They've legit had re runs with the entire team comp there or back to back. Black swan + kafka re run ? Ruan mei + firefly now firefly + fuge. Legit fexiou +topaz +robin then adventurine right after. No way I could pull all that with the 50/50 mechanic
And on top of that, team building in HSR is too restrictive with no 4 star substitute. Firefly without Ruan Mei is shit, also Feixiao without Robin drops her and her team damage up to 50-60%. Black Swan without a detonator (Kafka) is losing half of her power.
@windowcatt I don't have robin so I haven't used my fexiou at all. She's just sitting on my account with 80/150+ crit dmg not doing anything cause how the heck was I so post to get them both at the same time. Then doing end game isn't fun when hoolay has 200 speed & the tvs have 5 break bars lol. You legit gotta get the support unit for the comp in this game to play said comp now. I use to be able to use clara n topaz follow up but now topaz with fexiou no robin does 0 dmg to end game
I enjoy the endgame content being dificult to full clear, otherwise where would be the satisfaction, if everything was a pushover? But the character powercreep is way too fast right now. Its not ok for top tier support to be made pretty much redundant within one patch cycle, like Sparkle was. When you get a new high end damage dealer, they should stay viable for at least couple of years, but now it seems they get seriously powercrept in just few months.. Hopefully this is just a unique stage for hsr and not a new standard for the speed of power scaling of new chars.
Agree, the powercreep is at fault here because they keep releasing units with twice the multipliers and adjust enemies HP to that instead. I also enjoy difficult things and sometimes HSR nail it, but most of the time they only need high multipliers characters and too specific, can't say all of them difficult with interesting mechanics, rather a roster check.
Those who want high difficulty in a gacha game are begging to be milked for all they are worth. You cannot apply normal game logic to a gacha game. Gacha games are casual, because if they are not casual they inevitably become pay to win. What other gachas have you played besides Hoyo games?
the only game that has low powercreep is genshin. that's because the reactions in genshin means that even some 4 stars are able to do the job good enough, while for star rail its completely different. you will never see a 4 star actually be insane because they're all just...mid. in genshin, builds and team reactions are very important parts of dmg if you don't wanna use a hypercarry. for example: bloom teams. that's the best example. you can literally build a full team of 4 star characters that have hyperbloom synergies and it literally works wonderfully. that's not the same for star rail. sure you can use luka superbreak but like... wtf? i really am getting tired of the powercreep and trying to catch up as you said. I'm thinking of pulling Aglaea because I love her design but knowing that castorice might just come out and sweep her out like dust is scaring me and tiring me alot
Genshin has c2 powercreep lol, jokes aside constellation creep is kinda bad but c0r0 not really, yk it's barely there when pyro archon(5.3) seems to be 15 percent better than hu tao(1.3) on their bis
You forget they don't have jack shit of content to offer to even has powercreep. And btw, they DO have powercreep, although not as rampaging like HSR but it's not because they design it better either, it's just because they don't have shit to offer to even need powercreep
Eh.. it just seem like EVERY character in genshin depends on the reaction rather than their kits. That sounds more MID to me, cuz no matter the kit, you're still playing the same elemental reactions. Hack and slash supposed to be more than: hit once (apply element) >> change character >> hit twice (reaction). Look at Wuwa and ZZZ, where's the parry? The combos? the intro-outro attacks? Genshin is easy and the mechanic is too generelized for casual players, that's why it has less powercreep. Play other action RPGs for once.
Endgame cycles are also responsible for this. Remember when PF was for Erudition, MoC for mixed scenarios and AS for break ? Well, nowadays, PF are for Erudition and both MoC and AS are literally "whatever we're selling atm". We already know 2.6 to 3.0 endgames are all going to be Erudition checks (which, surprise, surprise comes after waves of single target focused units to incentivize spending). It's terrible from a player perspective, because the endgames were separated to enable variety. I love Jade, but when I pull out my Jade for all 3 endgames just because HSR decided every mode has to become PF adjacent, I cannot help but feel things went wrong. And just a few patches ago, it was the complete reverse with PF being the easiest of the 3 gamemodes to sell Hunt units, so it makes me wonder why you'd want to diversify your account and pull units you like along the way, instead of just following trends and pull the latest shiny to solve all 3 endgames. At this point, the separation feels utterly meaningless and I hope the trend doesn"t continue
i started in 2.5, not even a f2p and i’m basically cooked i play a couple of gacha games and I think if the general situation in HSR doesnt change, it’s gonne be the game to drop
You started like 3 months ago, wtf do you mean "coocked"? It takes 6+ months to be able to clear all the content if you just started playing. People these days...
My take( from the leaks and my personal experience and I will not mention leaks) : powercreep will get slowly get worse from 3.0 to 3.1 then 3.2 there will be a Huge powercreep like what acheron did in her release From 3.2 powercreep will steadily increase People will still play the game as fate collab will be close After fate collab hoards of people will drop the game as its not fun anymore
3.1-3.2 is probs the peak dpses coming and shining, also def we getting new harmony soon like 3.1,ruan mei sparkle robin gap was so close so imo Also therta seems yeah... She is op birds say.
That would only apply to fans of the Fate franchise. While I agree that there is a big player drop-off incoming, I do not think the ending of the Fate colab is going to be the catalyst for that. I think it's going to be earlier. In fact, I think the early stages of the drop-off have already begun. It's not in full swing yet but the ball has been set in motion and is approaching the cliff.
@@Satyr42 but still I have seen lot of people saying " i guess I will wait for date before quitting" from even non fate fans as they don't want to miss on the hype that might come with and I also do understand your point But after the collab there will probably be no bigger reason to play
@@jerryeljeremy7790 Most people who play Hoyo games are tourists. Most of them never played any other gacha games before Genshin Impact. This goes for all Hoyo games. Hoyo is what Amsterdam is for my country, the Netherlands. A containment zone for obnoxious tourists.
i cant even clear the newer endgame content as a week 1 player because all the newer dps characters i dont like and dont wanna pull, which led me to getting bricked. powercreep is a pretty big issue for me because now i cant even get all the jades to pull better characters
you can still clear all the endgame content with 1.0 dps units… yes the newer units are stronger but not 2x stronger, not even 1.5 time stronger, stop creating problems that doesn’t even exist. Not to mention the older dps units still get benefit from newer support and are able to compete with the newer units, see sunday with dhil or jingyuan, topaz with feixiao… content creators are amplifying the power creep issue way more than it actually matters.
i have zero faith inn hsr now, i have not logged in since doing moc, and i have no desire too at this point given that i am not allowed to use the units i like because as soon as the patch ends the unit is power crept or the meta shifted. Mihoyo does a very bad job with designing chars kits imo because they make them soo locked down that unless it is 3pm on tuesday the 17th with E1S36 you will be 2 enery short of a 3 turn ult rotation BUT hey E56 fixs that issue! i am scared to invest in any char i like now because of it and it just ruined my fun to even want to play as since I can never get my units to do what I want no matter the investment because they zre not rekeased this patch thus outdated is just too scummy for me I am out.
Yeah it feels so bad to have built older units that I really liked, only to feel that they're so suboptimal when I use them, especially when their main kit has just become part of a new meta character's even more complicated kit
Im a chad who pulls for characters I like and pass on ones I dont like, meta be damned....(tgough I did play meta for 1.x just to get my account's feet on the ground) 2.x was rough because I like sparkle and nobody else lol. I got firefly just cuz I really really needed some updated dps and she was the cheapest to build a team for. But yeah, hoyo took a steaming dump on sparkle in terms of mechanics and future character synergies (I dont have DHIL btw) so its really an uphill battle for me. Oddly enough I was able to fully clear every moc and AS. But tbis latest PF? Naw bro. There is just no way. I STRUGGLED just to get 50k. 60k is impossible lol. I like Herta so Im sure my PF performance will spike up after I get her (I will have at least 30k jade for her), but if they deliberately make all of 3.x hate on herta like they did 2.x for sparkle, my account gonna get bricked I swear.
Sparkle has the same case with Jiaoqiu. She is a niche support not really that universal. Outside her BiS teams, she is decent but not the best like Jiaoqiu.
>"meta be damned" >"I STRUGGLED just to get 50k" I wonder what's the issue? Imagine not playing by the rules of the game and wondering why the odds weren't in your favor.
@@Grayewicked yeah. Just this once. And Im getting the Herta next patch so Im sure pf will be easy enough then. 80 jade is an acceptable loss for playing characters I enjoy more.
Honestly ill wait till 3.1-3.2, but won't care about meta heavily during that gap. After 3.2 release and how much the new shiny dpses powercreeps others and endgame hp changes, i will quit(likely) or stay.
Definitely easier to win if you pay. I have Acheron s1 and Feixiao s0 and Im still struggling with pure fiction and moc, joined in 2.0. I cleared everything 3 stars at one point but can't do it this rotation because I don't have good enough stats to brute force it and don't have the characters that the lineup is meant for. Some ppl say "skill issue" but its not, the skill ceiling in hsr is very low, once you understand how combat works its pretty easy to play correctly because you have infinite time to think and can reset as much as you like. It mostly comes down to a) do you have the right characters and b) do they have good enough stats. Imo HSR is kinda pushing that line where if you're f2p and haven't played since launch or close to it it's not easy at all to consistently clear endgame even if you have decent luck and are doing everything right.
@PartherB8 no jq sadly, I took a break when he was out so I had no idea he even existed. But also I really am not a fan of him so kinda upsetting that he's the only dedicated support for Acheron.
Gacha is just a fancy name for P2W products. They are all P2W products. Luck and P2W are the only way to progress. F2P friendly is also a myth and skill is not required.
There is no defending powercreep in HSR. Just take a look at how discussions online talk about older characters, it's always framed as the new character being a direct upgrade, or how the older characters are barely hanging on. And HSR's only been out for less than 2 years.
HSR is evolving, yeah but in a bad way. ONE single cycle of HP inflation, ONE oversaturate kit design and everybody stop pulling immediately. Nobody want to weave in for some random herta bullshit, or Agleae, Agle-WHO? Everybody is banking on the Feixiao or the Firefly of Summon archetype, until then I don't see any of the banner is gonna get jack shit of sale, and rerun is out of the question. If you miss it the first run, you better not even try getting it and bank on the new archetype already, Archeron rerun is fucked, even Feixiao will probably having the same problem in her rerun. Nobody is gonna pull on the old archetype in these days and age. If they're not DIRECTLY buffing older unit up, they ain't gonna get anyone pulling, new or old, only a very selected few will get the pull.
Can we stop... please... Like seriously this whole "shifting meta" and "powercreep is crazy" nonsense. Like fuck the only thing that's hard is the last stages of apocalyptic shadowws/pure fiction/whatever the third one is called again. You miss out on like what? 1 pull? maybe 5 at most? This is supposed to be end game content so it is baffling to me that half the time people were bitching about it being to easy and trying to break records into 0 cycle shenanigans (no point to that) and now it's become a little bit harder (like end game content supposed to be) and suddenly it's the goddamned apocalypse. I'm so tired of this BS.
Hey guys! Let me enjoy my harder content that's just really more hp! You don't spend as much as I do? Too bad! You don't get to enjoy the whole game! There. I translated.
@@galaxydust_ you mean you didn't even try to understand what they said and looked dumb while doing it? like bro if you live on hsr just to zero cycle the 3 end game modes then all current characters can do it. not every one cares about that stuff some play for the story others just do silly runs ins simulated and divergent universes. you comment reeks of ignorance. pull who you went and who you like. powercreep isn't an issue its you people that are the issue
i know wht you mean, people said it wasn't hard, make it hard now its too hard, bruh like this is the reason i stop engaging with a good chunk of the community at large. lets on even start on the cc side of things
@@galaxydust_People like you make hsr endgame seem like its terrible. Every Penacony boss had a unique mechanic to differentiate from the rest, and had a different counter. Aven was one of the best bosses in the games, but ofc everyone wants everything to be a pushover.
@@verse2702 Have you ever considered the possibility that your personal experience is not the centerpiece of the entire universe? Maybe, just maybe, other people have a different experience? And if your answer to that is "you are wrong because I have placed myself at the center of all things" then you might be a narcissist.
@@tim-myton6361fairly easy honestly, only spend your jades on characters that help your account rather than the "oh I love them" characters and grind the hell out of gear. Better gear will always be better than a new kit. Cracked stats can get your 0 cycle faster than getting whatever the new "tier 0"rank.
Definitely not F2p friendly due to the sheer amount of characters being released, leading to a higher chance of newer characters being better than the old ones. I had to break f2p cause of this (and my partial rotten luck) I'm not a whale but I am somewhat of a dolphin now 💀
this game pulled me in....for 4 weeks and i already starting to drop it already, nothing much to do. Not worth to even invest from how end game content is
I said this but got some hate instead lol, some try to rebalance with direct buffing but that just proves that powercreep exists anyway and hsr ain't buffing old chard
Yes it is p2w. If don't have some luck on your side and lose every 50/50 then you are cooked. The Hp changes in this game is insane. Every so often a new character comes and powercreep the other in a blink.
Firefly is powercreep imune. She can bruteforce since her release all kind of content and thats thanks to her fire implant skill. Also they will release fugue next week. She can let firefly break enemies 2 times and make her dmg go skyrocked high. Fugue is basically Jiaoqiu for firefly. They released jiaoqiu to optimize acheron and now they did the same with firefly.
Spoiler, 3.1 MoC they permanently LOCK the toughness bar, at least it's just on 1 side, but you know what this mean right ? Nobody is above the powercreep
For every HSR players (and tourists), *imagine HSR only has ONE endgame mode.* After that imagine how easy it is to fully complete building 2 premium teams and vertical invest because you don't need to worry about AOE or BREAK mechanics for the other gamemodes. That's what I felt when playing Genshin. 4 years without anything to do. People that said "this game has less powercreep" & "HP inflation goes crazy" are new to Hoyo games. Every 1.X and some parts in 2.X are where the games being experimented. Look at the 1.X chars in Genshin compared to 2.X, the differences are clear. I bet ZZZ will face the same problem when entering 2.X.
First if all the thumbnails r getting out of hand, and as a free2play i manage to do everything even with non-meta characters... I dont have ff nor feixiao. Im a blade jade and dots owner an ive done all endgames just fine. A lot of ppl think that just getting characters is enough but honestly its a strategy game, it takes time and effort and actually building characters right. So yall r bad or sm cus a lot of ppl cant even do stuff with e2 characters and its crazy to see gameplays that just do random things.
TLDW: clearing everywhere piece of endgame content within 0-1 cycles isn't as easy as breathing, so the game must be pay-2-win These doom post videos are always wild to me because they're blowing things out of proportion for clicks. Have enemies become tougher, yes, has DPS gone up due to better kit design and team synergy, yes, but to expect everything to stay the same would defeat the purpose of playing the game. People forget how fast they lose interest when things are too easy and they also forget how poorly designed games are on initial release. That's not too disparage the devs, but 1.0 kits are atrocious (most) and the kits that came after slowly built upon with lessons learned overtime. Yes, kits will and should improve, but the combat and challenge should as well to keep up. I see power creep as making older units useless, but that's different from diminished pull value. Most of HSRs units are still viable outside of the zero cycle category, which means useful, but just not as good as newer units. Let's be real, the gear game is what will determine how affective your 3 are in this game way more than having someone with a higher multiplier because need a strong base to multiply from in the first place
If there's one rule I learned after playing all hoyo games. NEVER EVER pull for 1.X units (unless they are support, and a really good one which is rare). Why you ask? Because 1.X is where games are still in their experimental state. People saying Genshin has less powercreep. Pfft BS. Look at Eula, the 1.X char, look at her kit and how BIG her DMG is. That's my tip for you folks.
you are amplifying the problem way too much, yes theres power creep in the game but not as significant as all content creators make it seem, at any patch, any unit/team archetype can become meta, super break, feixiao and acheron teams will still be relevant in 3.0, end game will be favoring the new archetype but wont prevent older units from clearing. When 4.0 will come with another new archetype, all those teams i mentionned will be on par again. Also saying that light cones are mandatory to unlock the full potential of a unit is the biggest lie ever, you took rappa for example, prydwen says theres a 20% difference between her cone and some f2p options and they are very reliable theory crafters, while 20% is something to consider, it’s not the difference between a 0 cycle and a 5 cycle run, same for sunday lc compared to bronya lc.
As an F2p i cleared all content with no money or even battle pass brought i can clear the contents, the secret is pull for 5" support characters and only ( if enough ) pull for 5* dps and their signatures if you don't have f2p option, personally luck is one thing in this too. My luck in hsr as an f2p is outrageous because i only lost 3 times in limited banners, i used to have 9 winstreak limited character pulls starting from E1 ruanmei to sparkle rerun until it revoked by feixiao. Yeah HP inflation is shit in this game i noticed it because Acheron can't blitz everything anymore like it used too. I also pull for character constellation if i had more pulls ( E2S1 Acheron haver ) after rerun. Also all my 5* limited supports doesn't have signatures because i had to save for future characters for my roster. Right now i recently got Sunday to prepare for summon meta and at E0 he is already good. Next banners characters like fugue, herta and aglea all peaked my interest to pull and i try to use my luck and sweat to use all the jades given in the game. Also pull for aventurine because hes the pinnacle of getting through everything, E0 would work good enough.
I don’t really see this as a problem for most players who play for the story or who aren’t interested in getting all the stars. Case in point, I have a lot of characters, and I consistently get full star clears, but I’m well aware this is a byproduct of my collector instincts. As collecting characters is my primary goal, getting full stars is nice but not essential. And I think that’s the case with most of HSR’s content. Same is true for other Gacha games, I play Genshin and despite buying a lot of characters, I have never once achieved full stars, and that’s okay. Waifu over META.
The HP inflation has also happened in the overworld. You may not have noticed if you're a long time player but I heard quite a few horror stories about the new player experience.
Lol y’all just need to know how to organize your pulls , u don’t need every single character in the game I still playing dot and still cleaning the content lmao just don’t pull for everything that’s it lmao
I bleeds into the real problem of 2.x being units being so dependent on other units for their archetype, with no good cheap replacements. FuA without Robin is mid, Break withou Ruan is pain, Acheron without Jiaoqiu is struggle city, etc. The 4 star options, with the exception of March 7th/Moze are on the verge of becoming "not enough", hence why some people feel the difference more than others. If you play DoT, the difference between a full premium DoT team and an incomplete one feels like night and day...And it's the archetype with arguably the better f2p alternatives, along with FuA, and it's wild to me.
They've legit had re runs with the entire team comp there or back to back. Black swan + kafka re run ? Ruan mei + firefly now firefly + fuge. Legit fexiou +topaz +robin then adventurine right after. No way I could pull all that with the 50/50 mechanic
And on top of that, team building in HSR is too restrictive with no 4 star substitute. Firefly without Ruan Mei is shit, also Feixiao without Robin drops her and her team damage up to 50-60%. Black Swan without a detonator (Kafka) is losing half of her power.
@@windowcatt yeah zzz Lucy, sokaku, seth & Nichole go crazy
@windowcatt I don't have robin so I haven't used my fexiou at all. She's just sitting on my account with 80/150+ crit dmg not doing anything cause how the heck was I so post to get them both at the same time. Then doing end game isn't fun when hoolay has 200 speed & the tvs have 5 break bars lol.
You legit gotta get the support unit for the comp in this game to play said comp now. I use to be able to use clara n topaz follow up but now topaz with fexiou no robin does 0 dmg to end game
@@gamer_jss yeah, they legit lock a gameplay mechanic that is supposed to be available behind a paywall
@windowcatt it's wild
I enjoy the endgame content being dificult to full clear, otherwise where would be the satisfaction, if everything was a pushover? But the character powercreep is way too fast right now. Its not ok for top tier support to be made pretty much redundant within one patch cycle, like Sparkle was. When you get a new high end damage dealer, they should stay viable for at least couple of years, but now it seems they get seriously powercrept in just few months.. Hopefully this is just a unique stage for hsr and not a new standard for the speed of power scaling of new chars.
Agree, the powercreep is at fault here because they keep releasing units with twice the multipliers and adjust enemies HP to that instead.
I also enjoy difficult things and sometimes HSR nail it, but most of the time they only need high multipliers characters and too specific, can't say all of them difficult with interesting mechanics, rather a roster check.
Those who want high difficulty in a gacha game are begging to be milked for all they are worth. You cannot apply normal game logic to a gacha game. Gacha games are casual, because if they are not casual they inevitably become pay to win. What other gachas have you played besides Hoyo games?
the only game that has low powercreep is genshin. that's because the reactions in genshin means that even some 4 stars are able to do the job good enough, while for star rail its completely different. you will never see a 4 star actually be insane because they're all just...mid. in genshin, builds and team reactions are very important parts of dmg if you don't wanna use a hypercarry. for example: bloom teams. that's the best example. you can literally build a full team of 4 star characters that have hyperbloom synergies and it literally works wonderfully. that's not the same for star rail. sure you can use luka superbreak but like... wtf? i really am getting tired of the powercreep and trying to catch up as you said. I'm thinking of pulling Aglaea because I love her design but knowing that castorice might just come out and sweep her out like dust is scaring me and tiring me alot
Only hoyo game
Genshin has c2 powercreep lol, jokes aside constellation creep is kinda bad but c0r0 not really, yk it's barely there when pyro archon(5.3) seems to be 15 percent better than hu tao(1.3) on their bis
You forget they don't have jack shit of content to offer to even has powercreep. And btw, they DO have powercreep, although not as rampaging like HSR but it's not because they design it better either, it's just because they don't have shit to offer to even need powercreep
I don't like genshin but I agree with you on this point
Eh.. it just seem like EVERY character in genshin depends on the reaction rather than their kits. That sounds more MID to me, cuz no matter the kit, you're still playing the same elemental reactions.
Hack and slash supposed to be more than: hit once (apply element) >> change character >> hit twice (reaction). Look at Wuwa and ZZZ, where's the parry? The combos? the intro-outro attacks?
Genshin is easy and the mechanic is too generelized for casual players, that's why it has less powercreep. Play other action RPGs for once.
Endgame cycles are also responsible for this. Remember when PF was for Erudition, MoC for mixed scenarios and AS for break ? Well, nowadays, PF are for Erudition and both MoC and AS are literally "whatever we're selling atm". We already know 2.6 to 3.0 endgames are all going to be Erudition checks (which, surprise, surprise comes after waves of single target focused units to incentivize spending).
It's terrible from a player perspective, because the endgames were separated to enable variety. I love Jade, but when I pull out my Jade for all 3 endgames just because HSR decided every mode has to become PF adjacent, I cannot help but feel things went wrong. And just a few patches ago, it was the complete reverse with PF being the easiest of the 3 gamemodes to sell Hunt units, so it makes me wonder why you'd want to diversify your account and pull units you like along the way, instead of just following trends and pull the latest shiny to solve all 3 endgames. At this point, the separation feels utterly meaningless and I hope the trend doesn"t continue
I kinda like the Aoe content because i am a Jade Main
i started in 2.5, not even a f2p and i’m basically cooked
i play a couple of gacha games and I think if the general situation in HSR doesnt change, it’s gonne be the game to drop
You started to late. You need more time to vertical invest in your characters.
@@mcutv959Started too late? I think you mean ‘haven’t been playing long enough.’
Ignore these two. I've played all but two patches and powercreep and hp inflation is just dumb
You started like 3 months ago, wtf do you mean "coocked"?
It takes 6+ months to be able to clear all the content if you just started playing.
People these days...
Nah bro, you aren’t even at that point to be saying any of that, lol
My take( from the leaks and my personal experience and I will not mention leaks)
: powercreep will get slowly get worse from 3.0 to 3.1 then 3.2 there will be a Huge powercreep like what acheron did in her release
From 3.2 powercreep will steadily increase
People will still play the game as fate collab will be close
After fate collab hoards of people will drop the game as its not fun anymore
3.1-3.2 is probs the peak dpses coming and shining, also def we getting new harmony soon like 3.1,ruan mei sparkle robin gap was so close so imo
Also therta seems yeah... She is op birds say.
@dreamsandhopes6802 yeah but castorice is expected to be at the top
@@satyamgupta5746 yea true tga trailer is kinda proving already
That would only apply to fans of the Fate franchise. While I agree that there is a big player drop-off incoming, I do not think the ending of the Fate colab is going to be the catalyst for that. I think it's going to be earlier. In fact, I think the early stages of the drop-off have already begun. It's not in full swing yet but the ball has been set in motion and is approaching the cliff.
@@Satyr42 but still I have seen lot of people saying " i guess I will wait for date before quitting" from even non fate fans as they don't want to miss on the hype that might come with and I also do understand your point
But after the collab there will probably be no bigger reason to play
If your a new player you can make a meta team for free but if your day one player there's nothing to grind anymore
I've been f2p since the games console release. I'm glad I can still clear all end game content
I feel like all the HSR comment section is a Warzone💀
Mostly evoked by the tourists (or Genshin players)
@@jerryeljeremy7790or maybe hsr players themselves💀
@@ChrisUchiha7 that doesn't even make sense
@@jerryeljeremy7790 Most people who play Hoyo games are tourists. Most of them never played any other gacha games before Genshin Impact. This goes for all Hoyo games. Hoyo is what Amsterdam is for my country, the Netherlands. A containment zone for obnoxious tourists.
i cant even clear the newer endgame content as a week 1 player because all the newer dps characters i dont like and dont wanna pull, which led me to getting bricked. powercreep is a pretty big issue for me because now i cant even get all the jades to pull better characters
you can still clear all the endgame content with 1.0 dps units… yes the newer units are stronger but not 2x stronger, not even 1.5 time stronger, stop creating problems that doesn’t even exist. Not to mention the older dps units still get benefit from newer support and are able to compete with the newer units, see sunday with dhil or jingyuan, topaz with feixiao… content creators are amplifying the power creep issue way more than it actually matters.
@ even with sunday i dont do enough damage idfk what ur on abt
"because all the newer dps characters i dont like and dont wanna pull"
Well I WONDER WHAT'S THE ISSUE? Hmmm... I don't know...
@ whats wrong with not wanting characters you like
@@Grayewicked1.x characters have no problem clearing in genshin.
My Dolphin Wishes keep going Bailu, my account is cursed. Bailu and Gepard stole 2 years worth of star rail pass wishes from me.
i have zero faith inn hsr now, i have not logged in since doing moc, and i have no desire too at this point given that i am not allowed to use the units i like because as soon as the patch ends the unit is power crept or the meta shifted. Mihoyo does a very bad job with designing chars kits imo because they make them soo locked down that unless it is 3pm on tuesday the 17th with E1S36 you will be 2 enery short of a 3 turn ult rotation BUT hey E56 fixs that issue! i am scared to invest in any char i like now because of it and it just ruined my fun to even want to play as since I can never get my units to do what I want no matter the investment because they zre not rekeased this patch thus outdated is just too scummy for me I am out.
Yeah it feels so bad to have built older units that I really liked, only to feel that they're so suboptimal when I use them, especially when their main kit has just become part of a new meta character's even more complicated kit
Im a chad who pulls for characters I like and pass on ones I dont like, meta be damned....(tgough I did play meta for 1.x just to get my account's feet on the ground)
2.x was rough because I like sparkle and nobody else lol. I got firefly just cuz I really really needed some updated dps and she was the cheapest to build a team for.
But yeah, hoyo took a steaming dump on sparkle in terms of mechanics and future character synergies (I dont have DHIL btw) so its really an uphill battle for me. Oddly enough I was able to fully clear every moc and AS. But tbis latest PF? Naw bro. There is just no way. I STRUGGLED just to get 50k. 60k is impossible lol.
I like Herta so Im sure my PF performance will spike up after I get her (I will have at least 30k jade for her), but if they deliberately make all of 3.x hate on herta like they did 2.x for sparkle, my account gonna get bricked I swear.
Sparkle has the same case with Jiaoqiu. She is a niche support not really that universal. Outside her BiS teams, she is decent but not the best like Jiaoqiu.
>"meta be damned"
>"I STRUGGLED just to get 50k"
I wonder what's the issue? Imagine not playing by the rules of the game and wondering why the odds weren't in your favor.
@@Grayewicked yeah. Just this once. And Im getting the Herta next patch so Im sure pf will be easy enough then. 80 jade is an acceptable loss for playing characters I enjoy more.
Honestly ill wait till 3.1-3.2, but won't care about meta heavily during that gap. After 3.2 release and how much the new shiny dpses powercreeps others and endgame hp changes, i will quit(likely) or stay.
Definitely easier to win if you pay. I have Acheron s1 and Feixiao s0 and Im still struggling with pure fiction and moc, joined in 2.0. I cleared everything 3 stars at one point but can't do it this rotation because I don't have good enough stats to brute force it and don't have the characters that the lineup is meant for. Some ppl say "skill issue" but its not, the skill ceiling in hsr is very low, once you understand how combat works its pretty easy to play correctly because you have infinite time to think and can reset as much as you like. It mostly comes down to a) do you have the right characters and b) do they have good enough stats. Imo HSR is kinda pushing that line where if you're f2p and haven't played since launch or close to it it's not easy at all to consistently clear endgame even if you have decent luck and are doing everything right.
Jiaoqiu or no?
@PartherB8 no jq sadly, I took a break when he was out so I had no idea he even existed. But also I really am not a fan of him so kinda upsetting that he's the only dedicated support for Acheron.
I think just realized too late. . .
Infliation had already started with Acheron and Ruan Mei. . .
Gacha is just a fancy name for P2W products. They are all P2W products. Luck and P2W are the only way to progress. F2P friendly is also a myth and skill is not required.
I think thereis fast power creep moving from 3.x to 3.x but then it will cqlm down.
There is no defending powercreep in HSR. Just take a look at how discussions online talk about older characters, it's always framed as the new character being a direct upgrade, or how the older characters are barely hanging on. And HSR's only been out for less than 2 years.
HSR is evolving, yeah but in a bad way.
ONE single cycle of HP inflation, ONE oversaturate kit design and everybody stop pulling immediately. Nobody want to weave in for some random herta bullshit, or Agleae, Agle-WHO? Everybody is banking on the Feixiao or the Firefly of Summon archetype, until then I don't see any of the banner is gonna get jack shit of sale, and rerun is out of the question. If you miss it the first run, you better not even try getting it and bank on the new archetype already, Archeron rerun is fucked, even Feixiao will probably having the same problem in her rerun. Nobody is gonna pull on the old archetype in these days and age. If they're not DIRECTLY buffing older unit up, they ain't gonna get anyone pulling, new or old, only a very selected few will get the pull.
Can we stop... please... Like seriously this whole "shifting meta" and "powercreep is crazy" nonsense. Like fuck the only thing that's hard is the last stages of apocalyptic shadowws/pure fiction/whatever the third one is called again. You miss out on like what? 1 pull? maybe 5 at most? This is supposed to be end game content so it is baffling to me that half the time people were bitching about it being to easy and trying to break records into 0 cycle shenanigans (no point to that) and now it's become a little bit harder (like end game content supposed to be) and suddenly it's the goddamned apocalypse. I'm so tired of this BS.
Hey guys! Let me enjoy my harder content that's just really more hp! You don't spend as much as I do? Too bad! You don't get to enjoy the whole game!
There. I translated.
@@galaxydust_ you mean you didn't even try to understand what they said and looked dumb while doing it? like bro if you live on hsr just to zero cycle the 3 end game modes then all current characters can do it. not every one cares about that stuff some play for the story others just do silly runs ins simulated and divergent universes. you comment reeks of ignorance. pull who you went and who you like. powercreep isn't an issue its you people that are the issue
i know wht you mean, people said it wasn't hard, make it hard now its too hard, bruh like this is the reason i stop engaging with a good chunk of the community at large. lets on even start on the cc side of things
@@galaxydust_People like you make hsr endgame seem like its terrible. Every Penacony boss had a unique mechanic to differentiate from the rest, and had a different counter. Aven was one of the best bosses in the games, but ofc everyone wants everything to be a pushover.
@@verse2702 Have you ever considered the possibility that your personal experience is not the centerpiece of the entire universe? Maybe, just maybe, other people have a different experience? And if your answer to that is "you are wrong because I have placed myself at the center of all things" then you might be a narcissist.
I just keep pulling what i think helps Jade. Now i can 0 cicle with her :)
But my Bs Kafka team is doomed
I can even 0c in my f2p account so it is definitely no
How do you pull that off? I am so curious.
@@tim-myton6361fairly easy honestly, only spend your jades on characters that help your account rather than the "oh I love them" characters and grind the hell out of gear. Better gear will always be better than a new kit. Cracked stats can get your 0 cycle faster than getting whatever the new "tier 0"rank.
Tell me brother, all the meta characters but I can't clear
@@Theone981980 cycles also require alot of RNG, I remember I tried to do it with E0S1 Boothill and the speed tuning was a pain in the ass
@@tim-myton6361Actual vertical investment and skill…
Definitely not F2p friendly due to the sheer amount of characters being released, leading to a higher chance of newer characters being better than the old ones.
I had to break f2p cause of this (and my partial rotten luck)
I'm not a whale but I am somewhat of a dolphin now 💀
Blade rerun soon I know it I believe and trust in it (idc what yall say e6s5 dream)
this game pulled me in....for 4 weeks and i already starting to drop it already, nothing much to do. Not worth to even invest from how end game content is
Turn base gacha game will always have power creep to the point p2w dis fact only cope people not believe it
I said this but got some hate instead lol, some try to rebalance with direct buffing but that just proves that powercreep exists anyway and hsr ain't buffing old chard
@dreamsandhopes6802 when old character getting alter/new design u know it gonna
Reverse 1999 proves you wrong.
Yes it is p2w. If don't have some luck on your side and lose every 50/50 then you are cooked. The Hp changes in this game is insane. Every so often a new character comes and powercreep the other in a blink.
I'm f2p since the game released and I think I might be cooked
Yep, of the unenjoyable kind
Firefly is powercreep imune. She can bruteforce since her release all kind of content and thats thanks to her fire implant skill. Also they will release fugue next week. She can let firefly break enemies 2 times and make her dmg go skyrocked high. Fugue is basically Jiaoqiu for firefly. They released jiaoqiu to optimize acheron and now they did the same with firefly.
As someone who as Acheron, but not Jiaoqiu, I was able to fill star the last endgame with her. Can’t remember who else I used.
@tim-myton6361 i dont have firefly but i have acheron and jiaqiou and yea its amazing
Spoiler, 3.1 MoC they permanently LOCK the toughness bar, at least it's just on 1 side, but you know what this mean right ? Nobody is above the powercreep
@Mr_DE_0395 all i can see is that firefly still clear one Side 🤣
they can make enemies that constantly lock their toughness bar bye bye break
A gacha being pay to win, wow can you believe it?
All gachas are p2w/p2p, just some are less compared to others
The game was always terribly balanced but yeah its getting worse shit tier devs there can't balance anything
For every HSR players (and tourists), *imagine HSR only has ONE endgame mode.* After that imagine how easy it is to fully complete building 2 premium teams and vertical invest because you don't need to worry about AOE or BREAK mechanics for the other gamemodes.
That's what I felt when playing Genshin. 4 years without anything to do.
People that said "this game has less powercreep" & "HP inflation goes crazy" are new to Hoyo games.
Every 1.X and some parts in 2.X are where the games being experimented. Look at the 1.X chars in Genshin compared to 2.X, the differences are clear. I bet ZZZ will face the same problem when entering 2.X.
First if all the thumbnails r getting out of hand, and as a free2play i manage to do everything even with non-meta characters... I dont have ff nor feixiao. Im a blade jade and dots owner an ive done all endgames just fine. A lot of ppl think that just getting characters is enough but honestly its a strategy game, it takes time and effort and actually building characters right. So yall r bad or sm cus a lot of ppl cant even do stuff with e2 characters and its crazy to see gameplays that just do random things.
I mean the current cycle does have wind weakness and an AOE centered boss so Blade and Jade are kinda alright to use compared to my hunt team😅
TLDW: clearing everywhere piece of endgame content within 0-1 cycles isn't as easy as breathing, so the game must be pay-2-win
These doom post videos are always wild to me because they're blowing things out of proportion for clicks. Have enemies become tougher, yes, has DPS gone up due to better kit design and team synergy, yes, but to expect everything to stay the same would defeat the purpose of playing the game. People forget how fast they lose interest when things are too easy and they also forget how poorly designed games are on initial release. That's not too disparage the devs, but 1.0 kits are atrocious (most) and the kits that came after slowly built upon with lessons learned overtime. Yes, kits will and should improve, but the combat and challenge should as well to keep up.
I see power creep as making older units useless, but that's different from diminished pull value. Most of HSRs units are still viable outside of the zero cycle category, which means useful, but just not as good as newer units.
Let's be real, the gear game is what will determine how affective your 3 are in this game way more than having someone with a higher multiplier because need a strong base to multiply from in the first place
If there's one rule I learned after playing all hoyo games. NEVER EVER pull for 1.X units (unless they are support, and a really good one which is rare).
Why you ask? Because 1.X is where games are still in their experimental state.
People saying Genshin has less powercreep. Pfft BS. Look at Eula, the 1.X char, look at her kit and how BIG her DMG is.
That's my tip for you folks.
you are amplifying the problem way too much, yes theres power creep in the game but not as significant as all content creators make it seem, at any patch, any unit/team archetype can become meta, super break, feixiao and acheron teams will still be relevant in 3.0, end game will be favoring the new archetype but wont prevent older units from clearing. When 4.0 will come with another new archetype, all those teams i mentionned will be on par again. Also saying that light cones are mandatory to unlock the full potential of a unit is the biggest lie ever, you took rappa for example, prydwen says theres a 20% difference between her cone and some f2p options and they are very reliable theory crafters, while 20% is something to consider, it’s not the difference between a 0 cycle and a 5 cycle run, same for sunday lc compared to bronya lc.
As an F2p i cleared all content with no money or even battle pass brought i can clear the contents, the secret is pull for 5" support characters and only ( if enough ) pull for 5* dps and their signatures if you don't have f2p option, personally luck is one thing in this too. My luck in hsr as an f2p is outrageous because i only lost 3 times in limited banners, i used to have 9 winstreak limited character pulls starting from E1 ruanmei to sparkle rerun until it revoked by feixiao. Yeah HP inflation is shit in this game i noticed it because Acheron can't blitz everything anymore like it used too. I also pull for character constellation if i had more pulls ( E2S1 Acheron haver ) after rerun. Also all my 5* limited supports doesn't have signatures because i had to save for future characters for my roster. Right now i recently got Sunday to prepare for summon meta and at E0 he is already good. Next banners characters like fugue, herta and aglea all peaked my interest to pull and i try to use my luck and sweat to use all the jades given in the game. Also pull for aventurine because hes the pinnacle of getting through everything, E0 would work good enough.
I don’t really see this as a problem for most players who play for the story or who aren’t interested in getting all the stars. Case in point, I have a lot of characters, and I consistently get full star clears, but I’m well aware this is a byproduct of my collector instincts. As collecting characters is my primary goal, getting full stars is nice but not essential. And I think that’s the case with most of HSR’s content.
Same is true for other Gacha games, I play Genshin and despite buying a lot of characters, I have never once achieved full stars, and that’s okay. Waifu over META.
The HP inflation has also happened in the overworld. You may not have noticed if you're a long time player but I heard quite a few horror stories about the new player experience.
@@Satyr42 oh.
Lol y’all just need to know how to organize your pulls , u don’t need every single character in the game I still playing dot and still cleaning the content lmao just don’t pull for everything that’s it lmao
I bleeds into the real problem of 2.x being units being so dependent on other units for their archetype, with no good cheap replacements. FuA without Robin is mid, Break withou Ruan is pain, Acheron without Jiaoqiu is struggle city, etc. The 4 star options, with the exception of March 7th/Moze are on the verge of becoming "not enough", hence why some people feel the difference more than others.
If you play DoT, the difference between a full premium DoT team and an incomplete one feels like night and day...And it's the archetype with arguably the better f2p alternatives, along with FuA, and it's wild to me.
@@Zephyrion22 no shit you need the right support for the right play style 💀 color me surprised