How Russell Brand indulges conspiracy culture | Naomi Klein interview
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2023
- Naomi Klein is an academic and author of Doppelganger, A Trip Into the Mirror World, which dives into the industry behind conspiracy theory and right-wing propaganda in the internet age.
She swung by JOE Towers this week to speak about the book, the psychology of conspiracy theorists and how Russell Brand and Donald Trump enjoy unequivocal support from those fully immersed in the "mirror world".
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"It's easy to create support for war- all you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.”
Attributed to Hermann Goering in interviews by Nuremberg psychologist Dr. Gustave Gilbert.
Word.
It's easier to fool someone than for someone to admit they've been fooled.
Invest in some history books and see for yourself how common conspiracy has always been in politics and business. Then ask yourself why, in the 21st centruy - everying is always explained by random chance; never conspiracy.
Who's being fooled here? Be honest with yourself. What kind of fool allows themselves to be manipulated into avoiding considering that conspiracy might be an explanation for observed events?
@@paulroberts7544 Fine. Then why are you all defending the ONLY people with the POWER and MONEY to make these conspiracies happen, the BILLIONAIRES? Instead you right wing freaks jump to extreme right fascism that makes these guys even richer and more powerful. You´re so thick you don´t even realise it, that´s the real manipulation here - being unable to think critically. Oh wait, it´s MY ('??) billionaire that is the baddie, YOUR billionaire is the goodie! NO BILLIONAIRE IS THE GOODIE. ffs.
@@paulroberts7544indeed, or perhaps consider that nutters are drawn to ridiculous stories, until doctors prescribe anti psychotic medication.
@@paulroberts7544 I'm confused. Who's saying 'everything is always explained by random chance'?
Surely not Naomi Klein, author of multiple books about corporate corruption?
@@trevfindley5704 I am saying that if you are afraid to consider conspiracy as a theory to explain events in current affairs, politics and big business - afraid because the term 'conspiracy theory' has been weaponized as a smear - then you are unlikely to ever detect conpiracy and hold people to account for it.
In current affairs, politics, big buainess - anything where the stakes are high - conspiracy always has been and always will be rife.
Engage your brain - who has a vested interest in conditioning the public to recoil in horror at the thought of being labelled a 'conspiracy theorist'.
Conspiracy theorists are simply people that look at what is going on in the world, consider historical events etc and theorize about the likelihood of conspiracy being behind what we're seeing. And the reality is - history shows us that conspiracy is almost always going to be behind these things - to some degree or another.
These potential conspiracy's are never investigated because the media engages in a massive smear campaign to ridicule the people saying - there's reason to believe something illegal happening here; we should look into it.
I love Joe politics and I love Naomi Klein but i hate fake youtube titles! The interview has nothing to do with Russell Brand, It's about what Naomi , the intellectual that she is, and her take on the world. Why the title "How Russell Brand indulges conspiracy theory culture"?
Sensational anf stupid!
yes and by using the clickbait title, they are being the grifters/doppelgangers that they criticize. Why not just be truthful?
@@SimonAlan-sm6vvOMG this broke the internet.
OMG this terrifying.
OMG why is no body talking about this?
OMG...... fill in gaps. lol
This book is going to be my christmas read this year. I'm quite ashamed to admit I did get the Naomi streams crossed for a bit myself, never having read either author directly at their source but more piecemeal through their various other media work. This is a very troubling phenomena to me, one that has really gained a head of steam since the pandemic. It's going to be fascinating to see how Naomi Klein tackles it both from a more narrow personal perspective and in the more broad intellectual terms she's known for. I'll just say this very subjective and fanciful thing - there's a righteous tone we can hear sometimes, and I believe Naomi Klein transmits it very cleanly. I cannot imagine her falling off any lofty perch. My keen sense is that she is a safe pair of hands, a mind we can tap into and be better for it.
A better question is why all the conspiracies turn out to be spoilers. It's sad to see Klein discrediting herself this way. She's otherwise done great work, but has obviously been co-opted by counterrevolutionaries like many others. I guess talking openly about neoliberalism was okay but the global transition to programmable digital currencies for surveillance purposes-- which is happening already-- was the line that she was ready to take money over to shut up anyone talking about this and related events as "conspiracy theorists." I'm glad I got pirated copies of her previous books instead of giving her my money.
I read Naomi's 'This Changes Everything" and it pretty much did. I was horrified, but more importantly I discovered just how important misinformation is as a distraction, away from very real issues we face. I have friends who believe much of the theories and it's making them ill, especially in that they're constantly stressed about things that not only are not happening, but would be beyond their control anyway. I'm looking forward to reading this one to understand my friends' worlds a little better.
But they are so clearly, obviously, blatantly happening. You've just decided that all the things that are happening, such as governments restricting civil liberties and censoring free speech , is not the destruction of democracy and are justified by the relentless propaganda that aims to tell you all is well.
Your friends are the realistic ones. They are facing the 'real issues'. That is, western liberal democracies inching towards authoritarianism, month by month, legislation by legislation. This woman is selling a comfort blanket.
Its all a distraction designed to take heat off the truly bad guys.... and remember just because something is a conspiracy does NOT mean it isn't true. Very often it's a tactic used to undermine opposition, wich is why the people in this video are complicit or dumb.
Yes. I have friends who being Hilary Clinton lost due Russian interference😂!!
Naomi's 'This Changes Everything" is misinformation and distraction, away from very real issues we face but, more importantly I was horrified constantly stressed about things and theories. I have no friends who believe.
« A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what’s going on. A psychotic is someone who’s discovered everything that’s going on. » William Burroughs.
“A quote is something you can use if you want to sound deep but aren’t prepared to do much thinking.”
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Sometimes a paranoid person is just wrong.
@@hastekulvaati9681 And also this paranoia is based on the cornerstones of conspiratorial thinking: seeing patterns and connections between things when there are none. The human brain is a pattern-making machine.
It is when they eliminate them - then I get worried!
I’ve just discovered a pithier version of the WSB quote : « A paranoid is a man in possession of all the facts ».
@@hastekulvaati9681 A scene from Cronenberg's adaptation of 'Naked Lunch' has always stuck with me, where Kerouac and Ginsberg are discussing how one should approach writing with Kerouac concluding that it's best to keep the first thing that comes to mind so as to not dilute the "beauty" of spontaneous, unfettered emotion or thought; whereas Ginsberg surmises that revising a word 100+ times allows him to craft something closer to the truth by using reflection, and they turn to Burroughs to ask his opinion, who answers: "Exterminate all rational thought".
In reality, we can't make a compact that is absolute with anyone or even with ourselves about anything, just as there is no such thing as good and evil, right and wrong, everything is a sea of grey and we're just swimming through it during our short time here like goldfish staring out of the fishbowl of existence occasionally getting a glimpse of something true to us, then forgetting it, or having it augment or change due to individual or societal pressures and circumstance. I suppose a psychopath is only slightly freer because they don't have the ability to feel empathy or fear and their only drive is to crush and deceive and, at all costs, avoid anyone seeing through their diaphenous social camouflage, so they're not getting bogged down by all the thought baggage.
I think a more apt aphorism for understanding the human condition when you're not psychopathic is: "Don't trust anyone, not even yourself." Also, a lot of the anxiety caused by existing can be alleviated by committing oneself to a meaningful vocation as Wilhelm Reich argued in 'Die Funktion des Orgasmus'.
I'm so grateful to her for tackling these issues. Looking foward to read the book. Hopefuly I'll be able to find it in Costa Rican bookstores soon.
I think after a lifetime of listening to politicians spouting this or that, ai have decided that I just want fairness. I want them to do what is right and what is fair. I want them to listen to experts and carry out strategies that will help people and the world. It is not easy to trust anyone who wants to be in power as they all seem to have an agenda of their own. WHO can we trust? I do not know!
The conversation around 'People should just listen to experts' is incredibly ignorant and shows a lack of understanding of the quality of evidence. It also reflects a lack of understanding of highly ambitious people. On every major change in understanding of the natural world, there have been the majority that fought against it. Do you think it was plain sailing when Darwin first introduced his Theory of Evolution?
@@ornatus9616 you've not really explained in your comment why it's 'incredibly ignorant' to want to listen to experts.
We're living in a world of imperfect solutions. OP saying that we should listen to experts more than politicians who are frequently sociopaths that grab power by telling people whatever they want to hear, often with little reference to objective reality, doesn't seem all that unreasonable.
Clearly it's not something that would be easy to implement in a fair way, but it seems like a bit of an over reaction to dismiss it as 'incredibly ignorant'.
Could you elaborate further please?
@@trevfindley5704 Maybe I overstated my opinion. Sociopaths aren't confined to politics; they can be found in every walk of life. Elevating a scientist's opinion above everybody else is ignorant because it is just one way of understanding the world around us, and it has its limitations. One issue can be a narrow perspective, as it focuses on empirical evidence and observable phenomena. While this approach is valuable for understanding some aspects of the world, it doesn't encompass all aspects of the human experience, such as ethics, emotions, and personal beliefs. Ignoring these dimensions can lead to a narrow and incomplete understanding of complex issues. There are other reasons, like bias and subjectivity, because scientists are just people, and people have beliefs that can influence their work. Without these considerations, you can't make well-informed decisions and solve complex issues, and it can hinder the development of holistic solutions.
@@ornatus9616 yeah I think that's fair.
I agree that a pure technocracy where the scientists are above everyone else would be just as bad as what we have now, but I can see the value in having some kind of expert panel to assess or verify the claims of politicians, and guide their policies. It's just that it would be so hard to keep them impartial and prevent them from essentially turning into politicians themselves...
@@trevfindley5704 Exactly, the issue with some people atm is that they think that politics has already corrupted science.
Excellent interview. I know quite a few young men who are JP fans. Very often, I think they found him because of an unmet need for mentorship. I'm glad Naomi discussed this issue, and other reasons why people tend to fall down the rabbit hole. Looking forward to reading your book, Naomi!
Yeah, I honestly don't understand people's obsession with Kermit Lobsterson. When he wrote 12 rules I thought he was okay. It's nothing a good parent or mentor wouldn't teach you, but it was a fine common sense philosophy for life. He lost me when he started buying into his own myth of being this "revolutionary thinker" and then began clout-chasing by shoe-horning himself into every issue he can get his hands on as if he's an expert in any field other than his own 🤦♂
@@ChrisAlbertH47 I think JP was channelling a lot of the anger and frustration young men seem to feel today. The content of his thought often seems very incoherent to me, except for the reactionary stuff. A lot of these gurus can mostly be understood on an emotional level. Like Trump, he acts as a mirror, reflecting what his followers want to see.
@@Mattfortean Pretty much, yes
@@ChrisAlbertH47 Please don't say "rabbit hole"! If I hear/read that one more time, I'm gonna need Jordan Peterson.
@@noktilux4052 Ok, I won't say it 😁
Part of me wonders if Russell Brand was Machiavellian enough to become a conspiracy theorist *because* he knew these accusations were coming. I've heard comedians say his behaviour has been an open secret for years, and that it was only a matter of time. Did he become a "they're out to get me guy" because he knew it would be the perfect get-out-of-jail-free card when his part inevitably caught up with him?
This is the real conspiracy theory. Especially since the journos claim to have been working on the story for four years, and he actually confirmed in one of his videos that old acquaintances have warned him that journalist were sniffing around his contacts...
That's an interesting conspiracy theory.
@@ripace554Well, Naomi just convinced me that it doesn't meet the threshold of an actual "theory". But it is a funny thought...and exactly the kind of nonsense that would earn Russell Brand another million clicks
Probably. Would not be surprised
It absolutely baffles me as to why people are only recently calling Russell Brand a conspiracy theorist. He's been that way pretty much his entire adult life. It was him that once told people not to vote as he thought the system was all rigged anyway to protect the wealthy bankers and the elite. You guys call him a conspiracy theorist now because he falls on the right side of the fence when he once fell to the left.
After the whole Corbyn "antisemitism" saga, its hard not to believe in conspiracy of elites... Because i saw it in real time.
It's nice to see Oli in his dad's t-shirt and younger brothers trousers!
I kid of course, great conversation!
I agree that he is a bit hyperbolic at times, but he does have a pretty accurate grasp of the big picture regarding current events.
No Logo had a massive impact on me. looking forward to reading this one
If there was an award for trying to sound smarter than you really are, Russell would be in with a shout.
Followed closely by Naomi.
@@egoncorneliscallery9535only 1 like on your comment? Oh now I wonder who liked it? 😂 Wasn't you yourself was it? I think soooooo.
By the way, Naomi hit the nail on the head. Russell Brand rambles for dollars, end of.
Trouble is Russel is smart. You don’t need to be a genius to articulate your talking points, but there’s no denying Russell has above average abilities.
I remember when Naomi Klein went on Russell Brand’s Under the Skin podcast back in 2016 or 17. He kept interrupting and bombarded her with flattery that bordered on creepy. At one point she actually warned his listeners about false prophets like Brand, to his face while on his show. It was great 😂
It’s not always conspiracy
"false prophet" i.e everyone who has a message which is contrary to hers 😂
He was much worse at communicating then, much more put together and patient now
Klein doesn’t like Russell Brand, Naomi Wolf, Jordan Peterson, Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, people who live in Totnes and love nature, people who do yoga and trust their immune system: people who don’t fall for fearmongering narratives; people who put themselves before others: dear Klein, who do you like?
Brand is so much more insightful than her -- these guys want a censored world -- if you want others to be censored you are on the WRONG side think about it
Klein is easily one of the best public intellectuals we have at the moment
lol
@@areaunderthecurve9918???
Her first two books had a massive influence on my life, I am so glad to see that she is as insightful today as she was then.
I look forward to reading her next book.
😂
I wonder how Klein would explain a 900% increase in heart failure over the past 3 years?
@presterjohn1697 Across the entire world? Wow. A variety of reasons could be provided, food quality, sedate lives and that's off the top of my head.
@@presterjohn1697 Do you have any verifiable data to back up that claim?
@@melvinburton5554 Not sure if you know how statistics works, but a jump in mortality of that scale can not be explained away by food quality and lack of exercise. Sorry.
Thanks Naomi, it would also be interesting if you looked at the comparison between what happened in the story, "The Lord of the Flies" and social media, lack of governance etc 🙂
Humankind: a hopeful history by Rutger Bregman tackles this story with some interesting real-life examples.
@@marcod5027 great thanks for the recommendation 👍
Damn this was a good interview. Klein is a really interesting and intelligent person. I loved her point about how polite liberal discourse will avoid issues propegated by the far right thereby allowing them to control the conversation
Why would a liberal seek to control the conversation?
Liberal: "Favoring reform, **open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others**; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded. synonym: broad-minded."
@@paulroberts7544 yeah, open-minded but not so open-minded that your brain falls out, which is where conservatives are at
@@BocaoZ no, it's much worse than the 90s.
Imo she's totally correct on that point; e.g. trans issues and immigration being two examples
Those who have simplistic solutions will likely always control the conversation. The problem now is that the left only engage with the right in opposing their stance on social issues. The so-called left appear to broadly accept unfettered capitalism these days.
@@51gan788 Remember when open-minded people questioned authority and exposed institutions (public & private) corrupted by Wall Street? I miss those days.
My daughter bought me this book for a holiday present. The book and its author are astonishing. Spot on analysis through out. (Gotta love a brilliant, articulate mind.)
The reason we see people like Russel Brand get so much attention is because mainstream media have been failing and are failing to provide us with a somewhat correct presentation of what is going on. It has likely always been like this. SOME have provided people with the opportunity to share their ideas and interpretations. What is happening is that mainstream media no longer have a monopoly on explaining the world. Is that a good thing?.. Perhaps.
Exactly just like the "god of the gaps" within the scientific realm, conspiracies breed where the truth remains unuttered. The more censorious we become the more scope for speculation.
I'm 60 years old. It's only recently that I've realized that democracy has always been a bit of a sham. An 'illusion' to keep the workforce compliant.
It was always fairly safe to give people a vote - it was always a bit of a Hobson's choice, and the media (called the 'free press' but actually easily controled by the establishment) could fairly reliably control how people voted. Too much interest in 'lose cannons' such as Farage, Corbyn and the media could easily demonize them.
Then Brexit happened - the unthinkable. The people were given the vote on the understanding that the media could make sure they voted 'the right way' - but they voted the 'wrong' way.
What to do? Deliver Brexit (which the establishment didn't want to do at any cost), or allow the illusion of democracy to shatter.
As you say - is it a good thing? I think we're now seeing the world for what it is. But does that knowledge change anything? I would say not - those that 'think the wrong way' are demonized...criminalized even. Those that say the wrong things are deplatformed.
I think people had more levers when most of us believed the lie - they had a vested interest in keeping the illusion alive. Now that most realize the truth - there's less need for them to put up a pretence.
So where does that leave us? Facing full blown authoritarianism? Not much point in knowing the truth (or rather having more information) if you're powerless to use it to make life better for your children.
It is definitely a good thing.
Agreed...but that in turn allows someome like him to avoid scritiny for some of the darker stuff he might have done....both things can be true about him....
This issue is hardly about some kind of 'mainstream media' monopoly, which to me is a misappropriated catchphrase form the far-right like 'woke' or 'cancel culture' . The problem is when every apparent falsehood which regards itself as an alternative (fact) source is treated on an equitable level as actual truth, without anyone caring or having the strength to say "no, that is not what happened" or "no, that is not what that word means."
She likes to put label people and put them into categories.
I don't want to lower the tone to much after this important conversion but... 21:28 had me in tears 😂
I feel really sad for the ones who get drawn into all of this "conspiracy nonsense" It's like gaslighting on a massive scale & people literally get lost to it. I had a friend who started to get sucked in during Covid. I hate to admit it, but we're no longer friends. Her whole way of thinking became so defensive, difficult & irrational that it was difficult to hold a conversation with her. She isolated herself & that was it. She was gone. I think the hardest part about people who believe in all of this is that they're victims of manipulation & exploitation but they call anyone & everyone who try to help them as "sheep" when it's them who are the sheep. It's such a bizarre situation & very tragic for the friends & families who witness people getting trapped in it.
I agree about the right-wing lunacy, but I have also lived through friends consumed by the (ongoing) Trump-Russia irrational fantasy, which could ultimately end in WW3. Why doesn't Naomi address that? WTF happened to the brilliant author of "Shock Doctrine"?
I think we have the same friend. One of mine friends got sucked into the anti-vaccine conspiracy. Then it was the anti-press conspiracy. Now, she's a hardcore defender of Brand and won't read or watch anything he doesn't put on his channel. She absolutely cannot stop trying to recruit anyone who doesn't agree 100 per cent with her. I held onto her for as long as I could endure it but, now, I, too, have had to stop talking to her because these conspiracies are all she wants to discuss. It's like it took over her life! At least with the QAnon, there was a date (Inaugeration day) when it ended and people had to confront reality. But these newer conspiracies just keep going and going...
@@Print229 I'm really sorry this happened to you too. It's really heartbreaking to watch a friend disappear into it all. I really have a huge dislike towards social media these days. I deleted everything apart from YT because, apart from watching the odd political discussions such as this one, I mostly watch documentaries. I feel like the platforms I left were once fun & social. Now they're just full of trash & hate. My mental health is much better since I've left
It's ridiculous you're not friends anymore. I'm mates with plenty of idiots that took the vaccine and we get on great even though we think differently. Arrogance and pride on 'both sides' causes problems in my experience.
Everybody knows at least one person who was vaccine damaged. The Astra Zeneca vaccine was discontinued because of the link to blood clots.
This was seen initially as a conspiracy theory, now it is generally accepted.
People have been lied to too many times.
This is great and it's a lot more interesting and powerful than being just about Russell Brand's contribution to conspiracy culture. Unfortunately video titles are designed to get clicks I guess.
Goon.
Book purchased. Sounds like a really interesting view on the madness of the last 10-15 years. I have personally found it difficult to rationalise so much of the body politic and public. Hoping for a few pointers.
I thought it was legit the most interesting thing i've read in years...
Because There's a direct link between Scientology, Trump, and the techniques used by the right wing echosphere, who also tie to NXIVM (Elon promoted it) Epstein (Trump's bff for20+ years) and Saville, (who Brand idolised) and the Monarchy who (Shapiro and Piers Morgan defends). Tate dated Peterson's daughter and Elon went to the same Jesuit University as Trump, and Epstein hooked up Elon's brother, just like he did for Trump.
Trump's lawyer Alan Dershowitz said he was introduced to Epstein by Lynn de Forrester Rosschild.
Scientology is training these people in the tactics of brainwashing, basically what MK Ultra became, and probably run by the CIA, and Opus Dei, which is basically the same thing. Their principle strategy is Gaslighting.
Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting. It was used in Rwanda, Guatemala, Brazil, and Burma, each having ties to Mossad.
Trump, Barr, Bannon, Cippolone, Gore, Guiliani, Leo, Alito, Thomas, and Barrett are all Opus Dei. Trump trained alongside Epstein and Roger Stone under Roy Cohn, who used kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of Mossad. Cohn trained under Meyer Lansky, who trained under Hoover. Robert Mercer and Rupert Murdoch are both Knights of Malta.
Saville, Bezos, Gates, Koch, Rogan, Walsh, Crowder, Kirk, Fuentes, Dore, Knowles, Kulinksi, Ball, Iverson, Icke, Woods, Watson, Cernovich, Abbott, Jones, Robinson, Woods, Pool, Rubin, Peterson, Posobeic, Duke, Molyneux, Yilanopouse, Gionet, Richardson, Tillerson, Greene, Manaforte, Flynn, Ducey, Acosta, Attwood, Stone, Pence, Desantis, Meadows, Trump, Eastman, Black, Kerik, Melania, Barr, Bannon, Hawley, Gingrich, Abrams, Comey, Cuomo, Kerry, Abrams, Gore, Spencer, Blassio, Pompeo, Bolton, McCarthy, Nugent, Cruz, Rubio, Gaetz, Santos, Tucker, Gutfield, O'Reilly, Beck, Scarborough, Devos, Kasich, Mercer, Murdoch, Rosschild, Ingram, Kelly, Lake, Conway, Coulter, Huckabee, McEnany, Hannity, Spicer, Christie, Prager, Maher, Colbert, Corbett, Hayes, Biden, Harris, Fauci, Pelosi, Menendez, Pirro, Manchin, Cooper, Maddow, AOC, Newsom, Uyger, Dawkins, Hitchens, Hancock, Sitchin, Ventura, Morgan, Cowell, Farage, Johnson, May, Merkel, Blair, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Mogg, Benjamin, Trudeau, Putin, Bolsanaro, Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Trotsky, Hitler.
Special mentions (adjucants): Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Miller, Watters, Greenwad, Blumenthal, Maté, Camp, Brand, Loomer, Shapiro, Thatcher, Bush, Obama, Merkel, Greer, Summers, Silverstein, Adelson. Greenblatt. Wexner. Also Hindu Nationalists Ramaswamy, Tulsi, Haley, Hirsi, DeSouza, Modi etc.
Edward Snowden worked for Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim and was bought to us by Glen Greenwald, who now rubs shoulders with Jesuit Agent Provocateurs Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, whose mutual friend with Steven Crowder Brian Callen is the founder of Diligence, a spook Contractor to the CIA.
Julian Assange helped Roger Stone and the Trump Campaign in 2016, being the first to suggest challenging the outcome if he lost, and asking to be made the Australian ambassador to the US. Margeret Sunbyrne, the head of the Sun Worship Cult he was raised in was also protected by the CIA in the Australian Supreme Court, on grounds of "National Security" Trump paints himself Orange to represent Apollo.
Aleister Crowley inspired NXIvM and Manson, and was a master of mind control, his Protege L Ron Hubbard was the founder of Scientology, which uses the same mind control tactics displayed in right wing media.
They were also instrumental in Trump's conception as the Moon Child, born on a Super Wolf Blood Moon on June 14 700 days before the founding of Israel, who he gave sovereignty over the Golan heights on its 70th anniversary, and was inaugurated aged 70 years 7 months and 7 days old. June 14 is the birthday of Osiris, Known as the Day of the Pharoah.
Scientology uses the same tricks as Religion and Freemasonry, including isolation through strange acts (rituals/hazing) Gaslighting and intimadation, these can also be seen in right wing propaganda. Peterson's hero's journey comes from the transit of the moon through the zodiac, which is why they're called months.
Blame the victim:
The strategy is to make the aggressor's feelings the goalposts, everything is oriented around their needs and approval; a war of attrition using subjective language and logical fallacies such as incredulity, which amounts to disbelief, and acting as if this belief is something the victim is responsible for.
"Look what you made me do"
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil*
*>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ infidel etc)
*>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._*
*>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* by doing so they preemptively assume the role of an authority by proxy.
*>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
*>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly.
This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology.
*"What Others Say" (Appeal to populism)*
The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults, "if many believe it then it must be true" (whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "Moral Majority" Patriotism is a form of Authoritarian Communism.
Other than direct contradiction and disbelief other strategies for Gaslighting include Begging the Question, and the use of Strawman arguments; refuting a reframed argument *different from the one actually under discussion* while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.
Through the exercise of overwhelming a subject with countless contradicting premises and subjective terms a game of Pigeon Chess is played to deter criticism and break down a person's defences, until they no longer trust their own feelings, and rely solely on an outside source for direction. This is clearly demonstrated in the Maga cult, and is repeated in the convoluted dogma and magical thinking of Evangelism, New Age Spirituality, Ancient Aliens, and Graham Hancock. Always alluding to a secret to be revealed, but always in vague nebulous terms and undefined benefits of a far away place with no means to verify one way or the other.
"Trust me bro"
Effectively they all play the same role of an Enlightened Guru with deep understanding of life matters who can solve all your problems. It's likely no coincidence Reagan emptied the mental health services in the US, over half of those in Jail and living on the streets have undiagnosed ADHD.
Auyawasca and Psychotropics are also a staple in brainwashing, as is telling the target they've been brainwashed and that the Guru has the cure, right wing propaganda uses this language heavily by flipping the script and arguing they are the victims, that they're the ones being silenced and cancelled, that they oppose child abuse while also defending it, that the deep State is out to get them, when they're the Deep State and always have been.
Aleister Crowley was a big advocate of using Psychotropics to brainwash, just like the CIA, Opus Dei and MK Ultra.
Brand and Trump both use hand waving and holding them outspread in a "settle" gesture called pacing. They can also stare at an opponent, "asserting dominance" to put the target on the back foot and unsure how to respond. Peterson does this a lot, along with rapid fire speech, and using an insulting or demanding tone. By using these tactics as well as loaded language (Newspeak) and inference (plausible deniability) only to move the goalposts and reframe when challenged.
Trump's Mentor Roy Cohn admitted to using kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of israel, and trained under him alongside Epstein and Roger Stone. Trump's Jesuit mentor was Norman Vincent Peale, a 33rd degree Master Freemason. He was born June 14 during a Super Wolf Blood Moon to Fred Christ and Mary McKleod, he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches called _My New Order_ and uses it verbatim at his rallies. The Von Drumph family come from the same place as Hitler, Vienna Bavaria, Capital of the Holy Roman Empire. He paints himself Orange to represent Apollo; the Dawnbringer of Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn. Jamal Kashoggi's Mossad brother Adnan sold Trump a Superyacht for Russian Roman Abromavich, who was also paying Boris and Farage for Brexit. Most of israel's govt are non religious Russians.
The biggest madness was the Trump/Russia conspiracy theory.
I recommend the books Rules for Radicals, 48 laws of Power, The Prince, Art of War, as well as the documentary "The Century of the Self."
And "The Madness of Crowds."
She raises some good points however it's a bit sad that there aren't a few voices here to give a balanced recount of the whole situation and only hers backed by an agenda to sell her book.
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So the shock doctrine; what was that? (Also all of the past six years)
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Great interview!
I was a conspiracy theorist anarchoprimitavist before I got actual mental health care and got diagnosed with gender dysphoria. If i didn't have my family i dont know what would have happened to me. I want to read this book now because it sounds like a lot of what i went through with myself. Sounds cery similar to the concept of the Jungian Shadow.
Oh this lady last week was interviewed by Kim Hill (Radio New Zealand - Saturday Morning.) Very good interview, as this one is!
Imagine thinking the powerful would conspire to increase power.
Imagine thinking people like brand, farage and trump are not the elite and not grifting to take foolish peoples money.
@@alastairwallace6153 completely agree.
She’s an amazing prof!! Such a great person and I’m very happy to see this unexpected crossover lol
She's not a professor.
@@fredgarvinMP Stupid is as stupid posts..... "Naomi Klein - UBC Associate Professor - Faculty Member"
She is absolutely a professor at the University of British Columbia. She teaches climate justice.@@fredgarvinMP
@@fredgarvinMPhe meant Prophet..
Can't believe I just discovered this woman yesterday! She's great!
Whenever I see an influencer or talking head denounce or trivialise "conspiracy theorists" or "conspiracies" I am on full wake-up mode. No matter what segments of truth their conversation contains, those segments exist within the official narrative. The official narrative has rocked them in their cradle and breast fed them their degrees.
Man! I love this “Joe Lycett” interview with Klein!😂😂😂
Oh that's so disappointing. I was going for Steven Edgington.
Can we make that a thing instead? It's way more insulting to be compared to him...
@@trevfindley5704 I was thinking maybe PJ Watson, but Steve looks more like Oli 😬😅
@@LimeyRedneck oof. What that comparison lacks in accuracy, it more than makes up for with cruelty...
@@trevfindley5704 Like a distorted mirror?
Fantastic interview. Am going to read Naomi’s book.
Just as she always wanted. Brainwash more people into being vaccinated and spouting her narrative.
Now, I’m a fan of JOE content - and Naomi Klein’s ‘The Shock Doctrine’ realigned the way I viewed the world; I’m a great admirer of her commentary. So I saw this, and was interested in her take on the Russell Brand... Issue let’s call it. And of course, JOE comes across as this warm, non-corporate (it isn’t, read to the end), touchy-feely, left-wing online news channel. And Oli Dugmore, bless him, with his unbranded casual clothing and that kind of deferential, non-threatening, just-chilling-with-my-uni-flatmates image - he’s like a young-intellectual-activist-woman’s Dermot O’Leary isn’t he? And I’m not knocking him.. But WTF was that RUclips clickbait interview all about!? Spoiler alert: THE INTERVIEW IS NOT ABOUT RUSSELL BRAND INDULGING CONSPIRACY CULTURE. In fact, the first 40 seconds of the video front-loads literally everything Klein has to say about Brand throughout the whole interview. I think she only mentions his name once. No, this is Klein talking about her book. So why the clickbait headline?
When this pops up on RUclips, you see a big main image with Ms. Klein on the right of the screen, and on the left, underneath the big heading - “THIS IS A MASSIVE INDUSTRY” - you’ve got a carefully selected shot of Russell Brand looking like some kind of cult magician about to wave a Jedi spell over his followers. The title of the video is ‘How Russell Brand indulges conspiracy culture’ - a pretty self-proclaiming title - but then, in the 53 minutes and 6 seconds of content, Ms. Klein never brings him up. In fact, she doesn't even mention him until prompted to after 35 minutes when he’s awkwardly and erroneously segued in as “one of [Klein’s] doppelganger’s fellow travellers who also inhabits this mirror world ... at one point like Wolf, darling of the left and mainstream media. Now he faces very, very serious accusations of rape and sexual assault”. Eh!? How does that make Brand and Wolf similar? Oli forges ahead (35 minutes in - he’s got to get this interview to match the heading somehow) - “let’s talk about him” he insists. “Must we” Klein replies. It sounds like a Freudian slip indicating that she doesn’t really know that much about Brand, doesn’t really care about who he is, and would prefer to talk about her new book and the people that she does know about - and indeed spends most of the interview talking about - Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and her ‘doppleganger’ Naomi Wolf. But Oli has been briefed (I assume) so he ploughs on with a couple of leading and positioning adjuncts to his questions as to whether Brand is a conspiracy theory “grifter”. But this is a false start, because immediately Klein shifts the discussion to Trump... hahaha!!! It’s sooooo obvious that she really does not want to talk about Russell Brand, but Oli has a job to do...
There’s another five minutes of Naomi Klein NOT talking about Russell Brand before Oli desperately shoehorn’s him into the discussion again - this time aligning him with Donald Trump (Really! That’s stretching it Oli mate). It doesn’t work, so he tries again a few minutes later, this time pegging him onto an association with Naomi Wolf - eventually Klein bites. So after almost 45 minutes of a 53 minute video interview entitled ‘How Russell Brand indulges conspiracy culture’, Naomi Klein tenuously references him in the topic of discussion - which is basically that entire 40 seconds you saw at the start of the interview.
Throughout this interview, Russell Brand’s name is mentioned about half a dozen times, and I think Naomi Klein utters it once. So why the big Brand headline? Why the big push to tar Brand as a conspiracy theorist “grifter”? The irony is that this interview is all about conspiracy theories, then you have an entire interview produced by a branch of a media outlet (one of Brand's typical targets is the 'mainstream' media) that has contrived to, yet woefully failed, to achieve its title’s objective of proving ‘How Russell Brand indulges conspiracy culture’. Well, let’s take a look at the touchy, feeling, lefty, independent-looking JoePolitics to get some context about where it lies in the media landscape.
PoliticsJoe is part of the Joe Media Group, which is a subsidiary of Greencastle Media Group and Greencastle Capital (based in Dublin), which are in turn subsidiaries of Linton Capital LLP, a UK investment firm based in Richmond Mews in a swanky part of West London. Both are owned and controlled by ex-rugby player David Sefton, a clever fellow who very likely rubbed shoulders with the elites of parliament whilst studying at Oxford no less.
Linton Capital is "a private equity firm based in London, United Kingdom. The firm prefers to invest through means of buyouts and acquisitions ... in the energy, technology, and media sectors” - doesn't sound so wokey, lefty, touchy-feely does it?
Greencastle Media Group has been established specifically to invest in digital and social media brands, technology and publishers, and is owned and managed by both David Sefton and Paul O’Donohoe. On LinkedIn their overview states that they ‘act as a conduit - connecting brands to our highly engaged communities that span men’s lifestyle, politics, culture, women’s lifestyle, sport and entertainment. Elevating brand engagement through original, insight driven solutions that form authentic affiliations. Using our centralised business functions, we work with brands from strategy through to creative delivery, cutting through the noise to elevate content and unleash the power of your brand by turning trends into commercial success.’ I have no truck with capitalism in general, but again, that doesn't really align with the touchy-feely lefty ideology of Joe.
In short, Joe Media is worth millions (their IPO in 2022 was valued at €25 million). So, as you take in their content and feel that it’s all touchy feely and aligned with lefty socialist values, bear in mind what the underpinning economic foundations of the channel really are and maintain an acute awareness of any bias and positioning, and any motivation for such.
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Thank you for this post. Sad that so few have read it. They’d rather keep their blinders on. Funny how almost every media outlet, big to very small indies have a similar family tree. This is true of the majority of companies these days, including beloved brands sold multiple times and finally resold to private equity then gutted.
Thank you for this; I wonder how much Klein is worth? In her disdain for any opposing narratives, Klein is in danger of becoming all that she criticises: a totalitarian dictator, who favours her 'in-group' and mocks her out-group: anyone that disagrees with her, including nature, personal choice, freedom of speech, and bodily autonomy. There was a moment where she gave an example of a nature loving yogi, that sounded questionable. In her example, Klein claimed that the yogi chose to trust in her immune system, rather than f@rma, and allegedly said that those with weak immune systems should dye. Not only does this sound off key (like BS); but even if it were true, how can anyone base their premise on one person's response, to her husbands door to door campaign?
This whole left and right political debate is slowly morphing into a parody. It's like favouring your left hemisphere over your right hemisphere, or favouring your right hand over your left. We need both. Schrödinger's cat and our own self importance, aside, nature can function pretty well without our input and we would do well to learn a thing or two, by following Her example.
There are so many elements about life that we do not and cannot understand, no matter how many models and theories we propose. Or how many test tubes we propagate with life. We are the only species that thinks we can do better than the miracle of life, and that damaging nature is progress, but damaging buildings is vandalism.
We take it upon ourselves to interfere, from GMO's to sterilising animals, and sterilising ourselves. The same people who criticise Russell Brand for dating a sixteen year old (bare in mind that the legal age in the uk is 16), will also tell you that a four year can decide to begin the journey of identity change by taking puberty blockers, and self sterilisation (self mutilation). This is the first time in life where you cannot question political narratives, and in so doing, you can be silenced, lose your financial means, ridiculed and ostracised. What has happened to innocent until proven guilty? Or to our fundamental human rights? Or to having our own opinion on something; when did it become a crime to disagree? You have no right to scapegoat someone because they have erred from the norm. What is the norm today, will be not be the norm tomorrow.
@@elizabethking4589 are you a massive Russell Brand fan ?
@@elizabethking4589No-one is telling you that 4yo can start taking puberty blockers or "self-mutilate". That's a ridiculous lie being peddled by the likes of Matt Walsh, a man particularly interested in lowering ages of consent and focuses on the fertility of 16yo girls.
The nature loving yoga enthusiast becoming a mad anti-vaxxer, though? I can think of a half dozen people from my broader social circle who followed exactly that route.
@@django3422 Look at the statistics; government legislation for children’s toilets in schools; penalties for disagreeing with the narrative - it’s top down, and has little to do with one person. Secondly, if you want a vax, have it, have three, have 103. Similarly, what I do, is none of your business.
Another great show, Shad.
This Jungian life did a great piece using Jungian theory to explore why people follow conspiracy theories
Yea he’s a grifter
This is such a wonderful, brilliant conversation.
Nothing said about Russell Brand in this at all. If I missed it, please reply with time-stamp.
Wow, hadn't heard of Naomi Klein before. Will definitely be checking out her work. So much sense, and a great summary of things, mixed in with some (much needed) hope.
'The Shock Doctrine' is a must read. It's the history of Neoliberalism, and it is genuinely....shocking
@@adampeters7947 thanks yes, I'm going to give it a read...does sound like a must-read...now that I know about it!
Whatever politicians say, i take with a large pinch of salt. It's also important to look at both sides of the arguement, instead of belittling anyone who has a different point of view.
Agreed mate.
I agree ,sadly in the past 3 years that was entirely absent in news coverage on mainstream channels.
Hiding that hairline like a pro mate. Never mind the amount of static effecting Naomi's bonce or is it a something about Mary situation. This was a great interview by the way.
Wasn’t she on Russell Brand’s podcast?
In 2017, right around the start of his weird wellness influencer branding but before the grift came out.
The conspiracy theorists like Russel Brand keep being proven correct time and time again.
@@hopefulbutworried Sounds like a bigger conspiracy theory than the ones Russel is accused of. Funny how anyone who gets close to the truth and attacks the establishment the same tactics are used. Maybe Russel has been watching long enough to understand how these dirty tricks work.
Sure… Go back to bed, mmk?
This was a wonderful feature. I'll definitely be reading
Who is Oli’s doppelgänger? I can’t think of anyone I’d compare him to who does similar content?
Owen Jones?
A great vertigo - literally the ground beneath our feet is unstable. Gets good after about the 20 min mark. On the appropriation of language, and a sense of 'speechlessness' (47:00) by extremist conspiracy theories.
Playing down and patronizing the righties will not help. Building bridges seems better to me. Many have suffered during Covid (my worldview has been completely tilted), perhaps we should start by acknowledging the pain caused to all parties. Public figures should set the example, all the Naomis and RBs of this world. It's actually shocking that such an intelligent woman remains stuck in the us-them narrative
Great interview. I always love listening to Naomi Klein, can't wait to read the book.
Covering my fav subject, thanks guys.
That letter written by the woman in parliament to Big Tech re: Brand should give anyone pause before blowing off all these conspiracy theories.
Well, I'm fan of both Russel Brand and Naomi Klein and what I really would like to see is a good conversation between the two with a good moderator without trying to cancel each other.
Except for the fact that Brand is not actually coming from a position of honesty.
I used to be mildly amused by Russell Brand, now he's not worth the time.
@@Iskander448 Klein sure as hell isn't.
@@farjedi Yeah I think I will take Klein's word over guy with numerous abuse allegations, links to a fraudulent yoga cult and a proven record as a grifter. Bear in mind that the first two cases took place before he joined the IDW crowd.
@@Iskander448 What the hell does 'grifter' mean though. Someone with something to sell? Klein's in the book selling business isn't she? And a leftist with clear bias. Whatever you think about Brand, you are not getting a central position of scrutiny from Klein. She's glossing over whatever doesn't suit her narrative and will break her belief system. She's blinkered.
1:23 - 1:43 accidental partridge moment right there.
A-haaaaaaa!!!
Conspirisy influencers seems quite accurate.
Well that was GREAT & I can't wait to read the book.
I turn him off before - now I appreciate his view and deride those wary of open debate!
Your first instinct was your best!
Unfortunate response from someone who clearly doesn’t watch his show.
@@SafaDave trying but better now!
@@135OpsAre you wary of open debate?
I had to do a family visit to Totnes in the 1990s and I have to say that it was, even then, an uneasy mix of lefties (of whom I am one) and the adherents of superstitious belief systems that were fuelled by crop circles and crystals. My opinion is that neo-liberalism is not providing answers because we are witnessing the death of religion in western societies and there are, regrettably, a great many magical thinkers who have adopted quasi religious, cultish belief systems to replace traditional religions. Our education system is failing to address this problem by raising the quality of scientific knowledge across a wide enough social demographic. Too many poor people are not receiving the quality of education that is required in the modern world. And I wish people like Naomi Klein would not apologise for their learning and intelligence by describing their work as 'nerdy'.
I found it very interesting that Naomi Klein picked up on those same trends that I've been observing in my immediate social surroundings. What you mentioned, there are many magical thinkers. These are not people who subscribe to any political ideology. To the contrary: many of them don't even vote. They don't have any political ideology, which defaults to being on board with neoliberalism. And many of them never read any books, some don't even watch movies. And they emphasize "healthy living" A LOT, eating raw vegetables all the time.
I understand it as a type of "apolitical" (i.e. politically centrist) anti-intellectualism that I've come to hate so much in people. I actually have a bigger problem with those types of people than with overtly political ideologues who are on the opposite end of the political spectrum from me; because while those latter people are my political enemies, at least I see eye to eye with them as far as a fundamental sense for the importance of political action goes. Even a MAGA-hat is in that limited sense closer to me than those apolitical, anti-intellectual drifters.
@kathydent2116: Interesting. Reminds me of G.K. Chesterton’s famous quote: ‘When a man stops believing in God, it doesn’t mean that he then believes in nothing. It means he’ll believe in anything ».
Great point.
@@douglasmilton2805A favourite quote of mine too.
I've often wondered what makes people who once seemed so level-headed, decent and smart, even courageous, seemingly suddenly either turn cuckoo or do an apparent 180 on their views--or both. The one that most comes to mind for me is Glenn Greenwald, but there are so many others.
Were they always a bit on the mental side and just hid it well, was it always about being on the most popular and lucrative side of issues and they were always grifting, or did something just happen to them to cause some sort of mental break with reality? Or is it a combination of these?
Not all turn into Jim Jones or Charles Manson, thankfully, but it's definitely along such lines.
But kudos to Naomi (Klein) for sticking to her guns, staying grounded and not selling out or going batty.
3:00 So interesting! Naomi Wolf became a doppleganger of herself. Thats so true!
Easily one of the best summaries of where we are right now. Thanks so much for this.
I wouldnt call Brand a conspiracy theorist, he tends to take mainstream news and provides a cynical spin on it. It used to be the left that was skeptical of big pharma and supragovernmental transnational corporations but that seems to have shifted largely to the right.
To be honest, if the govt didnt lie with such alarming regularity there wouldnt be such a big space for anyone with a contrarian opinion to gain traction.
I've always went across the norm, when I was young I was very conservative. As I got older I moved left so now in my 60's I've voted Conservative, Liberal, NDP & Green.
Oli, don't wish to patronise you, but your interview technique is progressing wonderfully. This was a great interview, thank you 👏
Something i've been thinking about is; at the moment Brand obviously has a lot of critics accusing him of peddling conspiracy BS, but I've yet to come across anyone addressing claims he makes in his videos and simply debunking them? Surely it would be very easy to destroy his paranoid delusions if they are in fact so egregious?
Yet nobody is doing this, instead they just name call and attack him as a person. Tell us which things he has said that are verifiably false.
Exactly. All the conspiracy theory callers are attacking the people, not the arguments. I see it as a form of denial and cope.
Personally I don't necessarily think that what he says is BS, but I lost respect for him because he is so highly selective in the topics he covers.
Do you not think it's really cynical the way he only talks about Biden / Faucci / Gates etc. and stays silent about things that might offend his maga viewership and hurt his profits?
Seems very shady and misleading to me. Especially for someone who so regularly claims to be 'outside of the left / right paradigm'.
@@trevfindley5704 Can you be more specific? He's extremely critical of Trump.
@@nitsujism I haven't watched for a while, so I guess it's possible that he's changed tack, but that was why I stopped watching, because of his 'kid gloves' treatment of maga topics, particularly j6, in contrast to his relentless focus on democrat corruption.
If you go back a few years or more, for sure you can find criticism of Trump, but I haven't seen anything since he started taking the Peter Thiel money.
I do keep an eye on the thumbnails on his channel, but whenever I see Trump featured, it's normally 'Trump was right about xxx'.
If I'm wrong about this I'd really appreciate a link to a recent video that's directly critical of maga...
Well firstly talking about losing respect I have to say I'm not a fan of how Brand (or his media team?) started using clickbait/ragebait video titles & thumbnails. "HE DID WHAT!?!?". Maybe they justify it through reaching a wider audience, I don't know.
But to answer your question, I don't believe he only targets left leaning figures. He regularly tears apart the right wing government we have in the UK.
The reason I like Russell is because he's a powerful voice who champions workers rights, the power of unions, the sacredness of nature, the importance of community & connection with each other etc etc. while also drawing attention to the overflowing ocean of corruption, lies, deceit, ever-growing inequality we find ourselves in, which mainstream media seems to dance around but never dig deeper. He also isn't afraid to be controversial.
And the guests!
Noam Chomsky, Gabor Maté, Adam Curtis, Vandana Shiva, Edward Snowden, Prof. Brian Cox, Yanis Varoufakis, Marianne Williamson, Yusuf Cat Stevens, Rupert Sheldrake etc.
So if it's not already obvious that I'm a lefty, I love PoliticsJOE, NovaraMedia particularly Ash Sarkar & Aaron Bastani. They hold people to account. That's all we want. Someone to hold these people / organisations / governments to account. Because mainstream media has categorically failed in that regard.
"They're coming for us." No Russell, they're coming for YOU. Great interview, Klein is always interesting and informative.
Klein skipped right past Brand, because at the end of the day, what he is saying is true. He is outing the lies, what is he saying that is not true? could it be he is telling the truth? and people in high places do not like it? where is his arrest? where is his court case? who has sworn under oath?
They're coming for Russell Brand in a particular way, which is different from the way they are coming for people who think differently. The conversation around 'People should just listen to experts' is incredibly ignorant and shows a lack of understanding of the quality of evidence. It also reflects a lack of understanding of highly ambitious people. Unfortunately, it is my opinion that politics has influenced how scientific research is conducted, interpreted and communicated; after all, governments are one of the biggest funders of research.
@@exup1kyou see that's how people like him get people in its starts off as reasonable taking about a feeling that is correct "things are off with the government they are lying to us"I don't think people are wrong for feeling like that but what people like that do is give you easy exciting answers not the complex one's people should actually be informed about,because it's about giving a false sense of control. Plus it's really convenient the kinda people he interviews are always the ones who want to make us poorer and use nothing but Scape goats he can argue he doesn't believe that but on paper following the people he think are real ones make the average person life worse.
arrest is probably coming. Before Epstein and Weinstein were arrested many women came out... it took a while for charges to be laid. As for "outing lies"... Brand is laughable.. a conspiracy nutjob. His version of the "truth" is completely insane in a Alex Jones kind of way@@exup1k
@@ornatus9616 Are you saying you trust Russell Brand, a guy with (at best) very surface level understanding of the topics he discusses, over scientists because governments provide funding for scientific research?
Are you saying scientists don't evaluate quality of evidence, and that an assessment of the quality, or lack thereof, doesn't factor into their deliberations? Because those assessments absolutely are factored in and accounted for.
I certainly trust the intellectual rigour and integrity of the broader scientific community over Russell Brand and his ilk.
As to funding for research affecting conclusions, I'm not saying this is you, but a lot of Russell's fans seem to forget that he himself has very strong financial motivations steering his output.
He knows what his audience wants to hear, and he knows what subjects will get the most views, and make the most money. All the conspiracy type content he makes is much more financially beneficial for him than his wellness/spirituality content. He's fully aware that if he made a video talking even slightly positively about Covid 19 vaccines, he'd probably lose half his subs within a week.
...on Naomi's the town of Totnes comment and it's shift to the right, it's a multifaceted thing that has happened over time, a great deal of it sources from the loss of the local Art School in Dartington i.e. the loss of those students and what they brought to the town, another influential force is the influx of (mostly independently wealthy but wanting to be part of the hippy lifestyle image) newcomers bringing different ideas with them, pulling it away from where it once was (not a bad thing necessarily, but isn't working quite as well as it could), and another is the inherent weakness in the naturally 'open to ideas' nature of a community being preyed upon by some quite organised and extreme people. The left leaning and liberal community is still there, it just can't cope with the wave of utter drivel being thrown at it nonstop, and these new right-leaning elements (often espousing left leaning ideas tinged with something more scary) can be quite aggressive, which Totnesians have a hard time coping with. Most came to Totnes to get away from that, and it's sad to see the town change in the way it has.
Totnes is probably the last truly left/liberal stronghold in the South West of the UK, it makes sense that there is a concerted effort by the right to take it down.
An interesting view. Worth keeping in mind, even if I'm not convinced yet.
Fantastic episode. I love this channel BUT framing this interview as primarily about Brand is adopting the click-farming strategy and playing into the hands of the conspiracy culture - it will put off many of those who buy into his guff who might otherwise be educated by a genuine critique of power.
Great thinker. Loved this interview.
everyone......EVERYONE should read Robert Anton Wilson, the great prophet of our age. All will become clear. maybe. Especialy the stuff about Chapel Perilous, which is basically where we are as a civilisation rn
I agree that we have to 'be' the left in order to fight fascism, but I'm uncomfortable with terms like 'put people to work' as that sounds authoritarian too.
When your hammer is conspiracy theory culture, everything is a conspiracy theory.
Klein sound more and more like a MSM mouth piece, its shameful.
M Scott Peck predicted this situation in 'People of the Lie'. In the most serious of cases he considers it to be a major spiritual failing.
Russell Brand was ousted from the small pond of British Film, TV, Theatre and Radio.
Producers and media executives could no longer control or appease the women in the industry,
from Brands relentless and remorseless sex addiction.
He ‘escaped to the country’ …and started up a podcast to emulate Joe Rogan.
He needed counselling for his sex addiction and so paid for,
the most renowned gurus ( grifting around the globe ) by interviewing them,
offering up snippets on RUclips, then trying to coax viewers into seeing more content behind a paywall.
This was a huge failure... people don't want to pay for content.
So he tilted or pivoted over to more Rogan-esque material. This was an immediate hit.
That's when the 'audience capture' phenomena happened.
He was caught into producing only counterculture material.
He did this by hiring a team to trawl though websites,
US left-leaning media news, but mostly sub-stack articles… regurgitating the material,
online for an avid ‘ever-growing’ fanbase.
( Hello my six million awakening wonders! )
He’s now stuck ( proverbially ) between a rock and hard place.
He wants to go back into the mainstream media world.
He thought he might be able to come back on his own terms… if he became,
a big enough internet phenomenon.
But this latest attack has reminded those in the ( UK ) entertainment industry,
that he’s too much of a risk. He can now only go state-side and hope a US rightwing company,
will offer him a large enough contract.
That, or try to attain his original goal of becoming ‘Joe Rogan famous’ on his own merits.
Excellent analysis of RB's career..
Can't believe I haven't heard the term 'Audience capture' before. This perfectly describes his (and many other channels') problem....
Except There's a direct link between Scientology, Trump, and the techniques used by the right wing echosphere, who also tie to NXIVM (Elon promoted it) Epstein (Trump's bff for20+ years) and Saville, (who Brand idolised) and the Monarchy who (Shapiro and Piers Morgan defends). Tate dated Peterson's daughter and Elon went to the same Jesuit University as Trump, and Epstein hooked up Elon's brother, just like he did for Trump.
Trump's lawyer Alan Dershowitz said he was introduced to Epstein by Lynn de Forrester Rosschild.
Scientology is training these people in the tactics of brainwashing, basically what MK Ultra became, and probably run by the CIA, and Opus Dei, which is basically the same thing. Their principle strategy is Gaslighting.
Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting. It was used in Rwanda, Guatemala, Brazil, and Burma, each having ties to Mossad.
Trump, Barr, Bannon, Cippolone, Gore, Guiliani, Leo, Alito, Thomas, and Barrett are all Opus Dei. Trump trained alongside Epstein and Roger Stone under Roy Cohn, who used kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of Mossad. Cohn trained under Meyer Lansky, who trained under Hoover. Robert Mercer and Rupert Murdoch are both Knights of Malta.
Saville, Bezos, Gates, Koch, Rogan, Walsh, Crowder, Kirk, Fuentes, Dore, Knowles, Kulinksi, Ball, Iverson, Icke, Woods, Watson, Cernovich, Abbott, Jones, Robinson, Woods, Pool, Rubin, Peterson, Posobeic, Duke, Molyneux, Yilanopouse, Gionet, Richardson, Tillerson, Greene, Manaforte, Flynn, Ducey, Acosta, Attwood, Stone, Pence, Desantis, Meadows, Trump, Eastman, Black, Kerik, Melania, Barr, Bannon, Hawley, Gingrich, Abrams, Comey, Cuomo, Kerry, Abrams, Gore, Spencer, Blassio, Pompeo, Bolton, McCarthy, Nugent, Cruz, Rubio, Gaetz, Santos, Tucker, Gutfield, O'Reilly, Beck, Scarborough, Devos, Kasich, Mercer, Murdoch, Rosschild, Ingram, Kelly, Lake, Conway, Coulter, Huckabee, McEnany, Hannity, Spicer, Christie, Prager, Maher, Colbert, Corbett, Hayes, Biden, Harris, Fauci, Pelosi, Menendez, Pirro, Manchin, Cooper, Maddow, AOC, Newsom, Uyger, Dawkins, Hitchens, Hancock, Sitchin, Ventura, Morgan, Cowell, Farage, Johnson, May, Merkel, Blair, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Mogg, Benjamin, Trudeau, Putin, Bolsanaro, Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Trotsky, Hitler.
Special mentions (adjucants): Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Miller, Watters, Greenwad, Blumenthal, Maté, Camp, Brand, Loomer, Shapiro, Thatcher, Bush, Obama, Merkel, Greer, Summers, Silverstein, Adelson. Greenblatt. Wexner. Also Hindu Nationalists Ramaswamy, Tulsi, Haley, Hirsi, DeSouza, Modi etc.
Edward Snowden worked for Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim and was bought to us by Glen Greenwald, who now rubs shoulders with Jesuit Agent Provocateurs Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, whose mutual friend with Steven Crowder Brian Callen is the founder of Diligence, a spook Contractor to the CIA.
Julian Assange helped Roger Stone and the Trump Campaign in 2016, being the first to suggest challenging the outcome if he lost, and asking to be made the Australian ambassador to the US. Margeret Sunbyrne, the head of the Sun Worship Cult he was raised in was also protected by the CIA in the Australian Supreme Court, on grounds of "National Security" Trump paints himself Orange to represent Apollo.
Aleister Crowley inspired NXIvM and Manson, and was a master of mind control, his Protege L Ron Hubbard was the founder of Scientology, which uses the same mind control tactics displayed in right wing media.
They were also instrumental in Trump's conception as the Moon Child, born on a Super Wolf Blood Moon on June 14 700 days before the founding of Israel, who he gave sovereignty over the Golan heights on its 70th anniversary, and was inaugurated aged 70 years 7 months and 7 days old. June 14 is the birthday of Osiris, Known as the Day of the Pharoah.
Scientology uses the same tricks as Religion and Freemasonry, including isolation through strange acts (rituals/hazing) Gaslighting and intimadation, these can also be seen in right wing propaganda. Peterson's hero's journey comes from the transit of the moon through the zodiac, which is why they're called months.
Blame the victim:
The strategy is to make the aggressor's feelings the goalposts, everything is oriented around their needs and approval; a war of attrition using subjective language and logical fallacies such as incredulity, which amounts to disbelief, and acting as if this belief is something the victim is responsible for.
"Look what you made me do"
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil*
*>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ infidel etc)
*>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._*
*>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* by doing so they preemptively assume the role of an authority by proxy.
*>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
*>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly.
This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology.
*"What Others Say" (Appeal to populism)*
The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults, "if many believe it then it must be true" (whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "Moral Majority" Patriotism is a form of Authoritarian Communism.
Other than direct contradiction and disbelief other strategies for Gaslighting include Begging the Question, and the use of Strawman arguments; refuting a reframed argument *different from the one actually under discussion* while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.
Through the exercise of overwhelming a subject with countless contradicting premises and subjective terms a game of Pigeon Chess is played to deter criticism and break down a person's defences, until they no longer trust their own feelings, and rely solely on an outside source for direction. This is clearly demonstrated in the Maga cult, and is repeated in the convoluted dogma and magical thinking of Evangelism, New Age Spirituality, Ancient Aliens, and Graham Hancock. Always alluding to a secret to be revealed, but always in vague nebulous terms and undefined benefits of a far away place with no means to verify one way or the other.
"Trust me bro"
Effectively they all play the same role of an Enlightened Guru with deep understanding of life matters who can solve all your problems. It's likely no coincidence Reagan emptied the mental health services in the US, over half of those in Jail and living on the streets have undiagnosed ADHD.
Auyawasca and Psychotropics are also a staple in brainwashing, as is telling the target they've been brainwashed and that the Guru has the cure, right wing propaganda uses this language heavily by flipping the script and arguing they are the victims, that they're the ones being silenced and cancelled, that they oppose child abuse while also defending it, that the deep State is out to get them, when they're the Deep State and always have been.
Aleister Crowley was a big advocate of using Psychotropics to brainwash, just like the CIA, Opus Dei and MK Ultra.
Brand and Trump both use hand waving and holding them outspread in a "settle" gesture called pacing. They can also stare at an opponent, "asserting dominance" to put the target on the back foot and unsure how to respond. Peterson does this a lot, along with rapid fire speech, and using an insulting or demanding tone. By using these tactics as well as loaded language (Newspeak) and inference (plausible deniability) only to move the goalposts and reframe when challenged.
Trump's Mentor Roy Cohn admitted to using kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of israel, and trained under him alongside Epstein and Roger Stone. Trump's Jesuit mentor was Norman Vincent Peale, a 33rd degree Master Freemason. He was born June 14 during a Super Wolf Blood Moon to Fred Christ and Mary McKleod, he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches called _My New Order_ and uses it verbatim at his rallies. The Von Drumph family come from the same place as Hitler, Vienna Bavaria, Capital of the Holy Roman Empire. He paints himself Orange to represent Apollo; the Dawnbringer of Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn. Jamal Kashoggi's Mossad brother Adnan sold Trump a Superyacht for Russian Roman Abromavich, who was also paying Boris and Farage for Brexit. Most of israel's govt are non religious Russians.
Well put.
@@TheLampini Yeah no. It's missing a massive part...namely that Russell Brand has been a paid Kremlin asset for 15 years. That pseudo-analysis of his "career" is as laughable as Brand's current situation. Brand won't come to the U.S...unless he wants the FBI & NSA in his business 24/7/365, and he can't cover all the crimes he has done, only a few that certain groups want you to carefully focus on so you will not focus on what he is or does.
Russkie Bland's money never came from anything you stated...
it came from selling user data to foreign agencies so they could be targeted in further illegal propaganda operations on americans & UK citizens.
I hadn't been paying much attention to Russell Brand until this current controversy, because I felt he'd disappeared down the rabbit hole of conspiracy culture.
But just over the last week since following his recent output, I'm increasingly impressed with his insights, and also that he backs up what he's saying with evidence. I actually think his views of what is needed to bring about change are similar to what Naomi is advocating - people feeling connected by a common humanity and coming together to form a grass roots coalition of decentralised power, that transcends these divisions of left versus right.
I also think it's fair comment to say he's indulging conspiracy culture with his use of emotive language and framing of his material, but I think that's in order to engage with the people who have been drawn into that world, to encourage them to question things, and also expose the way that capitalism functions, which Naomi was talking about.
I agreed with what she says that these kind of influencers are filling a void, but I feel in Russell Brand's case there is a genuine empathy, because of his own struggles, and a humanitarian vision, that is lacking in a mainstream media controlled by commercial and vested interests.
Yes, his general ideas are reasonable. He wants to take sponsorship out of politics and reduce the influence of large companies on government policies. However, his conspiracy videos are total nonsense. I'm sure he saw a money making opportunity there during covid and took it. And now he can use it as his defence - "they are trying to silence me".
I agree about Brand's politics. And definitely find alot to agree with in his arguments. But you can't deny that he makes a shed load of money.
What is this, a customer testimonial?
@@django3422 No because I'm not a customer and he isn't selling anything, although he has asked for financial support IF people are able to contribute. I don't know what his existing costs and overheads are, but he will definitely be facing some hefty legal bills. I think he should be more transparent about why he needs financial support.
But I guess it's down to what you believe his motives are. I personally think he genuinely wants to make a difference. If he was only in it for the money he could have stayed with Katy Perry in Hollywood, and remained part of the MSM machine, providing entertainment and not rocking the boat with any 'inconvenient truths'. And would he be facing these kind of allegations if he had done so? I doubt it. The devil looks after his own, as they say.
And where does this belief that people are only motivated by money comes from? As far as I'm concerned that is part of the indoctrination of Capitalism and Neo-Liberalism, where everyone and everything is reduced to a commodity. And that includes US military interventions in other countries, supposedly in the name of freedom and democracy, but which are actually a highly profitable money making venture for the Military Industrial Complex that President Eisenhower warned about back in 1961.
That is what Russell Brand is exposing, supported by evidence. And that along with calling out big pharma and the mainstream media, is certainly enough for various vested interests to want him silenced.
I agree with Naomi Kline though that there is a failure on the part of the mainstream media to address these issues, and also the fact they don't simply vindicates what he is claiming about the whole of the mainstream media having lost all independence having mutated into nothing more than a mouthpiece for a global establishment.
@@melissaeveleigh8112 He has certainly done so from his past career, and if he'd stayed in Hollywood and married to Katy Perry would probably be making more than he does as a creator on alternate platforms. I don't know what his running costs and overheads are, but he definitely faces some hefty legal bills, and at the same time has been cut off from one of his main income streams.
Definitely buying her book. Great interview.
Be careful not buy her BS at the same time.
20:54 Who were they talking about, Jordan Peterson?
Yes.
I am perpetually stunned that people find these allegations against Brand unbelievable. I have read a few of his books (I have had a lifelong substance use disorder) and in at least two of his books, he relentlessly talks about how he "used" to be a sex addict. And people are accusing him of behaviour *from that point in time* forward.
Someone who wrote in detail about how much sex he had and what kind of sex etc and we are shocked that said person could be a sexual offender???
For real. It would be like if people finally pointed out that Anthony Kiedis admitted he committed statutory rape *in his autobiography* and he got cancelled for that.
Not sure what people were expecting here but yeah the right wing grift is the last resort of the desperate.
well, i realtytried for about 20 minutes, but what a yawn fest, the most boring pod cast ever...................................................................
Facts don't care about your feelings
Excess deaths and the lack of reporting is what?
why do people think focus on Russell Brand, he has an entire team of staff working with him. He is simply a messenger, some of words are his own ideas, many are the ideas of others which he is merely presenting. i don't get the focus on Brand, he's just an ordinary person like everyone else.
I'm glad we got this interview before Oli got eaten by orcas
Misleading title, should be something like Naomi Klein publishes new book.
Love Naomi Klein
They should get Naomi to do a debate with Naomi
Who’s this woman’s doppelgänger that she addressed 800x as “she” and “her”, but over 30 mins in I have not heard her name once????
Naomi handled this interview wonderfully. Brand is a sideshow and Naomi kept focus on the real threat, the likes of Bannon etc
Until Brand is dangerous because he sees more money
Where is Brand in this interview?
@@petestan5186 The last 5 minutes
You can find a direct link between Scientology, Trump, and the techniques used by the right wing echosphere, who also tie to NXIVM (Elon promoted it) Epstein (Trump's bff for20+ years) and Saville, (who Brand idolised) and the Monarchy who (Shapiro and Piers Morgan defends). Tate dated Peterson's daughter and Elon went to the same Jesuit University as Trump, and Epstein hooked up Elon's brother, just like he did for Trump.
Trump's lawyer Alan Dershowitz said he was introduced to Epstein by Lynn de Forrester Rosschild.
Scientology is training these people in the tactics of brainwashing, basically what MK Ultra became, and probably run by the CIA, and Opus Dei, which is basically the same thing. Their principle strategy is Gaslighting.
Gaslighting, aka Grooming. Accusation in a mirror (AiM), mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, is a hate-speech incitement technique where one falsely attributes to one's adversaries the intentions that one has for oneself and/or the actions that one is in the process of enacting. It was used in Rwanda, Guatemala, Brazil, and Burma, each having ties to Mossad.
Trump, Barr, Bannon, Cippolone, Gore, Guiliani, Leo, Alito, Thomas, and Barrett are all Opus Dei. Trump trained alongside Epstein and Roger Stone under Roy Cohn, who used kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of Mossad. Cohn trained under Meyer Lansky, who trained under Hoover. Robert Mercer and Rupert Murdoch are both Knights of Malta.
Saville, Bezos, Gates, Koch, Rogan, Walsh, Crowder, Kirk, Fuentes, Dore, Knowles, Kulinksi, Ball, Iverson, Icke, Woods, Watson, Cernovich, Abbott, Jones, Robinson, Woods, Pool, Rubin, Peterson, Posobeic, Duke, Molyneux, Yilanopouse, Gionet, Richardson, Tillerson, Greene, Manaforte, Flynn, Ducey, Acosta, Attwood, Stone, Pence, Desantis, Meadows, Trump, Eastman, Black, Kerik, Melania, Barr, Bannon, Hawley, Gingrich, Abrams, Comey, Cuomo, Kerry, Abrams, Gore, Spencer, Blassio, Pompeo, Bolton, McCarthy, Nugent, Cruz, Rubio, Gaetz, Santos, Tucker, Gutfield, O'Reilly, Beck, Scarborough, Devos, Kasich, Mercer, Murdoch, Rosschild, Ingram, Kelly, Lake, Conway, Coulter, Huckabee, McEnany, Hannity, Spicer, Christie, Prager, Maher, Colbert, Corbett, Hayes, Biden, Harris, Fauci, Pelosi, Menendez, Pirro, Manchin, Cooper, Maddow, AOC, Newsom, Uyger, Dawkins, Hitchens, Hancock, Sitchin, Ventura, Morgan, Cowell, Farage, Johnson, May, Merkel, Blair, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Mogg, Benjamin, Trudeau, Putin, Bolsanaro, Stalin, Lenin, Tito, Trotsky, Hitler.
Special mentions (adjucants): Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, Miller, Watters, Greenwad, Blumenthal, Maté, Camp, Brand, Loomer, Shapiro, Thatcher, Bush, Obama, Merkel, Greer, Summers, Silverstein, Adelson. Greenblatt. Wexner. Also Hindu Nationalists Ramaswamy, Tulsi, Haley, Hirsi, DeSouza, Modi etc.
Edward Snowden worked for Pentagon Comptroller Dov Zakheim and was bought to us by Glen Greenwald, who now rubs shoulders with Jesuit Agent Provocateurs Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, whose mutual friend with Steven Crowder Brian Callen is the founder of Diligence, a spook Contractor to the CIA.
Julian Assange helped Roger Stone and the Trump Campaign in 2016, being the first to suggest challenging the outcome if he lost, and asking to be made the Australian ambassador to the US. Margeret Sunbyrne, the head of the Sun Worship Cult he was raised in was also protected by the CIA in the Australian Supreme Court, on grounds of "National Security" Trump paints himself Orange to represent Apollo.
Aleister Crowley inspired NXIvM and Manson, and was a master of mind control, his Protege L Ron Hubbard was the founder of Scientology, which uses the same mind control tactics displayed in right wing media.
They were also instrumental in Trump's conception as the Moon Child, born on a Super Wolf Blood Moon on June 14 700 days before the founding of Israel, who he gave sovereignty over the Golan heights on its 70th anniversary, and was inaugurated aged 70 years 7 months and 7 days old. June 14 is the birthday of Osiris, Known as the Day of the Pharoah.
Scientology uses the same tricks as Religion and Freemasonry, including isolation through strange acts (rituals/hazing) Gaslighting and intimadation, these can also be seen in right wing propaganda. Peterson's hero's journey comes from the transit of the moon through the zodiac, which is why they're called months.
Blame the victim:
The strategy is to make the aggressor's feelings the goalposts, everything is oriented around their needs and approval; a war of attrition using subjective language and logical fallacies such as incredulity, which amounts to disbelief, and acting as if this belief is something the victim is responsible for.
"Look what you made me do"
*In the context of child sexual abuse (CSA) the **_gaslighting_** is often used to convince the victim all the abusive behaviours are fine, normal and an expression of “love” (for eg Patriotism, Christianity, Service). It is used to ensure the victim doesn’t speak out about it and doesn’t fight back. It can also be used in concert with other **_grooming_** tactics like fear and isolation. Ultimately the aim is to legitimise a worldview that is detached from reality, and therefore arbitrary. Now they can call evil good and good evil*
*>>Trivializing:* *The victim’s feels are made to feel like they don’t matter, are **_unfounded_** or they are weak for thinking so.* (woke/ lib/ groomer/ infidel etc)
*>>Countering: This is quintessential gaslighting.* *They **_directly counter the memories and perceptions of the victim._*
*>>Repetitive Questions: The abusive partner makes the victim doubt what they think or feel by asking the same question multiple times.* by doing so they preemptively assume the role of an authority by proxy.
*>>Diverting: The abuser diverts the subject and puts the blame into outside circumstances.*
*>>No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity* is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to *protect their generalized statement from a falsifying counterexample* by trying to _exclude the counterexample_ improperly.
This is the Core of White Supremacist ideology.
*"What Others Say" (Appeal to populism)*
The abuser tells the victim what other people "think" about the victim, the abuser and/or the situation on whole. Also known as an appeal to populism, the basis of Authoritarian Communism, and Cults, "if many believe it then it must be true" (whether people actually agree with the position and whether it is true or not). Bolshevism itself means "the Majority" and is no different to Fascist appeals to a "Moral Majority" Patriotism is a form of Authoritarian Communism.
Other than direct contradiction and disbelief other strategies for Gaslighting include Begging the Question, and the use of Strawman arguments; refuting a reframed argument *different from the one actually under discussion* while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction.
Through the exercise of overwhelming a subject with countless contradicting premises and subjective terms a game of Pigeon Chess is played to deter criticism and break down a person's defences, until they no longer trust their own feelings, and rely solely on an outside source for direction. This is clearly demonstrated in the Maga cult, and is repeated in the convoluted dogma and magical thinking of Evangelism, New Age Spirituality, Ancient Aliens, and Graham Hancock. Always alluding to a secret to be revealed, but always in vague nebulous terms and undefined benefits of a far away place with no means to verify one way or the other.
"Trust me bro"
Effectively they all play the same role of an Enlightened Guru with deep understanding of life matters who can solve all your problems. It's likely no coincidence Reagan emptied the mental health services in the US, over half of those in Jail and living on the streets have undiagnosed ADHD.
Auyawasca and Psychotropics are also a staple in brainwashing, as is telling the target they've been brainwashed and that the Guru has the cure, right wing propaganda uses this language heavily by flipping the script and arguing they are the victims, that they're the ones being silenced and cancelled, that they oppose child abuse while also defending it, that the deep State is out to get them, when they're the Deep State and always have been.
Aleister Crowley was a big advocate of using Psychotropics to brainwash, just like the CIA, Opus Dei and MK Ultra.
Brand and Trump both use hand waving and holding them outspread in a "settle" gesture called pacing. They can also stare at an opponent, "asserting dominance" to put the target on the back foot and unsure how to respond. Peterson does this a lot, along with rapid fire speech, and using an insulting or demanding tone. By using these tactics as well as loaded language (Newspeak) and inference (plausible deniability) only to move the goalposts and reframe when challenged.
Trump's Mentor Roy Cohn admitted to using kids to blackmail politicians on behalf of israel, and trained under him alongside Epstein and Roger Stone. Trump's Jesuit mentor was Norman Vincent Peale, a 33rd degree Master Freemason. He was born June 14 during a Super Wolf Blood Moon to Fred Christ and Mary McKleod, he keeps a book of Hitler's speeches called _My New Order_ and uses it verbatim at his rallies. The Von Drumph family come from the same place as Hitler, Vienna Bavaria, Capital of the Holy Roman Empire. He paints himself Orange to represent Apollo; the Dawnbringer of Aleister Crowley's Golden Dawn. Jamal Kashoggi's Mossad brother Adnan sold Trump a Superyacht for Russian Roman Abromavich, who was also paying Boris and Farage for Brexit. Most of israel's govt are non religious Russians.
What about the threat of shitlibs who keep running and running with Russia hate because of Trump, leading us to the precipice of nuclear holocaust? Where the F is the brilliant author of "Shock Doctrine" to explain this? Why is she focusing on the banal, easy-to-ridicule conspiracies?
Naomi Kline says Canadian Protests Truckers were anti vaxxes - They were not anti vaxxes,vaxxes, they were anti vaccine passports mandates; most of the truckers had been vaccinated.
...then they would be eligible for the passport.
The protest was over non vaxxed truckers coming back from the U.S. having the quarantine for 10 days. They are literally anti vax Covid vaccine. Anti Covid vaccine people not owning who they are is so weird. The 90% of truckers who are vaccinated were not the ones at that goofy protest. It was the ones think the Covid vaccine causes more arm than good who were there and didn’t want to be subjected to the quarantine
@@jameshart3879 almost like that wasn't the ultimate point of the protest or something....You can be for vaccination and against massive government over reach
@@MichaelGallagher97 fair point, well made
She demonized the protesters in Canada. She’s totally OK with the totalitarian creep and moron, Justin Trudeau.
The problem with Naomi and Yiannis Varoufakis (who i listen to ofen); is that they think the good revolution will happen only along certain lines any deviation does not compute. For example Yianis has written a book and coined technofedalusm' only now (an academic has written a book) are people to accept thar a siesmic shift in power has happened. Something that Russell Brand has alluded to instinctively for years, the difference with Rusell is that he listens to everyone takes all arguments into account... not just 'the left sais'
Fortunately you are of course very accountable :))
What a very interesting conversation.
Excellent interview with great questions. Naomi Klein's book is superb - everyone should read it!
4:38 It's a good point to not give such conspiracy loons the honour of the title of "theorist", but I'd go further in their description and call them "Information terrorists".
Governments and social media companies really need to do more to stop the flood of anti-rational "movements" that have no evidence to support them. The lack of action on the matter is how we get preventable disasters like Brexit.
There is a giant comspiry of people, who believe in conspiracies.
We of course , do not believe that any conspiracies even exist
Except if course , for the group of people who believe in conspiracies
It's sad she's done such a 180. She exposed the Shock Doctrine but then denies when it's being pulled on us.