The Failure that was WWE Studios
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- When you see that a movie is made by the WWE.. that is usually not a good sign. WWE movies are very interesting creations. Want 5 straight to DVD Marine movies? WWE got you covered. Before WWE Studios was a company that lived to make straight to DVD "classics", they actually tried making major motion pictures. Such as the Marine, See No Evil, The Condemmed and more. They had the Rock, John Cena and Stone Cold ready for stand by.. but they flopped. What happened? How could WWE flop at making movies? Well lets find out. A quick history of films made by the WWE.
Hey at least they helped the Rock right?
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It’s so weird, I loved the Marine 1, The Condemned, See No Evil, and even the freaking Chaperone of all movies back then. I was an idiot kid, alright.
Triple h is low key a good actor though lol
The Chaperone was my favorite as a kid LMFAOOOO, Boy I had no brain as a kid
Same, I even liked 12 rounds
@@theitfactorjameswheezer2852 agreed tbh.
Nah I think you just loved the idea of your favourite wrestlers on film, that happened to me, where I didn't really care about the quality of the film just the fact that there on another media.
Am I crazy or didn't WWE incorporate See No Evil into a onscreen storyline? Kane was obsessing over the date May 19th to the point of going nuts. I think it was the release date of the movie.
You’re not crazy that happened
in the WM match Kane vs Great Khali, Kane uses the chain weapon from the movie (he still lost though!)
they did the best bit was kane going around with a chain with a hook on it i think they only had him use it once though could be wrong
May 19th is my birthday 😎
@@thezendevil Kane was excited for you.
if you look at it 2004-05 smackdown storylines like eddie vs rey and booker vs angle would be better wwe movies than the ACTUAL wwe movies themselves 😭
For real 😂😂
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@@MEUltra What?
Seriously, it's not going to happen.
We get it, you owned Judgement Day 2005 on DVD
The craziest thing about 12 Rounds and Marine 1... They're nearly the same plot, and both include John Cena. "Wife gets kidnapped by thugs and husband has to save her."
In other words, they're both "generic action movies".
Walking Tall is the same movie but instead of the girlfriend it's rocky's father
True but besides see no evil they are actually decent movies even though they are generic compared to all the other garbage they released, also the condemned isn’t a bad movie, it’s a decent movie with Steve Austin,I’m not saying it’s great but it’d not bad as Austin does a decent job playing the character straight without over doing it
@@michiel1162eh the original walking tall movies from the 70’s are waaaay better
Loved saying this when I watched both as well. Very funny!
The Fiend could’ve had a amazing horror film.
Actually all of Bray Wyatts gimmicks could’ve been good horror movies
Yeah, but for some reason a company that is all about money, threw away one of their best prospects for making it. I mean the movie could basically write itself. If not, bray could. Dude is a mastermind creatively.
@@ZombieaidZ WWE just doesn’t really try anymore and as a wrestling fan it’s deeply disappointing.
He's making one at the moment, so there is that
They could used wrestlers gimmicks in their own horror movies; Balors demon, Wyatts cult and fiend gimmick, Undertaker and Kane.
You wrestling fans are delusional. None of these wrestlers can act, even the successful ones. Literally every single movie idea I've seen here is trash lol. I'm lmao@the thought of bray wyatt carrying a film
Vince is so ashamed of being a wrestling promoter. He's always spending the money he makes on wrestling to open outside ventures and they always fail miserably. WBF, XFL, WWE Studios, those bodybuilding supplements in the 90s, all failures.
I think that's why he hated Ted Turner so much back in the day. Vince wanted to be Ted Turner. Vince dreamed of being a multimedia business mogul, and was filled with resentment that he was suck with wrestling.
Seems like he cares more about those than his own company.
@@aj_gen_ace not everybody wants to be stuck making the same thing
Or it's because he sees other markets
You realize pretty much no business owner wants to stay in just one industry right
Take all the big names
Bill gates,Elon musk, Jeff bezos they all ahve numerous businesses and projects lol
In Vince's defense the second version of the XFL was pretty good, it's just that C-Vid happened and ruined everything.
@@swaglad9728 that's fair, but he also flat out doesn't call it a wrestling company, it's a sports entertainment company. They're wrestlers aren't wrestlers they're superstars. I think that's what give people the impression that he hates that wrestling is what he's stuck with.
You forgot to mention, WWE's most critically accliamed film: Fighting with my Family which is a great film and brought its main actress, Florence Pugh into the mainstream.
The marine, 12 rounds and see no evil are actually good
Was 12 rounds actually good? I remember all of the commercials they pushed for it in 2008 thinking it was probably crap even at age 11 lmao
That was closer to the beginning of the studio so it seemed like they definitely poured way more resources into those. Especially since some were in theaters.
@@justinharris2272 I watched it then around the same age actually liked it I’m pretty sure I watched it a couple times too
See no evil is awful lol. Even as a kid it wasnt scary lol
See no evil gave me fucken nightmares as a kid lol
The Marine (2006), The Call (2013), and Fighting With My Family (2019) are WWE Studios' most commercially successful films, and to be honest all are really good.
Agreed I still like the first Marine
I forgot all about The Call. Everyone wanted to see that movie back then because Halle berry was In it
Oculus made more money than the marine and fighting with my family. It’s also one of the better horror movies to come out in the 2010s
I actually like the first version on 12 Rounds🤷🏽♂️
The Call actually had a decent premise
you should make a list of your favorite movies that feature wwe wrestlers (ex: The Suicide Squad, The Longest Yard, Santa’s Slay)
I'm currently watching Santa slay enjoying it
I watched The Longest Yard yesterday on VH1
Longest yard is probably the best it's hilarious
They live? One of the greatest movies of the 80s
other movies: Rocky III (Hulk Hogan), The Encounter (Sting), That’s What I Am (Randy Orton), Dead Man Down (Wade Barrett), See No Evil 1 & 2 (Kane)
12 Rounds was directed by Renny Harlin who made Die Hard 2 and Cliffhanger so it’s no wonder it ended up being more polished than the 2006-2007 trinity.
When Pav drops a video I DROP whatever I'm doing and watch it
Same
Same
My girlfriend loves cheesy movies and I forgot these even existed so you just made my weekend. Gotta dig the 12 rounds and see no evil dvds out.
So that's why Cena went through that camo phase! I didn't know what was with the sudden change in character at the time
One of his best attires
Crazy how both John Cena and Robert Patrick later reunited as father and son this time in the DC Peacemaker show.
They should have did movies based on their characters own history. Like I would have loved to seen a movie that would be about the Kane, Undertaker, Paul Bearer story. Showing what happened to their mother and other things. I think a lot of wrestling fans would have digged that.
A crazy funny story about the Dudley Boyz coming up in Dudleyville with their family and friends.
Mick Foleys story would have some crazy twists too.
The Rocks Smackdown Hotel being another idea. Based on the Rocks commercials, and that one about Kurt Angle checking in to play WWF Smackdown 2. I think it could have been amazing to turn into a movie.
There's plenty of possibilities.. But instead WWE just made things that any other studio was already doing better. The only ones that I thought was ok was the first Marine, The Chaperone, and See No Evil.
Sounds horribly cheesy
@@kyle4586 I don't see what's so horrible about it. I'm talking taking popular wrestling characters and expanding their backstories beyond the ring. Which could have been great for attitude era stars considering how much depth was put into their backstories...but hey, to each their own person.
Nobody would watch it outside of like 300 WWE fans. They always wanted that mainstream crowd.
@@Slycoomer56 yea..you dont have a clue. Undertaker alone has/had millions of fans all over the world, so if a movie came out about his backstory with Kane and Paul Bearer im sure a ton more than 300 would want to see it that a lot more than wwe putting star in random action/thriller flick. Heck people have speculated about the Undertaker/Kane/Paul Bearer story for years anyway while the storyline was playing out on WWF television as well as after. Moving on now.
Tbh i just think they should've used more wrestlers in one movie. Imagine if The Marine starred John Cena, Batista and Stone Cold. I guess it would've made at least 5 millie more
1) They were cheap with their wallets and casting, 2) They hired wrestlers as actors instead of actual actors. These two things were the major reason why this studio flopped.
I think the casting is not that bad but the story they make are always generic and boring
Cena was a pretty good action hero in 12 rounds and Marine, it's just the people behind the camera. Like a p0rn director really
I mean wrestlers as actor could work they just need it to do more
Casting wrestlers is he only appeal of those films lol, whose watching see no evil if kanes not in it
13:14 one can say the same thing about their roster. WWE knows how to build a star if they want to, they just don't, they just choose to waste talent and time, but they CAN do something good, that's currently more or less a point of contention after the waves of mass firings, so many people who could've actually made an impact but simply didn't because WWE chose not to do their magic
WWE built plenty of new stars like Roman Reigns, Drew Mccintyre, Big E, Kevin Owens and Seth Rollins.
@@comet6740 WWE has a big roster with a bunch of people they could push to stardom, not just a handful of guys. my point is they aren't utilizing their talent as well as they maybe could. if nothing else, look at all the mass releases they had since 2020, a bunch of those guys were underutilized and the Creative couldn't be *creative* enough to do something with them, so the company couldn't justify paying for all of them, which then led to the "budget cuts", but maybe, if WWE had given those people a chance to shine and get over with the crowd, the workers would've become investments, not expenses
I really loved Legendary back in the day!
I was only 12 when I watched it but I felt like it was groundbreaking
Probably watched it over 50+ times 😂
Lowkey watched that movie before my first ever wrestling tournament to get hyped LMAO
Legendary is a genuine nice flick. Nothing great, but it does well what it sets out to do.
Legendary is underrated and solid for what it does.
I was blown away at how good Fighting with my Family was, it proved that they are capable of making good movies if they actually try.
One Of the biggest mistakes of my life was watching the call
Not because the movie is bad but because I was a kid back then and it did change my view on the world because of how dark the movie was
That movie was decent, though, except for maybe the ending. I remember Dead Man Down came out around that same time and felt that movie was underrated.
Blew my mind when you said Oculus was a WWE film since that is one of the best horror films in recent memory. But then I saw they just invested in it and didn't really "make" it. More realistic
Same thing with The Call. These were independent movies that were not made by WWE but that they distributed and made a licensing deal for. So they just paid to have the WWE logo attached but had no involvement in production.
@@nada55666 Smart move
I remember seeing the WWE logo when I saw Oculus in theaters and getting really worried! But good on them for bankrolling Flanagan before he was a big name
I genuinely loved The Condemned was a shame that it didn't do too great in the box office though as it is possibly the best WWE branded movie they put out
It felt like a B action movie from the 80’s and I say that in the best possible way
Off topic: This is one of the problems with WWE in general today everyone wants to wrestle long enough to springboard that success into Hollywood since The Rock successfully did that and John Cena finally got over the hump and is starting to see moderate Hollywood success.
Just because one or two standout wrestlers made in Hollywood starting from wrestling doesn't mean everyone can do that.
Facts this comment falling under radar. Wrestlers are not in it for entertaining anymore it’s a fast track to get into “Hollywood”
i loved marine 1, see no evil, and especially the condemned. i didnt even know they were rated so bad. i still think they are some really nice action flicks. the triple h one isnt terrible either
Agreed
See No Evil was damn good honestly.
@@shortyg1018 Glenn actually knew how to act as a killer
the Triple H one with the school bus right?
how do you like them they’re so hard to watch
See No evil wasn't that bad. When I think about WWE Studio I immediately think of Kane. Also Kane really surprised me in how good of an actor he was.
Getting to see Kane slaughter a bunch of stupid kids was awesome
see no evil sucks watch the burning
@@josephbryson4491 no
As horrible as all of WWE’s movies were, We’ve gotta admit it was fun as kids seeing Kane kill people, John Cena blowing shit up and Stone Cold be Stone Cold Steve Austin in a movie LMAO😂
WOAH WOAH WOAH!!! Let me get this perfectly straight: You comment something that is completely unrelated to the fact that I have two HAZARDOUSLY HANDSOME girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest RUclipsr worldwide, it is really incredible. Yet you did not mention it at all. I am VERY disappointed, dear were
@@AxxLAfriku you need to calm down on the acid buddy.
Bruh The Marine and 12 rounds were like my favourite movies 😂. Just great seeing your favourite wrestler in a movie
@@AxxLAfriku they look like dudes
I disagree. Marine 1, See No Evil, Condemned, 12 Rounds, and Oculus were all decent movies. I especially always really liked See No Evil.
12 rounds, the marine, and See no Evil were pretty good to me , everything else after that 😬😬😬
I love the 12 Rounds movies! The Marine 1 was enjoyable, I'm not a fan of horror movies so I've yet to see See No Evil. Everything else is very... YIKES!!! 😂
Condemned was better than all of them.
Calamari Plays Games See No Evil 2 is much better than the first
See no evil possibly one of the worst horror movies or all time
Kane’s performance as Jacob goodnight is what definitely saved the movie him killing people was awesome
"Kevin Dunn always wanted to win an Emmy, " - Jim Cornette
For all the dynamics behind the culture of board members of Turner that hated wrestling and felt that WCW was a waste of prime time for other movies; gotta say Vince and Kevin Dunn may share that attitude. "Performers", "superstars", "sports entertainment", these are all self conscious efforts to distance themselves from what wresting represented in the 80's. The obsession of wanting to win a tv credit or film in a way, is more significant to them than improving WWE. That's why AEW is growing in viewership.
I have seen parts of The Condemned but Walking Tall is awesome and it really showcased The Rock's first foray into playing the character he hasn't stopped playing ever since: calm cool badass with a heart of gold who does something in a forest.
It’s a good day when pav uploads
I know!
ngl i thought the first marine movie was the shit but now i realized that my delusional younger self just wanted to see cena do the same thing he did every monday night: beat ppl up and be invincible but in movies
The fact that Dave Bautista, John Cena and Dwayne Johnson have all been in good to decent movies giving great performances shows that problem isn’t the actors/wrestlers; it’s that Vince is bad at producing and managing movies.
Whenever I watch your videos I feel like I'm going back in time to my childhood 😅 Keep up the good work
Could WWE Studios score an Academy Award nomination?
In the words of Vince McMahon…
NO CHANCE IN HELL!
If Eddie wouldn’t have passed away I think he would have gone into movies . He was so naturally funny and charismatic. He could have easily saved WWE Films
Bingo’ .. Eddie was made for the media / movie transition (RIP) ..
I honestly believe that the real factor that set McMahon off into trying to be a movie mogul was the surprise success of Roddy Piper in John Carpenter's "They Live".
Of all members of the old WWF roster, Piper's role had people calling him an up and coming star and Vince was astonished that the middle aged heel could be SO DAMN popular, and nobody paid Hogan a bit of notice.
A year later: Hogan was in the official first WWF movie, "No Holds Barred". And the public agreed with the Hulkster about the smell of that amazing picture.
"Dookey!"
As soon as clicked it reminded me of marine and 12 rounds. Some childhood memories
There's a film called "Dead Man Down" that WWE produced. Some legit actors like Colin Farrell, Dominic Cooper, Terrence Howard and Noomi Rapace came out. Pretty solid action film.
I was about to comment about this myself, it’s a decent movie
Yo that’s crazy I had no idea Robert Patrick was in the marine movie, 16 years later they’re together again in the peacemaker series, that’s great
I always wanted to watch See No Evil as a kid Kane had like the perfect role in that movie and that trailer looked insane as a kid
Fascinating to learn how poorly Condemned did in theaters, my friend and I saw it when we were younger and enjoyed it but I haven't seen it since.
When Pav drops a video I drop my responsibilities 😂
I still hold See no evil 2 in high regard. It’s a neat slasher in the likes of Hatchet. A tribute to the yesteryears of Horror… done properly unlike the first film.
The characters and actors are fun, Kane as Jacob is awesome, the kills are brutal, and the final two kills are severely unexpected along with the ending. They did a good job on that one
There was a sequel?
I personally didn't like the 2nd one, but thought the first was ok
Love hatchet
The only WWE movie that I actually liked was The Marine 1. Everything else has no right to exist.
Facts
LMFAOOOO FR
The call was fire
Oculus was also pretty good
The condemned wasn’t too bad
fun fact:
robert patrick is now peacemaker's father on tv series
It’s come full circle
Seeing people's admiration for Vince Mcmahon is eye-opening.
you listing off the nine Marine movies made me want to binge watch them lmfaoo...
The dark side of Tubi...
Lol
What do you mean
@@jaredbingham9018 practically all these movies are on that joint
Who remembers when that one backstage segment when Triple H threatened The Miz (who was with Damien Mizdow) that “Miz if you ever barge into my office, barking orders at me again, your little straight-to-DVD career goes straight to the unemployment line!) 😂 cuz HHH buried his own movie department in WWE Studios
Fighting with my Family counts right? I’m surprised he didn’t bring it up in here, thought it was really good despite it not being 100% accurate to Paige’s career🤷♂️
Waking tall was probably the best out of all. Love the ending scene when he pulls the guys over says you got a tail light out. And hits his tail light with the big 2x4🤣🤣🤣
My favs from WWE are the original Marine, 12 Rounds, Legendary and The Reunion. Plus, you didn't mention Fighting with My Family, which they also produced and I actually really enjoyed.
Honestly while they might not be Hollywood Blockbuster movies I really enjoyed The Marine,12 Rounds,See No Evil and The Condemned
See No Evil was a pretty good movie. I think the movie would of worked if it was made in the 80's with the other slasher type movie.
I thought the Chaperone, Legendary, and Knucklehead were in theaters but they were only there for 2 weeks, then were on Netflix and DVD right after
Ya knucklehead was funny as hell as a kid, I remember when the dad came back home and started yelling at everyone and big show speared him 🤣🤣
The Rundown and Oculus are genuinely great films. They have a bunch of duds, but I’m grateful for those 2 great films.
oculus was great and decently regarded... yet no one besides you and or two others is mentioning it here
🗣: You wanna save your wife because you love her, right?
Young Pav: *Well yes, but actually, no.*
I haven't watched wrestling in like 4-5 years now but this came up in my feed. I remembered going out my way when I was very obsessed at age 12 to watch 12 Rounds, because it was showing on TV one night. Dolph Ziggler being there was really surprising, I really wanted to watch a wrestler act in a film lmao 😭
AND OH MY GOD SANTA'S LITTLE HELPER TOO. Remembering that film existing gave me strange flashbacks that made my head actually ache for a bit
Your so underrated the way you talk with that tone makes the video entertaining it keeps it going i hope good things come ur way 🙏🏻
Here in Belgium there's a television network that does this 'Hollywood Night' thing every thursday in which they're showing the 'coolest' blockbusters. And every thursday it's one of the wwe movies like The Marine 4 or that police movie with Edge and Lana. I swear Vince has a contract with a random a§s belgian channel and if it's not WWE it's some Steven seagal movie
I’d say the two best movies I’ve seen from WWE Studios were The Condemned and Oculus. Haven’t ever got around to watching 12 Rounds but I think I might one day just for the hell of it
The later Marine movies were decent, though. I also could say that I saw 12 Rounds in theaters.
It’s nice that at 11 minutes in you finally acknowledge that movies make money through other means, although you don’t seem to really grasp how large of a market rentals were. Oculus is also notable for being a Mile Flanagan film, who has gone on to make some truly great products for Netflix.
See No Evil was awesome! I just loved getting to see Kane as a sadistic killer! Also The Condemned and Fighting With My Family we're both awesome
When I first saw the intro for John CenA The Marine, I hadn’t cringed so bad in my life.
It's amazing to see how early John Xina's career as a tool began.
8:00 I still dont really get why they didnt make See No Evil as a movie adaptation of Kane & The Undertaker's backstory, the story's already there
I actually enjoyed The Condemned a lot, surprised that it bombed at the box office
Same, but tbf Austin is a bad actor. He literally just used his wrestling gimmick lmao
1:25 Sheamus is taking notes
i never got around to seeing "see no evil" but i saw "see no evil 2" only because it was directed by the Soska Sisters, who had done great work previously. and had Danielle Harris and Katherine Isabelle in the cast. but man it was boring, cheap looking, felt like they cut corners at every opportunity. maybe the budget was cut at the last minute or maybe they had to shoot the whole movie in like 12 days but holy shit it was bad.
I always thought this studio existed as a way to get wrestler's health insurance via the SAG
The condemned is one of my all time favourites, love the movie from start to finish
I opened RUclips to look for a specific video. I see that you uploaded a new video and I forgot about everything else and click it
The only WWE movie I fully watched was The Condemned and I loved it, it was "The Hunger Games starring Stone Cold Steve Austin", what wasn't there to love? I also remember the "May 19th storyline" for See No Evil and how much it scared me.
Unfortunately, Condemned came out before Hunger Games films, so marketing couldn't bank on that to sell the movie as, you know, avid young adult readers weren't the target of the flick.
@@lukeripa Too ahead of its time.
@@lukeripa Actually, what if the Hunger Games was actually based on The Condemned? I know it's actually based on Battle Royale, but it's still funny to think about lol.
The Marine movies are equivalent to the Sharknado movies 😭
The Condemned was criminally underrated. I've always felt Austin n Dean Ambrose had tremendous potential to make it big, Austin especially is a far better entertainer, can be great with both serious as well as comical roles, just like the Rock. He should've at least gone much further than Cena n Batista.
In all fairness Batista was featured in the highest grossing movie of all time and has even carved out a place for himself as a beloved character in Drax. I find Dave far more enjoyable in movies than Cena or Rock tbh but that’s just my opinion
@@FishJesus420 Yeah I'm talking about who is objectively doing better of course. Dwayne has carried many blockbusters on his own and is currently the second highest paid actor in Hollywood. Very few A listers can match The Rock with his energy, promotions, interviews, social media.
@@leofangd8501 oh yeah the rock is great and a very stand up guy given the position he’s in. He seemingly hasn’t let it go to his head at all and he exudes a humble confidence that not many in Hollywood have.
@@FishJesus420 True, he's very likeable as a person, that's why he has lasted so long. Like Cena wants to get to that spot so bad, puts in so much effort and still no one outside WWE cares. Its hilarious how Batista being a laid back chill guy got so far ahead of him without even trying that hard.
@@leofangd8501 yeah Cena belongs in a ring imo. But that Hollywood money be treating him well so good for him. And everyone talks about the make a wish thing and acknowledge it’s a great thing he does but the affect that must have on him mentally must be taxing. He knows these kids don’t have much longer and he meets with them to have a personal interaction getting to know them. Their hopes, dreams, aspirations knowing full well they’re gonna die soon. I will always respect him for that
No One Lives (2012) is my favourite WWE film and one of my favourite horror films period. It stars Luke Evans as the lovechild of Jigsaw and Patrick Bateman and it's glorious and gory.
Oh and also Brodus Clay was in it for a few minutes.
I didn’t mind SEE NO EVIL, I enjoyed it honestly.
I think I've determined my favorite Wrestlingifs quote. "What a time to be alive" just makes everything from around then seem top tier which compared to now it is
14minutes of bliss🔥
Growing up I was a huge fan of WWE and Superheros, now seeing John Cena, Batista, The Rock playing Superheros in the big screen mahes me so happy. Feels like I'm 12 again.
I just had to listen cause I know WWE Studios is still around and deals with Netflix, GSN and other networks, so technically its not a failure since it's still in the positive.
I came across a movie called "Buddy Games" that they were involved with, if only because they featured Sheamus as a pawnbroker.
I haven’t seen it in forever but I remember loving “Legendary” with Cena and Danny Glover.
Actually, The Marine was a success at the box office (despite mixed reviews). The only 3 movies WWE Films flopped in theaters were See No Evil, The Condemned, and 12 Rounds. At least both Cena films were very underrated, See No Evil just didn't aged well because it's still not a good horror movie.
Crazy seeing the Marine and then Peacemaker back to back
Like the villain is now his dad?!!? Wtf
The Call is my favorite. I love See No Evil just because I love horror but it’s really not that bad. I didn’t even know Oculus was a WWE produced film
I always love the music you put in the background of your videos
Imagine if WWE decided to reboot a classic: Ready to Rumble in 2022 😂😂😂 just saying
Lol
This isnt disney
Your instrumentals in the back are LEGENDARY. When you played Threat By Jay-Z, I was hype
I agree about the movies but the cartoons ain't that bad. A little cheesy but very well written and original compared do the real life action ones. Loved the Scooby Doo and Flinstones spin-off
The scooby doo movie I enjoyed actually lol
I’ve been waiting for something like this amazing!
See no evil is low key one of the best horror movies
I still love Marine 1, 12 rounds, Rundown, Walking Tall, and Scorpion King. They're good to me dam it
Can confirm, when you're 12, a lot of movies are better than you remember.... lol
That beat at the start of the video brung back some memories
The Call was actually a pretty decent movie to be honest. They should've just named the studio something else instead of having that stigma attached to it!
I remember watching The Condemned and The Chaperone as a kid and liking them so much for some reason
I actually liked some of the Wwe movies it's a joy trying to find the good ones and fun to laugh at the bad ones
Given the rumor that Vince wanted to show Kane's you know what (three feet), of course he'd hire such director for See No Evil.