The new shoreditch overground station was purposely placed in zone 1 to maximise the revenue stream from commuters who work near Liverpool st and who used to disembark at shoreditch to avoid having to buy a zone 1 ticket. Very sneaky.
Joe Dredd But The Best Thing If You Go From Clapham Juncton To Highbury & Islington it charges you Less,Because The Computer Don’t Know If You Go Via Zone 1 Or Not
I used to live in london from birth until I was 5 and I loved the tube and was fascinated by it (the announcement display taught me how to read at 4 as it showed words and spoke them). Even then I lived about a half hour train ride from london where my mum still worked in Piccadilly and I always felt at ease no matter how squashed I was on a tube. Now I'm living in Scotland in an area deprived of trains and it is a bit boring on buses. So thank you for teaching me more about the tube as I am a bit of a modern day train spotter (I really miss the wide arch shaped model of the district line train which was gray on top and red everywhere else that's how crazy I am about the tube) :)
Love the geekyness about the Overground! George Bernard Shaw, when he was theatre critic for the Saturday Review, travelled to review a play at the Theatre Royal, Stratford East. Apparently, he was very disparaging about Dalston and Haggerston, wondering who could possibly live in a place with such awful names. Presumably then, he would have travelled to Stratford via the Dalston Junction East Curve!
Just wanted to say that I really like your train videos. I'm an American "railfan" from Chicago, but I've always been fascinated by London trains. Keep up the good work.
2:47 I've always wondered why there were a pair of tracks that ran through South Tottenham Station that branched off from another rail line and branched off to another rail line. Seems like it took me 5 years to eventually find out (I always thought it was abandoned)
Fun fact about the once a day train service, it actually starts from Willsden TMD and goes empty to Upney Junction just beyond Barking and then back through Barking too Woodgrange Park to start its service.
I like this Overground new system : clean trains, brightly lit stations with vast public spaces, stairs and all… everything seems so well designed and thought. This clever video shows us a few unexpected bloops, well done
I've been looking forward for this for ages! I wish they where longer! They are so interesting and enjoyable to watch! Can't wait for part 2! Thanks Londonist :)
***** Thank you Geoff, will you be doing any other video about secrets. You said that all your subscribers would see the London overground part 2 first, when will that be because I have subscribed to your video about two weeks ago? thanks
Considering we are now in February 2020, I wonder if we take lots that Crossrail in regal purple may be in passenger service by 2025?? Would it have taken Communists even a year to bulldoze everything, displace, & build the thing? I am very anti socialism, yet sometimes...
I binged all these videos a few years ago, multiple times. I'm watching them again because I'm about to go to London, in less than a month now. My hotel is right next to an Overground station: Imperial Wharf. It's just a stroll over a roundabout! I just wish the different lines were more easily distinguishable on the map, I'll have to kinda wing it to get from St. Pancras to Imperial Wharf.
There should also be a connector blob for Saint James' Street (Overground(Liverpool Street to Chingford)) and Blackhorse Road (Victoria line) The two stations are reletavely close.
+Z-TeamProject Many tram lines are built on old railway lines, parts of the Croydon (London) Tramlink are built on parts of the courses of; Wimbledon to West Croydon and the Woodside and South Croydon Railways.
Apart from London, English trains suck. In Poland, I took a direct 100km express train with my brother and mother and it cost the equivalent of £10. A similar train in England could cost tens or hundreds of pounds with maybe one or two layovers
Geoff I love the fact you made the effort to wear a tie yet chose to leave the shirt out! Nice touch! Not stuffy office material yet mate, keep the secrets series coming I love them! Secrets of the Buses? London Trams? Disused lines? How about national? Secrets of the Great Central?
I have spotted two overground oddities. The first is Whitechaple where the Overground is underground and passes under the Underground which is overground. The second detail I like is at Kew Gardens station where there are cast concrete smoke deflectors on the old footbridge.
If your interested I live in Watford and I know a hell of a lot about railways around here. not just a few facts but abandoned stations and buildings, tracks, secrets things like that
Another secret is that Arriva runs it all. Arriva Rail London is what its really called. Its still part of the National Rail network. People living near the Enfield lines said they wanted Abellio Greater Anglia back
The station house for the old Shoreditch station (East London, not North London) is still around, and I think they should put it back into service. They can build a footbridge from there to the Shoreditch High Street Station.
I think I know why via Shoreditch is the zone 2 fare, it's because that section straddles zones 1 & 2 and the rules state that those traveling in such areas, like Earl's Court similarly, pay the lower fare...
Hi Geoff I love your videos, just thought id say that I think it would be a good idea if you made a video explaining the changes to railway lines around Liverpool Street/Broad Street/Shoreditch (East London Line), Shoreditch (Main Line)/Bishopsgate/Holborn Viaduct. Its had so many changes over the years. Just a thought, keep up with the great videos.
Tim Sekac there is. I go from crouch hill to turkey street to go to school and I change there every day. They just can’t fit the connector blob on the map
In korea, there is 경의중앙선 similar to overground. But different from overground, You can transfer directly from other subway lines without extra charge. If you have a T-money card (korean oyster), you can free transfer from subway to bus. and you also can use even at the convence store (ex 7 eleven,gs25,cu) in korea. You can find them from place to place in Korea. Come to Korea and have fun.
Someone may have already asked this, but did the railwaymen of the North London Railwaymen keep fighting in WW1 for a few extra months. Others stopped in 1918
I always recognize the Bollo Lane Viaduct when I see it. I hope you also mention in Part 2 how the North London Line originally continued through the lower level at Stratford to Silvertown. It was after all on the Tube Map on the back of your A - Z ;)
Not just to Silvertown but to North Woolwich. The Stratford-North Woolwich bit was closed after the opening of a new Docklands Light Railway line running very close to it.
Trivia point: The Central line passes deep under Shoreditch High Street Station. There is no intention to provide interchange presumably because Liverpool Street station is nearby.
Dear Geoff, I was a big fan of your videos, and they, along with your tube challenge videos have inspired me and daddy to go to every tube station (Not in a day though. I really liked your videos, and for ages I was wondering when you would do secrets of the overground. One thing - In your met video, you said you'd do the abandoned stations between Baker Street and Wembley Park. I really like your videos. Your's Scinscerely, BOB
Bob Phillips Bob, we made a DVD which has the 'Abandoned Stations' video on it - exclusive to the DVD. There are a last few number of copies left, here ... www.videoscene.co.uk/secrets-of-the-underground.html
Hi Geoff, please please please Chesham is pronounced Chess ham. and really it is also Amers Ham. This is how names get corrupted so do on your next thingy let people know that there is no Chesham but a Chess Ham a town on the river Chess. It really IS on the river Chess as the river runs under the properties on the main road as we discovered when the old SEB showroom had its floor dug up! Also you may like to know that the line was originally going to link up with the line to Berkhamsted and by following the (note the incorrect spelling) Berkhampstead Road. If you follow the road then you will discover the line was actually routed and bridges made. I do hope you read this as it may be yet another secret.
Battersea Park will be the mystery station I reckon. There is one train at 6 ish in the morning to Highbury and Is', and one which terminates from there at about 11pm I think it is (it's quite late).
I can't believe anyone knows this much about railways! Just imagine if you had been a medical researcher. We would have cured numerous diseases by now!
5:00 thats 1983 london underground stock used on jubilee line since 1984 but it got replaced by 1996 london underground stock in 1998 just 1 year before extension to stratford, also nice videos
I hope you don't mind a couple of minor corrections which don't detract from your programme. The line to Broad Street was built by the North London Railway, not the East London, and the war memorial used to stand in the station concourse. When Broad Street closed in 1986, the memorial was moved to Richmond, as you state, but was located in the station, not a car park. All the best!
+Londonist Ltd When London Overground takes over Southern Railways Metro services such as the Victoria to Sutton and Victoria to London Bridge via Crystal Palace lines, will they change the seating and make trains like the Class 378. will all the lovely toilets, tables, reading lamps, Luggage racks, plug sockets and 2×2 seating disappear?
LeviNZ says... very good as always... provided your ears are tuned to 78wpm. Fortunately, the Modern Geoff seems to have slowed his delivery and made himself much more clearly understood.
America has a secret once a day train too, it's called Amtrak
Jacob Lackey Amtrak is useless
qjtvaddict IKR
Lizardtube
Jacob Lackey That is very right
qjtvaddict not in the Northeast Corridor
These videos are great, I don't live in London, and I'm not into trains, but this series is really good.
Same
Same
why am i still so interested in these videos.... I'm not even a commuter in london :L
Me either. Besides, i'm from Spain
Álvaro Herrera I'm from Sydney Australia and I love this
Tom Keane I love it too. I've always have curiosity of London transport
toasty bear lmao i live in fuckin mexico
I'm in Ireland too, but I grew up in London so I'm somewhat familiar with the tube and I was on it as a child.
The new shoreditch overground station was purposely placed in zone 1 to maximise the revenue stream from commuters who work near Liverpool st and who used to disembark at shoreditch to avoid having to buy a zone 1 ticket. Very sneaky.
Joe Dredd But The Best Thing If You Go From Clapham Juncton To Highbury & Islington it charges you Less,Because The Computer Don’t Know If You Go Via Zone 1 Or Not
london is nice bro but i dont use the overground
Almost 4 years later, Geoff finally got his South Tottenham wish
It's a "10 minute walk" connector rather than a blob though.
South Tottenham Seven Sisters Geoff Marshall Problem 2015-2020
@Fried Soda Also Edgware Road
I used to live in london from birth until I was 5 and I loved the tube and was fascinated by it (the announcement display taught me how to read at 4 as it showed words and spoke them). Even then I lived about a half hour train ride from london where my mum still worked in Piccadilly and I always felt at ease no matter how squashed I was on a tube. Now I'm living in Scotland in an area deprived of trains and it is a bit boring on buses. So thank you for teaching me more about the tube as I am a bit of a modern day train spotter (I really miss the wide arch shaped model of the district line train which was gray on top and red everywhere else that's how crazy I am about the tube)
:)
Love the geekyness about the Overground!
George Bernard Shaw, when he was theatre critic for the Saturday Review, travelled to review a play at the Theatre Royal, Stratford East. Apparently, he was very disparaging about Dalston and Haggerston, wondering who could possibly live in a place with such awful names. Presumably then, he would have travelled to Stratford via the Dalston Junction East Curve!
Just wanted to say that I really like your train videos. I'm an American "railfan" from Chicago, but I've always been fascinated by London trains. Keep up the good work.
Conversely I love the American big stuff 😀
2:47 I've always wondered why there were a pair of tracks that ran through South Tottenham Station that branched off from another rail line and branched off to another rail line. Seems like it took me 5 years to eventually find out (I always thought it was abandoned)
I'm into simulations, and even though I don't live in London, I'm so glad I could "drive" one of these trains in Train Simulator. Good job brits.
The SW sweet
Fun fact about the once a day train service, it actually starts from Willsden TMD and goes empty to Upney Junction just beyond Barking and then back through Barking too Woodgrange Park to start its service.
Really interesting nice and informative video. Thank you for uploading. Greetings and best wishes from Germany. Günter.
I like this Overground new system : clean trains, brightly lit stations with vast public spaces, stairs and all… everything seems so well designed and thought. This clever video shows us a few unexpected bloops, well done
you will never guess what the hackney to Dalston line (something that starts crossrail and ends with 2)
Shocking shortage of seats on some overground trains though.
I've been looking forward for this for ages! I wish they where longer! They are so interesting and enjoyable to watch! Can't wait for part 2! Thanks Londonist :)
Yet another brilliant Secrets Video - THANKS A LOT Geoff, for getting it to us!
These videos really are great - well done Geoff and team.
Very good.
If only you could make each part 30min long ...
***** Thank you Geoff, will you be doing any other video about secrets. You said that all your subscribers would see the London overground part 2 first, when will that be because I have subscribed to your video about two weeks ago? thanks
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I've always wondered what those old trains were doing up there in Shoreditch! Thanks :-)
The overground has so many lines they should do something like the tube and have different overground lines
Great vid😁
Different lines and different trains?
Well for me nothing can top the Tube!
I love these videos, Geoff!
Thanks David, we love you too for watching!
:)
Part of my study as an industrial archaeologist was the whole railway thing. Lovely, then, to see a channel like yours.
I wonder if there will be a "secrets of Crossrail" video when it opens... Eventually
There is "Secrets of TfL Rail".
The biggest secret is it will never be finished. Also total secret will be the final cost.
Considering we are now in February 2020, I wonder if we take lots that Crossrail in regal purple may be in passenger service by 2025?? Would it have taken Communists even a year to bulldoze everything, displace, & build the thing? I am very anti socialism, yet sometimes...
it is may 2020 and crossrail is yet to open lmao
@@joesos Yeah, it was of its time, the comment. Little did we know at the time that the project was running so far behind schedule
1:23 Matt: "why?" (I know he says "Hi.".)
I binged all these videos a few years ago, multiple times. I'm watching them again because I'm about to go to London, in less than a month now. My hotel is right next to an Overground station: Imperial Wharf. It's just a stroll over a roundabout!
I just wish the different lines were more easily distinguishable on the map, I'll have to kinda wing it to get from St. Pancras to Imperial Wharf.
There should also be a connector blob for Saint James' Street (Overground(Liverpool Street to Chingford)) and Blackhorse Road (Victoria line) The two stations are reletavely close.
Now secrets of the national rail services or the tram line.
ALL OF THEM. xD
National rail is boring and there's nothing to see on the tram line
Or Secrets of Thameslink at least?
Alexander Yap theres nothing even on national rail thats worth seeing, at least tfl provide good easter eggs
+Z-TeamProject Many tram lines are built on old railway lines, parts of the Croydon (London) Tramlink are built on parts of the courses of; Wimbledon to West Croydon and the Woodside and South Croydon Railways.
Missed these, thanks for making them. I know it's not on the tube map, but please please please can we have a Secrets of the Tramlink?
There is a combined map published with tram link on it
Nice profile pic xD
Hackney Downs and Hackney Central are linked, but this connection was built after this video was uploaded.
I love British trains, they're so colorful !
Contrasting colours are a safety requirement and then you have the branding colours
@@user-ky6vw5up9m oh that's nice to know !
Apart from London, English trains suck. In Poland, I took a direct 100km express train with my brother and mother and it cost the equivalent of £10. A similar train in England could cost tens or hundreds of pounds with maybe one or two layovers
Wow! Never knew there we're that many secrets of the Overground. Very much looking forward to part 2! :)
Very good Geoff. Some things there even I didn't know
Thanks
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Looking forward to part 2 .... great video.
Geoff I love the fact you made the effort to wear a tie yet chose to leave the shirt out! Nice touch! Not stuffy office material yet mate, keep the secrets series coming I love them! Secrets of the Buses? London Trams? Disused lines? How about national? Secrets of the Great Central?
Wow! Very good and so interesting video. Thank you and best greetings from Germany. Günter.
I used to go there when I was a baby , at that gardens at salvation junction, and it’s very nice.
I have spotted two overground oddities. The first is Whitechaple where the Overground is underground and passes under the Underground which is overground. The second detail I like is at Kew Gardens station where there are cast concrete smoke deflectors on the old footbridge.
Just seen you covered Whitechaple on your District line video.
If your interested I live in Watford and I know a hell of a lot about railways around here. not just a few facts but abandoned stations and buildings, tracks, secrets things like that
Now the Barking to Gospel Oak line is electric.
I'm making a minature overground in my garden with
C stock
S stock trains
Another GREAT Video, looking forward to seeing part 2
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Another secret is that Arriva runs it all. Arriva Rail London is what its really called. Its still part of the National Rail network. People living near the Enfield lines said they wanted Abellio Greater Anglia back
Yes you made this just like we asked for, thank you!
Dalston Junction was really different in the 70s
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I LOVE these videos! You are my favorite RUclipsr
I just need Part 2 to come out and that would be my favourite part of the TFL/ UK rail network covered!! :)
***** Brilliant set of videos Geoff, well done!! :)
The station house for the old Shoreditch station (East London, not North London) is still around, and I think they should put it back into service. They can build a footbridge from there to the Shoreditch High Street Station.
I think I know why via Shoreditch is the zone 2 fare, it's because that section straddles zones 1 & 2 and the rules state that those traveling in such areas, like Earl's Court similarly, pay the lower fare...
Did you not have an Orange shirt then Geoff?
hakc97again If you look closely, it appears that he's wearing it beneath his shirt.
***** Ah yes I do see it. Why did he choose to cover it up? Was it chilly?
Coldclough its always cold in England
Coldclough I know how m a bit late with this comment but just noticed he got the same colour shirt and tie as the LORL uniform
If you like the cold, visit England. If you don't like politics, don't.
Hi Geoff
I love your videos, just thought id say that I think it would be a good idea if you made a video explaining the changes to railway lines around Liverpool Street/Broad Street/Shoreditch (East London Line), Shoreditch (Main Line)/Bishopsgate/Holborn Viaduct. Its had so many changes over the years. Just a thought, keep up with the great videos.
***** Chris, we have a video coming out .. TOMORROW that you might like that does this!
I have a feeling the Battersea Park train will be in the next video. You even left a clue!!!
You just spoiled it for everyone! Well not me, but everyone else
Poor old South Tottenham should get the same connextion too! That would be very handy!
Tim Sekac there is. I go from crouch hill to turkey street to go to school and I change there every day. They just can’t fit the connector blob on the map
6:01 I'd the train really just missed the station! 😂
In korea, there is 경의중앙선 similar to overground. But different from overground, You can transfer directly from other subway lines without extra charge. If you have a T-money card (korean oyster), you can free transfer from subway to bus. and you also can use even at the convence store (ex 7 eleven,gs25,cu) in korea.
You can find them from place to place in Korea.
Come to Korea and have fun.
Someone may have already asked this, but did the railwaymen of the North London Railwaymen keep fighting in WW1 for a few extra months. Others stopped in 1918
Britain and some of its allies did keep on fighting in Russia some time after 1918, trying to overturn the Russian Revolution.
I thoroughly enjoy these videos, mainly since London is my home town. Do tuck in your shirt, there's a good lad.
I always recognize the Bollo Lane Viaduct when I see it.
I hope you also mention in Part 2 how the North London Line originally continued through the lower level at Stratford to Silvertown. It was after all on the Tube Map on the back of your A - Z ;)
Not just to Silvertown but to North Woolwich. The Stratford-North Woolwich bit was closed after the opening of a new Docklands Light Railway line running very close to it.
Great train!🚞🛤🚥🚦
very good and very interesting, thanks
Trivia point:
The Central line passes deep under Shoreditch High Street Station. There is no intention to provide interchange presumably because Liverpool Street station is nearby.
Dear Geoff,
I was a big fan of your videos, and they, along with your tube challenge videos have inspired me and daddy to go to every tube station (Not in a day though. I really liked your videos, and for ages I was wondering when you would do secrets of the overground. One thing - In your met video, you said you'd do the abandoned stations between Baker Street and Wembley Park. I really like your videos.
Your's Scinscerely, BOB
Bob Phillips Bob, we made a DVD which has the 'Abandoned Stations' video on it - exclusive to the DVD. There are a last few number of copies left, here ... www.videoscene.co.uk/secrets-of-the-underground.html
there's loads of things to see and Geoff would be extremely intrigued. I think he could make a great vid on it. I jut wish I could show him round.....
WE LOVE MATT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Melissa cooley we'll let him know, Melissa!
+Londonist Ltd 💖💖
Love all of *****'s videos! Informative as always. :)
Srh
I always wondered about those tube carriages in Shoreditch!
Hi Geoff, please please please Chesham is pronounced Chess ham. and really it is also Amers Ham. This is how names get corrupted so do on your next thingy let people know that there is no Chesham but a Chess Ham a town on the river Chess. It really IS on the river Chess as the river runs under the properties on the main road as we discovered when the old SEB showroom had its floor dug up! Also you may like to know that the line was originally going to link up with the line to Berkhamsted and by following the (note the incorrect spelling) Berkhampstead Road. If you follow the road then you will discover the line was actually routed and bridges made. I do hope you read this as it may be yet another secret.
GOBLIN is electric now
The London Overground now has a massive 113 stations in total! Here's Part 2: ruclips.net/video/e9xRFk8ffr8/видео.html
Thank you for the link
Very interesting keep up the listing.
Imagine every USA subway song
23rd Street, 24th Street, 25th Street Etc. Etc.
Great as usual. But I may have missed something - where's your better half? Thanks
The Overground is enjoy.
Just love Overground.
More then Underground?
Battersea Park will be the mystery station I reckon. There is one train at 6 ish in the morning to Highbury and Is', and one which terminates from there at about 11pm I think it is (it's quite late).
Next time write spoilers
The only truly new route on east London line is the severe bend at shoreditch station to link the two original separate routes together.
I can't believe anyone knows this much about railways! Just imagine if you had been a medical researcher. We would have cured numerous diseases by now!
This should be a bbc 3 series.
FINALLY!!!!!
(Thank You!)
Who remembers these 172 trains miss them
Hang on! In 2:18 south Tottenham and seven sis is close to my house
5:00 thats 1983 london underground stock used on jubilee line since 1984 but it got replaced by 1996 london underground stock in 1998 just 1 year before extension to stratford, also nice videos
Finally! Whoop! Well done :)
I dont even live anywhere the uk and this is extremely interesting
I’m literally on the other side of the world
I hope you don't mind a couple of minor corrections which don't detract from your programme. The line to Broad Street was built by the North London Railway, not the East London, and the war memorial used to stand in the station concourse. When Broad Street closed in 1986, the memorial was moved to Richmond, as you state, but was located in the station, not a car park. All the best!
Wapping to Euston between barking and Clapham
Geoff,
Overground trains, like Underground trains occasionally don’t stop for operational reasons it is unremarkable ! Rgds.
Get Geoff to do this again but add more bits to it. Including the Lea Valley Lines (Chingford, Enfield Town and Cheshunt Lines).
+Londonist Ltd When London Overground takes over Southern Railways Metro services such as the Victoria to Sutton and Victoria to London Bridge via Crystal Palace lines, will they change the seating and make trains like the Class 378. will all the lovely toilets, tables, reading lamps, Luggage racks, plug sockets and 2×2 seating disappear?
The central line passes below Shoreditch High Street station but there is no intention to provide interchange.
Who thinks another special service should be Stratford - Watford Junction?
+TheTrainGame Definately. It is possible as well. They just need to switch power source on that curve where the Diesel stops.
True
Reanimated That's physically not possible.
The NLL and ELL are not connected together
I was too old before I realised the overground and National rail are different things.
Very good.
Underground - overground - wombling free. . .
LeviNZ says... very good as always... provided your ears are tuned to 78wpm. Fortunately, the Modern Geoff seems to have slowed his delivery and made himself much more clearly understood.
I have never been on the diesel ones, but I have been on the Electric ones in September 2018
I love the overground but I don't often ride it because my local station is Camden Town
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I love orange!
Yes! Finally thank you for making this
Tasis su db isn't
Ashc
Love it!!!!
5:00 They removed the carriages.
Next - Secrets of the London Tramlink
I loved Broad Street even though it was damaged and lost half its canopy to a German WW2 bomb.