People think $500 is too much for the Pentax 17 and now they've got a fixed f11, fixed shutter speed point and shoot for $350? Oof. I expect the Widelux to be $2k at least. I don't think the issue with cost and a new Pentax is designing, but manufacturing. Sure they could bring out the old plans and designs for previous cameras but all the tooling and machine work for those parts may or may not be available anymore. I couldnt see them making a modern gr1 for less than $800 probably.
It's a tough situation. I wonder how much a rangefinder coupling would've added to the Pentax 17 price. Because 600$ for a new rangefinder would probably sound more reasonable than 500$ for a point and shoot with zone focus.
People buy metal skinned gameboys all day long for hundreds of dollars. No doubt there’s probably a small market for this. The trouble seems to be the chicanery in the roll out.
@@R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford It’s fixed aperture (f11) and fixed shutterspeed (125th) so the same spec as a disposable. A Holga is an advanced camera in comparison.
Not crazy at all! I bought a Pentax 17 and it's a nice camera that produces photos that I like. Doesn't mean I have to stop using the Olympus 35RC rangefinder that my dad got in 1970. We can enjoy vintage, new, or both.
If a gr film camera came out today, I would buy 3 off the bat. Absolutely the best street photography camera. I’m a Leica shooter and have been for over 15 years. Only cause Ricoh won’t step up the game. If a weather sealed GR digital was out, I would have grabbed it. If they released a film camera that was reliable, it would be amazing. C’mon already!!!
Even if I would also much prefer to see a GR-like camera as the hopefully next Pentax FF camera, I think it will be more likely a Pentax 36, very close to the 17. The 17 is almost a 36: double the cutout area in the film chamber, switch the viewfinder, adjust the winding gear, done. The already motorized lens positioning according to the set up distance could shurely be turned into an auto focus.
Marwan El Mozayen, of Silvergrain, was recently on episode 72 of the camerosity podcast to talk about progress of the widelux if you're interested in hearing more
I fell in love seeing the Pentax, even when I heard the price I was like “oh well… sacrifices can be made”. When I heard it was half frame I was expectativas… but then when I saw it was vertical… meh. Like I love shooting vertical especially in small spaces, but in my head that is going to feel so weird… 😵💫
The Ricoh GR is probably my dream camera, I've never bought one cause I just can't justify it considering the terrible LCDs, I would go crazy for a new one if it didn't share that problem.
My vote is for the GR1v. I borrowed one in the early 2000s, put 2 rolls of B&W through it and always remembered its image quality and simplicity. I couldn't afford one at the time and by the time I could, they were not available new. In 2012 I was able to buy a new Fujifilm Klasse W directly from Japan. I think they had just gone out of production. These are similar to the Ricoh GR1v in spec. but with more optional manual controls and a more upmarket look. Stunning image quality, even a little better than the GR1v. A new Pentax made GR1v would be expensive today.
I have heard that the Pentax 17 is a chassis body camera. Does not mean that it would be the foundation of the 35mm coming out next but maybe variations of it in the future. I have also heard they are seeking photographers input on what they would like to see in the full frame compact camera. If that is true, what would your suggestion be?
I think the 17 is already back ordered here in the USA. Pentax, from what I understand was really caught off guard by the demand. I have been unable to buy one as of yet.
I would like to see something that does not yet exist in this form from Pentax, but which Ricoh has already brought onto the market in two ways with a Pentax K mount. I'm talking about a completely mechanical SLR camera with a metal leaf shutter and battery-powered TTL light meter. Pentax does not even have this in its own portfolio. With a cloth focal plane shutter yes, but there is no model with a metal leaf shutter from Pentax directly. Of course, the light meter should also be up to date. But I personally don't have a Pentax model that is comparable to the Nikon FM, Nikon FM2, Nikon FM2n or Nikon FM3a in terms of the criteria. With a reasonably bright focusing screen, Pentax K mount, hotshoe, and a fastest shutter speed of 1/2000 or even 1/4000 second and, as I said, with a metal leaf shutter. Of course also with a mechanical self-timer. And if possible with a metal body. That would be my Pentax dream for the analogue world. Maybe then as a Pentax K2000, who knows.
@@VivaEZLN1 If I have the money, yes. Or let's put it another way... if you still want to take analogue photos in 10 - 20 years' time and don't want to pay exorbitant repair bills, you'll have to rely on new cameras like this. Because let's not mince our words, the camera manufacturers and the workshops that officially repair their old models for them are already complaining that the old technology and electronics from the 70s, 80s and 90s are increasingly giving up the ghost, even from the oh-so-great top models, and that there are no longer any spare parts for them. This means that in 30 years at the latest there will be a shortage of such analogue cameras, unless you dig even deeper into your own pockets. So brand new SLR cameras like the ones I want will definitely be necessary if anyone still wants to take analogue photos. And if you look at the situation in the world at the moment, analogue cameras will become all the more important in the foreseeable future.
That is the expected design portfolio for the 4th camera of the Pentax Film Camera Project: full metal, full mechanical, full manual, and full frame. Expect it to cost a mint
@@robblincoln2152 I estimate between €1500 and €3000, unless the experience gained from the first three project cameras can help to reduce the price. But if you look at how much Nikon cameras cost at the end of the 60s to the end of the 70s, adjusted for inflation, and take into account the amount of work that has to be done nowadays, it's definitely justifiable and who says that I would buy a brand new camera? The important thing is that there will be more new analogue cameras before the ravages of time gnaw away at the existing ones even more and the technology/electronics are not so far gone that the old cameras completely give up the ghost due to a lack of spare parts. A creeping super disaster would then be waiting for us.
@@robblincoln2152 Of course I expect that, but who says I'm going to buy them brand new? And if you look at what cameras cost 50-60 years ago, adjusted for inflation, I reckon they cost around €1500 - €3000, which is what a mirrorless system camera would cost today, with some costing even more. Producing and installing technology and electronics, including a digital sensor and display, is not as expensive as you might think, just like a programme written and installed for ALL cameras, and yet the prices for such system cameras are not exactly affordable for everyone. A completely mechanical SLR camera with fewer electronics, i.e. purely for the light meter, with a metal housing and solidly built, will not cost more on the market than a new digital system camera from Sony (Alpha 7 series) or Nikon (Z series). So I'm not worried that I might be able to afford a new used analogue and mechanical SLR camera 5 - 10 years later, or as soon as my career change back to my profession is complete and has borne fruit, possibly even sooner. I think these predictions that such a new analogue SLR camera would cost €5,000 or even €10,000 are pessimistic nonsense. Because quite honestly, by the time this is the fourth or fifth new camera, Pentax will have had enough practice. And as we have learnt from history, initial products are usually more expensive and subsequent products then increasingly stabilise in price. Oh yes, the nice thing about such a camera, as I would like to see from Pentax, would be the fact that it would last at least 50 - 60 years, if not more, unless you accidentally drop it from a height into the depths during a mountain hike.😁 After all, future generations should also benefit from it. 😉
Oh super interesting! I hadn’t heard of any of these being made. I have my eye on the Rollei 35af since it has auto focus. But honestly I may just keep my 1v for trips
Was hoping for a MX re-intro, still mostly mechanical but reliable electronics . So much K glass out there, it would make building a kit easy and fun, and tie the new product with Pentax history. If point and shoot, let it be something special like the GR 21.
SLR is still in the pipeline for Pentax. Unless the advanced compact camera they have coming out next is a complete flop, we should see the SLR in about a calendar year
I always thought the images captured by the Widelux and even with the Horizon were much more interesting compared to Xpan due to the rotating lens system and the curvature. But I won't pay 3k$ for it.
A reboot of the GR film camera will be a hit ..if Pentax is more picky about the quality and endurance of the camera components (the original ones had a limited lifespan according to Daido Moriyama...) and if success brings a GR21 and then a MX ...imagine this triggers Nikon with a come back of the 28TI and a FM4 (a FM3 with a HP finder)
The Nana sounds like a huge disappointment. The *LAST* think I want to pay for is motorized operation. Winding the camera is part of what makes it a pleasant experience, and it's not exactly hard work. What idiot decided to make a $300 point and shoot that instead of having a glass lens just makes the experience feel less analog?
Perhaps after the Pentax project has worked its way through all 4 35mm cameras on its docket they will produce a 6x9 220 film SLR along the lines of the 67ii. Doesn’t need to be all metal, doesn’t need to be all mechanical, does need to produce big, classic, sharp negatives
Ricoh GR has a APS-C sensor, it's size/form is not suitable for 35mm film camera, etc. They could do "GR 35" but they would have to make it basicly from the scratch.
I would have thought the 'model' for the next Pentax would be the Contax G2, not a Ricoh. Unfortunately, Pentax is showing that they have surreally horrendous taste in terms of aesthetics. That half-frame abomination borrowed all the worst elements of their already ugly 70s cameras. Just gross. I was initially enthused by the news last year that Pentax was getting back into film cameras, but now... not. And then when i remember the bad experiences i've had with their (used) 35mm SLRs (MX and LX), i'm even more inclined to just spend the stupid dollars on a T2.
Jeff Bridges and his wife are such icons for the camera restoration process.
@@Uwe_Ludolfwhy does that take away from what Jeff and his wife are doing lol. It’s a team project. One wouldn’t exist without the other.
A new film GR will be a mega hit.
I've sadly heard the Film Never Die camera is just a cheap Alibaba camera repackaged in thin metal.
This is 100% correct.
People think $500 is too much for the Pentax 17 and now they've got a fixed f11, fixed shutter speed point and shoot for $350? Oof. I expect the Widelux to be $2k at least. I don't think the issue with cost and a new Pentax is designing, but manufacturing. Sure they could bring out the old plans and designs for previous cameras but all the tooling and machine work for those parts may or may not be available anymore. I couldnt see them making a modern gr1 for less than $800 probably.
It's a tough situation. I wonder how much a rangefinder coupling would've added to the Pentax 17 price. Because 600$ for a new rangefinder would probably sound more reasonable than 500$ for a point and shoot with zone focus.
The $350 is AUD not USD. It ends up being around $235 USD
Very good point.
Fixed focus too
The problem with the pentax17 isn’t the cost. It’s that it’s zone focus and super limited.
It's very likely that the Nana camera is just a $30 Alibaba reskinned in a metal frame. All components pretty much match its Alibaba counterpart.
100% that’s all it is. Also FND pledged to their own kickstarter to get it over the line after it was failing to meet the goal…
Fixed aperture and ss? And fixed focus? Maybe I’m missing something but it sounds useless. Like a metal camera shaped object.
People buy metal skinned gameboys all day long for hundreds of dollars. No doubt there’s probably a small market for this. The trouble seems to be the chicanery in the roll out.
Yeah there's something a bit scammy feeling about the Nana camera.
@@R._B._Victor_Hugo_Ashford It’s fixed aperture (f11) and fixed shutterspeed (125th) so the same spec as a disposable. A Holga is an advanced camera in comparison.
New Widelux: very exciting! I’ll take one!
Fixed lens, fixed f/11, fixed 1/125? Hard pass
New GR1? Lovely! I’ll take 2!
I might sound crazy but I think the pentax 17 is such a cool camera. I can't afford it so I'll just stick with my 40 yr old minolta x-370 😂
Not crazy at all! I bought a Pentax 17 and it's a nice camera that produces photos that I like. Doesn't mean I have to stop using the Olympus 35RC rangefinder that my dad got in 1970. We can enjoy vintage, new, or both.
If a gr film camera came out today, I would buy 3 off the bat. Absolutely the best street photography camera. I’m a Leica shooter and have been for over 15 years. Only cause Ricoh won’t step up the game. If a weather sealed GR digital was out, I would have grabbed it. If they released a film camera that was reliable, it would be amazing. C’mon already!!!
Even if I would also much prefer to see a GR-like camera as the hopefully next Pentax FF camera, I think it will be more likely a Pentax 36, very close to the 17. The 17 is almost a 36: double the cutout area in the film chamber, switch the viewfinder, adjust the winding gear, done. The already motorized lens positioning according to the set up distance could shurely be turned into an auto focus.
Doubt I'll ever afford one. But the Widelux intrigues me based on some of the images I've seen.
My piggy bank has a date with the abattoir...
Marwan El Mozayen, of Silvergrain, was recently on episode 72 of the camerosity podcast to talk about progress of the widelux if you're interested in hearing more
Thanks for this! Very interested!
YES TO NEW FILM CAMERAS 👏🏽
I think if more people show interest in the widelux, maybe more panoramic film cameras could be made :D
Your lips to gods ears!
$350 for a camera with a permanent f11 and one shutter speed? I can't fathom the thought process behind that.
$350 for a fixed lens focus free camera is diabolical
I fell in love seeing the Pentax, even when I heard the price I was like “oh well… sacrifices can be made”. When I heard it was half frame I was expectativas… but then when I saw it was vertical… meh.
Like I love shooting vertical especially in small spaces, but in my head that is going to feel so weird… 😵💫
I wish I could use my star power to help develop new film cameras.
The Ricoh GR is probably my dream camera, I've never bought one cause I just can't justify it considering the terrible LCDs, I would go crazy for a new one if it didn't share that problem.
Jeffs photo books are amazing
My vote is for the GR1v. I borrowed one in the early 2000s, put 2 rolls of B&W through it and always remembered its image quality and simplicity.
I couldn't afford one at the time and by the time I could, they were not available new. In 2012 I was able to buy a new Fujifilm Klasse W directly from Japan. I think they had just gone out of production. These are similar to the Ricoh GR1v in spec. but with more optional manual controls and a more upmarket look. Stunning image quality, even a little better than the GR1v.
A new Pentax made GR1v would be expensive today.
I have heard that the Pentax 17 is a chassis body camera. Does not mean that it would be the foundation of the 35mm coming out next but maybe variations of it in the future. I have also heard they are seeking photographers input on what they would like to see in the full frame compact camera.
If that is true, what would your suggestion be?
Rebranded Fujifilm Klasse S/W
I love my GR1 but I would absolutely buy a new GR film camera, especially if it came with a little fast 40 on it.
I think the 17 is already back ordered here in the USA. Pentax, from what I understand was really caught off guard by the demand. I have been unable to buy one as of yet.
I would like to see something that does not yet exist in this form from Pentax, but which Ricoh has already brought onto the market in two ways with a Pentax K mount. I'm talking about a completely mechanical SLR camera with a metal leaf shutter and battery-powered TTL light meter.
Pentax does not even have this in its own portfolio. With a cloth focal plane shutter yes, but there is no model with a metal leaf shutter from Pentax directly. Of course, the light meter should also be up to date. But I personally don't have a Pentax model that is comparable to the Nikon FM, Nikon FM2, Nikon FM2n or Nikon FM3a in terms of the criteria. With a reasonably bright focusing screen, Pentax K mount, hotshoe, and a fastest shutter speed of 1/2000 or even 1/4000 second and, as I said, with a metal leaf shutter. Of course also with a mechanical self-timer. And if possible with a metal body. That would be my Pentax dream for the analogue world.
Maybe then as a Pentax K2000, who knows.
But would you be willing to pay the price for something like that?
@@VivaEZLN1 If I have the money, yes.
Or let's put it another way... if you still want to take analogue photos in 10 - 20 years' time and don't want to pay exorbitant repair bills, you'll have to rely on new cameras like this. Because let's not mince our words, the camera manufacturers and the workshops that officially repair their old models for them are already complaining that the old technology and electronics from the 70s, 80s and 90s are increasingly giving up the ghost, even from the oh-so-great top models, and that there are no longer any spare parts for them. This means that in 30 years at the latest there will be a shortage of such analogue cameras, unless you dig even deeper into your own pockets. So brand new SLR cameras like the ones I want will definitely be necessary if anyone still wants to take analogue photos. And if you look at the situation in the world at the moment, analogue cameras will become all the more important in the foreseeable future.
That is the expected design portfolio for the 4th camera of the Pentax Film Camera Project: full metal, full mechanical, full manual, and full frame. Expect it to cost a mint
@@robblincoln2152
I estimate between €1500 and €3000, unless the experience gained from the first three project cameras can help to reduce the price. But if you look at how much Nikon cameras cost at the end of the 60s to the end of the 70s, adjusted for inflation, and take into account the amount of work that has to be done nowadays, it's definitely justifiable and who says that I would buy a brand new camera?
The important thing is that there will be more new analogue cameras before the ravages of time gnaw away at the existing ones even more and the technology/electronics are not so far gone that the old cameras completely give up the ghost due to a lack of spare parts. A creeping super disaster would then be waiting for us.
@@robblincoln2152
Of course I expect that, but who says I'm going to buy them brand new? And if you look at what cameras cost 50-60 years ago, adjusted for inflation, I reckon they cost around €1500 - €3000, which is what a mirrorless system camera would cost today, with some costing even more. Producing and installing technology and electronics, including a digital sensor and display, is not as expensive as you might think, just like a programme written and installed for ALL cameras, and yet the prices for such system cameras are not exactly affordable for everyone.
A completely mechanical SLR camera with fewer electronics, i.e. purely for the light meter, with a metal housing and solidly built, will not cost more on the market than a new digital system camera from Sony (Alpha 7 series) or Nikon (Z series). So I'm not worried that I might be able to afford a new used analogue and mechanical SLR camera 5 - 10 years later, or as soon as my career change back to my profession is complete and has borne fruit, possibly even sooner.
I think these predictions that such a new analogue SLR camera would cost €5,000 or even €10,000 are pessimistic nonsense. Because quite honestly, by the time this is the fourth or fifth new camera, Pentax will have had enough practice.
And as we have learnt from history, initial products are usually more expensive and subsequent products then increasingly stabilise in price.
Oh yes, the nice thing about such a camera, as I would like to see from Pentax, would be the fact that it would last at least 50 - 60 years, if not more, unless you accidentally drop it from a height into the depths during a mountain hike.😁
After all, future generations should also benefit from it. 😉
I want the rollei so BAD 😭😭
Haha thanks for the shoutout~ I preordered the Film Never Die camera pre-kickstart idk what that means for me 🥲
I’d like a premium point & shoot~
Anytime, buddy!
Oh super interesting! I hadn’t heard of any of these being made. I have my eye on the Rollei 35af since it has auto focus. But honestly I may just keep my 1v for trips
Definitely the GR, but the widelux is intriguing. 😸
Was hoping for a MX re-intro, still mostly mechanical but reliable electronics . So much K glass out there, it would make building a kit easy and fun, and tie the new product with Pentax history. If point and shoot, let it be something special like the GR 21.
SLR is still in the pipeline for Pentax. Unless the advanced compact camera they have coming out next is a complete flop, we should see the SLR in about a calendar year
A new analog GR1 would be a dream ❤
Didn’t Pentax say the next camera was an SLR? I wouldn’t mind a Ricoh-esque new point and shoot though
In the 40s, Hollywood became enthralled by the 3D camera. It was all the rage first in Hollywood, and then spreading to the rest of the people.
a F1 fan? notice the Monaco shirt. i have been there. magical place.
Big time. Love the red team, but I'm really sad that Carlos is being forced out!
I always thought the images captured by the Widelux and even with the Horizon were much more interesting compared to Xpan due to the rotating lens system and the curvature. But I won't pay 3k$ for it.
a new GR film camera that doesnt have a top LCD that doesnt die would be lovely. i've passed on so many GRs cause of that dame LCD.
They all broke!
A reboot of the GR film camera will be a hit ..if Pentax is more picky about the quality and endurance of the camera components (the original ones had a limited lifespan according to Daido Moriyama...) and if success brings a GR21 and then a MX ...imagine this triggers Nikon with a come back of the 28TI and a FM4 (a FM3 with a HP finder)
The Pentax 17 didn't excite me but a GR style camera sounds like a camera that interests me.
I’d seriously consider both a GR and the Widelux.
Hope that the new widelux cures my yearning for Xpan
The Nana sounds like a huge disappointment. The *LAST* think I want to pay for is motorized operation. Winding the camera is part of what makes it a pleasant experience, and it's not exactly hard work. What idiot decided to make a $300 point and shoot that instead of having a glass lens just makes the experience feel less analog?
Eh I love my olympus stylus but it's also not 350 bucks for pos lol
would love a new film Ricoh GR that prints date lol
‘Film Never Die’ is a name that goes hard
Film Ricoh GR… take my money NOW!!
the nana is not a new camera and its also not premium. dig a bit deeper and you find out that its probably a recased cheap chinese pns.
The gr film cameras are notorious for breaking
$250 for a plastic lens is crazy💀
7:02 Literal blued eyed boy of photography discourse
7:00 Omg remember red eyes in photos? Simpler times. And then I was shook when iPhone had that red eye removal feature.
Perhaps after the Pentax project has worked its way through all 4 35mm cameras on its docket they will produce a 6x9 220 film SLR along the lines of the 67ii. Doesn’t need to be all metal, doesn’t need to be all mechanical, does need to produce big, classic, sharp negatives
Crystal clear lens? Maybe a hint. Gass is crystal,, plasticis not i don't think.
What if instead of making new cameras the better the making process of film so it’s cheaper
What about Alfie??
The FilmNeverDies camera is a cheap redesign of all the other point and shoots with flash for 30€/$... the price is a joke.
Ricoh GR has a APS-C sensor, it's size/form is not suitable for 35mm film camera, etc. They could do "GR 35" but they would have to make it basicly from the scratch.
The original GR was literally 35mm
@@Overexposed1 Duh, my bad. I didn't even know there was a film version of GR prior to digital one :)
you should take alook at the alfie camera project :)
I would have thought the 'model' for the next Pentax would be the Contax G2, not a Ricoh. Unfortunately, Pentax is showing that they have surreally horrendous taste in terms of aesthetics. That half-frame abomination borrowed all the worst elements of their already ugly 70s cameras. Just gross. I was initially enthused by the news last year that Pentax was getting back into film cameras, but now... not. And then when i remember the bad experiences i've had with their (used) 35mm SLRs (MX and LX), i'm even more inclined to just spend the stupid dollars on a T2.
These companies should have dumped the money into the film not the cameras we have plenty of good cameras
Your channel is getting to big to make videos like this bro, you’re going to inflate all the prices. This is bad for the film community.
These cameras aren’t even out 😐
@@Overexposed1I’m kidding.