Vegan vs KETO | Reversing Heart Disease
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- Veganism and therapeutic ketosis are completely opposite, but both promise to improve cardiovascular health. Why is there so much controversy on the best diet for heart health?
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One factor being overlooked is the inflammation caused by vegetable oils(soybean, corn, and canola) because of the method used to extract them from the seed. Avocado, olive, and coconut oils are fruit oils which are cold-pressed, and have some health benefits.
She’s passionate about getting you healthy. Listen to her, she’s into researching and making decisions based on good data.
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Your words hit home tonight.
No sugar, low low carb (or none), low calories, no processed foods
also... time restricted heating, preferably eating time window shifted towards the morning rather than later in the day.
I got rid of my fibromyalgia and all my pain on Keto. I try to help those who keep wanting to get rid of their pain by telling them about it. If it didn’t help me, I wouldn’t tell anyone about it.
That diet is terrific but the caveat is to be sure to keep carbs/sugars < 30 grams per day. Otherwise you're asking for trouble.
Excellent explanation! Love your passion and drive to help us understand! Thanks for all you are doing to spread good health habits!
You're the best I've seen in the describing of this disease!
You make it very easy to understand the origins, progression and the resolution.
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Thank you Dr. Boz!
Dr. Boz, thank you so much for this easily comprehensible explanation regarding the true etiology of heart disease. I wish all people who discussed science, and particularly aspects of health, gave such accessible talks. On top of being a doctor, you are truly a gifted teacher.
God bless you, Dr. Boz. You educate us right where we need it. Anyone who attacks you, I can guarantee you, is someone paid by a vested interest. And it simply means you are making headwaves. Thank you for continuining your mission.
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I’m 67 years old, been a doctor, Boz student and been doing keto for over three years. I am very lean and extremely insulin sensitive. Although my uric acid and cholesterol are a little bit high, all of my other metabolic markers are very good. My CAC score is zero. However, my CRP is 45! Any idea why?
When GPT4 was asked - "Is heart disease high among the Inuit people", the reply was :- "Yes, heart disease is a significant health concern among the Inuit people. The traditional marine diet eaten by older Inuit, which is high in omega-3 fatty acids, seems to protect them from cardiovascular disease (CVD). However, younger Inuit are shifting their diets away from these foods, which may increase their risk of heart disease1.
Data from the 1997 First Nations and Inuit Regional Health Survey suggested that heart disease was five times higher among First Nations and Inuit peoples than the rest of the Canadian population2. More recent data revealed a significantly higher prevalence of cardiovascular disease in First Nations compared to non-Aboriginal individuals". So it seems to depend on where you get your information from.
younger generations of all peoples', indigenous or not, are worsening with increases Omega 6 to 3 profile- Fry Bread etc
Nothing contradictory to what she said.
People that eat traditional Inuit diet don't have much heart disease, younger ones that aren't eating those foods (or those foods + "shit") are at a higher risk.
I don't think many people disagree that a high fat diet with high carbs too is bad.
Right-on Dr. Boz!
Dr of the year!
I live in japan and okinawans eat a lot of pork and meat fats as well. Every Japanese people eats an egg every day
They also eat high carbohydrate diet, on a percentage basis. Japanese health outcomes are due to their extremely low obesity rates.
@@kinpatu and portion control
Yes, and that's why they're no longer the longest lived people. This is not part of their traditional diet.
The Inuits can survive on a high fat low carb diet because of the high intensity of their lifestyle. It is said, we couch potatoes would have to walk at least 12 miles a day every day to keep up with them.
Don't they have a life expectancy of at least 10 years less than Canada average? I don't understand why they are often cited as an example.
Today there was a sale so i picked up 3 more cans of sardines and 3 more cans of mackerel. Thanks doc. Great 21 day class this time too.
Perfect timing on vid..just got diagnose with heart problem
Thank you xx❤
Dr, your channel is incredible, just now discovered it. No need to respond to me, but I'm wondering if you'll be making any videos related to colitis? My dad suffers from painful colitis and it impacts his life in so many ways. I'm trying to find something / anything to help him. Thank you for what you do! ❤
I tried the sardine fast for 3 days and I was surprised how much it helped me with anxiety. I must really be missing omega-3s. I tried to use the capsules but it did nothing in comparison to the sardines. I will be trying them again. They are on sale
Hi Dr Boz,
I have HBP and I just found out from my recent blood work that I am prediabetic and have high cholesterol. So I have decided to do your sardine fast. Is there any harm in doing it for 7 days? I know it's not a cure but I figured it's a good start. I'm on my 3rd day and enjoying it, and would like to know if there is any harm in continuing it for another 4 days. Please let me know, and thank you so much for the priceless education you provide.
I am 68 years old in very good physical shape. 6’2”, 186 lbs. My CAC was 70, six years ago. Last year my primary care detected a weak pulse in my feet. Subsequent testing determined I had some but not all blocked veins in my lower legs. How do I implement your hard cap strategy without making the blockages worse?
Low volume diet is what it should be labeled. Problem is, I'm a high volume eater and can't starve myself for 48 to 72 hours every week. Nor can I stay under 3000 calories per day. So, what works for me is low calorie, high volume foods. That's vegetables! Take it or leave it, I stay away from heart pain that way.
On a low carb high fat diet, cholesterol levels have a confusing pattern across time. In the first month the numbers go up because our intake allows cholesterol already int he body to be released into the blood. Levels go up. But a low carb diet causes fat to be swept out of the blood. The triglycerides are swept out of the blood and burned for fuel. The other types of cholesterol are made from triglycerides. The other types of cholesterol last about 3 months. So during months 2 through 4 our cholesterol levels drop slowly. Starting low carb high fat today leads to better numbers 4 months later. That delay can be very confusing. It's why so many low carb experts say to measure cholesterol before starting then after 6 month. It's to not watch this confusing pattern of events.
I'm not trying to argue for any side here, just curious about the truth. It was my understanding from listening to many experts (yes, plant based oriented) that the inuits actually had a high level of cardiovascular disease because of their diet. This rarely became an issue for them because of life expectancy generally being low. Dr. Boz, if you happen to read this comment, I'd be happy if you could share some light on this. I understand that experts sometime reach different conclusions, but having completely different views on the underlying facts (in this case, inuits and their cardiovascular health) seems odd. What is true and how come there isn't consensus?
So the problem is sugar in our diets?
Sugar is a drug 7x more addictive than cocaine, highly inflammatory, and drives SIBO/SIFO parasitic gut infections.
Dirty Genes by Ben Lynch is a great read if you want more knowledge.
I am still not convinced cholesterol plays a roll in damage of artery walls. Why not in veins? Maybe damaged cholesterol carrying lipids are present, but that may well be part of the same process. Very few discuss the Glycocalyx, and I believe it is part of the issue. Carbs make them retract the longest, and when excess glucose, insulin, oxalates, triglycerides and whatever else is then present under often higher pressure conditions with the kidneys being dis-regulated, along with oxidation possible breaking down the endothelial cell wall integrity, it is little wonder to me that damage occurs, or that the healing process is impeded as well as certain sites taking the brunt of the damage and improper repairs that occur over and over again, resulting in either a direct clog, or a break away scab that causes issues elsewhere.
Eating basic, complete nutrition lowers the blood pressure with normal insulin distribution and use, and lowers the amount of particles that can possibly cause damage, as well as keeps things that inhibit proper repair from occurring in the bloodstream, at least in my mind. This is why I think of carnivore as the most complete, basic nutrition we can get and then add what you are willing to take a chance with. The healthier we are, the more we tolerate and deal with 'food' items that do not efficiently contribute to proper body processes and functions. Basically, the diet needs to nourish, while also staying out of the way. There are plenty of other things in this world that can harm the body, make the diet the least harmful you can and be in a better position to deal with the rest of life.
PS: This is also why I think the trig/HDL ratio is a far better determinate of issues that high cholesterol. Get the blood as clean, uncluttered and efficient as you can for it to carry and deliver everything it needs, from nutrients in, to waste out.
Ivor Cummins covers the glycocalyx in some depth in one of his videos a couple of years ago.
@@aussiesam01 Yes, Ivor is great. He is one of the few who has.
Please listen to her❤❤❤❤❤
No, do not listen to her. Dr. Michael Greger is the one to follow.
I guess, you’ve not read the paper that states the dietary fat impairs endofilial function.
I’m still confused about wether or not autophagy removes this build up.
I have a short video on how to prepare sardines. It's due for publication on Sunday 17th March, 9.00 local time. I'd be interested to know what you think of it.
Great video, doc. Loved it. So I need to ask, then, how do we thin out the pimple? Cardiologists have told me that they want an LDL around 70-80, because under 80 will allow the LDL in the plaque or pimple to leak out. So how does that fit into your framework? Is it something where some patients might benefit to go vegetarian for a while, THEN go to eating higher fat foods? Can we do the reverse (high fat foods- make a thicker cap) first, followed by vegetarian diet for a time? Just curious, as I know this is a very complicated topic. Thanks, again. Loved the video.
I thought she said we want to thicken the protective sheath covering the ‘pimple’, not that we want to thin out the contents/underneath that layer.
@@nancycy9039 Yes. you're absolutely right. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, which is why I'm asking. Can we, excuse me for sounding gross, suck the pus out? Can we open up the artery again or will it heal with a partial blockage? Over time, does it thin out on it's own and heal- like most processes in the body can do given the time and correct nutrients? I hope that makes sense, but that's what I'm trying to understand.
@@picodegallo1959 I think her pimple analogy was off the mark just a bit. Most of us think of the ‘need’ to get the pus out of a pimple as getting rid of something ’bad’. She was saying that this cholesterol lining under the arterial wall is a fine/good thing and we need to eat correctly to keep that protective wall in place, not to decrease the amount of what’s underneath it.
Again, that’s what I understood her to mean. I’ll listen again…
@@nancycy9039 I understand where you're coming from. but my thinking is that that the pimple/pus pocket/plaque also has white blood cells in it. If the body reabsorbs the pus and cholesterol, then, I think, the problem resolves (if my thinking is correct). However, depending on diet, blood pressure, and stress, it can get bigger and bigger (like doc said). The diet controls the other two- with a proper diet we lose weight (keto), weight loss brings the blood pressure down. These two factors will allow the system to do it's job and heal this... unless the stress levels stay elevated. In that case, maybe it takes longer to heal or is such a strong signal that continues to increase the size of the plaque.
Can you make video on the keto bread in the market today
what is the next video? it did not get linked
2:20 Is there a way to make the "pimple" smaller also?
Haven't you heard about the indithelial glycocslix
What things can you share that could be helpful in the case of a very mild heart attack caused by spontaneous arterial dissection as a result of fibromuscular dysplasia in which the catheter procedure shows "pristine arteries" (actual quote by cardiologist) no plaque no buildup, great triglycerides and cholesterol a1c etc having been keto for 4 years, IF of 16:8 to 18:6 depending on the day in overweight category of BMI 53 years old working at a physical labor on the feet job 6 days a week about 50 hours a week for nearly a year.
Medical establishment hospital refused to allow salt fat cholesterol etc but plenty of starchy sugary blood sugar spiking foods. By the 3rd day of barely being able to eat (refusing to eat garbage) begged for a plate of asparagus with butter and salt was refused. Ended up fasting till went home and daughter made stake and dark meat chicken and some asparagus with real butter and real salt. Was told i shouldn't lift anything heavier than a jug of milk (8lbs) for a week and could stay out from work for the same because of catheterization through groin (my job required lifting 25-50 lbs several times throughout shift). Went back to work day after i got back home but didn't do the heavy lifting until the week was up.
Advised to not keep a physical labor job and not do things to get my heart rate up because it would raise my blood pressure during exercise and put me at risk for another heart attack. Disgusting. So I should basically eat blood sugar spiking garbage and live a sedentary life. Oh and eat fake salt and polyunsats margarine etc. EWW GROSS!
Follow up with cardiologist in my rural area, he dismissed SCAD and FMD said I didn't have those and that I didn't need to be seen again. When I asked what he assessed as the reason for my heart attack he literally said "sometimes shit happens" told me where the front door was, that I didn't need to stop at the desk and didn't need to ever come back. Fascinating since the hospital (which I was flown to in a small airplane from the rural area in which I reside) did catheterization, ultrasound, ecg, cat scan to diagnose me and he literally dismissed ALL of it. I was told by cardiologist at hospital I should be checked annually to monitor the situation but since the local cardiologist dismissed everything and didn't want to see me again I haven't had follow up in 18 months.
QUESTION:
Is there something specific that can be done that helps to keep the inner arterial wall from separating from the outer wall? And if so, how does the particular something work in the body, what function does it improve etc? (My heart attack was from a small flap of the separated lining slowing down blood flow to my heart)
BTW also have excellent immune system. Breezed through covid and never caught it once I got natural immunity even with several direct exposures including caring for my 90 year old grandma (when she got it from a fully vaxed family friend who stayed at her house), staying in her home eating at same table etc. I normally get a cold once a year but it's been at least 18 months since I've gotten one. I don't get sick even when the whole house is when I go stay with my grandkids, or when everyone i live with is sick, etc.
I've done a 36, 86, and 96 hour fast only once each and I did consume bone broth and a self concocted electrolyte solution during the 96 hour fast as I was working outside 14 hour days 6 days a week in the heat of August in South East Arizona (highs ranging from 105-115 most days) doing the census in 2020. 24 hour fasts are something I've done most of my adult life monthly for non-health reasons and those were difficult but being on keto is much easier cuz I don't feel like I haven't eaten in weeks or get the hunger pangs that feel like you just did 100 situps the day before (which I got every time when I was eating the recommended low fat blood sugar spiking garbage of the USDA).
What would be nr 1 supplement for healthy HEART ❤️ ?
A HSCRP test is not a test for heart disease. It is a test for overall inflammation in the body.
Which option has a greater tolerance for error?
After seeing your video of today, Wednesday, I can’t see the issue Utube has. 🤷🏼♀️
It must be someone new on the job.
The Brain signals the Liver each day to create a certain amount of Cholesterol for the day and the Liver at the same time also stores about 5,000 Cholesterol Units at all times if needed.
Any leftover Cholesterol at the end of the day is taken back into the Liver to be stored for use later on.
Cholesterol is a precursor for making over 200 Hormones and Hormone like substances to keep our bodies healthy.
Did you know the Brain signals the Liver each day to create a certain amount of Cholesterol and the Liver also always stores about 5,000 I.U. `Cholesterol Units for emergencies repair.
Any leftover Cholesterol at the end of the day is taken back into the Liver to be stored.
Cholesterol is a precursor for making over 200 Hormones and Hormone like substances to keep our bodies healthy.
Cholesterol is the First Thing we need to never block.
If you take medication to prevent Cholesterol
There are no such things as Bad Cholesterol.
In fact, Cholesterol is a Natural Healing Substance.
Cholesterol is your friend and helper.
The so-called Cholesterol Test does not actually measure Cholesterol but instead the Test measures a B Protein having nothing to do with Cholesterol.
The Brain signals the Liver each day to create a certain amount of Cholesterol and the Liver also stores about 5,000 Cholesterol International Units at all times.
Any leftover Cholesterol at the end of the day is taken back into the Liver to be stored.
Cholesterol is a precursor for making over 200 Hormones and Hormone like substances to keep our bodies healthy.
Cholesterol is the First Thing we need to create new cells.
If you take medication to prevent Cholesterol you are preventing yourself from being healthy.
Disclaimer: This was a Dilettante Presumption Theorem: All statements of fact, opinion, or analysis expressed do not necessarily reflect official positions or views or any other entity, past or present. Nothing in the contents should be construed as asserting or implying endorsement of interpretations and factual statements.
Does anyone know if keto can make scalp itchy? Really itchy. This startet few weeks after starting keto. It’s guite troubling with long hair. Since there is keto rash, maybe this is something similar?
The Inuit actually didn't have the best health... They got 70-75 years old, where in the Mediterranean area people get to 80+ easily and it's not rare to find people of 100 years old. Based on most studies I've seen I still prefer Mediterranean above keto. Whole grains have seem to be beneficial for the heart, legumes and fruits too. Ditching those in my opinion is a very bad idea. Also increasing saturated fats will increase apoB which is the best way to measure high risk of cardiovascular events.
Inuit are hunter gathers til today. They lived longer till others brought alcohol and carbs
I’ve been carnivore 1 year now. My blood pressure is going really high and really low! My last blood work my calcium was 1 point over normal. I wish I could figure out what’s going on.
Keto is bad for your heart. Check out Dr. Michel Greger.
Why did you move from South Dakota to Florida? Will you address the issues and controversy associated with this move? Are you being transparent with your RUclips audience?
My CRP was 0.40.
Progenitor or Pro Janitor ?? 😂😂 Zobbo !!
Thank you. How to connect with you. This heart patient is confused. After finally understanding that my WFPB diet wasn't working because of too many added processed foods, I come across your Keto diet that eliminates all carbs even if they are unprocessed. If I stay vegan WFPB diet and even my carbs are not processed, you are still advocating KETO is better? Laird
Start with the book ANYWAY YOU CAN...
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I just watched a video about prostate cancer and there's apparently a study showing that a "plant-based diet" with very little meat that shows a significant reduction in severe versions of prostate cancer. For the sake of argument, let's ignore whether the study is valid and just say that's a proven fact. In that case, I still have to chose Keto, because in every other way it's better for me.
Vitamin D deficiency is associated with prostate cancer.
Mid-day sun, sufficient magnesium, low insulin, and low (or normal) calcium are needed to create and convert cholesterol into Vitamin D.
I wonder if the plant based diet study affected some of these variables.
The problem with a lot of these things claiming plant based diets are good for this or that are people that tend to be strict vegetarian or vegan are health conscious so they usually don't smoke, don't drink a lot, exercise regularly etc.
And even dietwise even a strict carnivore would probably agree that whole food vegan is much healthier than SAD.
The "eating meat" people are usually SAD type eaters and "meat" include things like pizza with meat toppings, pasta with meat sauce/meatballs/sausages and lots of HIGH CARB foods.
I feel that LDL is not the problem, it's what we do to the LDL through a high carb low fat diet that is the problem. Not mention what that diet does to our vascular system.
Hi-carb/high-fat is the most destructive diet, I believe. That's the Standard American Diet. A truly low-fat diet (
Sardine fast caused me bad acid reflux.
She has said before that when sardines have skin with them, she hasn’t got that problem. I think she says it on this video: ”One week of sardines - how did that turn out?”
@@Ekatilini I did a 72 hours sardine fast with boneless skinless sardines but they were in olive oil which I drained as much as I could. I might try again in a couple of moths but right now I gotta calm this acid reflux down.
@@gphillips3775 It's the bad olive oil, do you think they would use high quality olive oil in a can of sardines? :) That olive oil is already rancid with a mixture of other bad seed oils that they don't have to tell you. Mackerel in water is just as good too.
vegan carbosis can help, I think. Kempner diet.
Why not just get a mid-face lift? Go see Dr. Amir Karam in San Diego. He is the best. Why go through all this as it doesn't really work on its own to make enough of a difference. Doesn't address your sagging jowls or neck. I have several friends who have tried. Just go get your muscles tightened and loose skin removed. I am sure there are several talented surgeons near you who can make you look how you feel.
@Dr Boz. I am following a Keto diet. However, I just Googled the Research about Okinawa's diet. And to my surprise, they are consuming plants and fruits and very low fat. I am very confused about which of the stats are true about their diet. I don't want to keep doing Keto and eventually find out I have a heart issue. I am 34 yrs old by the way.
There's a speech that I cannot find, given by a young woman who talks about the work that's been done with high-carb/low-fat. She says the "magic" appears when the fat content of the diet is kept below 10% of daily calories. Supposedly this level of low fat will cure heart disease and diabetes, but the diet is very hard to maintain.
There's a guy who will teach you how to cook this way. His website is called Simnett Nutrition. I believe he's also on RUclips.
Well, yes, but if they’re the same, then let’s just pick vegan
Former vegan (with cheese). Vegan is a Ultra Rich diet: need constant checking and tweaking! Going to cost you more in Dr. & suppliments than food...keto/carnivore is so much cheaper!!! Eat real animal foods...skip the veggies and live longer with less tweaking!
LOL vegan (with cheese) is NOT vegan.
The problem is that carnivore diet is high in protein and iron, bad for me.
3:54 That's not true at all. They had heart disease, they simply, historically (they eat food from the store now), DIED from other things before heart disease could kill them. Their average life span was 40yrs old. There were studies done on very well preserved Inuit bodies, bodies frozen in the tundra from the time before the Inuit had any exposure to Europeans and lived their traditional lifestyle, and the bodies were riddled with cardiovascular disease, atherosclerosis, and other. Go ahead. Explain that.
Innuit women in Canada have a life expectancy of 72.8 years, compared with 81.3 years for the rest of the country.
The harsh environment might have something to do with their shorter lifespan. Do they still eat the traditional diet, or do they mainly eat food shipped in from the south?
I like keto. But carnivore is similar to veganism. They are both extreme diets where you have to supliment some nutrients to be healthy long term.
All the carnivore docs I’ve heard say that supplements are not needed: everything we need is in the fatty meat. Of note is that we are also cutting out tremendous amounts of harmful things.
flat wrong
@@nancycy9039 Exactly. Plenty of examples of knowledgeable carnivore docs, some who are recent converts having realized that the advice they had been giving patients all these years about "moderation" was actually hurting them.
Zero need for supplementation on a proper carnivore diet. And it's so **easy** to do carnivore correctly!
Carnivore only seems "extreme" because it goes against the fraudulent "food pyramid" propaganda which has been hammered into our heads for our entire lives.
It is not extreme at all when you look at the biological and evolutionary realities.
Carnivore for 5+ years and for the last year I have taken no supplements unless you count salt 🤣
@@y00t00b3r this is not a matter for opinion. Only for science. Carnivores doo not not need to supplement their diets. Vegans do.
So does anyone know about this guy Chris Wark who wrote books and has many social media pages etc. who talks vegan for cancer..??He had cancer when he was 26 and has been vegan since then and tries and convince people to go vegan for all disease He is really popular and some what famous now..He has utube channels etc.....He is now in his forties but he did have surgery...He drank veggies juices and large salads for months and no chemo......Is he hurting people?.....I was vegan and got sick so now Im eating meat and fish and eggs....
A plant based diet (Chris's version) is long term malnutrition, maybe unless you study plants really well and eat a perfect plant diet (but nobody really knows exactly what to combine).
Meat based is very nutritious and is extremely easy to do.
Both diets cut out lots if not all sugar which feeds cancer and there is your answer, cutting out processed foods is also very beneficial.
@@Meathead-10810 right but he seems to be doing well but he's still young at 45...wait until he gets older and needs iron and minerals and choline and taurine and B12 etc etc..cant swallow enough pills ...
@@Meathead-10810I think you nailed it.
Vegan >> SAD
BUT it's probably the worst of the better options.
Cut out most processed crap and keep carbs in check then you're ahead of the game regardless of if the bulk of your food is organic vegetables or quality meat
Yes, but have you seen how the innuit look or age 😊 ? Even if they reach 70's. I would go for Africa all day long 😊 And be true to our tropical nature
History shows that we typically move towards colder climates
Veganism is NOT a diet! The word "vegan" was coined by members of the Vegan Society (UK) in the late 1940s and was heavily influenced by Albert Schweitzer's writings on Reverence for Life. The definition still stands today and is as follows:
"Veganism is a way of living which excludes all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, the animal kingdom, and includes a reverence and compassion for all life. It applies to the practice of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals.
Veganism remembers man's responsibilities to the earth and its resources and seeks to bring about a healthy soil and plant kingdom and a proper use of the materials of the earth."
If you are against ugly animal exploitation and cruelty for selfish pleasure or profit, then you are already holding vegan values. Your next step is to walk your talk and be vegan. As far as diet goes, plants can provide all of the nutrients our bodies need to thrive...., but it's best to choose whole plant foods over junk food.
'...plants can provide all of the nutrients our bodies need to thrive...." This statement is False, better known by another word beginning with 'L'. You do not get vitamin B12 with the vegan diet, and you will die a horrible slow agonizing death. Strict veganism is a death diet. "Save the animals, kill the people!"
No one cares, it's a cult; just like Dr Kellogg and his vegan followers who also had crazy beliefs
Keto is a joke... I've been on that road for 4 years and I can tell you, it damn hard to get into Ketosis, even if you eat 2 meals a day(12:00 PM and 06:00 PM), in my case I didn't even get past 1.0 of Ketosis. ALSO, I FELT HUNGRY AND BROKEN ALL THE TIME! They tell us to eat more electrolytes.. really? If I eat more electrolytes that would increase my carbs as well... what a JOKE!
Just imagine... if you want to drink smoothie of veggies, you just CAN'T because that would increase your carbs to some extent.. KETO IS A JOKE!
I Threw away the Ketogenic Diet to add a smoothie of veggies(about 1000mg -- collards, spinach, green chards) in my diet every day!
Just low your carbs, eat good and that's alright.
You sound like you never got your carbs low enough to get into ketosis. You can get plenty of carbs and still eat only twice a day. Meal count has nothing to do with it. Did you think to try Dr. Boz' "sardine fast"? When a person is in ketosis, he won't be hungry. When I''m doing it, I eat because it's time to eat because I'm almost never hungry.
Or go to the Diet Doctor website for good instruction.
Keto is a stepping stone to carnivore. I too was hungry on keto but not on carnivore.