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Two Early Sound Films, Unseen Since 1908
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2023
- The Other Films: (Note, the first one may be "Helen Johnstone - The Distinguished Scotch Balladiste") www.allenarchi...
Another Possible Cameraphone film: www.pond5.com/...
The Georgia Minstrels: www.allenarchi...
My WIP List of Films: docs.google.co...
Thanks for watching everyone!
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How were you able to find the audio for these films, or even the films themselves? They seem to be part of a weird hodgepodge of random clips in the link- why were they just randomly inserted into a compilation of random 20s and 30s films? I imagine this compilation itself is pretty old.
Sorry for all the questions, this is just really interesting and strange.
Hi, I should probably add some more context. The link in the description leads to a compilation of individual clips, grouped by theme, that can be licenced from the John E Allen film archive. In the middle of one of these compilations is a collection of early, pre-1920, sound films.
I came across the films in this compilation a while ago, with no context as to where they came from or who made them. The archive didn't reply to my emails but I doubt they have much information on them either.
After a lot of work, I was able to identify two of them as being produced by Cameraphone in 1908. The audio is taken from contemporary recordings, likely performed by different artists.
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 Yes. In this case, the audio was performed by Henry Burr and the Peerless Quartet in 1908. It does sync up quite well, though. I'll give it that much...
@@SebTheMusicianu sound so pretentious
@@Moosa762 Not really. I have the CD that this song is on, so that's how I know.
I would love to hear what they would sound like while talking to each other during their break time
Who knew? About 115 years later we'd be watching this on our phones, laptops and TVs.
It's amazing to see the earliest forms of cinema.
That’s what I was thinking about 🥲 those people singing would’ve never knew that so many years later people would be watching this 😵💫😵💫😴
and in another 115 years we will be watching us watching this in the past with our brain chips, using a time travel code that can let us see any moment at any place in time
From a theatrical history standpoint, this is a true gem! You have no idea how amazing this is! This specific production of “The Merry Widow” could either be from the original 1907 Broadway or West End cast. This would make that the ONLY surviving footage of those productions to date! And honestly, maybe one of the earliest videos of “Merry Widow” on the planet!
If you are interested in searching for a piece of both lost film (and theatrical) history, the 1930 film version of the stage musical “No, No, Nanette” has not been since it’s premiere date. It’s believe all copies were destroyed in a fire. However, it may be one of the only surviving pieces of the “original” production.
@@Gameboyboy17 That sounds interesting, those early technicolor musicals can be quite visually impressive. Apparently, a couple of minutes from the film and the Vitaphone discs for the trailer and overture are known to exist.
Interestingly, one of the numbers from the original German version was also filmed in 1908, using the "Tonbilder" system: ruclips.net/video/RMT2BCLoUoE/видео.htmlsi=Z2TYbgHYjbMYjbUg
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 interesting! I wonder if perhaps a soundtrack/highlights record exists somewhere.
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 If you have an email, i'd love to email you some newspaper clippings I came across with some (maybe?) clues for the films whereabouts. If they are of no use, they are still cool to look at!
Thank you for preserving this, and giving hope for the recovery of more of these lost films
Seriously, thank him. His personal reputation is kind of at risk in a way lol
Good find. Always fascinating to see people who are long gone doing their thing.
I heard the voice of Frank C. Stanley. He recorded for Victor, Columbia and Edison. And in the minstrels you will hear Mr Stanley and SH Dudley.
This is beautiful music.
You can tell you really enjoy doing this . Just by reading the title cards you make . That’s a wonderful thing. Thank you for sharing this with the masses
I like the dance the team did in the first short.
Love the choreography in "Oh the women". 👏😊👍
I was trying to fill the blanks man it was trippy. Then i imagined them in actuality (like how we see life) & surprisingly vivid grasp of it I got, fascinating
Amazing work! You have and continue to do so much for the film community!
Apparently this was such a rare process that it doesn’t even pop up on google! Was it even publicly seen? Or was it a chalked up as a failed experiment?
It was the most succesful system in the US at the time, running between 1908 and 1910. At least a few hundred films were produced. There are a couple of articles and books online that referance it but no IMDB listings or anything.
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 Oh wow! Odd that IMDb doesn’t acknowledge them. Thanks for responding!
@@jeenkzk5919 I know some people who edit IMDB so I might ask them about that.
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679 definitely ask! Feels like a black hole or void in cinematic history
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679it was even better in Europe, it originated in Austria then made its way to England and finally the US
Thank you. I've always wondered if they could film these anonymous singers in sound in 1908, why couldn't they done the same with the Great Caruso?
They probably did. But the footage is lost.
You make a wonderful work preserving those old movies.Great job.
This is amazing. Thank you so much
You're doing great work here.
Pretty amazing , great job!
Astonishing footage and remarkable work.
Imagine making a video for fun with your friends and later a “lost media” founder just finds your flim and shows it 100 years later
My grandparents turned 15 years old in 1908😊
How old are you
no they didnt
Could easily be tree depending on how old OP is
I’d really like to hear the transcript for Oh the Women
It’s so interesting old and lost media like this
here you go: comicoperaguild.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/MERRY-WIDOW-COMPLETE.pdf
this is fantastic!
Probably the earliest use of time code as well😂
"Hard to watch" entertainment? How bad could it be?
Edit: Oh- oh my... holy shit
Haha. Hahaha. You genuinely went through that 2 step just now ? lmfao
nice work!
Interesting find, never knew this existed
This was a dandy few minutes
what I would like to know is, is there any old movies/film that shows towns from the old west before they became ghost towns or even before the disappeared all together? even if it was in the back ground of some old movie.
I'm pretty sure this is a 1908 recording of Henry Burr and the Peerless Quartet. Definitely not the voices of the actors in this footage.
wonderful. ty.
Obrigado
While impressive, as a professional editor it's quite clear to me that the audio and video don't match. I'm assuming the audio was "dubbed" later on? I'm not an expert on the history of sound in film but I often heard early attempts would be dubbing rather than actual recordings.
-I think the minstrels was a difficult watch.
-Just you wait until you *_hear_* them❗️ Ho ho Ha ha
2:13 me anytime women breathe:
Hey I rly have no idea or whatsoever & I read the first film with sounds was in 1927. So wt is this in 1908 ??
Audio recording is older than video recording, so it's plausible they used audio recording along with a camera and played them both together later.
3:05 : Blackface detected.
the missing footage and song is a VIBE, to think it's pre ww1 is insane! (although some of it is kinda sexist and racist, but that's a piece of the social stuff of the time)
Great channel! I came across some digitalized versions of wire audio recording. Can AI help??
What were you hoping to do with them?
I just have recordings of these archives. @@oldfilmsandstuff4679
Why the time code? It's extremely distracting
That was added by the archive
This is the process in which the music and singing were recorded first. Then played as the movie was filmed. Plus the film was played and the record was poorly synced. Like your attempts.
Pretty much
It's eerily similar to how tiktok works lol
something is offf…that recording you used isn’t contemporary as it wasn’t recorded in English until the 1950s. unless this is a bootleg of the cast of the West End or Broadway shows, it’s the later recording
It's from 1908
@@oldfilmsandstuff4679nice try, but i looked online for a while and NOWHERE is there mention of this recording from then. None. the earliest legitimate recording of the ENGLISH version of the operetta was the 1950s as cast recordings were not usually made then especially not new shows like that.
this isn’t from then, you’re lying about it or you were given a copy that wasn’t actually the time you claimed it was recorded.
@@bostonrailfan2427 ruclips.net/video/GyQFOGUvr_M/видео.htmlsi=_o1pQKKq0dULcsHC
@@bostonrailfan2427I wish to someday have your level of confidence to just defy a film historian/preservativationist with only "I looked it up" as an argument.
@@lollybowser how dare i actually do some research into something! shame in me for trying to learn something beyond taking the word of someone at face value
so sorry that his lie got caught, but he chose to lie.
I kinda wish they'd destroy racist films, just my take. There's no reason to keep a racist film for the sake of preserving history.
Preserving history is exactly why we should keep them. Destroying them will make it easier to deny their existence in 50 or 100 or 500 years.
There is though. It is through having them that we know they're wrong and we shouldn't do it again. It's like asking for imagery of the slave trade to be destroyed. It was wrong then and it's wrong now, but it's human history. Destroying them would be like erasing our mistakes and sweeping them under the rug.
If it's good enough for Justin Trudeau, then it's good enough for me
cope
How were you able to find the audio for these films, or even the films themselves? They seem to be part of a weird hodgepodge of random clips in the link- why were they just randomly inserted into a compilation of random 20s and 30s films? I imagine this compilation itself is pretty old.
Sorry for all the questions, this is just really interesting and strange.