Caitlin 3 point shooting is much different in the WNBA than from Iowa. The WNBA started guarding Caitlin as soon as she get out of her car 😊. Full court press on her and try to stay so close toher it like they trying to hug Caitlin 😊. She don't get those same looks from 3. However Caitlin game because of the intense pressure started relying more on her teammates. Her passing has started to be what she is known for now.
she's been double teamed her whole life and never really got wide open looks at the basket. Her legs are fatigued from going steady since the beginning of college season. I think after the Olympic break and a couple weeks of rest, she's going to light it up.
also, she answers to the coach, her playing style could be a forced change. Wouldn't put it past Sides to intentionally make her change her playing style to being support instead of the point leader. Sides isn't a good coach.
I believe her style of play is deliberately being stifled to keep her from running away with records. She should have at least 3-4 triple doubles! Sides pulls her to prevent it from happening! 😢
@@justdafax Reese's average game would be 10-11 rebounds, 3-4 layups and put backs and 4 foul shots. You guys act like she's another Shaq. She's a slightly above average rebounder and sub par offensive player that misses 60% of layups. If Caitlin was black, there wouldn't even be a conversation.
I didn't see CC struggle in those first games. The team had no chemistry. She was still scoring pretty well. Her passes were surprising her teammates. Now they are getting their chemistry. Run and gun ladies! Fun to watch. 28-30 points a quarter!! Plus 100 scores. I'm waiting for those days to start. 😊
They need to play 4 quarters without Sides' disruption. Wheeler needs to be benched because she doesn't fit the team. Can't wait for Temi to come back because she's the enforcer.
@@Joshua-me1wi That's little league type of play. It's like, "OK children, we need to let other children touch the ball because she's (Wheeler) the highest paid player in this team," 😏
I watched a video documentary about CC and she was intense, to the point she tend to push her team mates to the edge. CC is built to be a general, a leader, and she's clashing with Sides style of play that obviously hadn't worked in the past. You don't stick a player like CC in a team. It's more like you build a team around CC. That's what Iowa did and obviously worked. She needs a coach that can handle her intensity and Sides is probably not it.
Lisa Bluder (Caitlin's college coach) said in interviews that it became clear to her that she couldn't use her traditional playbooks with Caitlin. She said she needed to "let Caitlin be Caitlin" and revamped Iowa's offensive strategies to take advantage of what Caitlin could do. And that raises an interesting point - the WNBA will be a lot more exciting to watch in general if coaches stop relying on traditional playbooks and instead look for ways to use their star players creatively.
Patrick's observation about soccer explains a lot. I didn't really start following CC until this month, but my immediate impression was she thinks faster than the other players, sees the game faster. She had to have learned that somewhere.
stats doesn't realy matter... point is her pace is faster than anyone else in wnba.. pushing her whole team, passing or shooting or putting her own buckets. it's a system she brings noone else does, unless someone picks up on it before Sides desides to commit for it, since she's still trying to loose almost everytime until CC just takes off.
@@RobertDeLange-tu5cc The league is boring. CC's pace and unpredictability is exciting to watch. If more and more teams start playing like this, more people will watch their games too.
Man this is the most common sense take I have ever heard!!! I agree 100000% well said!! People I think grandstand with these 2 cause they have agendas or wanna use the issue to gaslight for clicks. It’s why we can’t have real sports talk. You got a subscriber in me!
Dan is an ESPN OG, and the greatest sports broadcaster to ever work at ESPN. He has seen everything, and covered damn near everything. He was what gave ESPN legitimacy when it started. His opinion just doesn’t have weight. It has gravity.
Shout out to Iowa for showing the love and support to there best athletes!!!!! For myself, I don’t care for basketball I general.I am a Sixers, and Michigan wolverines fan….born in 1978 so, not much to cheer for…..onlny time I turn on Women’s BB is after I know CC is playing. She’s aggressive And very good.
Angel Reese is Angel Reese’s own worst enemy. Without even mentioning the fact that she clearly is stat padding, she wants the fame more than to play ball. I think if you take away Caitlin she would lose it because without Caitlin she isn’t in the news. Or sporting news. She is more worried about followers and likes. He said it best, no team is preparing for Angel Reese. And I must give flowers to Chennedy Carter. Even though she gave Caitlin a cheap shot, she has been carrying Chicago. Caitlin deserves ROY and is SOLELY changing the WNBA
Here are the actual stats for rookies as of 7/16: Clark #1 in Points & PPG (Reese #2); Clark #1 in Efficiency (Reese #2); Clark #1 in Steals (Reese #2); Clark #1 in Assists (Reese #5); Clark #1 in Free Throw % (Reese #4); Clark #2 in Blocks (Reese #5); Reese #1 in Rebounds (Clark #2); Reese #6 in FG % (Clark #8). And to address the Turn Overs, look at the ratios to get the actual impact on the game and you get Clark #7 in Assists/TO (Reese #8); Reese # 3 in Steals/TO (Clark #9). I enjoyed seeing them on the same team in the All-Star game, but as for their regular play, Clark clearly is playing better with a more positive impact on the game for her team AND the league (and I didn't even have to mention her being face guarded behind the ball or from 90ft out). She has also accomplished all that having played more games than any other team, coming off the extra long college season (shortest break), with the second most minutes played of all players in the WNBA this season! ROTY was never a real question.
@@vincente4570 Stats are "hysteria?" Or are you referring to the new fans who've come to the league to watch a superstar player? 'Cause they're just having fun watching and cheering someone on! The fact that one player has more fans than the others doesn't undo what those other players can and have been doing. Any more than the fact she is more popular means we have to elevate other players in a bout of "whataboutism." Sure, several players are "doing good things," but among the rookies, and the majority of other players in the league, she is doing way more! Yay for her!
@@orsonwelles2023 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Seriously! I want u to understand this. The hysteria is not about the stats. It’s about gravitating to a player. I’m not disputing Caitlin’s abilities at all. But unlike you. I’m not watching that dike infested league until Caitlin gets a rival or her & Angel play on the same team for now on. No matter the scenario🥂🥳
Angel is having a good rookie year, but that's not a ROY performance by any stretch. The discussion is about ROY and no one else is even close, if the truth is gonna be told. There is gonna be a huge reality check at the end of the season and by then, everyone will have had a taste of the Fever and Caitlin. Caitlin has been the most impactful to her teams' improvement, development and chemistry and style of play, let alone their climbing in the rankings and popularity league wide. This statement can't be said for Angel, unless of course a couple of shots of Crown are consumed prior to opening ones mouth.. Caitlin Clark..ROY
We all know Clark is number one on the scouting report and teams gameplan against her, yet she still manages to put up good stat lines for a rookie with so much defensive attention. That's ROTY and MVP!
Russell AVERAGED a triple double that year! Hmmm.....seems like the voters didn't give two shits about his turnovers!! Who here thinks that CC will accomplish this feat at some point in her career? 🙋♂️
I remember reading that Caitlin averaged 4.2 turnovers a game in college...Who cares? She got the job done. So, she's averages 5.5 turnovers in the WNBA, again Who cares? She's still getting the job done. Caitlin is averaging 17 pts. and 8 assists a game. Let's assume that all her assists are 2-pointers and not 3s. 17 pts.+16 pts. from assists = 33. Even if all her turnovers are converted into 3s = 16.5...she still nets +16.5 pts. a game. Can we now stop talking about her turnovers and talk about how exciting Caitlin is as a basketball player.
I think they May Say BOTH Women, Clark & Reese are DESERVING of the Title for MVP❣️And I Guess I’d be Cool with That, but Your Right CC Is a SUPERSTAR 🤩 NO DOUBT❣️And I BELIEVE She’s About to TURN UP after their Break, Watch What I’m Saying❣️Great Show Dude, I Love 🩵 it❣️ 🌼♥️🕊️🇺🇸🥰🇺🇸🕊️♥️🌼
MVP...Most Valuable Player, more than player stats? Revenue generated in dollars. Sounds pretty damn valuable to me. Her teams record vs their previous season. How she's elevated her teammates. MVP? I believe so.
She carried 2 of her teammates with her to the all-star team, including their getting high ranking in number of votes. Seems to me that should count as elevating teammates.
I agree you can like both of them. I do think Angel Reese is a good consistent rebounder. But she's not the focal point of that team. Caitlin Clark does everything. And they double team our triple team her. Pick her up on the back court. She has so much more to worry about then Angel . But they both are very good.
It is so ironic. What they really mean is they would have to adjust to CC not the other way around. And they can't do that after all "WE" are the greatest so you have to adjust to us. Totally illogical.
I keep saying this in the hope that eventually it will become generally acknowledged (hopefully before I die and/or Clark retires): Clark has a ton in common with Bird. In this instance, we're talking about her having been called a one dimensional player who can only shoot. Well, just as an aside, the player who said that either knows so little about basketball she shouldn't be playing, or should at least get sent back to Basketball 101 tutoring. But never mind her...let's get back to Clark, who imho has a game that is remarkably similar to Birds. Yes, she can shoot like Steph. But Bird shot like Steph before Steph did, and he was also a playmaker, which came from, among other places, his freaky good basketball IQ, his unbelievable passing (about which I've heard many commentators make the same amazed remarks commentators were making about Bird's passes...e.g., his threading impossible needles, his eyes in the back of his head and other unfathomable throwns to where he somehow knew his teammate would be, etc. His leadership and toughness were also the subjects of frequent credit--and, in the case of his toughness, awe. Am I the only one who sees parallels here with Clarks game and assets? And I'm not even talking about all their games' similarities-- and I'm not even going into the whole "white savior" label others kept foisting onto them, with both wanting no part of it, or any of the other efforts to see them not for their play, but for their race, which was said to be the reason for their success instead of any talent (remember Rodman's saying "If Bird were black, he'd be just another player?" Sound familiar? So...a player saying all Clark can do is shoot, is the same ignorant and/o delusional and/or resentful rap that Bird got, and it persisted until he managed to make it obvious to even the most ignorant and most resentful (btw, I understand the resentment, in both instances; I just think it's misplaced, because the injustices that are resented are no more Clark's doing than they were BIrd's) that that wasn't gonna fly, as he broke records, won MPVs and other honors, and kept being great, showing them up through his game rather than by fighting back any other way. He never allowed the media to bait him into entering the fray, he just stayed respectful, kept working like an animal, and played his game. Again...sound like a path being taken by anyone else we know?
Dawn Staley is biased! She likes Aliyah Boston much more than CC. Staley is envious of CC for eclipsing Boston who was ROTY '23 (not sure) and still eclipsing her now. It's obvious that Staley would pick Angel Reese to be this year's ROTY because nothing will be taken from Aliyah Boston!
You have a good point there. In 2023 NCAA Final Four, Iowa defeated South Carolina. Aliyah was on South Carolina's team, and Caitlin on Iowa. Caitlin scored 41 points in that game. That was the ONLY defeat South Carolina experienced in the course of TWO seasons. I guarantee Dawn Staley has not forgotten it.
I don't get the narrative that CC struggled at the start of the season. She didn't. The team lost, the team sucked, but she didn't. First 10 games her stat line was 17/6.5/5.4 compared to 16.8/7.8/5.8 for the season. Almost the same. Her AST went up once her team got somewhat better playing with her.. they still muff tons of passes but better than before.
Nawl, if you watch both teams and both players you would not say they are on the same level. Or even close. As for the turnovers. Once again, there are many types. Getting blocked, throwing the ball to the opponent, getting the ball stolen from you, and passing the ball and the teammate drops it. We all see which one makes up the most of CC’s turnovers. Stop it!
NBA career turnovers - #1 LeBron, #2 Westbrook, #3 Malone, #4 Stockton, #5 Kobe, #6 Kidd, and only Karl Malone wasn't the primary ball handler. All the other ones were the floor general of their teams.......just like Clark is asked to be. So i'm ok with turnovers if the wins keep coming. You can't have highlight passes without taking chances.
I gave AR props recently. She has worked on her game, She recently got 2-3 point shots. She had zero up until halfway through the season and only 1 - 3 pointer in her college career. She got the double doubles. And she hasn't been running her mouth being a poor sport like she was. So she has worked on her skills and deserves credit for that. But the stat padding really gets to me. And she makes a lot of fouls to get her rebounds that the refs never call. She backs into people too hard and shoulders them hard to get the shot' Not always but there are plenty of them and they never call a foul on her for it. I have never seen them call a foul for it even once. It seems like too many people in the WNBA, including the refs, are in on handing the ROTY to her. There is no comparison between AR and CC. CC has broken men's records and can shoot from the half court. CC makes impossible passes and shots that almost bring tears to your eyes they're so beautiful. I have never seen a woman play like CC before. And she has beautiful form doing it and she is a role model to kids. Even with all of the assaults and abuse that she has suffered never a negative word comes out of her mouth. Also, Thank you for the comparisons of the turn overs for these legendary men players. It was very insightful,
There should be a stat for To to Points to determine how vital those were and impacted the game, like if Angel gets her own rebound, Clark turns it over but inevitably the ball is at the other end of the court, does it lead to points for the opposition?
Most of Clark's turnovers are passes that her teammates fumble. Do you judge a QB based on incomplete passes that bounce off his receivers hands? This is why it's sad that Clark isn't on team USA where we could see what she could do with players that have the talent to capitalize on her sharp passes.
Nice commentary, just one issue though: when you say at the end that you don't fault either Clark or Reese having a low FG% as rookies, because it's not the same - Clark gets more defensive attention at all times than does Reese, including getting double teamed more than Reese, and Reese' at the 4 puts up almost all her shots from inside 5-6 ft, vs Clark taking the most 30ft+ 3s in the league. Obviously Reese as a big should have a significantly higher FG% than a guard with the longest range at the top of everyone's scouting reports, right? But: - Clark: 40.3% FG - Reese: 41.1% FG That's not much of a difference, and after considering context, it is and should rightly be criticism-worthy of Reese, and there should be no shame in saying that. I mean, there's a reason the top 8 in FG% are all bigs, and there's only 1 guard in the top 16.
I get it i took that into consideration on multiple vids, I'm just speaking on how I look at them. I can't lie CC has missed wide open threes and a few floater/lay up opportunities as well but she's definitely being guarded heavily most of the time.
Occasionally now. It was that way earlier. She was blitzed and traps and since she's figured them out more, teams haven't done them with that much regularity. She's mostly picked up 3/4 court and heavily defended around the logo area.
@@benjaminsmith2287agree. Also, Sides is finally putting in players who know how to set screens (Hull, Samuelson) as opposed to Wallace and Wheeler who both got a lot of minutes in the first 6 weeks or so of the season and don't set screens. Also, Aliyah Boston is getting good at pick & roll. That was missing in the earlier games.
Caitlin wants to be an all around player. She’s doubled guarded so now she plays the lanes and passes Either way CC helps her team. CC is number 1 on the scout sheet. All teams want to stop CC. Dangerous player.
What I hate about Angel Reese fans is their disingenuous about why they want Reese to win. We all know why and it’s the constant gas lighting that annoys me.
Caitlin fans are no better. They always demean Angel every chance they get. By the way, they hate Angel because her team beat Caitlin’s team for the national championship. So they still hate her for that and then got the nerve to cover it up by saying she’s playing victim all the time. So please pay attention to those things too madam😎
@@vincente4570 why are Clark fans mad about Angel winning the title game no Clark fans talk about other LSU players, Cardoso beat her too see any Clark fans mad at her? It’s the way Angel went about it she showed poor sportsmanship, chose to act like a villain and when she finally realized that was probably a mistake she doubled down made more statements about Clark to the press then cried and complained about how she was being treated. In the meantime Clark is just saying it is what is I’ll just keep taking the hits and go out and play B-Ball. People are already forgiving Chennedy Carter for that hit on Clark and admiring her game. The All-Star game went a long way in doing the same for Reese but if we get back to the regular season and get the same poor sportsmanship, attacking Clark on and off the court, she’ll undo it all. It has nothing to do with Reese winning a game or her skin color, it’s all about attitude and perception. There’s ways to be competitive and win games without being an asshole.
@@seeweda I’m not stupid sir. You know the truth. Guys like you root for certain people to win and when they don’t, yall cryin about it. So because she talked shit to Caitlin. Who’s gives ah damn. Caitlin is a shit talker too. So don’t play dem games wit me joker. By the way, being an asshole ain’t the same as backing your shit up. Don’t believe ask Larry Legend himself if you man enough to do so🫵🏿
Dude turnovers are very important to the difference between winning and moving and losing. You can have turnovers but you can't average over three. It's very hard for your team to win when you're averaging over three turnovers again and you have to remember NBA games have more possessions than WNBA games Should turn over stopper from winning rookie of year no but they matter a lot in terms of winning and losing
Dan Patrick with a good take, but is there one female that covers basketball on major network tv just say Clark has a good chance to be Rookie of the Year?
A double double is a fake stat! Who has the most double double in the NBA? Exactly, who cares.Reese is a hell of a rebounder but that in and of itself is not enough to be the MVP on the team or ROTY for the WNBA No team in the WNBA actively plan a game strategy around stopping Reese. Which of the two have been consistently double teamed even in the preseason games? I think we all know the answer.
A stat that says scoring 10 points is a big deal, equivalent to having 10 rebounds or stats is a poor stat. The equivalent of 10 boards or assists in scoring is more like 20 or maybe even more. Just because 10 has two digits in it doesn't make it an accomplishment in scoring.
Hey friend, You can do it.. you can tone down the artificial black spin in your style if you want to people despite what it sounds like. You believe, the world doesn't think it's very cool and it's no fun trying to decipher one on Earth you're saying then he call that drawl.. Very messy indeed. Is this the way you actually speak ? Having help us!
This guy try to act like Angel and CC are =. Dude CC leads the rookies in more than just assists......... Let you not mention the fact 50% of her turnovers are her team dropping passes.
I never said they were equal my guy. I said CC is roty multiple times throughout my vids. I enjoy both of their games cause I love basketball. I respect some of the boards/put backs angel gets cause not all are handed to her to be honest.
@@flyhippieofficial One is propped up by her team to get her stats and 1 has to fight her team and coach to get her stats. Aja is pushed to be MVP CC is not.
Man catlin make herself look like a bust shoiting 29% 18% from three last game and have had more bad shooting games than good shoiting games and before yall say angel shoot this and that angel wasnt a number 1 pick or even top 5 lol
Her shooting was needed to keep the defense honest, ok.. You are right, Angel was not a top 5 pick and that's because she is not top5. If you sit back and look at what's happening in the Dub, Reese is not in the topic of conversation unless you mention Caitlin's name in the same sentence. When you mention Caitlin's name, you don't have to mention Reese.. j/s
@@MikeSS-nd4ep if Reese wasn't a topic of conversation all these podcasters wouldn't keep her name in there mouth every single day juging everything she do on and off the Court and Catlin fans wouldn't be in her comments on social media people were talking about angel before she played Clark in the tournament when people mention Clark they always mentioned Reese also Clark is not top 5 in the draft yea not league Reese should have definitely been top 5 pick off rebounding and defense alone only player's who I could see being taken over her was Jackson or brinks and even then without bias I'm taking Reese I can see cardosa because of size Clark was going first anyway so that's why I didn't say her name another rookie besides Clark that has had more of a impact for there team also again Reese been a topic of conversation since her one shoe block also she just broke Clark attendance record in new York Clark is obviously leading the charge but to say Reese is irrelevant is a lie
@@quentelhill5074 I'm ol school and to be fair and keep our conversations friendly, I'll just say that Caitlin is a whole different beast and there should be no question about it. Have a great evening.
@@MikeSS-nd4ep you can't start a conversation like this and then end it without putting reasons lmao Clark is more offensively skilled but angel beats her in defense hustle and heart this is no knock against Catlin but let's be real not a whole different beast both got things to improve on angel her offence and dribbling Catlin her defense and turnovers
@@quentelhill5074 If you watched all of college basketball the past 2 seasons, you know that Caitlin was knocking down the record books with each game of her Sr season. People were already watching and all of their games were being televised. The scoring, assists, 3-pointers are not things that CC is just starting to do. She's been doing it. If you watched her team last year, there were players who learned to play with Caitlin and they went very deep 2 years in a row. Her accolades are too numerous to mention. As for Angel, I'd rather be talking about her fundamentals in the low post game as a whole, not just in the Dub, but coming into the Dub. Poor footwork, inefficiency in close range, no real shooting technique to speak of. But as I look at her game, I believe she has room to improve in the areas that I mentioned and make for a more compelling conversation. A good rebounder, absolutely! But the skill level of these 2 players are incomparable.
Caitlin 3 point shooting is much different in the WNBA than from Iowa. The WNBA started guarding Caitlin as soon as she get out of her car 😊. Full court press on her and try to stay so close toher it like they trying to hug Caitlin 😊. She don't get those same looks from 3. However Caitlin game because of the intense pressure started relying more on her teammates. Her passing has started to be what she is known for now.
she's been double teamed her whole life and never really got wide open looks at the basket. Her legs are fatigued from going steady since the beginning of college season. I think after the Olympic break and a couple weeks of rest, she's going to light it up.
also, she answers to the coach, her playing style could be a forced change. Wouldn't put it past Sides to intentionally make her change her playing style to being support instead of the point leader. Sides isn't a good coach.
I believe her style of play is deliberately being stifled to keep her from running away with records. She should have at least 3-4 triple doubles! Sides pulls her to prevent it from happening! 😢
every rebound reese gets its 3 people around her. arike went off and was shooting on 2 people or hands in her faces on lots of shots
@@justdafax Reese's average game would be 10-11 rebounds, 3-4 layups and put backs and 4 foul shots. You guys act like she's another Shaq. She's a slightly above average rebounder and sub par offensive player that misses 60% of layups. If Caitlin was black, there wouldn't even be a conversation.
I didn't see CC struggle in those first games. The team had no chemistry. She was still scoring pretty well. Her passes were surprising her teammates. Now they are getting their chemistry. Run and gun ladies! Fun to watch. 28-30 points a quarter!! Plus 100 scores. I'm waiting for those days to start. 😊
They need to play 4 quarters without Sides' disruption. Wheeler needs to be benched because she doesn't fit the team. Can't wait for Temi to come back because she's the enforcer.
It could happen if only Sides didn't insist on her archaic slow half-court post play in which everybody touches the ball and scores except Caitlin.
@@Joshua-me1wi That's little league type of play. It's like, "OK children, we need to let other children touch the ball because she's (Wheeler) the highest paid player in this team," 😏
I watched a video documentary about CC and she was intense, to the point she tend to push her team mates to the edge. CC is built to be a general, a leader, and she's clashing with Sides style of play that obviously hadn't worked in the past.
You don't stick a player like CC in a team. It's more like you build a team around CC. That's what Iowa did and obviously worked. She needs a coach that can handle her intensity and Sides is probably not it.
Yh that worked great with lebron 😂😂 nobody gets big headed
Lisa Bluder (Caitlin's college coach) said in interviews that it became clear to her that she couldn't use her traditional playbooks with Caitlin. She said she needed to "let Caitlin be Caitlin" and revamped Iowa's offensive strategies to take advantage of what Caitlin could do.
And that raises an interesting point - the WNBA will be a lot more exciting to watch in general if coaches stop relying on traditional playbooks and instead look for ways to use their star players creatively.
Probably???...... SHE'S NOT!
@@motherofthreeb6337Lol. Not in three lifetimes.
Patrick's observation about soccer explains a lot. I didn't really start following CC until this month, but my immediate impression was she thinks faster than the other players, sees the game faster. She had to have learned that somewhere.
He was spot on!
It's natural instinct
I agree! His mention of soccer made things click for me.
Caitlin Clark is in the TOP 18 league wide in: Points, Assists, Blocks, Steals and Rebounds. As a rookie.
But but but but but angel has a national championship!!😂
I'm pretty sure she's leading all guards in rebounds and blocks too
@@Staymad91 All on her own? Silly me, I thought it was a team game.
stats doesn't realy matter... point is her pace is faster than anyone else in wnba.. pushing her whole team, passing or shooting or putting her own buckets. it's a system she brings noone else does, unless someone picks up on it before Sides desides to commit for it, since she's still trying to loose almost everytime until CC just takes off.
@@RobertDeLange-tu5cc The league is boring. CC's pace and unpredictability is exciting to watch. If more and more teams start playing like this, more people will watch their games too.
CC does pass behind the back, seen it several times. She "breaks ankles", that is so fun to watch.
Yup, and we just saw it in the Lynx game!
Man this is the most common sense take I have ever heard!!! I agree 100000% well said!! People I think grandstand with these 2 cause they have agendas or wanna use the issue to gaslight for clicks. It’s why we can’t have real sports talk.
You got a subscriber in me!
Well said fam I definitely peep that on here. I appreciate the support to the fullest! Thanks for watching 🍻
Dan is an ESPN OG, and the greatest sports broadcaster to ever work at ESPN. He has seen everything, and covered damn near everything. He was what gave ESPN legitimacy when it started. His opinion just doesn’t have weight. It has gravity.
Shout out to Iowa for showing the love and support to there best athletes!!!!! For myself, I don’t care for basketball I general.I am a Sixers, and Michigan wolverines fan….born in 1978 so, not much to cheer for…..onlny time I turn on Women’s BB is after I know CC is playing. She’s aggressive
And very good.
Angel Reese is Angel Reese’s own worst enemy. Without even mentioning the fact that she clearly is stat padding, she wants the fame more than to play ball. I think if you take away Caitlin she would lose it because without Caitlin she isn’t in the news. Or sporting news. She is more worried about followers and likes.
He said it best, no team is preparing for Angel Reese. And I must give flowers to Chennedy Carter. Even though she gave Caitlin a cheap shot, she has been carrying Chicago.
Caitlin deserves ROY and is SOLELY changing the WNBA
Great commentary and I like how you put everything together with out showing bias. Thanks!
I appreciate that fam! Thanks for watching 🍻
The defense they're playing on CC is ridiculous! Picking her up at 95 ft!
Here are the actual stats for rookies as of 7/16: Clark #1 in Points & PPG (Reese #2); Clark #1 in Efficiency (Reese #2); Clark #1 in Steals (Reese #2); Clark #1 in Assists (Reese #5); Clark #1 in Free Throw % (Reese #4); Clark #2 in Blocks (Reese #5); Reese #1 in Rebounds (Clark #2); Reese #6 in FG % (Clark #8). And to address the Turn Overs, look at the ratios to get the actual impact on the game and you get Clark #7 in Assists/TO (Reese #8); Reese # 3 in Steals/TO (Clark #9). I enjoyed seeing them on the same team in the All-Star game, but as for their regular play, Clark clearly is playing better with a more positive impact on the game for her team AND the league (and I didn't even have to mention her being face guarded behind the ball or from 90ft out). She has also accomplished all that having played more games than any other team, coming off the extra long college season (shortest break), with the second most minutes played of all players in the WNBA this season! ROTY was never a real question.
With all that said. They’re both doing good things in that joke ass league. Please acknowledge that over this Caitlin hysteria😊
@@vincente4570 Stats are "hysteria?" Or are you referring to the new fans who've come to the league to watch a superstar player? 'Cause they're just having fun watching and cheering someone on! The fact that one player has more fans than the others doesn't undo what those other players can and have been doing. Any more than the fact she is more popular means we have to elevate other players in a bout of "whataboutism." Sure, several players are "doing good things," but among the rookies, and the majority of other players in the league, she is doing way more! Yay for her!
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Seriously! I want u to understand this. The hysteria is not about the stats. It’s about gravitating to a player. I’m not disputing Caitlin’s abilities at all. But unlike you. I’m not watching that dike infested league until Caitlin gets a rival or her & Angel play on the same team for now on. No matter the scenario🥂🥳
Caitlin Clark is MVP
MOST VIEW PLAYER
Or most "valuable" in the sense of generating revenue! 😂😂
Good one✊🏿
Angel is having a good rookie year, but that's not a ROY performance by any stretch. The discussion is about ROY and no one else is even close, if the truth is gonna be told. There is gonna be a huge reality check at the end of the season and by then, everyone will have had a taste of the Fever and Caitlin. Caitlin has been the most impactful to her teams' improvement, development and chemistry and style of play, let alone their climbing in the rankings and popularity league wide. This statement can't be said for Angel, unless of course a couple of shots of Crown are consumed prior to opening ones mouth.. Caitlin Clark..ROY
We all know Clark is number one on the scouting report and teams gameplan against her, yet she still manages to put up good stat lines for a rookie with so much defensive attention. That's ROTY and MVP!
Thank you for being honest.
Always! 🍻
Thanks for watching
Assist lead to points by definition. Turnovers only lead to points for the other team if they can capitalize on them.
Russell AVERAGED a triple double that year! Hmmm.....seems like the voters didn't give two shits about his turnovers!!
Who here thinks that CC will accomplish this feat at some point in her career? 🙋♂️
She sees things before they happen; that's a Jedi trait. If she had been born in the Republic the Order would have approached her years ago😉
Facts 😂😂😂
You never hear people talking about turnovers, being an argument against a player being great until now. C’mon. Dan Patrick is the OG by the way.
Exactly!! Nah for sure 😂 🍻
I remember reading that Caitlin averaged 4.2 turnovers a game in college...Who cares? She got the job done. So, she's averages 5.5 turnovers in the WNBA, again Who cares? She's still getting the job done. Caitlin is averaging 17 pts. and 8 assists a game. Let's assume that all her assists are 2-pointers and not 3s. 17 pts.+16 pts. from assists = 33. Even if all her turnovers are converted into 3s = 16.5...she still nets +16.5 pts. a game. Can we now stop talking about her turnovers and talk about how exciting Caitlin is as a basketball player.
You are a fair minded man, courageous to follow your own good thinking
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Ayo I appreciate you fam! 🍻
The issue is: NOT everyone in the WNBA is an amazing player. Most are at best average and tall.
Angel Reese needs to give everybody a reason to love her when she’s off the court not hate her.
Seeing her naughty bits wasn't enough.
Rachet.
She’s cool off court 😂😂
@@FUBAR1986 I want to like her, but irrational racist hatred is one of my turn-offs
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People gotta remember one is a guard. A shooting guard and one is a/center, not the same
Facts
I love CC and Angel both as people and players. Angel's a cool person fr
I think they May Say BOTH Women, Clark & Reese are DESERVING of the Title for MVP❣️And I Guess I’d be Cool with That, but Your Right CC Is a SUPERSTAR 🤩 NO DOUBT❣️And I BELIEVE She’s About to TURN UP after their Break, Watch What I’m Saying❣️Great Show Dude, I Love 🩵 it❣️
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Well Angel might not be, but to say the woman doesn’t have a target in her back isn’t a watching.
Reese has been boarding to her head that liberty game she got 3 in 13 attempt's she misses so much people miss that part
“AR rebounds better.” Has surely nothing to do with the fact that AR plays under the boards and CC plays from outside the 3 point line.
MVP...Most Valuable Player, more than player stats? Revenue generated in dollars. Sounds pretty damn valuable to me. Her teams record vs their previous season. How she's elevated her teammates. MVP? I believe so.
She carried 2 of her teammates with her to the all-star team, including their getting high ranking in number of votes. Seems to me that should count as elevating teammates.
Her own team froze her out to start too. They couldn’t catch her passes
I agree you can like both of them. I do think Angel Reese is a good consistent rebounder. But she's not the focal point of that team. Caitlin Clark does everything. And they double team our triple team her. Pick her up on the back court. She has so much more to worry about then Angel . But they both are very good.
She is playing about 90% Magic Johnson rookie season
It is so ironic. What they really mean is they would have to adjust to CC not the other way around. And they can't do that after all "WE" are the greatest so you have to adjust to us. Totally illogical.
The turnover argument akways telks you the person either doesn't watch basketball, or they are just trolling.
The mediocre fever wasn't ready for her fast pace in the beginning and they had to adjust
I keep saying this in the hope that eventually it will become generally acknowledged (hopefully before I die and/or Clark retires): Clark has a ton in common with Bird.
In this instance, we're talking about her having been called a one dimensional player who can only shoot. Well, just as an aside, the player who said that either knows so little about basketball she shouldn't be playing, or should at least get sent back to Basketball 101 tutoring.
But never mind her...let's get back to Clark, who imho has a game that is remarkably similar to Birds. Yes, she can shoot like Steph. But Bird shot like Steph before Steph did, and he was also a playmaker, which came from, among other places, his freaky good basketball IQ, his unbelievable passing (about which I've heard many commentators make the same amazed remarks commentators were making about Bird's passes...e.g., his threading impossible needles, his eyes in the back of his head and other unfathomable throwns to where he somehow knew his teammate would be, etc. His leadership and toughness were also the subjects of frequent credit--and, in the case of his toughness, awe.
Am I the only one who sees parallels here with Clarks game and assets? And I'm not even talking about all their games' similarities-- and I'm not even going into the whole "white savior" label others kept foisting onto them, with both wanting no part of it, or any of the other efforts to see them not for their play, but for their race, which was said to be the reason for their success instead of any talent (remember Rodman's saying "If Bird were black, he'd be just another player?" Sound familiar?
So...a player saying all Clark can do is shoot, is the same ignorant and/o delusional and/or resentful rap that Bird got, and it persisted until he managed to make it obvious to even the most ignorant and most resentful (btw, I understand the resentment, in both instances; I just think it's misplaced, because the injustices that are resented are no more Clark's doing than they were BIrd's) that that wasn't gonna fly, as he broke records, won MPVs and other honors, and kept being great, showing them up through his game rather than by fighting back any other way. He never allowed the media to bait him into entering the fray, he just stayed respectful, kept working like an animal, and played his game.
Again...sound like a path being taken by anyone else we know?
Dawn Staley is biased! She likes Aliyah Boston much more than CC. Staley is envious of CC for eclipsing Boston who was ROTY '23 (not sure) and still eclipsing her now. It's obvious that Staley would pick Angel Reese to be this year's ROTY because nothing will be taken from Aliyah Boston!
You have a good point there.
In 2023 NCAA Final Four, Iowa defeated South Carolina. Aliyah was on South Carolina's team, and Caitlin on Iowa. Caitlin scored 41 points in that game.
That was the ONLY defeat South Carolina experienced in the course of TWO seasons. I guarantee Dawn Staley has not forgotten it.
Angel Reese 97 offensive rebounds 34 rebounds off of missed shots that sounds like an average player not ROTY
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Caitlin Clark fan in the house yall😮
She’s the great white hope so she’s the darling.
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If she wasn't good, how did she win ROTY of the month in May?
I don't get the narrative that CC struggled at the start of the season. She didn't. The team lost, the team sucked, but she didn't.
First 10 games her stat line was 17/6.5/5.4 compared to 16.8/7.8/5.8 for the season. Almost the same. Her AST went up once her team got somewhat better playing with her.. they still muff tons of passes but better than before.
Nawl, if you watch both teams and both players you would not say they are on the same level. Or even close. As for the turnovers. Once again, there are many types. Getting blocked, throwing the ball to the opponent, getting the ball stolen from you, and passing the ball and the teammate drops it. We all see which one makes up the most of CC’s turnovers. Stop it!
NBA career turnovers - #1 LeBron, #2 Westbrook, #3 Malone, #4 Stockton, #5 Kobe, #6 Kidd, and only Karl Malone wasn't the primary ball handler. All the other ones were the floor general of their teams.......just like Clark is asked to be. So i'm ok with turnovers if the wins keep coming. You can't have highlight passes without taking chances.
Who else is over this bs double double narrative??
I'm so bored with it.
I gave AR props recently. She has worked on her game, She recently got 2-3 point shots. She had zero up until halfway through the season and only 1 - 3 pointer in her college career. She got the double doubles. And she hasn't been running her mouth being a poor sport like she was. So she has worked on her skills and deserves credit for that. But the stat padding really gets to me. And she makes a lot of fouls to get her rebounds that the refs never call. She backs into people too hard and shoulders them hard to get the shot' Not always but there are plenty of them and they never call a foul on her for it. I have never seen them call a foul for it even once. It seems like too many people in the WNBA, including the refs, are in on handing the ROTY to her. There is no comparison between AR and CC. CC has broken men's records and can shoot from the half court. CC makes impossible passes and shots that almost bring tears to your eyes they're so beautiful. I have never seen a woman play like CC before. And she has beautiful form doing it and she is a role model to kids. Even with all of the assaults and abuse that she has suffered never a negative word comes out of her mouth. Also, Thank you for the comparisons of the turn overs for these legendary men players. It was very insightful,
Very well said! No problem. You actually gave me something new to look at about how she get up shots 🍻
@karensullivan8458 That was an excellent take.
There should be a stat for To to Points to determine how vital those were and impacted the game, like if Angel gets her own rebound, Clark turns it over but inevitably the ball is at the other end of the court, does it lead to points for the opposition?
Most of Clark's turnovers are passes that her teammates fumble. Do you judge a QB based on incomplete passes that bounce off his receivers hands? This is why it's sad that Clark isn't on team USA where we could see what she could do with players that have the talent to capitalize on her sharp passes.
Facts!
Dude. Did you not see tha all star game last Saturday🤷🏿
Nice commentary, just one issue though: when you say at the end that you don't fault either Clark or Reese having a low FG% as rookies, because it's not the same - Clark gets more defensive attention at all times than does Reese, including getting double teamed more than Reese, and Reese' at the 4 puts up almost all her shots from inside 5-6 ft, vs Clark taking the most 30ft+ 3s in the league. Obviously Reese as a big should have a significantly higher FG% than a guard with the longest range at the top of everyone's scouting reports, right? But:
- Clark: 40.3% FG
- Reese: 41.1% FG
That's not much of a difference, and after considering context, it is and should rightly be criticism-worthy of Reese, and there should be no shame in saying that. I mean, there's a reason the top 8 in FG% are all bigs, and there's only 1 guard in the top 16.
I get it i took that into consideration on multiple vids, I'm just speaking on how I look at them. I can't lie CC has missed wide open threes and a few floater/lay up opportunities as well but she's definitely being guarded heavily most of the time.
You forgot that Angel is literally the only woman crashing the boards against 2-3 brauds every time. So include that in your point son😮
Clark is double teamed full ct every game.
What games are you watching?
Occasionally now. It was that way earlier. She was blitzed and traps and since she's figured them out more, teams haven't done them with that much regularity. She's mostly picked up 3/4 court and heavily defended around the logo area.
@@benjaminsmith2287agree. Also, Sides is finally putting in players who know how to set screens (Hull, Samuelson) as opposed to Wallace and Wheeler who both got a lot of minutes in the first 6 weeks or so of the season and don't set screens.
Also, Aliyah Boston is getting good at pick & roll. That was missing in the earlier games.
Caitlin wants to be an all around player. She’s doubled guarded so now she plays the lanes and passes Either way CC helps her team. CC is number 1 on the scout sheet. All teams want to stop CC. Dangerous player.
What I hate about Angel Reese fans is their disingenuous about why they want Reese to win. We all know why and it’s the constant gas lighting that annoys me.
Caitlin fans are no better. They always demean Angel every chance they get. By the way, they hate Angel because her team beat Caitlin’s team for the national championship. So they still hate her for that and then got the nerve to cover it up by saying she’s playing victim all the time. So please pay attention to those things too madam😎
@@vincente4570 why are Clark fans mad about Angel winning the title game no Clark fans talk about other LSU players, Cardoso beat her too see any Clark fans mad at her? It’s the way Angel went about it she showed poor sportsmanship, chose to act like a villain and when she finally realized that was probably a mistake she doubled down made more statements about Clark to the press then cried and complained about how she was being treated. In the meantime Clark is just saying it is what is I’ll just keep taking the hits and go out and play B-Ball. People are already forgiving Chennedy Carter for that hit on Clark and admiring her game. The All-Star game went a long way in doing the same for Reese but if we get back to the regular season and get the same poor sportsmanship, attacking Clark on and off the court, she’ll undo it all. It has nothing to do with Reese winning a game or her skin color, it’s all about attitude and perception. There’s ways to be competitive and win games without being an asshole.
@@seeweda I’m not stupid sir. You know the truth. Guys like you root for certain people to win and when they don’t, yall cryin about it. So because she talked shit to Caitlin. Who’s gives ah damn. Caitlin is a shit talker too. So don’t play dem games wit me joker. By the way, being an asshole ain’t the same as backing your shit up. Don’t believe ask Larry Legend himself if you man enough to do so🫵🏿
Reese gets rebounds off her missed layups.
Everybody's talented ? Next time I need to say something Hilarious - - I'll say that.
Dude turnovers are very important to the difference between winning and moving and losing. You can have turnovers but you can't average over three. It's very hard for your team to win when you're averaging over three turnovers again and you have to remember NBA games have more possessions than WNBA games Should turn over stopper from winning rookie of year no but they matter a lot in terms of winning and losing
Some say Carmelo should of won it... but thats a topic for another day
Dan Patrick with a good take, but is there one female that covers basketball on major network tv just say Clark has a good chance to be Rookie of the Year?
Turnovers don't out weigh point contributed to
Shut up!
He's bs on the turnover train.
A double double is a fake stat! Who has the most double double in the NBA? Exactly, who cares.Reese is a hell of a rebounder but that in and of itself is not enough to be the MVP on the team or ROTY for the WNBA
No team in the WNBA actively plan a game strategy around stopping Reese. Which of the two have been consistently double teamed even in the preseason games? I think we all know the answer.
A stat that says scoring 10 points is a big deal, equivalent to having 10 rebounds or stats is a poor stat. The equivalent of 10 boards or assists in scoring is more like 20 or maybe even more. Just because 10 has two digits in it doesn't make it an accomplishment in scoring.
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Anything to elevate Caitlin hun jabroni👎🏿
Hey friend,
You can do it.. you can tone down the artificial black spin in your style if you want to people despite what it sounds like. You believe, the world doesn't think it's very cool and it's no fun trying to decipher one on Earth you're saying then he call that drawl..
Very messy indeed. Is this the way you actually speak ? Having help us!
This guy try to act like Angel and CC are =. Dude CC leads the rookies in more than just assists......... Let you not mention the fact 50% of her turnovers are her team dropping passes.
I never said they were equal my guy. I said CC is roty multiple times throughout my vids. I enjoy both of their games cause I love basketball. I respect some of the boards/put backs angel gets cause not all are handed to her to be honest.
@@flyhippieofficial One is propped up by her team to get her stats and 1 has to fight her team and coach to get her stats. Aja is pushed to be MVP CC is not.
@@flyhippieofficial My question is if you score the most points you are auto the MVP? BS
Man catlin make herself look like a bust shoiting 29% 18% from three last game and have had more bad shooting games than good shoiting games and before yall say angel shoot this and that angel wasnt a number 1 pick or even top 5 lol
Her shooting was needed to keep the defense honest, ok.. You are right, Angel was not a top 5 pick and that's because she is not top5. If you sit back and look at what's happening in the Dub, Reese is not in the topic of conversation unless you mention Caitlin's name in the same sentence. When you mention Caitlin's name, you don't have to mention Reese.. j/s
@@MikeSS-nd4ep if Reese wasn't a topic of conversation all these podcasters wouldn't keep her name in there mouth every single day juging everything she do on and off the Court and Catlin fans wouldn't be in her comments on social media people were talking about angel before she played Clark in the tournament when people mention Clark they always mentioned Reese also Clark is not top 5 in the draft yea not league Reese should have definitely been top 5 pick off rebounding and defense alone only player's who I could see being taken over her was Jackson or brinks and even then without bias I'm taking Reese I can see cardosa because of size Clark was going first anyway so that's why I didn't say her name another rookie besides Clark that has had more of a impact for there team also again Reese been a topic of conversation since her one shoe block also she just broke Clark attendance record in new York Clark is obviously leading the charge but to say Reese is irrelevant is a lie
@@quentelhill5074 I'm ol school and to be fair and keep our conversations friendly, I'll just say that Caitlin is a whole different beast and there should be no question about it. Have a great evening.
@@MikeSS-nd4ep you can't start a conversation like this and then end it without putting reasons lmao Clark is more offensively skilled but angel beats her in defense hustle and heart this is no knock against Catlin but let's be real not a whole different beast both got things to improve on angel her offence and dribbling Catlin her defense and turnovers
@@quentelhill5074 If you watched all of college basketball the past 2 seasons, you know that Caitlin was knocking down the record books with each game of her Sr season. People were already watching and all of their games were being televised. The scoring, assists, 3-pointers are not things that CC is just starting to do. She's been doing it. If you watched her team last year, there were players who learned to play with Caitlin and they went very deep 2 years in a row. Her accolades are too numerous to mention. As for Angel, I'd rather be talking about her fundamentals in the low post game as a whole, not just in the Dub, but coming into the Dub. Poor footwork, inefficiency in close range, no real shooting technique to speak of. But as I look at her game, I believe she has room to improve in the areas that I mentioned and make for a more compelling conversation. A good rebounder, absolutely! But the skill level of these 2 players are incomparable.