Diagnosing USB C charging issues on an A1707 Touchbar Macbook Pro
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Perceived redundancy with four single points of failure? Evil geniuses!
Right? When Louis said each charge port has own controller I thought oh cool so if one charge port dies it doesn't kill a main controller and you can just use the others. Plot twist sike.
I was like "oh nice 4 charging circuits, if I designed this, they would recursively take over functions others cannot provide anymore, sounds dope, as long as 1 port works, the machine can be used"
And apple was like "what if... what if we just fuck it up? If one tire goes flat, all of them are. Thats sounds good. Make it so!"
As a car guy, hearing about how electronics are getting so screwed up makes me very sad of what could've been. In the car industry, we have the multi billion dollar aftermarket industry that is dedicated to making cars as free as possible for owners to tune and modify and as for electronics, if they're too complicated, it's always possible to throw everything out and replace it with a programmable ECU. So no matter what, if your car is worth it, the aftermarket will find a way. And EVs are also being modified with aftermarket EV swaps and swapping AWD motor systems into base model Teslas for example (Like Rich Rebuilds). So when Right to Repair is questioned we have BIG car organizations like SEMA and the whole aftermarket car industry lobbying against companies who want to abolish right to repair. Not to mention, many executives in automotive companies themselves were/are tinkerers who want to keep wrenching on their cars so they at least understand the importance of right to repair. Not sure what it means specifically about electronics but you have a LOT more support than you think, even with lobbyists :)
I appreciate comments like this. ヾ(＾-＾)ノ
the right to repair and all of that for me, is something that i fully support, but fun thing with the EV marked, i do some times understand companies, f.ex. if you modify the battery pack, you are charging with a lot of KW´s and an error can create an explosion on a charge station, and the fun thing here is, then it is "TESLA" or that EV company that has to defend them selves, because it is their car, even though the owner modified it outside spec. examples are also owners complaining about subaru´s gearboxes constantly, well if you pulling 400+hp through a gearbox build for 250ish , then it will go wrong. does not make the car a defective piece of junk.. just makes it buildt for a certain spec.
@@TheRasmusdc Yeah, it's not an easy solution, and I've made similar comments on other videos. With complexity comes nuance, and nuance is terrible for law--which means it's ultimately bad for freedom/liberty. Maximizing freedom is the one fundamental principle of "open-source" philosophy--it just doesn't ALWAYS play nice with capitalistic endeavors (especially those pioneering new tech).
@@TheRasmusdc At this point I believe Tesla should really help owners who want to modify their cars. Every other car manufacturer has racing divisions and they offer factory performance upgrades for the cars after all. Of course, if you touch the engine, you will void the warranty and thus, absolve the company's responsibility to damages.
I think it should be ok for Tesla to disable FSD if the owner decides to touch the powertrain of their cars. If I were modifying my Tesla that extensively, I think tesla factory support for modification like schematics, guides, etc. would be worth it in exchange for them protecting their company from liability from whatever I do.
Are you joking? Car parts from EVs are serialized all over. Tesla is making after though changes to disable free repairs and modifications. Companies are charging hilarious prices for simple relays. No way to repair crash damages, charger goes into slomo. No plan for recycling batteries. Welcome To Facebook!
This year, for Christmas, treat your loves ones to the dulcet tones of Louis with "It's a hmm hmm hmm Christmas!"
I still remember that day years ago when I had to fix my mom mac cause the genius bar just told her to buy another....4 hours searching and your video helped me ...I only fixed like 20 macs after that with your help and its always nice to see your videos anyway xD even if I have another job rn
Don't say 'only'. You've saved other people a fair amount of money and headaches.
i hope you're happy, louis. best wishes and i send love from cali
Oh cool, I've never been the first one here before. I'll edit this later when I have something substantial to say
EDIT: It really amazes me how impossible Apple goes out of their way to make it to service these machines. There's a reflection of this on the software side as well; they've slowly been moving more and more towards their desktop/laptop OS being just as locked down as their phones. Now, I'm a proponent of jailbreaking and open-source operating systems on mobile devices (I plan to get a Pinephone as soon as they're readily available/usable); but I can understand the need, desire, and positives of a locked down mobile OS. On Desktops/Laptops, however? No thank you. Imagine if the C64 could only run signed code, there's no way we would be living in a world that even slightly resembles what we have today. It's absurd, and I don't understand how Apple has lost their way in terms of supporting open, community developed software.
money. This is apple's way.
10:34 I don't know what you're breaking but I trust that it deserves to be broken.
I repair classic Apple products, just did a Powerbook 100 with some nasty corroded pads. One thing i can say, they were VERY rugged PCB wise. I was able to clean the pads up completely without losing a single one. Pretty impressive. Love watching this work.
i wonder if there will ever be a day that apple engineers comment back to him on his videos... It would be glorious
Their legion of lawyers would not allow.
Hi. This is apple. Stop fixing our out shit. Love you
Another industry doing the same exact thing(no right to repair) is RC modeling. When you buy an aircraft, you really need to buy two copies because what few parts are available will be gone in a year. With the number of crashes (not me) it is impossible to fix these aircraft. It all ends up in the landfill. This was a hobby originally build on guys building models from balsa wood. They were very ware capable of fixing the damage. Now the hobby is just buying, crash, buying and buying again. Some of these models can be several thousand dollars. I have a couple that are over $3K. Not being able to get parts makes me a fabricator. I have milling machines, lathes, and 3D printers. Even then, sometimes it does not pay to fix.
Man...that board is nasty AF. How can people live like this???
27:00 Those pull down resistors handle the I2C addressing for the chip. The pin might be named DEBUG whatever but the chip itself uses the pin for other purposes as well. Not sure if the board communicates with the CD3215's over I2C but if it does then they would each need a separate address. Also, those resistors may determine master/slave as well which means it may not know whether to look for the flash chip or to expect a master CD3215 to give it it's programming.
I need more soothing videos of Louis serenading while repairing.
Thank you for making these videos again!
Board repair ASMR
5:48 Reliability is a priority when it comes to their fuse design - as You said a lot of times!
After this one, Louis has no flux left to give 😝
„Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me...“
I live on a boat floating in the ocean and all my computers look better than that on the component level. WTF was this poor MacBook asked to do?
That looks like an animal licked the board with much excitement.
And then rolled around on it until it was good and hairy 😦
@@dr.eldontyrell-rosen926 Exactly!
I really hope the right to repair movement becomes big. I feel like a freaking slave buying products I can’t fix my self. Specially smartphones and laptops
phones youre shafted no matter who you buy, you have a choice with laptops though. may take looking into but even some lower end laptops can be upgraded
@@bradhaines3142 Well, I have a Fairphone 3 so I can change every part with just a Phillips screwdriver.
@@ClickItYT and you have to buy the parts from them dont you? it may seem like freedom, but thats like repairing an electric car, if there arent after market parts its basically pointless
Plottwist, in the Apple Store
Apple: "uhh you having a problem with your MacBook... Let me plug in the Debug Connector."
MB Owner: "Oh well, let's do it"
Apple: "So it isn't working that means your MacBook is dead..."
MB Owner: "But look it's even turning on..."
Apple: "confused"
MB Owner: "calls Louis"
Louis: "So the thing is their is a missing resistor, that's why it won't work at all, but nevermind get the f**k out of here, they just wanna sell u the next piece of sh*t"
MB Owner -> leaves
_Apple _*_triggggered_*
I have to admit, I've been a PC guy my whole life but the new M1 Macbook Airs and all the attention they are getting on RUclips have me considering picking one up.
Wait for the next one, M1 v2, what I'm doing at least. Then I am jumping all over that (with Parallels or VMWare for my windoze) 😇
@@dr.eldontyrell-rosen926Rumors of the M1X are already making the rounds possibly for a new SKU coming in the next couple of weeks, likely a new MB Pro 16" with the M1X.
My ocd makes me want to clean the boards before I fix them. I just can't with that filth
Would a polarising filter for the camera help with the vision? You will lose a stop and half in light, but it will get rid of all the reflections.
I understand the challenging and the feel of accomplishment for fixing boards, but srsly how do you deal with all these gross pile of muddy corossions everyday?
What do you use to clean motherboards what is completely safe? Isopropanol or Thermal Paste cleaner?
I had a lightning strike so close one day it went all the way to the mouse and knocked me off the computer along with things off the walls of the house. All it did was kill the ethernet port on my old Dell laptop.
What does this have to do with anything? Hell I don't know.
great work
but can i remove the bad one "cd3215" and run the macbook without it??
Why don't you clean the boards before trying to fix whats wrong? I see this every time, you don't mind the mess?
If he cleans it first it will be harder for him to find where the corrosion was.
he had an entire video on it. also you usually need clean after anyway when you bust a load of flux all over it, so it's just doubling the work
@@bradhaines3142 Ah I see now
how does that chip stick to the pads after you took all the solder off?
Is there a way to solvent wash this muck prior to bringing in flux and heat? I (as a motor drive repair tech) washed boards with alcohol or tri-chloroethylene prior to testing if they were nasty. BUT our better customers did send us clear open boards not whole units (drives). All the same some were VERY saturated with products of varying nasticity.
Is it gonna be because of PP Bus G3 hot (something something)? I absolutely don't know and just trying to recall things you frequently said in previous videos. xD
Thank You !
I'm having trouble finding the appropriate screwdriver to remove the screws from the USB port (the 2 screws that connect the port to the board) Which one are you using?
at 13ish - good rendition of 'Mad World' by Tears for Fears
How do the board get so nasty if they're in a sealed case. That says someone has been in there many times or the laptop was stored in a cat infested area. very gross.
I would guess the filth comes from the fan openings
"Cat infested" is a phrase made necessary by feline behavior.
One other confession, I lift traces :( You sir must have a god like touch. I go to clean up a board in-evitably I get too aggressive with the scraping and heat. :( Sign of me is bodgewires.
Hey brother i get Zero on usb meter.. i checked the caps behind the usb c charger port and get nothing zero.. i inject 3v 2A into the closest fuse to USB c ic controller and the ic gets hot.. you think thats the issue
What thermal paste do you use? Can you recommend one?
that flux, reflecting in the light, that's beautiful, #neverenoughflux
When a motherboard has a shorted component, its easy for the professionals to troubleshoot by finding out the current drawn, or otherwise by locating the warm (or hot) component. When a motherboard is not working due to an open component like a resistor or a capacitor, or an open transistor, how can we precisely know the reason and also locate the non-working component???? Thanks in advance.
Mad world indeed
28:34 It was about Nvidia's refusal to bother developing reliable graphics drivers (or work with Linux devs to help them develop reliable drivers). The "proprietary hardware manufacturers vs. Linux" battle is real.
www.quora.com/Why-did-Linus-Torvalds-give-a-middle-finger-to-Nvidia-during-a-conference
thats why apple went with AMD, nvidia wouldnt let apple change their drivers so they went to AMD instead even though they're undeniably worse especially in laptops
"Fix and Solder" Wait is Louis Rossmann the Doom Guy of our universe, but because there are no direct demons he instead fights figurative ones in Apple?
best part was probably Louis humming mad world
Louis that mac board would make you sick with hairy stuff on the board. The smell when desoldering or soldering.
Louis, have you run across the issue where the USB C ports put out 19 volts to connected USB devices and fries them? Im wondering which models have this issue. A USB volt meter helped me diagnose mine. Im guessing the only thing I can do is replace the logic board? I've lost SEVERAL drives by plugging into the offending port. Only one of them causes this and only when the power is plugged in.
The only reason i can think of that they are designed so badly is because of their mistreating of employees
I can't tell if you mean mistreating or mistraining.
@@adamjj001 Why not both? ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ
@Peto Pedro
Apple persists in disregarding the widespread blatant abuse of the workers that build its products.
In 2015, the workers making Apple products in China are still mistreated.
Apple uses sweatshops in China to build its products.
Sweatshops are good for Foxconn (and for Apple), but not for workers.
An undercover journalist reports on the horrible conditions in the Foxconn factory that makes iThings: still horrible in 2012.
Foxconn closed schools and forced the students to work building iThings.
Working conditions at Apple's other Chinese suppliers are even worse than in Foxconn.
Today's Apple Pegatron sweatshops are even nastier than the Foxconn sweatshops it used before.
Just because you're not pregnant, should that make it ok to require you to work 11 hours a day, 6 days a week? Apple is culpable if its products are made by people working a longer workweek than is allowed in the US.
Mistreatment of workers making Apple computers continues in 2014.
I thought that was the song you were butchering! I think they'd find it amusing to hear your version. Good taste my fine internet friend.
Louis having a Mad World day
19:00 When replacing those resistors and capacitors: did you take them from donor boards or are it the same ones you removed a few seconds before?
he has the schematic and has done this for years.
i would bet he has drawers full of new resistors and caps with the right specs.
Hi, what temperature you use for the iron and air heat gun?
Afaik, he is using the heat gun at max temp and air and regulates the heat on the board by keeping distance.
How does the logic board get so dirty with corrosion and what looks like hair, if the it is incased inside the Mac? New to electronics.
Intake fans
at 4:55 Me thinks the Macs could use Clover of OpenCore for booting. No Universal System Binding hacks.
+1 for humming Mad World
the cleaning process of this board should be interesting to watch 🧐
It's called failure redundancy. We cannot rely only on the unfusable fuses or the high voltage pins close to cpu data pins to destroy a mac, shall we?
CD3215
TPS65983
Designed and manufactured by Texas Instruments. I guess you can blame them and not Apple for that design flaw.
Dont mean to be a D-bag, but thanks for getting back to fixing boards
its work now or not yet ?
Hi I have an issue with my 13-inch, 2017, Four Thunderbolt 3 Port Touch Bar, One day All the ports just stopped reading data all what it did was charging then after few tries I found out that with the USB Hub it could read the 3.0 hard drives and even the memory cards although one of the 4 ports was not working and this issue came with an other more annoying issue is that when I close the computer and put in my backpack I always find it very hot and sometimes even the battery was drained...
Can someone Gide me to solve this problem I'm in a country where there is not Apple repair center.
Luis it's too early for this, I got a graphics card to buy today! I need rest!!!
good luck storming the website.
@@AC3handle couldn't get it :/
@@PogGamerMan Were you honestly expecting to? come ON. when there's groups out there that you subscribe to simply to get in on the scamming job, unless you know programming, or have an 'in' at best buy or microcenter, you ain't getting no card for the next 6 months.
Unless you want old and busted 2060 super.
I know you have addressed why you do not clean the board, prior to diagnosis, but why do you not at least clean some of the dirt and debris away after you have identified the area where there is a problem. There must be a method to your madness. Thank you.
Where are you located?
Reroute the fume extractor to Paul's desk so you can share the nastiness...
USB-C is just awful. It wears out way too fast.
Its a mad world...😊
How does any laptop become that gross? That's worse than the jizz-book. Unbelievable.
Can someone tell me which mac model was the most reliable? I’m using a 27” iMac and there are no issues.
It's not _usually_ which ones have the most issues--it's which ones are impossible (or nearly impossible) to fix. The number of crappy products that roll out each year that are still _fixable_ is really astonishing, but people usually tend to *notice more* when the cost of repair quite literally approaches the cost of replacement.
Having said that, the best macbooks were probably the titanium models from the early 2000s. Those things were as reliable as they were ᴛʜɪᴄᴄ.
The commodore 64
reliable or mac, pick one. you cant have both. or you can pick tedious ruclips.net/video/ATnpEOo3GJA/видео.html . running virtual mac os on linux
@@hilmanmaulana1565 I’m planning to build my own pc running OpenSuse.
Hope it’s not hard to install on a fresh system!
Now I understand why Apple only put 2 USB C ports on the new M1 generation. It's the first lineup of their own desktop CPU, so maybe at least now, they try to have a better impression by having 2 less failure options lol
Interview your employees, past and present, on how you are as a boss, how working for you is. That would be interesting.
You should get extra money for having to deal with an obvious hazardous waste site.
Why are you posting at such an hour? Why are you awake at stupid-o’clock in the morning, Louis, why?
Wait, why am _I_ still up. Fuck.
So an upside down resistor looks like a capacitor....
What the hell happened to this poor thing? Did they throw it into the bath water of the dog???
Gott im Himmel what happened to that board.
England not European as much as others think we are ,not in my eyes call it what you want in solder i will work it out.
I like how he says it has all this corrosion what he really means is Kaka
* nVidia
i just wish i could get KESTER or equivalent in europe :(
So what you're saying that the eu does not allow you to get the good solder with lead lmao
@@RespawnRestricted no what im saying is you cant get kester or premium solder at resonable prices namely the one that has 3% silver 100 euros for 250gr is insane
Rick Rolled for JEWFLU-2021
That thing had more hair on it than an 80's porn movie.
All around me are familiar faces
Oh look...another macbook from your persistent customer Spanks McGee...
I’ve seen cleaner boards under a urinal in a public toilet. What do people do with their damn MacBooks?
"first thing I'm going to do is get a drink of water"
I was totally expecting a store.rossmanngroup.com plug here for water bottles as I've been watching too much Linus.
No... I don’t remember dropping my MacBook in the ocean...
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The first time, apple users get ripped off, when they buy this stuff...and the second one, if they have to repair it...lol
19:00 When replacing those resistors and capacitors: did you take them from donor boards or are it the same ones you removed a few seconds before?
Man, that's ridiculous. The controllers on a modern motherboard are wired together like a forty year old string of Christmas lights...
Macs not switching to 20 volts while charging is one thing. Macs spitting out 20 volts on another USB-C port WHILE charging is a harder problem to notice (before it is too late).
ruclips.net/video/joHtj4ewkHY/видео.html
hi
Hi
Hey , I have a question. In this video, you say that USB C which is boot looping means that its USB controller is good. And a constant 5V means that the USB controller is faulty. However , in this video : ruclips.net/video/MY8LlHfK9ZA/видео.html you actually say the opposite. I would like to guess that you are right in the newer video ?!
I noticed that too! Until this day I don't know if boot loop is good or bad.
Nvidia being able to program a proper Linux driver? What a comedian ;D
5:52 - WHYYYYYYY
THIS is intentional and anti-consumer design.
Why wouldn't they just have a single cd3215.... and then each usb controller can just detect a charger, and then turn on a mux to switch to a cd3215....
Why does a port on ONE side of the board.... care about another port?
That's absolutely asinine.
This is why we need some kind of change that punishes companies, with large taxes, if a device that uses a ton of resources to produce, is not repairable / reliable / reasonably diagnosable. If it costs the company more to design 4 points of failure, vs one, they'd change their ways (unless the benefit of more dead devices and people rebuying outweighs the tax).
I just hate how it's more economic for EVERY company to produce less repairable shit while we struggle to produce chips. Meh.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I see someone else is a Tears for Fears fan.
26:55- apple doesn't need the debug connector.... Its not like they use it anyway.....
apple's Idea for customer service- give the customer 5 bucks for a machine that they paid way too much for and telling them about all the terrible deals apple has on their latest and worst hardware...
Yowza, that thing is a new lifeform. That has to be worse than covid, right?