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  • Опубликовано: 20 авг 2023
  • The Other Films: (Note, the first one may be "Helen Johnstone - The Distinguished Scotch Balladiste") www.allenarchi...
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Комментарии • 88

  • @konrad7086
    @konrad7086 8 месяцев назад +13

    How were you able to find the audio for these films, or even the films themselves? They seem to be part of a weird hodgepodge of random clips in the link- why were they just randomly inserted into a compilation of random 20s and 30s films? I imagine this compilation itself is pretty old.
    Sorry for all the questions, this is just really interesting and strange.

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  8 месяцев назад +13

      Hi, I should probably add some more context. The link in the description leads to a compilation of individual clips, grouped by theme, that can be licenced from the John E Allen film archive. In the middle of one of these compilations is a collection of early, pre-1920, sound films.
      I came across the films in this compilation a while ago, with no context as to where they came from or who made them. The archive didn't reply to my emails but I doubt they have much information on them either.
      After a lot of work, I was able to identify two of them as being produced by Cameraphone in 1908. The audio is taken from contemporary recordings, likely performed by different artists.

    • @SebTheMusician
      @SebTheMusician 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679 Yes. In this case, the audio was performed by Henry Burr and the Peerless Quartet in 1908. It does sync up quite well, though. I'll give it that much...

    • @Moosa762
      @Moosa762 3 месяца назад +1

      @@SebTheMusicianu sound so pretentious

    • @SebTheMusician
      @SebTheMusician 3 месяца назад +2

      @@Moosa762 Not really. I have the CD that this song is on, so that's how I know.

  • @rvvanlife
    @rvvanlife Год назад +89

    I would love to hear what they would sound like while talking to each other during their break time

  • @starkiller7278
    @starkiller7278 9 месяцев назад +18

    Who knew? About 115 years later we'd be watching this on our phones, laptops and TVs.
    It's amazing to see the earliest forms of cinema.

    • @minteaa7457
      @minteaa7457 4 месяца назад +1

      That’s what I was thinking about 🥲 those people singing would’ve never knew that so many years later people would be watching this 😵‍💫😵‍💫😴

    • @cameron8529
      @cameron8529 3 месяца назад +1

      and in another 115 years we will be watching us watching this in the past with our brain chips, using a time travel code that can let us see any moment at any place in time

  • @Gameboyboy17
    @Gameboyboy17 10 месяцев назад +39

    From a theatrical history standpoint, this is a true gem! You have no idea how amazing this is! This specific production of “The Merry Widow” could either be from the original 1907 Broadway or West End cast. This would make that the ONLY surviving footage of those productions to date! And honestly, maybe one of the earliest videos of “Merry Widow” on the planet!

    • @Gameboyboy17
      @Gameboyboy17 10 месяцев назад +5

      If you are interested in searching for a piece of both lost film (and theatrical) history, the 1930 film version of the stage musical “No, No, Nanette” has not been since it’s premiere date. It’s believe all copies were destroyed in a fire. However, it may be one of the only surviving pieces of the “original” production.

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  10 месяцев назад +4

      @@Gameboyboy17 That sounds interesting, those early technicolor musicals can be quite visually impressive. Apparently, a couple of minutes from the film and the Vitaphone discs for the trailer and overture are known to exist.

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  10 месяцев назад +2

      Interestingly, one of the numbers from the original German version was also filmed in 1908, using the "Tonbilder" system: ruclips.net/video/RMT2BCLoUoE/видео.htmlsi=Z2TYbgHYjbMYjbUg

    • @Gameboyboy17
      @Gameboyboy17 10 месяцев назад +2

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679 interesting! I wonder if perhaps a soundtrack/highlights record exists somewhere.

    • @Gameboyboy17
      @Gameboyboy17 10 месяцев назад

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679 If you have an email, i'd love to email you some newspaper clippings I came across with some (maybe?) clues for the films whereabouts. If they are of no use, they are still cool to look at!

  • @TheEnabledDisabled
    @TheEnabledDisabled Год назад +80

    Thank you for preserving this, and giving hope for the recovery of more of these lost films

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto 11 месяцев назад +4

      Seriously, thank him. His personal reputation is kind of at risk in a way lol

  • @djrichylaurence8991
    @djrichylaurence8991 11 месяцев назад +48

    Good find. Always fascinating to see people who are long gone doing their thing.

  • @tedrobinson372
    @tedrobinson372 10 месяцев назад +11

    I heard the voice of Frank C. Stanley. He recorded for Victor, Columbia and Edison. And in the minstrels you will hear Mr Stanley and SH Dudley.

  • @Alders_Meep
    @Alders_Meep 4 месяца назад +3

    This is beautiful music.

  • @jahlaune
    @jahlaune 3 месяца назад +2

    You can tell you really enjoy doing this . Just by reading the title cards you make . That’s a wonderful thing. Thank you for sharing this with the masses

  • @Iamnottheplatypus
    @Iamnottheplatypus 11 месяцев назад +10

    I like the dance the team did in the first short.

  • @neilshenton1834
    @neilshenton1834 Год назад +10

    Love the choreography in "Oh the women". 👏😊👍

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto 11 месяцев назад +2

      I was trying to fill the blanks man it was trippy. Then i imagined them in actuality (like how we see life) & surprisingly vivid grasp of it I got, fascinating

  • @Peter-Luior
    @Peter-Luior 3 месяца назад +1

    Amazing work! You have and continue to do so much for the film community!

  • @jeenkzk5919
    @jeenkzk5919 11 месяцев назад +40

    Apparently this was such a rare process that it doesn’t even pop up on google! Was it even publicly seen? Or was it a chalked up as a failed experiment?

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  11 месяцев назад +29

      It was the most succesful system in the US at the time, running between 1908 and 1910. At least a few hundred films were produced. There are a couple of articles and books online that referance it but no IMDB listings or anything.

    • @jeenkzk5919
      @jeenkzk5919 11 месяцев назад +15

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679 Oh wow! Odd that IMDb doesn’t acknowledge them. Thanks for responding!

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  11 месяцев назад +23

      @@jeenkzk5919 I know some people who edit IMDB so I might ask them about that.

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto 11 месяцев назад +19

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679 definitely ask! Feels like a black hole or void in cinematic history

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 11 месяцев назад +12

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679it was even better in Europe, it originated in Austria then made its way to England and finally the US

  • @linksjerrylikes
    @linksjerrylikes 10 месяцев назад +17

    Thank you. I've always wondered if they could film these anonymous singers in sound in 1908, why couldn't they done the same with the Great Caruso?

    • @japanfanatic1415
      @japanfanatic1415 10 месяцев назад +6

      They probably did. But the footage is lost.

  • @kon578
    @kon578 10 месяцев назад +2

    You make a wonderful work preserving those old movies.Great job.

  • @Arizona9001
    @Arizona9001 11 месяцев назад +6

    This is amazing. Thank you so much

  • @sIacker
    @sIacker 11 месяцев назад +8

    You're doing great work here.

  • @donkeydan5996
    @donkeydan5996 11 месяцев назад +9

    Pretty amazing , great job!

  • @neilmeadows8641
    @neilmeadows8641 10 месяцев назад +3

    Astonishing footage and remarkable work.

  • @TehCapcutSpartaRemixer
    @TehCapcutSpartaRemixer 5 месяцев назад +2

    Imagine making a video for fun with your friends and later a “lost media” founder just finds your flim and shows it 100 years later

  • @mikedrown2721
    @mikedrown2721 Год назад +20

    My grandparents turned 15 years old in 1908😊

    • @ErelfBow
      @ErelfBow 11 месяцев назад +6

      How old are you

    • @Cornstarchrr
      @Cornstarchrr 11 месяцев назад +1

      no they didnt

    • @danitho
      @danitho 10 месяцев назад +4

      Could easily be tree depending on how old OP is

  • @TheInfiniteLegend
    @TheInfiniteLegend 11 месяцев назад +10

    I’d really like to hear the transcript for Oh the Women
    It’s so interesting old and lost media like this

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 11 месяцев назад

      here you go: comicoperaguild.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MERRY-WIDOW-COMPLETE.pdf

  • @pek3to
    @pek3to Год назад +6

    this is fantastic!

  • @guyfaux900
    @guyfaux900 7 месяцев назад +1

    Probably the earliest use of time code as well😂

  • @dylanroemmele906
    @dylanroemmele906 11 месяцев назад +18

    "Hard to watch" entertainment? How bad could it be?
    Edit: Oh- oh my... holy shit

    • @shonenjumpmagneto
      @shonenjumpmagneto 11 месяцев назад +2

      Haha. Hahaha. You genuinely went through that 2 step just now ? lmfao

  • @kalsizzle
    @kalsizzle 9 месяцев назад +1

    nice work!

  • @arago8649
    @arago8649 11 месяцев назад +3

    Interesting find, never knew this existed

  • @sherirobinson6867
    @sherirobinson6867 11 месяцев назад +3

    This was a dandy few minutes

  • @joeydepalmer4457
    @joeydepalmer4457 3 месяца назад +1

    what I would like to know is, is there any old movies/film that shows towns from the old west before they became ghost towns or even before the disappeared all together? even if it was in the back ground of some old movie.

  • @SebTheMusician
    @SebTheMusician 5 месяцев назад +1

    I'm pretty sure this is a 1908 recording of Henry Burr and the Peerless Quartet. Definitely not the voices of the actors in this footage.

  • @amesadamson
    @amesadamson 10 месяцев назад +1

    wonderful. ty.

  • @nilsonsouza686
    @nilsonsouza686 Год назад +4

    Obrigado

  • @FrankBrennosTheGreatest
    @FrankBrennosTheGreatest 8 месяцев назад +1

    While impressive, as a professional editor it's quite clear to me that the audio and video don't match. I'm assuming the audio was "dubbed" later on? I'm not an expert on the history of sound in film but I often heard early attempts would be dubbing rather than actual recordings.

  • @thomasdoubting
    @thomasdoubting 11 месяцев назад +3

    -I think the minstrels was a difficult watch.
    -Just you wait until you *_hear_* them❗️ Ho ho Ha ha

  • @LiLiKOiOiOi
    @LiLiKOiOiOi 6 месяцев назад +2

    2:13 me anytime women breathe:

  • @team7729
    @team7729 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hey I rly have no idea or whatsoever & I read the first film with sounds was in 1927. So wt is this in 1908 ??

    • @lollybowser
      @lollybowser 10 месяцев назад +1

      Audio recording is older than video recording, so it's plausible they used audio recording along with a camera and played them both together later.

  • @TomChabassiere
    @TomChabassiere 10 месяцев назад +4

    3:05 : Blackface detected.

  • @ItsSnoozeeJB
    @ItsSnoozeeJB 11 месяцев назад +6

    the missing footage and song is a VIBE, to think it's pre ww1 is insane! (although some of it is kinda sexist and racist, but that's a piece of the social stuff of the time)

  • @jfjoubertquebec
    @jfjoubertquebec 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great channel! I came across some digitalized versions of wire audio recording. Can AI help??

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  10 месяцев назад +2

      What were you hoping to do with them?

    • @jfjoubertquebec
      @jfjoubertquebec 10 месяцев назад

      I just have recordings of these archives. @@oldfilmsandstuff4679

  • @justinw9260
    @justinw9260 10 месяцев назад +1

    Why the time code? It's extremely distracting

  • @michaelmcgee8543
    @michaelmcgee8543 Год назад +2

    This is the process in which the music and singing were recorded first. Then played as the movie was filmed. Plus the film was played and the record was poorly synced. Like your attempts.

  • @bostonrailfan2427
    @bostonrailfan2427 11 месяцев назад +3

    something is offf…that recording you used isn’t contemporary as it wasn’t recorded in English until the 1950s. unless this is a bootleg of the cast of the West End or Broadway shows, it’s the later recording

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  11 месяцев назад +6

      It's from 1908

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@oldfilmsandstuff4679nice try, but i looked online for a while and NOWHERE is there mention of this recording from then. None. the earliest legitimate recording of the ENGLISH version of the operetta was the 1950s as cast recordings were not usually made then especially not new shows like that.
      this isn’t from then, you’re lying about it or you were given a copy that wasn’t actually the time you claimed it was recorded.

    • @oldfilmsandstuff4679
      @oldfilmsandstuff4679  11 месяцев назад +8

      @@bostonrailfan2427 ruclips.net/video/GyQFOGUvr_M/видео.htmlsi=_o1pQKKq0dULcsHC

    • @lollybowser
      @lollybowser 10 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@bostonrailfan2427I wish to someday have your level of confidence to just defy a film historian/preservativationist with only "I looked it up" as an argument.

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@lollybowser how dare i actually do some research into something! shame in me for trying to learn something beyond taking the word of someone at face value
      so sorry that his lie got caught, but he chose to lie.

  • @hihi_0906
    @hihi_0906 10 месяцев назад +1

    I kinda wish they'd destroy racist films, just my take. There's no reason to keep a racist film for the sake of preserving history.

    • @hri5tov
      @hri5tov 10 месяцев назад +18

      Preserving history is exactly why we should keep them. Destroying them will make it easier to deny their existence in 50 or 100 or 500 years.

    • @lollybowser
      @lollybowser 10 месяцев назад +6

      There is though. It is through having them that we know they're wrong and we shouldn't do it again. It's like asking for imagery of the slave trade to be destroyed. It was wrong then and it's wrong now, but it's human history. Destroying them would be like erasing our mistakes and sweeping them under the rug.

    • @iskenderhaci
      @iskenderhaci 10 месяцев назад +3

      If it's good enough for Justin Trudeau, then it's good enough for me

    • @thesockthief7501
      @thesockthief7501 10 месяцев назад +1

      cope

  • @konrad7086
    @konrad7086 8 месяцев назад +1

    How were you able to find the audio for these films, or even the films themselves? They seem to be part of a weird hodgepodge of random clips in the link- why were they just randomly inserted into a compilation of random 20s and 30s films? I imagine this compilation itself is pretty old.
    Sorry for all the questions, this is just really interesting and strange.