team to get money so they can do something big like Jorge said he wants to do when the concept album is finshed
I agreed
Currently lying down on my bed contemplating my existence in the universe
0:52 just for future reference
What a voice, powerful song....
1:31 finally i now can see that its comet and not cabbage said
after seeing a misheard lyric version of this
i couldn't hear the word comet ONLY CABBAGE
😂
now i can hear comet
hearing cabbage and not knowing it should be comet
was driving me insane
lmao me too lol
When does a man become a miserable pile of cabbage?
That BG3 edit
Screaming and crying currently
The sounds like a freaking Disney song and I love that.
1:28 is where I keep playing from
This song was on loop the whole time I was at the gym and I highly recommend it. As Captain Holt once said, PAAAAIIIINNNN!!!
If this is making me cry now imagine seeing this live at the stage...
Who else here from the BG3 edit? 😭
✋️
I didn't, but the person who made that edit absolutely rules. It fits perfectly!
not just "the" BG3 edit.
"THAT" bg3 edit. 🙌
"When does a cabbage become a meteor" 😔
"When does cabbage become a blaze" 😢
this gave me goosebumps omgg 1:35
Deeper than a regular song.
I’ve heard this song on TikTok and became obsessed over the sound of his voice and the lyrics but I don’t know what the context of it is about. Does anyone care to explain?
God ask to Odysseus to kill the Hector's boys cause in the futur he will avenge his father
In the Iliad the Greeks fear that Hector's only son, Astyanax, will grow up to avenge his father and decide to have Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles, (or in some versions, Odysseus is the killer) throw him off the city walls. In EPIC, Zeus forces Odysseus to be the one to kill Astyanax.
He has to throw Prince Hector Of Troy's baby off the walls that surround Troy
Zeus comes down and warns Odysseus that if he does not end the infant prince of Troy, the infant will grow up and want revenge, and will succeed as Odysseus will be too old at the time to fight back, but Odysseus is struggling, and also, the "When does a man become a monster" has a double meaning, it means both that Odysseus will become a monster if he kills an infant, but the infant will become a monster if he doesn't
@@CORBIN2263YT There's a lot of double meanings. "When does the reason become the blame" applies to both Odysseus stooping so low to kill a child, even if he has a good reason, and the child that will try to avenge Troy will just follow the endless cycle of revenge.
1:30 is the part most used in edits if your lookin
The last verses mean that when does the thing become something big that it has a big effect on others
I found this song on tik tok and now I want to watch the musical so can anyone tell me where I can watch it?
it isn't out yet 😭😭 the troy saga which contains the first 5 songs of the musical is all we have rn. new saga will come very soon (like late january). jorge rivera herran regularly posts updates, auditions and song snippets from the other songs on his tiktok page. i'd recommend giving him a follow if you're interested
Is this a tiktok play?
no the creators have plans for this musical to have much bigger productions
He's never gonna live this one down.
Next AOT song for sure
So far it has been a "the Owl Hose" song
sigh, it fits AOT as well
Someone made an edit to it on tiktok
Lyrics:
I look into your eyes and I
think back to the son of mine.
You’re as old as he was
when I left for war.
Will these actions
haunt my days?
Every man I’ve slain?
Is the price I pay endless pain?
Close your eyes
and spare yourself the view.
How could I hurt you?
I’m just a man
who’s trying to go home.
Even after all the years away
from what I’ve known.
I’m just a man
who’s fighting for his life.
Deep down I would trade the
world to see my son and wife.
I’m just a man.
But when does a comet
become a meteor?
When does a candle
become a blaze?
When does a man
become a monster?
When does a ripple
become a tidal wave?
When does the reason
become the blame?
When does a man
become a monster?
When does a comet
become a meteor?
When does a candle
become a blaze?
(Forgive me)
When does a man
become a monster?
(Forgive me)
When does a man
become a monster?
(Forgive me)
I’m just a man.
1:23 the light fades, the curtain falls, you finally let go...🙁😕😟😞😣😠😡👿😈
???????
Listening to this and then immediately Monster in the underworld saga... 😭
This couldve been perfect in Transformers ONE. The moment Orion gets shot in trying to stop his brother from killing Sentinel, and in the instant D-16 dies inside and is reborn, as Megatron.
This gave me the god damn chills
Why do i like the original better..
Does anyone ever just randomly sing, "I'm the man behind the slaaauuughtteerrrrrr" 😊
This has a Disney song feel
I don't know why but half of me is sad but the other half wants to hear the baby screaming as it gets thrown off the walls... Im definitely psychotic
ok hear me out… Rhysand under the mountain? iykyk
Right? Fits him too.
0:52 For my own reference to loop a section of the song
Love this song 🥲
“Forgive me” hurts my soul
w song
At least I hope he made it quick and clean, that he swiftly cut his little throat or something, because throwing him down the, oh so Tall walls of Troy, letting his final moments to be full of terror and then possibly leaving him to wait for death in pure agony (in case the death, while inevitable was not instant) is just pure cruelty. Unnecessary cruelty.
and yet... that's how it happened. the only thing I can imagine as to why he did it like this in this story is 1. he was sure the impact would be an instant death, 2. was to show it to his men and everyone; claiming this death and not hiding he was the one who does it. because otherwise then anyone could say any rando did it. But he's not hiding he's the one shouldering this act alone to his enemies and allies.
But in the end, there's no way to know why it was written that way.
ikr
I have no idea where this comes from but I'm here because of an edit of Baldur's gate
LMAO SAME
made me cry
great song it just kills me because Odesseus had no quals yeeting that kid off the wall
There has to be a remake where, instead of "monster", the lyrics say
When does a man become a hero/memory
Idk, in my head it sounds great
Not gonna lie everytime I listen to this song I like to think about asgore, The things he's seen and been through, And how he needs to kill kids to try and free the underground.
Is that from a anime?
@@jamescannella1395 undertale
When, does a CABBAGE become a meteor?
.75 speed makes this so much more painful.
trying this now 👀
It distorts the audio waaaaaaayyyy to much
No idea what this is from but I seen it in a dope ass anime edit😂
I listened to monster and this song and now I want to watch the musical
So this is when he kills the baby?
no in this song he's just reflecting on his life 👍
I think that he actually kill the kid
@@juicylobster But he did kill the baby?
Yes
@@taylorl880 Ok. Slay I guess?
1:28
1:37
"When does a man become a monster?"
Satan and his demons dance directly on top of the blurred line. The line in which actions count as evil. The line in which a man becomes a monster.
#FuckLifeAsAWhole
Pretty sure Satan and his demons are quite literally so far on one side of that line they don't even know the line exists....
ok now imagine Merlin after Arthur found out he has magic
Ouch 😭
(talking about the famous part here) It's interesting how by the music and tone of voice in this song i feel something empowering heroic and almost explosive yet the lyrics go down in the negative sometimes and it creates a dissonance. Like i want that song to be present when the character is unlocking their true potential but the lyrics keep going into the corruption hate despair and sadness. It's weird.
Wish someone would loop the last part