Supreme Court's Grants Pass ruling to likely have major implications
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- The southern Oregon city tried to block people from sleeping and camping in public spaces, which SCOTUS said does not violate constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment.
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The Governor’s need to step up and work with these citizens, all construction being build is only for the wealthy or those that can afford them. The Low income and retirees on a fixed income have no where to go!!!! There is NO affordable housing being build. And this is nation wide!!!! Not everyone that is homeless is so by choice nor are they drug addicts.
Retirees aren't homeless. The NON working people are
I have two crackheads living literally on the back of my property directly on the property line. I have to listen to them fighting over crack every day with their foul mouths, illegal burning during fire season in the brush and the smell of their bodily waste since I'm down window while I tend my garden. Unless the fire catches my tree line on fire and endangers my home there is nothing I can do. Our town is full of these people and they've been getting away with it for years. I understand the homelessness but have no respect for the drug addicts since they have no respect for me or my property.
I have a person who has lived in a homemade shelter about 500 yds from my property. He's been there without air conditioning or heat, without potable water for almost 4 years. From the day that he knew me, he has watched my land. He calls me anytime he sees something wrong on the land. This year, I made him and a friend of his caretakers of the land. Your comments about the crackheads made me think of the options available if they just choose to improve themselves.
Cruel and unusual punishment is allowing people to live on the streets, they're dying out there, many without hope. We need shelters and they need to accept those beds and accept the help that is offered.
We need to hold people accountable for their terrible life choices
@@americanhomeownerwithajob6940hold the government accountable for mishandling another epidemic. Stop blaming the individual and look at the system.
....or else?
You understand people still have autonomy, right?
Being un-housed doesn't make them a lesser class of human.
@@stevenjohnson891
I agree with HALF that yes. Two things can be true at once
@@americanhomeownerwithajob6940 If it was as simple as a choice, we would all be Jeff Bezos. We are all in this together against the elites. Pretty sure you are closer to being homeless than you are to a billionaire. Is that by choice? Why not be a billionaire? It's because you did the best you could with what you had. Not your "terrible life choices ".
Letting drug addicts waste away in tents next to the road is anything but compassionate. But why aren’t most in shelters? Because shelters don’t allow drug use. People that aren’t on drugs are able to get the help they need. It’s not a homeless crisis, it’s a drug crisis.
People that are so concerned are always free to allow the homeless to put-up their tents in their own yards and live there.
Sad your think like this,how about the city's build housing for Americans not illegals!!!!
What is a tent sitting in a park doing to you physically?!? And what the fuck is wrong with you that someone with WAAAYYY less than you that is sheltering from the weather bothers you so much?!? You’re the POS that we would point to and point out ‘they are scared because if they ever got to this point they would break down and probably starve!’ You scared that they are better equipped than you huh?
It costs about $120 per day, per inmate.
It would cost less to just house the homeless and give them the resources they need to survive, but we as a nation will spend three times the amount it would take to be a good person, to show the poor what the righteous hand of God looks like in these here parts.
These people made TERRIBLE life choices and it's sad yes. Also NOT OUR PROBLEM
Booooom roasted! Haha
Renew the Homestead Act and end property taxes there is no reason for any American to be homeless other than government's greed for power.
And fentanyl.
It is obvious that you do not understand the decisions these people are making. I know there are exceptions. And we need to give a hand to help the exceptions recover. But most of those in homeless situations have put themselves in homelessness and chose to stay there. We owe them nothing.
@@ts73 Yes fentinal china/CCP's copy of the Opium wars and major tool for their world domination plans.
There's not enough room in jails for all of the people that say they're homeless.
Why are they criminal because the state they lived in failed them...??
Exactly, and the taxpayers will pay for everyone they arrest.
@@1bigdogthe tax slaves seems the more appropriate term for those subsisting in Whoregone.. where prostitution is legal as long as it is for the "government"..
Taxpayers will pay a premium price to house these people in jail.
We demand the best for our citizens, no bargain basement sale... the lower choice of just giving them the cost of living assistance for our most vulnerable.
Think of all that tax money that will go to those for profit prison systems, right where it's going to do the most good for our communities.
Yay us.... U.S.
No, because all these people want is drugs and handouts. Justice is served . Go get help or deal with the law. Grants pass is going to get cleaned up. @joannecranshaw1507
America has a million people in jail but can't figure out affordable housing. Freedum
Mmm I wonder where that 24 billion went in California, that supposedly was allocated for the homeless.
It should be illegal for any citizen to be homeless. If they have no income they need to be provided food bathroom and a roof or bed to sleep on. In every state. They also should be rehabilitated
No the governmet should stop doing what they do that makes living so bloody expensive then even burger flippers can have a shot at a home of their own.
Instead of sending $$ over to other countries fix home first
Yeah thats where all the money went. Not
You'd complain about them getting handouts too. Just whining to whine.
I think an audit on each county's non-profit and housing agencies need to be audited all the funding came into washington in last 3 years for housing ..we're did it go beyond all of the grants. yet we still face poverty issues. I'm going to start picking kitsap counties streets, demanding audit on housing funds, why isn't this being recognized and dealt with???
You're so right I'm renting from a non profit organization and they just raised my rent from 300.00 per month to 540.00 I'm on social security disability. This organization is in the business of helping low income families I get 1200 per month. I told them that they put me in a hardship situation I can hardly feed my self. I don't get any kind of help. They told me that I can find some other place to live. I was told each year they are going to raise my rent. What I don't understand is how are they receiving funding from large corporations not to mention the government and do this to people? I have tried calling different agency and all I get is the run around. They really need to audit these places like you said.
There NEEDS to be AFFORDABLE HOUSING for EVERYONE.
Then close the border. We can't provide housing for the entire world
Then end property taxes zoning and change building codes.
@@joaquettaconnors7925 then close the border. We can't house the entire world
The solution to this issue has always been Affordable Housing. Everyone should be able to afford a place of their own based on their individual income without needing to apply and wait on a 10 year waiting list. The Supreme Court had the power to fix this issue by mandating that all unrented space be available to low income and homeless individuals based on a set percentage of their income that they would need to pay themselves. Everyone would be able to afford an apartment if they did that but instead they decided to initiate Civil War.
@@bibebibebibe Property rights are at the core of our country. The government has no right to force an owner to make a property available. A better idea is to outlaw foreign ownership of residential properties and limit corporate ownership to multi-family dwellings.
Grants Pass homeless camping law wasn't abusive, they allow homeless to camp in designated parks but they must move to a new park every week, this distinction means they are camping and the park is NOT their home. Homeless advocates think making them move every week was criminalizing homelessness, it is not, they would only get a ticket if they wouldn't move, some resisted moving to test the law, they failed.
@@gussfish8670 There are volunteers that assist the move, this gives volunteers direct contact and n opportunity to try to help them into drug rehab or out of homelessness.
Head out to the country, I guess.
Grants Pass IS a rural area doofus.
Renewing the Homestead Act would be a great way to do that.
For the advocates, YOU TAKE THEM IN.......
It's cheaper to put people in housing than in jail. This ruling is INSANE!!!
stop bussing them in
That’s a myth. Do you live in/near Grants Pass? I think not. No one would choose to be bussed into that city.
Stop having open borders and sanctuary cites and states.
people who do felony drugs each day worrying about a camping ticket. who will enforce this? you cannot incarcerate your way out of this
ED JOHNSON why are you saying their isn’t enough , what do say about the illegals getting free housing at the cost of the USA taxpayers.
Millions and millions of homeless people CAN WORK but choose not to
I sure hope you end up disabled and unable to work. You will change your attitude real quick!
First off, there aren’t “millions and millions” of unhoused people. Secondly, lots of unhoused people do work. Those that could are often hindered by several factors - no valid ID, no way to shower regularly and no transportation.
I know for a fact that there's millions of government tapeworms sitting on our heads and whipping us into submission while setting their own salaries for simulated work..... Who's the first and foremost beneficiary of the welfare state I ask you?!? Yeah, those who protect and serve... their own interests....
Many of these people today are not drug addicts or alcoholics. Many of them are senior citizens and women with children that cannot afford rent so your penalizing them. Let’s stop thinking that these are people that want to be on the street. Some of them have no choice we have to come up with a better answer than rounding up people and putting him in prison.
THANK YOU!
Exactly right! The fastest growing homeless population is senior citizens!
peops don't realize that Grant's A$$ isn't Porkland, where homelessing is relatively easy compared to small towns of Whoregone.. here they give them tents and needles, a good portion of them are very disturbed and potentially dangerous, yet they're left largely alone. The homeless of GP are just trying to survive! And instead of getting some kind of path to help and self-reliance, they are trapped in the move every 3 days because some people think it's good for you scam... Here's a question: how come our glorious government "leaders" or even their faithful minions are NOT REPRESENTED in the homeless population?!?!? Think about it..
@FrankCostanza-nh9ng I seriously doubt it's any significant percentage, if at all true.
yup, fifty years I paid taxes and all I got was a knife in my back. remember that
So forcing someone to stay awake isn’t cruel and unusual punishment?!? That is fucking insane guess we need to occupy grants pass
Only unemployed socialists have time for that
A SAFETY NET IS OK.
A HAMMOCK IS NOT.
They will never leave the hammock.
If you keep feeding them in the park, why leave/get a job?
The responsibility is for the private sector to step in with non-profits that are focused on shelters to assist.
People have been homeless since before during after Jesus walked the planet and he was semi to little homeless himself
Was he also a fentanyl addict, sold stolen goods, and defecated in front of other people?
About time 👏
No one is criminalizing homelessness. They are protecting TAX PAYERS spaces.
Imagine being an actual rational adult and realizing its a problem with institution instead of the individual. I guess I'll just go back to huffing my copium now with the rest of the children and scream into the wind...
Happy , happy for the tax paying residents of grants pass OR, We are getting are town back. Clean up or pay the price.
Grants Pass The power of Socialism, Communism, never enough of anything, especially your money. They take all of your money then leave you with this.
Shows how Christian our Supreme Court is??? Jesus said "The poor you will have with you always." Not help destroy the poorest people always. Please God hear our prayer to change our leadership, especially SCOTUS!?
That’s right junkies time to sober up
There are not enough beds for people to go to. The lack of empathy on this issue is maddening.
Politicians are spending our money putting illegal aliens in ritzy hotels, but doing nothing for our own homeless, including veterans. Our politicians are to blame, for squandering taxpayer dollars.
LOL, this changes nothing for Oregon since the Governor and the legislature passed laws in 2021 allowing public camping. In contrast, it is great news for States like Arizona and Idaho where it will be unlawful AND their current "houseless" population can move to Oregon to live and run free about the countryside.
They're not going to "live free and run about the countryside", they'll be going to Portland, Salem, and Eugene and making city life (for people that work) miserable thanks to our "progressive political enablers". There's nothing for them in rural areas.
If sleeping on public property is a right cuz homeless people has no where to sleep, then is stealing for food a right cuz hungry people has no food eat? What a stupid argument.
The homeless advocates should house the homeless in their own home if they care for the homeless people so much. The homeless issue will disappear if all the homeless advocates out there adopt one and house them in their own home. Taxpayers deserve to enjoy the public area that their tax dollars paid for without putting up with the filthy & dangerous conditions caused by homeless encampments.
Instead, the homeless advocates just take the grant monies from the gov to pretend like they care about homeless people while laughing all the way to the bank. Homeless advocates just want more homeless people because they profit from them. These homeless advocates are only crying now cuz their revenue stream might become smaller after this ruling. We have lots of shelter spaces that the homeless refuses to sleep in then go around & complains that they don't get help, this ruling should address this problem.
just remember, I too was a taxpayer for 50 years and now I am scum. I paid for that park before you were born sonny😂
Unfortunately, the most likely solution to this countries homeless problem is a Prison State. Some extreme red, back the blue, state like Kentucky or Louisiana builds a Super Prison. Like the size of a city. Heavily militarized with our wild military budget. These states would collect money from other states to take on their homeless prisoners. Itd be motivating as heck for those effected to get out of homelessness fast or risk being shipped off to Alabama for an indefinite internment.
Illegal to be homeless...?
More immigrants please.
Camping suggests you have a choice and can afford the fees. These people are houseless and struggle to feed themselves. Stop the invasion of our boarders and lets start taking care of our own.
This is good to hear this. I am glad to Spring Court is doing this. That way these people can get some help get off drugs when we send billions of dollars to Ukraine for hush money for Joe Biden son we can help the American people get off the street and veterans if they stay on the street they going to do drugs.
Musta been bribed . Go figure
I can't camp anywhere I want. We are these people so special??? WAKE up AMERICA 🇺🇸
Jail is a place to stay
Cost the taxpayer more $$.
So who is crazy the guy sitting watching tv and playing cards all day or the idjit going to work day in and day out paying for that guys food and clothes?!😂
And it costs 5x as much as housing them.
Easy, require them to work.
drug test says NOPE
you all have been sufficiently indoctrinated
Fantastic. Get off the drugs and get a job.
The bums trash the area.
How about building homes for AMERICANS NOT ILLEGALS,HELP AMERICANS!!!!!!
Better build a bigger jail
Being homeless does not give you the right to erect a tent on the sidewalk in front of someone's business, causing customers to stay away, and ultimately causing that business to close. Send our taxpayer money to homeless shelters, not to Ukraine.
Then stop blocking low income housing from being built.
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DRUUUUUGS and LOONS
About effing time. People should not be living on the streets, highways and public parks.
It is a Government Program to support Gangs and Cartels. Federal Drug Prohibition means addicts can't be treated with drugs. Support of the Black Market is 80% of the homeless problem.
So when can we move in? Since you want to house people...
Not freedom of expression?
The power of Socialism, Communism, never enough of anything, especially your money. They take all of your money then leave you with this.
If you have a lawyer, you can pay rent.
THEMPEOPLE NEED TOMFIX THIS ,MAKE GOVERNMENT GIVE MONEYNTOMAMERICANS FOR HOUSES AND NOT ILLEGALS!!!!!!
These are the people who thought they were too cool for school, chanted things like “party hardy dude” or “I’ll try any drug once.” These are the people who do not want your help they want what you have.
Them tornadoes made thousands more Esau homeless.
Yes people need to build home that survive the local environment or are so cheap it is not much of a loss like concreat domes homes or yurts.
you all have been sufficiently indoctrinated
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Let's stop people from taking drugs. That is ONE of the major causes of homelessness. We should reduce investing in foreign countries also. Let's bring back manufacturing capabilities to our own country. In this way, we will create more jobs. Unions are bad for us because they tend to jack up the wages and reduce the efficiency of the labor by overprotecting the bad workers. As a result, it drives many manufacturers out of this country. They moved their facilities to overseas. That cuts the number of jobs in this country. Just take a look at Detroit. It was a vibrant town with lots of manufacturers. Now many of these facilities are empty. Let the demand and supply work out in the labor market.
Listen Mrs Reagan, prohibition didn't work the first time. Also, most homeless are elderly and disabled now, not drug abusers.
great point
This is crazy!!!
See you later tent bums!
This is the Democratic way.Enjoy.
Actually the cause is Republicans. The Republican War On Drugs. Federal Drug Prohibition means addicts can't be treated with drugs. Support of the Black Market is 80% of the homeless problem. Republicans LOVE persecuting addicts, because according to the Government, unlike normal God fearing citizens, addicts brought it on themselves by taking drugs without government permission. If only they had listened to the Government. Dr. Lonny Shavelson in his book "Heroin" said that 70% of female heroin addicts had been sexually abused in childhood. We are persecuting abused children.
This is the fault of the conservative justices.
There problem,they weren't born Mexican!
They should cross the border and cross back.
The Governor’s need to step up and work with these citizens, all construction being build is only for the wealthy or those that can afford them. The Low income and retirees on a fixed income have no where to go!!!! There is NO affordable housing being build. And this is nation wide!!!! Not everyone that is homeless is so by choice nor are they drug addicts.
Have like minded people like yourself put up the money or better yet let them stay at your house.
That is correct. Some people get their sh!t together and put honest effort into moving forward with their lives. The people that dont are the problem.
@@brianspang848 Nobody brings up that without their "government jobs" that they simulate anyway, our government tapeworms who set their own wages would be homeless themselves.. they help themselves first, and the dregs go to the tax slaves...
The power of Socialism, Communism, never enough of anything, especially your money. They take all of your money then leave you with this.
These are the people who thought they were too cool for school, chanted things like “party hardy dude” or “I’ll try any drug once.” These are the people who do not want your help they want what you have.
you all have been sufficiently indoctrinated