Explaining my choice to stay on my path and what it means to me as well as people in that grind. #armwrestling #biceps #diet #grip #natty #natural #strength #truth #motivation
I felt the same way you did about juice when I was younger. It was always a temptation. The difference is I finally gave into it because curiosity got the best of me when I was probably 25. I got a lot bigger and a lot stronger, that much is for sure. But the negative side effects it's had on me since I stopped taking them 15 years ago wasn't really worth it. It was a fun ride but not worth it in the long run. My testosterone levels have always been on the low end ever since I did several cycles back in the day. Never quite recovered. I stopped producing sperm for 5 years which is fine if you don't want kids but I was trying to have them at the time. Not everybody has to go through this but you don't know until you try and buy that point it could be too late. I have a lot of respect for the fact that you have resisted the temptation for so long. There certainly wouldn't be anything wrong if you decided to try it. That's a personal thing. But what impresses me most is the fact that you can be at such a high level without touching the stuff. Just imagine where you would be at right now if you "pulled a Ermes, Levan etc" for a few years. You'd be a beast. I guess it's all about weighing out with the pros and cons. Devon obviously decided the health risks were worth it at his age but not everyone is willing too risk so much for a sporting event. Good luck in you upcoming match!
I always thought of The Three Little pigs as one house versus the other and what's stronger, I never really thought about the time and effort it took to build each one, that's a good insight
Norm is STILL ridiculously strong. I know I suck at armwrestling, but two years in I can say I'm lightyears better than I was when I first started. Consistency DOES pay off, you're so right Rob.
Hey Rob, thanks for opening up and putting yourself out there. I'll be honest, when I first started watching you I thought you were kind of a douche. But after listening to some of your video's, and listening to you on Neil Pickup's channel and others, you're quickly becoming one of my favorite armwrestlers and favorite people in general. Its been nice getting to know you through these videos, and I respect you for your honesty, openness, transparency and candor.
Everyone must take their own path. I'm with you, I want to see what i'm capable of. Its not easy doing construction and training heavy but in the long run staying clean and working hard will pay off. Grandfather was a mason, had guns and crazy grip on him in his 70s still. From years of hard work
The ONLY real goal is to be the best version of yourself. We are the best, the PERFECTLY ballanced adversaries to ourselves. The literally PERFECT opponent. That you can win NO DOUBT against, but you also have to putr work to achieve that win. All thats left is how do you wanna win, by how much, and how convincingly. Thats all. And you also cant lie to yourself. You allways know, if you win, you know 100% if you could win better, win more, if you put more work. You allways know if you could do it better.
I did the sprint....peer pressure got me and a lack of parents / stability. If your going to do it , accept one day you have to pay the butcher back . And it costs a lot. John is still pulling with a little help from science due to his love of the sport, just enough to keep him in it Ermes / Levan made a deal with a bad butcher and best hope his office is not the hospital. The butcher always collects his tab!
I’ve always thought that using anything excessively to gain strength or muscle would result in losing a large % of either when you stop or use less. That includes PED’s, creatine and protein shakes. I do drink protein shakes occasionally, mainly to replace sweets and ice cream. But I’ve never been tempted to try steroids, testosterone (I’m grand master class) or creatine because I also want to see what “I can do”.
Never understood how people think gaining 40-50 pounds of muscle in less than a year is "normal". Especially when they looked like Peter Griffin before with no foundation. I remember being young and my older brother and uncles would tell me that gaining a pound or two of muscle in a month is very hard and only possible if you grind your ass off and eat accordingly. And even then you aren't guaranteed gains that fast.
@@RobVigeantRVJ Very true. Hey Rob on another topic, if you are disclosing it. Has anyone reached out to you about pulling Arsen Liliev? Pradeep has mentioned it again in his latest video, was just curious.
@@GarcDi3 a long time ago… Now that arsen is back who knows where his weight will be and when I free up where everyone will be at, I’m open to whatever
Agreed. Great to see the comeback train keeps going. Rob do you think you could turn the experience, research, and the thoughts into a book or something to help youths not fall into it right off the bat? Re-watched all your vids a while back and the more well thought out the ideas become, I feel like theres chapters from all the angles it can be looked at and applied i.e ( (health concerns from starting and banging early vs the longevity/benefits of letting the body adapt naturally over time )(phycological differences and implications/repercussions of each like related to the longer dedicated route vs the short indulgence route)( the promotional side with inherent incentives/motivations to encourage the unhealthy behavior for 'clout' and momentary success etc)) to this and enough to do it if you wanted to put the thoughts on paper.
They are DEFINITELY PED’s. It’s not when a debate. They just aren’t the kind that mess with your hormones and other bodily functions. Yet, the truth is, we still don’t actually know if there are negative side effects.
How do you feel about supplements for joint and tendon recovery? Talking like turkesterone, collagen types, msm, and other things that dont mess with hormones or test like roids do. Are we truly natural if we supplement with anything but high quality food sources?
I mean, I only take a low-grade multivitamin, gummy, and a beet supplement that, for some reason I got in my head, cause I like beats… But I don’t take anything else, not protein powder, or even creatine… That could be my own weirdness, but I generally have felt like other things like creatine in short spurts made me feel weird so I just stopped it… It could be me and a placebo effect but I think why get something that’s supposed to be grass fed beef derived when I could just eat grass fed beef
@RobVigeantRVJ agreed ! appreciate the response! Additionally id add I take Cissus quadrangularis (tendon repairing plant) and alot of collagen all 3 types, surprisingly havent had injuries in 4 yrs of intense training, maybe theres something to it or not
@@estebanleyva777 do have a collagen supplement that I take when sore that I think really does work. I take it as needed… it’s cheap but does seem to hrlp
If you're genuinely 168 ng/dl you would know, trust me. I've been in the high 300s and it's already aching joints, ED, washed out physique, less energy etc. 168 ng/dl would be full on hypogonadal, you'd feel like absolute dog shit. Unless you've taken Steroids or sarms or have testicle cancer, it's extremely unlikely that you're below where I was when you're only 30, especially without all the symptoms. You could probably go into the low 300s if you were very very sick and weren't eating like I was, but 168 is ridiculous.
@@BenOfficial94never done steroids, although I ran a small oral cycle when I was early 20s which might have affected me. But I’m always low energy and low strength in the gym. My doctor put me on 200mg every 2 weeks for 3 months so we’ll see how I feel after.
Some people are evil , and easily would sell themselves . People choose sides , but it's also nice to show the other side that , right choices are available to be made
Plus, people can be juiced to the gills and not look at because they’re not training like bodybuilders dot some guys do but there are guys that or juice to the max but they use it in a way for strength or endurance and their body doesn’t show as much changes But even still I could show before and after pictures that pretty surprising
If you need it… I have just been told that those clinics are happy to jack up your dosing even if you don’t need it as well as I think it’s a loophole for guys to have noticeable physical changes when they’re doing more than a clinical dose. If you really tested, these competitive guys who say they’re just doing TRT I think the real results would be different.
@@RobVigeantRVJ Agreed. Typically it was 1 shot a week and during John's comeback, he said he had 2 vials instead of one. So obviously, he doubled his dose. probably had test levels in the 1000-1500 range (versus normal being like 300-700). That's also probably why he gets pumped up sooo fast. All of that TRT making him get pumped insanely quick vs his younger years. And speaking of females in the sport... I swear alot of them having deepening voices and receding hairlines... not gonna name names but everyone knows who i mean.
I felt the same way you did about juice when I was younger. It was always a temptation. The difference is I finally gave into it because curiosity got the best of me when I was probably 25. I got a lot bigger and a lot stronger, that much is for sure. But the negative side effects it's had on me since I stopped taking them 15 years ago wasn't really worth it. It was a fun ride but not worth it in the long run. My testosterone levels have always been on the low end ever since I did several cycles back in the day. Never quite recovered. I stopped producing sperm for 5 years which is fine if you don't want kids but I was trying to have them at the time. Not everybody has to go through this but you don't know until you try and buy that point it could be too late. I have a lot of respect for the fact that you have resisted the temptation for so long. There certainly wouldn't be anything wrong if you decided to try it. That's a personal thing. But what impresses me most is the fact that you can be at such a high level without touching the stuff. Just imagine where you would be at right now if you "pulled a Ermes, Levan etc" for a few years. You'd be a beast. I guess it's all about weighing out with the pros and cons. Devon obviously decided the health risks were worth it at his age but not everyone is willing too risk so much for a sporting event. Good luck in you upcoming match!
Thank you
I always thought of The Three Little pigs as one house versus the other and what's stronger, I never really thought about the time and effort it took to build each one, that's a good insight
Great wisdom. Thanks a lot
Love the talks. True words. It is gonna be fun watching you smash the haters. 💪
Norm is STILL ridiculously strong. I know I suck at armwrestling, but two years in I can say I'm lightyears better than I was when I first started. Consistency DOES pay off, you're so right Rob.
Wishing you the best Rob, you're an inspiration to us young natural guys.
Spot on Rob, keep the content coming.
Hey Rob, thanks for opening up and putting yourself out there. I'll be honest, when I first started watching you I thought you were kind of a douche. But after listening to some of your video's, and listening to you on Neil Pickup's channel and others, you're quickly becoming one of my favorite armwrestlers and favorite people in general. Its been nice getting to know you through these videos, and I respect you for your honesty, openness, transparency and candor.
Everyone must take their own path. I'm with you, I want to see what i'm capable of. Its not easy doing construction and training heavy but in the long run staying clean and working hard will pay off. Grandfather was a mason, had guns and crazy grip on him in his 70s still. From years of hard work
Perfect.
Hard work stays. Shortcuts don’t.
The ONLY real goal is to be the best version of yourself. We are the best, the PERFECTLY ballanced adversaries to ourselves. The literally PERFECT opponent. That you can win NO DOUBT against, but you also have to putr work to achieve that win.
All thats left is how do you wanna win, by how much, and how convincingly. Thats all.
And you also cant lie to yourself. You allways know, if you win, you know 100% if you could win better, win more, if you put more work. You allways know if you could do it better.
I did the sprint....peer pressure got me and a lack of parents / stability.
If your going to do it , accept one day you have to pay the butcher back . And it costs a lot.
John is still pulling with a little help from science due to his love of the sport, just enough to keep him in it
Ermes / Levan made a deal with a bad butcher and best hope his office is not the hospital.
The butcher always collects his tab!
Well said
Your analogy was good. It's really the basis of life.
Great balanced perspective.
Your best wisdom nugget yet.....They used to tell us kids this story about the three little pigs in the old days, I guess they don't anymore.
I’ve always thought that using anything excessively to gain strength or muscle would result in losing a large % of either when you stop or use less. That includes PED’s, creatine and protein shakes. I do drink protein shakes occasionally, mainly to replace sweets and ice cream. But I’ve never been tempted to try steroids, testosterone (I’m grand master class) or creatine because I also want to see what “I can do”.
Ey yooo Rob the 3 pigs worked smarter right enough 😁♥️💪🦊🎱
RUclips algorithm boosting comment 💪... the AW world is better with u IN IT! and u making these vids can be like self therapy!
Never understood how people think gaining 40-50 pounds of muscle in less than a year is "normal".
Especially when they looked like Peter Griffin before with no foundation.
I remember being young and my older brother and uncles would tell me that gaining a pound or two of muscle in a month is very hard and only possible if you grind your ass off and eat accordingly.
And even then you aren't guaranteed gains that fast.
And that’s in the beginning… Even that will taper off with some training and time where five lbs in a year maybe be very hard with diet and work
@@RobVigeantRVJ Very true.
Hey Rob on another topic, if you are disclosing it.
Has anyone reached out to you about pulling Arsen Liliev?
Pradeep has mentioned it again in his latest video, was just curious.
@@GarcDi3 a long time ago… Now that arsen is back who knows where his weight will be and when I free up where everyone will be at, I’m open to whatever
@@RobVigeantRVJ ah gotcha.
Would be hype to see if he gets back in form.
Agreed.
Great to see the comeback train keeps going.
Rob do you think you could turn the experience, research, and the thoughts into a book or something to help youths not fall into it right off the bat? Re-watched all your vids a while back and the more well thought out the ideas become, I feel like theres chapters from all the angles it can be looked at and applied i.e ( (health concerns from starting and banging early vs the longevity/benefits of letting the body adapt naturally over time )(phycological differences and implications/repercussions of each like related to the longer dedicated route vs the short indulgence route)( the promotional side with inherent incentives/motivations to encourage the unhealthy behavior for 'clout' and momentary success etc)) to this and enough to do it if you wanted to put the thoughts on paper.
l want to see you on a level playing field!
Armwrestling is a marathon not a sprint. Give a good 4-5 years before giving up. And enjoy the process
Cowabunga.
Would you consider stem cells as PEDs? I’d love your thoughts behind that. Thanks!
@donnie9365 truth. It does enhance performance so I agree.
Yes, for the reasons, you guys stated
They are DEFINITELY PED’s. It’s not when a debate. They just aren’t the kind that mess with your hormones and other bodily functions. Yet, the truth is, we still don’t actually know if there are negative side effects.
Agreed, they are in the way described.
Sheesh RUclips deletes like 50% of everything I comment. Yea there’s no debate - stem is a PED. Period.
Imma try to make a brick house.
She's a BRICK.. HOUSE!!! 🎤🥴
💪🏻👊🏻😀
How do you feel about supplements for joint and tendon recovery? Talking like turkesterone, collagen types, msm, and other things that dont mess with hormones or test like roids do. Are we truly natural if we supplement with anything but high quality food sources?
I mean, I only take a low-grade multivitamin, gummy, and a beet supplement that, for some reason I got in my head, cause I like beats… But I don’t take anything else, not protein powder, or even creatine… That could be my own weirdness, but I generally have felt like other things like creatine in short spurts made me feel weird so I just stopped it… It could be me and a placebo effect but I think why get something that’s supposed to be grass fed beef derived when I could just eat grass fed beef
@RobVigeantRVJ agreed ! appreciate the response! Additionally id add I take Cissus quadrangularis (tendon repairing plant) and alot of collagen all 3 types, surprisingly havent had injuries in 4 yrs of intense training, maybe theres something to it or not
@@estebanleyva777 do have a collagen supplement that I take when sore that I think really does work.
I take it as needed… it’s cheap but does seem to hrlp
What do you think of a 30yr old male with 168 Test level? I was shocked to see my bloodwork with that low
No idea… never did bloodwork… never considered test levels.
I think everyone should live well.
I just think that notion gets abused
They always say everyone is low. They want to sell you trt dude. That’s how that BUSINESS works. It’s sales.
If you're genuinely 168 ng/dl you would know, trust me. I've been in the high 300s and it's already aching joints, ED, washed out physique, less energy etc. 168 ng/dl would be full on hypogonadal, you'd feel like absolute dog shit. Unless you've taken Steroids or sarms or have testicle cancer, it's extremely unlikely that you're below where I was when you're only 30, especially without all the symptoms. You could probably go into the low 300s if you were very very sick and weren't eating like I was, but 168 is ridiculous.
@@BenOfficial94never done steroids, although I ran a small oral cycle when I was early 20s which might have affected me. But I’m always low energy and low strength in the gym. My doctor put me on 200mg every 2 weeks for 3 months so we’ll see how I feel after.
Some people are evil , and easily would sell themselves . People choose sides , but it's also nice to show the other side that , right choices are available to be made
Rob, John takes test......thats juicing.... How you feel about his 0.5ml at his age?
I don’t know enough about levels and stuff. I just know what I see as far as physical changes and performance.
Just thinking Matt Mask looks natty.. What's your opinion
Not if I showed you before pics and videos.
Plus, people can be juiced to the gills and not look at because they’re not training like bodybuilders dot some guys do but there are guys that or juice to the max but they use it in a way for strength or endurance and their body doesn’t show as much changes But even still I could show before and after pictures that pretty surprising
@@RobVigeantRVJ is that why he was actually balding? haha.
Ummm… one could speculate
Theres really nothing wrong with being on a clinical dose of TRT.
If you need it… I have just been told that those clinics are happy to jack up your dosing even if you don’t need it as well as I think it’s a loophole for guys to have noticeable physical changes when they’re doing more than a clinical dose. If you really tested, these competitive guys who say they’re just doing TRT I think the real results would be different.
@@RobVigeantRVJ Agreed. Typically it was 1 shot a week and during John's comeback, he said he had 2 vials instead of one. So obviously, he doubled his dose. probably had test levels in the 1000-1500 range (versus normal being like 300-700). That's also probably why he gets pumped up sooo fast. All of that TRT making him get pumped insanely quick vs his younger years.
And speaking of females in the sport... I swear alot of them having deepening voices and receding hairlines... not gonna name names but everyone knows who i mean.
Yeah man it’s disheartening as a father, who wants his girl to get in it, but I’ve seen some girls that were running levels, probably higher than mine