Dude the 2k showcase you did is great I love the Trish Vs Lita, E&C Vs Hardy Boyz Vs Dudley Boyz ideas, other ideas I got for showcases are Shawn Michaels career, Undertaker WM streak, Rock/Austin feud, ECW showcase, Brock Lesnar career, and The Shield showcase. I really wish Road to WrestleMania and GM Mode would come back
+ChrISTIAN Kelly They had something like that in 2k14 I think. It wasn't the main Showcase mode, but there was a side thing that showcased Undertaker's Wrestlemania matches.
Good Job I'd maybe replace Jericho/Rock with a Invasion Showcase or storyline like a fantasy one like in WWE 12 WWE/F vs WCW but instead of it being The Current Roster like WWE 12 it would be in The Attitude Era and it would start at WrestleMania 17 and end at WrestleMania 18 and have all the top stars from WCW unlike the real Invasion like (The N.W.O, Bret Hart, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Sting, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Savage etc) to go along with Booker T and DDP and The top WWF Stars (Undertaker, Steve Austin, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Triple H, HBK, etc.)
For The Hall of Fame 2016 Showcase: WrestleMania XXXI '15: No Disqualification -Triple H vs. Sting [Includes Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, X-Pac, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall & Hulk Hogan] WrestleMania XV '99: Hell In A Cell -The Undertaker vs. Big Boss Man [Ft. Edge, Christian & Gangrel] NWA Halloween Havoc '89: Tag Team -The Fabulous Freebirds [Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy] vs. Dynamic Dudes [Shane Douglas & Johnny Ace] SmackDown! [5/7/03]: Cruiserweight Championship -Jacqueline vs. Chavo Guerrero w/Chavo Classic Raw Is War [4/5/99]: Singles Match -The Godfather vs. Goldust w/The Blue Meanie Madison Square Garden [4/26/76]: WWE Championship/Steel Cage -Stan Hansen vs. Bruno Sammartino WrestleMania XXIV: Lumberjack Match -Maria & Ashley vs. Melina & Beth Phoenix [Ft. Snoop Dogg, Kelly Kelly, Eve Torres, Mickie James, Maryse, Victoria, Cherry, Michelle McCool, Layla & Jillian Hall]
For The Career Of Mick Foley, This Showcase's Name Will Be "Foley Is God" WCW SuperBrawl II '92: Singles Match: -Cactus Jack vs. Ron Simmons WCW Saturday Night [3/7/92]: Tag Team: -Cactus Jack & Diamond Dallas Page vs. Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes WCW Beach Blast '92: Falls Count Anywhere/No Disqualification Match: -Cactus Jack vs. Sting WCW Clash Of The Champions '93: 3-On-3 Steel Cage Match: -Dustin Rhodes, Sting & Cactus Jack vs. Big Van Vader, Paul Orndorff & Barry Windham WCW Halloween Havoc '93: Extreme Rules -Cactus Jack vs. Paul Orndorff ECW Hostile City Showdown: No DQ: -Cactus Jack vs. Sabu ECW Hardcore Heaven '93: -Cactus Jack vs. Terry Funk ECW NWA Tournament: ECW World Tag Team Championships: -Mikey Whipwreck & Cactus Jack vs. The Public Enemy [Rocco Rock & Johnny Grunge] ECW Hardcore TV [1/31/95]: Falls Count Anywhere: -Cactus Jack vs. The Sandman ECW Hardcore TV [1/27/96]: ECW World Tag Team Championships: -Cactus Jack & Mikey Whipwreck vs. Shane Douglas & Tommy Dreamer In Your House 7: Good Friends, Bitter Enemies: No DQ: -Mankind vs. The Undertaker King Of The Ring '96: -Mankind vs. The Undertaker In Your House: Buried Alive '96: Buried Alive -Mankind vs. The Undertaker Monday Night RAW [2/3/97]: Tag Team -Faarooq & Mankind vs. The Undertaker & Ahmed Johnson Monday Night RAW [3/10/97]: Tag Team -Vader & Mankind vs. The Undertaker & Sycho Sid SummerSlam '97: Steel Cage Match -Mankind vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley Monday Night RAW [8/27/97] -Mankind vs. Shawn Michaels [Featuring Rick Rude] One Night Only '97: Singles Match -Dude Love vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley Royal Rumble '98: Royal Rumble Match -Cactus Jack, Chainsaw Charlie, The Rock, Mosh, Mankind, Goldust, Dude Love & Faarooq WrestleMania XIV '98: Dumpster Match -Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie vs. The New Age Outlaws [Road Dogg & Billy Gunn] King Of The Ring '98: Hell In A Cell Match -Mankind vs. The Undertaker [Featuring Terry Funk & Mr. McMahon] Fully Loaded '98: Tag Team Championships -Mankind & Kane vs. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin & The Undertaker SummerSlam '98: Tag Team Championships -Mankind & Kane vs. The New Age Outlaws Breakdown '98: Triple Threat/Steel Cage -Mankind vs. The Rock vs. Ken Shamrock Judgement Day '98: IC Championship -Mankind vs. Ken Shamrock Monday Night RAW [11/23/98]: Triple Threat/ Hardcore Championship: -Mankind vs. Big Boss Man vs. Ken Shamrock Royal Rumble '99: "I Quit" Match/ WWE Championship -Mankind vs. The Rock Halftime Heat: Falls Count Anywhere: -Mankind vs. The Rock WrestleMania XV '99: #1 Contender For SGR In The Main Event: -Mankind vs. Big Show Monday Night RAW [5/10/99]: Handicap Match: -Cactus Jack vs. Ministry Of Darkness [Mideon & Viscera] SmackDown! [9/9/1999]: Tag Team/Buried Alive Match -Rock N' Sock Connection [The Rock & Mankind] vs. The Unholy Alliance [Big Show & The Undertaker] [Featuring Triple H] No Mercy '99: Singles Match -Mankind vs. Val Venis Survivor Series '99: Tag Team Championships: -New Age Outlaws vs. Mankind & Al Snow Royal Rumble '00: Extreme Rules -Cactus Jack vs. Triple H [Featuring Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley] No Way Out '00: Hell In A Cell Match -Cactus Jack vs. Triple H [Featuring Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley] WrestleMania XVI '00: Fatal 4-Way For The WWE Championship: -Big Show w/Shane McMahon vs. The Rock w/Mr. McMahon vs. Mick Foley w/Linda McMahon vs. Triple H w/Stephanie McMahon WrestleMania XX '04: Tag Team Match -Rock N' Sock Connection [The Rock & Mick Foley] vs. Evolution [Batista, Ric Flair & Randy Orton] Backlash '04: Extreme Rules: -Cactus Jack vs. Randy Orton [Featuring Eric Bischoff] WrestleMania 22 '06: Extreme Rules: -Mick Foley vs. Edge w/Lita ECW One Night Stand '06: Tag Team/ Extreme Rules Match: -Mick Foley & Edge w/Lita vs. Terry Funk & Tommy Dreamer w/Beulah McGillicutty Vengeance '06: 2/3 Falls Match -Mick Foley vs. Ric Flair SummerSlam '06: "I Quit" Match -Mick Foley w/Melina vs. Ric Flair Royal Rumble '08: Royal Rumble Match #22 -Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, The Miz, The Undertaker, Kane, Batista, Mr. Kennedy, Big Daddy V, Mark Henry, Chavo Guerrero & Triple H
+Caden Clippinger Him and others. 2K15's was good w/ Cena and Punk and HHH and Michael's. But there are plenty of other rivlaries I'd like to see put into the showcase.
Suplex City Too predictable, no matter what stipulation. Jeff has always been a PG Aggression guy, what we need is a guy like another Kane or Undertaker
I would like the showcase mode have brock lesnar in 2014-2016 and the rise and fall of the shield 2012-2016 and I know that they broke up in 2014 but I would like to see roman and seth's world title run
tell wwe 2k to make this showcase real,it would be good plus 10 new rivalries n.W.o vs D-Generation-X Umaga & Shane 'O' Mac vs John Cena & Bobby Lashley Lex Luger vs Yokozuna Stunning Steve Austin vs Flyin' Brian 123 Kid vs Razor Ramon Million Dollar Corporation & Virgil vs The Mega Powers The McMahons & Triple H vs Legacy The Nation Of Domination vs Stone Cold Steve Austin The Hart Foundation & Brian Pillman Undertaker And Paul Wight vs Kane
tell them to add in the trish vs lita rivalry their match in wretslemania 25 unlockables: lita attire wretslemania 21 trish stratus canadian attire wm 21 wm 21 arena
Why can't you just enjoy this game while its here tether thank thinking so far ahead about the next one and when that finally comes out you'll do the same thing over 2k18
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This is amazing bro. I don't think the real game will have this many matches though XD
It looks sick nonetheless
+The Dutch LAD hello brother
Undertaker's Wrestlemania Streak is Mabye the best showcase ever
Dude the 2k showcase you did is great I love the Trish Vs Lita, E&C Vs Hardy Boyz Vs Dudley Boyz ideas, other ideas I got for showcases are Shawn Michaels career, Undertaker WM streak, Rock/Austin feud, ECW showcase, Brock Lesnar career, and The Shield showcase. I really wish Road to WrestleMania and GM Mode would come back
am i the only one who wants the shield as a 2k showcase?
+Aminase Playz no
Ehh....
no I want it to
no
I want the nexus as a showcase
That will be awesome!!!! Hardy Boyz Is back in The roster!!!
chyna 2k showcase
dudelys,edge and Christian, Hardy boyz 2k showcase
edge vs undertaker 2k showcase
and adding the 19 elimination chamber matches 2k showcase
I like the Showcase about The Undertaker good idea
good concept bro
i really hope they do undertaker showcase....imagine how badass it would be!
I'm disappointed 2K17 will have NO 2K Showcase. These, by the way, are AWESOME ideas...
This is amazing it looks so realistic.🔥🔥:-)
That roman reigns guitar theme would be good for him as a heel
That's what I thought!
Even if this is fake it looks cool
Apparently a lot of people don't know what concept means
Undertaker and Edge would be a great showcase.
it would be amazing on on its own if they did a 2k showcase just with undertaker like they did with stone cold it sounds like a good idea
+ChrISTIAN Kelly They had something like that in 2k14 I think. It wasn't the main Showcase mode, but there was a side thing that showcased Undertaker's Wrestlemania matches.
No i mean like his WHOLE career like wcw days undertaker to Undertaker now
yep look up mean Mark on google and you will find him he was really corny back then he changed drastically when he went to the wwe
a tag team rivalry would be awesome
Great Concept
I just hope the showcase envolves the ruthless aggression era so we can see the Doctor of thuganomics.
this looks really good sucks 2k wont do anything as in depth ,and with as much effort as yours
what program do you use to do that ? please
Can you do a concept gameplay of Universe Mode, include 1 or 2 match gameplay of what it should be like in 2K17.
Heck yea Hardyz man I hope they return soon
Good Job I'd maybe replace Jericho/Rock with a Invasion Showcase or storyline like a fantasy one like in WWE 12 WWE/F vs WCW but instead of it being The Current Roster like WWE 12 it would be in The Attitude Era and it would start at WrestleMania 17 and end at WrestleMania 18 and have all the top stars from WCW unlike the real Invasion like (The N.W.O, Bret Hart, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Sting, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Savage etc) to go along with Booker T and DDP and The top WWF Stars (Undertaker, Steve Austin, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, Triple H, HBK, etc.)
When will this game be released for all systems ( PlayStation 4, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Wii, Wii U, and PC ).
if the story is about edge jeff hardy and matt hardy will be in the game
Matt vs Edge would be a nice showcasr
I really hope there is an Edge be Undertaker showcase. It is long overdue.
How about a 2K Showcase based on the Undertakers WM streak? It gives you loads of characters and attires and arenas from past WM's
2k 14 scrub got gud
2K should make a showcase about Daniel Bryan it would be perfect.
I think in the 2k showcase they should put either the rivalry with triple h and roman reigns or sheamus and Roman or aj styles and roman
For The Hall of Fame 2016 Showcase:
WrestleMania XXXI '15: No Disqualification
-Triple H vs. Sting [Includes Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, X-Pac, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall & Hulk Hogan]
WrestleMania XV '99: Hell In A Cell
-The Undertaker vs. Big Boss Man [Ft. Edge, Christian & Gangrel]
NWA Halloween Havoc '89: Tag Team
-The Fabulous Freebirds [Michael Hayes & Terry Gordy] vs. Dynamic Dudes [Shane Douglas & Johnny Ace]
SmackDown! [5/7/03]: Cruiserweight Championship
-Jacqueline vs. Chavo Guerrero w/Chavo Classic
Raw Is War [4/5/99]: Singles Match
-The Godfather vs. Goldust w/The Blue Meanie
Madison Square Garden [4/26/76]: WWE Championship/Steel Cage
-Stan Hansen vs. Bruno Sammartino
WrestleMania XXIV: Lumberjack Match
-Maria & Ashley vs. Melina & Beth Phoenix
[Ft. Snoop Dogg, Kelly Kelly, Eve Torres, Mickie James, Maryse, Victoria, Cherry, Michelle McCool, Layla & Jillian Hall]
Awesome!
awesome
i think the showcase should be john cena vs kane (the Zack Ryder thing) best storyline ever
After his recent retirement, they should just make one showcase focused on Daniel Bryan's career.
Im pretty sure that will be 2k18, 2k17 im expecting Taker's streak
For The Career Of Mick Foley,
This Showcase's Name Will Be "Foley Is God"
WCW SuperBrawl II '92: Singles Match:
-Cactus Jack vs. Ron Simmons
WCW Saturday Night [3/7/92]: Tag Team:
-Cactus Jack & Diamond Dallas Page vs. Barry Windham & Dustin Rhodes
WCW Beach Blast '92: Falls Count Anywhere/No Disqualification Match:
-Cactus Jack vs. Sting
WCW Clash Of The Champions '93: 3-On-3 Steel Cage Match:
-Dustin Rhodes, Sting & Cactus Jack vs. Big Van Vader, Paul Orndorff & Barry Windham
WCW Halloween Havoc '93: Extreme Rules
-Cactus Jack vs. Paul Orndorff
ECW Hostile City Showdown: No DQ:
-Cactus Jack vs. Sabu
ECW Hardcore Heaven '93:
-Cactus Jack vs. Terry Funk
ECW NWA Tournament: ECW World Tag Team Championships:
-Mikey Whipwreck & Cactus Jack vs. The Public Enemy [Rocco Rock & Johnny Grunge]
ECW Hardcore TV [1/31/95]: Falls Count Anywhere:
-Cactus Jack vs. The Sandman
ECW Hardcore TV [1/27/96]: ECW World Tag Team Championships:
-Cactus Jack & Mikey Whipwreck vs. Shane Douglas & Tommy Dreamer
In Your House 7: Good Friends, Bitter Enemies: No DQ:
-Mankind vs. The Undertaker
King Of The Ring '96:
-Mankind vs. The Undertaker
In Your House: Buried Alive '96: Buried Alive
-Mankind vs. The Undertaker
Monday Night RAW [2/3/97]: Tag Team
-Faarooq & Mankind vs. The Undertaker & Ahmed Johnson
Monday Night RAW [3/10/97]: Tag Team
-Vader & Mankind vs. The Undertaker & Sycho Sid
SummerSlam '97: Steel Cage Match
-Mankind vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley
Monday Night RAW [8/27/97]
-Mankind vs. Shawn Michaels
[Featuring Rick Rude]
One Night Only '97: Singles Match
-Dude Love vs. Hunter Hearst Helmsley
Royal Rumble '98: Royal Rumble Match
-Cactus Jack, Chainsaw Charlie, The Rock, Mosh, Mankind, Goldust, Dude Love & Faarooq
WrestleMania XIV '98: Dumpster Match
-Cactus Jack & Chainsaw Charlie vs. The New Age Outlaws [Road Dogg & Billy Gunn]
King Of The Ring '98: Hell In A Cell Match
-Mankind vs. The Undertaker
[Featuring Terry Funk & Mr. McMahon]
Fully Loaded '98: Tag Team Championships
-Mankind & Kane vs. "Stone Cold" Steve Austin & The Undertaker
SummerSlam '98: Tag Team Championships
-Mankind & Kane vs. The New Age Outlaws
Breakdown '98: Triple Threat/Steel Cage
-Mankind vs. The Rock vs. Ken Shamrock
Judgement Day '98: IC Championship
-Mankind vs. Ken Shamrock
Monday Night RAW [11/23/98]: Triple Threat/ Hardcore Championship:
-Mankind vs. Big Boss Man vs. Ken Shamrock
Royal Rumble '99: "I Quit" Match/ WWE Championship
-Mankind vs. The Rock
Halftime Heat: Falls Count Anywhere:
-Mankind vs. The Rock
WrestleMania XV '99: #1 Contender For SGR In The Main Event:
-Mankind vs. Big Show
Monday Night RAW [5/10/99]: Handicap Match:
-Cactus Jack vs. Ministry Of Darkness [Mideon & Viscera]
SmackDown! [9/9/1999]: Tag Team/Buried Alive Match
-Rock N' Sock Connection [The Rock & Mankind] vs. The Unholy Alliance [Big Show & The Undertaker]
[Featuring Triple H]
No Mercy '99: Singles Match
-Mankind vs. Val Venis
Survivor Series '99: Tag Team Championships:
-New Age Outlaws vs. Mankind & Al Snow
Royal Rumble '00: Extreme Rules
-Cactus Jack vs. Triple H
[Featuring Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley]
No Way Out '00: Hell In A Cell Match
-Cactus Jack vs. Triple H
[Featuring Stephanie McMahon-Helmsley]
WrestleMania XVI '00: Fatal 4-Way For The WWE Championship:
-Big Show w/Shane McMahon vs. The Rock w/Mr. McMahon vs. Mick Foley w/Linda McMahon vs. Triple H w/Stephanie McMahon
WrestleMania XX '04: Tag Team Match
-Rock N' Sock Connection [The Rock & Mick Foley] vs. Evolution [Batista, Ric Flair & Randy Orton]
Backlash '04: Extreme Rules:
-Cactus Jack vs. Randy Orton
[Featuring Eric Bischoff]
WrestleMania 22 '06: Extreme Rules:
-Mick Foley vs. Edge w/Lita
ECW One Night Stand '06: Tag Team/ Extreme Rules Match:
-Mick Foley & Edge w/Lita vs. Terry Funk & Tommy Dreamer w/Beulah McGillicutty
Vengeance '06: 2/3 Falls Match
-Mick Foley vs. Ric Flair
SummerSlam '06: "I Quit" Match
-Mick Foley w/Melina vs. Ric Flair
Royal Rumble '08: Royal Rumble Match #22
-Mick Foley, Shawn Michaels, The Miz, The Undertaker, Kane, Batista, Mr. Kennedy, Big Daddy V, Mark Henry, Chavo Guerrero & Triple H
I'd like to see the rise and fall of WCW/ECW showcase.
e&c vs Dudleys vs hardys would be an awesome one
it would be cool if they made a showcase about the undertaker from his day view till know and include his sibling rivalry with kane
Maybe in a future wwe game there will be a Sheild showcase
would be nice if only 8 superstars could be on screen at once or alot of that roster was not in TNA
this would be a great idea
it has both attitude era and ruthless agression era and the best roster
but they aint gonna do that :(
future wrestling games. You guessing WHOOO YOU IS WRONG
What about ruthless aggression era showcase, just like how www 13 had attitude era?
I hope 19 will be 20 year's of Kane. probably won't be though since 16 isn't 25 years of taker
2k 17 geht ja übel ab
I want WWE2k 17 to have a Road to WrestleMania mode.
It would be nice if 2k make a showcase about the feud of randy orton and john cena
I can't wait till 2k16
hopefully HCTP times square parking lot & training room returns
I think the next showcase should just follow takers career
+Caden Clippinger Him and others. 2K15's was good w/ Cena and Punk and HHH and Michael's. But there are plenty of other rivlaries I'd like to see put into the showcase.
am I the only one who wants a season mode like the one in 2007 smackdown vs raw
if they do a undertaker one hopefully they do the cm punk vs undertaker feud cause that feud was awesome
wwe 2k needs to make for wwe 2k17 a 3 faces of Foley showcase mode
I want to see jeff hardy in 2k17
me too
Would be great to have jeff hardy back❤️
No it wouldn't
it wouldn't
+Daniel “DAN GAMING” Wright it would be cool to have jeff back
Yacqub Hussein vs AJ Styles would be good!
Suplex City Too predictable, no matter what stipulation. Jeff has always been a PG Aggression guy, what we need is a guy like another Kane or Undertaker
I would love These showcases tho
Am I the only one who wants Undertaker and Kane showcase
Am I the only one who wants a Randy Orton Showcase
do they got the game out
I highly doubt that wwe going to put romin reighs on the cover
The years are off it goes from December 2001 to January 2001 lol
I would like the showcase mode have brock lesnar in 2014-2016 and the rise and fall of the shield 2012-2016 and I know that they broke up in 2014 but I would like to see roman and seth's world title run
Does anybody know if 2k will make more showcases for w2k16?
theres just the austin showcase and the hof one
+Jaedyn Rosemond there is one I'm just not sure which one it is
+Wyin8tor is there really another one?
wwe 2k 17 has not been out yet
I'm sorry about I wrote only the hart Fondation & brian pillman i mean the hart foundation and pillman vs steve austin and michaels
Daniel Bryan vs Authority
Sami Zayn's journey to the NXT title
Shield showcase
Randy Orton vs Triple H (2009)
it should be hardys vs dudlys vs edge and Christian
Is there Hornswoggle?
they should do Jeff Hardy vs Matt Hardy/CM Punk from 2009
for showcase they might have a Daniel Bryan one
Roman renigs might be on the cover of wwe2k17 or Seth Rollins
tell wwe 2k to make this showcase real,it would be good
plus 10 new rivalries
n.W.o vs D-Generation-X
Umaga & Shane 'O' Mac vs John Cena & Bobby Lashley
Lex Luger vs Yokozuna
Stunning Steve Austin vs Flyin' Brian
123 Kid vs Razor Ramon
Million Dollar Corporation & Virgil vs The Mega Powers
The McMahons & Triple H vs Legacy
The Nation Of Domination vs Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Hart Foundation & Brian Pillman
Undertaker And Paul Wight vs Kane
it should be the shield for the 2k showcase
Can you get 2k17 in New Zealand
2k17 would be the best if this was real
I didn't know there was wwe 2k17
I think they should bring back the "my career" mode
It's in lol
they need to put goldberg jeff hardy rey mysterio & RVD back on the game lol
The Slam jam wwe2k17 new game .
no it needs jeff hardy vs matt hardy do you watch wwe
The Shield vs Wyatt family must be on the game
+Juan Pablo Trota Not really, the rivalry was only a month.
+Smart Mark sorry I tought that it was longer
Should it. Be stone cold vs the rock?
insted of wwe showcase i wanna see something similar to 30 years of wrestlemania but instead all mitb matches
The Hardy's & Gail Kim are in TNA so you can't use them.
What about Kane vs Undertaker
The Shield
HBK
HHH
you forgot edge vs the undertaker TLC match at one night stand:extreme rules.
I was wrong sorry.
you just create an art
Hady Boyz😍
please can you tell wwe to tell 2k about all things I suggested for making wwe 2k17
I think Roman or Ambrose will be on the cover most likely Roman
ya salio el 2k17??????
tell them to add in the trish vs lita rivalry their match in wretslemania 25
unlockables:
lita attire wretslemania 21
trish stratus canadian attire wm 21
wm 21 arena
Why can't you just enjoy this game while its here tether thank thinking so far ahead about the next one and when that finally comes out you'll do the same thing over 2k18
as good as these are its prob going to be daniel bryans story/career mabye even....a ROH match
the cover is not good at all the rivalries are great... hope they hav atleast two of these rivalries in the new game
i would like to see the midnight express
I wish this was the game so bad!!!!!
only if curt Hawkins was in the wwe
None if these will happen as some of the superstars aren't and won't be in the game like right to sensor the hardy so etc