I had a friend playing with Golos, Yarok, Chulane, and Right now he is not longer my friend, I play precon decks, those decks are very fun but I don't like to compete becuase this format is too expensive even if your deck is not cedh.
I felt the same. I loved his art and the way he looked. I built the deck and maybe it ended up as a borderline CEDH deck (probably about a 9) and can really only pull it out when I play with certain people.
Yeah built him to sacrifice something and make everybody else to sacrifice something, they hated me so much, so i have rebuild him into sacing my own lands and landfall deck and its very strong as well, but they dont hate me too much.
As a new mtg player that’s growing to love mtg, edh, and invest more into it, thanks for being so enlightening, sharing your opinions and being diverse! I love that you two aren’t afraid to differ in your opinion and express them!
I can't believe you did my boy Arcades dirty like that! He doesn't just rely solely on combat at all; yeah, he makes it very easy to go aggro, (and really what other aggro deck gives you a bunch of 4/4s and 6/6s for 1-2 mana that replace themselves?) but he lends himself real well to combos as well, and the best part is that, by and large, you're comboing off with the SAME cards you're going aggro with, which gives you a unique ability to pivot between aggro and combo that few decks outside of maybe Krenko can provide. They're not just the same combos you get in any other deck, either: What other deck is going infinite with Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement? And while plenty of other decks can go infinite with bounce/flicker shenanigans, how many are doing it with the aforementioned 1-2 cost 6/6es that ALSO draw you a card? And the sheer number of asymmetric board wipes? Chef's kiss. He basically epitomizes everything you said you liked about other commanders; Feather is S-tier because she lets you play with cards that no other commander does? Well, so does Arcades! You like cards that provide a powerful effect, but have some weakness that you need to work around? Well, your reliance on protecting Arcades is totally that weakness! Arcades may not be the #1 commander on EDHRec, but he's #1 in my heart. Arcades: You are my wonderwall.
I’m surprised Syr Gwyn is that high. I think it’s a great card (partially because I love aggro and Marcy) but I thought it would not be quite high enough to make this tier list. Good job Gwyn you keep on crushing it.
@@VexylObby Welcome to tribal decks, my friend. There’s only so many ways to build even the most popular of tribes; Elves, Goblins, Merfolk, Dragons, and yes Knights - all extremely predictable decks. Does that make them bad or unfun? That’s simply a matter of opinion.
Its the beautiful nitpicking bois! These teir lists have been the ultimate relaxation tool for my return to college these past couple weeks. Thank yall so much!
I felt like you guys were a little too mean to arcades 😭 yeah a lot of slots are taken by defenders and he attracts removal but he does the same cool thing feather does where he makes a whole group of previously unplayable cards good in only his deck. Another cool thing they have in common is that basically every new set has a wall or a Boros targeted spell to consider for each deck. I enjoyed listening to you hate on other commanders though lol. I’ll look forward to part 2 of this tier list for sure.
Feather became unplayable at my LGS, just because I started having her get shot literally every time I played her. She’s so unique the deck didn’t really have a backup for her.
how to solve the problem: put cards like high alert and assault formation in arcades. you can also put cards like tetsuko, sidar kondo, chulane, mirri, masako, dulcet sirens, angus mackenzie and meekstone in arcades.
I have a friend who created a “subversion of expectations” deck where he did ramos door to nothingness, but attached it to ramos with bludgeon brawl. Technically wins with door to nothingness but in a funny way.
I recently got back into MTG after like 6 or 7 years off and wanted to play commander. Always been a Boros guy even though I know it was not the best in commander. Was so excited to see Feather when I was browsing through all the new legendaries over the years. Already pieced a budget build together until I get more cards in. Glad to see shes getting the love she deserves!
Would love to see a Best Commander of each letter tier list! Whether it be judged by fun, or power I think it would be super fun especially with letters that dont appear on this list such as P and J and such.
I'm building a Krenko deck atm so it was cool to see him get some love in the video and comments. I just love and prefer the simpler commanders and knowing I'm running mono red goblins makes it easier to process while playing. I like that the list was formatted not by raw power but took into consideration how much fun a card is and how broken a card is. My first ever commander deck was a precon vampire deck "Vampiric bloodline". It was an okay deck to start with and once I researched and bought cards to pump it up it became almost too good. The commander is fair (Has to attack in order to take advantage of the blood token ability) but I realized in my play group that it ramps up so fast it's nearly been unbeatable unless I have mana trouble. I only bust it out now when I'm on a losing streak with my other decks and need a pick me up lol.
I tend to play less popular commanders and actually have never played any of the commanders on this list. Thank you for giving me some insight into the quality of the most popular ones! I would love to see the second through fourth (fifth, sixth, etc.) popular groups and get your opinions on their tier ranking and play value.
Atraxa is just the only WUBG commander. Makes total sense to use her as just a placeholder to play those colours. In fact I might even make all my decks Atraxa considering I don't collect red at all
How it feels to play Boros. I updated my Boros attacker deck for a year trying to inculde as much ramp and card draw as possible, now it is reasonably good.
28:00 Got a niv deck and took out the combo, cause me and my friends found it a boring way to end and I wanted to do more spellslinging. Well, it does do that now, but when it does, it takes way too long to resolve everything. Now my friends hate the deck even more to a point where I don't even wanna play it anymore. So be careful what you wish for there. Just for that I would probably put Niv lower even though it breaks my heart, given how much I love the card.
@@Millus1987 Yeah, it surely isn't the highest power playgroup we got ourselfes and people could be running more targeted instant speed removal too, but it being too strong wasn't the point I was trying to make. Thing is that either the deck does it's thing, resulting in a lengthy bad time for everyone else, or they keep me from doing that, be it removal or declaring me the archenemy right away, meaning I can't really enjoy my deck. There's just no inbetween.
Man I've been watching you guys daily since like 2k subs and gotta say the quality of these vids are insane!! So happy to see you guys are growing in popularity, its well deserved :)
Eminence is great and can be fun if they continue to make it and build it right. Take these commanders with two steps to their effects. Take Arcades. His eminence effect could be defender creatures can still attack. His on field effect would be to draw a card. It allows you to not get completely shut out just from having 3 people remove you commander over and over again.
As a historic food player I do sometimes wish Korvold was worse or there was a good 'worse Korvold' for commander because as fun as he is, I also dislike commanders that do this much
I agree and disagree with Golos. When most people build a Golos deck, they do exactly as you guys explained. I do believe though that more experienced deck builders can have a lot of fun with him. For example, I built a pretty competitive Golos blink/flicker deck just to have access to all 5 colors and half the times I play that deck, I never even cast him. Side note though, I’ve been watching your channel for quite awhile now and the strides of improvement I’ve seen is incredible and just wanted to recognize that. Great job guys and keep the content coming!
Feather can be really oppressive, I have a deck that my friends hate to play against because it storms, it protects, and it controls. Just really hard to interact with once you get going, but at least it's boros! Just surprised she's an S.
Meren is what brought me here. And by this list's standards, she's the second oldest card, I think, and still totally holds up. Lots of love for my sweetie
I would put Windgrace in S tier. I'm biased because he's my favorite deck. But I have it built in a way that is landfall, but is extremely fast! I would say in 98% of games I will have at least 10 lands out by turn 3 and then I'm looking for one of my infinite landfall combos. You can achieve this through Kodama of the East Tree + a Bounce Land + any landfall token payoff. Or Ashaya Soul of the Wild + Quirion Ranger + any landfall token payoff. The best part about the 2 combos is that you can use any "Permanent Entering the battlefield" effect to use as a combo piece also. Like Altar of the Brood to Mill people out or Impact Tremors to damage their faces.
I was so worried that your were gonna miss today!!! I get so excited when you guys post! You usually post at 10 I think so I’m relieved y’all are still on the daily content! Keep up the good work guys
I love my Kess storm deck! So fun. Usually what I do is cast Thousand Year Storm and hold up a counter spell. Once I untap with it I cast High Tide, then Bubbling Muck, then anything else I can and end with a Torment of Hailfire ×30 which gets multiplied by TYS and kills all my opponents.
Krenko is the commander I would recommend to people who are just getting into edh. He's very simple, there's a million cards that can go in the deck, and his skill ceiling can be pushed up to the door of cedh so he can be played at any casual power level. As well, he's unlikely to be stricken by power creep any time soon unless they print a strictly better goblin commander
I have a chulane deck but make sure to only play him if everyone is playing their strong decks, rule zero is always important to keep games fun for everyone
Kenrith isn't just a goodstuff commander, he's very obviously a "Politics" commander, which is also an absolute flavor win for a king - all five of his abilities can target any player which means that you can use all of them as leverage in the game: R: Did opponent A just amass a big summoning sick army? Strike a deal with them to point it at opponent B in exchange for Trample and Haste. 1G: Is opponent X attacking opponent Y right now? Choose one of them who you'd like to be your friend and screw up combat maths in their favor. 2W: Is your buddy getting dangerously low on life? Heal them back up to keep them around as a decoy for the other opponents for a few more turns while also keeping your buddy happy. 3U: Is one of your opponents out of cards? Offer to refill their hand in exchange for a longer lasting alliance or a particular favor if you can think of one. 4B: Does opponent 1 have a problematic enchantment on the battlefield but opponent 2 has a Reclamation Sage in the bin? I'm sure they would like to get it back in exchange for pointing the ETB at the enchantment. Just a few examples of how you can use Kenriths abilities in a politicky way, there are plenty more things you can do with them depending on the gamestate and what the other players bring to the table...
Disrespectful not to put Krenko in A tier, mono red deckbuilding restrictions alone bump him up a tier, pushes you in one direction and has inherent weaknesses.
Arcades is tons of fun. Also him intruder alarm and wall of kelp make infinite walls/draws. Just need either haste or a payoff i.e. altar of dementia and you have a combo win.
Sorry for leaving so many comments (hey hope it helps with the algorithm at least) but it’s nice to finally see Golos, Chulaine, Kenrith get what’s coming to them. Playing brawl against them was miserable
@@NitpickingNerds other than Krenko, but yeah, I guess people want colors. I went to edhrec to check and Urza was close at 32nd, but Yawgmoth was all the way down at 63, which surprised me.
I wanna make an Edgar deck because I have always thought vampires are super cool (don’t worry I never have watched twilight) because they are super power undying creatures of great power both physically and with magic AND have fun metal capabilities unlike almost all undead. They are just super rad. The other thing is I love the marsh colors and I really like aggro decks so when I found out about Edgar Markov it felt like it was made for me.
I agree with there being way too many “cop out commanders” that deserve poop tier. I like when we get uncommon legendary creatures and more niche commanders where its not samey and busted like golos, and is more towards something unique. I dont want commanders where you cannot have different ways to build it. Why build a deck with 70 auto include?? Thats so whack.
A few thoughts: Historic Brawl is awesome and I’m so glad it’s permanent however, some of the five-C commanders like Golos, Esika and Codie are absolutely miserable to play against, and the 100 cards and default landbase make for a lot of non-games. Also not every card that is good in commander will be good in brawl and vice versa. And of course the card selection for some commanders are not quite there, but it’s definitely my go-to format on Arena. And I agree with the tier list. Zaxara has poop art but is def A tier. And Paper Mario: Origami King was a blast, but the combat system probably will keep me from playing it again even though the rest of the game was so awesome.
I’ve had a good amount of fun with historic brawl, my one complaint in addition to what you noted has been that arena in general has just been crashing, right after I queue into games, so it’s led me to play less. I’m about three quarters of the way through Oragami King and I definitely agree with you, it seems like a game you can play through once and have an amazing time, because the combat is just meh, and there’s no actual reason to get into fights other than if you really need confetti. I imagine that would really bog down a second play through
I think I just had a sweet idea how to build Arcades. Since he turns your walls into cantrips, you could play a ton of 1 mana Walls and maybe 2 mana Walls. But you could use that card draw advantage to get to a combo to combo off and win as fast as possible. It's in the proper colors to ramp and have protection. But it could be fast enough to win quickly. Idk. What do you think? Everyone would expect it to be a low power deck until you win outta no where lol
I feel personally attacked by this list but still enjoyed your content! I imagine if I opened up my box of decks, you would just groan for 5 minutes straight LOL. But besides that, I feel inspired to do something unique with some of my decks if anything from now on. Awesome video as always, thanks guys!!
Yarok ETB is incredibly fun, powerful, and resilient. It’s different from the landfall version you normally see, but I think it’s stronger and more entertaining to play.
As someone who owns Chulane, I can agree. Also, Golos Dragons Maze, the activated ability isn’t that fun, but abusing the etb is where it’s at. Kenrith politics, with cards that have restrictions, try to make an actual government. Krenko looks fun, but I’ve make them concede with Curse of Death’s Hold. Muldrotha is just fun. Sisay legends voltron. Nuff said
I mostly agree with these, but surprisingly, the one I have something to say about is Kenrith. I agree being a 1 color 5 color goodstuff commander isn't a good thing, but at least his abilities are targeted, so you can gain other players life or res their creatures for them. I'd have given him a low D for this.
What are your thoughts on Volrath Shapestealer? It’s a super fun deck so I’m kinda surprised it isn’t more popular. I guess this is a list of all the most powerful commanders
I made an Eldrazi Golos deck, a mainly colorless deck where the only colored cards allowed are eldrazi-themed, so I could play the devoid ones or stuff like decimator of provinces I stopped playing it because it was still very same-y, because of Golos I would always to get the broken eldrazi lands and fetch the titans
Ur-Dragon and Muldrotha here. Playing an early Morophon makes Ur-Daddy super-accelerated. Muldrotha just wins value-town slug-fest games especially now that I've added counterspells.
Oh my god I have a Queen Marchessa Monarch Knight deck and it's kicked ass so far, I got Syr Gwyn and the other legendary knights in it of her color code and it's so fun having like a "knights court" along side spells like death or taxes
My friend built a strong vampire deck with Strefan as his commander. He is able to steal so much life early game and snowball with blood tokens. What would be a good counter for this?
Yeah, its kinda like what you guys said about NivMizzet. Cool design but can be exploited too easilly because some few cards exist. Zaxara goes infinite with Pemmin's aura and freed from the real and the game ends there.
I built a zaxara deck for my friend and it was just all about +1+1 counters and X spells and if the mana is on point it can produce a lot of big creatures and hydra tokens even though he’s just playing very casually and I can only imagine what I would do with that deck if I had it now lol
Golos....Is very fun..... if you build it that way where you dont have your typical combos. I love rotating out 20 to 30 ($.25) cards that are too expensive to ever play in Commander, and put it into golos. and you strike out as much as anything.
The problem with Kenrith I found was he overshadows whatever fun thing people try to do with him. I tried a political deck similar to the one on commander quarters but no one wants to politic with Kenrith around. I tried a ‘just trying to win with Happily Ever After’ fairytale theme version and I’ve played against the knight tribal version, but people just went all in on the smack down against the poor Kenrith player regardless. For whatever cool thing there’s always a less threatening commander than Kenrith to be doing it with.
seeing kenrith, korvold and chulane on poop tiers is a little bit weird from cedh perspective i think. since they are powerfull and strong in cedh meta.
Please do a rejudgement of Kaalia! With the new Ancient Dragons out, she got a huuuge power increase. I love that you get to connect with the dragons right away. I now it plays kinda samey over several games, but it is so much fun 😂
I don't get the Kalamax love. Tried making one and it never really did much. Switched it to a sorta similar Wort, the Raidmother and it was stronger and more fun. Also I believe Wort is better than Krenko as a Goblin Commander
i aporeciate that you guys take more than power into consideration. i wish i knew what standards you both went by to consider how good or bad a card design is, but all the more some of the takes are quite interesting to consider. :)
No, Golos is not a fine card. It's literally the best commander in any deck in Historic Brawl apart from ones that have a specific tribal or commander based synergy. If it wasn't for players who avoid using him, Historic Brawl would just be Golos vs. Other kinds of Golos decks all the time. (Kenrith has the same issue).
I wonder how you guys would rate something like Galazeth Prismari. He is very similar to Urza which is a very obnoxious card. On one hand he is cool because he is limited to instant and sorceries and doesnt have a pay off stapled onto him like Urza does. On the other hand he is still bonkers and interact well with stax pieces like winter orb. He also have a similar problem to Golos, that whenever you cast him he ramps you by 1, so if he dies the commander tax is kind of mitigated.
I’ve just put Golos on top of a human-non-human/legendaries tribal, it’s meh but it’s fun, the commander can push the deck just enough to do some stuff
i agree with most of these but my Kenrith deck is far and away my most fun and unique. every single time i play it a new strategy and win con is drawn. mana cost reducer + willbreaker is just so brutal
Great Video guys! I love all the tier list episodes yall do, keep up the good work! I really appreciate the daily content! So I played Paper Mario Color Splash on the Wii U, great game by the way, and I had to check but it came out in 2016. Joe was so close! Lol
Ummmm... Was able to play my Ur dragon deck a couple days ago and win. Played against a Edgar Markov and Atraxa in a 3 player game. It was great, they felt bad for me and ignored me because I was missing one crucial mountain.
bit late to the party, but having played Sisay I would put it much lower. something like D tier maybe. I tried to spice it up by keeping it all weatherlight themed (putting characters from the story and cards depicting story stuff), but every game just felt the same, so I dismantled it quickly.
Honestly, I love edgar, primarily because of Vampires, my favorite Tribe. Like you guys mentioned though, I cannot find another vampire that's even close to it. I was thinking a mono black Anowon or Stephan Rakdos vamp tribal but I really like the the fast pace, Mardu vampire tribal.
*cries for Korvold* Korvold is like my favorite deck and I built it more on a budget so it isn't super insane. I have some explosive turns but I usually end up decking myself out before winning.
Arcades should’ve been D for defender. He’s great if you play his mechanic up, but as you said, then everyone knows you’re playing 40 must haves in the defenders matters mechanic and if arcades is killed your battlefield is mega nerfed.
Hey guys long time viewer here, would you do a deck tech with Adeline, Splendid Cathar? She's a new mono white legend from innistrad and could you add Rick, Steadfast Leader?
I have a Kenrith deck that is runs all colors of Goad auras, the Vow auras, monarchy, and lots of curses. It is a political manipulator type of deck that is very fun for my play group in 4+ player games!
@@landrypittman3625 I actually took those cards out of the deck so that I could run some pillow fort effects and other protection because I found that I could outlast my opponents even more effectively that way.
I don't really understand how you are ranking these, I'm guess it's by how fun they are to play and play against, but then you also rank fun to play card low because you think their broken
Whilst i know there is variance with how people build, i do find it weird that yarok is in B yet chulane is in poop. I play both, and honestly they are both curio decks and have almost the exact same win conditions. Granted, chulane is more upfront and in your face about it, but both are curio decks.
I mean not everyone enjoys playing combos. In that case their main difference boils down not being able to clean up after Chulane cause of all the ramp. Still suprised to see Yarrok so much higher though.
@@Krunschy If you don't enjoy combo, to be frank, you aren't playing chulane or yarok. Doubling ETB effects means you can kind of just combo off accidently and chulane well hes chulane.
cool tierlist idea and i like the reasoning.. but as i biased Kenrith reanimator player i disagree on his position, in my opinion he is extremly fun to build around since he gives u a ton of options to use BUT i have to admit that there is a lot of unfun ways to build kenrith as well sooo ur kinda right but i love my king kenny
Nerds: "Alela isn't too specific, she's cool. A tier"
Also Nerds: "Breya isn't specific enough. B tier"
They don’t call us the nitpicking nerds for nothing
@@NitpickingNerds lol yeah I'm just salty cause I'm a breya player 😂
Also "Golos is poop tier", card gets banned a week later, lol
Yeah. “Not too much” and “Not enough” aren’t the same thing
@@Fleewood52 golos should never have been banned
regardless "poop tier" here means bad/uninteresting design in their opinion
I built Korvold thinking he had a really cool name and look, not realizing what I was getting myself into. Now I have no friends
Get them back!!!
I love how many casual effects in MTG are sacrifice. I don't play any combos in my Korvold just good times :P
I had a friend playing with Golos, Yarok, Chulane, and Right now he is not longer my friend, I play precon decks, those decks are very fun but I don't like to compete becuase this format is too expensive even if your deck is not cedh.
I felt the same. I loved his art and the way he looked. I built the deck and maybe it ended up as a borderline CEDH deck (probably about a 9) and can really only pull it out when I play with certain people.
Yeah built him to sacrifice something and make everybody else to sacrifice something, they hated me so much, so i have rebuild him into sacing my own lands and landfall deck and its very strong as well, but they dont hate me too much.
SS tier: grave Titan
F tier: everything else
This ^^^
Grave Titan commander deck when?
Grave Titan is on here, he's at 40:15
As a new mtg player that’s growing to love mtg, edh, and invest more into it, thanks for being so enlightening, sharing your opinions and being diverse!
I love that you two aren’t afraid to differ in your opinion and express them!
So glad to hear that!
I can't believe you did my boy Arcades dirty like that!
He doesn't just rely solely on combat at all; yeah, he makes it very easy to go aggro, (and really what other aggro deck gives you a bunch of 4/4s and 6/6s for 1-2 mana that replace themselves?) but he lends himself real well to combos as well, and the best part is that, by and large, you're comboing off with the SAME cards you're going aggro with, which gives you a unique ability to pivot between aggro and combo that few decks outside of maybe Krenko can provide. They're not just the same combos you get in any other deck, either: What other deck is going infinite with Axebane Guardian and Overgrown Battlement? And while plenty of other decks can go infinite with bounce/flicker shenanigans, how many are doing it with the aforementioned 1-2 cost 6/6es that ALSO draw you a card? And the sheer number of asymmetric board wipes? Chef's kiss.
He basically epitomizes everything you said you liked about other commanders; Feather is S-tier because she lets you play with cards that no other commander does? Well, so does Arcades! You like cards that provide a powerful effect, but have some weakness that you need to work around? Well, your reliance on protecting Arcades is totally that weakness!
Arcades may not be the #1 commander on EDHRec, but he's #1 in my heart. Arcades: You are my wonderwall.
I’m surprised Syr Gwyn is that high. I think it’s a great card (partially because I love aggro and Marcy) but I thought it would not be quite high enough to make this tier list. Good job Gwyn you keep on crushing it.
As someone who just built Knight tribal with Syr Gwyn at the helm, I'm happy to see that she made it so high in their (admittedly subjective) ranking.
Knights are cool
It might be up there with some of the most predictable commander decks.
Using Kenrith is optionally casual OR spicy. Where as Golos was just insane value no matter how you try.
@@VexylObby Welcome to tribal decks, my friend. There’s only so many ways to build even the most popular of tribes; Elves, Goblins, Merfolk, Dragons, and yes Knights - all extremely predictable decks. Does that make them bad or unfun? That’s simply a matter of opinion.
Its the beautiful nitpicking bois! These teir lists have been the ultimate relaxation tool for my return to college these past couple weeks. Thank yall so much!
Good luck with your schooling, we will be doing our best to power you through it!
Eminence is honestly crazy. I’m shocked WOTC ever made it
Remember pre-errata companion?
Oloro is the o.g. emience.
I felt like you guys were a little too mean to arcades 😭 yeah a lot of slots are taken by defenders and he attracts removal but he does the same cool thing feather does where he makes a whole group of previously unplayable cards good in only his deck. Another cool thing they have in common is that basically every new set has a wall or a Boros targeted spell to consider for each deck. I enjoyed listening to you hate on other commanders though lol. I’ll look forward to part 2 of this tier list for sure.
It will be coming!
Yeah, I feel very similar about Arcades and Feather.
Feather became unplayable at my LGS, just because I started having her get shot literally every time I played her. She’s so unique the deck didn’t really have a backup for her.
how to solve the problem: put cards like high alert and assault formation in arcades. you can also put cards like tetsuko, sidar kondo, chulane, mirri, masako, dulcet sirens, angus mackenzie and meekstone in arcades.
@@nahboi483 Run protection spells
Ur-Dragon is weird because despite being the definitive dragon tribal commander, there are like 4 dragon commanders that are stronger than it.
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I have a friend who created a “subversion of expectations” deck where he did ramos door to nothingness, but attached it to ramos with bludgeon brawl. Technically wins with door to nothingness but in a funny way.
I recently got back into MTG after like 6 or 7 years off and wanted to play commander. Always been a Boros guy even though I know it was not the best in commander. Was so excited to see Feather when I was browsing through all the new legendaries over the years. Already pieced a budget build together until I get more cards in. Glad to see shes getting the love she deserves!
She is an awesome commander!
My boy Kenrith was done dirty!! (I love playing him in a deck full of as many assist, ravnica ‘hunted’ creatures and ‘friend or foe’ cards)
Yeah but that’s a fun deck, not a generic kenrith good stuff deck
I've got a politics Kenny deck and it's ridiculously fun, love that card.
This was my fav pleasant kenobi video, cool to see you guys do it
This is our video butthead he is a time traveler
Would love to see a Best Commander of each letter tier list!
Whether it be judged by fun, or power I think it would be super fun especially with letters that dont appear on this list such as P and J and such.
Gonna have to update this already... Golos banned
I'm building a Krenko deck atm so it was cool to see him get some love in the video and comments. I just love and prefer the simpler commanders and knowing I'm running mono red goblins makes it easier to process while playing. I like that the list was formatted not by raw power but took into consideration how much fun a card is and how broken a card is. My first ever commander deck was a precon vampire deck "Vampiric bloodline". It was an okay deck to start with and once I researched and bought cards to pump it up it became almost too good. The commander is fair (Has to attack in order to take advantage of the blood token ability) but I realized in my play group that it ramps up so fast it's nearly been unbeatable unless I have mana trouble. I only bust it out now when I'm on a losing streak with my other decks and need a pick me up lol.
I tend to play less popular commanders and actually have never played any of the commanders on this list. Thank you for giving me some insight into the quality of the most popular ones!
I would love to see the second through fourth (fifth, sixth, etc.) popular groups and get your opinions on their tier ranking and play value.
Atraxa is just the only WUBG commander. Makes total sense to use her as just a placeholder to play those colours. In fact I might even make all my decks Atraxa considering I don't collect red at all
Super important weakness playing Feather, you have to use boros cards! 😂
How it feels to play Boros.
I updated my Boros attacker deck for a year trying to inculde as much ramp and card draw as possible, now it is reasonably good.
Loved this episode. I'd be interested in seeing similar tier lists for the various colour combinations.
Just shoehorn in Yawgmoth every ep and say how great he is so I can feel happy and validated. (love my Yawgmoth deck and you guys
We praise Yawgmoth just about as much as humanly possible already 😂
Joe pointing at the camera at the beginning made me feel happy and I cannot understand why. Good stuff, guys!
I built a group hug deck around Kenrith and it’s one of my favorite decks to play. Kenriths abilities help out so much
Thanks for the daily content!
Almost missed it today due to technical difficulties!
My head when u are talking about Windgrace and Jund Lands "You guys know a great Jund Lands commander? Korvold lands is great" :v
Korvold anything is great 😂
Most played channel on my mtg playlist? You know it's the nerds!
HECK YEAH!
28:00 Got a niv deck and took out the combo, cause me and my friends found it a boring way to end and I wanted to do more spellslinging.
Well, it does do that now, but when it does, it takes way too long to resolve everything. Now my friends hate the deck even more to a point where I don't even wanna play it anymore.
So be careful what you wish for there.
Just for that I would probably put Niv lower even though it breaks my heart, given how much I love the card.
@@Millus1987 Yeah, it surely isn't the highest power playgroup we got ourselfes and people could be running more targeted instant speed removal too, but it being too strong wasn't the point I was trying to make.
Thing is that either the deck does it's thing, resulting in a lengthy bad time for everyone else, or they keep me from doing that, be it removal or declaring me the archenemy right away, meaning I can't really enjoy my deck. There's just no inbetween.
Man I've been watching you guys daily since like 2k subs and gotta say the quality of these vids are insane!! So happy to see you guys are growing in popularity, its well deserved :)
Eminence is great and can be fun if they continue to make it and build it right.
Take these commanders with two steps to their effects. Take Arcades. His eminence effect could be defender creatures can still attack. His on field effect would be to draw a card. It allows you to not get completely shut out just from having 3 people remove you commander over and over again.
As a historic food player I do sometimes wish Korvold was worse or there was a good 'worse Korvold' for commander because as fun as he is, I also dislike commanders that do this much
Gyome and Asmorano should be Partner with each-other
I agree and disagree with Golos. When most people build a Golos deck, they do exactly as you guys explained. I do believe though that more experienced deck builders can have a lot of fun with him. For example, I built a pretty competitive Golos blink/flicker deck just to have access to all 5 colors and half the times I play that deck, I never even cast him. Side note though, I’ve been watching your channel for quite awhile now and the strides of improvement I’ve seen is incredible and just wanted to recognize that. Great job guys and keep the content coming!
Feather can be really oppressive, I have a deck that my friends hate to play against because it storms, it protects, and it controls. Just really hard to interact with once you get going, but at least it's boros! Just surprised she's an S.
Meren is what brought me here. And by this list's standards, she's the second oldest card, I think, and still totally holds up. Lots of love for my sweetie
Totally agree with you
I would put Windgrace in S tier. I'm biased because he's my favorite deck. But I have it built in a way that is landfall, but is extremely fast! I would say in 98% of games I will have at least 10 lands out by turn 3 and then I'm looking for one of my infinite landfall combos. You can achieve this through Kodama of the East Tree + a Bounce Land + any landfall token payoff. Or Ashaya Soul of the Wild + Quirion Ranger + any landfall token payoff. The best part about the 2 combos is that you can use any "Permanent Entering the battlefield" effect to use as a combo piece also. Like Altar of the Brood to Mill people out or Impact Tremors to damage their faces.
Spent countless hours over my yuriko deck , I have a reanimation package that uses big bad demons instead of the usual take more turns theme
I make my Kess a wheels deck, basically a Nekusar deck. Also Breya is my favorite
...I just built the same deck lol
@@funkmasterjeffy Breya or Kess?
I was so worried that your were gonna miss today!!! I get so excited when you guys post! You usually post at 10 I think so I’m relieved y’all are still on the daily content! Keep up the good work guys
I love my Kess storm deck! So fun. Usually what I do is cast Thousand Year Storm and hold up a counter spell. Once I untap with it I cast High Tide, then Bubbling Muck, then anything else I can and end with a Torment of Hailfire ×30 which gets multiplied by TYS and kills all my opponents.
Krenko is the commander I would recommend to people who are just getting into edh. He's very simple, there's a million cards that can go in the deck, and his skill ceiling can be pushed up to the door of cedh so he can be played at any casual power level. As well, he's unlikely to be stricken by power creep any time soon unless they print a strictly better goblin commander
I have a chulane deck but make sure to only play him if everyone is playing their strong decks, rule zero is always important to keep games fun for everyone
Noted, if we ever meet
You get to face the yuriko deck
Kenrith isn't just a goodstuff commander, he's very obviously a "Politics" commander, which is also an absolute flavor win for a king - all five of his abilities can target any player which means that you can use all of them as leverage in the game:
R: Did opponent A just amass a big summoning sick army? Strike a deal with them to point it at opponent B in exchange for Trample and Haste.
1G: Is opponent X attacking opponent Y right now? Choose one of them who you'd like to be your friend and screw up combat maths in their favor.
2W: Is your buddy getting dangerously low on life? Heal them back up to keep them around as a decoy for the other opponents for a few more turns while also keeping your buddy happy.
3U: Is one of your opponents out of cards? Offer to refill their hand in exchange for a longer lasting alliance or a particular favor if you can think of one.
4B: Does opponent 1 have a problematic enchantment on the battlefield but opponent 2 has a Reclamation Sage in the bin? I'm sure they would like to get it back in exchange for pointing the ETB at the enchantment.
Just a few examples of how you can use Kenriths abilities in a politicky way, there are plenty more things you can do with them depending on the gamestate and what the other players bring to the table...
He can be used that way but mostly is just a good stuff commander
Makrs me really happy to see the 5 commaders i have from this lineup all landing in either A or B.
We got you!
Disrespectful not to put Krenko in A tier, mono red deckbuilding restrictions alone bump him up a tier, pushes you in one direction and has inherent weaknesses.
Wanna fight!?
"Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two photos"
*Kykar and Alela*
"They're the same picture"
Arcades is tons of fun. Also him intruder alarm and wall of kelp make infinite walls/draws. Just need either haste or a payoff i.e. altar of dementia and you have a combo win.
Sorry for leaving so many comments (hey hope it helps with the algorithm at least) but it’s nice to finally see Golos, Chulaine, Kenrith get what’s coming to them. Playing brawl against them was miserable
I'm surprised there was no Urza or Yawgmoth
Yeah mono color commanders were not in here
@@NitpickingNerds other than Krenko, but yeah, I guess people want colors. I went to edhrec to check and Urza was close at 32nd, but Yawgmoth was all the way down at 63, which surprised me.
I wanna make an Edgar deck because I have always thought vampires are super cool (don’t worry I never have watched twilight) because they are super power undying creatures of great power both physically and with magic AND have fun metal capabilities unlike almost all undead. They are just super rad. The other thing is I love the marsh colors and I really like aggro decks so when I found out about Edgar Markov it felt like it was made for me.
I agree with there being way too many “cop out commanders” that deserve poop tier. I like when we get uncommon legendary creatures and more niche commanders where its not samey and busted like golos, and is more towards something unique. I dont want commanders where you cannot have different ways to build it. Why build a deck with 70 auto include?? Thats so whack.
A few thoughts:
Historic Brawl is awesome and I’m so glad it’s permanent however, some of the five-C commanders like Golos, Esika and Codie are absolutely miserable to play against, and the 100 cards and default landbase make for a lot of non-games. Also not every card that is good in commander will be good in brawl and vice versa. And of course the card selection for some commanders are not quite there, but it’s definitely my go-to format on Arena. And I agree with the tier list. Zaxara has poop art but is def A tier. And Paper Mario: Origami King was a blast, but the combat system probably will keep me from playing it again even though the rest of the game was so awesome.
I’ve had a good amount of fun with historic brawl, my one complaint in addition to what you noted has been that arena in general has just been crashing, right after I queue into games, so it’s led me to play less.
I’m about three quarters of the way through Oragami King and I definitely agree with you, it seems like a game you can play through once and have an amazing time, because the combat is just meh, and there’s no actual reason to get into fights other than if you really need confetti. I imagine that would really bog down a second play through
Yeah the whole puzzle alignment thing is annoying as hell.
I LOVE Alela. Shes probably my most expensive deck right now, lol. I also have a pretty goofy Korvold board control/commander damage matters deck.
My main as well ! So freaking badass
I think I just had a sweet idea how to build Arcades. Since he turns your walls into cantrips, you could play a ton of 1 mana Walls and maybe 2 mana Walls. But you could use that card draw advantage to get to a combo to combo off and win as fast as possible. It's in the proper colors to ramp and have protection. But it could be fast enough to win quickly. Idk. What do you think? Everyone would expect it to be a low power deck until you win outta no where lol
I feel personally attacked by this list but still enjoyed your content! I imagine if I opened up my box of decks, you would just groan for 5 minutes straight LOL. But besides that, I feel inspired to do something unique with some of my decks if anything from now on. Awesome video as always, thanks guys!!
I play chulane and love, I'm building Korvold, I have Golos in my Sisay superfriends deck. Am I a bad person?
Yarok ETB is incredibly fun, powerful, and resilient. It’s different from the landfall version you normally see, but I think it’s stronger and more entertaining to play.
I used to think the same, until the yarok player got an Agent of Treachery
As someone who owns Chulane, I can agree.
Also, Golos Dragons Maze, the activated ability isn’t that fun, but abusing the etb is where it’s at.
Kenrith politics, with cards that have restrictions, try to make an actual government.
Krenko looks fun, but I’ve make them concede with Curse of Death’s Hold.
Muldrotha is just fun.
Sisay legends voltron. Nuff said
I mostly agree with these, but surprisingly, the one I have something to say about is Kenrith. I agree being a 1 color 5 color goodstuff commander isn't a good thing, but at least his abilities are targeted, so you can gain other players life or res their creatures for them. I'd have given him a low D for this.
That is a fair take
What are your thoughts on Volrath Shapestealer? It’s a super fun deck so I’m kinda surprised it isn’t more popular. I guess this is a list of all the most powerful commanders
I've built 8 of these decks. I only pull Chulane out when my playgroup goes high power, but it is such a fun deck to play.
The fact that Korvold triggers with fetchlands and treasures is just stupid
I made an Eldrazi Golos deck, a mainly colorless deck where the only colored cards allowed are eldrazi-themed, so I could play the devoid ones or stuff like decimator of provinces
I stopped playing it because it was still very same-y, because of Golos I would always to get the broken eldrazi lands and fetch the titans
Ur-Dragon and Muldrotha here. Playing an early Morophon makes Ur-Daddy super-accelerated. Muldrotha just wins value-town slug-fest games especially now that I've added counterspells.
Oh my god I have a Queen Marchessa Monarch Knight deck and it's kicked ass so far, I got Syr Gwyn and the other legendary knights in it of her color code and it's so fun having like a "knights court" along side spells like death or taxes
Feather is my Boros deck and lvoe her. So fun and unique. A miracle in Boros colors.
Not the perfect list, but I think it is your best one yet. I've played with or against almost all of these commanders. Keep it up.
"Ties the room together" 10/10
What is the card your talking about between Curiosity and Tandem Tactics? Sounds like affinity eye or something.
My friend built a strong vampire deck with Strefan as his commander. He is able to steal so much life early game and snowball with blood tokens. What would be a good counter for this?
Kykar is more likeable once he's not leading yet another storm deck. Kykar Enchantments is sweet.
Y’all are off the rock with that Ur-Dragon pick
Zaxara goes infinite super easy. It keeps getting little bits of support with new X spells too. Fun to play, on the playing side.
I want to try build it
@@NitpickingNerds just don't lean too heavily on infinites w/ zaxara, in my experience it's capable of 8+/10 game play.
Yeah, its kinda like what you guys said about NivMizzet. Cool design but can be exploited too easilly because some few cards exist. Zaxara goes infinite with Pemmin's aura and freed from the real and the game ends there.
I built a zaxara deck for my friend and it was just all about +1+1 counters and X spells and if the mana is on point it can produce a lot of big creatures and hydra tokens even though he’s just playing very casually and I can only imagine what I would do with that deck if I had it now lol
I don’t agree with the rating you gave Kaalia, Its my favourite card and Ive been building my deck for ages and it pretty much kicks ass every time.
I was quite disappointed reading this as well. I recently built a deck around her and get some more games in with her.
Golos....Is very fun..... if you build it that way where you dont have your typical combos. I love rotating out 20 to 30 ($.25) cards that are too expensive to ever play in Commander, and put it into golos. and you strike out as much as anything.
He can be fun but the typical golos deck is lame
That's the worst part about Golos. It makes any cards you want to play good. It encourages bad deckbuilding.
The problem with Kenrith I found was he overshadows whatever fun thing people try to do with him. I tried a political deck similar to the one on commander quarters but no one wants to politic with Kenrith around. I tried a ‘just trying to win with Happily Ever After’ fairytale theme version and I’ve played against the knight tribal version, but people just went all in on the smack down against the poor Kenrith player regardless.
For whatever cool thing there’s always a less threatening commander than Kenrith to be doing it with.
Great list guys, my order would be different, but only because I play Cedh. Good job, well done and good arguments for regular commander play.
seeing kenrith, korvold and chulane on poop tiers is a little bit weird from cedh perspective i think.
since they are powerfull and strong in cedh meta.
I use Kenrith as a Mardu Reanimator deck, no green or blue in it. I like the versatility he can provide if you restrict yourself building him.
That is cool but sadly most of his decks are boring
Please do a rejudgement of Kaalia!
With the new Ancient Dragons out, she got a huuuge power increase. I love that you get to connect with the dragons right away. I now it plays kinda samey over several games, but it is so much fun 😂
I don't get the Kalamax love. Tried making one and it never really did much. Switched it to a sorta similar Wort, the Raidmother and it was stronger and more fun. Also I believe Wort is better than Krenko as a Goblin Commander
i aporeciate that you guys take more than power into consideration. i wish i knew what standards you both went by to consider how good or bad a card design is, but all the more some of the takes are quite interesting to consider. :)
No, Golos is not a fine card. It's literally the best commander in any deck in Historic Brawl apart from ones that have a specific tribal or commander based synergy. If it wasn't for players who avoid using him, Historic Brawl would just be Golos vs. Other kinds of Golos decks all the time. (Kenrith has the same issue).
Golos is cool if you play it as a Mazes End deck. You play a bunch of Clones so you can get all the Gates. Then you activate Mazes End for the win
I wonder how you guys would rate something like Galazeth Prismari. He is very similar to Urza which is a very obnoxious card.
On one hand he is cool because he is limited to instant and sorceries and doesnt have a pay off stapled onto him like Urza does.
On the other hand he is still bonkers and interact well with stax pieces like winter orb. He also have a similar problem to Golos, that whenever you cast him he ramps you by 1, so if he dies the commander tax is kind of mitigated.
I’ve just put Golos on top of a human-non-human/legendaries tribal, it’s meh but it’s fun, the commander can push the deck just enough to do some stuff
i agree with most of these but my Kenrith deck is far and away my most fun and unique. every single time i play it a new strategy and win con is drawn.
mana cost reducer + willbreaker is just so brutal
Great Video guys! I love all the tier list episodes yall do, keep up the good work! I really appreciate the daily content!
So I played Paper Mario Color Splash on the Wii U, great game by the way, and I had to check but it came out in 2016. Joe was so close! Lol
Ummmm... Was able to play my Ur dragon deck a couple days ago and win. Played against a Edgar Markov and Atraxa in a 3 player game. It was great, they felt bad for me and ignored me because I was missing one crucial mountain.
bit late to the party, but having played Sisay I would put it much lower. something like D tier maybe.
I tried to spice it up by keeping it all weatherlight themed (putting characters from the story and cards depicting story stuff), but every game just felt the same, so I dismantled it quickly.
Honestly, I love edgar, primarily because of Vampires, my favorite Tribe. Like you guys mentioned though, I cannot find another vampire that's even close to it. I was thinking a mono black Anowon or Stephan Rakdos vamp tribal but I really like the the fast pace, Mardu vampire tribal.
*cries for Korvold* Korvold is like my favorite deck and I built it more on a budget so it isn't super insane. I have some explosive turns but I usually end up decking myself out before winning.
As Kaalia is my 1st commander I totally agree with 5 spot removal per deck in stead of 10 :))
Someone got pummeled by yuriko too much 😂😂😂
I'm here for this one!
Hi peanut!
Arcades should’ve been D for defender. He’s great if you play his mechanic up, but as you said, then everyone knows you’re playing 40 must haves in the defenders matters mechanic and if arcades is killed your battlefield is mega nerfed.
Hey guys long time viewer here, would you do a deck tech with Adeline, Splendid Cathar? She's a new mono white legend from innistrad and could you add Rick, Steadfast Leader?
We don’t do many deck techs but we will talk about it in ranking every commander
just drop it in a GE OKETRA deck :)
I have a Kenrith deck that is runs all colors of Goad auras, the Vow auras, monarchy, and lots of curses. It is a political manipulator type of deck that is very fun for my play group in 4+ player games!
That’s the deck I am going to build next. But add in all the parley cars and will of council cards. Maximum interaction!
@@landrypittman3625 Nice!
@@landrypittman3625 I actually took those cards out of the deck so that I could run some pillow fort effects and other protection because I found that I could outlast my opponents even more effectively that way.
@@HexproofAnarchist - I will have to keep that in mind. Thanks!
If you think about it, gishath is a lot like grave Titan, just good because it has haste
I don't really understand how you are ranking these, I'm guess it's by how fun they are to play and play against, but then you also rank fun to play card low because you think their broken
Whilst i know there is variance with how people build, i do find it weird that yarok is in B yet chulane is in poop. I play both, and honestly they are both curio decks and have almost the exact same win conditions. Granted, chulane is more upfront and in your face about it, but both are curio decks.
I mean not everyone enjoys playing combos. In that case their main difference boils down not being able to clean up after Chulane cause of all the ramp. Still suprised to see Yarrok so much higher though.
@@Krunschy If you don't enjoy combo, to be frank, you aren't playing chulane or yarok. Doubling ETB effects means you can kind of just combo off accidently and chulane well hes chulane.
cool tierlist idea and i like the reasoning.. but as i biased Kenrith reanimator player i disagree on his position, in my opinion he is extremly fun to build around since he gives u a ton of options to use BUT i have to admit that there is a lot of unfun ways to build kenrith as well sooo ur kinda right but i love my king kenny