Historical notes - First, I literally watched Douglas Bader pronounce his own name and I tried to say it exactly like him, so no comments on that please lol. Next, obviously the biplane shown is a Sopwith Camel, but he was flying a Bulldog Mk II in his crash. Also, the twin engine bomber that he took down over the coast was a Do-17, but I have shown a Ju-88. (Have to make these adjustments with the limits of the flight sim I use). Also, some historians argue that he could have also been shot down by either German or an RAF plane as well. Thanks for watching guys! Hope you enjoy!
A wee note on the pronunciation (SORRY!) - you're saying it like him but he had an upper class British accent so it sounds weird when you don't have that as well. For a non-accented pronunciation according to the international phonetic alphabet (IPA) it would be /ˈbɑːdər/ with the ending like "lett*er*. As a prep school grad his accent was quite posh so the "Bahdah" is emblematic of that. Excellent presentation though and the pronunciation does nothing to detract from that!
Sorry again you might call me pedantic but the biplane you were flying (replicating the Hawker Bulldog) is not the Sopwith Camel but the Sopwith Dolphin, an inline engine modification based on the Camel airframe.
An excellent presentation. Thank you. You don't make mention of it but I do believe that Bader went on to pilot private airliners for a small airline operated by Shell oil after his discharge from the Royal Air Force and did so for many years. Reading the book, Reach for the Sky by Paul Brickhill gives a lot of details about his exploits and accident and the movie of the same name is faithful to the book and well worth watching if you can find it. I had the privilege of showing it at boarding school in Northern Rhodesia in the late 1950's probably shortly after it's release. I was the projectionist and all of about 14 years of age.
I thought he was possibly shot down by Galland's wingman. Incidentally my Grandfather worked on his prosthetic legs during the war at Hangers, a prosthetics factory.
I am 69. When I was a young boy (I guess 7 years old) Douglas Bader came to my school and gave us a talk about his wartime exploits and experiences - I can't remember anything about it other than that I thought he was a very special man.
Something you will remember for a life time. I’m only one year older and I wish I could have been there. Check out John Lucky Luckadoo presentation. If you have the time check mine as well RUclips search “3 Days In May 1943”.
Your request for the viewers to support the Douglas Baudder(sp), foundation had a huge positive impact upon me. Not only am I an amputee, but I have two other different kinds of very serious injuries from the same accident. Much appreciation for your act of generosity. God-Speed, my friend
Pity we didn’t reciprocate - What wasn’t mentioned was that Adolf Galland approached Reichs Marshal Herman Göering, who arranged safe passage for an RAF bomber to deliver Bader’s prosthetic limb, HOWEVER on the return journey the aircraft bombed several enemy targets!
I have had met Sir Douglas Bader 3 time's....the first time is when he came to" Clontarf Boy's Town, a boarding School, when l was a student their in 1975. When l spoke extensively to him, as l was requested the task of showing him around the school ( because I wouldn't shut up talking to him) and gave him a picture l had drawn of the 242 squadron motif of a flying boot kicking Hitler in the ass.......he signed it and gave it back to me ! The Second time was at the Perth entertainment centre that same year, were he told the audience about his many exploit's, were a honour ceremony was put on for him, and l was amongst that guard, as l was lucky to be a RAAF cadet.....with my two brother's who were also cadet's.
My Mum always spoke of the time she met Douglas Bader at a mess dinner at the RAF base at Ford in Sussex. She lived in the nearby town of Arundel. She had been asked to dance during the evening and after the dance her friends asked what it was like to dance with the young officer. My mother noted that he had danced a little stiffly and she only found out, after her friends laughed at her reply, that she had been dancing with Bader and that he had artificial legs!
I first met Sir Douglas Bader when l was a student at a boarding school called Clontarf Boy's Town.....here in Western Australia aged 14 yr's old, he never asked me if l would like to dance..... praise the Lord 🙏 !. But I asked him about his adventures as a fighter pilot and about one particular photograph about him sitting in a German Luftwaffe Me 109 with Adolf Galland standing out side talking with him and a certain German Luftwaffe officer standing there holding a luger on him without Sir Douglas Bader knowing......l commented to Sir Bader "why was this fool pointing a luger at you, where did that silly bugger think you was going with one of Herman Goring's toy's.....he laughed and laughed put is hand on my shoulder.....and replied buggered if l know !.....they must of been worried and didn't want to find out !
Gracias por compartir esta historia...la conocía pero no tan ampliamente. Sin dudas fue un hombre de honor y reconocido por sus adversarios de la mejor manera. Saludos desde Argentina.
I know I'm responding to this a little late, however I'm grateful you've included his story. In 1975 as an 8th grader, I noticed a book in the library with a picture of an airplane on the cover. I was fascinated, and though had never really read a full novel, I checked out "Reach for the Sky". I read the full book in short order and was mesmerized by entire story. It also had pictures. It's an excellent read! Highly recommended! Some of the elements, I recall from all those years back, was a picture of the plane crash site where he lost his legs. There was a caption underneath the photo spotlighting the shoes he wore, stating that was the last time shoes were ever taken off his feet... Also a key incident happened during the battle of Britain, when taking off, he failed to set the pitch control for his propeller from "Coarse" to "Fine". The plane he was flying crashed and was destroyed. Later, after recognizing his mistake in the cockpit, he noticed this crash left large dents and damage to his artificial legs... Chances are this would have injured his legs very badly as well, if they were not already replaced with prosthetics... An amazing story by an amazing person, Thanks for sharing it on RUclips, Best regards, Mo-
I read his autobiography in 1960. My dad was in the US Airforce and we were in England, my dad stationed at RAF Upper Heyford. My biggest regret is that I did not somehow take advantage of that place and time to visit one of the airshows where he appeared. That book telling how a double amputee refused to let it hold him back is something that was very important in my life at such a relatively early age .. acting as the impetus for my belief in seeing people with disabilities as no less than someone with out.
I'm a airline trasport pilot. I had an motorcycle accident 3 years ago, and unfortunately they amputee my left leg above the knee. My first impression was is over. But when I hear about Sir Douglas Bader everything change. I return to fly again and I drove a motorcoach Bus too.
I had the honour of meeting him in 1977 in Adelaide South Australia at a luncheon at Government House there. He signed my edition of the book but it has sadly been misplaced over the years. But at the time he was a hero of mine.
I met Sir Douglas in Darwin in 1978, I introduced the young lady I was with and his quip to me was I hope you dont mind if I dont stand up as I shook his hand.
Nicely done, guys, & the link to Bader's charity made it special. I was handed a copy of Reach For The Sky in early 1982. At the time I as in hospital after a motorcycle accident left me with both knees & both wrists broken, a broken shoulder & a significant lower back injury. At the time I was questioning the wisdom of continuing a life in a body shattered to this extent. Then "out of the blue" came the story of "Tin Legs Bader". Needless to say 40 plus years later my bum still points toward the ground due to a large part from the inspiration of Douglas Bader & his story Thanks again.
Douglas Bader has a street named after him in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Bader Crescent in Montgomery Place, Saskatoon. I grew up there and was aware of him and the leg being dropped for him. I never knew anything else about the man so you video on him was great and I enjoyed learning much more from your excellent video. thanks TJ3
The streets in Calgary, Bartow and McKnight, were named after the lads in Bader's 242 Sqn and they intersect just S of the airport. Bader was there as guest of honour for the opening ceremony.
I’m not at your level of RUclips presentation. I would consider it an honor if you looked at my first attempt. I know it’s too long. Search in RUclips “3 Days In May 1943”.
I love this guy. A gentleman and a badass. Gets on with the job, tells it like it is, not expecting sympathy. Today it seems people want sympathy because their coffee is cold.
He didn't deserve sympathy . He lost his legs in a crash that was entirely his own fault , destroying an aircraft that he didn't own . He regarded the RAF as a flying club and damaged or wrecked other service aircraft at a time when the nation needed every available fighter . He undermined the leadership of Fighter Command to promote his own ideas , later proved to be unworkable and actually stupid . He treated his subordinates with contempt including the man who spent years looking after him as a POW . Postwar , he was a vocal supporter of apartheid . In short, he was a wanker .
It seems little jimmytgoose is on a rampage to defame Bader. Young kiddies today are manipulated by the media to judge and slander historical people based on their twisted views of what freedom means.
Love this you have a great job of this iv studded Douglas Barder ever since my dad played the video to me at 10 I'm now 49 and still love you watch reach for the sky,also went to Duxford air show a few weeks ago so amazing I already don't to the DBF 🙏❤✌
Recent research indicates Bader was most likely shot down by "friendly fire". The Germans didn't loose any 109s to collision that day. A 616 sqdn pilot claimed a "109" shot down that doesn't match the German losses of the day, but matches the circumstances of Baders bail out.
Research by whom? Please don't say Saunders. His book is the worst I've ever read and is nothing but an opinion paper to support the BBC smear campaigns.
Recent research? I hope you're not referring to Saunders opinionized book. Worst WWII book ever, full of assumptions and with a definite agenda , a smear campaign.
I read his book "Reach For The Sky" shortly after blowing out my knee in high school football. It was a real inspiration to realize how much he accomplished as a double amputee. Just brilliant.
Douglas Bader Joined 242 squadron as its CO at RAF Coltishall in Norfolk, before they moved to Duxford. He kept the connection with RAF Coltishall after the war, and flew in regularly. I met him in 1973 when he flew in and visited the BBMF. He shook hands with all of us ground crew. At the time Hurricane LF363 carried his 242 squadron code, L ED . When the camp closed in 2005 the married quarters were sold off, they were renamed in his honour. Baders field.
He hated being given orders but it was a different thing altogether when it came to his subordinates. He expected discipline and instant obedience but wasn't so willing to give it himself . He was a bit of an arsehole, all things considered.
@@jimmytgoose476 A book I recently read about Colditz said how he was a hero and a bastard, both. Didn't hesitate to pull rank and his batman had a chance to be repatritated but Bader said no and the poor guy had to stay a prisoner until the end of the war.
You have to understand the context. The RAF doctrine in his days was written by that old WWI bugger, Trenchard, who was a clear proponent of attrition warfare and using pilots as cannon fodder. Bader's generation had to rewrite the doctrine and tactics as they went. There's an old expression in the military training world that still applies: Do you train for a war (based on history) or do you train for THE war (current war that's evolving). The latter means a fast feedback loop from operations to the training units & op training officers. So Bader was exactly right.
According to what I've read, and I have a book some where.The only reason he could still fly, was because he lost one leg above the knee and one leg below the knee. So he still had one working knee. And knee's are every thing.
I never met Bader. I read his book and saw the movie, and years later I met his niece, Virginia, and Adolf Galland at a small aviation art forum she was hosting at the Bolling AFB Officer's Club in D.C. I purchased a Spitfire print from Virginia (she had a gallery in Alexandria) which Galland signed for me. I told Galland I had orders to Germany, so he invited me to come visit him after I arrived. Regrettably, my orders were cancelled and I never got the opportunity to see him again. I still have the print he signed hanging over my bed. It reads "Please Herr Reichsmarschall, equip my wing with Spitifires - Adolf Galland". Did he ever really say this or was it a bit of historical fiction? The world may never know for certain, so I treat it as something that, if it isn't true, should have been. I'm leaving a great deal out of this short retelling of the story, including information on the character of both Galland and Bader. Each man has his supporters and detractors. I will say this much; I suspect if you spent any amount of time with either of them, you might go mad, but you would never be bored.
Adolf Galland certainly had a longer combat career than Bader. Especially when Galland made history using the Me 262 in combat in the last months of the war the only General to do so.
I had read in a book about Franz Stigler & Charlie Brown that Galland had did in fact say that after Goering asked Galland what he would need to further the mission of his unit against the Allied fighters. And apparently Goering didn’t have a sense of humor to appreciate Gallands response.
I am a disabled adult from the USA (autism, adhd, depression, anxiety disorder, and eoe) Douglas Bader is a personal hero of mine. edit a few weeks ago I discovered I don't have adhd and depression I instead have bi polar type 2 (I am 24 I was diagnosed with those in elementary school) those have a lot of overlap and are commonly misdiagnosed instead of bi polar so I am actually not upset at all with the diagnosis I see it as answering questions.
I recall from my references on RAF IIWW model building, mainly 1:72 scale, that Bader's Spitfire in particular was equipped as a Mk.Va and not as the usual Mk.Vb. Perhaps because as a fighter pilot, Bader was a pursuer. The difference is Mk.Vb = 2 X 20 mm. Orlikon + 4 X .303 in. Mk.Va = 8 X .303 in. These 8 machine guns were synchronized to a shorter distance where the salvo had the greatest effect. Best Regards Jan
If you read the incredible biography of Wing Commander Robert Stanford Tuck, Fly for your Life by Larry Forrester, it is mentioned that Bob and Douglas butted heads on the issue of 20mm cannons vs machine guns for aircraft armament.
Bader was greatly admired and respected by many German fighter pilots. The German pilots were fighting for a lost cause and towards the end of the war many had high kill rates because they flew until they were killed
He was universally detested by ground crew as he treated them like crap. He also had very little time for NCO pilots. I was unfortunate to meet him several times whilst an air cadet. When asked what trade I should join the RAF ( as could not be aircrew due to vision issues) he said that if you cannot be a pilot then you are a nobody. Sums him up. Arrogant to the core.
@@stepheneast6974 Yeah it’s really unfortunate he acted like an ass from what most people say. When so many other great WWII pilots were great gentlemen and really humble and approachable.
He also visited Australia with a built-in attitude that was unpleasant. Who knows what was the very key point that shaped his life to be regarded as arrogant? And yet he inspired so many and that must not be lost in any discussion about him.
if it hadnt have been Bader, they would have found some other quintessentially maverick Englishman to put on a pedestal. Let's not forget, he lost his legs larking about, not in combat. He swallowed up extra resources to continue being in operation. He was loathed by many contemporaries. If his uncle hadn't been connected to the Air Chief Marshall, who's to say where he might have ended up. God forbid.. ground crew. This informs us of his attitude and privilege .
My mum was a ward sister in a reconstructive surgery unit. They had a number of WW2 era patients who regularly came to visit new patients. They called themselves the Guinea Pigs. Bader was one of them.
Bader was extremely special. Tough and charismatic when the chips were down and rebuilt the morale of 242 Sqn in the BoB. He trained quite a number of lads that became good leaders.
What wasn’t mentioned was that Adolf Galland approached Reichs Marshal Herman Göering ( head of the German airforce) who arranged safe passage for an RAF bomber to deliver Bader’s prosthetic limb, HOWEVER on the return journey the aircraft bombed several enemy targets!
Photo of DB swinging his leg into a Spit is wrong, its a mark 9, which Bader never flew. I think this was repainted in his wing commanders initials (RAF tradition) just for the 1945 BoB fly past.
I had actually met Sir Douglas Bader twice and spoke to him very extensively, especially about the occasion when he had the cheek to ask Adolf Galland if he could take a Messerschmitt 109 for a test flight. In his book "Reach for the Sky" there is a photo of Sir Douglas Bader sitting in the German Fighter with Adolf Galland standing next to the cockpit talking, while another German Officer held a pistol pointing towards Sir Douglas Bader.....who told me he didn't know that was happening until he saw the photo after the war. I commented why and where did the German think you was going ? He replied l have no idea what the stupid fool was thinking, but by the look of it, not to bloody far......as we laughed about the photo. I had given him a drawing l had done of the old "242 squadron emblem of a RAF flying boot kicking Herr Hitler in the Ass !......he signed my drawing and had given to me.....though sadly lost many year's ago......as l was only a high school student when this accord back in 1975........l spoke to him on the second occasion later in that same year. Last of not claiming to be an expert on his life and military service.....but l have alway's been of the belief that Sir Douglas Bader shot down 22 Aerial Victory 's during W.W.2
Remember this pilot - when shot down and captured in a stalag something alas without HS legs the raf dropped a New Pair down in the camp where his was Held captive
@@jimmytgoose476 Some loved him, some loathed him, and there seems no doubt that he could be quite rude and unpleasant. Equally, far more examples exist, where people were inspired by his example, so overall, Bader touched far more people for the better than for worse. Which is why his name lives on. /
He got away with far too much stuff that would have had any other pilot grounded . He didn't realise that RAF aircraft were not his personal playthings to crash and bend as he pleased .
The collision did not happen, as discovered by a TV documentary a few years ago. British archives for the combat revealed Bader was brought down by friendly fire. The new 109F resembled the Spitfire from behind, because it had elongated wingtips and no tailplane struts. Bader was pursuing some fleeing 109s. An RAF pilot fired a longrange burst of 20mm cannon at what he thought was the rearmost 109. He saw the rear fuselage fly off and was awarded a kill. The Luftwaffe's records confirm no 109s were lost that day, and the fuselage breaking off is an unusual kill. This is definitely how Bader was shot down.
@@bobsakamanos4469 There was a TV documentary some years ago. I can't remember its title and I can't find it on RUclips. The documentary intended to uncover how Bader was brought down, and used aerial reconnaissance photos of that region of France, showing air crash craters. The intention was to dig out the wreck. Two sites were found. One site had since become a quarry and the wreck had long since disappeared. The other wreck dug out. Serial numbers were found, but it was the wrong Spitfire. Its pilot baled out and spent the rest of WW2 as a prisoner. The diggers found the his leather flying helmet, with the pilot's name still in it. The elderly pilot had died shortly before the crew started filming, but the helmet was handed over to his widow. The researchers went back to the RAF combat reports and discovered the truth. One RAF pilot claimed a kill. He'd pursued a group of fleeing 109s, fired from a great range and observed the entire tail unit detach from his target. The Luftwaffe's records confirm no German aircraft were lost that day. Therefore, the "109" could only have been Bader's Spitfire. If you're in the UK, keep an eye on Channel 4's schedules because one day it might be repeated.
@@raypurchase801 be very cautious about "documentaries" , especially by the BBC or the host of other manipulative networks. Saunders also worked for the BBC. They always have their agendas.
You overlooked the fact that the biplane Bader crashed in was a different aircraft to what he had been doing acrobatics in previously & this one was less forgiving & it was not possible to get away with manoeuvres that was possible in the earlier aircraft which was why his wing dipped & hit the ground.
You are wrong. The fighting wasnt heavy at Duxford. They were supposed to cover the airfields in the South of England as part of the "big wing" whilst the squadrons further South engaged the bandits from Germany
Perhaps Dowding should have brought down other aircraft from the north to cover airfields. With London under attack, the big wing was within range and made perfect sense. It was the biggest psy ops victory of the battle and saved the green replacement pilots, giving them a chance to be properly trained for combat.
Awesome video. Only negative a can give is... It's spelt Berkshire, but pronounced Barkshire. 😉 The royal Berkshire hospital also has a cabinet filled with memorabilia dedicated to sir Douglas Barder. It was believed he would not survive and would lose more than just his legs. And was because a nurse had told to noisy patients to "be quite. There's a dieing man in that room." That sir Douglas' stubbornness kicked and he recovered, and going on to do what he did.🙂
This is a "Boys Own" account of Bader which papers over controversial issues. Bader was a show-off, which was how he lost his legs. He got back into the RAF by knowing people in high places. He developed the "Big Wing" tactics during the Battle of Britain in co-operation with Trafford Leigh-Mallory of 10 Group. Mallory wanted Keith Parks job commanding 11 Group and the two of them, Bader and Mallory, made false claims about the Big Wings effectiveness, which through back room intrigue, led to Sir Hugh Dowding and Keith Park, the winners of the battle, being fired shortly after the end of the battle. After WW2 Bader outright lied when he insisted that the Big Wing was only supposed to have been implemented by 10 Group. This goes against documents from 1940 were Bader and Mallory wanted 11 Group to use the tactic and their complaints to the Air Ministry when it was not. On Bader's last flight 9-8-1941 he claimed he collided with a Bf109, this was another lie, he was almost certainly shot down by an aircraft from 616 Sqn RAF.
The Luftwaffe believed the RAF was defeated. Seeing 60 fighters come at them all at once, was a very, very nasty shock, and had an effect upon them far in excess of actual kills by the Big Wing. /
@@zen4men The problem was that by the time the Big Wing had formed, the Bombers had hit their target and the fighters gone home. It was Luftwaffe claims that were the problem, they said the RAF was destroyed, which was clearly not true and this destroyed German morale
@@billballbuster7186 "And this destroyed German morale" / Exactly! So in that alone, the Big Wing helped win the BoB. All other debate is therefore irrelevant. Simply by the Big Wing being seen in the air, the Luftwaffe knew it had lost.
There was an old British B&W movie about this man and his squadron . I only saw it once back in the late 60's . Does anyone know the name of that movie ?
New research suggests Bader was shot down by a rookie British pilot who mistaked him for a 109? Obviously Bader was taken by surprise by being fired on by a British plane so was too late to react! It was supposedly hushed up for 2 reasons, 1 to spare Baders and the rookie pilots blushes and 2 to keep Morale up!!
There are myriad stories of how Bader treated his underlings like trash. He could well have been shot down on purpose by his own man, I'm afraid to say.
@@jonbridge8064 Well I don't think an "ACE" would mistake a British plane for a German? This begs the question "Did he KNOW who he was shooting at"? Bader was badly liked by some pilots, was it a revenge shooting? Guess we will never know for sure??
@ 07:52 = It's accepted by some, that "Butch Casson" cut Bader's a/c in half An "inadvertent collision" , made , accidentally, in the heat of combat. I've heard it said that Bader "kept up the pretence" of being chopped by a '109 (By that, I mean what he related to others mainly whilst in P.o.W camp)
Bader was not very popular, in fact he was hated by his ground crew and compatriots in the prison camp, he even refused to allow his medically eligible batman to be repatriated from the German camp.
I have just finished the latest book on Colditz and Bader is shown to be an absolute bastard. He would always put himself before others and his treatment of Ross his lackey ( his words) is beyond contempt. To describe his character as complex would be an understatement indeed.
They didn't usually pass out under G forces in WWII. Vision becomes impaired, eventually you see nothing but 'black' but you are not unconscious. If you keep going, you can eventually pass out, but most references to 'black out' is the vision issue, not unconsciousness. The superb book on his life is "Reach For The Sky", by Paul Brickhill. I read it in the 60's as a kid. A fabulous read. It was (years later) decided that one his own people shot him down accidently thinking his Spitfire was a trailing 109F. I have heard that he was an arrogant type, especially when in Colditz. The actions and politics regarding the Big Wing showed he was wrong, which leaves distaste. Yet he did many good things post-war. The story is complicated. It is fair to say he was brave, courageous and never gave up or refused a challenge.
Everyone forgets that the Royal Navy wiped out the Nazi Destroyer Fleet in the Norway debacle. At no point was the Nazi regime in a position to invade UK, because the Royal Navy had the strength to sink any invasion fleet. The Nazis had to have control of the air to be able to sink the Royal Navy in the Chanel. Thus the credit for the Battle of Britain should in reality be credited in part by the RN. One thing has always puzzled me, why didn’t the RAF rotate pilots from the squadrons posted in the North and Scotland with the Home County squadrons during the BoB?
In the 70s they did a weekend long wargame excercise at Sandhurst with senior British and German officers to determine if the German invasion would have worked. The Home Fleet absolutely ruined the invasion and all involved said it was a clear German defeat. Even the Germans. I don't think it would have ever worked.
You're on the right track. Germany was never going to invade in 1940. Their strategic goal had always been the USSR for population expansion, resouces, especially oil. The Ural Bomber program was started in the mid 30's for that exact reason. Goering cancelled it in 1938.
@@bobsakamanos4469 Hi bobsakamanos, I seem to recall the Kriegsmarine building program until well after the invasion of France, was built upon NO POSSIBILTY of war with the West until 1949 at the earliest. The Nazi navy had FEWER than 39 seagoing U boats in September 1939. Doe it’s built his pre-war battle plans on a fleet of 400 U boats, which he planned to be built by 1950! Doenitz “hoped” he would win by deterrence, or, at worst, by a massive anti ship campaign driving the allies to the negotiation table. It’s foolish to think the thinkers in the Nazi navy didn’t appreciate the developments of aircraft, carriers, radar, sonar and, above all, the US industrial might. They did, the madmen of the Nazi Party didn’t.
What abut Hoppy Hopgood a Navy Pilot who also lost his legs in an Aircraft Collission not showing off like Bader but down to his trainer Hopgood also was shot down over Germany and put in a Prisoner Of War Campa ps I was told this by my father in law who was Flight Sargent repairing the fighters Mick Timson
That's Colin Hodgkinson, known as Hoppy Hodgkinson. Crashed during simulated night flying training. Almost identical leg damage to Bader. Went on to become an Member of Parliament after the war 👍
this is absolute rubbish. a sanitised version of events, he was actually shot down in a friendly fire incident. he was warned to get out of the way but didn't. he was viewed as an arrogant bastard by many pilots and by the pow medic who carried around colditz castle. bader would beat him to make him run faster up the steps to his room. when there was an amnesty for all medical people to be released and returned home, bader refused to allow his pow medic to leave him. why don't you actually do some real research on your subjects rather than recycling old internet crap. you could do a story on Johnny Johnson, he was a real gentleman of a pilot
@@bobsakamanos4469 it's not a smear campaign, i have read several books about the man and have discussed him with pilots from WW2 who flew with him or knew him personally.
@@jamesporter1123 and what about those who appreciated him for his leadership when the times were tough? You clearly didn't talk to them. Try to understand that those who fought to defend Britain in 1940 weren't the same as the green pilots who came along after to risk their lives in sweeps across France. Not the same motivation. I also suspect that Bader's demeanour was getting a little darker over time having lost so many lads, but never judge another man until you've walked in his shoes (or tin legs). Not all vets were/are benign and good tempered as your school teachers.
Historical notes - First, I literally watched Douglas Bader pronounce his own name and I tried to say it exactly like him, so no comments on that please lol. Next, obviously the biplane shown is a Sopwith Camel, but he was flying a Bulldog Mk II in his crash. Also, the twin engine bomber that he took down over the coast was a Do-17, but I have shown a Ju-88. (Have to make these adjustments with the limits of the flight sim I use). Also, some historians argue that he could have also been shot down by either German or an RAF plane as well. Thanks for watching guys! Hope you enjoy!
A wee note on the pronunciation (SORRY!) - you're saying it like him but he had an upper class British accent so it sounds weird when you don't have that as well. For a non-accented pronunciation according to the international phonetic alphabet (IPA) it would be /ˈbɑːdər/ with the ending like "lett*er*. As a prep school grad his accent was quite posh so the "Bahdah" is emblematic of that. Excellent presentation though and the pronunciation does nothing to detract from that!
Sorry again you might call me pedantic but the biplane you were flying (replicating the Hawker Bulldog) is not the Sopwith Camel but the Sopwith Dolphin, an inline engine modification based on the Camel airframe.
Night witches please tj3?!?!?
An excellent presentation. Thank you.
You don't make mention of it but I do believe that Bader went on to pilot private airliners for a small airline operated by Shell oil after his discharge from the Royal Air Force and did so for many years.
Reading the book, Reach for the Sky by Paul Brickhill gives a lot of details about his exploits and accident and the movie of the same name is faithful to the book and well worth watching if you can find it.
I had the privilege of showing it at boarding school in Northern Rhodesia in the late 1950's probably shortly after it's release. I was the projectionist and all of about 14 years of age.
I thought he was possibly shot down by Galland's wingman. Incidentally my Grandfather worked on his prosthetic legs during the war at Hangers, a prosthetics factory.
I am 69. When I was a young boy (I guess 7 years old) Douglas Bader came to my school and gave us a talk about his wartime exploits and experiences - I can't remember anything about it other than that I thought he was a very special man.
Something you will remember for a life time. I’m only one year older and I wish I could have been there. Check out John Lucky Luckadoo presentation. If you have the time check mine as well RUclips search “3 Days In May 1943”.
Who else can say they was in contact with a man whos became legend.
I read Douglas Bader's book many years ago, when I was in high school. He has always been one of my hero's.
Do you know how he treated people ? Or that he was a vocal supporter of apartheid ?
@@jimmytgoose476 A wise man, my father-in-law actually, told me once, "His sins are no worse than mine." See John 8:7
Your point ?
@@richardjohnson4238 ignore the kiddies who confuse their freedom with over-entitlement. Bader was a great leader and inspired toughness in pilots.
Your request for the viewers to support the Douglas Baudder(sp), foundation had a huge positive impact upon me. Not only am I an amputee, but I have two other different kinds of very serious injuries from the same accident.
Much appreciation for your act of generosity.
God-Speed, my friend
So glad to hear that! Thanks for watching!
@@TJ3 It was a very classy thing to do. 🙂
The chivalry and respect shown by Luftwaffe towards Bader is admirable.
They recognised a fellow fascist 😃
Pity we didn’t reciprocate - What wasn’t mentioned was that Adolf Galland approached Reichs Marshal Herman Göering, who arranged safe passage for an RAF bomber to deliver Bader’s prosthetic limb, HOWEVER on the return journey the aircraft bombed several enemy targets!
@@jimmytgoose476 you've no clue.
You did a great job of telling this story through the visuals and the dialogue. Very well made. I think Sir Bader would be proud.
My all time favourite pilot, because of his disabilities he would never give up. Such a brave man.
My 2nd favourite pilot after Captain Albert Ball VC, DSO Two Bars, MC
I have had met Sir Douglas Bader 3 time's....the first time is when he came to" Clontarf Boy's Town, a boarding School, when l was a student their in 1975.
When l spoke extensively to him, as l was requested the task of showing him around the school ( because I wouldn't shut up talking to him) and gave him a picture l had drawn of the 242 squadron motif of a flying boot kicking Hitler in the ass.......he signed it and gave it back to me !
The Second time was at the Perth entertainment centre that same year, were he told the audience about his many exploit's, were a honour ceremony was put on for him, and l was amongst that guard, as l was lucky to be a RAAF cadet.....with my two brother's who were also cadet's.
My Mum always spoke of the time she met Douglas Bader at a mess dinner at the RAF base at Ford in Sussex. She lived in the nearby town of Arundel. She had been asked to dance during the evening and after the dance her friends asked what it was like to dance with the young officer. My mother noted that he had danced a little stiffly and she only found out, after her friends laughed at her reply, that she had been dancing with Bader and that he had artificial legs!
I first met Sir Douglas Bader when l was a student at a boarding school called Clontarf Boy's Town.....here in Western Australia aged 14 yr's old, he never asked me if l would like to dance..... praise the Lord 🙏 !.
But I asked him about his adventures as a fighter pilot and about one particular photograph about him sitting in a German Luftwaffe Me 109 with Adolf Galland standing out side talking with him and a certain German Luftwaffe officer standing there holding a luger on him without Sir Douglas Bader knowing......l commented to Sir Bader "why was this fool pointing a luger at you, where did that silly bugger think you was going with one of Herman Goring's toy's.....he laughed and laughed put is hand on my shoulder.....and replied buggered if l know !.....they must of been worried and didn't want to find out !
Gracias por compartir esta historia...la conocía pero no tan ampliamente. Sin dudas fue un hombre de honor y reconocido por sus adversarios de la mejor manera. Saludos desde Argentina.
That was great man. I really like these little documentaries Brother, keep up the great deeds. Ooh Rah!
I know I'm responding to this a little late, however I'm grateful you've included his story.
In 1975 as an 8th grader, I noticed a book in the library with a picture of an airplane on the cover. I was fascinated, and though had never really read a full novel, I checked out "Reach for the Sky".
I read the full book in short order and was mesmerized by entire story. It also had pictures. It's an excellent read! Highly recommended!
Some of the elements, I recall from all those years back, was a picture of the plane crash site where he lost his legs. There was a caption underneath the photo spotlighting the shoes he wore, stating that was the last time shoes were ever taken off his feet...
Also a key incident happened during the battle of Britain, when taking off, he failed to set the pitch control for his propeller from "Coarse" to "Fine". The plane he was flying crashed and was destroyed. Later, after recognizing his mistake in the cockpit, he noticed this crash left large dents and damage to his artificial legs... Chances are this would have injured his legs very badly as well, if they were not already replaced with prosthetics...
An amazing story by an amazing person,
Thanks for sharing it on RUclips,
Best regards,
Mo-
I had the same experience in about '77, I have never been so captivated and inspired by a book since.
Read that book a dozen times. Fascinating stuff. Bader really epitomized the stiff upper lip, dogged patriotism of his generation. Genuine hero.
I read his autobiography in 1960. My dad was in the US Airforce and we were in England, my dad stationed at RAF Upper Heyford. My biggest regret is that I did not somehow take advantage of that place and time to visit one of the airshows where he appeared. That book telling how a double amputee refused to let it hold him back is something that was very important in my life at such a relatively early age .. acting as the impetus for my belief in seeing people with disabilities as no less than someone with out.
Damn ! What a story ! This channel is dramatically underrated =)
I'm a airline trasport pilot. I had an motorcycle accident 3 years ago, and unfortunately they amputee my left leg above the knee. My first impression was is over. But when I hear about Sir Douglas Bader everything change. I return to fly again and I drove a motorcoach Bus too.
Well done!
Good that Bader inspired you.
He has inspired many people.
Good show!
I had the honour of meeting him in 1977 in Adelaide South Australia at a luncheon at Government House there. He signed my edition of the book but it has sadly been misplaced over the years. But at the time he was a hero of mine.
Found your site today. I am over 60 and disabled. Met the man in about 1965 or so when he visited my school p
He was a family friend of mine on my dads side, my great grandpa (my grans dad) played golf with him often
I met Sir Douglas in Darwin in 1978, I introduced the young lady I was with and his quip to me was I hope you dont mind if I dont stand up as I shook his hand.
Awesome story .. Fighter pilots are a different breed.... Love these little docs its like watching new episodes of dogfights my favorite show ever...
Nicely done, guys, & the link to Bader's charity made it special. I was handed a copy of Reach For The Sky in early 1982. At the time I as in hospital after a motorcycle accident left me with both knees & both wrists broken, a broken shoulder & a significant lower back injury. At the time I was questioning the wisdom of continuing a life in a body shattered to this extent. Then "out of the blue" came the story of "Tin Legs Bader". Needless to say 40 plus years later my bum still points toward the ground due to a large part from the inspiration of Douglas Bader & his story Thanks again.
Douglas Bader has a street named after him in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Bader Crescent in Montgomery Place, Saskatoon. I grew up there and was aware of him and the leg being dropped for him. I never knew anything else about the man so you video on him was great and I enjoyed learning much more from your excellent video. thanks TJ3
The streets in Calgary, Bartow and McKnight, were named after the lads in Bader's 242 Sqn and they intersect just S of the airport. Bader was there as guest of honour for the opening ceremony.
I knew this story but you proved me wrong. His work after the war I did not know. Thank you once again. Great presentation great man.
I’m not at your level of RUclips presentation. I would consider it an honor if you looked at my first attempt. I know it’s too long. Search in RUclips “3 Days In May 1943”.
A great underminer of Fighter Command and a great supporter of apartheid.
@@jimmytgoose476 so says a kiddie without an education.
Thank you this was well done
Outstanding, thank you.
I love this guy. A gentleman and a badass. Gets on with the job, tells it like it is, not expecting sympathy. Today it seems people want sympathy because their coffee is cold.
He didn't deserve sympathy . He lost his legs in a crash that was entirely his own fault , destroying an aircraft that he didn't own . He regarded the RAF as a flying club and damaged or wrecked other service aircraft at a time when the nation needed every available fighter . He undermined the leadership of Fighter Command to promote his own ideas , later proved to be unworkable and actually stupid . He treated his subordinates with contempt including the man who spent years looking after him as a POW . Postwar , he was a vocal supporter of apartheid .
In short, he was a wanker .
@@jimmytgoose476 Bit like yourself then.
@Timothy M grow up or blow up . I can work with either .
@@jimmytgoose476i 100% agree with this. Most of the people who flew or worked in the RAF with him hated him
It seems little jimmytgoose is on a rampage to defame Bader. Young kiddies today are manipulated by the media to judge and slander historical people based on their twisted views of what freedom means.
Love this you have a great job of this iv studded Douglas Barder ever since my dad played the video to me at 10 I'm now 49 and still love you watch reach for the sky,also went to Duxford air show a few weeks ago so amazing I already don't to the DBF 🙏❤✌
that was a great docu. never knew about hero of Britain. Thanks for sharing.
Recent research indicates Bader was most likely shot down by "friendly fire". The Germans didn't loose any 109s to collision that day. A 616 sqdn pilot claimed a "109" shot down that doesn't match the German losses of the day, but matches the circumstances of Baders bail out.
The more i learned about Bader the more i could believe he was deliberately shot down by another Spitfire .
@@jimmytgoose476 And if he wasn't, he should have been.
Research by whom? Please don't say Saunders. His book is the worst I've ever read and is nothing but an opinion paper to support the BBC smear campaigns.
Recent research? I hope you're not referring to Saunders opinionized book. Worst WWII book ever, full of assumptions and with a definite agenda , a smear campaign.
I read his book "Reach For The Sky" shortly after blowing out my knee in high school football. It was a real inspiration to realize how much he accomplished as a double amputee. Just brilliant.
Why ?
And after watching this a "This Is Your Life" episode about Sir Bader came up . And it was absolutely amazing!
Douglas Bader Joined 242 squadron as its CO at RAF Coltishall in Norfolk, before they moved to Duxford. He kept the connection with RAF Coltishall after the war, and flew in regularly. I met him in 1973 when he flew in and visited the BBMF. He shook hands with all of us ground crew. At the time Hurricane LF363 carried his 242 squadron code, L ED . When the camp closed in 2005 the married quarters were sold off, they were renamed in his honour. Baders field.
Sir Badass Bader lord of the skies.
I like his attitude to authority. "Rules are made for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men. I'm neither."
He hated being given orders but it was a different thing altogether when it came to his subordinates. He expected discipline and instant obedience but wasn't so willing to give it himself .
He was a bit of an arsehole, all things considered.
@@jimmytgoose476 A book I recently read about Colditz said how he was a hero and a bastard, both. Didn't hesitate to pull rank and his batman had a chance to be repatritated but Bader said no and the poor guy had to stay a prisoner until the end of the war.
You have to understand the context. The RAF doctrine in his days was written by that old WWI bugger, Trenchard, who was a clear proponent of attrition warfare and using pilots as cannon fodder. Bader's generation had to rewrite the doctrine and tactics as they went.
There's an old expression in the military training world that still applies: Do you train for a war (based on history) or do you train for THE war (current war that's evolving). The latter means a fast feedback loop from operations to the training units & op training officers.
So Bader was exactly right.
@@jimmytgoose476 jimmy the paid journalist on his smear campaign. A boy without a clue.
Nice video and Douglas's story is well told. Nice touch adding the foundation on at the end. 👍🏻
According to what I've read, and I have a book some where.The only reason he could still fly, was because he lost one leg above the knee and one leg below the knee. So he still had one working knee. And knee's are every thing.
I never met Bader. I read his book and saw the movie, and years later I met his niece, Virginia, and Adolf Galland at a small aviation art forum she was hosting at the Bolling AFB Officer's Club in D.C. I purchased a Spitfire print from Virginia (she had a gallery in Alexandria) which Galland signed for me. I told Galland I had orders to Germany, so he invited me to come visit him after I arrived. Regrettably, my orders were cancelled and I never got the opportunity to see him again. I still have the print he signed hanging over my bed. It reads "Please Herr Reichsmarschall, equip my wing with Spitifires - Adolf Galland". Did he ever really say this or was it a bit of historical fiction? The world may never know for certain, so I treat it as something that, if it isn't true, should have been.
I'm leaving a great deal out of this short retelling of the story, including information on the character of both Galland and Bader. Each man has his supporters and detractors. I will say this much; I suspect if you spent any amount of time with either of them, you might go mad, but you would never be bored.
Adolf Galland certainly had a longer combat career than Bader. Especially when Galland made history using the Me 262 in combat in the last months of the war the only General to do so.
I had read in a book about Franz Stigler & Charlie Brown that Galland had did in fact say that after Goering asked Galland what he would need to further the mission of his unit against the Allied fighters. And apparently Goering didn’t have a sense of humor to appreciate Gallands response.
@@tieroneactual2228 True enough, and Galland certainly never said, 'give me a sqn of Hurricanes'... LOL
I am a disabled adult from the USA (autism, adhd, depression, anxiety disorder, and eoe) Douglas Bader is a personal hero of mine. edit a few weeks ago I discovered I don't have adhd and depression I instead have bi polar type 2 (I am 24 I was diagnosed with those in elementary school) those have a lot of overlap and are commonly misdiagnosed instead of bi polar so I am actually not upset at all with the diagnosis I see it as answering questions.
Very cool!
"Experts" spew out labels.
What matters
is your response
to the challenges you face
due to the cards Life deals you.
/
I recall from my references on RAF IIWW model building, mainly 1:72 scale, that Bader's Spitfire in particular was equipped as a Mk.Va and not as the usual Mk.Vb. Perhaps because as a fighter pilot, Bader was a pursuer. The difference is Mk.Vb = 2 X 20 mm. Orlikon + 4 X .303 in. Mk.Va = 8 X .303 in. These 8 machine guns were synchronized to a shorter distance where the salvo had the greatest effect. Best Regards Jan
I believe that is correct, and that he was against the cannons.
If you read the incredible biography of Wing Commander Robert Stanford Tuck, Fly for your Life by Larry Forrester, it is mentioned that Bob and Douglas butted heads on the issue of 20mm cannons vs machine guns for aircraft armament.
Great vídeo !!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Wonderful job putting this together! Bravo!
Saw the movie Reach for the Sky, have the book that I am reading the book again and this man was truly phenomenal. thanks for this insight as well.
The film was fiction.
Bader was greatly admired and respected by many German fighter pilots. The German pilots were fighting for a lost cause and towards the end of the war many had high kill rates because they flew until they were killed
i heard that British ground crew detested Bader
He was universally detested by ground crew as he treated them like crap. He also had very little time for NCO pilots. I was unfortunate to meet him several times whilst an air cadet. When asked what trade I should join the RAF ( as could not be aircrew due to vision issues) he said that if you cannot be a pilot then you are a nobody. Sums him up. Arrogant to the core.
@@stepheneast6974 Yeah it’s really unfortunate he acted like an ass from what most people say. When so many other great WWII pilots were great gentlemen and really humble and approachable.
He also visited Australia with a built-in attitude that was unpleasant. Who knows what was the very key point that shaped his life to be regarded as arrogant? And yet he inspired so many and that must not be lost in any discussion about him.
if it hadnt have been Bader, they would have found some other quintessentially maverick Englishman to put on a pedestal. Let's not forget, he lost his legs larking about, not in combat. He swallowed up extra resources to continue being in operation. He was loathed by many contemporaries. If his uncle hadn't been connected to the Air Chief Marshall, who's to say where he might have ended up. God forbid.. ground crew. This informs us of his attitude and privilege .
My mum was a ward sister in a reconstructive surgery unit. They had a number of WW2 era patients who regularly came to visit new patients. They called themselves the Guinea Pigs. Bader was one of them.
Watching Reach for the Sky on RUclips brought me here. The British actor Kenneth More is one of my all time favorites.
Really good!!! Thanks!
My uncle was imprisoned in Colditz castle with Bader
Danke!
Bader was extremely special. Tough and charismatic when the chips were down and rebuilt the morale of 242 Sqn in the BoB. He trained quite a number of lads that became good leaders.
He was a bad pilot and a very bad leader.
@@MarkHarrison733 LOL, run along child. This forum is for adults and military people.
Prosthetic, I know how difficult it is to come back with prosthetics, since I too am an amputee.
What wasn’t mentioned was that Adolf Galland approached Reichs Marshal Herman Göering ( head of the German airforce) who arranged safe passage for an RAF bomber to deliver Bader’s prosthetic limb, HOWEVER on the return journey the aircraft bombed several enemy targets!
My memory
was that the RAF were offered safe passage
at an agreed time,
but arrived unannounced,
dropping bombs as well as legs.
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Love the channel. Use the words 'but' and 'so' more than needed
Bless you mister
Excellent video
@lifewiththelanes This WW2 ace made me think of you and your story.
A wonderful video. Great job.
You do a great job with your limited tools, keep it up please.
My boyhood hero!
Well done.
There's a street not far away from me called "Bader Walk". Someone had a sick sense of humour when they came up with that.
🤣🤣🤣 brilliant
My dad gave me his book reach for the sky. It was given to hime by his father. It helped me to not give up. No matter what
One of my favorite hero’s!
An amazing person to be sure. However, he was extremely rude & arrogant at the same time.
@@bradwilliams1691 so was Neil Armstrong. Yet he’s still one of my hero’s.
A friend of mine met Neil Armstrong and said he was friendly and charming .
Good solid work 🙏
Photo of DB swinging his leg into a Spit is wrong, its a mark 9, which Bader never flew. I think this was repainted in his wing commanders initials (RAF tradition) just for the 1945 BoB fly past.
GOOG ONE matey. 🇬🇧
How strange i have just finishes reading Reach for the Sky to be recommended this
I like D Bader his is my favourite pilot in world 2,,,,,,,,,,
Why ?
I had actually met Sir Douglas Bader twice and spoke to him very extensively, especially about the occasion when he had the cheek to ask Adolf Galland if he could take a Messerschmitt 109 for a test flight.
In his book "Reach for the Sky" there is a photo of Sir Douglas Bader sitting in the German Fighter with Adolf Galland standing next to the cockpit talking, while another German Officer held a pistol pointing towards Sir Douglas Bader.....who told me he didn't know that was happening until he saw the photo after the war.
I commented why and where did the German think you was going ?
He replied l have no idea what the stupid fool was thinking, but by the look of it, not to bloody far......as we laughed about the photo.
I had given him a drawing l had done of the old "242 squadron emblem of a RAF flying boot kicking Herr Hitler in the Ass !......he signed my drawing and had given to me.....though sadly lost many year's ago......as l was only a high school student when this accord back in 1975........l spoke to him on the second occasion later in that same year.
Last of not claiming to be an expert on his life and military service.....but l have alway's been of the belief that Sir Douglas Bader shot down 22 Aerial Victory 's during W.W.2
Remember this pilot - when shot down and captured in a stalag something alas without HS legs the raf dropped a New Pair down in the camp where his was Held captive
A brave but complex man
Complex as a euphemism for thoroughly unpleasant...
Are'nt we all!
@@jimmytgoose476
Some loved him,
some loathed him,
and there seems no doubt
that he could be quite rude and unpleasant.
Equally,
far more examples exist,
where people were inspired by his example,
so overall,
Bader touched far more people for the better
than for worse.
Which is why his name lives on.
/
That's back when gentlemen were gentlemen!
The very last thing Bader was was a gentleman ; he was thoroughly unpleasant.
@@jimmytgoose476 Every one knew he was crazy to some extent, but that was needed at that time . He showed up in Spades 😄
He got away with far too much stuff that would have had any other pilot grounded . He didn't realise that RAF aircraft were not his personal playthings to crash and bend as he pleased .
@@jimmytgoose476 He exposed the weeknesst of the tools given to him! Ground this chap? Tripe 🤙
The weakness of the Spitfire ?Have you suffered a head injury ?
My friend and colleague Mike Whelan aka metal mikey played a round of golf with Douglas Bader
The collision did not happen, as discovered by a TV documentary a few years ago. British archives for the combat revealed Bader was brought down by friendly fire. The new 109F resembled the Spitfire from behind, because it had elongated wingtips and no tailplane struts. Bader was pursuing some fleeing 109s. An RAF pilot fired a longrange burst of 20mm cannon at what he thought was the rearmost 109. He saw the rear fuselage fly off and was awarded a kill. The Luftwaffe's records confirm no 109s were lost that day, and the fuselage breaking off is an unusual kill. This is definitely how Bader was shot down.
Or maybe some pilot saw the perfect chance to get rid of the horrible sod ...
nonsense. What's your reference, and don't say Saunders. His book is useless drivel and assumptions.
@@jimmytgoose476 your smear campaign is immature and rediculous.
@@bobsakamanos4469 There was a TV documentary some years ago. I can't remember its title and I can't find it on RUclips. The documentary intended to uncover how Bader was brought down, and used aerial reconnaissance photos of that region of France, showing air crash craters. The intention was to dig out the wreck.
Two sites were found. One site had since become a quarry and the wreck had long since disappeared. The other wreck dug out. Serial numbers were found, but it was the wrong Spitfire.
Its pilot baled out and spent the rest of WW2 as a prisoner. The diggers found the his leather flying helmet, with the pilot's name still in it. The elderly pilot had died shortly before the crew started filming, but the helmet was handed over to his widow.
The researchers went back to the RAF combat reports and discovered the truth. One RAF pilot claimed a kill. He'd pursued a group of fleeing 109s, fired from a great range and observed the entire tail unit detach from his target.
The Luftwaffe's records confirm no German aircraft were lost that day. Therefore, the "109" could only have been Bader's Spitfire.
If you're in the UK, keep an eye on Channel 4's schedules because one day it might be repeated.
@@raypurchase801 be very cautious about "documentaries" , especially by the BBC or the host of other manipulative networks. Saunders also worked for the BBC. They always have their agendas.
You overlooked the fact that the biplane Bader crashed in was a different aircraft to what he had been doing acrobatics in previously & this one was less forgiving & it was not possible to get away with manoeuvres that was possible in the earlier aircraft which was why his wing dipped & hit the ground.
He shouldn't have been flying it in such a manner.
Truly, the greatest generation. And the greatest WWII aviation series to boot.
You are wrong. The fighting wasnt heavy at Duxford. They were supposed to cover the airfields in the South of England as part of the "big wing" whilst the squadrons further South engaged the bandits from Germany
Perhaps Dowding should have brought down other aircraft from the north to cover airfields. With London under attack, the big wing was within range and made perfect sense. It was the biggest psy ops victory of the battle and saved the green replacement pilots, giving them a chance to be properly trained for combat.
Awesome video. Only negative a can give is... It's spelt Berkshire, but pronounced Barkshire. 😉
The royal Berkshire hospital also has a cabinet filled with memorabilia dedicated to sir Douglas Barder. It was believed he would not survive and would lose more than just his legs. And was because a nurse had told to noisy patients to "be quite. There's a dieing man in that room." That sir Douglas' stubbornness kicked and he recovered, and going on to do what he did.🙂
Not to good at the old language yourself I see....
This is a "Boys Own" account of Bader which papers over controversial issues. Bader was a show-off, which was how he lost his legs. He got back into the RAF by knowing people in high places. He developed the "Big Wing" tactics during the Battle of Britain in co-operation with Trafford Leigh-Mallory of 10 Group. Mallory wanted Keith Parks job commanding 11 Group and the two of them, Bader and Mallory, made false claims about the Big Wings effectiveness, which through back room intrigue, led to Sir Hugh Dowding and Keith Park, the winners of the battle, being fired shortly after the end of the battle. After WW2 Bader outright lied when he insisted that the Big Wing was only supposed to have been implemented by 10 Group. This goes against documents from 1940 were Bader and Mallory wanted 11 Group to use the tactic and their complaints to the Air Ministry when it was not. On Bader's last flight 9-8-1941 he claimed he collided with a Bf109, this was another lie, he was almost certainly shot down by an aircraft from 616 Sqn RAF.
According to Adolf Galland Bader was definitely shot down by a Sergeant Luftwaffe pilot.
The Luftwaffe believed the RAF was defeated.
Seeing 60 fighters come at them all at once,
was a very, very nasty shock,
and had an effect upon them
far in excess of actual kills by the Big Wing.
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@@zen4men The problem was that by the time the Big Wing had formed, the Bombers had hit their target and the fighters gone home. It was Luftwaffe claims that were the problem, they said the RAF was destroyed, which was clearly not true and this destroyed German morale
@@billballbuster7186
"And this destroyed German morale"
/
Exactly!
So in that alone,
the Big Wing helped win the BoB.
All other debate
is therefore irrelevant.
Simply by the Big Wing being seen in the air,
the Luftwaffe knew it had lost.
you are so misinformed.
There was an old British B&W movie about this man and his squadron . I only saw it once back in the late 60's . Does anyone know the name of that movie ?
Reach for the sky
When Bader and his wife saw it a few years after it was made he thought it was awful
You can watch it on utube
@@stevebarley8413 Thanks Steve , I havn't seen it since the 60's .
No problem John
New research suggests Bader was shot down by a rookie British pilot who mistaked him for a 109? Obviously Bader was taken by surprise by being fired on by a British plane so was too late to react! It was supposedly hushed up for 2 reasons, 1 to spare Baders and the rookie pilots blushes and 2 to keep Morale up!!
There are myriad stories of how Bader treated his underlings like trash. He could well have been shot down on purpose by his own man, I'm afraid to say.
Research suggests that it was Lionel "Buck" Casson, a 616 sqdn ace, who shot Bader down.
@@jonbridge8064 Well I don't think an "ACE" would mistake a British plane for a German? This begs the question "Did he KNOW who he was shooting at"? Bader was badly liked by some pilots, was it a revenge shooting? Guess we will never know for sure??
Who's research. You're not quoting Saunders I hope. Pure drivel.
4:38 the bf 109 just goes spinning
@ 07:52 = It's accepted by some, that "Butch Casson" cut Bader's a/c in half
An "inadvertent collision" , made , accidentally, in the heat of combat.
I've heard it said that Bader "kept up the pretence" of being chopped by a '109
(By that, I mean what he related to others mainly whilst in P.o.W camp)
Quite one of the most unpleasant men that I have ever met.
'REACH FOR THE SKY' - 😘🥰😍🤗
Bader was not very popular, in fact he was hated by his ground crew and compatriots in the prison camp, he even refused to allow his medically eligible batman to be repatriated from the German camp.
Yes, I saw the interview his batman gave, Bader came across as a bully.
I have just finished the latest book on Colditz and Bader is shown to be an absolute bastard. He would always put himself before others and his treatment of Ross his lackey ( his words) is beyond contempt. To describe his character as complex would be an understatement indeed.
Blatantly false. Stop with the smear campaign and do a little research without bias, son.
They didn't usually pass out under G forces in WWII. Vision becomes impaired, eventually you see nothing but 'black' but you are not unconscious. If you keep going, you can eventually pass out, but most references to 'black out' is the vision issue, not unconsciousness. The superb book on his life is "Reach For The Sky", by Paul Brickhill. I read it in the 60's as a kid. A fabulous read. It was (years later) decided that one his own people shot him down accidently thinking his Spitfire was a trailing 109F. I have heard that he was an arrogant type, especially when in Colditz. The actions and politics regarding the Big Wing showed he was wrong, which leaves distaste. Yet he did many good things post-war. The story is complicated. It is fair to say he was brave, courageous and never gave up or refused a challenge.
Contrary to popular belief Bader didn't totally lose both legs. He lost one below the knee and one above the knee.
I have both of my legs and I dance like a stone elephant and he flew combat aircraft in combat!
He may have been a good pilot, but a horrible human being who treated others like dirt.
He was a bad pilot.
Good pilots don't lose their legs showing off .
Another smear campaign from someone with feelings of inadequacy.
Night witches please tj3?
this vidéo is butibul
Everyone forgets that the Royal Navy wiped out the Nazi Destroyer Fleet in the Norway debacle. At no point was the Nazi regime in a position to invade UK, because the Royal Navy had the strength to sink any invasion fleet. The Nazis had to have control of the air to be able to sink the Royal Navy in the Chanel. Thus the credit for the Battle of Britain should in reality be credited in part by the RN. One thing has always puzzled me, why didn’t the RAF rotate pilots from the squadrons posted in the North and Scotland with the Home County squadrons during the BoB?
Short answer............They did! But they did it with the whole squadron, not individual pilots.
@@nicksykes4575 I didn’t know that, I’ll have to check it out.
In the 70s they did a weekend long wargame excercise at Sandhurst with senior British and German officers to determine if the German invasion would have worked. The Home Fleet absolutely ruined the invasion and all involved said it was a clear German defeat. Even the Germans. I don't think it would have ever worked.
You're on the right track. Germany was never going to invade in 1940. Their strategic goal had always been the USSR for population expansion, resouces, especially oil. The Ural Bomber program was started in the mid 30's for that exact reason. Goering cancelled it in 1938.
@@bobsakamanos4469 Hi bobsakamanos, I seem to recall the Kriegsmarine building program until well after the invasion of France, was built upon NO POSSIBILTY of war with the West until 1949 at the earliest. The Nazi navy had FEWER than 39 seagoing U boats in September 1939. Doe it’s built his pre-war battle plans on a fleet of 400 U boats, which he planned to be built by 1950! Doenitz “hoped” he would win by deterrence, or, at worst, by a massive anti ship campaign driving the allies to the negotiation table. It’s foolish to think the thinkers in the Nazi navy didn’t appreciate the developments of aircraft, carriers, radar, sonar and, above all, the US industrial might. They did, the madmen of the Nazi Party didn’t.
But who shot him down?
Alright guys the evidence speaks for itself..
Everyone start amputating the legs of your fighter pilots so they can withstand more Gs!
What abut Hoppy Hopgood a Navy Pilot who also lost his legs in an Aircraft Collission not showing off like Bader but down to his trainer Hopgood also was shot down over Germany and put in a Prisoner Of War Campa ps I was told this by my father in law who was Flight Sargent repairing the fighters Mick Timson
That's Colin Hodgkinson, known as Hoppy Hodgkinson. Crashed during simulated night flying training. Almost identical leg damage to Bader. Went on to become an Member of Parliament after the war 👍
I hope I'm not the only one that thought it was Dwight Schrute, lol!
Galland, the German butcher , didn't reach to Bader's ankles
How could he ? Surgical waste is always incinerated .
this is absolute rubbish. a sanitised version of events, he was actually shot down in a friendly fire incident. he was warned to get out of the way but didn't.
he was viewed as an arrogant bastard by many pilots and by the pow medic who carried around colditz castle. bader would beat him to make him run faster up the steps to his room. when there was an amnesty for all medical people to be released and returned home, bader refused to allow his pow medic to leave him.
why don't you actually do some real research on your subjects rather than recycling old internet crap.
you could do a story on Johnny Johnson, he was a real gentleman of a pilot
nice little smear campaign, son.
@@bobsakamanos4469 it's not a smear campaign, i have read several books about the man and have discussed him with pilots from WW2 who flew with him or knew him personally.
@@jamesporter1123 and what about those who appreciated him for his leadership when the times were tough? You clearly didn't talk to them.
Try to understand that those who fought to defend Britain in 1940 weren't the same as the green pilots who came along after to risk their lives in sweeps across France. Not the same motivation.
I also suspect that Bader's demeanour was getting a little darker over time having lost so many lads, but never judge another man until you've walked in his shoes (or tin legs). Not all vets were/are benign and good tempered as your school teachers.
my mistake charles edward
Man... He using no G force cheat
Well