absolutely crushed this explanition in 3 minutes, granted i watched 2 other videos and this one 3 times lol but the side by side comparison really gave context + the shooting comparison brought it home. Thank you.
Dude thank you so much for this video! Like Cine EI actually makes sense now haha! I'm surprised you only have 895 subscribers because your videos are just so well made! Keep it up!
bro, you explained it in such a practical manner! just by placing split screen of with and without EI mode! thanks champ.. liked and subscribed you at that very moment.. even before finishing the whole video. thanks mate! cheers from India. :)
probably spent days looking for most concise and easy to understand explanation of cine ai and use. this by far is the easiest to understand and it is only 3mins long!
Well, slog requires overexposing what’s annoying as you can’t see how the final image looks like. So if you lower down the EI you can forget about overexposing and focus on exposing normally while your footage will be overexposed by 1 or 2 stops (or whatever EI you choose)
@@megreilley3866it only see the difference when the Lut is enabled on the camera when you change the Ei values. What might make it easier is if you adjust the EI first. before using adjusting the ND or aputure. If you want cleaner blacks. Lower the Ei. It’s also essentially moving the dynamic range where you want it. If you want more detail in the shadows lower the EI.
Can you please bless us with a video on the proper Zebra settings for the FX6 and best practices for using auto variable ND. The way you teach is so clear and to the point. Much appreciated.
I get the general concept, but for me, the video I shoot is not for paid work so I just stick to Flexible ISO. It just makes more sense to me to adjust the ISO in-camera as I shoot. If I lose a stop or two of dynamic range in the process, it's really not a big deal. Great explanation!
@@maxsautner I believe it was the James Bond movie Skyfall where the DoP, Roger Deakins, became angry when he learned that the 2nd unit had simply raised the EI to 2000 to adjust their exposure (perhaps for high speed)
Thank you very much. Just challenged myself to learn to shoot slog3 and everyone's explanation is just adding a LUT -_- Would like to see a video about grading and maybe a voiceover of you using cine ei on a client's job.
I have many times wondered why I would like to see on the screen, "how the scene will look when the exposure has been downcreased in the edit". Maybe it's nice but does it make sense? I think it's only dangerous because it misleads how far the highlights are from burning. So, when I adjust the exposure, I definitely want to see with my eyes whether the exposure is too high or how much I have overexposed. And when I use the zebra feature, that EI lowering lower than ISO is sabotaging that Zebra.
Thanks for this vid! Nevertheless, there's still something I'm struggling with. What is the difference with using flexible ISO, set it to native, intentionally overexpose your footage as generally recommended when shooting in SLOG? The only difference I understand is that in the end, I can see the "final" result on the screen when using EI, instead of having overexposed image ...
That's right. Image quality is the same. Only thing is that with EI the post processing (turn down exposure) is safe in the metadata of the clip file and with some programs automatically adjusted
Great explanation! Although it took you a long time to make the video as you said, I think it was totally worth it from the viewer’s perspective. 🎬🎥😎 Also, it looks you’ve achieved your goal of getting 1K subscribers. Congrats! Keep up the good work.
so is it even useful to work with the base iso of 12800 at night? especially if you don't have any huge light sources to fill the shadows and shot with iso 200?
@@maxsautner When shooting at night, I usually kept the ISO value as low as possible and increased the light, as you explained in your video. How is the footage at night if I set the ISO to 12800 (for example if you don't have huge light sources)? For me it just feels wrong to use an ISO value of 12800 at night. Should I possibly set the value to 3200ei in order to overexpose by 2 stops like you did with the 800iso footage or is the footage still usable in the dark? Or to put it another way: for which situations does it make sense to use such a high ISO?
So it is basicly shooting 2 stop over exposed to feed the shadows with light and than reducing it 2 stops in post so you have the cleanest shadows right? (and doing this on the base iso so that camera has the cleanest image it can capture.)
if we were to shoot at 3200EI then we should put the base iso at 12800 and then expose correctly with NDs etc? (because as you mentioned we have to shoot lower than the base ISO and not higher)
I appreciate this so much, even still I struggle to understand fully but you definitely brought me closer. I'll take som test shots with the information you provided. Thanks
I've seen a number of videos where the monitor our VF output gets darker when Cine EI is adjust lower, but I never see that happen with my FX9. It never changes brightness or darkness in the display of VF. What am I doing wrong?
You have to have a MLUT (Monitor LUT applied to your EVF ) usually this would be s709 or the older 709 (800) MLUT .. then the image will be darker , if you lower the EI value . eg 800 to 400 (1 stop) you see this and then open up your iris / apply more light etc , to make the image properly exposed . You are burning in an exposure off set intentionally and uniformly , in this case over exposing by 1 stop , without having to have a one stop over exposed image in your EVF ,as you would just be over exposing 1 stop. It's like how you would use a light metre and film . Film can says 800IE on the label , you set your meter to 400EI because you like to over expose it 1 stop for this scene / shot. Sony have adopted this same work flow with their version of EI mode.
so if im on a low light scene i shoud put the Cine EI on 800 and not on 12800? I thought i needed the higher EI in low light situations because of the missing light in the shadows. I also dont get it when u say we need to lower EI for better shadows, EI is always locked in 800 or 12800 right?
No, ISO ist the sensitivity and CINE EI is a way to expose the image. When you're in CINE EI mode, you can switch between 800 and 12800 ISO, to make the image brighter. CINE EI is an exposure option. I have produced another example video here: ruclips.net/video/ol5Kq8_8_1s/видео.htmlsi=D0jiywyi10CF45_z
For example: What would happen if I am filming at night on the street and even using my HBase (2500 since I have the fx30) and widest aperture my scene still looks dark? Then I cannot decrease my EI number to overexpose afterwords since I don’t have any other way to obtain light. This is my only doubt about CINE EI
Is there a possibility that the image I see after adjusting the EI has no overexposed spots but the footage I record has? Hope you get the question :) But your explanation really helped!
@@maxsautner Yes I get that, but is there a possibility thaI record them clipped highlights but they were still visible on the monitor during the shoot?
so it's like overexposing your footage normally in situations where you don't have highlights you want to protect so that your shadows are cleaner. only difference is with cine exposure index you get to preview the shot correctly instead of it being overexposed :))
Thanks a lot this was so helpful and clear. Any hints on how correctly expose to start with? Grey card with zebra at 41%? Thank you! EDIT: I watched your other video - Zebra 41% with Grey Card is the answer!
Can you tell me if this is correct? You only have 2 Base ISOs that you can choose from in Cine EI. When changing the EI values in your camera you're not actually changing anything with the exposure of your real image file... it only changes how you see the image in your monitor. The reason to adjust your EI values are only for you to see how to adjust the exposure through lighting, ND, or Aperture, So if you want clean shadows you lower your EI value. This darkens the scene in your monitor and you realize you need to bring in more lights for your subject to be properly exposed because everything has gotten darker. Then when you bring this footage into your grading software all looks overexposed. But you'll just bring down the exposure to correctly expose your subject and your shadows will be clean! Is this correct?
Hello, when you are in flexible ISO mode on the FX3 and you use the dial to set it to 12,000 ISO, does it automatically switch to high ISO, or are you still in low ISO at 12,000? nice Video :P
Flexible ISO is not EI mode , its just like normal baking in a higher / lower ISO .. EI is not ISO , this is one of the main points EI is exposure index , its been around for years in film as this is how you would set you light metre , from what the manufacturer recommended on the can. And then set your meter to higher or lower EI if you wanted to under / over expose the film . But flexible ISO still has the two base ISO levels for the gamma curve you are using as per Sonys recommendation anyway . S cinetone dual ISO is not the same Slog. And also changes between different Sony cameras .
It was the "cleanest" explenation, but I still don't understand. So changing the exposure index is only to preview on your monitor?? It still only records in the base ISOs. Did I understand correctly? EDIT*** I think I understand. Like I mentioned above... and in the video example it says - for filming highlights shoot at the base IOS EI, to get the most details, do not over expose. For shadows, bring down the EI to have more detail in the shadows (results in over exposing the shot, to correct in post)? Did I get it now? lol
If you use Catalyst Browse the CineEI values are retained in the metadata. For example, CINE EI Values (eg, 800 base, 200EI applied) will automatically be applied in Catalyst Browse to your footage. This, unfortunately, is not yet supported in Resolve.
Yeah, sadly... this would also help a lot of editors, cause they are also "colorists" most of the time... and u often see overexposed or not correctly normalised footage..
I’m not sure what you mean. When I open Resolve, the EI values are retained/shown. I have to go to “Camera Raw” and choose “Decode Clip>Sony default to return the Exposure to the base ISO setting.
Ah i think i finally got it, make it look darker in preview, then compensate with actually adding more light (turn down nd etc) for it to look correct in the preview, which makes THE FILE/VIDEO overexposed and then turn down exposure in post?
for sony fx3, before CINE EI firmware update, base iso slog3 used to be 640 and 12.800. i am NOT using cine ei mode, but i see now everyone saying base iso is 800 and 12.800. has this changed with the update? or i still need to be at 640 if i dont use the cine ei for the low base iso ? thanks
mate big question, i just got my fx6. I want to view the footage I'm shooting through some kind of LUT on-location so it looks "done" while I'm filming, however I want it recorded in S-Log so I can grade it to look *done* myself. Is this possible using the monitor that comes with the camera? Or do I require an additional external monitor? I feel a bit stumped with this, but shooting and seeing SLOG is so dull and boring on location. Help!
Why don't they just put waveforms in the camera so you can accurately gauge the shadow levels? (or false color, or zebra's that go below the middle gray point?)
ill need to watch this a few times, I feel I still dont get it lol. Luckily my zv-e1 does not have Cine EI but I would be just the type of nerd to use it
This is my 6th video on this and I think I got it from your video. So basically the EI is like a false way of showing you what your image would look like if you were using that iso. So re exposing it to what it shows in the viewfinder correctly will give you the exposure result you saw in view finder…I think lol I’ll watch again
Exactly, you change the monitor brightness only > image appears too dark > you correct it with exposure. And in the monitor, you see how it'll look later after pulling down the intentionally overexposed footage. Actually very very simple, but this topic is hard to explain in a "simple" way.. But I´m glad, that u got it! 😎
@@maxsautner yea I think what people struggle with is, why is this important? like people get what's happening but they aren't sure why it needs to be used. Thanks though keep up the good work sub from me
a better way to think about it is cine ei are just LUTS. They are labeled dumb. so you have to remember which one is better if you have a lot of highlights and which is better if you have a lot of shadows. i think? i only have a sony a7iv so cant shoot cine ei yet. but i feel like its no different than me having multiple luts in my monitor and i use the 2+ stops lut if there are a lot of shadows and the 0+ if there are a lot of highlights. And dont change the iso away from the base iso's.
i don´t get it at all. layman as i am. i always thought, you use low iso for shots with lots of highlights burning out, and higher iso in low light situations. am i fundamentally wrong here? here the recommendation is to use low iso in low light. why? cause it forces you to open up iris? to get more info in shadows? but what if i don´t want to open up iris?
When you say monitor, do you mean external monitor, or does your LCD screen count? I'm using the FX3, and I don't have that histogram on the bottom right you are using for exposure. Is this available only through an external monitor?
You’re looking at it backwards. It can sort of “force” you into a different exposure, but fundamentally it’s a “look” tool. If you don’t expose within the bounds of the sensor’s base ISO, EI can’t recover the far ends of the exposure.
Moin max 🙃 das heißt also ich kann die Helligkeit auch über die blende steuern 🤔 weil ein andere RUclipsr hat gesagt.. Es gibt nur die möglich über Licht oder nd Filter..
Genau, du stellst ISO zwischen 800 und 12800 ein, Shutter bleibt auf 180 grad oder das doppelte deiner framerate, dann bleibt dir noch die Blende, ND und dein Licht setup zum belichten. Viel Erfolg! 🤙
So to break it down even simpler. It’s ALWAYS going to record in the two base ISOs, but you adjust the EI value so it looks good in the monitor? So you know what it looks like when you adjust the footage in post?? Lol Cine EI mode confuses me. I
Yes, exactly. It always records in the chosen native ISO, but the monitor shows you the final image after post. Just try it @ home, once u have done it, its funny how simple it is...
I'm more confused after watching this lol... I can change Cine EI but my footage doesnt change, only on camera. So what's the point if i'm not actually doing anything to the footage? Huh?
Basically you're lowering the screen brightness so that you can overexpose your footage in order to capture more light information! (Explain to a 5 year old version)
Hi buddy, my settings are set to this: ISO 800 - High 800 (no overexposure), Mid 400 (1 stop overexposure), Low 200 (2 stops overexposure) ISO 12,800 - High 12,800 (no overexposure), Mid 6,400 (1 stop overexposure), Low 3,200 (2 stops overexposure)
Never knew about this topic but would like to know more. Exposure related content is always interesting. Hybrid shooter. Currently shooting on an A1 with 80% of my time doing stills. Regardless. Enjoying your content and style.
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This is BY FAR the best explanation I've seen. I'm a visual learner so this was explained perfectly. Subscribed!
Thank you! Nice to hear!
Seriously though. This was the best way to explain it simply. Well done, Max.
Man, by FAR, the “cleanest” explanation of Cine EI so far. Thank you!!!
Thanks buddy!
This is probably the most succinct explanation of CineEI which I thankfully was able to give over to my director lol.
hahah thank you! 😄
i have been looking for this video for a long time.... the best explanation ever!!!
I finally understand what Cine EI is and how to use it properly, thx to THIS video.
Yeah! 🤟😎
absolutely crushed this explanition in 3 minutes, granted i watched 2 other videos and this one 3 times lol but the side by side comparison really gave context + the shooting comparison brought it home. Thank you.
😎👍 thanks!
Dude thank you so much for this video! Like Cine EI actually makes sense now haha! I'm surprised you only have 895 subscribers because your videos are just so well made! Keep it up!
hahah thank you! I just moved into a new home, now more videos are coming! 🥳
Thanks! This is the clearest explanation I've heard so far.
Thanks! Glad you like it.
Subscribe for more! 🤙
Congrats on over 1k subs 🎉😊
Thank you!! 😁
bro, you explained it in such a practical manner! just by placing split screen of with and without EI mode! thanks champ.. liked and subscribed you at that very moment.. even before finishing the whole video. thanks mate! cheers from India. :)
I’m doing a breakdown of the Sony FX9 for my job and this is by far the best explanation I’ve come across. Brilliant
Thanks buddy! Happy to hear it!
Hello friend, I'm Brazilian and you made me understand Cine IE very well and the exposure index, congratulations on the channel
Happy to hear that!
I have already worked with log and cine ei but i have always been a little unsure about it, your video really helped me
probably spent days looking for most concise and easy to understand explanation of cine ai and use. this by far is the easiest to understand and it is only 3mins long!
Thanks man!
the best explanation on the web about CINE EI
Thanks buddy! ✌️
Great video man, congrats on the 1000 subs!
Thank you buddy! 🤝😎
I switched from a Canon C300 to a Sony Fx9 last year, your explanation helps a lot! Much thanks!
glad u like it!
You explained it perfectly!! Thank you so much for the effort
Video number 127, and still don’t get it. Or see the point
Ug me either. I think? It’s just a way to make the monitor look correctly exposed while the footage is overexposed?
Well, slog requires overexposing what’s annoying as you can’t see how the final image looks like.
So if you lower down the EI you can forget about overexposing and focus on exposing normally while your footage will be overexposed by 1 or 2 stops (or whatever EI you choose)
@@megreilley3866it only see the difference when the Lut is enabled on the camera when you change the Ei values.
What might make it easier is if you adjust the EI first. before using adjusting the ND or aputure.
If you want cleaner blacks. Lower the Ei.
It’s also essentially moving the dynamic range where you want it.
If you want more detail in the shadows lower the EI.
Can you please bless us with a video on the proper Zebra settings for the FX6 and best practices for using auto variable ND. The way you teach is so clear and to the point. Much appreciated.
Actually a great idea! give some time, ill make one!
Ok now I need to get FX30 this holiday season and start playing around with it
I'm not even a sony user and i enjoyed and understood it very well! Subscribed! I hope i can shoot in log someday
thank you!
Well done. Beautifully explained.
Many thanks!
I get the general concept, but for me, the video I shoot is not for paid work so I just stick to Flexible ISO. It just makes more sense to me to adjust the ISO in-camera as I shoot. If I lose a stop or two of dynamic range in the process, it's really not a big deal. Great explanation!
Hi buddy! You're right! its enough for 90% of all kind of content...
If you only knew what I've seen even on expensive movie sets... 😂
@@maxsautner I believe it was the James Bond movie Skyfall where the DoP, Roger Deakins, became angry when he learned that the 2nd unit had simply raised the EI to 2000 to adjust their exposure (perhaps for high speed)
Great explanation. Looking forward to more vids from you 🎬🎬
Thank you buddy!
Hi max, great explanation keep going, wishing you the best for all the sucess , God bless you from india
thank you man!
Thanks Max, this is easy to follow and yes, helped me understand what to do a lot easier.
Thanks for the clear explanation, I finally understand it :)
Amazing to hear! See u in the next one!
Thank you very much. Just challenged myself to learn to shoot slog3 and everyone's explanation is just adding a LUT -_- Would like to see a video about grading and maybe a voiceover of you using cine ei on a client's job.
that's a great idea!
I´ll plan that one! stay tuned!
I have many times wondered why I would like to see on the screen, "how the scene will look when the exposure has been downcreased in the edit".
Maybe it's nice but does it make sense? I think it's only dangerous because it misleads how far the highlights are from burning. So, when I adjust the exposure, I definitely want to see with my eyes whether the exposure is too high or how much I have overexposed. And when I use the zebra feature, that EI lowering lower than ISO is sabotaging that Zebra.
no not really... but I have a lot of requests... I´ll make a video with an example setup and editing it afterwards.
subscribe and give me some weeks!
A great explanation of Cine EI!
The only video make me understand the first 50% of the point of the cine ei
Thanks for this vid!
Nevertheless, there's still something I'm struggling with.
What is the difference with using flexible ISO, set it to native, intentionally overexpose your footage as generally recommended when shooting in SLOG?
The only difference I understand is that in the end, I can see the "final" result on the screen when using EI, instead of having overexposed image ...
That's right. Image quality is the same. Only thing is that with EI the post processing (turn down exposure) is safe in the metadata of the clip file and with some programs automatically adjusted
Yep! that's right. Just a more pleasant and save workflow 🤷🏻♂️
How the low light concept works for cine Ei for Fx3 where we Dont have zebra lines on the waveform?
Sony FX3 has zebras, u have to set them up properly and turn on.
I programmed my zebras to a custom button to switch them on & off
Great explanation!
Although it took you a long time to make the video as you said, I think it was totally worth it from the viewer’s perspective. 🎬🎥😎
Also, it looks you’ve achieved your goal of getting 1K subscribers. Congrats!
Keep up the good work.
Glad it was helpful!
Yeah! next goal is 5k, but its not about the numbers, only for my personal motivation! 😁
so is it even useful to work with the base iso of 12800 at night? especially if you don't have any huge light sources to fill the shadows and shot with iso 200?
Yes it is, I do use 12800 iso for events for example, but I don't understand the rest of your question with iso 200... give me some examples
@@maxsautner When shooting at night, I usually kept the ISO value as low as possible and increased the light, as you explained in your video. How is the footage at night if I set the ISO to 12800 (for example if you don't have huge light sources)? For me it just feels wrong to use an ISO value of 12800 at night. Should I possibly set the value to 3200ei in order to overexpose by 2 stops like you did with the 800iso footage or is the footage still usable in the dark? Or to put it another way: for which situations does it make sense to use such a high ISO?
So it is basicly shooting 2 stop over exposed to feed the shadows with light and than reducing it 2 stops in post so you have the cleanest shadows right?
(and doing this on the base iso so that camera has the cleanest image it can capture.)
Yep! Exactly
200EI Helps expose 2 stops over use
if we were to shoot at 3200EI then we should put the base iso at 12800 and then expose correctly with NDs etc? (because as you mentioned we have to shoot lower than the base ISO and not higher)
DANKE. QU: on a sunny day outside just 100 iso or cine log...?
I appreciate this so much, even still I struggle to understand fully but you definitely brought me closer. I'll take som test shots with the information you provided. Thanks
I've seen a number of videos where the monitor our VF output gets darker when Cine EI is adjust lower, but I never see that happen with my FX9. It never changes brightness or darkness in the display of VF. What am I doing wrong?
You have to have a MLUT (Monitor LUT applied to your EVF ) usually this would be s709 or the older 709 (800) MLUT .. then the image will be darker , if you lower the EI value . eg 800 to 400 (1 stop) you see this and then open up your iris / apply more light etc , to make the image properly exposed . You are burning in an exposure off set intentionally and uniformly , in this case over exposing by 1 stop , without having to have a one stop over exposed image in your EVF ,as you would just be over exposing 1 stop. It's like how you would use a light metre and film . Film can says 800IE on the label , you set your meter to 400EI because you like to over expose it 1 stop for this scene / shot. Sony have adopted this same work flow with their version of EI mode.
Yep, u have to turn on the MLUT on your monitor
Comparing CINE EI vs Cinetone on the fx6 for a quick turnaround edit and trying to match with a Ronin 4D what would you suggest?
You mean the Slog vs s-Cinetone?
S-Cinetone is a picture profile, and CINE EI is a way to expose S-Log3...
We went with Slog and Rec 709 and they matched up beautifully.@@maxsautner
so if im on a low light scene i shoud put the Cine EI on 800 and not on 12800? I thought i needed the higher EI in low light situations because of the missing light in the shadows. I also dont get it when u say we need to lower EI for better shadows, EI is always locked in 800 or 12800 right?
No, ISO ist the sensitivity and CINE EI is a way to expose the image.
When you're in CINE EI mode, you can switch between 800 and 12800 ISO, to make the image brighter.
CINE EI is an exposure option.
I have produced another example video here: ruclips.net/video/ol5Kq8_8_1s/видео.htmlsi=D0jiywyi10CF45_z
great vid - love ur grayscale studio...
is cine ei only for monitors then ? if not can i have an example with just the camera
Since I got a TON of similar requests, I'll make a live example while shooting and editing it afterwards. Stay tuned!
For example: What would happen if I am filming at night on the street and even using my HBase (2500 since I have the fx30) and widest aperture my scene still looks dark? Then I cannot decrease my EI number to overexpose afterwords since I don’t have any other way to obtain light. This is my only doubt about CINE EI
Wonderful job making a 3 minute version of this topic. The frequent push in zoom out movement on clips is distracting in my opinion, but you do you.
Thank you!!! This was very helpful!
You're welcome buddy!
Is there a possibility that the image I see after adjusting the EI has no overexposed spots but the footage I record has? Hope you get the question :) But your explanation really helped!
Hey!
Yes! the footage looks normal exposed in the monitor but recorded overexposed on purpose.
@@maxsautner Yes I get that, but is there a possibility thaI record them clipped highlights but they were still visible on the monitor during the shoot?
@@JimibobThun yes. If you lower your EI, you could potentially be clipping highlights but it’s hard to tell on the monitor.
so it's like overexposing your footage normally in situations where you don't have highlights you want to protect so that your shadows are cleaner. only difference is with cine exposure index you get to preview the shot correctly instead of it being overexposed :))
yep, exactly
Thanks a lot this was so helpful and clear. Any hints on how correctly expose to start with? Grey card with zebra at 41%? Thank you!
EDIT: I watched your other video - Zebra 41% with Grey Card is the answer!
Hahaha I just searched the link to my other one, and saw your edited comment. 🤟😁
But yeah, 41 is right buddy
Perfectly explained!
Vielen Dank!
Amazing 👍
Thank you!
Can you tell me if this is correct? You only have 2 Base ISOs that you can choose from in Cine EI. When changing the EI values in your camera you're not actually changing anything with the exposure of your real image file... it only changes how you see the image in your monitor. The reason to adjust your EI values are only for you to see how to adjust the exposure through lighting, ND, or Aperture, So if you want clean shadows you lower your EI value. This darkens the scene in your monitor and you realize you need to bring in more lights for your subject to be properly exposed because everything has gotten darker. Then when you bring this footage into your grading software all looks overexposed. But you'll just bring down the exposure to correctly expose your subject and your shadows will be clean! Is this correct?
i love you man!!! the best video about cine ie
Thanks bro! 🫶
Hello, when you are in flexible ISO mode on the FX3 and you use the dial to set it to 12,000 ISO, does it automatically switch to high ISO, or are you still in low ISO at 12,000? nice Video :P
Hi man! Flexible ISO is FLEXIBLE iso 😁 that means, you can switch flexible between the values. in cine ei u can only switch between 800 and 12800 iso.
Flexible ISO is not EI mode , its just like normal baking in a higher / lower ISO .. EI is not ISO , this is one of the main points EI is exposure index , its been around for years in film as this is how you would set you light metre , from what the manufacturer recommended on the can. And then set your meter to higher or lower EI if you wanted to under / over expose the film . But flexible ISO still has the two base ISO levels for the gamma curve you are using as per Sonys recommendation anyway . S cinetone dual ISO is not the same Slog. And also changes between different Sony cameras .
It was the "cleanest" explenation, but I still don't understand. So changing the exposure index is only to preview on your monitor?? It still only records in the base ISOs. Did I understand correctly?
EDIT*** I think I understand. Like I mentioned above... and in the video example it says - for filming highlights shoot at the base IOS EI, to get the most details, do not over expose. For shadows, bring down the EI to have more detail in the shadows (results in over exposing the shot, to correct in post)?
Did I get it now? lol
Yes! U got it! 👊😎
Just overexposing for more shadow information in order to kill the noise, but still have a normal preview on the monitor..
So nicely explained. Thanks buddy!
great explanation! this cleared things up so much for me!
Glad it was helpful!
If you use Catalyst Browse the CineEI values are retained in the metadata. For example, CINE EI Values (eg, 800 base, 200EI applied) will automatically be applied in Catalyst Browse to your footage. This, unfortunately, is not yet supported in Resolve.
Yeah, sadly...
this would also help a lot of editors, cause they are also "colorists" most of the time...
and u often see overexposed or not correctly normalised footage..
I’m not sure what you mean. When I open Resolve, the EI values are retained/shown. I have to go to “Camera Raw” and choose “Decode Clip>Sony default to return the Exposure to the base ISO setting.
The Cine EI approach is pretty similar to the RED raw workflow it seems. interesting
I'll make some RED vids very soon! just got a sponsor for red cameras! super excited about!
Ah i think i finally got it, make it look darker in preview, then compensate with actually adding more light (turn down nd etc) for it to look correct in the preview, which makes THE FILE/VIDEO overexposed and then turn down exposure in post?
Right! Now DaVinci does it automatically, which makes the workflow and editing much easier!
Still dont understand? Isn’t this the same as just expose 1.7+ in normal mode to retain clean shadows? Thanks
You video look amazing what settings you used?
Awsome trick
Thanks man🙏🏼
Thank you!
Thanks for the vid man! Straightforward thank lawd
glad u liked it!
And NOW I understand it. Thank you! You earned a sub
happy for you buddy! Thx for the sub!
But if i dont use cine ei but expose in slog 3 4k 60 fps for example and 800 iso, is the same?
Get a light meter bro use exposure compensation at +2 and use the EI value as the iso in your meter
Danke! 'schöne Tischlerwerkstatt btw!
for sony fx3, before CINE EI firmware update, base iso slog3 used to be 640 and 12.800. i am NOT using cine ei mode, but i see now everyone saying base iso is 800 and 12.800. has this changed with the update? or i still need to be at 640 if i dont use the cine ei for the low base iso ? thanks
FX3 native iso ist 800 & 12.800, try to use only those two, to get the lowest noise and most dynamic range of the sensor.
mate big question, i just got my fx6. I want to view the footage I'm shooting through some kind of LUT on-location so it looks "done" while I'm filming, however I want it recorded in S-Log so I can grade it to look *done* myself. Is this possible using the monitor that comes with the camera? Or do I require an additional external monitor? I feel a bit stumped with this, but shooting and seeing SLOG is so dull and boring on location. Help!
Why don't they just put waveforms in the camera so you can accurately gauge the shadow levels? (or false color, or zebra's that go below the middle gray point?)
what do u mean? in the lower right corner is the waveform monitor...
best explanation, thx max
Glad it was helpful! 🫡
Thanks dude! This video really explained it well.
Glad it helped!
Very useful information I just thought ei was a gimmick but it actually looks like a really important tool
Oh yeah! it is! but try at home first, bevor on a client job! 🤓
Which EI do you place yours at in more shadows
In darker shots I go 2 stops down = EI 200
YES!! THANK YOU!!! I FINALLY GET IT!!
You're welcome buddy!
Du hast es perfekt erklärt, bravo!
Danke!
Great video, how did you do the zoom effect? Looks great
Thank you!
I made the zoom in & out on a adjustment layer so I can always copy and reuse them.
I“ll make a video about my workflow soon! Stay tuned!
@@maxsautner Looking forward to the next one!
im starting with the FX6, and idk what i did... but my image (in the camera's monitor) looks the same no matter what EI i use. :(
hm, strange...
Does the EI value change when you flip the switch?
Same here...
ill need to watch this a few times, I feel I still dont get it lol. Luckily my zv-e1 does not have Cine EI but I would be just the type of nerd to use it
This is my 6th video on this and I think I got it from your video. So basically the EI is like a false way of showing you what your image would look like if you were using that iso. So re exposing it to what it shows in the viewfinder correctly will give you the exposure result you saw in view finder…I think lol I’ll watch again
Exactly, you change the monitor brightness only > image appears too dark > you correct it with exposure.
And in the monitor, you see how it'll look later after pulling down the intentionally overexposed footage.
Actually very very simple, but this topic is hard to explain in a "simple" way..
But I´m glad, that u got it! 😎
@@maxsautner yea I think what people struggle with is, why is this important? like people get what's happening but they aren't sure why it needs to be used. Thanks though keep up the good work sub from me
a better way to think about it is cine ei are just LUTS. They are labeled dumb. so you have to remember which one is better if you have a lot of highlights and which is better if you have a lot of shadows. i think?
i only have a sony a7iv so cant shoot cine ei yet. but i feel like its no different than me having multiple luts in my monitor and i use the 2+ stops lut if there are a lot of shadows and the 0+ if there are a lot of highlights. And dont change the iso away from the base iso's.
i don´t get it at all. layman as i am. i always thought, you use low iso for shots with lots of highlights burning out, and higher iso in low light situations. am i fundamentally wrong here? here the recommendation is to use low iso in low light. why? cause it forces you to open up iris? to get more info in shadows? but what if i don´t want to open up iris?
Keep going
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When you say monitor, do you mean external monitor, or does your LCD screen count? I'm using the FX3, and I don't have that histogram on the bottom right you are using for exposure. Is this available only through an external monitor?
uhh, good question, as far, as I know, you can decide, if the cam gives you the clean feed or with the internal lut. (But not sure..)
Thank you!
You’re looking at it backwards. It can sort of “force” you into a different exposure, but fundamentally it’s a “look” tool. If you don’t expose within the bounds of the sensor’s base ISO, EI can’t recover the far ends of the exposure.
I found it the easiest way to understand
Moin max 🙃 das heißt also ich kann die Helligkeit auch über die blende steuern 🤔 weil ein andere RUclipsr hat gesagt.. Es gibt nur die möglich über Licht oder nd Filter..
Genau, du stellst ISO zwischen 800 und 12800 ein, Shutter bleibt auf 180 grad oder das doppelte deiner framerate, dann bleibt dir noch die Blende, ND und dein Licht setup zum belichten.
Viel Erfolg! 🤙
So to break it down even simpler. It’s ALWAYS going to record in the two base ISOs, but you adjust the EI value so it looks good in the monitor? So you know what it looks like when you adjust the footage in post?? Lol Cine EI mode confuses me. I
Yes, exactly.
It always records in the chosen native ISO, but the monitor shows you the final image after post.
Just try it @ home, once u have done it, its funny how simple it is...
Good video...maybe not so many digital zooms in and out. Gets a little annoying.
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EI stands for Exposure Index, should've say it in the beginning.
Didn't think of that, thought it was logical...
But why oh why no one in these tutorials can explain what these number values means??
Hey buddy! which numbers exactly?
I'm more confused after watching this lol... I can change Cine EI but my footage doesnt change, only on camera. So what's the point if i'm not actually doing anything to the footage? Huh?
Basically you're lowering the screen brightness so that you can overexpose your footage in order to capture more light information! (Explain to a 5 year old version)
@@xaponxagar8695that’s what I thought. It’s just a visual trick when you’re recording so you can see it better, cuz the footage doesn’t change. Right?
Subcribed
thank you!
So basically, the highest EI value we can go to is 12,800 and the lowest is 200 EI?
Hi buddy, my settings are set to this:
ISO 800 - High 800 (no overexposure), Mid 400 (1 stop overexposure), Low 200 (2 stops overexposure)
ISO 12,800 - High 12,800 (no overexposure), Mid 6,400 (1 stop overexposure), Low 3,200 (2 stops overexposure)
or if you're seeing a lot of noise in your shadows color grade correctly
😂 yyyyyeah...
Never knew about this topic but would like to know more. Exposure related content is always interesting.
Hybrid shooter. Currently shooting on an A1 with 80% of my time doing stills.
Regardless. Enjoying your content and style.
Thank you! See you in the next one!
Bist du n deutscher? 😊
Genauer gesagt gleich nebenan, wenn du aus Fürth kommst! 😎🤙
@@maxsautner hab früher bei cadolzburg und Schwabach gewohnt, aber mittlerweile bin ich in marktredwitz
@@MIMCKMedia Ja geil!
Wenn ich ein Auto zum filmen brauch, meld ich mich bei dir! 😁
I don't get it
watch over again and build a test setup and try step by step!
It's easier than u think.