Is this American Kenpo's future? Because to be honest, it looks like all anyone wants to do is BJJ in these American Kenpo matches. If that's the case, why study American Kenpo? Just go join a Brazillian jiujitsu school. I see absolutely ZERO Kenpo in these fights. I realize you can't elbow a face, or break a knee in tournament sparring, but If you spar like tournament fighters, and spar like BJJ, then you will never use American Kenpo the way it is suppose to be used. You're natural instincts will revert the way your spar. I wonder how Ed Parker would feel, if he was still alive, to see his art of street fighting, changed into BJJ with a few punches and kicks. Yes American Kenpo needs to address ground fighting, but not in a way that relegates American Kenpo to secondary status (if even that), and BJJ the primary. Like I said before, if that's the case, just join a BJJ school.
I wholeheartedly agree. I studied Kenpo for 4 years back in the 90's, and then again for a few years about 4yrs ago. I still love the art and theoretical aspects of Kenpo, and it is very possible that these people (also) are nervous so, as you said, it devolves into grappling. Which, brings us to modern MMA. You have to be well-rounded. I studied some BJJ (catch wrestling) and boxing, and to be honest, boxing for me is my favorite. I am still going to be loyal to Kenpo, and I can see value in it. But yeah, you have to get some ground skills in too.
have you considered the reason there is no kenpo specific techs in live sparring is because they do not work under pressure.What youre seeing here is that all styles that arent built on full contact sparring with grappling devolve into very bad looking mma under pressure,I first saw this in the first UFC in 1993.Ed parker and all the other kenpo masters never pressure tested their techs,they evolved in a purely theoretical framework with no feedback from stress testing.In contrast look at muay thai,leithwei,wrestling and bjj,judo,traditional arts that under pressure look exactly the way they train because they start with pressure testing and a theory of traing is developed from that,not arse backwards like most arts .
@@scarred10 I understand what you mean...believe me I do. I first started out in I.T.F. Tae Kwon Do, and thought i knew everything, until i learned that i didn't, and then cross trained. Now that I am old, I train for love of art more then anything, but what I was trying to point out is that if you decided to learn American Kenpo, Taekwondo, Karate, Kung Fu, etc... then learn that art first, and then add to it in cross training. If one wants to learn MMA or BJJ, then do that. To take an established art and change it to the point that it isnt even recognisable anymore, just makes it NOT that art. Don't get me wrong, I believe in adaptation, and bettering the art...that's how many styles developed, but in this case, it just looks like MMA or BJJ, with no hints of American Kenpo. They clash, and go straight to the ground. Hence, why not just learn an art that teaches that, rather then an art that only takes bits of it. If you are blending ground fighting with American Kenpo, then American Kenpo should be the primary art, and the ground fighting portions added should blend into it, and not overtake it. Imagine boxers decided to train kicking with their boxing skills, and implimented those new kicks into the boxing arena for championships. Would it still be boxing? No, it would be kickboxing...a sport and fighting style that already exists. Add elbows and knees, and you have Muay Thai. Add ground fighting and you have MMA. You would be destroying the very nature of what makes boxing boxing. That being said, I hear you, and I believe to each its own. If they choose to do this, more power to them, but My comments were on the observation of what I saw being called American Kenpo in an upgraded version, because make no mistake about it, Jeff Speakman trained directly under Ed Parker, and is teaching that art...and I get that self defense and fighting are two seperate entities. But I just don't see the American Kenpo part...only MMA and BJJ...This is only my opinion that means precious little. Now to your comment on if American Kenpo can be implimented or not on the street, I'll leave that up to debate for others. All I can say is that it has worked for me against average people. If I was fighting well trained fighters, I cannot say since I have never come accross one. Contrary to the TV world, very few people are trained to the level of BJJ or MMA fighters. Or for that fact, very few people train at all. All that being said, thanks for your comments. We all have experiences that influence our thoughts, and I can see you also have been affected, as I had been, by the first UFC fight. In the end, we all love the arts, so lets keep training. :)
@@Manuel-hv5qj this comment was beautiful but I’m confused on one thing my friend,so let’s say I have black belt rank in taekwondo,Kempo mixed with Bjj which I do 😂let’s say I want to teach taekwondo and blend in some of that Kempo and Bjj,how would I do that without the other to taking over?
@@AyeJordan7 Although it’s been over a year since I’ve made that comment, your point is well taken. If I remember correctly, my concern was not with the fact that BJJ techniques were blended into the art, but rather that in this particular video, BJJ has over taken the art. They clash, and go straight to the ground for BJJ style sparring. If I remember correctly, I had addressed this with a previous comment made by someone. There is nothing wrong with identifying a weakness in a persons system, and trying to address it. I only meant that the solution should entail the primary art as the catalyst. For a ‘blending’ to occur, some elements of American Kenoo must be present, or otherwise how is it a blending? Like I stated before, if I teach boxing, and decide to blend in wrestling to address ground fighting, but when it comes time to spar / pressure test / whatever one wishes to call it, and my students immediately clash, and begin to wrestle the entirety of the sparring lesson, do I still say it is boxing? Do I tell others come watch a boxing match that shows no boxing, but rather wrestling...is it really a form of modified boxing? I realize most will disagree with me, and I am a nobody, giving an opinion that means nothing. But thanks for commenting. 😜👍🏼🇺🇸
Really? I see parts of techniques all over. I am only a yellow belt in American Kenpo myself but my Sifu teaches the techniques from the perspective of muscle memory and reinforcing the basics of the art. No fight ever goes according to plan more so now more than ever with people from different styles cross training and testing techniques and practices against resisting opponents. Fights are not beautiful most of the time they are messy.
@@Mrred11789 really, do you see kenpo techniques? I was blue belt and i didnt see kenpo techiniques, when I fight I always tried to apply kenpo techniques and it mean to kick the groin or knee, and hit with 3 movements because sincerely I couldn't hit more tan 3 times, 3 times and back...
@@Victor-jk6it The key phrase is parts. The way I have been taught is not to treat the techniques as reality but to teach movement fundamentals. You are almost never going to perform strking serpents head as described. That being said what does tha technique teach/train. I'll give three as an example. 1. Bracing if someone is charging you brace and grab if you cant get out of the way. 2. Strike or retaliate, dont wait for you opponent retaliate with what you can. Punches, elbows knees or if your a bjj guy find a means to get them to the ground. I actually realized3i combined point 2-3 being grabbing/getting control and retaliating. My main point being that at least I was taught is that the techniques are a means of teaching fundamentals not how a fight will go and that's why we spar.
It's a demo I'd say rather than a match but they cannot strike either way.What surprises me is that theres no kenpo techs used at all,what have these guys been training in all this time.
In Kenpo Karate they kick to the groin. I can't help but wonder and feel sorry about the guys that are on the receiving end of those. Especially from their female partners nothing more embarrassing and humiliating than a tiny woman making a man cry. Some women do take advantage of weak areas.
Please more videos of sparrings of Kenpo 5.0 so the world can know what is this style!
That day there was Zero Kenpo done. It literally turns into kickboxing and Jujitsu.
It’s hard for me to tell, but how hard are these practitioners going? Is it full contact, stamina pending? Or 50%? Etc.?
Sir, This is not my style, but it is based on what people told me there. It's dependent on specific school expectations.
I just do jiu jitsu and karate it works better I think. I still wanna try kenpo 5.0 though
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Well they hop around and throw jab crosses....so what's the point of all the 15 move techniques??
Is this American Kenpo's future? Because to be honest, it looks like all anyone wants to do is BJJ in these American Kenpo matches. If that's the case, why study American Kenpo? Just go join a Brazillian jiujitsu school. I see absolutely ZERO Kenpo in these fights. I realize you can't elbow a face, or break a knee in tournament sparring, but If you spar like tournament fighters, and spar like BJJ, then you will never use American Kenpo the way it is suppose to be used. You're natural instincts will revert the way your spar. I wonder how Ed Parker would feel, if he was still alive, to see his art of street fighting, changed into BJJ with a few punches and kicks. Yes American Kenpo needs to address ground fighting, but not in a way that relegates American Kenpo to secondary status (if even that), and BJJ the primary. Like I said before, if that's the case, just join a BJJ school.
I wholeheartedly agree. I studied Kenpo for 4 years back in the 90's, and then again for a few years about 4yrs ago. I still love the art and theoretical aspects of Kenpo, and it is very possible that these people (also) are nervous so, as you said, it devolves into grappling. Which, brings us to modern MMA. You have to be well-rounded. I studied some BJJ (catch wrestling) and boxing, and to be honest, boxing for me is my favorite. I am still going to be loyal to Kenpo, and I can see value in it. But yeah, you have to get some ground skills in too.
have you considered the reason there is no kenpo specific techs in live sparring is because they do not work under pressure.What youre seeing here is that all styles that arent built on full contact sparring with grappling devolve into very bad looking mma under pressure,I first saw this in the first UFC in 1993.Ed parker and all the other kenpo masters never pressure tested their techs,they evolved in a purely theoretical framework with no feedback from stress testing.In contrast look at muay thai,leithwei,wrestling and bjj,judo,traditional arts that under pressure look exactly the way they train because they start with pressure testing and a theory of traing is developed from that,not arse backwards like most arts .
@@scarred10 I understand what you mean...believe me I do. I first started out in I.T.F. Tae Kwon Do, and thought i knew everything, until i learned that i didn't, and then cross trained. Now that I am old, I train for love of art more then anything, but what I was trying to point out is that if you decided to learn American Kenpo, Taekwondo, Karate, Kung Fu, etc... then learn that art first, and then add to it in cross training. If one wants to learn MMA or BJJ, then do that. To take an established art and change it to the point that it isnt even recognisable anymore, just makes it NOT that art. Don't get me wrong, I believe in adaptation, and bettering the art...that's how many styles developed, but in this case, it just looks like MMA or BJJ, with no hints of American Kenpo. They clash, and go straight to the ground. Hence, why not just learn an art that teaches that, rather then an art that only takes bits of it. If you are blending ground fighting with American Kenpo, then American Kenpo should be the primary art, and the ground fighting portions added should blend into it, and not overtake it. Imagine boxers decided to train kicking with their boxing skills, and implimented those new kicks into the boxing arena for championships. Would it still be boxing? No, it would be kickboxing...a sport and fighting style that already exists. Add elbows and knees, and you have Muay Thai. Add ground fighting and you have MMA. You would be destroying the very nature of what makes boxing boxing. That being said, I hear you, and I believe to each its own. If they choose to do this, more power to them, but My comments were on the observation of what I saw being called American Kenpo in an upgraded version, because make no mistake about it, Jeff Speakman trained directly under Ed Parker, and is teaching that art...and I get that self defense and fighting are two seperate entities. But I just don't see the American Kenpo part...only MMA and BJJ...This is only my opinion that means precious little. Now to your comment on if American Kenpo can be implimented or not on the street, I'll leave that up to debate for others. All I can say is that it has worked for me against average people. If I was fighting well trained fighters, I cannot say since I have never come accross one. Contrary to the TV world, very few people are trained to the level of BJJ or MMA fighters. Or for that fact, very few people train at all. All that being said, thanks for your comments. We all have experiences that influence our thoughts, and I can see you also have been affected, as I had been, by the first UFC fight. In the end, we all love the arts, so lets keep training. :)
@@Manuel-hv5qj this comment was beautiful but I’m confused on one thing my friend,so let’s say I have black belt rank in taekwondo,Kempo mixed with Bjj which I do 😂let’s say I want to teach taekwondo and blend in some of that Kempo and Bjj,how would I do that without the other to taking over?
@@AyeJordan7 Although it’s been over a year since I’ve made that comment, your point is well taken. If I remember correctly, my concern was not with the fact that BJJ techniques were blended into the art, but rather that in this particular video, BJJ has over taken the art. They clash, and go straight to the ground for BJJ style sparring. If I remember correctly, I had addressed this with a previous comment made by someone. There is nothing wrong with identifying a weakness in a persons system, and trying to address it. I only meant that the solution should entail the primary art as the catalyst. For a ‘blending’ to occur, some elements of American Kenoo must be present, or otherwise how is it a blending? Like I stated before, if I teach boxing, and decide to blend in wrestling to address ground fighting, but when it comes time to spar / pressure test / whatever one wishes to call it, and my students immediately clash, and begin to wrestle the entirety of the sparring lesson, do I still say it is boxing? Do I tell others come watch a boxing match that shows no boxing, but rather wrestling...is it really a form of modified boxing? I realize most will disagree with me, and I am a nobody, giving an opinion that means nothing. But thanks for commenting. 😜👍🏼🇺🇸
Where are the 15 combinations counter to the 1 punch. No where to be seen.
I cant see any kenpo techniques ...
Really? I see parts of techniques all over. I am only a yellow belt in American Kenpo myself but my Sifu teaches the techniques from the perspective of muscle memory and reinforcing the basics of the art. No fight ever goes according to plan more so now more than ever with people from different styles cross training and testing techniques and practices against resisting opponents. Fights are not beautiful most of the time they are messy.
@@Mrred11789 really, do you see kenpo techniques? I was blue belt and i didnt see kenpo techiniques, when I fight I always tried to apply kenpo techniques and it mean to kick the groin or knee, and hit with 3 movements because sincerely I couldn't hit more tan 3 times, 3 times and back...
@@Victor-jk6it The key phrase is parts. The way I have been taught is not to treat the techniques as reality but to teach movement fundamentals. You are almost never going to perform strking serpents head as described. That being said what does tha technique teach/train. I'll give three as an example. 1. Bracing if someone is charging you brace and grab if you cant get out of the way. 2. Strike or retaliate, dont wait for you opponent retaliate with what you can. Punches, elbows knees or if your a bjj guy find a means to get them to the ground. I actually realized3i combined point 2-3 being grabbing/getting control and retaliating. My main point being that at least I was taught is that the techniques are a means of teaching fundamentals not how a fight will go and that's why we spar.
@@Mrred11789 ok thanks for your feedback, have a nice day.
@@Victor-jk6it Thank you sir!
Абсолютно согласен коллеги . Это уже не Кенпо . Ударка почти бокс и ногами ничего серьезного... Балет. А потом тупо в партер....ну где все???!!!
So the striking looks to coaprative reminds me of point karate sparring which is useless in street fights. But the grappling looks legit.
It's a demo I'd say rather than a match but they cannot strike either way.What surprises me is that theres no kenpo techs used at all,what have these guys been training in all this time.
@@scarred10 so basically kenpo is useless in the streets
@@dejohnnelacy254 nah my school trains in jiu jitsu separately and has hard contact sparring
Legit as in legit BJJ white belts? The BJJ looks trash and the Karate looks like Karate, not bad, but not great.
Para hacer eso, entrena bjj y boxeo...
In Kenpo Karate they kick to the groin. I can't help but wonder and feel sorry about the guys that are on the receiving end of those. Especially from their female partners nothing more embarrassing and humiliating than a tiny woman making a man cry. Some women do take advantage of weak areas.