Commander Legends Is Everything No One Wished For | Dies To Removal 31 | Magic: The Gathering

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  • @leifruneborn5485
    @leifruneborn5485 4 года назад +1902

    Missed the chance to say "Your wish is my Commander."

  • @brockmckelvey7327
    @brockmckelvey7327 4 года назад +73

    I dislike generic Partner, but I LOVE Partner With. PW has so much flavor, and works if the card isn't your Commander.

    • @patrickleonard1114
      @patrickleonard1114 4 года назад +14

      100% agree. Annoyingly a lot of partners from this set should've had partner with (for example, Halana and Alena)

    • @WayoftheFerret
      @WayoftheFerret 3 года назад +7

      "Partner With" actually feels like it has a reason to exist, unlike "Partner".

  • @cooker1989
    @cooker1989 4 года назад +1243

    Really glad that I can blame Vince for everything that went wrong with MTG over the last 2 years.

    • @LordLewsTheDragon
      @LordLewsTheDragon 4 года назад +41

      Time to throw tea into the harbor!

    • @necrogenesis1981
      @necrogenesis1981 4 года назад +9

      I only play commander so I can only thank him lol

    • @flaetsbnort
      @flaetsbnort 4 года назад +8

      Nothing better than having a 21-year-old guy with an impressive beard to blame

    • @doomkingraye7692
      @doomkingraye7692 4 года назад +5

      Am I the only one who thinks that magic in the last 2 years is better than ever

    • @felipeguidolin1055
      @felipeguidolin1055 4 года назад +13

      @@doomkingraye7692 for the first time, yes. You probably are.

  • @solusaldrain
    @solusaldrain 4 года назад +215

    "Wait, it's all commander?"
    "Always has been."
    *pulls trigger*

    • @jaywingate187
      @jaywingate187 3 года назад +4

      "from where you're sitting it must look like an 18-karat run of bad draws. Truth it..." Taps lands. "The game was rigged from the start." *Narset hits the table*

    • @solusaldrain
      @solusaldrain 3 года назад +2

      @@jaywingate187 *taps lands*
      Ave, true to Cancel!

  • @kenjohnson3683
    @kenjohnson3683 4 года назад +594

    They only put Genie of the pack in VIP boosters these days

    • @Nova-gf6li
      @Nova-gf6li 4 года назад +11

      They took it literal when they said you'd have to curl up when you want to fit in that pack

    • @chrischoi8616
      @chrischoi8616 4 года назад +4

      More like monkey's paw of the pack

    • @schrottinator
      @schrottinator 4 года назад +2

      @@chrischoi8616 That's already in Eldrain.

    • @raydelmartinez2905
      @raydelmartinez2905 4 года назад +2

      LoL good one

  • @djdrack4681
    @djdrack4681 4 года назад +45

    "In the future, everything in Standard will be Banned"
    One of the funniest things besides, the entire commander is now commander......lolol

  • @ProfessorBYU
    @ProfessorBYU 4 года назад +502

    I watch Dies to Removal for the plot

    • @ykl1277
      @ykl1277 4 года назад +11

      I watch Dies to Removal for the fan service

    • @minddrone7171
      @minddrone7171 4 года назад +8

      this but un-ironically

  • @sheahon1179
    @sheahon1179 4 года назад +22

    Color pie, oohhh boy. So I definitely agree with Kenobi about white gets screwed, so does red. The 2 most fundamental actions in magic are getting mana to play spells and drawing your spells. Every color needs to be able to do these things to some extent. When thinking about card draw who should be the two best colors? Blue is number one but is number 2 supposed to be green? If you are supposed to be the best at ramp are you supposed to be the second best at draw? I think not. What is white the best at? What is red? I haven't seen anything that makes me think Wizards has asked the question. That is a major problem

    • @Onattamato
      @Onattamato 4 года назад +2

      WhiTE hAs AnSwErS!!!! Good ramp and card draw would be TOo PoWerFul!

    • @vaivs7903
      @vaivs7903 4 года назад +1

      There are things which every color needs to have access to and draw is one of those things. But ok, if only blue is supposed to have it, then ok. But currently every color except white has it. (yes even red with exiling cards from top of your library). So it makes no sense of saying it doesnt fit the identity, BUT ALL COLORS EXCEPT ONE HAVE IT.

  • @smittynumber1812
    @smittynumber1812 4 года назад +428

    "Much like WotC, I don't give a damn what this does to legacy"
    This is why I watch his content

    • @ben_clifford
      @ben_clifford 4 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/UD9WiTTE6FU/видео.html
      (this is for the burn, not your comment)

  • @Prengle
    @Prengle 4 года назад +44

    y'all remember when Thragtusk was strong in Standard? Good times.

    • @PsychoEditor
      @PsychoEditor 3 года назад +1

      I thought about siege rhino

  • @hoowhdis7191
    @hoowhdis7191 4 года назад +190

    That's one of the funniest opening bits I've ever seen you guys do. Keep it up, you two

    • @TolarianCommunityCollege
      @TolarianCommunityCollege  4 года назад +65

      Thanks! Will do!

    • @joshuamartin9707
      @joshuamartin9707 4 года назад +12

      I don’t know which opening I like better: this one or the one about the price of MtG where they get hired by Wizards. Both are amazing, but the production quality on this one might be better. I love the genie effect. 😆

    • @antoniobush4560
      @antoniobush4560 4 года назад +4

      @@joshuamartin9707 the steamed hams one was pretty good.

    • @nicholasstavash7880
      @nicholasstavash7880 4 года назад +2

      @@joshuamartin9707 ooh that one was amazing

  • @herme5m00N
    @herme5m00N 4 года назад +23

    That intro skit was everything I needed! 😂 Also, that bit about standard commanders in commander being your commander caused me to realize you CAN have three commanders (basically). 😅

  • @unnoticed67
    @unnoticed67 4 года назад +105

    ~Stops video at 5:50.
    You heard that everyone? All of MTG's problems are from Pleasantkenobi.
    We heard it here. Thanks professor!

    • @TabooX1984
      @TabooX1984 4 года назад +6

      *CURSE YOU KENOBI!!!*
      😄
      "I hate you!"
      ~Anakin
      😄

    • @laynegrey2003
      @laynegrey2003 4 года назад +3

      *record scratch at exactly **5:50*
      Yep. That's me.

  • @davbry2011
    @davbry2011 4 года назад +149

    Commander doesn't need more power, it needs more creativity. If anything, it needs partially powered down to promote creativity.

    • @elladan23
      @elladan23 4 года назад +5

      And i think that's the reason it worked before blizzard would put an eye on it, a lot of cards that were made before just was for fun, i believe not even the people that design lot of those cards expected to be played.
      Now the cards are made to be in commander, in the end i think blizzard will transform commander in the new modern in term of prices.

    • @davbry2011
      @davbry2011 4 года назад +4

      @@elladan23 Blizzard? This isn't Hearthstone. WOTC and Hasbro own MTG.

    • @elladan23
      @elladan23 4 года назад +4

      @@davbry2011 wizard i mean.

    • @foxy_bl1784
      @foxy_bl1784 4 года назад +1

      Thats what play groups are for. I love casual and competitive where one wrong timed counter spell or removal can cost you the game.

    • @ceulgai2817
      @ceulgai2817 4 года назад +1

      The issue is that you can't power down non-rotating card pools.

  • @harrison1735
    @harrison1735 4 года назад +74

    You can't fail to find with Opposition Agent because the Agent's controller controls your search. You can choose not to search with Ghost Quarter but you have to do it with Field of Ruin.

    • @PleasantKenobi
      @PleasantKenobi 4 года назад +39

      Sorry, you are right! I used the wrong terminology! It's not "failing to find", it is "opting to not search in the first place". Important distinction!

    • @MrFeierkind
      @MrFeierkind 4 года назад +1

      From how you talked Vince, I'm pretty sure you were unaware of how the card works.

    • @mzurran1003
      @mzurran1003 4 года назад +2

      You can fail to find if you don't have any basic lands left to find.

  • @vladimirgovorkov8186
    @vladimirgovorkov8186 4 года назад +36

    Vince: “Oh ... you’re a Bad Genie! Should’ve realized that before I got to the last wish.”
    XD I love it!

  • @xanaxkamikaze
    @xanaxkamikaze 4 года назад +181

    You get extra extra credit for the intro. Final grade: A+++

  • @couver2997
    @couver2997 4 года назад +38

    "Oh...you're a bad genie" I died lol

  • @TheAmericanDragn
    @TheAmericanDragn 4 года назад +201

    "What's Tiny Leaders? Oh, never mind..."
    BIG OOF

    • @StinkyDinky_
      @StinkyDinky_ 4 года назад +33

      i like how Oathbreaker died so fast they don't even make memes about it.

    • @Rishoji2
      @Rishoji2 4 года назад +13

      @@StinkyDinky_ Remember Frontier? xD

    • @DaijDjan
      @DaijDjan 4 года назад +5

      Kind of sad, I liked the idea of Tiny Leaders, tbh ;)

    • @elitemagikarp4822
      @elitemagikarp4822 4 года назад +2

      KBPTL is the best format

    • @InResponse
      @InResponse 4 года назад +8

      Tiny Leader made its debut around Fate Reforged; hence the joke "What's Tiny Leader?"

  • @sdawg35
    @sdawg35 4 года назад +188

    Just add "If you control your commander" to all reserve list cards, and then you can reprint them. Lmao

    • @Danielalocasia
      @Danielalocasia 4 года назад +12

      or "You become the monarch"

    • @solusaldrain
      @solusaldrain 4 года назад +10

      Don't give WOTC ideas.

    • @IronEntropy
      @IronEntropy 4 года назад +5

      @Lucas Egeland that's just broken enough to make my friends ban my sliver deck.

    • @solusaldrain
      @solusaldrain 4 года назад +4

      @Lucas Egeland *sharp inhale*
      "Ooh, sorry...You were close, but we were also looking for, 'If your commander's color identity is Blue, you can add this card to your opening hand.' Thanks, again for applying. Better luck next year!"

    • @solusaldrain
      @solusaldrain 4 года назад +1

      @Lucas Egeland "Perfect! That stance towards all people white is exactly the attitude we seek to cultivate here at WOTC. You're hired!"

  • @christopherlundgren1700
    @christopherlundgren1700 4 года назад +57

    Just a point of clarification on something Vince said: declining to search your library is not the same as failing to find. Failing to find means that you're searching the deck but can't (or don't want to) find the card or cards that meet the specific criteria of the search. (Side note -- you can't fail to find on something like Demonic Tutor because it's not specific on what you're allowed to find. If there's at least one card in the deck you have to pick one. By contrast, tricky people realized you could use Gifts Ungiven to find fewer than four cards with it even though the original printing didn't say that, because you can always fail to find specific categories of cards.)
    So Vince conflated the terminology a bit, but otherwise he's correct. If you're under an Opposition Agent and a search happens you can choose not to search if the card allows you to decline. But once the search begins, the player with the Agent now has control of you and it's too late to fail to find because you can't do anything. The controlling player now has to option to find or not find whatever the effect would have allowed you to search for.

  • @nethandelwampa116
    @nethandelwampa116 4 года назад +12

    Love how informative this podcast is. Whenever they talk about a card they bring it on the screen for your reference. Helps me follow the conversation. Instead of never heard of that let me google it. I appreciate that more than you realize.

  • @pvtpain66k
    @pvtpain66k 4 года назад +173

    "promissory estoppel" is the best interjection.

    • @SuperSkrullz
      @SuperSkrullz 4 года назад +1

      Maybe they'll make a card with this ...lol

  • @Rabid_Wombat
    @Rabid_Wombat 4 года назад +45

    I like how Vince never swears when he's guesting on Tolarian.

    • @davidhill3595
      @davidhill3595 4 года назад +13

      This just normal behavior for people. I swear a lot with my mates at work but I dont swear when I visit my grandmother. yes i am compareing the prof to my grandmother

    • @abdalln8554
      @abdalln8554 Год назад +3

      You should find that team APS video where the professor guest stars and is just swearing like a sailor the whole video.

  • @leucamaclean8900
    @leucamaclean8900 4 года назад +258

    Me: commander in standard? They’re joking about brawl yeah? Companions? My therapist worked hard to get me to forget that time period...

    • @alexava7075
      @alexava7075 4 года назад

      Same here

    • @PatricioCespedes24
      @PatricioCespedes24 4 года назад

      magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/card-preview/zendikar-rising-commander-decklists-2020-09-09

  • @ZenofPainting
    @ZenofPainting 4 года назад +8

    "So now there is commanders for your commander."
    LMAO that opening scene was gold! You and Vince have a great sense of humor that works well together.

  • @mcglubski
    @mcglubski 4 года назад +162

    I'm still mostly okay personally with everything being commander because that's all I play, but I also agree with the main message, it's a little much for sure

    • @lenajohnson6179
      @lenajohnson6179 4 года назад +13

      It's very annoying for us Standard junkies. I always liked to play in the rotating format which was generally safely balanced and not like those 'turn 3 win' combos that were keeping me from wanting to even look at Modern and formats like that.
      Whenever I hear a commander player crying about a potentially broken card slipping into their format I get irrationally angry and feel like 'Yeah well all the f'kin cards their making for YOU have THRASHED my format!'.................... but that's not fair. Wizards just needs to stop mixing all the formats into a single format soup so that players of their formats can get what they came to the frigging format for!

    • @mcglubski
      @mcglubski 4 года назад +9

      @@lenajohnson6179 yeah it's definitely not fair to mix the formats. Like, enough cards come out each set that are already fun for commander as is, we don't need to make more, especially since commander has its own personal release every year as well 🤷

    • @mr.batsquatch967
      @mr.batsquatch967 4 года назад

      @@lenajohnson6179 a

    • @nickkowalski5209
      @nickkowalski5209 4 года назад +1

      @@lenajohnson6179 you're definitely right and all, but there's a problem - it sells. All these flashy busted cards that break Standard and are to be banned eventually, they help to sell packs to those not interested in Standard per se.
      As you can see Commander suffers the same fate - Opposition Agent is not a big deal for the format, but it might be for Legacy and Vintage

    • @lenajohnson6179
      @lenajohnson6179 4 года назад +2

      @@nickkowalski5209 I think you may be misunderstanding me... The fact Commander cards ALSO f'k up Legacy and Vintage doesn't make me feel any less irrationally annoyed whenever Commander players complain about the integrity of their format or how one or two cards are about to ruin Commander forever.... since most of the cards that run amok and cause havok in other formats are cards designed to provide 'value' in a format where the standard is 4 player free for all instead of just 1v1.
      I'd prefer NO card was EVER designed with Commander 'expressly' in mind. That will never happen for the reasons you said above, they sell... but taking that into account I'd prefer it if cards designed expresely for commander were outright ILLEGAL in any other format... cards that actually use the word 'commander 'in their card text sort of unofficially do this to themselves enough... but the cards in other sets designed to appeal directly to Commander I wish they'd simply save for an actual Commander set release or something.

  • @mordecaimorales7264
    @mordecaimorales7264 4 года назад +3

    I really like how honest these two are but still respect each other

  • @hbpuppet
    @hbpuppet 4 года назад +198

    “Maybe white dosent do that” hahaha killed me

    • @themadstudent
      @themadstudent 4 года назад +15

      At this point, what DOES white do?! Symmetrical restrictions are being handed off to other colors right and left. What remains? Life gain? Wow... I'm so hype...
      WotC has systematically stripped white of all it's paradigms except the least useful. White is secondary for countermagic and has about three half-ass counterspells. It's weenies are worse than multiple other colors. One of its best anthems just got banned out of existence for absolutely brain-damaged reasons. Damage prevention is now non-existent. I want to like White, but White kinda sucks and the color council's stupidity is to blame.

    • @raonair
      @raonair 4 года назад +2

      @@themadstudent What anthem was banned? Can't remember any anthem even worth mentioning being released in the last two years

    • @D-Boy22
      @D-Boy22 4 года назад +2

      @@raonair I think he is talking about Crusade. To be fair, it is a terrible card in my opinion. Honor of the Pure is quite better. Only plus Crusade has is that it can be played with Honor of the Pure

    • @Atiklyar
      @Atiklyar 4 года назад

      @@D-Boy22 Crusade also offers more Devotion, for what that matters

    • @raonair
      @raonair 4 года назад

      @@D-Boy22 Agree 100%

  • @Zarbon000
    @Zarbon000 3 года назад +4

    I really enjoy this podcast! Are we ever getting more of these!?
    I sure hope so.

  • @131311337
    @131311337 4 года назад +36

    This intro joke is really well done. A great take on a classic tale. 10/10

  • @PixelBush
    @PixelBush 4 года назад +2

    23:50 Honestly, I think Yurlok's going to be unfun to play *with* more than anything else.
    Because your deck super duper mega relies on keeping your commander around.
    When your commander is around, it'll be enough of an irritation that people will want to kill it.
    When it's not around, you're giving your opponents oceans of free mana.

    • @_pierox1706
      @_pierox1706 4 года назад +1

      Now let me tell you a story I have already brewed up a 5 colour isorev deck that will tap and untap him infinitely using a spell like angels grace or platinum emperion to make my opponents lose through mana burn

  • @malmasterson3890
    @malmasterson3890 4 года назад +117

    "My commander's name is Archelos, who is a TURTLE SHAMAN! And the name of my deck is- IT DOESN'T MATTER 'cause my commander is a TURTLE that's also a SHAMAN!"

    • @karlenglewood8940
      @karlenglewood8940 4 года назад +10

      But bird wizard.

    • @evahelie7207
      @evahelie7207 4 года назад +10

      @@karlenglewood8940 A BIRD, that is also a WIZARD! Its not a "bird wizard"

    • @TubbyBubbleLove42
      @TubbyBubbleLove42 4 года назад +2

      Wasn't that guy in Kung Fu Panda?

    • @karlenglewood8940
      @karlenglewood8940 4 года назад +6

      @@TubbyBubbleLove42 it's a call back to this. ruclips.net/video/Z7l0pRm-VRU/видео.html

    • @ML7WL
      @ML7WL 4 года назад +3

      May this, the commander proposition, last long and good in the game...it's fun man.

  • @pauldyson8098
    @pauldyson8098 4 года назад +48

    This set is giving us "L'il Kobold Buddy." I am satisfied.

  • @Varrus_Varlineau
    @Varrus_Varlineau 4 года назад +62

    I lost it at " You're tearing me apart Liesa!"
    Awesome reference

    • @jackpabich763
      @jackpabich763 4 года назад

      What is that a reference to?

    • @Crusina
      @Crusina 4 года назад +2

      @@jackpabich763 I think she is the sister of sigarda and them that was killed by avacyn.
      She allied with demons

    • @Varrus_Varlineau
      @Varrus_Varlineau 4 года назад +7

      @@jackpabich763 look up "The Room, You are tearing me apart Lisa"

    • @eliluttrell7637
      @eliluttrell7637 4 года назад +2

      @@jackpabich763 it's a reference to The Room which is one of the best bad movies to watch because the director who can't really act or write, made himself the main character.
      With that said.
      It's worth a watch

    • @notme222
      @notme222 4 года назад

      @@jackpabich763 ruclips.net/video/isc8nX5D0pw/видео.html

  • @alexpike9897
    @alexpike9897 4 года назад +15

    Knowing how PK and the Prof feel about reprints, I’m surprised there was no mention of scroll rack and vampiric tutor etc. Good reprints, right?

    • @goncaloferreira6429
      @goncaloferreira6429 4 года назад +1

      maybe but a mythic and with the covid thing i wonder if it will make a diference. Also. scrollrack sucks.

    • @alexpike9897
      @alexpike9897 4 года назад +2

      @@goncaloferreira6429 Maybe you're right. Sounds like sales have been doing well this year though.
      I wouldn't play scroll rack in any of my decks either, but it's not a cheap card.

    • @exprime8872
      @exprime8872 4 года назад

      @@goncaloferreira6429 Not in Yuriko

    • @WayoftheFerret
      @WayoftheFerret 3 года назад

      @@goncaloferreira6429 Scroll Rack is situationally excellent, it's not just something you jam. I looooove Scracking away cards

    • @goncaloferreira6429
      @goncaloferreira6429 3 года назад +1

      @@WayoftheFerret perhaps, but i seem to see it in everydeck so it gets boring fast. also, it slows the game

  • @Rupert3434
    @Rupert3434 4 года назад +37

    I know that the turtle doesn't feel like "sultai" but it is neat to note that blue usually has a bunch of tap creature effects and green has a bunch of untapping effects for creatures and black has this kind of "let's make a bargain" flavor on it. In that light tapping a creature to make sure things don't untapped or keeping it untapped so you get the untap effect seems kind of like a fusion of those? Idk, maybe it's a reach but I think the color pie sort of has to be elastic, if only because the ideas, concepts, and themes that define each color are so broad that having them step on each other's toes is inevitable given enough permutations.

    • @NJKoopmeiners
      @NJKoopmeiners 4 года назад +8

      If it was Bant instead of Sultai, I don’t think anybody would have complained about it not being in its color identity.

    • @Sniperfuchs
      @Sniperfuchs 4 года назад +4

      Sultai combines the strongest 3 colors in Magic as well so most Sultai decks you see are either some self-mill and graveyard stuff or just generally Sultai good stuff. There are a few notable exceptions like the mutate or morph precon, but I think making this very unique turtle legend Sultai gives it another of these way more interesting and more niche strategies as opposed to brain dead "Me put card in graveyard, me put card from graveyard into hand/onto battlefield", which is essentially the Sultai circle jerk.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi 4 года назад +11

      The problem being, as Vince points out, what is whites portion of the color pie now? Opposition agent, the turtle. And then white's mythic is a not very good equipment. Mythic, equip 4, that doesn't work if you have the highest life total. Elastic seems to always be give green, blue, and black more of white's stuff.

    • @Rupert3434
      @Rupert3434 4 года назад +1

      @@GodwynDi That's a completely different argument. The logic of "white is losing it's color identity because they are giving white effects to other cards" is something I don't agree with but it makes sense. But "White effects are showing up on other cards, so white's cards are bad now" doesn't, because the one doesn't follow from the other. Other cards potentially breaking or bending the color pie has nothing to do with Wizards deciding not to make any really pushed/powerful white cards this set.

    • @jaywinner328
      @jaywinner328 4 года назад +1

      I agree entirely. While the turtle easily could have included white, I believe blue and green are enough to validate the ability without being a color pie break. White doesn't have exclusive rights to this ability.

  • @varasatoshi3961
    @varasatoshi3961 4 года назад +17

    Notion thief is on theme for black. Black does everything and does it better. Period.

  • @Moejuss
    @Moejuss 4 года назад +129

    Is Genie of the Pack possibly pauper playable?

  • @brenjake7
    @brenjake7 4 года назад +7

    Jeweled Lotus, just give rise to other Lotus's. Don't be surprised when WOTC prints a Rose Lotus that only gives you 3 R or Moss Lotus for 3G and a Magnolia Lotus for 3W, A Delphinium Lotus for 3U and a Hellebore Lotus for 3B in future sets to sell packs

  • @bejammin2000
    @bejammin2000 4 года назад +67

    Everybody talking about Jeweled Lotus.
    Ain't no body talkin' about the Scroll Rack reprint.

    • @themadstudent
      @themadstudent 4 года назад +16

      I'm hoping people sleep on it even harder so I can get one for just a leg rather than one of each appendage.

    • @ralphengland8559
      @ralphengland8559 4 года назад +1

      exactly my thinking.

  • @waynedude7349
    @waynedude7349 4 года назад +6

    This was an uncomfortably tense episode at times

  • @TheMightyBattleSquid
    @TheMightyBattleSquid 4 года назад +47

    For the sultai turtle "how is this effect in these colors?" discussion, I direct you to "Root Maze," "Manglehorn," "Roots of Life," and "Frozen Aether." Heck, even red has that praetor.

    • @ruudvanlaarhoven5776
      @ruudvanlaarhoven5776 4 года назад +11

      Frozen Aether was a colorshifted Kismet though

    • @jordanrutledge7943
      @jordanrutledge7943 4 года назад +8

      The praetors break the color pie by design though, except black because that’s the original Phyrexian color.

    • @moralessanchezoscarelias6412
      @moralessanchezoscarelias6412 4 года назад +6

      It's cool in those color. But black? Vince was arguing "why do they keep taking away from white to give it to another color?"

    • @suikodin2501
      @suikodin2501 4 года назад +1

      I think the diacussion wouldn't be a thing if white was one of the three colors, we don't care that sultai has it, we care that white wasn't invited.

  • @Twinsidedsoldier
    @Twinsidedsoldier 4 года назад +8

    "What's tiny leaders?" is the question my play group or lgs will never answer. 🤣

  • @beefdon
    @beefdon 4 года назад +28

    I'm always excited for Dies to Removal :) Keep up the good work guys!

  • @ruudvanlaarhoven5776
    @ruudvanlaarhoven5776 4 года назад +13

    I love the flavor text on Jeweled Lotus, it does encapsulate pretty much my response when it was spoiled.
    I also love how, after all the begging for fetch reprints, Wizards' answer was to print a reason not to play fetches anymore in Opposition Agent :P

    • @goncaloferreira6429
      @goncaloferreira6429 4 года назад

      arent fetches still coming out this year?

    • @totallycarbon2106
      @totallycarbon2106 4 года назад +1

      Opposition agent isn't modern legal though (thank God I guess)

  • @mehtheorc
    @mehtheorc 4 года назад +37

    "Ohhhh, you're a bad genie!"
    Killed me ahaha 😂

  • @starnik
    @starnik 4 года назад +4

    I don't think I've ever laughed quite as hard as I did at PK's line delivery of "Ohhhhh.... you're a bad Genie." Excellent job on the opening skit, you two.

  • @testpermanent417
    @testpermanent417 4 года назад +8

    Everyone: I hate standard. There's too much power creep, and wizards is only focusing on making money.
    The Professor: Because of Obi-Wan?

  • @Ranakel
    @Ranakel 4 года назад +4

    Your restraint in making none of the wishes related to The Walking Dead Secret Lair is admirable.

  • @LizardKing1470
    @LizardKing1470 4 года назад +8

    Jeweled lotus: finally my dream of swinging with etali on turn 1 isn't so unlikely

  • @crono252
    @crono252 4 года назад +6

    Imagine flashing in agent when your opponent casts doomsday exile all but 5 lands from their deck

  • @Mox_Normandy
    @Mox_Normandy 4 года назад +28

    You guys remember 2014 when Jace the mind sculptor was the boogeyman of mtg. Now it's twink who makes elks. Look how far we've come

    • @TheChrisSig
      @TheChrisSig 4 года назад +11

      I want an alter that is just "Oko, Twink who Makes Elks"

    • @Mox_Normandy
      @Mox_Normandy 4 года назад +8

      @@TheChrisSig my friend has an alter of oko called "Oko, King of Twink" it's the biggest meme of our player group that WOTC needed another thirst trap.

    • @xTrooper377x
      @xTrooper377x 4 года назад +3

      It's called progressive representation

  • @underscore_5450
    @underscore_5450 3 года назад +1

    The conversation about "which color should be able to do what" is interesting from a balance perspective. The way I see it, there are lots very important aspects of the game that I think every color should have access to. Things like card draw, removal, ramp, ect. The aspect that separates the colors should be how they do those things. Removal for white isn't the same as red which isn't the same as blue. I don't care about tapping or life gain or tokens, it implementation of key elements of the game that should differentiate colors.

  • @mthlay15
    @mthlay15 4 года назад +64

    pleasantkenobi? More like "UN"-pleasantkenobi!!
    BOOM GOT'EM.

  • @JujuInFlames
    @JujuInFlames 4 года назад +16

    I gotta say I’m with Vince on the “house ban” discussion. It’s totally fine what each playgroup decides to do, which he isn’t saying u can’t do, but at least give some time for the card to be played and let people learn how to play around it. The new planeswalker for example that steals commanders, it’s bad ya and probably not fun to play against but I don’t know that for sure because the set isn’t even out yet, plus it’s the ultimate so you have time to deal with it. Commander wouldn’t be fun if everyone just house banned every card that looked strong

  • @alexanderd.f.157
    @alexanderd.f.157 4 года назад +26

    Everybody freaking out for Jeweled Lotus, and here I am, worried for pauper. The 3 mana blue monarch card might be too good, and now tron has a colorless monarch card

    • @willjackson5885
      @willjackson5885 4 года назад +3

      @Ariako Ishikawa Are they still supporting Brawl? Weren’t the Zendikar precons a message they abandoned it?

    • @tomyang1117
      @tomyang1117 4 года назад +2

      Tbh i am not worry about the new lotus, if it should be ban than cards like mana vault, mana crypt and sol ring should be ban too and those 3 are in most cases stronger than the lotus. However I do think that the lotus should not exist

    • @aidanquiett668
      @aidanquiett668 4 года назад

      @@tomyang1117 Yeah. Getting kinda tired of all the Commander is dead clickbait when really its pretty niche in real world use (got your commander out 1 or 2 turns early? Cool, hope you are prepared to be the archenemy) with the only 2 decks I see actually using this to a dangerous degree being Urza, who was already broken, and godo, who is a CEDH rouge deck who even with this wont really see that much more play

    • @tomyang1117
      @tomyang1117 4 года назад

      @@aidanquiett668 tbh I think the lotus would only be broken is a deck that can recur artifact from graveyard and have benefit from casting their commander over and over again.

  • @cesarmartinez8633
    @cesarmartinez8633 4 года назад +22

    "is magic inherently broken?" Episode finishes hahahaaha

  • @moralessanchezoscarelias6412
    @moralessanchezoscarelias6412 4 года назад +22

    38:27 on Jeweled Lotus, Prof finds just the right words to the reaction of the community
    "[Jeweled Lotus] represents what people do NOT want in Commander... *This card intensifies negative feelings about both commander gameplay and WotC stewardship of the Commander format*...
    I don't think it's the end of Commander, I don't think it's broken, I don't think this is an 'I win' card... but even that small percent of the time that this let's you jam a Commander turn one or two creates such bad feels that it astonishes me that any need [on WotC's part] was felt for this...
    It's bringing us closer to that powered up competitive cliff, and I don't think Commander as a format wants to go in that direction."

    • @swolegolisopod7340
      @swolegolisopod7340 4 года назад +4

      Coming from a cEDH perspective I like that it gives more options to mono color commanders for speed while something like yidris or first sliver won't want because of their intensive mana costs. Looks broken at first glance but it turns out to be a lot more niche

    • @moralessanchezoscarelias6412
      @moralessanchezoscarelias6412 4 года назад +2

      @@swolegolisopod7340 I agree with you. Compared to other fast mana options in cEDH, Jeweled Lotus is not close to other available options. And I hope they keep pushing for cards that reward playing with less colors.

    • @Izuyoi7215
      @Izuyoi7215 4 года назад

      @@swolegolisopod7340 it's fairly broken I mean atraxa turn one broken

    • @Kribothegreat
      @Kribothegreat 4 года назад

      @@Izuyoi7215 I'm failing to see how jeweled lotus leads to a turn one atraxa without a lot of other help

    • @swolegolisopod7340
      @swolegolisopod7340 4 года назад

      @@Izuyoi7215 first off atraxa isn't that broken off a card, just play removal. Lotus only generates one color of mana at a time so if you make blue you still need to generate a white, green, and black mana to cast your atraxa. 4c nonpartner decks won't want this at all

  • @Vex-MTG
    @Vex-MTG 3 года назад +1

    Absolutely loved that intro well done!
    Personally, for me, part of the joy of Commander is exactly because it ISN'T designed for. It's about finding fun and weird interactions, rather than pushing for a T3 win. It's taking cards from across the history that may have never been played together, and seeing how they interact.

  • @phycho40
    @phycho40 3 года назад +8

    Missing these right now...why did the series stop?

  • @Kattywagon29
    @Kattywagon29 4 года назад +3

    "Ohhhhh, you're a bad genie. I wish I had realized that before I got to the third wish. That was, that's my bad...I think I killed magic."

  • @nickswan2247
    @nickswan2247 4 года назад +22

    You can say "don't let one card ruin your experience about the whole set", and that's fine and all in theory. But that one card just increased the cost of a boxes and packs significantly overnight. Where I was planning on getting some sealed product from CL, I'm likely passing it over now aside from the commander decks. And I don't even want that card.

    • @zarock61
      @zarock61 4 года назад

      Thats cause youtube and the second market is going crazy negative or positive for it, but def wait until some time has passed im sure the set price may settle down

    • @FirstLast-wg1gs
      @FirstLast-wg1gs 4 года назад +3

      @@zarock61 EDH is the biggest format, it does not rotate + every pack comes with a legend and many powerful cards are being printed for the first time, it's going to be great for draft or anyone wanting to get some cards for their EDH carpool... I'm not sure the price of packs/boxes will ever drop

    • @zarock61
      @zarock61 4 года назад +1

      @First Last yes but the format hasnt been affected yet so its still just hype and gossip but maybe your right idk we will see

    • @xSpiritZone
      @xSpiritZone 4 года назад +4

      @@zarock61 You could say the format has already been affected due to price jumps from spoilers. Maralen essentially jumped to ~$40 because of Opposition Agent

    • @SOLtoo
      @SOLtoo 4 года назад +3

      looks like an outrageous cash grab. combined with no MSRP, I doubt I'll be able to get ANY Commander Legends at a reasonable price. I might as well sell my entire MTG collection. Don't tell me to wait 3 months for the second printing and that "prices will come down" because I don't see any double master's collector's boxes out there for 80/each.

  • @ketchumall8243
    @ketchumall8243 4 года назад +13

    Vince: "Blue doesn't directly kill stuff."
    Pongify and Rapid Hybridization would like to have a word with you.

    • @ketchumall8243
      @ketchumall8243 4 года назад +2

      @@justinclement5417 the text "Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated" says otherwise

    • @bannedfromisrael
      @bannedfromisrael 4 года назад

      @@ketchumall8243 GOTEEM!

  • @tirandeshibaraki743
    @tirandeshibaraki743 4 года назад +5

    Yurlok + Seedborn Muse = "Eat bolt every turn~!"

  • @pacoval4577
    @pacoval4577 4 года назад +21

    fully agree with Prof. : partner defeats the purpose of commander.

    • @fernandobanda5734
      @fernandobanda5734 4 года назад +4

      I think it opens up a lot of cool possibilities, especially for monocolored legends. But people's sensibilities are different. This happens with absolutely everything. Some people think double-faced cards aren't Magic, I think Pathways are over the line. Partner is not absolutely destroying the rules of Commander.

    • @fernandobanda5734
      @fernandobanda5734 4 года назад +3

      @@theyneverknow Yes, obviously.

    • @fernandobanda5734
      @fernandobanda5734 4 года назад +3

      @@theyneverknow Yes, and this set is bringing a million of Commanders with partner. Some like the Kobold are a puzzle. It's not about building a monored deck that combines with it. It's about finding a partner and the color it brings that combines with it.
      If your argument is that two partners should form a single part, you must think there aren't interesting decisions when choosing them. It's partner, not partner with.

    • @fernandobanda5734
      @fernandobanda5734 4 года назад +3

      @@theyneverknow But which two? It's no less of a puzzle than picking one commander and the deck around it.

    • @fernandobanda5734
      @fernandobanda5734 4 года назад +2

      @@theyneverknow So, is this less "Partner goes against Commander" and more "Kodama is too strong and blatant"?

  • @darkhawk123
    @darkhawk123 4 года назад +13

    You know what would be hilarious? If they never printed any Jeweled Lotuses.

  • @magicstar9154
    @magicstar9154 3 года назад +6

    What happened to this podcast? Can't seem to find any more of these than the ones on RUclips

  • @whaitiritua-warbrick1398
    @whaitiritua-warbrick1398 4 года назад +5

    PK: Look, just some commander please oh wise genie
    The Genie Professor: YO DAWG, I-

  • @endersblade
    @endersblade 4 года назад +5

    Everyone's flipping out about the Jeweled Lotus and I'm over here thinking about quitting CMD because of Opposition Agent...

  • @diggerdog9205
    @diggerdog9205 4 года назад +20

    Trail to exile: W instant. Exile target creature unless it's controller pays 1

  • @Aigis31
    @Aigis31 4 года назад +1

    Really like this episode! I like the concept of "I like cards that make players want to search for ways to play around with its effect to find out what works and what doesn't, and not a card that Wizards hands me and says 'Oh, this would go great in your Muldrotha deck!'" That's a stance I can get behind, and it really formulates my thoughts on commander over the past few years. Higher power levels? Sure, why not! Having WotC directly print cards we *need* to get for our commander decks or we'll suffer the consequences, especially if someone in our group got a copy of that card that we now need to deal with? Not so much.

  • @ChiisaiRamen
    @ChiisaiRamen 4 года назад +41

    Commander is too big to be falling back on "just house rule it" Here in our area there are (or was before lockdown) several shops that have different playgroups that would be great if they can come together but couldnt agree on what should and should not be allowed. On top of that there was major events in "magic fests" now that is centered in commander and meeting people from different playgroups and such.
    I still dont agree with bs like sending death threats to the committee but they do need to more often put their foot down on certain things

    • @depalapili-pala4859
      @depalapili-pala4859 4 года назад +1

      My store has a stricter ban list than the other store in the area but when I find myself playing against friends from the other store my decks can still do great. Easiest way is to just play by your own rules and be cool

    • @dapperghastmeowregard
      @dapperghastmeowregard 4 года назад +6

      This. It fucking baffles me how often people misunderstand the point of Rule 0. Like, yeah, I can houserule it, but fucking obviously. We can play 600 card decks with 10 of each card and 7 commanders if the group's on board. The point of rules is to give you a baseline expectation from which to deviate, and to fall back on if agreement can't be reached. And it's doubly important for deck construction, it's one thing if a group is like "You can't attack the player with the lowest life unless every opponent has 20 or less life" or something, it might be dumb, but it's not hard to adjust. But when it's like "We ban all cards that have a chair in the art and refuse to use the correct rules for hybrid," then it becomes "Cool, now I have to swap out like 12 cards in my deck, gimme 20 minutes."

    • @seanedgar164
      @seanedgar164 4 года назад +3

      @@damo9961 The fault is on wizards for getting us to this point. Neither opposition agent or jeweled lotus is game-changing, they just feel bad. If nobody likes the cards they won't run them. And then there's no need to ban cards.

    • @robbnoble1509
      @robbnoble1509 4 года назад

      Lol, there is always someone who will. Then almost everyone runs them to compete. Welcome to the MTG community.

    • @suikodin2501
      @suikodin2501 4 года назад +1

      @@dapperghastmeowregard well put.

  • @TheOcarinaSeller
    @TheOcarinaSeller 3 года назад +16

    Am I the only person who is completely surprised that this series has just stopped? It was one of my favorites.

  • @AhranMaoDante
    @AhranMaoDante 4 года назад +7

    I've been trying to break Battletide Alchemist and damage reduction in commander for about 12 years now, without relying on black or green, and keeping it a white as possible. Unfortunately, with the way the deck is coming together, there isn't a good commander, mono color or Azorius, for it.
    Was hoping this set would have a good commander for the deck, but it's looking like I'll be waiting for the D&D set; and if that set doesn't have good by today's standards legendary white cleric, their never will be one.

    • @isaiahwelch8066
      @isaiahwelch8066 4 года назад

      I can agree with this sentiment.
      I've honestly been trying to put together an Archer Tribal deck since Greatbow Doyen came out in Lorwyn block -- but the problem is, there isn't a Naya Archer Legend that you have as a Commander option. Sure, you could use Morophon or the Nest Tender, but I feel those commanders are better with other tribes that lack support *cough* Samurai *cough.*
      Speaking of Kamigawa, I'm hoping that I can get a creative draft of possible cards for a Return to Kamigawa set done, so we can see Ninjas and Samurai duke it out again.
      Because that shite was fun, back in the day.

    • @aidanquiett668
      @aidanquiett668 4 года назад

      @@isaiahwelch8066 You say that like it isnt fun now! Or, at least the ninja side is. Legacy and commander ninjas are some of my favorite decks in those formats, and I really hope we can see even more in the future

  • @leonvalenzuela4096
    @leonvalenzuela4096 4 года назад +1

    as for the final question: yes.
    its by design broken, the term for this is perfect imbalances, as each has strengths and weaknesses depending upon specialization... this is why the color pie is important

  • @saicosaico8542
    @saicosaico8542 3 года назад +3

    I need more of this kind of conversation. DTR is great.

  • @matthewclopton1001
    @matthewclopton1001 4 года назад +15

    I really liked this episode, but I’m not sure I liked how the professor kept talking over his cohost during the part about policing groups. I get why he did it, but it seemed to really upset him for a moment. Even if I didn’t agree with it either I would have liked to hear his side of it. I just feel like he got shot down. Nothing against the professor but he should have at least heard him out.

    • @transformerssurprise7563
      @transformerssurprise7563 3 года назад

      The prof does this pretty frequently. I’ve taken to just turning off the podcast whenever it happens.

    • @timmyturner6478
      @timmyturner6478 3 года назад

      He was making a fun joke about how other people try to police playgroups that aren’t theirs and the other guy had an argument and the professor was just joking about how he was going to prove him right. Any annoyance is entirely unnecessary

  • @lordvaust5830
    @lordvaust5830 4 года назад +3

    I loved that opening gag, it really “Commanded” my attention...

  • @daltongrimes7850
    @daltongrimes7850 4 года назад

    What an awesome take! I’ve really been enjoying Dies to Removal, and appreciate how much time and effort you put into making this! Thank you!
    I agree with Vince when it comes to new cards in play groups: give them a shot! Many groups ban things like mass land destruction or even infinite combos, so I think it’s at least fair to give cards like Tavesh Szat and Opposition Agent deserve a shot.
    Also, I’ve seen many players get frustrated when someone at the table plays a land, into Sol Ring, into a Signet on Turn 1, and the table collectively groans, because they know that Brago or Kaalia or The Scarab God come out on Turn 2. It’s hard for me to see how Jeweled Lotus will be much different, especially considering the fact that the Sol Ring and Signet stick around after using them!

  • @OGNoNameNobody
    @OGNoNameNobody 4 года назад +5

    Prof: *Jeweled Lotus* is not an 'I Win' card.
    Me: Agreed, but, it *IS* an 'I am going to Win UNLESS you all stop me' card.

    • @aznsbd
      @aznsbd 4 года назад

      I'm sure most people will have a removal card saved for commander blitz.

    • @maxc7081
      @maxc7081 3 года назад

      Ofcourse, that's the point when playing the game. Trying to win and stop others from winning.

  • @zagqueenofchaos8352
    @zagqueenofchaos8352 4 года назад +6

    I mean, Vincent should have realized they where a bad genie by the fact that it was a genie

  • @enricomassignani
    @enricomassignani 4 года назад +10

    The biggest difference between Jeweled Lotus and Arcane Signet is that the latter is being reprinted at common while the former is a $100 mythic rare.

    • @zarock61
      @zarock61 4 года назад

      Yeah for its first printing lets not forget that lol

    • @enricomassignani
      @enricomassignani 4 года назад

      Even Mana crypt is cheaper xD

    • @angelrivera1420
      @angelrivera1420 4 года назад

      That price won't hold

    • @Anonymizur
      @Anonymizur 4 года назад +1

      @@LeonBelmont1000 Boxes are only 100 tho. Pull 1 and you pay for the box and a lot of another, it has to fall.

  • @1just2confused3
    @1just2confused3 4 года назад

    Seen your comment over at the Some More News channel. Good shit man. Stay groovy.

  • @Zetimenvec
    @Zetimenvec 4 года назад +23

    How's this for a functional reprint for wheel of fortune: 2R, Sorcery, Discard your hand, then draw one card, then draw two cards for each opponent you have.

    • @GodwynDi
      @GodwynDi 4 года назад

      Damn good is what it is.

    • @FirstLast-wg1gs
      @FirstLast-wg1gs 4 года назад +4

      2 years later print it at instant for 2 and a green

    • @Zetimenvec
      @Zetimenvec 4 года назад +1

      @@GodwynDi I agree with the edgy hot take that power nine cards are good.

    • @jakeapplegate6642
      @jakeapplegate6642 4 года назад

      I’m guessing you haven’t seen the spoiler for “wheel of misfortune”

    • @totallycarbon2106
      @totallycarbon2106 4 года назад +1

      @@jakeapplegate6642 of course they have, wheel of misfortune was talked about in the video and what was inspired this comment in the first place!

  • @casually_lurking
    @casually_lurking 6 месяцев назад +1

    The hindsight on this video is something; Magic became Commander, Commander was still broken, so Magic is now broken in turn.

  • @TheNeoDaedalus
    @TheNeoDaedalus 4 года назад +5

    The thing that I love about commander is that people playing ut can always just give wotc the finger and not play the cards.
    Personally imma get e jewelled lotus cuz I like to play cEDH on the side, but I simply won't play it in my casual decks.

  • @chrysmurphy3974
    @chrysmurphy3974 4 года назад +6

    Jeweled Lotus would be much more "balanced" if it was 'tap, exile' rather than 'tap, sacrifice'

    • @aznsbd
      @aznsbd 4 года назад

      I don't think its that great of a card. If I open one I'll try to trade or sell it immediately before the price drops.

    • @joseftollar6213
      @joseftollar6213 3 года назад

      @@aznsbd it’s not great for all commanders but getting say a turn one K’rrik or grand arbiter Augustine is just op

  • @cooltiger2439
    @cooltiger2439 4 года назад +4

    Your first wish on a genie should always be “ I wish that you can’t use my wish against me a in any way.”

  • @fluramba
    @fluramba 4 года назад +1

    That was the best intro yall have done together! 10/10

  • @conorkerr1673
    @conorkerr1673 4 года назад +4

    "I heard you like commander, so we put commander in your commander"

  • @hopposai787
    @hopposai787 4 года назад

    hey! i used to play gemstone three for YEARS back in the day. i haven't played in close to 20 years now, but i still have very fond memories of that game.

  • @ChaosHedgehog2
    @ChaosHedgehog2 3 года назад +7

    Hey Professor, maybe I missed a post about this somewhere but is this series postponed due to covid?

  • @tobiasebert777
    @tobiasebert777 4 года назад

    at 22:30: so true... I love it, to have cards to "figure out" what to do with them...

  • @bradross7488
    @bradross7488 4 года назад +11

    It is interesting to point out that people say that Jeweled lotus is bad for the game, but out the other side of their mouth say that the reserves list should be reprinted. I know it’s a different topic entirely, but what if this had just been black lotus in the mix (I know it’s not legal in commander, etc, etc)

  • @AlaskaDog907
    @AlaskaDog907 4 года назад +1

    New Dies to Removal is always a good day! Keep them coming guys!

  • @woofergranade2044
    @woofergranade2044 4 года назад +11

    I want Jeweled Lotus in my Ur-Dragon deck so I can actually cast it before the game ends. In my deck it’s just a way for me to cast my commander once (just once).

    • @Gladius714
      @Gladius714 4 года назад

      Yup I see this card mostly as a win due to helping highly costed commanders like UrDragon .

    • @TGWiegraf
      @TGWiegraf 4 года назад +2

      Morophon and jegantha.

    • @zarock61
      @zarock61 4 года назад

      Thats why we will sneak jeweled lotus and just rename it to something else

    • @zoeysheldon5634
      @zoeysheldon5634 4 года назад

      @@Gladius714 Casing Thasios turn one is always fun though.

  • @CraftStrategist
    @CraftStrategist 4 года назад +1

    I think one factor that Kenobi didn't consider about Opposition Agent is it allows you to look at your opponents entire deck. I agree with his other points because it is only going to happen once, but with this consideration I agree with the Professor where it should have just prevented tutors.

  • @brockmckelvey7327
    @brockmckelvey7327 4 года назад +5

    "Your wish will take 5 to 6 years"
    Okay Haruhi Suzumiya

  • @cherch222
    @cherch222 4 года назад

    Always happy to see a new episode show up on my feed.