Jensen's Best EVER Split! Karmine Corp Is a TRAIN WRECK! Are Western Teams DOOMED at MSI?
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Karmine Corp fans are having a terrible time at the moment because KCorp didn't make LEC playoffs. Meanwhile the LCS' Jensen and FlyQuest could be the best in the west right now ahead of LoL MSI 2024 after they destroyed Cloud9 and Jojopyun.
League of Legends podcast The Jungle is back as Medic, Broxah, Cubby, and Giniro discuss everything LoL esports, from LEC, LCS, to MSI and Worlds 2024 and everything beyond.
Chapters:
0:00 Cloud9 got BEAT DOWN
15:22 Are Western teams DOOMED at MSI?
28:35 Is the longer LCS break UNFAIR?
34:13 How do pros deal with patches before tournaments?
37:58 Community Question: Should teams stream scrims?
49:15 CQ: Should players get FINED for unprofessionalism?
1:00:44 Fixing the Karmine Corp and Rogue TRAIN WRECK
1:16:16 LEC Playoff PREDICTIONS
1:27:22 CQ: Is sexism in esports as bad as it seems?
1:30:43 POP POP
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I think Jojo is gonna look like an inter any time C9 loses. The team is so passive from behind that he ends up being the only one trying anything which reflects on his KDA if it doesn't work.
2:00: Yes, Medic, Jensen in 2017 Summer was the best split Jensen ever had. He was robbed of MVP by the broadcast, which admitted to not giving Jensen Player of the Game awards because "Even though Jensen was the best player in the game, other players needed to step up in order for them to win". So, Bjergsen having 12 PotGs while Jensen only had 8 overpowered the MVP voting, causing Bjergsen to win MVP over Jensen.
That split you had players across the West proclaiming Jensen was the best Western mid going into Rift Rivals and people being excited to play against him.
Thank you for saying this since people like to forget how dominant Jensen has always been
The worst part about that split is that Bjergsen had a good all around team with fucking peak DL as his ADC. He didn't have to carry anything and was playing Galio a lot of the time, clearly not hard carrying. Meanwhile Jensen had great scorelines even in C9 losses while having very little allied jungle attention.
38:02 scrim world championship getting closer and closer to reality
Watching ALL the podcasts I see :D
@@dongolio there are too many podcasts help
trash org
Question for the next one: should we make a bigger deal out of transfer windows in League - personally I find it really interesting to hear about the roster changes from split to split - couldn't we do more to build a stronger following for league if we publicised things like transfers more openly? (Thinking like UK Premier League Football type approach)
Jojo definitely played well and doesn’t deserve the criticism he’s getting. His team around him supposed to engage for him and create space and they did nothing. Jojo lanes well and you could tell he was really trying to win. He just didn’t have help having to engage alone because nautilus rumble and sejuani just don’t wanna press r on someone.
That also goes into their team identity though and they are all afraid to lose for some reason. Jojo is trying to win while his team is trying to not lose and they are just on different pages
Idk what these EU casters are talking about. In NA the consensus is Jojo tried his best to solo carry but C9 does nothing otherwise
Are you high? How would anyone but jojo engage a fight? They only had sejuanu, nautilus rumble!! /s
apa's son
1:07:48 Holy shit yes, LIDER is always at least fun to watch and fucking hell does KC need a non-NPC midlaner
I think changes to solo lanes and support would be great :)
@@kronos5056 Id like to see (as a KC fan) Abbedage or Lider mid, Top can stay cause u know its weakest role in EU, supp needs to change and you can look to even change adc cause u have 2 good options adc in Unforgiven and Crownie, also supp you have to pick from Limit, Treatz, Mersa
Question for Medic:
What are his thoughts about co-streams, that basically reduce casting to background noise and streamers constantly talk over them?
Honestly After thinking about it a swap that might benefit both Teams is Bo and Isma, KC Get their full French communication along with Caliste next year. All while SK can get Bo with Nisqy and Irrelevant, two Solo laners multiple Analysts and People from the community have advocated for.
The last time we had a real chance at international tournaments was when we had G2 & Fnc pushing each other + they had own playstyles and strengths. Last year I saw a G2 without real competition stomping most of their early games in EU and if they couldnt get a big enough lead they just lost. They hired Duffman again this year to work on their midgame rotation and overall their mid to lategame but they completely forgot how to play early games. Idk I dont see a real team identity. All they do is play like LCK & LPL plays (but way worse) besides some shit like Reksai top, but overall there is not a scary strength about G2 for eastern teams because the west plays way too standart.
There isnt a roaming Caps, there are no weird splitpush playstyles etc etc. Ofc the meta still favours teamfights and drakes but you could be atleast somewhat creative like playing early for all 6 grubs so you can actually splitpush. ofc you have to get 1 or 2 drakes atleast to stop the enemy from stacking, but still you could do it. After Twisted Fate got his AD buffs I thought for sure will G2 do something creative with it... anyway..xD
Even before we had a strong G2 and Fnc there were years where teams like Origens or Misfits played insanely well because they did their own thing + eastern teams didnt knew how to play against these playstyles or champs. I cant remember when VIT was at worlds but even this team looked good because - again - they did their own thing.
Our western teams have to accept that standard league will not be the way to go unless we somehow get better practice (I doubt it). Eastern teams are just that much better at it because they have actual practice and G2 has to play against KC for example.
Idk what games these people watched. C9 won every lane every game but just fell apart mid game. Jensen in particular had bad laning phases, on really easy lane phase champs(Karma, Orianna, Hwei) requiring Inspired to sit in his pocket for 40% of lane phase so he didnt die.
I would watch my favorite teams scrims all the time. Not 10 hours straight, but if there was a block of 3 or 5, I'd watch. And Caedrel would be on that sh*t.
Saying JoJo got gapped is disingenuous... you only have to watch the series to see that JoJo was in a mission of futility. He and Beserker were trying to win the game, whilst his team was running it/not trying to win. JoJo was literally having to engage fights on Yone because Sejuani refused to engage fights xD.
K Corp fans don't demand excellence from their team and players are overly protected because they are certain nationality. And also I can't wrap my head around how player like Trymbi was teamless. they would look better with him
you guys talk about KC fans keep being fans even through bad performance as if that was somehow shocking or sad, but reality is in traditional sports like football, choosing a team is a much more cultural choice and your fandom is independent from the teams performance.
I am brazillian, I am a fan of a team called Fortaleza... we spent 3 years in the third division and we'd still fill the stadium in important games.
if you really think about, one of the main issues with esports team fandom is that the ties people have with the teams are too brittle.
Lol should have a voice chat
U can't have your jungler babysit you midlane and camp tf out of Jojo and then act like you outplayed him lmaoo
How many timrs has upset been on a bottom 2 team in his LEC career?
1:04:46 Its not realistic to get irrelevant for summer, if we are talking 2025 sure but right now you can't get irrelevant, cause you just bought a 25 million $ spot so your pretty much low budget and u can't afford to take a player that is already playing and is gonna have a high buyout
Why not just record all the scrims and release all the ones that aren't insanely toxic on something like a 2 week delay then everyone wins. Teams get content, scrims have more accountability, fans get to watch scrims and no sensitive Tactical content gets released where it can affect the game
Jensen played a HYPE Lucian mid in 2019. Medic has amNAsia.
...Pop Pop?
Yes
Pop pop
Trainwreck is a compliment. KC is a WRECKED TRAIN going off-track and derailing into a cargo freight of nuclear wastes and gasoline. IT'S GONE! 😂
Afraid to answer a question about sexism? Like really?
First of all anyone can observe and have an opinion no matter who.
Secondly, sexism can exist towards men as well, it's no gender locked...
I would love to hear other perspectives as well, but I think it's fair to not feel the need or want to chime in when the question was asked towards Gini (it was my comment). And if you would like to hear the guys speak and say that "SeXiSM EXiSts TowArdS mEn ToO!", then I think you are watching the wrong podcast, and in the wrong space, cause honestly sexism towards men in esports is a joke of a topic IMO.
"i don't get this take, why would you want to watch scrims" says the person that can watch scrims to the people that can't watch scrims and are curious? nice.
i enjoy this right after the dive podcast by lcs just becuase this feels like high iq posh takes and the dive feels like jocks
Zoelys run it down on the tiebreaker and single handedly lost them the game
Is geniro like kelsey or emily or just a rando streamer?
I'm sorry, but why are we critizicing Jojo when his team picks Rumble, Sejuani and Nautilus and they all 3 sit in mid not engaging for 2 minutes straight until Jojo loses patience and Yone ults in (and dies)? C9 just has no clue how to identify or play around their win conditions. Game 1 was a hard draft to play, it needed flanks from multiple people and they couldn't do that, but game 2 was the most basic cookie cutter front to back teamfight and they couldn't even engage first.
About the whole KC stuff, I don't know man, this team is just disfunctional as a whole. Saken and Targamas are just npcs that exist in every game bringing no value at all, Bo is mechanically insane and is really aggressive, but he has no follow up (mostly because follow up tends to come from mid and support and, as I just said, they are npcs). Upset can't do anything as long as his jungler goes in 1v5 and his mid and support are npcing. Cabo is the one player that genuinely showed improvement from the start of winter to now, but he went from the worst top laner in LEC to being a middle of the pack one. It's improvement for sure, but one mediocre (and I'm not using this word as in "bad", but rather as in "not stand out") player doesn't fix anything. They lost the only good thing they had in winter, which was they would sometimes get early game leads, but now they just lose early game too. Their drafts are genuinely awful, and their players don't do the drafts any favours when playing them. They have terrible communication, they have no game plan, are bad at executing, aren't coordinated, nothing. Cubby's suggestion of Irrelevant wouldn't fix anything, but I would like to see Bo play in SK with him and Nisqy, to have a really good top side core that can actually enable Bo to be the carry we know he can be. KC is kinda doomed for Summer because they need a full roster revamp, and it's financially impossible to do that right now
Its not even the league, supa said he is better than deft lol
Waterproof phone coming in pog
-No Spaniards beyond this point-
Supa is the worst ADC in the league.
I would agree if not for "Mr. Potential"
The Spanish fans live in their own world, far from reality, but apparently so do you.
Supa is definitely not the worst adc in the league. Not by a long shot.
The guy almost had 2 Pentakills in 1 game last weekend despite the team struggling so much.
Definitely worse adcs than supa atm (!): exakick, comp, Patrik, Hans sama, upset.
Supa is definitely not the worst, but I wouldnt say he is the best either. Hans and Flakked would arguably be considered the best based on Current performances.
Hans and Exakick are both better. Also Zeri/Smolder pentas or quadras mean absolutely nothing. Those champs are penta kill merchants for a reason. It's not like he got a pentakill on ezreal or ashe, it was zeri. He's better than Upset and Comp, and patrik that's it. @@mikelytou
@@nanashiamaterasu8155 so if Pentakills on zeri mean nothing, where are exakick's pentas on that champ, that he played twice in spring? Or everyone else's? Oh, that's right, nobody else got one. What a ridiculous take of yours.
It is mind bending to hear western "pros" talk about taking extended breaks before one of the biggest tournaments in the scene... how many brakes do you guys think the Koreans and Chinese are taking?? How many hours do you think they put in daily??....Who do you think, that ACTUALLY wants to be world champs walks away from their craft, in the time that is given to them before hand to prep??...
This is one of the biggest differences between East and West - Mentality. We take breaks - They dont. We mess around in Scrims - They rarely do. We dont practice a lot - They practice all the time. There is a reason they are consistently better... because in the West players see running it in scrims and start laughing about it.
2:24 incorrect. Jojo gapped Jensen in lane. How can you say otherwise lol. Jensen would leave lane ~40 cs down from Jojo. Out of lane fly in general did a good job stopping Jojo.
1:25:00 If you look at global standards of ADC, I think no LEC adc surpasses B tier
did these guys even watch the series or did they see some highlights of c9 vs fly ....i watched 1st 4 min of them talking about the series saying jensen gapped jojo in lane phase ......my god gives me aneurysm....it's like now a days just anyone can start a podcast and spit nonsense i guess...come on guys atleast put some effort into whatever u r doing
i thought this to be just another "reee" post.. but after watching it back, i have to whole hardheartedly agree... jensen did nothing special, it was just bwipo/inspired setting everything up all the time... i guess gapping someone no longer means outplaying someone, just make less mistakes then someone who doesn't have a jungler or a top..
I think (I hope) they mean gapped more so by what the scoreline looked like at the end. Just looking at the stats, Jensen “gapped” Jojo. But in reality the whole team played against him to keep him down in all games. Even Bwipo and Inspired said it wasn’t Jojo’s fault but rather the rest of C9 couldn’t excel even when Fly put so many resources to keep Jojo down.
Exactly Jojo consistently won lane phase and just couldn’t do anything later
I think what Jensen did well doesn’t translate to the highlight reel but he definitely gapped jojo. With the help of inspired of course now medic saying this is Jensen best split ever is insane I think medic doesn’t know shit about jojo Jensen tbh
@@thezist3353 He did not Gap him... it literally took Inspired camping JoJo for the lane to not be completely lost. Even Inspired acknowledged that Jojo had an insane series and was actually the best player on his team and looking like he could have won it - They literally devoted time to shutting him down. Which is why Jensen looked better. Jensen didnt do anything, he was just solid.