*immediately take a full minute to fly his command centre across the map * "help me defend pls, i'm vulnerable" absolutely killed me marc, keep up the good work
In team games, a gg after 2/3 of the enemy team left usually isn't an offensive gg, it often just means "good game". People in team games (and lower elo 1v1) often mean it when they say gg.
@@shorok9333 read properly, I mentioned that opponents are already giving up (means gg's first, as it is in the video). There is nothing offensive to confirm that game was good after opponent admited his defeat
@@Adlaran well, that is just the problem, it's supposed to mean good game but through years of usage it gained plenty of insinuations that may not be particularly obvious or logical when comparing it to the original meaning
it's only giga chad if you survive. That's like saying "punching Mike Tyson in the face is giga chad", lol, not if you end up with your jaw dislocated.
Love your hypothetical conversations you have with your partners. This team content is the best. Love your 2v2 the most. Your partners are the most receptive as well.
as an avid 3v3 diamond player, it was really fun seeing all these familiar maps and watching you play them as well as the "type of players" that are in that pool xD ngl i was keeping an eye out to see if i was in any of these games
Marc what i do to remember opponents' races is to remember the *color* of the *random* -- i.e. in your game 1: "blue - toss - toss." This way you know if you see a blue unit, you know instantly that it was the random. Alternatively, on the traditional method, "random - toss - toss," if you see, for example, a blue probe, you have to verify if blue was the 'random' player. You're the best! cheers ~
In larger team games, early pressure is really valuable because 1) it gives time for your allies to set up and 2) the opponents might overreact, putting them behind but still on the defensive.
Just wanted to mention the map for the last game is sick for mass nukes, because bases are lined up vertically, so it takes multiple scans/observers to spot well spread ghosts
Game 2 terran player pushing early disrupted enemy team which is very valuable in team games. A lot of people (like me) are often unprepared for a very early push like that. Its a gamble, but the 4racks gives you enough production to snowball quickly if you manage to pry an opening. If one player loses his workers and ragequits then you often win right there, the rest of the match is just cleanup.
yah, and sometimes if the push is dangerous enough, their whole team tries to help and that slows their entire team while your teammates are playing normal. Just gotta hope the other team just doesn't decide to make a huge army and come and crush you while you're temporarily down a player 😂
I wish SC2 Teamgames were overhauled. 1) you should be able to see your allies banks 2) you should be able to share units/buildings directly to a mate 3) after leaving you should be able to take over the bases of your allies
I think it's more confusing in 3 player mode because your random mates will be asking, "Is he talking to me?" Or maybe expecting the other guy to do it instead. In 2 vs 2 your team mate knows he or she is being directly asked, so they can agree or veto it immediately.
I never played 3v3 with humans, but aggressive proxy barracks strategy seems solid to me, even without any consolidation with allies. The guy did put on some early pressure on opponents, probably forcing them to invest in the army supply earlier then they had planned.
19:22 in a 4v4 with my friends, we massed units, I made nothing but zlots and just kept attacking bases with waves. one terran made widowmines so they couldnt take map control very easily, the other protoss made archons and the other terran made marine / tank to ensure we dont die to the enemies marine / tank (he was our best player so we usually made him keep us alive so we could do dumb stuff)
31:25 when his teammates leave, game is pretty much over so it is not bm in a 3v3 to gg after teammates leave because it is the only time to gg.. People usually leave when their teammates leave.
Yeea, Thermy brought some new fresh stuff as mostly. I've been thinking about new perspectives of competition too and it came up to this idea: Make competition of beating the Coop missions as fast as possible, two teams of gm players start the same map and the timer, one team beats the map - it's GG. Spectators have to watch both games at the same time though, but why not, I'd enjoy that. I'm sure there are charts of the best times of coop missions somewhere, but this idea is to see GM class players compete by choosing the unit comp and sync the abilities and crazy micro. Adios
you should play 2v2 or 3v3 with a known teammate and play really weird strats: -2-3 zerg for MASSIVE one attack banling; -toss + zerg for only mêle units; -3 same units only (marines, queens, sentry, etc). Really nice idea team games!
NEW CHALLENGE: constantly sacrifice your units, for the team! But you have to sound like you’re trying, and be super optimistic about “the next time will be better” and just keep running 200 supply of marines straight over lurkers. ;)
If you’re planning to be in a fight, that punch in the face has likely been accounted for. Such a common phrase used as a dismissal by a guy who’s turning his back on you for effect while insulting the brick in your hand. If he’s got eyes in the back of his head, they’ll be blacked in a minute
Btw the Iron Mike quote is really "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Im only correcting MBP because the real quote is much, much funnier 😁
Be first, steal the initiative, force opponent adapt to your strat, vary your strat timedly, push when pulled, pull when pushed and yada yada the theory of games and the base of military strategies, but also works in one on one duels/mma
What makes the gold patches worthwhile enough to do that? You saved a few SUVs in the long run but lost the time you could have made them by flying your base down there.
How much minerals did you mine in that first game though? I was curious. There's less patches to mine from, and on top of that the mining time and building time is subtracted at the start.
Idea for future team games. Play as ultimate support. Make an army to defend allies ONLY. For attacking you can only make make SCV to repair ally mechanical units and medivac to heal ally bio units. Also give excess money to allies
gg when 2/3 of the enemies have left and game is over is probably ok. "wpgg" might be nicer. In LoL during the final few seconds before the nexus dies or the surrender vote triggers the end, gg'ing as the winning team is fairly expected and mannered. maybe thats a game culture difference, but it could also just be a team game format difference.
"3v3 is WILD!" 😂😂😂 I'd like to see more random 3v3. Maybe it was just a coincidence that these teammates were less talkative. I imagine they get more talkative (and react more to crazy builds) as you match higher ranks.
@uThermal Arranged Teams still have to go through placement - correct. However, your combined MMR for solo teams is averaged. Example: Serral is Gold and you are Diamon (realistic assumptions) in solo 2v2, but when you team up and do placement matches your then average MMR will fall somewhere in Platinum. Your first placement match should be vs other Platinum players and your other placements can then scale from that initial point. If two Bronze solo players team up, even if they win all 5 placement matches, they're unlikely to get a party league above gold. Same for two top Master 2v2's can still get Master's after losing all 5 placements.
For those placements matchs, maybe 4v4 because you'll start low, do a drone rush into mass drone, and drone drop harass them. With your micro i'm pretty sure you'd win like that with 200 drone army in the end.
I find your random team game content highly entertaining. The 2v2 has been better, my guess is with 3v3 the extra communication becomes difficult so people tend to not engage in it. Not to say this one wasn't enjoyable but the 2v2 content was highly amusing.
So refreshing. Very nice concept. Pgm always cares about players with competitive mindset. But not about fun play with casual mates. On the ladder I see a lot of ppl not even ranked 1v1. Only playing team games.
In heroes of the storm when they gave a bunch of the EU and KR guys accounts so they could practice for Blizzcon, they ended up starting in high gold, which sucked for us Gold and Plat players
About match making, race is irrelevant (surprisingly). If you are 5000 mmr terran 3v3 player, and choose protoss for a change. You are still 5000 mmr and will lose the game and terran mmr with it.
The opponents with the micro are a "little too weak." Lol! That would be my level of skill. I have never been good at games like this with so much going on. SC2 is still my favorite story of all time.
The population is much lower in multiplayer modes. When you play solo, there might be only 10-20 grandmasters online at a time. When you search for a match, only 1-5 of them are also searching for a match. IE: there are only 1-5 fair opponents in 1v1 at any given time for you to play against. This is proven when you match against the same guy 3 times in a row. Now reduce that grandmaster list to 0-5 GMs playing 2v2/3v3 modes(total)...and you only have 0-1 fair opponents searching for a match at the same time as you. which means you are going to get matched against whoever is next highest and searching for games at that time. Diamonds, masters,, platinums.
Problem with team games is you gotta deal with teammates, I keep running into teamkillers that either tilt and teamkill, or play games to build 50 zerglings and teamkill before you can do anything about it And obviously the MMR thing is crazy, and we just had new split start so it's even worse right now
2v2 relies the most on the team working together, so that probably works best for this format. of course, i still appreciate the experiment, but in 4v4 these strats are an ancient tradition from day9's funday monday, and 3v3 isn't that different. in 2v2, it's more important (and therefore also easier) to get the teammate on board, otherwise you just win the 1v2 or 1v3 at this level, which isn't really the point.
I never thought I'd enjoy but man I love the team series. Fun interactions here and there, people panicking, people with good strategies... basically people having fun. Thank you.
*immediately take a full minute to fly his command centre across the map *
"help me defend pls, i'm vulnerable"
absolutely killed me marc, keep up the good work
a teamplayer should never be shy of notifying the temporal weaknesses, it was also like the first comm check "12 roger, over"
"if these guys are not impressed by me flying my cc for a minute and a half to the gold, ill have to find something else to impress them with"😂😂😂😂
effectively wins a 3v3 game 1v3 in 5 minutes.
In team games, a gg after 2/3 of the enemy team left usually isn't an offensive gg, it often just means "good game". People in team games (and lower elo 1v1) often mean it when they say gg.
yes gg just means good game what's wrong with using it, especially when your opponents are already giving up
@@Adlaran the loser gg's first, newbie
@@Adlaran don't be offended by shorok9333, in higher level games beng called a newbie is a term of endearment.
@@shorok9333 read properly, I mentioned that opponents are already giving up (means gg's first, as it is in the video). There is nothing offensive to confirm that game was good after opponent admited his defeat
@@Adlaran well, that is just the problem, it's supposed to mean good game but through years of usage it gained plenty of insinuations that may not be particularly obvious or logical when comparing it to the original meaning
11:00 yeah, most people don't have the APM to type an essay while they're playing lmao
exactly, I rarely type anything beyond glhf because I'm busy and, in 1v1, chat is used primarily to distract or BM.
Typing speed and APM are two very different statistics.
I think next quality update Blizzard could make is to let AI recognize words said through the microphone and convert that into chat message
New challenge: You can only defend yourself and transfer resources, only your team mates can attack.
Tower rushing is tecnicly defense)
@@expepem189xl3 proxy defense.
Tower defense with extra steps 😂😂😂
That's a great idea imo
This! Please uThermal….❤
I seriously can't get enough these team games with cheese and banter. Thanks bruh.
The banter with the teammates is the best part of these videos 😆
Flying the CC to the gold patch is the ultimate giga Chad move.
A throwback to the Gangnam style from Habitation Station.
it's only giga chad if you survive. That's like saying "punching Mike Tyson in the face is giga chad", lol, not if you end up with your jaw dislocated.
Love your hypothetical conversations you have with your partners.
This team content is the best.
Love your 2v2 the most.
Your partners are the most receptive as well.
as an avid 3v3 diamond player, it was really fun seeing all these familiar maps and watching you play them as well as the "type of players" that are in that pool xD ngl i was keeping an eye out to see if i was in any of these games
Hahah when Thermy says: "hey guys"
Pig is like "oh boi, here we go again....what crazy plan is on agenda today marc?" 😂😂
Marc what i do to remember opponents' races is to remember the *color* of the *random* -- i.e. in your game 1: "blue - toss - toss." This way you know if you see a blue unit, you know instantly that it was the random. Alternatively, on the traditional method, "random - toss - toss," if you see, for example, a blue probe, you have to verify if blue was the 'random' player. You're the best! cheers ~
"light reaper harass" he says.
Proceeds to kill them with said reapers.
If my ally told me, in all caps, that they're stealing the enemy's money, you would not be able to convince me they weren't 12yo
Offensive GG is not BM in team games. its a normal thing when people start leaving
Agreed
Start as a zerg, steal a worker with an infestor and beat your opponent with his own race
Thats a 40 min game 😂
19:06 "What else do we need?" *Medivacs for the Zealots!!!
In larger team games, early pressure is really valuable because 1) it gives time for your allies to set up and 2) the opponents might overreact, putting them behind but still on the defensive.
"I'm coming my friend" Marc acting more and more like an NPC every video lol
Just wanted to mention the map for the last game is sick for mass nukes, because bases are lined up vertically, so it takes multiple scans/observers to spot well spread ghosts
Marc needs one of these
-A live audience
-A person he can cast with (like lagtv has two casters)
-an open mic with his team mates
Game 2 terran player pushing early disrupted enemy team which is very valuable in team games. A lot of people (like me) are often unprepared for a very early push like that. Its a gamble, but the 4racks gives you enough production to snowball quickly if you manage to pry an opening. If one player loses his workers and ragequits then you often win right there, the rest of the match is just cleanup.
yah, and sometimes if the push is dangerous enough, their whole team tries to help and that slows their entire team while your teammates are playing normal. Just gotta hope the other team just doesn't decide to make a huge army and come and crush you while you're temporarily down a player 😂
yeah, he also took out a hatch, that's a really big deal early game.
I wish SC2 Teamgames were overhauled.
1) you should be able to see your allies banks
2) you should be able to share units/buildings directly to a mate
3) after leaving you should be able to take over the bases of your allies
Loving this series, we get to see max baboonery and commentary on mind blowing/brain dead teammate play.
28:33 This was such a troll tactic lol
I appreciate that we’re slowly adopting “The Bongcloud” as shorthand for stupid and risky meme strategies
I think it's more confusing in 3 player mode because your random mates will be asking, "Is he talking to me?" Or maybe expecting the other guy to do it instead. In 2 vs 2 your team mate knows he or she is being directly asked, so they can agree or veto it immediately.
2v2 Phoenix and Vikings does sound like a fun combo.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face - Mike Tyson
3:12 First time ever that Marc has learned something I already knew.
Yo, uThermal, you can build one CC in the middle of the rocks and mine all bases at one time. Don't waste 800 minerals on two other CC'c.
I never played 3v3 with humans, but aggressive proxy barracks strategy seems solid to me, even without any consolidation with allies. The guy did put on some early pressure on opponents, probably forcing them to invest in the army supply earlier then they had planned.
"I'm typing literal essays to my teammates..." -- Actually types, "i got battlecruisers"
That’s too many letters for me and my apm lol
19:22 in a 4v4 with my friends, we massed units, I made nothing but zlots and just kept attacking bases with waves. one terran made widowmines so they couldnt take map control very easily, the other protoss made archons and the other terran made marine / tank to ensure we dont die to the enemies marine / tank (he was our best player so we usually made him keep us alive so we could do dumb stuff)
31:25 when his teammates leave, game is pretty much over so it is not bm in a 3v3 to gg after teammates leave because it is the only time to gg.. People usually leave when their teammates leave.
"you will get drashed"
>proceeds to trash the enemies solo
This was great! Love to see more of these team games!
Thermal - " I'll take gold"
Teammates thoughts - we going to bronze league with this one boys
team games are officially my favourite to watch
Yeea, Thermy brought some new fresh stuff as mostly. I've been thinking about new perspectives of competition too and it came up to this idea: Make competition of beating the Coop missions as fast as possible, two teams of gm players start the same map and the timer, one team beats the map - it's GG. Spectators have to watch both games at the same time though, but why not, I'd enjoy that. I'm sure there are charts of the best times of coop missions somewhere, but this idea is to see GM class players compete by choosing the unit comp and sync the abilities and crazy micro. Adios
Love the Illaoi reference.
...could you invent a build/strategy called the muscle mommy in honor of this? 😂
keep it coming...some of the funniest content so far :)
YES, THAT'S IT
you should play 2v2 or 3v3 with a known teammate and play really weird strats:
-2-3 zerg for MASSIVE one attack banling;
-toss + zerg for only mêle units;
-3 same units only (marines, queens, sentry, etc).
Really nice idea team games!
NEW CHALLENGE: constantly sacrifice your units, for the team! But you have to sound like you’re trying, and be super optimistic about “the next time will be better” and just keep running 200 supply of marines straight over lurkers. ;)
I really enjoy these team games. Would be into seeing longer lasting ones too.
31:40 both yellow and orange had already left by the time teal said gg
If you’re planning to be in a fight, that punch in the face has likely been accounted for. Such a common phrase used as a dismissal by a guy who’s turning his back on you for effect while insulting the brick in your hand.
If he’s got eyes in the back of his head, they’ll be blacked in a minute
6:00: Bong Cloud into center of map, followed by Planetaries into Ghost, successful build. Confirmed 👍
I love the team games. Literally infinite potential for shenanigans
this was a fun video. im gonna have to watch your other team games now
Btw the Iron Mike quote is really "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
Im only correcting MBP because the real quote is much, much funnier 😁
The uppercut was his favorite and most devastating punch, hence the line.
Be first, steal the initiative, force opponent adapt to your strat, vary your strat timedly, push when pulled, pull when pushed and yada yada the theory of games and the base of military strategies, but also works in one on one duels/mma
yeah mouth instead of face makes it much much funnier
What makes the gold patches worthwhile enough to do that?
You saved a few SUVs in the long run but lost the time you could have made them by flying your base down there.
I would love to see weird crazy 3v3/2v2 strats like mass queens transfusing an ultralisk or something haha
Love these 2v2 series Marc. TBH i love all your videos. Trust me bro.
How much minerals did you mine in that first game though? I was curious. There's less patches to mine from, and on top of that the mining time and building time is subtracted at the start.
Idea for future team games.
Play as ultimate support. Make an army to defend allies ONLY. For attacking you can only make make SCV to repair ally mechanical units and medivac to heal ally bio units. Also give excess money to allies
> “Going for some light reaper harass”
> ends the game
I play a lot of 3v3 so its hilarious seeing these team games and marc discovering the maps and strats
gg when 2/3 of the enemies have left and game is over is probably ok. "wpgg" might be nicer. In LoL during the final few seconds before the nexus dies or the surrender vote triggers the end, gg'ing as the winning team is fairly expected and mannered. maybe thats a game culture difference, but it could also just be a team game format difference.
Whenever uThermal says, there's no chance this will work, I think to myself, this is going to work.
uThermal looking for the most efficent strategy to torture 5 players the same time of one match of 1v1 ;) Its brilliant...
"3v3 is WILD!" 😂😂😂
I'd like to see more random 3v3. Maybe it was just a coincidence that these teammates were less talkative. I imagine they get more talkative (and react more to crazy builds) as you match higher ranks.
I am loving the team games marC...keep the vids coming.
@uThermal Arranged Teams still have to go through placement - correct. However, your combined MMR for solo teams is averaged. Example: Serral is Gold and you are Diamon (realistic assumptions) in solo 2v2, but when you team up and do placement matches your then average MMR will fall somewhere in Platinum. Your first placement match should be vs other Platinum players and your other placements can then scale from that initial point.
If two Bronze solo players team up, even if they win all 5 placement matches, they're unlikely to get a party league above gold. Same for two top Master 2v2's can still get Master's after losing all 5 placements.
For those placements matchs, maybe 4v4 because you'll start low, do a drone rush into mass drone, and drone drop harass them. With your micro i'm pretty sure you'd win like that with 200 drone army in the end.
Love this series to change things up!
the first bongcloud was sick, shame that game didnt go for longer
yo these team videos are so fun
I find your random team game content highly entertaining. The 2v2 has been better, my guess is with 3v3 the extra communication becomes difficult so people tend to not engage in it. Not to say this one wasn't enjoyable but the 2v2 content was highly amusing.
They might be listening and remaining silent because they're busy.
manchego marc is so beautiful, so close to the goat cheese, but somehow better
This was great, more of this please.
So refreshing. Very nice concept.
Pgm always cares about players with competitive mindset. But not about fun play with casual mates.
On the ladder I see a lot of ppl not even ranked 1v1.
Only playing team games.
Your new SC content is great
In heroes of the storm when they gave a bunch of the EU and KR guys accounts so they could practice for Blizzcon, they ended up starting in high gold, which sucked for us Gold and Plat players
MORE 2V2S AND 3V3S! LOVE THE VIDS
The map on game 1 is actually bugged/changed so T can't do the low ground wall with a depot and rax. It takes an add on or another building.
You’re a legend for these daily team game uploads 👑
In case people don't know, you can see everyone's race via the icon on top right that looks like people
About match making, race is irrelevant (surprisingly). If you are 5000 mmr terran 3v3 player, and choose protoss for a change. You are still 5000 mmr and will lose the game and terran mmr with it.
The opponents with the micro are a "little too weak." Lol! That would be my level of skill. I have never been good at games like this with so much going on. SC2 is still my favorite story of all time.
I thought 2v2 was peak, but bewildering 2 teammates is even better lol
They end up in 5 mins lmao (match 1)
Speedrun BC moment (match 2)
Fastest production aircraft (match 3)
The population is much lower in multiplayer modes. When you play solo, there might be only 10-20 grandmasters online at a time. When you search for a match, only 1-5 of them are also searching for a match. IE: there are only 1-5 fair opponents in 1v1 at any given time for you to play against. This is proven when you match against the same guy 3 times in a row.
Now reduce that grandmaster list to 0-5 GMs playing 2v2/3v3 modes(total)...and you only have 0-1 fair opponents searching for a match at the same time as you. which means you are going to get matched against whoever is next highest and searching for games at that time. Diamonds, masters,, platinums.
I was gonna say I wanna see vikings to GM, and that last game both scratched the itch and confirmed for me that that's exactly what I want.
more, we need moooore of this
These maps were in the 2nd latest patch
They are in the upcoming patch too?
Actually no idea, hoping for new ones :x
love these team games!
please keep doing 2v2 content & 3v3 content. this is very fun
Problem with team games is you gotta deal with teammates, I keep running into teamkillers that either tilt and teamkill, or play games to build 50 zerglings and teamkill before you can do anything about it
And obviously the MMR thing is crazy, and we just had new split start so it's even worse right now
WE ARE GONNA FLY AWAY BABY! 1:05
THE GLORIOUS BONG CLOUD DELUXE IS REAL
Thank you for being so positive!
2v2 relies the most on the team working together, so that probably works best for this format. of course, i still appreciate the experiment, but in 4v4 these strats are an ancient tradition from day9's funday monday, and 3v3 isn't that different. in 2v2, it's more important (and therefore also easier) to get the teammate on board, otherwise you just win the 1v2 or 1v3 at this level, which isn't really the point.
I never thought I'd enjoy but man I love the team series.
Fun interactions here and there, people panicking, people with good strategies... basically people having fun. Thank you.
Name yourself “Pot of Gold” (WC1 cheat code for gold) and do series of taking the golds with orange or yellow color.
Or glittering prices
what a delicious episode. nom nom. m0hr plx. infinitely m0hr plx
I would love to see some more 3v3 or 2v2s
I just watched a 3vs1 I love these games. awesome!!
Yay awesome new content love it!!
match making in lowers has always been shocking