@@Da-Queen-Bee It's apparently Phil's message from Discord which was read through using an AI voice Plus, regardless of whether this instance is true or false, the fact that one close friend died and another was outed as an abuser is really sad
@@nobodys_here07 I know, I’ve had 3 friends I looked up to physically and verbally abused me and a friend who was caught selling drugs, I know the feeling of finding out friends are pieces of shit, but send love to Shelby she deserves it and I don’t like how people are more focused on Wilbur’s friends responses rather than trying to send help to people who need it
@@TheCreativen.1 I was gonna joke about how it makes sense for Wilbur to be gross asf hygiene and cleaning wise cause he uses 2 in 1 shampoo but I thought it was too far
he said he's going to address it all when he's ready. we have no right to pressure him. lad got out of surgery a week ago, he's still grieving techno's death, he's going through a lot right now and we all know.
I hope Charlie and Quackity are okay. Obviously I feel bad for Shelby, like that’s always an unspoken thing, 24/7. But Charlie and Quackity were extremely close to Wilbur and I think at some point Wilbur called Charlie his closest online friend. I hope Charlie is doing okay, and with the recent video Quackity put out, I hope he is too.
He has four kids, not five anymore - techno (forever and always) - Tommy - Chayanne QSMP - Tallulah QSMP (tbh she was never really will’s egg anyway. He logged on like five times max it seemed like, while Phil was there daily for all of her and chayanne’s tasks. I don’t even follow Phil and I know that)
Poor Phil. I hope he knows he has done nothing wrong and that his streams ARE and have always been a safe space for all his fans. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ #supportshubblesquad And Support anyone and everyone affected by this ❤
It's shit cause they were almost like a family, the Sbi, and now look at them, Techno's dead, Wilbur's an 'abuser' (he isnt), Tommy went on tour, and then there's Phil, still streaming, still playing minecraft and still trying to be there for everyone..
@@Netherinnit further explanation on tbe injuries cause i did shob job: people tried to brush them off as music instruments related, but he has never been seen with the injuries before he dated shelby or after, only during, and they are also on his neck, not just his hands (not even on his fingers where it would make the most sense for his instrument) etc. Shelby IS the abuser, not the victim.
@@DistortedDissonance yeah, I read about it lately, and I feel so bad that he went thru that, but still tried to keep the peace afterwards by just saying it's him
This is actually so freaking sad. I really hope Phil and Tommy are doing well. Tommy recently made a video about his health but didn’t mention this.i don’t even know how to respond to all of this. It’s disgusting. I used to love SBI, now it’s all breaking apart. Wishing Phil, Tommy, Shelby, and any other victims a speedy recovery.
And Phil continues to be a kind soul and supports Shelby, put his (possibly now non-existent) friendship with Wilbur Soot (he doesn't deserve to be called Will by me anymore). I love our Dadza so much. 😊
I don't even call him Wilbur Soot anymore. Wilbur Soot was a persona created by William Gold for us to love. Wilbur Soot was perfect, because he wasn't real. I'm sure he would've been just as loving, caring, and kind as we thought he was, if only he was real. William Gold knew what he was doing. He's a manipulator. We were all manipulated. William Gold can never be the person that Wilbur Soot was.
@@Sebastian62608 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the commenter literally said, "I don't support will." they openly expressed they didn't support Wilbur. They are referring to when Philza said, "Always believe victims," and they are not directly referring to Wilbur or Shelby. They are just talking about "Always believe victims" as a whole.
“I am light years behind him.” That made me so happy to hear her say that. I have never followed Shelby that closely but I have kept up with her from time to time for a good few years now and I have always appreciated her as a person and content creator. I support her 100%, it would be insane not to. I am incredibly happy and proud that she has found the ability to come forward with her story. DA is an incredibly hard thing to talk about. I personally have never experienced such a thing but I did have a friend who did and it has impacted her a great deal. I just want to say again that I’m very glad to see Shelby move past her relationship with Wilbur and reach a new place for herself in her life. She is a beautiful person who did not deserve to endure what she did in this relationship. DA should never be defined as something that is ‘violent enough’ because it sometimes does take a more subtle form. Good for Shelby again and I wish all the best to anyone who has gone through da or currently is. Always know that you are loved and you are simply enough to deserve a love that is pure and genuine.
Shes got a history of lying about exes. And even admited to never removing consent, or actually having issues woth the safe word, estially reenforcing what wilbur said, only having a a dislike for pain from a low pain tolerance and bitng hurts so, she could have jyst told him she did like it but admited to only continuous consenting. So she basiclaly admitted to not actially being abused.
Wow wait a minute this case is clear cut but don’t always believe victims that’s a dangerous mentality and can lead to false accusations destroying someone’s life. Use your brain and reasoning to determine if a victim is really a victim
100.% i remember back when kwite (another youtuber) was being accused and people on twitter were dropping nonsense like "guilty until proven innocent" and "always believe victims" and less than a week later he dropped a video showing his face (something he never wanted to do until she doxxed it) and talking for like 2 or 3 hours completely proving it was a lie.
@@inksinkanimates8921 yes but you missed the point. the point was you shouldn’t necessarily “always believe victims” because that mentality inherently defends those who wrongly accuse others
Honestly i was scrolling through and that's how i found out.. This broke my heart dude wilbur was a huge inspiration and it even re-lit a passion of wanting to play the guitar.. He was someone i found comfort in watching his content and this is truly so messed up. I really hope Shelby is doing better and anyone who reads this i really hope you can agree not only Shelby but so many others deserves so much care at this time
I know this might not change your opinion on this situation but, Wilbur only admitted to being slobbish and selfish. He did not admit to the consensual biting. When they were dating, Shelby posted a lot of pictures with him and her. She weared very revealing clothes and there was no bruises. Even if she covered them with makeup, Shelby's cousin actually told that Shelby abused Wilbur. She said detail by detail. Also, if you look in those photos, Wilbur looked miserably and he had lots of bruises. Wilbur just doesn't l really try to manage the situation. I don't really know why. Shubble only takes advantage of this situation to get more followers.
Would be like a Voice Over Pete situation on his side, not really say much about it, but unfollow and stop all contact. Techno being the sort of guy to stay out of trouble
“Believe victims always” How about Caiti painting George as a terrible guy who has committed assault when that’s clearly far from the truth. Believe real victims, like in Shelby’s case. But not fake ones with lackluster evidence.
Or the Dream allegations. Not a huge fan of Dream but people were hating on him for so long because of the accusation when they most likely weren't true.
I can’t imagine how hard it must be to find out one of your good friends is a bad person, knowing that people expect you to do something about it. People probably expect you to cut the person out of your life but it’s hard when you’ve been friends for years
He never admitted to the abuse.i want you to reread his response CAREFULLY.he never EVER admitted to purposefully abusing shelby,also niki could be lying aswell,its crazy what people do for fame.id recommend you look heavy into the evidence supporting both sides and you’ll see a lack from shelby and alot more supporting wilbur
Its rlly sad to see that a genuine rlly funny guy , and a all around legend was a seriously bad person. I rlly loved watching wilbur soot. His career is basically over. Its sad. But i stand with the victims.
Well not "over" per se. Anyone with a big enough fanbase will have enough fanatics to keep afloat. But its definitly going to leave stains on the internet for a loooooong time, take him down a peg or two, and make it incredibly hard to grow to any true popularity without it hitting back again. Theres a time for everything, a time to blame, a time to punish, and a time for reinsertion into society even if ever more awkward and under constant suspicion if not kept at certain distance. Stand with the victim in this case, but no reason to go above and beyond to hate on the guy besides unfollowing him and blocking him god knows to many people harass others on the net over stuff like this, doing it to a bad person wont make you a good person. Probably never will come back on the minecraft community however (mostly dominated by young people who would know him well, gonna take a very long time for them to grow out of it)
The sbi has fallen apart. I hate it. Poor phil and Tommy, first they suffered techno's death, and now this, Phil probably feels so bad, his child figure, is a goddamn abuser, and meanwhile Tommy probably is so confused, his best friend, his brother figure is a horrible person, I can't believe I loved Wilbur so much.
why? to me “believe victims always” just means always believe a victims story. it doesnt imply “always attack the accused without any proof” it just means that there are some cases where youd rather have offered your condolences to a possible liar than denounced a possibly real victim when theyve just come out with the story of possibly the worst thing thats ever happened to them. id rather believe a victim and refrain from interacting with the accused until something is proven 🤷♀️ this is just how it is when you live in a society where 1/3 women and 1/4 men experience abuse.
“Believe victims always” is a scary idea to be spreading because that sentence implies the victims are already proven to be victims. In the case of Wilbur Soot it seems that the allegations are true, but we shouldn’t be saying stupid things like “believe all victims”.
@@mrsxp0tt3h That was a fake story. Her only cousin is a dude, who just also happens to also be named Shelby. Taught a lot of us that the name "Shelby" is gender neutal
I think that the phrase is more so don’t discredit victims even if they’re accusing your fav like believe them when they tell you what happened because a lot of the time people tend to find any reason for the fav to not do the things they did even if they did do it
@Jaz_3 I dont care about intentions I care about results. That phrase is dangerous, if you believe someone is guilty of something then bring evidence to the table instead of saying believe all victims. If you want to use a phrase like that then find one that doesnt have illogical implications. The way we talk is important, you dont want there to be a barrier between your message and the people that disagree with it, and phrases like this always act as a barrier, making people think you have no way to argue your side and thus have to result to phrases
Agreed. The way a just system is designed to work is on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. However you should take what a supposed victim claims seriously and do your due diligence to verify either there claims or to expose there potential lies
She provided no evidence tho. How can we truly see her as a victim. And why on earth talk about it online instead of calling the cops? In my eyes Will is innocent until proven guilty. That's how the law works after all.
Brooo... Believe victims always, that's what you say? Come on, there are lots of people just making up stories like that in order to get attention and money. I don't know the situation here, but "Believe Victims Always"?
Just something I wanna say, instead of putting a picture of Philza himself put a picture of the message because people might think that because it's read by AI it's not real.
I know that Shelby came forward but after watching all her vids she was wearing revealing clothes and there were no marks or signs of abuse but Wilbur had some bruises and scars so I'm sorry but I'm Wilbur's side...
These are all the reasons I believe Wilbur is innocent 1. While they were dating Wilbur has been seen on streams with slap marks and bruises and shubble didn’t have any wich most people say that it was actually shubble abusing Wilbur 2. People are like oh but does have a biting problem he did bite people as a joke but never on purpose no one got mad at him for it no one really cared and shubble took advantage of that she knew that Wilbur had a history of biting and in her video she said biting because she knew that Wilbur had that history to make people believe it 3. Shubble wore bikinis short sleeves shorts while they were dating and there were no signs of bite marks or bruises and she never looked uncomfortable while she was dating him 4. If it was so bad why didn’t shubble talk about it earlier when she posted the video they had already been broken up for a couple months why would she wait and only open up in February meaning she waited for this year to ruin Wilbur’s career for this year 5.Shubble has done this same thing to her other ex’s and has accused them of abuse she’s done this multiple times and people still decide to support her 6. we all make mistakes in life and that is fully okay but I just don’t think that Wilbur ever fully abused shubble. I think that shubble was abusing Wilbur, because he was seen really injured during his streams while they were dating. But it wasn’t a biting form of abuse. Will was seen with bruises and slap marks and a black eye while they were dating in some of his streams. 7. I know joking isn’t an excuse for biting which to that I messed up my words, I believe Wilbur was biting but not in a way he really meant to hurt shubble he was biting because it was a problem he was facing and in his apology he stated that he is in therapy now for his problem of biting because he has done it in the past. I don’t believe Wilbur was trying to abuse anyone because Niki was Wilbur’s friend so I believe it was kinda like an addiction type situation. If after all this u still support shubble we’re not cool
"Always believe victim" And they might lie about everything. 💀 How do ppl not know that... It's sad to see how many ppl, even his closest turned on against him just hearing ONE SIDE. of the story. And Shelby didn't have proofs too Support wilbur team! >:0
It has really ruined me all this, first Techno and now Wilbur abusing Shubble. I’m scared something will be around Ranboo or Tommy after all this. I don’t know if I can take having to lose one of them too
I don’t like the believe victims always thing because that is a really dumb thing to do considering all the false allegations that have happened and ruined peoples lives
'Believe victims-- always' Uhh? Please don't believe everything somebody says. Otherwise, yeah, support Shelby until we're given a reason not to, I guess?
Now, it's important to believe people, but in other situations as showcased with Johnny Depp, that the "victim" isn't always the victim. However, in this situation it isn't that way, but I believe it's important to know that for other possible situations.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but don't always believe the "victim". I have been accused of SA twice, I spoke to the school counsellor and she said she was ask the "victim" about it on both occasions, they both said to her that I was lying and that they hadn't said anything of the sorts but it was well known around the school that they had been saying this, because of this I have lost almost all my friends and I am in the process of moving schools. Moral of the story is don't always believe the victim and don't make up stories.
'Believe victims always' hits hard. Yes, I believe in innocent until proven guilty but also believe things should be taken seriously before proved also. Furthermore, Wilbur has admitted to it meaning he is indeed guilty.
Actually he admited to them talking it out and she turning around and consenting again, and she...now actually is just parroting that minus the fact she had a low pakn tolerance doesnt like pain ergo its abuse
Sometimes audio is better for certain people. If one would like to know more they would look for more info somewhere else. It’s hard to speak about certain topics so this is probably why he only used text. I personally would have a hard time talking about something like this especially something so personal.
@@V1DE0-STARZ Is it really disrespectful? It is his words but put into an audio form. Is it disrespectful for blind people to turn words into audio form. It isn’t even slander so what is your problem? This is not being used for bad purposes and is helping spread awareness to this situation.
@@creamieswirl im not going against it being text, and im even okay using ai voices for it. God knows theres a hundred to choose from on tiktok. My issue is using his voice. Taking someones voice like that can cause issues, and further supports ai like that. Supporting ai like that can and most definitely will lead to someone making it sound like he said something horrendous.
@@JustMe_ Well it’s quite easy to tell the difference between them so far. Yes it is bad in the wrong hands, but you can always try to confirm what was said to be true or not. The words, “AI voice over” should be put into the title so one could know it wasn’t spoken rather written by him.
This is so random but Dream is a hypocrite. He gets false allegations and says: “always ask questions” but then these allegations happened, and he didn’t question a single thing-
If you’re wondering. This is real. He put this word for word in his discord. They just added an AI voice. Truly devastating to know that he and everyone frankly- has to deal with someone they once considered a friend ending up this way. I wish everyone who had to deal with this, nothing but the best.
@@Tirrynaand then debunked! By shelby herself! She said she never removed consent and the safeword wasnt an issue actually in a later stream- just she dowsnt have a high pain tolerence and didnt like pain as much as she thought and biting, well, hurts. Thats it.
I'd say don't always believe "victims" because they could be lying and then the victims could make up more things to get the perpetrator in trouble but I've rarely if ever seen the second one happen
Besides the last line about believe victims always, everything else sounds pretty fair. Not condoning Wilbur or anything but the idea of always believing the victim is dangerous because not every time is the person actually a victim. Again not say saying Wilbur is or isn’t guilty or anything
There are pictures with Shelby and Wilbur. Wilbur has more bruises and in a picture he took with her he looked like he was going to cry. And, I'm pretty sure someone found out that Shelby accused her ex of the same exact thing. Also, Shelby has been said to make fun of mental illnesses and encourage death threats towards Wilbur. I am neutral for now, since I still need more evidence for it. Also, if someone replies and says "oMg wIlBuR lItErAlLy AdMiTtEd tO iT" no he didn't. He admitted to biting consesually. He never admitted biting her to the point of abuse.
"I'm pretty sure," dude you didn't bother to look this information up yourself. Your just whistle blowing what other people had said. The ex thing is completely bs, she never accused any of her ex's. Also the mental illnesses claim is completely baseless. She said that mental illness ISN'T AN EXCUSE TO HURT SOMEONE! Making fun of it is NOT the same thing. And the death threats. She made it very clear and told everyone to stop sending death threats. She can't control what other people say on the internet. You say your neutral, yet you are willing to spread false information. Actually look up and fact check the claims before saying them as truth.
@@kaylacrowson5216 I’m sorry, but this is what I got FROM research. I’m not trying to start an argument or something, but can I have some evidence from your side too? I’ll say nothing more than this, since yet again I’m not trying to start anything.
Im not defending Willbur, but im going to stay neutral, he didnt spoke much about it and we dont know his side of the story. I dont wanna support someone based on a one side story
I don't trust all victims but i do trust most. If i dont trust it must have been proven false by atleast 1 person not directly involved but can show proof that isn't edited faked
Many ppl actually turns out he’s pretty abusive to everyone fans have said he jokingly shoves them or twist their wrist and other RUclipsrs say he’s aggressive aswell
More than one person. Several women have come out sharing their stories of the abuse they faced at his hands including, but not limited to, painful biting and ignoring safe words.
2nd born dies, 1st born get calls out for abuse. The last one remains and the last one is Tommy. These 4 had a great family like relationship and seeing them fall apart hurts😢.. I wish the best❤
To outlive one’s your child is already one of the cruelest twists of fate a person can endure… but to have to tell your child that they’re not gonna make it… to not only let go of your own hope, but to have to break your child’s hope, because you know they would want to say goodbye… I cannot imagine how much that hurts. In a horrible way, I’m glad Technodad was able to do what needed to be done. And with only 8 hours to spare. I’m glad he was able to get through to Techno and help him focus up despite him being on the brink, and in a distracting environment. I’m glad in a selfish way, because we were 8 hours away from never hearing from Techno again. But I’m also glad for Techno’s sake, because he was 8 hours away from missing his last chance to say his goodbyes to us. It would have been a weight on his conscience that I’m glad he was able to shed in his final moments. I just finished rewatching the potato war trilogy. It was bittersweet, but it still made me smile, even though my own life is in shambles. Thank you, Technoblade. For doing what seemed impossible, even now. And thank you, Technodad. For doing what needed to be done. I’m so, so sorry that it was necessary at all. And thank you, Technomom. Your letter to us means a lot. It seems there’s not much in the way of comments about it or addressed to you, but it reached our hearts all the same.
I like how all his friends turned against him because they just are too scared to lose their fame for standing up for their friend or feeling bad for their friend
I'm going to avoid anything related to this topic from here on out because I myself am a victim of abuse, though it was not from a lover, but someone else and it makes me physically and emotionally uncomfortable to hear that a person I have looked up to and watched for my entire life has done something so horrible and cruel. I feel terrible that there are good people in the world that are stuck in these terrible circumstances. I am sorry for everyone of Wilbur's friends and family because someone they are close with and trust has hurt someone that they are also close with. I hope that Shelby is alright and will be able to move on from this horrible situation.
I think i will get hate comments but here.... Story: so wilbur soot and shelby shubble were dating after they broke up shelby was so mad she made up lies about wilbur of thinking he bit her but he didnt he would get bruises by her in the pictures him with shelby there are marks eveywhere on him while he is smiling in pain😢 she said fake rumors abt wilbur biting her locking her in his house or him abusing the locking her in his house thing he was still living with his parents and biting was not abusing shubble was okay with that so she let him bit her she told him to share fake rumors shubble is the kind of woman to tell kids to kill themselves and do su!c!d3 and say very mean things about mental health and just left it alone and not do something about it she killed 15 kids rip😭 so you should not judge if youve never looked it up And i will comment back when i hear news about this❤ STAY SAFE!!
''shubble is the kind of woman to tell kids to kill themselves and do su!c!d3 and say very mean things about mental health and just left it alone and not do something about it she killed 15 kids rip'' Lol what??
You gotta investigate before you 100% believe in the victim men that’s how innocent men get put in prison and their lives ruined forever, not defending him. I’m just stating the facts in the obvious.
not trying to be rude but what difference does it make to you? it certainly makes no difference to the man in question who's currently resting in peace.
@@endless_sandsstumbled back across this just now, but are you seriously saying that all emotion is voided just because 'it doesn't make a difference'? I feel what I feel. That's all I ever claimed.
@@CoRLex-jh5vxi mean, actually shelby basically withdrew the claims and now just parroting what wilbur said happened with the knly addition of, i have a low pain tolerence and donf like pain, biting hurts, even though i consent and agreed to this, its actually abuse somehow Whoop whoop
I literally had no idea Wilbur fell off until this vid just got recommended to me, I actually forgot about him for like the past half year or more. Honestly... why is it almost ALWAYS the creators that I genuinely like who either become or already were terrible people? Smh... It's a damn shame as I always loved his character in Tommy's Minecraft mod vids, his synergy with Slimecicle, and many more previously charming and hilarous roles he had with others. What a damn shame it is.
I'm with Phil all the way, But.. "Believe Victims always" Mentality stuffs is not a good advise For a good example --- Vic Mignogna False Allegation Johnny Depp False Allegation
Exactly. “Believe victims always” is assuming that they’re actually victims. But if you have already proven that they are a victim, there’s no need to “believe” because it’s already been confirmed. But what he means is “Always believe accusations” which is severely flawed. Nobody should disregard the accusations, but you can’t believe them until they’re proven.
i know about the shubble abuse allegations, but what did he mean when he said other victims? was he meaning all victims or was shubble not the only person wilbur abused?
@@ET_Zombiethis was debunked, the bars werent even open for indoor activities that year, half the year they were closed all together the other half it out door exclusively meaning there would have been witnesses. Additionally social distancing was a still a huge thing. Its highly unlikely it happened at all, if she said 2019 or 2022, maybe but no. She said the one of two years where its very unlikely it happened at all for the year she claimed this happened.
On that last part “always believe the victims” isn’t always true… a great case of this is what happened with kwite and lui calibre (they were different situations btw with different people) (I may be wrong I’m not sure what exactly happened) but kwite made a video defending himself and calling the “victim” out while lui calibre has played games with vannos for a while now and in one game of life vid when terrioriser made a joke saying “the texts were real!” Maybe this could lead to the whole thing being fake who knows I think it was fake but idk (NVM IT WASNT FAKE)
This really makes me wonder how Tommy is doing him and Wilbur were basically best friends he hasn't responded to any of Wilbur's allegations it feels like he just doesn't know this also makes me wonder Tommy could have been manipulated by Wilbur so many times and he wouldn't have known it since he trusted him
i doubt thats gunna happen considering multiple other people have come out and said that he wilbur has done that to them and stuff. also all the evidence supports shelby. i understand if u really liked wilbur and watched his videos a ton but turning you back on ABUSE is just wrong.
its so sad when this shit happens. obviously its very hard for the victims, becuase some will believe you and some wont. but honestly, its much easier to believe that someone is trying to ruin a famous person's career than believe the person they looked up to is a monster. and for some the opposite is true. its easier to believe someone you hated is a monster than believe their innocent. things like this really goes to show that these kind of actions effect more than just one person. it doesnt just hurt the victim although they are the one who have it worse. a part of me was really hoping that this would be like the dream situation but oh well. i hope philza, tommy, shelby, and everyone else are doing ok.
I’m honestly surprised and so disappointed. I listened to Your City Gave Me Asthma constantly when I was going through a bit of a tough time and it really got me through it. Again I’m so disappointed.
When i knew the case i didn't whatch any videos about it yet and because of Cellbits case a few months ago i actually believed that Wilbur was being falsely accused because i just really trusted him, but after knowing the full story and reading Wilbur's "apology" i feel nothing but disgust towards him. Stay strong Shelby!
Philza is both right and wrong at the same time. He is right to show his support to Shelby. When I first heard about this, I didn't jump to conclusions. Remember to always get information before you go to conclusions. Phil said to always support victims, but do it when there is proof beyond doubt that they are indeed the victim. With all these people claiming to be victims of stuff without evidence, you can't be too careful.
@@WOMENNN-61524 My point being that there are many instances where women claim to be the victim, when in reality they are not. A great example of this would be Amber Heard. The bottom line is, support when there is evidence, which in Wilbur's case, there was proof against him. But in other cases if there is no proof that someone is a victim, don't support or neglect them, just walk away and leave it be for others.
@@seththedanklord3648 oh ok also im sorry the reply i posted was not meant to be rude but readin g it back it sounded rude. other people in this comment section were pissing me off so i was just mad. very sorry about that
@@WOMENNN-61524 It's fine. I still can't believe Wilbur did this, but when multiple people come forward, it becomes more believable. You made an honest mistake by jumping to conclusions about what I was trying to convey in my original message (I could have worded it better). As long as you learned your lesson. Have a great day. 👍
I feel like ppl are just ignoring the blatant fact that he’s mentally ill which explains like half of her complaints about him. Like I don’t know much about him but that boy seems to hate himself 💀 like… having mold in your house bc you can’t clean… that is a literal depression symptom?? And I believe he did think biting was playful but idk because I wasn’t there. Idk I feel bad for Shelby because I’m sure that wasn’t easy to deal with, and I’m not saying that mental illness is excusable for shitty behavior, but it makes it more understandable imo NOTE! i also am very sorry for shelby, and i deeply connect as i have gone through similar yep things, but these are just a couple things to note on wilbur. (i am on shelby’s side!)
That's true, but mental illness is an explanation in why he acts that way. It's not a justification on being an abusive boyfriend. And as for the biting, with both Shelby account, and one of Niki older VODS, talks about Wilbur biting habits. Like, if one weaponized their safe words (Shelby experience with Wilbur) into causing their partner more pain, wouldn't that be abusive?
As someone who is mentally Ill and has dealt with mentally Ill partners I can tell you this is not normal Mine and my partners house is an absolute mess, we have biting in our play I have DID autism ADHD anxiety, depression, and he has autism and depression we are there for each other, we stop when asked, and we don’t smile when we hurt each other. WE CRY!!! I ccondradict myself and we can have moments of miscommunication but I’m sorry what Will did wasn’t just because of his mental illness because as someone who does BDSM stuff with biting being a CONSTANT in play when my partner says I’m biting too hard, even if I want to leave a mark you can just loosen your grip and suck. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HURT LIKE LEGIT TO GET HICKIES AND CLAIM MARKS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ABUSE YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER so no, his illness is not an explanation… anyone who truly cares for their partner IMMEDIATELY stops whatever hurts them because depression makes us insecure. This was not being mentally unstable this was definitely intentional.
@@m0thernature730Mental illness affects every human being differently. Including resulting in abusive behavior. I’d like to remind you that psychopathy is….Antisocial personality disorder. A mental disorder. That is often claimed to be a direct cause and effect to unfortunate higher likelihood of abuse. Doesn’t mean it can’t be helped. Doesn’t mean it’s true for everyone. Everyone is capable of change. Just as everyone is capable of the horrors of abuse. Wilbur needs help. He said he’s getting it…hope so. I support Shelby wholeheartedly, but I don’t understand how anyone could *not* wish for Wilbur to ‘get better’.
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It’s a.I but the a.I is reading his text. So it is technically philza
Can confirm, it’s in his discord server.
I knew something seemed off
How do i join@@Branzananza
still not a fan of seeing AI used like this. could have just used regular text to speech without stealing his voice.
@@warriorcatkitty You’re right, but at least we still got the message. That’s all that matters.
This isn’t his voice, but his words. It’s something he posted in text.
Edit: I don’t wanna be that person so I’m not gonna be that person
thank you! I it sounded really fake for a second
Thank you, i was really confused because of the AI voice
wherr can i find his post?
@@luziealyssa5677it was posted in his Discord, I'm pretty sure
Thanks for the clarification
First Techno's death from cancer, now Wilbur being called out for abuse. Hope that Phil is doing well
+tommy and shelby
And Tech never got to know. But it’s probably for the best.
You do know this is fake right?
@@Da-Queen-Bee It's apparently Phil's message from Discord which was read through using an AI voice
Plus, regardless of whether this instance is true or false, the fact that one close friend died and another was outed as an abuser is really sad
@@nobodys_here07 I know, I’ve had 3 friends I looked up to physically and verbally abused me and a friend who was caught selling drugs, I know the feeling of finding out friends are pieces of shit, but send love to Shelby she deserves it and I don’t like how people are more focused on Wilbur’s friends responses rather than trying to send help to people who need it
Just how close wilbur and phil used to be is so sad. I can imagine phil must be feeling so betrayed by this.
If i remember Phil father was also abuser too so he understand what Shelby facing honestly
@@stellarmelody2784If that is true. That is horrific. Especially if Wilbur knew about that and still did what he's done.
Im sure they are together still. No one cares
First, he lost a friend to cancer. And now this. I really hope Phils doing well.
"you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Don’t forget Matthew Adams as well. Phil is really been through alot.
It must hurt to see, someone that was close to being your child, went and did something like this
Dadza is a wee bit madza
@@Shadowdemoninsideyourwallsi agreeza
@@swethaare8804😭
This joking about this situation...
Nah it's okay.
If we don't keep our spirits up with a little hope, trust and irony we'll just get crushed.
@@TheCreativen.1 I was gonna joke about how it makes sense for Wilbur to be gross asf hygiene and cleaning wise cause he uses 2 in 1 shampoo but I thought it was too far
I can’t imagine what tommy is thinking rn…Wilbur was like a big brother to him and he betrayed him…he betrayed everyone..
watching tommy's mod video with Wilbur in it,making me guilty
he said he's going to address it all when he's ready. we have no right to pressure him. lad got out of surgery a week ago, he's still grieving techno's death, he's going through a lot right now and we all know.
@chemicallycalm5878 bro I hope he be fine o7 to him
I hope Charlie and Quackity are okay. Obviously I feel bad for Shelby, like that’s always an unspoken thing, 24/7. But Charlie and Quackity were extremely close to Wilbur and I think at some point Wilbur called Charlie his closest online friend. I hope Charlie is doing okay, and with the recent video Quackity put out, I hope he is too.
This is probably slightly inappropriate but that literally is the dsmp lore.
Philza Responded on discord via text, this is A.I Voice.
They have a discord server or something?
@@Lavender._..Yeah
@@Axxi_yzx can I have IP or invite?
Fuck A.I dude wtf?-
@@Axxi_yzx can I have a IP address to this server or something please?
I swear the whole situation is horrible
now he only has tommy and techno
:(
No techno will always be dadza’s child but yeah
I never thought this cause what would happen next forward though
He has four kids, not five anymore
- techno (forever and always)
- Tommy
- Chayanne QSMP
- Tallulah QSMP (tbh she was never really will’s egg anyway. He logged on like five times max it seemed like, while Phil was there daily for all of her and chayanne’s tasks. I don’t even follow Phil and I know that)
When did he say he drop Will?
Poor Phil. I hope he knows he has done nothing wrong and that his streams ARE and have always been a safe space for all his fans. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
#supportshubblesquad
And
Support anyone and everyone affected by this ❤
Not anymore his mods are banning wss for no reason
It's shit cause they were almost like a family, the Sbi, and now look at them, Techno's dead, Wilbur's an 'abuser' (he isnt), Tommy went on tour, and then there's Phil, still streaming, still playing minecraft and still trying to be there for everyone..
Tommy is only temporarily on tour and Technoblade never dies
Wilbur isnt an abuser, shubble had a history abour lying about exes, and injuries he didnt bave before or after they broke up on his body
@@DistortedDissonance yeah ik, I didn't know it when I wrote this, I'm honestly so worried for Wilbur, and I hope he's alright
@@Netherinnit further explanation on tbe injuries cause i did shob job: people tried to brush them off as music instruments related, but he has never been seen with the injuries before he dated shelby or after, only during, and they are also on his neck, not just his hands (not even on his fingers where it would make the most sense for his instrument) etc.
Shelby IS the abuser, not the victim.
@@DistortedDissonance yeah, I read about it lately, and I feel so bad that he went thru that, but still tried to keep the peace afterwards by just saying it's him
This is actually so freaking sad. I really hope Phil and Tommy are doing well. Tommy recently made a video about his health but didn’t mention this.i don’t even know how to respond to all of this. It’s disgusting. I used to love SBI, now it’s all breaking apart. Wishing Phil, Tommy, Shelby, and any other victims a speedy recovery.
And Phil continues to be a kind soul and supports Shelby, put his (possibly now non-existent) friendship with Wilbur Soot (he doesn't deserve to be called Will by me anymore). I love our Dadza so much. 😊
I don't even call him Wilbur Soot anymore. Wilbur Soot was a persona created by William Gold for us to love. Wilbur Soot was perfect, because he wasn't real. I'm sure he would've been just as loving, caring, and kind as we thought he was, if only he was real. William Gold knew what he was doing. He's a manipulator. We were all manipulated. William Gold can never be the person that Wilbur Soot was.
I don’t support will but “believe victims always” is scary
Especially after the fake tubbo allegations.
If we did I think all of the Dream smp members would be in jail
Correct me if I'm wrong but Will literally admitted to it
@@Sebastian62608 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the commenter literally said, "I don't support will." they openly expressed they didn't support Wilbur. They are referring to when Philza said, "Always believe victims," and they are not directly referring to Wilbur or Shelby. They are just talking about "Always believe victims" as a whole.
@@AratakiittofanOops
Live footage of Wilbur getting disowned
“I am light years behind him.” That made me so happy to hear her say that. I have never followed Shelby that closely but I have kept up with her from time to time for a good few years now and I have always appreciated her as a person and content creator. I support her 100%, it would be insane not to. I am incredibly happy and proud that she has found the ability to come forward with her story. DA is an incredibly hard thing to talk about. I personally have never experienced such a thing but I did have a friend who did and it has impacted her a great deal. I just want to say again that I’m very glad to see Shelby move past her relationship with Wilbur and reach a new place for herself in her life. She is a beautiful person who did not deserve to endure what she did in this relationship. DA should never be defined as something that is ‘violent enough’ because it sometimes does take a more subtle form. Good for Shelby again and I wish all the best to anyone who has gone through da or currently is. Always know that you are loved and you are simply enough to deserve a love that is pure and genuine.
Shes got a history of lying about exes. And even admited to never removing consent, or actually having issues woth the safe word, estially reenforcing what wilbur said, only having a a dislike for pain from a low pain tolerance and bitng hurts so, she could have jyst told him she did like it but admited to only continuous consenting.
So she basiclaly admitted to not actially being abused.
Wow wait a minute this case is clear cut but don’t always believe victims that’s a dangerous mentality and can lead to false accusations destroying someone’s life. Use your brain and reasoning to determine if a victim is really a victim
well said
100.% i remember back when kwite (another youtuber) was being accused and people on twitter were dropping nonsense like "guilty until proven innocent" and "always believe victims"
and less than a week later he dropped a video showing his face (something he never wanted to do until she doxxed it) and talking for like 2 or 3 hours completely proving it was a lie.
Yeah but support a victim but never do anything untill there's proof
wasn't it LITERALLY confirmed by Wilbur that he did it-
@@inksinkanimates8921 yes but you missed the point. the point was you shouldn’t necessarily “always believe victims” because that mentality inherently defends those who wrongly accuse others
I actually started to cry as a victim of abuse (sa and mental) i'm glad to know that Philza will be there.
I don’t know how to feel about all of this anymore, going through a tough time :(
"Believe victims always" is the most stupid thing ive ever heard
Bro your literally calling Phil stupid for standing up against his friends abuse
@@kamusta3446 I didnt say in this particular case. Its a stupid saying/mantra because a lot of innocent people will suffer
THIS IS TO SAD 😭😭😭😭
I know it's ai but it's still sad 😭
Philza did say this but it was a text, they just made it a ai or you so listen to it
@@thevelocityflash I see, thanks
Now SBI is only Phil and Tommy now 🥲 why can’t things go back to the way they were
Honestly i was scrolling through and that's how i found out.. This broke my heart dude wilbur was a huge inspiration and it even re-lit a passion of wanting to play the guitar.. He was someone i found comfort in watching his content and this is truly so messed up. I really hope Shelby is doing better and anyone who reads this i really hope you can agree not only Shelby but so many others deserves so much care at this time
Literally my comfort streamer. I can't believe it
"Believe victims always" and then there's Caiti
I know this might not change your opinion on this situation but, Wilbur only admitted to being slobbish and selfish. He did not admit to the consensual biting. When they were dating, Shelby posted a lot of pictures with him and her. She weared very revealing clothes and there was no bruises. Even if she covered them with makeup, Shelby's cousin actually told that Shelby abused Wilbur. She said detail by detail. Also, if you look in those photos, Wilbur looked miserably and he had lots of bruises. Wilbur just doesn't l
really try to manage the situation. I don't really know why. Shubble only takes advantage of this situation to get more followers.
Imagine if techno was still alive to see that, The Sleepy Bois are literally crumbling apart
Would be like a Voice Over Pete situation on his side, not really say much about it, but unfollow and stop all contact. Techno being the sort of guy to stay out of trouble
“Believe victims always” How about Caiti painting George as a terrible guy who has committed assault when that’s clearly far from the truth. Believe real victims, like in Shelby’s case. But not fake ones with lackluster evidence.
Or the Dream allegations. Not a huge fan of Dream but people were hating on him for so long because of the accusation when they most likely weren't true.
I can’t imagine how hard it must be to find out one of your good friends is a bad person, knowing that people expect you to do something about it. People probably expect you to cut the person out of your life but it’s hard when you’ve been friends for years
DreamSMP came down in the worst way possible. So many of its members facing such problems. I hope Phil stays safe.
What about everyone else
‘Oh well, shubble might of lied’ ‘Wilbur has so much proof’
A. He admitted, literally read his words
B. NIKI WAS A VICTIM OF IT TOO
He never admitted to the abuse.i want you to reread his response CAREFULLY.he never EVER admitted to purposefully abusing shelby,also niki could be lying aswell,its crazy what people do for fame.id recommend you look heavy into the evidence supporting both sides and you’ll see a lack from shelby and alot more supporting wilbur
Its rlly sad to see that a genuine rlly funny guy , and a all around legend was a seriously bad person. I rlly loved watching wilbur soot. His career is basically over. Its sad. But i stand with the victims.
Well not "over" per se.
Anyone with a big enough fanbase will have enough fanatics to keep afloat.
But its definitly going to leave stains on the internet for a loooooong time, take him down a peg or two, and make it incredibly hard to grow to any true popularity without it hitting back again.
Theres a time for everything, a time to blame, a time to punish, and a time for reinsertion into society even if ever more awkward and under constant suspicion if not kept at certain distance.
Stand with the victim in this case, but no reason to go above and beyond to hate on the guy besides unfollowing him and blocking him god knows to many people harass others on the net over stuff like this, doing it to a bad person wont make you a good person.
Probably never will come back on the minecraft community however (mostly dominated by young people who would know him well, gonna take a very long time for them to grow out of it)
The sbi has fallen apart. I hate it. Poor phil and Tommy, first they suffered techno's death, and now this, Phil probably feels so bad, his child figure, is a goddamn abuser, and meanwhile Tommy probably is so confused, his best friend, his brother figure is a horrible person, I can't believe I loved Wilbur so much.
"The worst thing about betrayal is it comes from the people you trust"
"Believe victims always" might be one of the worst advices I've ever heard.
Thank fucking god that at least one person in the comments has a brain!!!!
Cheers my friend!!!
why? to me “believe victims always” just means always believe a victims story. it doesnt imply “always attack the accused without any proof” it just means that there are some cases where youd rather have offered your condolences to a possible liar than denounced a possibly real victim when theyve just come out with the story of possibly the worst thing thats ever happened to them. id rather believe a victim and refrain from interacting with the accused until something is proven 🤷♀️ this is just how it is when you live in a society where 1/3 women and 1/4 men experience abuse.
“Believe victims always” is a scary idea to be spreading because that sentence implies the victims are already proven to be victims. In the case of Wilbur Soot it seems that the allegations are true, but we shouldn’t be saying stupid things like “believe all victims”.
Yeah 100%
shelby never got abused even her own cousin said that.
@@mrsxp0tt3h That was a fake story. Her only cousin is a dude, who just also happens to also be named Shelby. Taught a lot of us that the name "Shelby" is gender neutal
I think that the phrase is more so don’t discredit victims even if they’re accusing your fav like believe them when they tell you what happened because a lot of the time people tend to find any reason for the fav to not do the things they did even if they did do it
@Jaz_3 I dont care about intentions I care about results. That phrase is dangerous, if you believe someone is guilty of something then bring evidence to the table instead of saying believe all victims. If you want to use a phrase like that then find one that doesnt have illogical implications. The way we talk is important, you dont want there to be a barrier between your message and the people that disagree with it, and phrases like this always act as a barrier, making people think you have no way to argue your side and thus have to result to phrases
Bro disowned Wilbur
“Believe victims always” that’s something dangerous to say, it’s not how things works.
Agreed. The way a just system is designed to work is on the basis that you are innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. However you should take what a supposed victim claims seriously and do your due diligence to verify either there claims or to expose there potential lies
I love Phil so much and how he always is thinking of us. I wish him the best and support shelby
DID YOU FUCKING SAY W-w-WILBUR SOOT WHAT!!!!
What
Are you not aware of the situation?
@@hyunjinsanity oh believe me I am. It's not a big deal to say his name
Yep. I would watch some videos explaining the situation, it’s disgusting what he did to Shelby and his other girlfriends.
Why are you stuttering in text this aint 2020 grow the fuck up, and yeah Wilbur abused Shelby and more people.
She provided no evidence tho. How can we truly see her as a victim. And why on earth talk about it online instead of calling the cops? In my eyes Will is innocent until proven guilty. That's how the law works after all.
EXACTLY BRO #wilbursupportsquad
Yeah, Shubble has no proof(but Wilbur does)
Brooo... Believe victims always, that's what you say? Come on, there are lots of people just making up stories like that in order to get attention and money. I don't know the situation here, but "Believe Victims Always"?
Just something I wanna say, instead of putting a picture of Philza himself put a picture of the message because people might think that because it's read by AI it's not real.
I know that Shelby came forward but after watching all her vids she was wearing revealing clothes and there were no marks or signs of abuse but Wilbur had some bruises and scars so I'm sorry but I'm Wilbur's side...
These are all the reasons I believe Wilbur is innocent
1. While they were dating Wilbur has been seen on streams with slap marks and bruises and shubble didn’t have any wich most people say that it was actually shubble abusing Wilbur
2. People are like oh but does have a biting problem he did bite people as a joke but never on purpose no one got mad at him for it no one really cared and shubble took advantage of that she knew that Wilbur had a history of biting and in her video she said biting because she knew that Wilbur had that history to make people believe it
3. Shubble wore bikinis short sleeves shorts while they were dating and there were no signs of bite marks or bruises and she never looked uncomfortable while she was dating him
4. If it was so bad why didn’t shubble talk about it earlier when she posted the video they had already been broken up for a couple months why would she wait and only open up in February meaning she waited for this year to ruin Wilbur’s career for this year
5.Shubble has done this same thing to her other ex’s and has accused them of abuse she’s done this multiple times and people still decide to support her
6. we all make mistakes in life and that is fully okay but I just don’t think that Wilbur ever fully abused shubble. I think that shubble was abusing Wilbur, because he was seen really injured during his streams while they were dating. But it wasn’t a biting form of abuse. Will was seen with bruises and slap marks and a black eye while they were dating in some of his streams.
7. I know joking isn’t an excuse for biting which to that I messed up my words, I believe Wilbur was biting but not in a way he really meant to hurt shubble he was biting because it was a problem he was facing and in his apology he stated that he is in therapy now for his problem of biting because he has done it in the past. I don’t believe Wilbur was trying to abuse anyone because Niki was Wilbur’s friend so I believe it was kinda like an addiction type situation.
If after all this u still support shubble we’re not cool
I 100% agree with you.
Support Wilbur.
"Always believe victim" And they might lie about everything. 💀 How do ppl not know that... It's sad to see how many ppl, even his closest turned on against him just hearing ONE SIDE. of the story. And Shelby didn't have proofs too
Support wilbur team! >:0
@@X_Meira fr
It has really ruined me all this, first Techno and now Wilbur abusing Shubble.
I’m scared something will be around Ranboo or Tommy after all this. I don’t know if I can take having to lose one of them too
shubble was never abused
Everyone gangsta untill its a male victim, dont believe untill proven guilty
I don’t like the believe victims always thing because that is a really dumb thing to do considering all the false allegations that have happened and ruined peoples lives
Is it only me who. Knows philza didnt publicly respond on stream and this is a. AI voice 😭
It’s an ai voice of what he said thru a tweet
'Believe victims-- always'
Uhh? Please don't believe everything somebody says. Otherwise, yeah, support Shelby until we're given a reason not to, I guess?
Now, it's important to believe people, but in other situations as showcased with Johnny Depp, that the "victim" isn't always the victim. However, in this situation it isn't that way, but I believe it's important to know that for other possible situations.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but don't always believe the "victim". I have been accused of SA twice, I spoke to the school counsellor and she said she was ask the "victim" about it on both occasions, they both said to her that I was lying and that they hadn't said anything of the sorts but it was well known around the school that they had been saying this, because of this I have lost almost all my friends and I am in the process of moving schools. Moral of the story is don't always believe the victim and don't make up stories.
'Believe victims always' hits hard. Yes, I believe in innocent until proven guilty but also believe things should be taken seriously before proved also. Furthermore, Wilbur has admitted to it meaning he is indeed guilty.
Actually he admited to them talking it out and she turning around and consenting again, and she...now actually is just parroting that minus the fact she had a low pakn tolerance doesnt like pain ergo its abuse
Hey! This is ai! Dont support ai like this. While phil did say this it was via text, his words but not his voice. Just show the message next time.
Sometimes audio is better for certain people. If one would like to know more they would look for more info somewhere else. It’s hard to speak about certain topics so this is probably why he only used text. I personally would have a hard time talking about something like this especially something so personal.
@@creamieswirlliterally doesn't matter. This isn't him. This is so disrespectful
@@V1DE0-STARZ Is it really disrespectful? It is his words but put into an audio form. Is it disrespectful for blind people to turn words into audio form. It isn’t even slander so what is your problem? This is not being used for bad purposes and is helping spread awareness to this situation.
@@creamieswirl im not going against it being text, and im even okay using ai voices for it. God knows theres a hundred to choose from on tiktok. My issue is using his voice. Taking someones voice like that can cause issues, and further supports ai like that. Supporting ai like that can and most definitely will lead to someone making it sound like he said something horrendous.
@@JustMe_ Well it’s quite easy to tell the difference between them so far. Yes it is bad in the wrong hands, but you can always try to confirm what was said to be true or not. The words, “AI voice over” should be put into the title so one could know it wasn’t spoken rather written by him.
This is so random but Dream is a hypocrite. He gets false allegations and says: “always ask questions” but then these allegations happened, and he didn’t question a single thing-
If you’re wondering. This is real. He put this word for word in his discord. They just added an AI voice. Truly devastating to know that he and everyone frankly- has to deal with someone they once considered a friend ending up this way. I wish everyone who had to deal with this, nothing but the best.
Thank you I would have never been able to have the attention span to read this myself
Don't ALWAYS believe victims....but, definitely support them until it's confirmed.
AAAAND it was confirmed...
@@Tirrynaand then debunked! By shelby herself! She said she never removed consent and the safeword wasnt an issue actually in a later stream- just she dowsnt have a high pain tolerence and didnt like pain as much as she thought and biting, well, hurts. Thats it.
You either die a hero live long enough to see yourself become a villain
I'd say don't always believe "victims" because they could be lying and then the victims could make up more things to get the perpetrator in trouble but I've rarely if ever seen the second one happen
I feel so bad you could hear the pain in his voice and his trying to hold back his emotions since he was good friends with Wilbur
It's an AI
I don’t believe her for some reason
That last line got me twisting af 😤
fuck this shit i love wilbur
I love how dreams allegations everyone: must be fake
Wilbur allegations: Wilbur sucks now that’s definitely real not fake
Besides the last line about believe victims always, everything else sounds pretty fair.
Not condoning Wilbur or anything but the idea of always believing the victim is dangerous because not every time is the person actually a victim. Again not say saying Wilbur is or isn’t guilty or anything
There are pictures with Shelby and Wilbur. Wilbur has more bruises and in a picture he took with her he looked like he was going to cry. And, I'm pretty sure someone found out that Shelby accused her ex of the same exact thing. Also, Shelby has been said to make fun of mental illnesses and encourage death threats towards Wilbur. I am neutral for now, since I still need more evidence for it. Also, if someone replies and says "oMg wIlBuR lItErAlLy AdMiTtEd tO iT"
no he didn't. He admitted to biting consesually. He never admitted biting her to the point of abuse.
"I'm pretty sure," dude you didn't bother to look this information up yourself. Your just whistle blowing what other people had said.
The ex thing is completely bs, she never accused any of her ex's.
Also the mental illnesses claim is completely baseless. She said that mental illness ISN'T AN EXCUSE TO HURT SOMEONE! Making fun of it is NOT the same thing.
And the death threats. She made it very clear and told everyone to stop sending death threats. She can't control what other people say on the internet.
You say your neutral, yet you are willing to spread false information. Actually look up and fact check the claims before saying them as truth.
@@kaylacrowson5216 I’m sorry, but this is what I got FROM research. I’m not trying to start an argument or something, but can I have some evidence from your side too? I’ll say nothing more than this, since yet again I’m not trying to start anything.
NEED I REMEMBER YOU THIS MAN WAS LIKE A FATHER TO HIM SINCE DSMP AND SO ON SO I KNOW THIS HURTS THIS MORE THAN IT HURTS ALL OF US 😡🤯🤯😡🤯🤯😡🤯🤯😡
Im not defending Willbur, but im going to stay neutral, he didnt spoke much about it and we dont know his side of the story. I dont wanna support someone based on a one side story
I don't trust all victims but i do trust most. If i dont trust it must have been proven false by atleast 1 person not directly involved but can show proof that isn't edited faked
Techno: dead
Wilbur: this..
hol up wilbur been hurting someone? i never knew he was the kinda of person to do that
Many ppl actually turns out he’s pretty abusive to everyone fans have said he jokingly shoves them or twist their wrist and other RUclipsrs say he’s aggressive aswell
More than one person. Several women have come out sharing their stories of the abuse they faced at his hands including, but not limited to, painful biting and ignoring safe words.
Technically there's no concrete evidence, since we can't prove that the victim isnt just making shit up.
Idk people say stuff and I can never believe it
@@KittyCat-vo6yr it’s all true
This is the most chat got video I have ever seen
Damn this is sad as shit 🥲 I don’t even watch Minecraft RUclips anymore but man.
2nd born dies, 1st born get calls out for abuse. The last one remains and the last one is Tommy. These 4 had a great family like relationship and seeing them fall apart hurts😢..
I wish the best❤
Believe Victims always is a little ehh
“Don’t worry, he’s not a biter” 💀
It sucks that this is the way things played out. It’s got to be hitting Tommy and Phil the hardest and it’s horrible
To outlive one’s your child is already one of the cruelest twists of fate a person can endure… but to have to tell your child that they’re not gonna make it… to not only let go of your own hope, but to have to break your child’s hope, because you know they would want to say goodbye…
I cannot imagine how much that hurts.
In a horrible way, I’m glad Technodad was able to do what needed to be done.
And with only 8 hours to spare.
I’m glad he was able to get through to Techno and help him focus up despite him being on the brink, and in a distracting environment.
I’m glad in a selfish way, because we were 8 hours away from never hearing from Techno again.
But I’m also glad for Techno’s sake, because he was 8 hours away from missing his last chance to say his goodbyes to us. It would have been a weight on his conscience that I’m glad he was able to shed in his final moments.
I just finished rewatching the potato war trilogy. It was bittersweet, but it still made me smile, even though my own life is in shambles.
Thank you, Technoblade. For doing what seemed impossible, even now.
And thank you, Technodad. For doing what needed to be done. I’m so, so sorry that it was necessary at all.
And thank you, Technomom. Your letter to us means a lot. It seems there’s not much in the way of comments about it or addressed to you, but it reached our hearts all the same.
I like how all his friends turned against him because they just are too scared to lose their fame for standing up for their friend or feeling bad for their friend
I'm going to avoid anything related to this topic from here on out because I myself am a victim of abuse, though it was not from a lover, but someone else and it makes me physically and emotionally uncomfortable to hear that a person I have looked up to and watched for my entire life has done something so horrible and cruel. I feel terrible that there are good people in the world that are stuck in these terrible circumstances. I am sorry for everyone of Wilbur's friends and family because someone they are close with and trust has hurt someone that they are also close with. I hope that Shelby is alright and will be able to move on from this horrible situation.
is it bad I couldn't tell it was A.I??
true, i also didnt even realize till i read the comments
@@joebidenshusband69 It's kind of scary
I didn’t realize
I think i will get hate comments but here....
Story: so wilbur soot and shelby shubble were dating after they broke up shelby was so mad she made up lies about wilbur of thinking he bit her but he didnt he would get bruises by her in the pictures him with shelby there are marks eveywhere on him while he is smiling in pain😢 she said fake rumors abt wilbur biting her locking her in his house or him abusing the locking her in his house thing he was still living with his parents and biting was not abusing shubble was okay with that so she let him bit her she told him to share fake rumors shubble is the kind of woman to tell kids to kill themselves and do su!c!d3 and say very mean things about mental health and just left it alone and not do something about it she killed 15 kids rip😭 so you should not judge if youve never looked it up
And i will comment back when i hear news about this❤ STAY SAFE!!
''shubble is the kind of woman to tell kids to kill themselves and do su!c!d3 and say very mean things about mental health and just left it alone and not do something about it she killed 15 kids rip''
Lol what??
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@@ertelmisegishe did do that…. She told kids to kill themselves and she made fun of mental health.
You gotta investigate before you 100% believe in the victim men that’s how innocent men get put in prison and their lives ruined forever, not defending him. I’m just stating the facts in the obvious.
For some reason, hearing this just made me cry because it finally clicked that this is real.
I really hate that Technoblade died holding this man in high esteem.
not trying to be rude but what difference does it make to you? it certainly makes no difference to the man in question who's currently resting in peace.
@@endless_sandsstumbled back across this just now, but are you seriously saying that all emotion is voided just because 'it doesn't make a difference'? I feel what I feel. That's all I ever claimed.
@@CoRLex-jh5vxi mean, actually shelby basically withdrew the claims and now just parroting what wilbur said happened with the knly addition of, i have a low pain tolerence and donf like pain, biting hurts, even though i consent and agreed to this, its actually abuse somehow
Whoop whoop
I literally had no idea Wilbur fell off until this vid just got recommended to me, I actually forgot about him for like the past half year or more.
Honestly... why is it almost ALWAYS the creators that I genuinely like who either become or already were terrible people? Smh...
It's a damn shame as I always loved his character in Tommy's Minecraft mod vids, his synergy with Slimecicle, and many more previously charming and hilarous roles he had with others.
What a damn shame it is.
I'm with Phil all the way, But..
"Believe Victims always" Mentality stuffs is not a good advise
For a good example ---
Vic Mignogna False Allegation
Johnny Depp False Allegation
Exactly. “Believe victims always” is assuming that they’re actually victims. But if you have already proven that they are a victim, there’s no need to “believe” because it’s already been confirmed. But what he means is “Always believe accusations” which is severely flawed. Nobody should disregard the accusations, but you can’t believe them until they’re proven.
ok, im with Shelby but i won't say believe victims always. that just opens the door for a whole slue of problems and i hope he realizes this
i know about the shubble abuse allegations, but what did he mean when he said other victims? was he meaning all victims or was shubble not the only person wilbur abused?
Nikki also spoke on a stream when she was in England. will was on stream with her and said she was bitten but everyone kinda ignored it
An ex girlfriend of his also came out about the abuse she faced at the hands of Wilbur.
@@ET_Zombiethis was debunked, the bars werent even open for indoor activities that year, half the year they were closed all together the other half it out door exclusively meaning there would have been witnesses. Additionally social distancing was a still a huge thing.
Its highly unlikely it happened at all, if she said 2019 or 2022, maybe but no. She said the one of two years where its very unlikely it happened at all for the year she claimed this happened.
On that last part “always believe the victims” isn’t always true… a great case of this is what happened with kwite and lui calibre (they were different situations btw with different people) (I may be wrong I’m not sure what exactly happened) but kwite made a video defending himself and calling the “victim” out while lui calibre has played games with vannos for a while now and in one game of life vid when terrioriser made a joke saying “the texts were real!” Maybe this could lead to the whole thing being fake who knows I think it was fake but idk
(NVM IT WASNT FAKE)
I knew that sand wasn’t good for Wilbur
Sorry, I love dark humour
Bro did the bite of '87 💀💀
This really makes me wonder how Tommy is doing him and Wilbur were basically best friends he hasn't responded to any of Wilbur's allegations it feels like he just doesn't know this also makes me wonder Tommy could have been manipulated by Wilbur so many times and he wouldn't have known it since he trusted him
cant wait for shelby to get exposed for bsing all of this
i doubt thats gunna happen considering multiple other people have come out and said that he wilbur has done that to them and stuff. also all the evidence supports shelby. i understand if u really liked wilbur and watched his videos a ton but turning you back on ABUSE is just wrong.
its so sad when this shit happens. obviously its very hard for the victims, becuase some will believe you and some wont. but honestly, its much easier to believe that someone is trying to ruin a famous person's career than believe the person they looked up to is a monster.
and for some the opposite is true. its easier to believe someone you hated is a monster than believe their innocent. things like this really goes to show that these kind of actions effect more than just one person. it doesnt just hurt the victim although they are the one who have it worse. a part of me was really hoping that this would be like the dream situation but oh well.
i hope philza, tommy, shelby, and everyone else are doing ok.
Ghostbur was a poltergeist all this time
ok that made me smirk a lil
I’m honestly surprised and so disappointed. I listened to Your City Gave Me Asthma constantly when I was going through a bit of a tough time and it really got me through it. Again I’m so disappointed.
When i knew the case i didn't whatch any videos about it yet and because of Cellbits case a few months ago i actually believed that Wilbur was being falsely accused because i just really trusted him, but after knowing the full story and reading Wilbur's "apology" i feel nothing but disgust towards him.
Stay strong Shelby!
Philza is both right and wrong at the same time. He is right to show his support to Shelby. When I first heard about this, I didn't jump to conclusions. Remember to always get information before you go to conclusions. Phil said to always support victims, but do it when there is proof beyond doubt that they are indeed the victim. With all these people claiming to be victims of stuff without evidence, you can't be too careful.
multiple people have given accounts on wilbur biting them and shit. that's evidence on multiple accounts.
@@WOMENNN-61524 My point being that there are many instances where women claim to be the victim, when in reality they are not. A great example of this would be Amber Heard. The bottom line is, support when there is evidence, which in Wilbur's case, there was proof against him. But in other cases if there is no proof that someone is a victim, don't support or neglect them, just walk away and leave it be for others.
@@seththedanklord3648 oh ok also im sorry the reply i posted was not meant to be rude but readin g it back it sounded rude. other people in this comment section were pissing me off so i was just mad. very sorry about that
@@WOMENNN-61524 It's fine. I still can't believe Wilbur did this, but when multiple people come forward, it becomes more believable. You made an honest mistake by jumping to conclusions about what I was trying to convey in my original message (I could have worded it better). As long as you learned your lesson. Have a great day. 👍
@@seththedanklord3648 thanks you to lol.
I feel like ppl are just ignoring the blatant fact that he’s mentally ill which explains like half of her complaints about him. Like I don’t know much about him but that boy seems to hate himself 💀 like… having mold in your house bc you can’t clean… that is a literal depression symptom?? And I believe he did think biting was playful but idk because I wasn’t there. Idk I feel bad for Shelby because I’m sure that wasn’t easy to deal with, and I’m not saying that mental illness is excusable for shitty behavior, but it makes it more understandable imo
NOTE! i also am very sorry for shelby, and i deeply connect as i have gone through similar yep things, but these are just a couple things to note on wilbur. (i am on shelby’s side!)
That's true, but mental illness is an explanation in why he acts that way. It's not a justification on being an abusive boyfriend. And as for the biting, with both Shelby account, and one of Niki older VODS, talks about Wilbur biting habits. Like, if one weaponized their safe words (Shelby experience with Wilbur) into causing their partner more pain, wouldn't that be abusive?
As someone who is mentally Ill and has dealt with mentally Ill partners I can tell you this is not normal
Mine and my partners house is an absolute mess, we have biting in our play I have DID autism ADHD anxiety, depression, and he has autism and depression we are there for each other, we stop when asked, and we don’t smile when we hurt each other. WE CRY!!! I ccondradict myself and we can have moments of miscommunication but I’m sorry what Will did wasn’t just because of his mental illness because as someone who does BDSM stuff with biting being a CONSTANT in play when my partner says I’m biting too hard, even if I want to leave a mark you can just loosen your grip and suck. IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HURT LIKE LEGIT TO GET HICKIES AND CLAIM MARKS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO ABUSE YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER
so no, his illness is not an explanation… anyone who truly cares for their partner IMMEDIATELY stops whatever hurts them because depression makes us insecure. This was not being mentally unstable this was definitely intentional.
@@m0thernature730Mental illness affects every human being differently. Including resulting in abusive behavior. I’d like to remind you that psychopathy is….Antisocial personality disorder. A mental disorder. That is often claimed to be a direct cause and effect to unfortunate higher likelihood of abuse. Doesn’t mean it can’t be helped. Doesn’t mean it’s true for everyone. Everyone is capable of change. Just as everyone is capable of the horrors of abuse.
Wilbur needs help. He said he’s getting it…hope so. I support Shelby wholeheartedly, but I don’t understand how anyone could *not* wish for Wilbur to ‘get better’.
@@Nyxniushe just needs to rot in jail
Shelby told him she didn’t like it and he continued, Wilbur seems to be just naturally a violent person