As stated on the manual or other manuals with lithium battery tools, the battery will not charge when warm. That's part of protection from over heating. Your video helped me decide between 5a ah and 6ah. For a leaf blower, it makes sense to invest on a 6ah. Thanks.
Very good real life testing! Thanks for doing this. I have Makita cordless tools and like them a lot. Always want to do some testing like you did just have never done it
as i'm just starting to get makita tools as i'm living on my own now, these video's help alot ! alot of comparisations and quality revieuws ! thanks for these video's :).
Obviously, you didn't watch for very long....... The blower was actually a much better choice, because they are extremely high drain devices and they work at full load just blowing air. A grinder would need to be grinding, not idling free with no load to get real world results.
Interesting stuff --thanks! Using the big BL leaf blower (the larger one than the one you tested) around the house I do notice what seems a much longer run time with 5Ah v 3Ah batteries but it's really no big deal for weekend chores (kinda nice to have a brew break and blame it on the charger lol). On the job though, yeah, I'm pulling a hot battery off and throwing it right on the charger. Thing is, on the job I'm running impacts, drills and saws and I get enough run time that I take no notice of how long the charge time is 'casue they are ready when the batteries in the tool quit. Still a cool video and I like the way you did the real world tests!
I did this exact test today with brand new batteries. The 4.0Ah ran the blower for 14 minutes (usable air flow, not run down till flat), and surprisingly the 5.0Ah ran the blower for 18 minutes before shutting off. Very impressed by the 5.0Ah battery!
Interesting test indeed. The results are not really that surprising though. Heat is just about every battery's enemy. The charger has to keep the cells in their happy place for longevity. Hot battery, slower charge, makes sense. It was VERY interesting that the older batteries didn't cut out. You WERE a little more than generous with the run times when the blower was barely spinning, but no big deal really. If I were you, I wouldn't let those batteries run down that low again. Obviously, they don't have near the protection, as you also pointed out, that the newer packs do. Or, perhaps those lower capacity packs actually have more robust, higher drain/charge rate cell chemistry with higher heat tolerance. Draining Li-Ion cells that low is EXTREMELY hard on them. One thing that I have done, because I have a lot of Milwaukee batteries and high drain tools(Milwaukee chargers, except the new Super Charger, don't have a built in fan), is use a small fan to cool them down for a few minutes and even direct it at the charger and battery while charging. I've use the Milwaukee jobsite fan and even little 4in usb fans for this. I found that they charged much faster that way. Now I don't put hot packs on the charger at all. But, I have enough packs now that I don't have to. I have Makita 5ah batteries and the dual charger with the built in fans and it does a much better job of keeping the packs cooler than the Milwaukee Rapid Chargers do without fans. Adding the external fan more than levels the playing field, though. Given your data from this test, it looks like you would save time by cooling the batteries before charging them. 10 min in front of a fan then 55 min is better than 96. Give it a try and see what you think. Take care of your batteries and they will return the favor. Keep up the great videos. Love the chalkboard by the way. Soapstone on steel. Love it!
Hi Mike! Right on with this approach and comment. ‘Tools and Stuff’ does have a valid point as this is what most tradespeople are going to do. I use a small fan, and even a battery operated jobsite fan, to blow over the charger and battery, and I checked them with an IR heat gun, and it makes a huge difference! Not always a practical thing, but jobsite blowers can be used in the field, and easy to set up a small fan at a workbench, wood shop area scenario. I have several 3.0 amp hour Maks that are over 4 years old and still going strong. They see use almost every day. They are always charged cold. I realize not everyone can wait, or have extra batteries to be able to rotate them out, but it helps a lot. YMMV. These Li Ion batteries have been a game changer, but their chemistry and design is very tricky. I think we will soon see a completely new and different battery technology within the next couple years or so. It should be very interesting! Cheers! 👍😁✌🏻
Thanks for this video, whilst the run & charge times were a bit confusing at first it all made sense at the end when you see it written on your chart. 👍 As you say, you was demonstrating a real life scenario which shows that these batteries take longer to charge when still warm, I presume this is more of an issue if using the SD charger (without cooling fan). It just goes to show how good the protection circuit is on the RC charger - it won't fry batteries 👌
As stated on the manual or other manuals with lithium battery tools, the battery will not charge when warm. That's part of protection from over heating.
Sounds like the 6ah battery was pumping out more power than the 3ah on the blower. Listen to the difference in sound. Might be why it didn’t last twice as long.
Hi, Just a thought...the charger most likely sets the charge current relative to the temperature of the battery. Higher temp lower current....longer charge time. It is most likely the charger not the battery that determines the charge time on any given battery.
I wonder what the numbers are under load and which battery has a better power discharge rate. I've heard others say the 5ah batteries have a higher discharge rate than the 6ah.
@@LemonySnicket-EUC Nope .. but pretty sure 6Ah give less discharge current (3000mAh cells compared to 2500mAh cells for the 5ah) and thus 6ah is less reliable (More heat with high powered tools). I ended up going with 5ah.
i would retest the 5ah drain time as it seems too low. i do not think makita would scam us with the 5ah battery. i use 4 of those 5ah with a makita chainsaw and had a feeling the hot charge time is somewhat higher than advertised. heat seems to play a big role in the charge time. they would have not bothered to put those noisy fans into the charger. (i have the double fast charger for double the auditory fun) tnx for the test!
Like your videos. Maybe the higher amp hour batteries discharge more current than the lower amp hour so they will get hotter and need a lot more cool down time
gotcha! you did not watch until the end as you would have noticed that 4ah was as it should be compared to the 3ah. the 5ah lasted somewhat lower than expected but it may be due to some protection that 3 and 4 do not have. it is good that the protection just cuts the power if the battery is getting low. i experience the same cut out with my makita saw and two 5ah. it runs a bit slow at the end and then just refuses to cut. i guess this is better for the battery health.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL i think the star protection failed on the 3 and 4. This was way too much drainage on those batteries. It should of cut out like the rest of them
good stuff mate, first day using my 5aH gear brand new and thought something was up because the charge times were rubbish but they were infact hot as after running them flat out on a grinder haha question, do you reckon the 6aH is actually worth it? kindof want more uptime with y grinder but my only option is the 6 and I dont reckon there will be much difference at all
I wouldn't bother upgrading from 5 to 6. You will only get a few minutes more run time and a longer charge time. A cold 6 takes 2 1/2 times longer to charge than a 3
I think Makita's charging time claims are more like perfect lab-conditions, means advertising. In real life many other factors matter, like as you already mentioned cell/envoirment temperature. It's more important to test the capacity I think. I chose to test the capacity of my brand new 5.0Ah battery with the flash light because the flash light tag shows how much it's using (blower doesn't). The flash light uses 18V/0.6A and that should give a runtime of ~8 hrs 20 min. for 5.0Ah battery (5Ah/0.6A=8.33333). Mine worked ~8hrs 15 min., before it cut off, which shows that the claimed 5Ah is also advertising because the cells might have 5Ah but the electronic cuts off the cells before they get too low which is really bad for them. But since Makita batteries have a kind of longevity and their power does not decrease too much over month/years of abuse, I personally can live with this limitation. Tesla batteries does the same, even more aggressively. But Tesla advertises the real usable capacity. I am not sure but at some point I read that Tesla uses only 70% of their batteries so they stay more between 20-80% C for battery health. That's why Tesla can offer a 10 years or so warranty on their packs. Thanks for the video 👍
Double ah means double time on low amp drain as in the video. But if you need a lot of amps the small batteries cannot deliver the high amp bursts, driving in a tight screw, cutting thick metal etc The 6ah can let you do jobs the 3ah won't be up to, this is the main advantage.
i have several makita 18v batteries for various cordless tools for home use (each probably gets recharged 2-3 times a month) had them for almost 7+ years now and they still seem to keep their full charge and last a while.. 7 years seems like a long time .. question- can batteries that old become “dangerous” or fire hazards? or will they eventually just stop holding a charge for an adequate time?
Hi, do you think my Makita batteries could be fake if they weigh more than your findings. I bought 5 ah batteries 18months ago which weigh 625 gms. I had 3more delivered today and they weigh 640gms..any thoughts please
I'm sure they are fine. There are small discrepancies over time and with different factories making the batteries and the fuel bars. Where did you buy the batteries?
Oh, forgot to mention, the reason the blower didn't get hot is that it had about 15 cfm(total guess) of air being pulled over the motor when it's running on full and 75 more cfm through the suction port.
Helped me out heaps i think i may get two 3ah batteries for my td173 impact driver was gunna get a 6ah as it is on a little special at placemakers but also a 3ah is also on special for almost half the price of one 6ah so getting two 3ah is almost the same price as one 6ah 😅 i probably didnt make sense appreciate the video cheers
Makita batteries made in the last couple of years have come with charge indicators, previous to that they didn't. Some places are still selling old stock without the indicator bars.
Hey mate, first of all thank you so much for your videos - extremely helpful!! Im about to purchase my first drill and just needing some advice. Looking at a Makita brushless 484z. Comes with 2 x 3ah or one 5ah. I'm only using for home, not long run times just occasionally drilling into brick, wood, driving small screws,. Any advice on which way i should go? not sure if I'm going to kill the 3ah batteries as i wont use each of them so much, is it better to just go the one 5ah? price difference is about $70 AUD more for the 2 x 3ah + a carry case? appreciate any advice and thanks again for your videos!!
I always think no matter what tool you are using, you need 2 batteries. Nothing worse than trying to finish something and the battery goes flat. And these modern Lithium batteries last for years and can be stored for up to a year and will still hold their charge.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Mate thank you so much! I just watched your other video debunking the myth that a higher ah will give more power also. So i think as you've mentioned the 2 x 3.0 ah is the way to go over the single 5.0ah. Appreciate the advice and excellent content, have subscribed!
i think makita is a bit off on their ratings. I use 8 5ah batteries to run a trolling motor for a large kayak, i have a pwm controller with a 100amp dc shunt. running it full tilt pushing air, it had a 1.7 amp draw and the battery cut off after only 39wh, of the rated 90wh. the larger batteries have under-volt protection built in and cut power after dropping below 16v.
Good stuff. Buying an external battery for my onewheel. Wanted to know how much the amperage effected weight. Looks like it's more or less negligible compared to the amperage. Here's hoping this rule played true for other brands
"you know what I am talking about.....if you don't you know where to go" lol the KISS principle applied. Yeah my 5a batteries take about the same as what you are seeing here. I have 6 of them that I sue on a 36v string trimmer and there seems to be very little difference if any at all
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I was thinking I feel the difference. I'm a landscaper and fence/deck builder so I use these tools almost daily. Thanks for your input.
Thanks for the interesting information. I’m glad you also did the cold battery test. Most of the time my tools are used on and off. I seldom use them full time like you would blowing leaves or grinding metal. Most of the time my batteries don’t tend to get very warm. I’m retired so I don’t work hard like trades people do. 😆 I also say 5 amp. The persnickety people can kma. 🤗 For reference the 2 amp battery I have weighs 383 grams. I would not normally buy a 2 amp but in the USA Makita tends to put them in their kits. When I use the fully charged 2 amp battery in my orbital sander it doesn’t seem to have as good of power as a 4 or 5 amp battery. Has this been your experience with your 3 amp? Thank you. NZ rocks… Cheers
Most people in a trade with cordless tools won't be standing next to a mains connected charger the moment the battery goes flat mate. Some will, but most won't.
Interesting results, weight and charge times..in a perfect world i guess tradies got time to rest to cold before recharge NOT "could do if you got lots of backups" but does it matter in lifetime span of battery. it should matter but does it?
Yes, it matters. Having an extra battery in the rotation will increase the longevity of all the packs. My general rule is a minimum 3 battery rotation for high drain tools. One in the tool, one on the charger, and one more cooling, waiting to be charged. I separate fan next to the charger makes a huge difference.
🤔I would not be surprised if the 2.5 amp cells used in 5 amp batteries were really manufactured as 3 amp cells, but tested too far below rated capacity. So your 5 amp may have started out pretty close to 6 amps when new, but has since slipped to be closer to a 4 amp. Whereas the 3, 4 and 6 batteries were made with cells that passed QC from the start so are holding their capacity better than the 5 amp battery.
So really is there any point to buy batteries with larger Ah? reason i ask is because if you use the 3ah, yes it runs out quicker, but is charged at the shortest time.... 6ah lasts double the time but double the charging time.... Isn't this all a big scam?
No. A professional not working is losing money. If you always have a spare battery on charge then time lost is least with the longest run time batteries. In addition, higher rated batteries actually supply more current so are useful for high torque tools.
I just bought 2 x 6Ah for a Makita chainsaw and glad I did now seeing this test. Also think the higher rated bat will have a longer overall life as it isn't working so flat-out hard.
I liked your video, but I really liked your attitude, as for the battery tests, I would really love to see you test some of the knock off copies of Makita batteries, so more people could be aware, I bought a couples, I had to test them, and they were the worst crap I ever bought, one battery lasted 2 charge, and the other now lasts about 8 minutes of use, they are supposed to be 5 amp....
Possibly they take so long because it could be doing a balance charge on all of the cells... My RC car packs act the same way when I do a balance charge...
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL strange. Makita must be more aggressive then with the cut off threshold. Hopefully translates too longer life. Thanks for doing the test. Was an informative quality watch.
Lithium cells are really fickle about temperatures when charging them, and will limit charge current or if really bad, trip built-in protection, if too warm. That fan doesn't cool the battery, just the charger. I think if you let the bigger batteries sit for 5-10 minutes before popping them in the charger after running them hot to flat, you'll likely save loads more than that on charge time. Because as is, you're asking a hot battery to cool down, _while_ charging, which _adds_ heat. People aren't being unreasonable, but I kinda think you were. At least a little bit. Ratings are pretty much always gonna be "optimal conditions". As long as it actually still charges even though run hot to flat and stuffed straight onbthe charger, there's nothong wrong with it. It's a bit like complaining that your car won't reach its rated 0-60 time or fuel consumption, when you got 4 grownups in, 5 boxes of tiles in the back and towing a caravan. With a CEL on. I dunno of that charger can deliver enough charge current to meet the 6Ah quick charge rating though..? Also - interesting to see the difference in shutdown mode on the blower, between the different batteries. Some tapering to a full drain, some shutting down when below voltsge treshold. Any correlation with the age of the batteries? Might be newer batteries have different undervoltage protection setups for extending cell lifetime and keeping capacity high.
The fans DO cool the battery, NOT the charger. The fan blows directly through the vents into the battery vents, all good brands have done that for years. The chargers cool the batteries down with the fan before charging when they are too hot. That's what they are built for. The charger is 9.5ah. Do you even use Makita LXT tools?
I would like to run my CNC with a Makita cordless router (since I am too cheap to buy a corded one just for my hobby). So, I plan to turn the cordless router into a semi-corded router (running it with an 18V power supply). My question is, what is the peak Watt usage of such a tool? What is the peak Watt maximum of a Makita battery? Has anybody ever measured the power use of a Makita 18V tool?
Interesting, lots of variables at work here, mainly age of batteries, and how many charge cycles they have been through? or, maybe it's your wearing socks AND sandles? (just kidding!)
Thank you for taking the time to test these batteries and make this video. Very helpful
As stated on the manual or other manuals with lithium battery tools, the battery will not charge when warm. That's part of protection from over heating.
Your video helped me decide between 5a ah and 6ah. For a leaf blower, it makes sense to invest on a 6ah. Thanks.
the best test i can find for makita batteries
Very good real life testing! Thanks for doing this. I have Makita cordless tools and like them a lot. Always want to do some testing like you did just have never done it
Great video now I know why my batteries last so long. I always charge my batteries after they cooled off first.
THANKS 😊
as i'm just starting to get makita tools as i'm living on my own now, these video's help alot ! alot of comparisations and quality revieuws ! thanks for these video's :).
I’m so glad the grinder is what your using to test this cause it’s going to be the most usefull one to me
Obviously, you didn't watch for very long....... The blower was actually a much better choice, because they are extremely high drain devices and they work at full load just blowing air. A grinder would need to be grinding, not idling free with no load to get real world results.
Just got some 6 amp only had 3 amp before. mine charge up like Makita says but I don`t charge right out of tools I let them cool down.
THANKS MATE
Interesting stuff --thanks! Using the big BL leaf blower (the larger one than the one you tested) around the house I do notice what seems a much longer run time with 5Ah v 3Ah batteries but it's really no big deal for weekend chores (kinda nice to have a brew break and blame it on the charger lol). On the job though, yeah, I'm pulling a hot battery off and throwing it right on the charger. Thing is, on the job I'm running impacts, drills and saws and I get enough run time that I take no notice of how long the charge time is 'casue they are ready when the batteries in the tool quit. Still a cool video and I like the way you did the real world tests!
I did this exact test today with brand new batteries. The 4.0Ah ran the blower for 14 minutes (usable air flow, not run down till flat), and surprisingly the 5.0Ah ran the blower for 18 minutes before shutting off. Very impressed by the 5.0Ah battery!
Interesting test indeed. The results are not really that surprising though. Heat is just about every battery's enemy. The charger has to keep the cells in their happy place for longevity. Hot battery, slower charge, makes sense. It was VERY interesting that the older batteries didn't cut out. You WERE a little more than generous with the run times when the blower was barely spinning, but no big deal really. If I were you, I wouldn't let those batteries run down that low again. Obviously, they don't have near the protection, as you also pointed out, that the newer packs do. Or, perhaps those lower capacity packs actually have more robust, higher drain/charge rate cell chemistry with higher heat tolerance. Draining Li-Ion cells that low is EXTREMELY hard on them. One thing that I have done, because I have a lot of Milwaukee batteries and high drain tools(Milwaukee chargers, except the new Super Charger, don't have a built in fan), is use a small fan to cool them down for a few minutes and even direct it at the charger and battery while charging. I've use the Milwaukee jobsite fan and even little 4in usb fans for this. I found that they charged much faster that way. Now I don't put hot packs on the charger at all. But, I have enough packs now that I don't have to. I have Makita 5ah batteries and the dual charger with the built in fans and it does a much better job of keeping the packs cooler than the Milwaukee Rapid Chargers do without fans. Adding the external fan more than levels the playing field, though. Given your data from this test, it looks like you would save time by cooling the batteries before charging them. 10 min in front of a fan then 55 min is better than 96. Give it a try and see what you think. Take care of your batteries and they will return the favor. Keep up the great videos. Love the chalkboard by the way. Soapstone on steel. Love it!
Hi Mike! Right on with this approach and comment. ‘Tools and Stuff’ does have a valid point as this is what most tradespeople are going to do. I use a small fan, and even a battery operated jobsite fan, to blow over the charger and battery, and I checked them with an IR heat gun, and it makes a huge difference! Not always a practical thing, but jobsite blowers can be used in the field, and easy to set up a small fan at a workbench, wood shop area scenario. I have several 3.0 amp hour Maks that are over 4 years old and still going strong. They see use almost every day. They are always charged cold. I realize not everyone can wait, or have extra batteries to be able to rotate them out, but it helps a lot. YMMV. These Li Ion batteries have been a game changer, but their chemistry and design is very tricky. I think we will soon see a completely new and different battery technology within the next couple years or so. It should be very interesting! Cheers! 👍😁✌🏻
Also interesting the battery weight. Some impressive battery improvements (3ah vs 6ah but same physical size/Weight.)
Cell chemistry has made great strides over the years. Looks like the newer chemistries may have more capacity, but not as much heat tolerance.
Thanks for this video, whilst the run & charge times were a bit confusing at first it all made sense at the end when you see it written on your chart. 👍
As you say, you was demonstrating a real life scenario which shows that these batteries take longer to charge when still warm, I presume this is more of an issue if using the SD charger (without cooling fan). It just goes to show how good the protection circuit is on the RC charger - it won't fry batteries 👌
As stated on the manual or other manuals with lithium battery tools, the battery will not charge when warm. That's part of protection from over heating.
Sounds like the 6ah battery was pumping out more power than the 3ah on the blower. Listen to the difference in sound. Might be why it didn’t last twice as long.
Yes it does. When I switch from 4ah to 5ah with my impact wrench it runs with higher rpm, more power and torque
@@Ps3t Yep, i bought DTW285 and the difference is noticable between 4ah and 5ah
Hi, Just a thought...the charger most likely sets the charge current relative to the temperature of the battery. Higher temp lower current....longer charge time. It is most likely the charger not the battery that determines the charge time on any given battery.
I wonder what the numbers are under load and which battery has a better power discharge rate. I've heard others say the 5ah batteries have a higher discharge rate than the 6ah.
Lots of help thanks and really surprised me. Especially run times, not very long 😬
Heat makes a big difference. A brand new battery will take 3-4 full charges to reveal it's real capacity as well.
Absolutely a fantastic review! Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Do you know which cells are used inside the Makita 18V 6Ah battery?
I know for the 5Ah battery it is Samsung 25R.
Did you ever find an answer to this ?
@@LemonySnicket-EUC Nope .. but pretty sure 6Ah give less discharge current (3000mAh cells compared to 2500mAh cells for the 5ah) and thus 6ah is less reliable (More heat with high powered tools). I ended up going with 5ah.
i would retest the 5ah drain time as it seems too low. i do not think makita would scam us with the 5ah battery.
i use 4 of those 5ah with a makita chainsaw and had a feeling the hot charge time is somewhat higher than advertised. heat seems to play a big role in the charge time. they would have not bothered to put those noisy fans into the charger. (i have the double fast charger for double the auditory fun)
tnx for the test!
So 3/4 amp is best? For home use? 21:23
Thank you for your video. It was really great!
Great test. These are interesting results.
Like your videos. Maybe the higher amp hour batteries discharge more current than the lower amp hour so they will get hotter and need a lot more cool down time
Might aswell stick to the 3 ah cause they charge faster and run just slightly less then a 4/5 ah cheers for video
gotcha! you did not watch until the end as you would have noticed that 4ah was as it should be compared to the 3ah. the 5ah lasted somewhat lower than expected but it may be due to some protection that 3 and 4 do not have. it is good that the protection just cuts the power if the battery is getting low. i experience the same cut out with my makita saw and two 5ah. it runs a bit slow at the end and then just refuses to cut. i guess this is better for the battery health.
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Bull, I've been on the tools all day. He didn't mention the 3's loose power before they die
Loving the flip flops and socks 👍
They're actually ISJ's
Excellent review and test, thank you!
Thanks for the time in testing this comparison. Pretty sure you'd get different results if you cool them down a bit and charge them. 👨🔧
Is that tool (the blower) with star protection?
Yes, as are all the batteries.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL i think the star protection failed on the 3 and 4. This was way too much drainage on those batteries. It should of cut out like the rest of them
good stuff mate,
first day using my 5aH gear brand new and thought something was up because the charge times were rubbish but they were infact hot as after running them flat out on a grinder haha
question, do you reckon the 6aH is actually worth it? kindof want more uptime with y grinder but my only option is the 6 and I dont reckon there will be much difference at all
I wouldn't bother upgrading from 5 to 6. You will only get a few minutes more run time and a longer charge time. A cold 6 takes 2 1/2 times longer to charge than a 3
Champion, cheers
I think Makita's charging time claims are more like perfect lab-conditions, means advertising. In real life many other factors matter, like as you already mentioned cell/envoirment temperature. It's more important to test the capacity I think. I chose to test the capacity of my brand new 5.0Ah battery with the flash light because the flash light tag shows how much it's using (blower doesn't). The flash light uses 18V/0.6A and that should give a runtime of ~8 hrs 20 min. for 5.0Ah battery (5Ah/0.6A=8.33333). Mine worked ~8hrs 15 min., before it cut off, which shows that the claimed 5Ah is also advertising because the cells might have 5Ah but the electronic cuts off the cells before they get too low which is really bad for them. But since Makita batteries have a kind of longevity and their power does not decrease too much over month/years of abuse, I personally can live with this limitation. Tesla batteries does the same, even more aggressively. But Tesla advertises the real usable capacity. I am not sure but at some point I read that Tesla uses only 70% of their batteries so they stay more between 20-80% C for battery health. That's why Tesla can offer a 10 years or so warranty on their packs. Thanks for the video 👍
So what is your suggestion best ah battery’s?
5s are all I use now, they are def the best.
Double ah means double time on low amp drain as in the video. But if you need a lot of amps the small batteries cannot deliver the high amp bursts, driving in a tight screw, cutting thick metal etc The 6ah can let you do jobs the 3ah won't be up to, this is the main advantage.
Love your videos keep it up
Thank you very much for sharing this ❣️❣️
Great test of real world use. Seems the 4.0 is actually a pretty good option to keep working.
i have several makita 18v batteries for various cordless tools for home use (each probably gets recharged 2-3 times a month) had them for almost 7+ years now and they still seem to keep their full charge and last a while.. 7 years seems like a long time .. question- can batteries that old become “dangerous” or fire hazards? or will they eventually just stop holding a charge for an adequate time?
Do they have stars on the batteries?
Or your tools?
ya star on all the bottoms of batteries, no star on makita vacuum, blower or drills though
Should be fine then. The charger will not charge the battery if it isn't safe.
how much did the batteries sag after 7 years?
@@ВладимирПетров-в4м what'd you mean sag? bloat? like expand? they show no signs of expanding.
Hi, do you think my Makita batteries could be fake if they weigh more than your findings.
I bought 5 ah batteries 18months ago which weigh 625 gms.
I had 3more delivered today and they weigh 640gms..any thoughts please
I'm sure they are fine. There are small discrepancies over time and with different factories making the batteries and the fuel bars. Where did you buy the batteries?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thanks for the reply, I bought 3 at a very good price from a UK Makita dealer .
Surely the battery run better with them going on and off rather than constant! So times won’t be as short as shown?
Oh, forgot to mention, the reason the blower didn't get hot is that it had about 15 cfm(total guess) of air being pulled over the motor when it's running on full and 75 more cfm through the suction port.
Thank you for the real life test!
The solution is clearly a fan. Preferably one of those Makita 18V ones. /s
Fans work very well for this. I've done it for years.
Great video, just what I was looking for!
Great video! I already have 3, 4&5ah batteries... always curious how the 6ah battery performs.
Really helpful video! Thank you very much!
Thanks for information
Makita = Power an Quality.
Helped me out heaps i think i may get two 3ah batteries for my td173 impact driver was gunna get a 6ah as it is on a little special at placemakers but also a 3ah is also on special for almost half the price of one 6ah so getting two 3ah is almost the same price as one 6ah 😅 i probably didnt make sense appreciate the video cheers
Why not to include the 1.5 and 2 AH?
How do you have charge indicator on yours Makita batteries ?
My Makita batteries don't have it.
Makita batteries made in the last couple of years have come with charge indicators, previous to that they didn't. Some places are still selling old stock without the indicator bars.
Hey mate, first of all thank you so much for your videos - extremely helpful!! Im about to purchase my first drill and just needing some advice. Looking at a Makita brushless 484z. Comes with 2 x 3ah or one 5ah. I'm only using for home, not long run times just occasionally drilling into brick, wood, driving small screws,. Any advice on which way i should go? not sure if I'm going to kill the 3ah batteries as i wont use each of them so much, is it better to just go the one 5ah? price difference is about $70 AUD more for the 2 x 3ah + a carry case? appreciate any advice and thanks again for your videos!!
I always think no matter what tool you are using, you need 2 batteries. Nothing worse than trying to finish something and the battery goes flat. And these modern Lithium batteries last for years and can be stored for up to a year and will still hold their charge.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Mate thank you so much! I just watched your other video debunking the myth that a higher ah will give more power also. So i think as you've mentioned the 2 x 3.0 ah is the way to go over the single 5.0ah. Appreciate the advice and excellent content, have subscribed!
i think makita is a bit off on their ratings. I use 8 5ah batteries to run a trolling motor for a large kayak, i have a pwm controller with a 100amp dc shunt. running it full tilt pushing air, it had a 1.7 amp draw and the battery cut off after only 39wh, of the rated 90wh. the larger batteries have under-volt protection built in and cut power after dropping below 16v.
Thanks man
Really helpful here
Good stuff. Buying an external battery for my onewheel. Wanted to know how much the amperage effected weight. Looks like it's more or less negligible compared to the amperage. Here's hoping this rule played true for other brands
"you know what I am talking about.....if you don't you know where to go" lol the KISS principle applied. Yeah my 5a batteries take about the same as what you are seeing here. I have 6 of them that I sue on a 36v string trimmer and there seems to be very little difference if any at all
I feel like my 5ah batteries have more power vs my 6ah in my string trimmers. 2x18v . Would like to find an answer on this topic.
5Ah batteries put out more amps than the 6Ah batteries.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL I was thinking I feel the difference. I'm a landscaper and fence/deck builder so I use these tools almost daily. Thanks for your input.
Thanks for the interesting information. I’m glad you also did the cold battery test. Most of the time my tools are used on and off. I seldom use them full time like you would blowing leaves or grinding metal. Most of the time my batteries don’t tend to get very warm. I’m retired so I don’t work hard like trades people do. 😆
I also say 5 amp. The persnickety people can kma. 🤗
For reference the 2 amp battery I have weighs 383 grams. I would not normally buy a 2 amp but in the USA Makita tends to put them in their kits.
When I use the fully charged 2 amp battery in my orbital sander it doesn’t seem to have as good of power as a 4 or 5 amp battery. Has this been your experience with your 3 amp?
Thank you. NZ rocks…
Cheers
Most people in a trade with cordless tools won't be standing next to a mains connected charger the moment the battery goes flat mate. Some will, but most won't.
Most Tradies will have power near by and most tradies should have multiple batteries.
Why makita have different colour of battery’s are they fake or ori so confused pls enlighten me for fake and what colour of genuin makita battery
How many grams are in an ozone? I from the United States.
Interesting results, weight and charge times..in a perfect world i guess tradies got time to rest to cold before recharge NOT "could do if you got lots of backups" but does it matter in lifetime span of battery. it should matter but does it?
Yes, it matters. Having an extra battery in the rotation will increase the longevity of all the packs. My general rule is a minimum 3 battery rotation for high drain tools. One in the tool, one on the charger, and one more cooling, waiting to be charged. I separate fan next to the charger makes a huge difference.
🤔I would not be surprised if the 2.5 amp cells used in 5 amp batteries were really manufactured as 3 amp cells, but tested too far below rated capacity. So your 5 amp may have started out pretty close to 6 amps when new, but has since slipped to be closer to a 4 amp. Whereas the 3, 4 and 6 batteries were made with cells that passed QC from the start so are holding their capacity better than the 5 amp battery.
Is the 6ah physically larger then the rest of the batteries?
No. All makita batteries from 3 to 6ah are the same size.
Nice review mate!
Cheers. If I had known how long it was going to take to make and edit at the start, I probably wouldn't have done it.
So really is there any point to buy batteries with larger Ah? reason i ask is because if you use the 3ah, yes it runs out quicker, but is charged at the shortest time.... 6ah lasts double the time but double the charging time.... Isn't this all a big scam?
No. A professional not working is losing money. If you always have a spare battery on charge then time lost is least with the longest run time batteries. In addition, higher rated batteries actually supply more current so are useful for high torque tools.
I just bought 2 x 6Ah for a Makita chainsaw and glad I did now seeing this test. Also think the higher rated bat will have a longer overall life as it isn't working so flat-out hard.
I liked your video, but I really liked your attitude, as for the battery tests, I would really love to see you test some of the knock off copies of Makita batteries, so more people could be aware, I bought a couples, I had to test them, and they were the worst crap I ever bought, one battery lasted 2 charge, and the other now lasts about 8 minutes of use, they are supposed to be 5 amp....
so do you empty out the batteries fully or 1 bar then charge it to get long lasting health out of them?
They are lithium batteries, it does not matter when you charge them, they have no memory.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL guess makita haves a battery care guide on their website
If you don't believe me then that's fine, go look for the same info from Makita.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL just taking as much information as I can.
Well done.
Thanks for the video!
I would have liked to see the 1.5ah too.
The weight was down on the 5ah, and performance too, is it possible it’s not a genuine battery? Or a 4ah flogged as a 5ah?
I don't think so. It was purchased from a Makita dealer.
Possibly they take so long because it could be doing a balance charge on all of the cells... My RC car packs act the same way when I do a balance charge...
A bet they just use slightly better cells in the 4.0 ah from 3.0 ah or some circuit trick in the battery's seem so they weigh basically the same
Different cell design/chemistry.
Good review.👍🏽
Useful information thank you
The weight of the five-amp battery was missing. This was reflected in the results.
cheers for this info
Thanks for sharing mate
No worries mate
I assume these are all bone fide batteries? there are some very convincing fakes out there, but they are crap when opened up
The 3 and 4 don't have star production, hence why they got slower and slower and didn't cut off.
The three and four used in this test and do have star protection
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Not working then. should cut out well before it gets that slow :/
I have always found that the high capacity batteries seem to cut out before the lower ones for some reason
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL strange. Makita must be more aggressive then with the cut off threshold. Hopefully translates too longer life.
Thanks for doing the test. Was an informative quality watch.
Cheers. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Shomthing was definitely wrong with that 6.0. All of mine constantly charge between 55min to 1hour
No. When they are hot they take longer to charge. ALL Makita batteries do.
Thanks, it's nice to see a real life test.👍
Your the man bro nz hard we don't gaf what the superiors say lol
Lithium cells are really fickle about temperatures when charging them, and will limit charge current or if really bad, trip built-in protection, if too warm. That fan doesn't cool the battery, just the charger.
I think if you let the bigger batteries sit for 5-10 minutes before popping them in the charger after running them hot to flat, you'll likely save loads more than that on charge time. Because as is, you're asking a hot battery to cool down, _while_ charging, which _adds_ heat. People aren't being unreasonable, but I kinda think you were. At least a little bit. Ratings are pretty much always gonna be "optimal conditions". As long as it actually still charges even though run hot to flat and stuffed straight onbthe charger, there's nothong wrong with it. It's a bit like complaining that your car won't reach its rated 0-60 time or fuel consumption, when you got 4 grownups in, 5 boxes of tiles in the back and towing a caravan. With a CEL on.
I dunno of that charger can deliver enough charge current to meet the 6Ah quick charge rating though..?
Also - interesting to see the difference in shutdown mode on the blower, between the different batteries. Some tapering to a full drain, some shutting down when below voltsge treshold. Any correlation with the age of the batteries? Might be newer batteries have different undervoltage protection setups for extending cell lifetime and keeping capacity high.
The fans DO cool the battery, NOT the charger. The fan blows directly through the vents into the battery vents, all good brands have done that for years. The chargers cool the batteries down with the fan before charging when they are too hot. That's what they are built for. The charger is 9.5ah. Do you even use Makita LXT tools?
I would like to run my CNC with a Makita cordless router (since I am too cheap to buy a corded one just for my hobby). So, I plan to turn the cordless router into a semi-corded router (running it with an 18V power supply). My question is, what is the peak Watt usage of such a tool? What is the peak Watt maximum of a Makita battery? Has anybody ever measured the power use of a Makita 18V tool?
全て新品スタートのテストならば、意味が有る❗バッテリーの老化具合が、マチマチ、容量だけなら❔5Aは古くくたびれてない？
so 3a is best then
Thanks !
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BRO, socks AND sandals......COMONNNNN
Interesting, lots of variables at work here, mainly age of batteries, and how many charge cycles they have been through? or, maybe it's your wearing socks AND sandles? (just kidding!)
"I don't give a shit" - Stellar attitude. Liked you from that point.
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Fun fact whan battery is fully charched its gets heavy
Sure it does.
interesting
have you seen them on ebay copy ones just look at the sellers feed back fucking awful just don't under stand people buying them cos there cheap "mugs"
Faaaak I'm in NZ too, ohh ahh I do give a farrrrrk. 😉
Socks in flip flops? Fail!!