@@grandmarquee Nice. Unsolicited suggestion try Dark Victory. It's the follow up story of The Long Halloween. Hush has nice art and lots of cool action, but I think it give to many clues away early on to guess the ending.
@@grandmarqueeenjoy the books my man.Definitely pick up Dark victory without trying to be different it’s my favourite of the two.Tim Sale nails the noir style and so many references to the Godfather movies if u are a fan.
Dr. Doom is the quintessential super villain. The reason why he is held in such regard is because of his limited appearances. He isn’t constantly thrown in the face of readers or diluted by over saturation (like a guy named Logan). When Doom appears, and is handled by a competent writer, it’s significant and the chances of it being world breaking are high. You will get at least ONE memorable moment or a based quote. Joker…kills people and laughs. Wonderful.🙄. But he is better than the lady that works at the DMV.
What little I know of Dr Doom he is a man with a plan and the Joker would come along and mess up the man with a plan. The threat of Joker he is the absolute total illogical wildcard. Doom has a logical structure behind his plans and thus can be countered.
@@PrivateCitizen84 yeah but Doom is actually a threat to the Superpowered community Joker isn't. and don't bring up injustice because that's 1 not canon and 2 written by an incompetent hack
@@vortechx7176 Not into Injustice. Not a big fan of alts really. Lex, Joker and Batman are not meta humans. Joker not being Superpowered doesn't mean anything. He can implement other resources/people to achieve his kind of choas. He is very good at that. He doesn't always go for direct personal action. He would find some way to mess with Dr Doom structured logical plans for the hell of it. Joker breaks plans.
@@vortechx7176 Yes Dr Doom is all that and? Doctor Strange learnt magic and? That means magic has a structure to it via spells. Joker breaks structure he attacks the order of things and creates choas. Dr Doom is a villain of order. You can't really plan to trap the Joker a villain of choas. Even baiting Joker with Batman he might go oh not this time doing something else. Joker could bait and trap Dr Doom.
Man, when did BLW become so hated. I quit comics at around 2019 and just came back a couple months ago and everyone loved him back then, weird how it changed. Havent read death metal yet so maybe that was the problem? (Morrirons Talia sucks tho)
@@hubapecsek6284 I read Court of Owls which got me realy over hyped for more New 52 Batman. Then I read nine more volumes and I was oh. Then I read Black Mirror I was like oh. Then I just read BWL and I was like oh. The whole concept of cosmic Batman and infinite Batman doesn't work for me. I like the street level detective stuff. New 52 introduced that infinite clone Batman. So we could of had Bruce Wayne at the end of all time and space. One Batman is special the many are not.
@@hubapecsek6284 Overexposure. He was everywhere when Synder was at the helm. And always had to one-up everyone. He's losing/he's dying, no it was always part of his plan. That gets old really freaking fast.
There time i forget Amanda Waller even there in the comics. She always at the beginning of the book to explain what the mission is for the Suicide Squad then leave and we never see her again.
I think what would he cool is to hear the good and bad points about joker and Waller. I think Waller is the biggest Villian for her archtype right now with Ross being a hero now She is in that Thunderbolt Ross, Director Bones, Sarge Steel, max lord in checkmate role. You went so hard on Waller I was like man let’s balance some things out a bit😅
She's the villain of this event. Hyping the villain of a particular event is very standard. Hyping Joker in the middle of an event in which Waller is the star would have been incredibly odd. I do not understand this complaint.
The joker is most psychotic being that has ever been published in comic book history. A lot of people forget about post crisis joker the most deadliest and unhinged version of joker there ever was. Especially when emperor joker storyline, and infinite crisis how he went on a rampage because he wasn't invited to supervillains team up and went crazy on villains and deleted them. The joker is one of those guys you rather team up with than to have him turn on you because you didn't invite him.
Most Popular: Joker. Worse Villain: Mephisto. Most powerful: Malebolgia or Dormammu. My Personal Favorite: Dormammu. DC's most intelligent Villain: Brainiac prime. Personal Favorite Batman Villain: Scarecrow and Riddler. Most Over Used Villain: The Joker. nouf said.
The Joker being alive is the real joke. By now someone, not Batman, not Gordon, not any member of the Bat Family would do it but a friend or family member of one of the Jokers victims would have killed him. Have the brother of some young woman who was killed by the Joker be an Army sniper and have him end him from a distance. Then have Batman do some Detective work to figure out who it was. And then after a confrontation/conversation, Batman has to decide if he wants to bring him in or let him go back to serving his country.
@@dongleason9878 no the conversion won't matter how many times Batman stopped someone from killing the joker not mention that he actually helped him escape whe he was sentenced to death
DC: "One, Amanda Waller needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Amanda Waller's not on the page, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's Amanda Waller?' Three--" Readers: "Great, great. Just leave the comics right there on the floor on your way out."
If it's classic Amazo, Dr. Ivo created that one. Idk what's going on with DC lore from the last few years - maybe she created it all now. Waller was always a decent heavy for a very specific type of story, but she has often been written as someone who wants the best for her country, willing to work with the Justice League when necessary - this from the comics and, maybe even better written, the JL Unlimited animated series. Not in the same vein as Joker at all. Screen Rant knows best, I guess - said no one ever.
Joker used to be cool. Until they twisted his character into being obsessed with knives and mutilation and grotesqueness instead of bad jokes and tomfoolery.
@RamManNo1 This 100%! I'm at the point where I hate the Joker so much that I'd be fine if DC killed him off for good. He is so one note. He is basically Art The Clown; disturbing, unfunny and someone who will eventually torture you, mutilate you and kill you. That's not fun or funny.
The Joker is the Greatest (not just DC), but the GREATEST fictional villain ever made and Amanda Waller is just boring and overused . She's even getting a Freaking TV show soon ! For goodness sakes, enough Waller.
@@tayojones9460 Yeah, DC doesn't understand Joker at all ! Joker is the very definition of a Supervillain...a perfect arch nemesis, a criminal mastermind, a ruthless psychopath and one of the most potentially dangerous people in fiction... And Waller is an angry old woman. DC doesn't get a number of characters anymore... Superman Batman Wonder woman Tim Drake Harley Quinn Barry Allen Flash (if DC even remembers he exists) Alan Scott Poison Ivy Wally West (or, as Wally won't SHUT UP about, "the fastest flash !"... because writers thing being faster than Barry makes Wally a better Flash...sure) DC has seriously dropped the ball.
What does that even mean dude? Everybody knows the joker. nobody knows you. Be a shill for Waller, you get noticed. The joker is the only villain that could be Batman. Do some research.
There's a certain irony "The Wall's" biggest storyline is a retread of how the Suicide Squad were originally rebooted in John Ostrander's "Legends" back in the day. Where Darkseid orchestrated public disapproval of Superheroes having Captain Marvel "murder" a villain an a false flag incident allowing Dr. Bedlam to sow discord. So she is using Batman's Failsafe, Brainiac's queen, Professor Ivo's Amazo robots and Darkseids plan in her ultimate moment. Nothing if not derivative.
Yup, DC has a new super villain,the one that was behind the scenes all along (it’s self).This channel is one of the only down to earth , honest and great comedic content. God bless
Read that book over the past two days. Wanted to finally see what all the fuss was about. That book solidfied why I like street level detective Batman than cosmic Batman. Kind of one of the reasons why I dropped the JLA stuff due to cosmic/world ending threats. Dark metal concept and name is cringe.
I think it's all, just a matter of taste. You said in all of DC, not just Amanda vs Joker. I would have personally picked Black Adam at one time, but I have to look at, who is irredeemable. That prize goes to Ras-Al Ghul, and his league of Shadows.
DC have been desperately trying to make her the anti-Nick Fury since the first Suicide Squad movie. She's not even at the level of Maxwell Lord. The order goes Joker, Lex Luthor and then everyone else.
1:49: You have too much faith in your fellow man. Some people absolutely would buy into this whole heartedly. Remember the idea that Superman And Wonder Woman are basically gods in comparison to everyone else. That just installs an instinctual fear, regardless of what they did. It's called the force multiplier principle, Imagine you were in a room with a guy with a force multiplier. There is nothing the man with the force multiplier could do. That would relieve your fears that he couldn't just turn on you on the spot. That's basically Superman and the rest of the Justice League really.
The Joker its' so unique in so many levels. I think Waller have the same treatment like Maxwell Lord had in the early of the 2000's from DC. I always see Waller like a bad guy working with the government and the heroes in some ocasions and yet with some standards.But now she's the new Lex Luthor. Absolute Power plot makes zero sense because DC heroes are beloved by the common citizens. DC just should stop in trying be like Marvel.This just don't work.
I concede that the Joker is the greatest comic book villain of all time on the 'total pop culture spectrum" (even people who have never read a comic book, watched a comic book based cartoon, television show or movie) know the character and if on a quiz show with that being the question, that would likely be the answer. But considering just hard core comic book fans familiar with some of the greatest stories over the decades featuring the two, and taking into account scheming, ambition, power set, intellect, arsenal, total match ups (body count) against multiple heroes (of both publishers at that) not just your main nemesis and even other villains for that matter, the crown goes to Dr. Doom. Not even a contest. Doom is the G.O.A.T. (and i'm a DC over Marvel guy mostly). The Joker would be #2 in this regard None of the films over the years have not done him justice unfortunately, and i have always maintained Doom should not be the villain in a premiere Fantastic Four film, he should be the sequel so you can devote a script fleshing out what makes him so special (and not trying the balancing act of telling the FF's origin and his in 2 hours). Hopefully they get it right this time.
Only thing Amanda Waller is "not to read" factor for storylines. If i see Amanda Waller related anything, i pass right away. 1-2 Panels like in Hush storyline, that's enough air time for her.
Is it Commander Star? I guess there is gonna be a squadron supreme version of the Avengers. I know the DC version of the Avengers are actually respected.
You mean it isn’t Marie Javins? Oh, a villain character…. Hmmmm, …. No love for Doctor Dee? Amanda Waller is a great ruthless bureaucrat, but in comparison to the Joker she isn’t remotely in the running. It would be interesting to see Alan Moore or Warren Ellis do a series of stories for DC where the Joker is the villain for the other main DC heroes. The reason why Joker goes off to torment Superman is because the Joker gets tired of constantly loses to Bats. Imagine if Joker turned out to be the real main antagonist for the Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Question, or the Green Arrow? Just trying to avoid any of the Batman family. Thanks for bringing up the Joker’s stint at out-doing Lex Luthor (as President of the United States). I wonder if DC will be the first of the big two to start selling off their IP to creative teams and publishers with drive and talent?
Amanda Waller is a joke it’s laughable that she’s a better villain than all the top villains. Absolute power is sooooo boring makes me long for Knight Terrors 😂😂 I still haven’t figured out exactly how the Amazo’s are stealing powers.
So, using the Screen Rant article logic, given her accomplishments of disinformation to turn the public against superheroes, A-man-duh Waller is like J. Jonah Jameson, multiplied by how many members there are in the Justice League, Teen Titans, etc.? That JJJ sure sets a high bar.
This article is the equivalent of that BreadTube video that tried to say Dark Souls II is good because the first Dark Souls wasn't that good and it fixed it. I haven't even played DSII to judge it as a game, but I know that trying to make something that's divisive better by tearing down something fans love is never going to work. Personally, I hate that they took a nuanced character like Amanda Waller and turned her into a generic bad guy.
Amanda Waller is better as an antiheroine or a reluctant assistant to the heroes/villains (in cases like President Lex Luthor) than she ever has been as a villain.
This is such a strange thing to complain about. Hyping an event villain is a very standard, ordinary practice. Randomly hyping Joker during an event in which Waller is the star would have been an incredibly odd decision. The Thinking Critical guy complaining about this is just weird.
Waller, been reading since her debut, back on Legends, in the 80's. She was a good character. She was good in the old DC animation. But top of the food chain? No. There are villains that outclass her, by far. Joker Lex Luthor Circe Bane Ra's al Ghul Zoom Black Adam Darkseid Mr. Freeze Just to name a few. But there are many characters that are bigger threats, and more engaging to read, than Waller. I'm sure citizens and heroes of the DCU would be more fearful of Joker gunning for them, than Waller, even with all her government contacts. Joker and Luthor are main event, while Waller is upoer mid card, at best.
Why don't they just come out with a character named Agenda as the most attractive, skilled, intelligent, and powerful being, both hero and villain. It's all over boils down to the last five years or so.
But Wes Weston you don't understand-o, Amanda Waller has one ace up her sleeves that makes her the most villianous villian to ever villian. She can...say the N-word!!!
I like Amanda Waller, but she is nowhere near the level Joker is. Not many are. And pushing her and trying to make her this global-threat villain is nonsensical. She's not even a villain for me. She is a shadowy government agent. She works best in that capacity. By the way, weren't heroes' credibility at stake in the 80s' with the Legends crossover (Waller's first appearance)?
The Joker is the least interesting villain in my book. So tired and overused, I walk right past any cover with him on it. If you can't create an interesting story around a different character you shouldn't be writing Batman comics.
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Batman is more afraid of Calendar Man than Amanda Waller
I just bought The Long Halloween hardcover and I'm about to read it for the first time. Also picked up Hush.
@@grandmarquee Nice. Unsolicited suggestion try Dark Victory. It's the follow up story of The Long Halloween. Hush has nice art and lots of cool action, but I think it give to many clues away early on to guess the ending.
@@PrivateCitizen84 I'll look it up and add it to my list. Thanks.
@@grandmarqueeenjoy the books my man.Definitely pick up Dark victory without trying to be different it’s my favourite of the two.Tim Sale nails the noir style and so many references to the Godfather movies if u are a fan.
Calendar Man is actually cool.
But even Amanda Waller has to kneel in front of Marvels New Top Villain, Paul.
Absolutely right.
Even Mephfisto kneels to him, don't fuck with Paul
Condiment King vs Paul we gotta know who is the top villain.
Amanda waller isn't even top 500.
Pfff, not even Top 1000.
Amanda Waller plan will backfire badly like it always does.
I didnt even think she was a villain. She was like the Nick Fury of Dc in my eyes. Working for heroes while being morally questionable
Tell that to her weight scale🤣
but they need fat black woman, here we are
Let’s be honest, DMV workers that look like here are my worst enemies
Flash Slothmore: Hey! That. is. not. nice. I. will. help. you. next. month...
I thought Joker already lost the title to Wally West during Heroes in Crisis.
Fair point
Read Ostrander run on Suicide Squad and Legend 6 issue series , that's the only true version of Amanda Waller.
And even there Waller is a manipulative jerkass.
It is also the definitive portrayal of the Suicide Squad.
Agreed.
This is just an aftereffect of DC making way too much Suicide Squad
The Squad is a victim of their own popularity
Kyle Rayner: Amanda Waller told me to get into my own refrigerator in order to qualify for Suicide Squad.
Dr. Doom is the quintessential super villain.
The reason why he is held in such regard is because of his limited appearances.
He isn’t constantly thrown in the face of readers or diluted by over saturation (like a guy named Logan).
When Doom appears, and is handled by a competent writer, it’s significant and the chances of it being world breaking are high.
You will get at least ONE memorable moment or a based quote.
Joker…kills people and laughs. Wonderful.🙄. But he is better than the lady that works at the DMV.
What little I know of Dr Doom he is a man with a plan and the Joker would come along and mess up the man with a plan. The threat of Joker he is the absolute total illogical wildcard. Doom has a logical structure behind his plans and thus can be countered.
@@PrivateCitizen84 yeah but Doom is actually a threat to the Superpowered community Joker isn't. and don't bring up injustice because that's 1 not canon and 2 written by an incompetent hack
@@vortechx7176 Not into Injustice. Not a big fan of alts really. Lex, Joker and Batman are not meta humans. Joker not being Superpowered doesn't mean anything. He can implement other resources/people to achieve his kind of choas. He is very good at that. He doesn't always go for direct personal action. He would find some way to mess with Dr Doom structured logical plans for the hell of it. Joker breaks plans.
@@PrivateCitizen84 joker is nothing compared to Doctor Doom who is not only a master scientist but also a powerful sorcerer who rivals Doctor strange
@@vortechx7176 Yes Dr Doom is all that and? Doctor Strange learnt magic and? That means magic has a structure to it via spells. Joker breaks structure he attacks the order of things and creates choas. Dr Doom is a villain of order. You can't really plan to trap the Joker a villain of choas. Even baiting Joker with Batman he might go oh not this time doing something else. Joker could bait and trap Dr Doom.
Amanda Waller? I think even Batman Who Laughs or Morrison's Talia are better villains than Amanda Waller and they are bottom tier level villains.
OMG no that Dark Metal cosmic stuff is cringe and its New 52 Batman so extra cringe.
Man, when did BLW become so hated. I quit comics at around 2019 and just came back a couple months ago and everyone loved him back then, weird how it changed. Havent read death metal yet so maybe that was the problem? (Morrirons Talia sucks tho)
@@hubapecsek6284 I read Court of Owls which got me realy over hyped for more New 52 Batman. Then I read nine more volumes and I was oh. Then I read Black Mirror I was like oh. Then I just read BWL and I was like oh. The whole concept of cosmic Batman and infinite Batman doesn't work for me. I like the street level detective stuff. New 52 introduced that infinite clone Batman. So we could of had Bruce Wayne at the end of all time and space. One Batman is special the many are not.
Talia be a genocial villain always make sense for me. She's the devil daughter after all.
@@hubapecsek6284 Overexposure. He was everywhere when Synder was at the helm. And always had to one-up everyone. He's losing/he's dying, no it was always part of his plan. That gets old really freaking fast.
Nobody loses sleep over what Amanda Waller might do next.
Except the guy who owns the buffet.
Agent Mulder: Scully, I can't sleep at night.
Agent Scully: Stop reading DC comics featuring Amanda Waller.
Wallet could be defeated with a budget cut and a pink slip.
There time i forget Amanda Waller even there in the comics. She always at the beginning of the book to explain what the mission is for the Suicide Squad then leave and we never see her again.
Absolute Power is Waid just dunking on himself and he doesn’t even realize it.
Amanda Waller isn't a villain. Making her into a supervillain is missing the point of the character. This entire event is absurd.
DC missed the point on a lot of their characters years ago
You get rid of all heroes, what do you do when a planet destroying threat shows up? 🤣
you pull a supper villains like Bane, Harley, white Deadshot /s
you pull a supper villains like Bane, Harley, white Deadshot /s
Villains pick a new planet.
I love how this story is acting like it’s new and revolutionary when Superheroes becoming the public enemy is a old trope as old as comics
Everyone has taken over Gotham killed me 😂
Isn't it true though? Calendar man is next in line
I quit paying attention to Screen Rant years ago.
I'm so old I remember Amanda Waller being essentially on the side of good.
I think what would he cool is to hear the good and bad points about joker and Waller.
I think Waller is the biggest Villian for her archtype right now with Ross being a hero now
She is in that Thunderbolt Ross, Director Bones, Sarge Steel, max lord in checkmate role.
You went so hard on Waller I was like man let’s balance some things out a bit😅
To be honest, for me Darkseid and Joker are top DC villains. They represent completely different approaches, but they are epic when fully unleashed.
Amanda Waller is such a jerk that makes no sense for her to be this big of a villain in my opinion.
She's presidential material.
@@aqdrobert lol probably yes
She's the villain of this event. Hyping the villain of a particular event is very standard. Hyping Joker in the middle of an event in which Waller is the star would have been incredibly odd. I do not understand this complaint.
@@MarsM13 agreed
The joker is most psychotic being that has ever been published in comic book history. A lot of people forget about post crisis joker the most deadliest and unhinged version of joker there ever was. Especially when emperor joker storyline, and infinite crisis how he went on a rampage because he wasn't invited to supervillains team up and went crazy on villains and deleted them. The joker is one of those guys you rather team up with than to have him turn on you because you didn't invite him.
J Jonah Jamison has been doing this for years and no one think he is a villain. I guess jjj is the greatest marvel villain
These people in in all kinds of media really haven't got the memo about how much sway they don't have in our lives anymore! 😂
"all you need is to repeat a slogan"
looks like a writer has never read a book.
He has read a book about WW2 and Goebbels.
But i think that the writer is trying to point towards the slogan: Make America Great Again.
He never read a book. He watches network news and follows influencers online. He's highly informed.
Most Popular: Joker.
Worse Villain: Mephisto.
Most powerful: Malebolgia or Dormammu.
My Personal Favorite: Dormammu.
DC's most intelligent Villain: Brainiac prime.
Personal Favorite Batman Villain: Scarecrow and Riddler.
Most Over Used Villain: The Joker.
nouf said.
Most Overused Marvel Villian(s): Venom and every Symbiote created since Carnage (1992), especially BEN REILLY.
Worst Villian: Onslaught (Marvel)
Worst Villian: The Beyonder (DC)
I love Joker but it's about time other villains get the spotlight. My boy Mr. Freeze needs his own movie.
The Joker being alive is the real joke. By now someone, not Batman, not Gordon, not any member of the Bat Family would do it but a friend or family member of one of the Jokers victims would have killed him. Have the brother of some young woman who was killed by the Joker be an Army sniper and have him end him from a distance. Then have Batman do some Detective work to figure out who it was. And then after a confrontation/conversation, Batman has to decide if he wants to bring him in or let him go back to serving his country.
YOU KNOW BATMAN WILL BRING THEM IN
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Depends on the conversation.
@@dongleason9878 no the conversion
won't matter
how many times Batman stopped someone from killing the joker
not mention that he actually helped him escape whe he was sentenced to death
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω Good point
DC: "One, Amanda Waller needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Amanda Waller's not on the page, all the other characters should be asking 'Where's Amanda Waller?' Three--"
Readers: "Great, great. Just leave the comics right there on the floor on your way out."
If it's classic Amazo, Dr. Ivo created that one. Idk what's going on with DC lore from the last few years - maybe she created it all now.
Waller was always a decent heavy for a very specific type of story, but she has often been written as someone who wants the best for her country, willing to work with the Justice League when necessary - this from the comics and, maybe even better written, the JL Unlimited animated series. Not in the same vein as Joker at all.
Screen Rant knows best, I guess - said no one ever.
Joker used to be cool. Until they twisted his character into being obsessed with knives and mutilation and grotesqueness instead of bad jokes and tomfoolery.
@RamManNo1 This 100%! I'm at the point where I hate the Joker so much that I'd be fine if DC killed him off for good. He is so one note. He is basically Art The Clown; disturbing, unfunny and someone who will eventually torture you, mutilate you and kill you. That's not fun or funny.
Doom vs. Joker. That's like an actual Superman vs. Batman fight, over REAL quick.
Well thats what real villans do now. Pysop after pysop
This seems like a paid article to try to salvage Waid’s boring-ass political screed posing as an event. 🤔
100% tell tale markings of if you scratch my butt, I’ll sniff yours.
Bold of him to make Amanda Waller the bad guy, then!
Press X to doubt.
The Joker is the Greatest (not just DC), but the GREATEST fictional villain ever made and Amanda Waller is just boring and overused .
She's even getting a Freaking TV show soon ! For goodness sakes, enough Waller.
I do not know about greatest but he is one of the best. Or was until DC ruined him
@@tayojones9460 Yeah, DC doesn't understand Joker at all ! Joker is the very definition of a Supervillain...a perfect arch nemesis, a criminal mastermind, a ruthless psychopath and one of the most potentially dangerous people in fiction... And Waller is an angry old woman.
DC doesn't get a number of characters anymore...
Superman
Batman
Wonder woman
Tim Drake
Harley Quinn
Barry Allen Flash (if DC even remembers he exists)
Alan Scott
Poison Ivy
Wally West (or, as Wally won't SHUT UP about, "the fastest flash !"... because writers thing being faster than Barry makes Wally a better Flash...sure)
DC has seriously dropped the ball.
Joker is king. Waller has access to a jail roster not a superpower.
Neither does the Joker.
He's rhe most overblown villain in comics
What does that even mean dude? Everybody knows the joker. nobody knows you. Be a shill for Waller, you get noticed. The joker is the only villain that could be Batman. Do some research.
Joker cut off his own face and then captured the bat family and pretended to serve them their own faces for dinner. That's hard to top
Amanda Waller isn’t worthy to hold the Joker’s jock strap!
Waller: Weasel, stop stealing my socks. No face licking. You are ruining my DCU street cred.
Thank you for mentioning Jokers Iranian Ambassador Arc
There's a certain irony "The Wall's" biggest storyline is a retread of how the Suicide Squad were originally rebooted in John Ostrander's "Legends" back in the day. Where Darkseid orchestrated public disapproval of Superheroes having Captain Marvel "murder" a villain an a false flag incident allowing Dr. Bedlam to sow discord. So she is using Batman's Failsafe, Brainiac's queen, Professor Ivo's Amazo robots and Darkseids plan in her ultimate moment. Nothing if not derivative.
"All hope lies in Doom"
THIS!
Yup, DC has a new super villain,the one that was behind the scenes all along (it’s self).This channel is one of the only down to earth , honest and great comedic content. God bless
Finally, Condiment King’s time to shine has arrived.
sick of Waller at this point would jump for joy if a reboot happened and she was left in comic limbo
Also "the world turns on the Superheroes" are only below "somebody is robbing a place" when it comes to plots that have been repeated.
Well, at least they haven't bring back Batman Who Laugh......... Yet😮😅
Read that book over the past two days. Wanted to finally see what all the fuss was about. That book solidfied why I like street level detective Batman than cosmic Batman. Kind of one of the reasons why I dropped the JLA stuff due to cosmic/world ending threats. Dark metal concept and name is cringe.
No; the most destructive villain in DC is Tini Howard.
DEI Villains now. They just like digging deeper don't they.
Awesome work mate
Superheroes lost people's trust in the "Legends" mini-series event in the 80s.
The people were manipulated by Darksied.
@artmin100 I think he's involved with this time too!
Amanda Waller is just a plot device at best.
This is by far the best video you've posted! 👏
I think it's all, just a matter of taste. You said in all of DC, not just Amanda vs Joker. I would have personally picked Black Adam at one time, but I have to look at, who is irredeemable.
That prize goes to Ras-Al Ghul, and his league of Shadows.
DC have been desperately trying to make her the anti-Nick Fury since the first Suicide Squad movie. She's not even at the level of Maxwell Lord. The order goes Joker, Lex Luthor and then everyone else.
I had my suspicion that Waller was the one somebody had decided was the big baddie now. Uhhhhhh, yea. I guess it was a slow news day for DC.
1:49: You have too much faith in your fellow man.
Some people absolutely would buy into this whole heartedly.
Remember the idea that Superman And Wonder Woman are basically gods in comparison to everyone else.
That just installs an instinctual fear, regardless of what they did.
It's called the force multiplier principle, Imagine you were in a room with a guy with a force multiplier.
There is nothing the man with the force multiplier could do.
That would relieve your fears that he couldn't just turn on you on the spot.
That's basically Superman and the rest of the Justice League really.
To me, the greatest villain in comic book history is Magneto. The Joker's up there but he's not on Magneto's level.
The Joker its' so unique in so many levels. I think Waller have the same treatment like Maxwell Lord had in the early of the 2000's from DC. I always see Waller like a bad guy working with the government and the heroes in some ocasions and yet with some standards.But now she's the new Lex Luthor. Absolute Power plot makes zero sense because DC heroes are beloved by the common citizens. DC just should stop in trying be like Marvel.This just don't work.
And here I thought DC made their own version of Paul or something.
Perhaps she could team up with Black Manta and the situation would grow even darker.
I concede that the Joker is the greatest comic book villain of all time on the 'total pop culture spectrum" (even people who have never read a comic book, watched a comic book based cartoon, television show or movie) know the character and if on a quiz show with that being the question, that would likely be the answer.
But considering just hard core comic book fans familiar with some of the greatest stories over the decades featuring the two, and taking into account scheming, ambition, power set, intellect, arsenal, total match ups (body count) against multiple heroes (of both publishers at that) not just your main nemesis and even other villains for that matter, the crown goes to Dr. Doom. Not even a contest. Doom is the G.O.A.T. (and i'm a DC over Marvel guy mostly). The Joker would be #2 in this regard
None of the films over the years have not done him justice unfortunately, and i have always maintained Doom should not be the villain in a premiere Fantastic Four film, he should be the sequel so you can devote a script fleshing out what makes him so special (and not trying the balancing act of telling the FF's origin and his in 2 hours). Hopefully they get it right this time.
I knew you were going to say "Amanda Waller" before you said it!
Norman Osborn became a cabinet member and made his own evil avengers. Waller is a b-rate of a b-rate
Only thing Amanda Waller is "not to read" factor for storylines. If i see Amanda Waller related anything, i pass right away. 1-2 Panels like in Hush storyline, that's enough air time for her.
Is it Commander Star? I guess there is gonna be a squadron supreme version of the Avengers. I know the DC version of the Avengers are actually respected.
We all know Condiment King is DC's biggest villain. The guy is a menace.
Hmmm, who’d ever thought that Nell Carter could rise to the top of the Dead Comics greatest villain list.
You mean it isn’t Marie Javins? Oh, a villain character…. Hmmmm, …. No love for Doctor Dee? Amanda Waller is a great ruthless bureaucrat, but in comparison to the Joker she isn’t remotely in the running.
It would be interesting to see Alan Moore or Warren Ellis do a series of stories for DC where the Joker is the villain for the other main DC heroes. The reason why Joker goes off to torment Superman is because the Joker gets tired of constantly loses to Bats. Imagine if Joker turned out to be the real main antagonist for the Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Question, or the Green Arrow? Just trying to avoid any of the Batman family. Thanks for bringing up the Joker’s stint at out-doing Lex Luthor (as President of the United States).
I wonder if DC will be the first of the big two to start selling off their IP to creative teams and publishers with drive and talent?
Everyone kneels before zod.
Amanda Waller is a joke it’s laughable that she’s a better villain than all the top villains. Absolute power is sooooo boring makes me long for Knight Terrors 😂😂 I still haven’t figured out exactly how the Amazo’s are stealing powers.
I though Darkseid was back? So basically, she's the Steve Jobs of the DC Universe.
Amanda Waller is a good villain, but DC forgets why Christopher Nolan made Joker scary again “…some men, just wanna watch the world BURN…”
So, using the Screen Rant article logic, given her accomplishments of disinformation to turn the public against superheroes, A-man-duh Waller is like J. Jonah Jameson, multiplied by how many members there are in the Justice League, Teen Titans, etc.?
That JJJ sure sets a high bar.
Joker is still on my top tier list than Waller
Amanda Waller: "We are from the government. And we are here to help you."
Lex Luthor cured someone's cancer and then gave it back to them. Just to prove the point.
Per ora Absolute Power è il peggior lavoro di sempre di Waid ... Veramente irriconoscibile ! Totalmente fuori ruolo !
I thought Jim Lee was DC's top Villain? He's still the evil mastermind behind the writers and editors, right? 😁🤣
True 😅😁😁😁
This article is the equivalent of that BreadTube video that tried to say Dark Souls II is good because the first Dark Souls wasn't that good and it fixed it. I haven't even played DSII to judge it as a game, but I know that trying to make something that's divisive better by tearing down something fans love is never going to work.
Personally, I hate that they took a nuanced character like Amanda Waller and turned her into a generic bad guy.
Did people forget about the “ Legends” series when Darkseid had his pawns turn against the heroes?? Amanda Waller isn’t even original
Amanda Waller could take over a Shoney’s if she was hungry enough.
Amanda Waller is better as an antiheroine or a reluctant assistant to the heroes/villains (in cases like President Lex Luthor) than she ever has been as a villain.
Sounds like she's copying darkseid sending in G Gordon Godfrey during Legends
Gee, I thought Jim Lee was DC Comics' greatest villain😅
If DC couldn’t be anymore of a Lolcow , they have reached the next level.
The Joker …. Who cares what those Screen Rant shills say
This is such a strange thing to complain about. Hyping an event villain is a very standard, ordinary practice. Randomly hyping Joker during an event in which Waller is the star would have been an incredibly odd decision. The Thinking Critical guy complaining about this is just weird.
Waller, been reading since her debut, back on Legends, in the 80's. She was a good character. She was good in the old DC animation. But top of the food chain? No. There are villains that outclass her, by far.
Joker
Lex Luthor
Circe
Bane
Ra's al Ghul
Zoom
Black Adam
Darkseid
Mr. Freeze
Just to name a few. But there are many characters that are bigger threats, and more engaging to read, than Waller. I'm sure citizens and heroes of the DCU would be more fearful of Joker gunning for them, than Waller, even with all her government contacts. Joker and Luthor are main event, while Waller is upoer mid card, at best.
Joker the Emporer
Last laugh
Waller couldn't take over a Wawa in Walla Walla Washington
Did the world not turn against superheroes when Wonder Woman killed Maxvell Lord
Why don't they just come out with a character named Agenda as the most attractive, skilled, intelligent, and powerful being, both hero and villain. It's all over boils down to the last five years or so.
Waller is a govt employee
I think it's Paul
But Wes Weston you don't understand-o, Amanda Waller has one ace up her sleeves that makes her the most villianous villian to ever villian. She can...say the N-word!!!
I like Amanda Waller, but she is nowhere near the level Joker is. Not many are. And pushing her and trying to make her this global-threat villain is nonsensical. She's not even a villain for me. She is a shadowy government agent. She works best in that capacity.
By the way, weren't heroes' credibility at stake in the 80s' with the Legends crossover (Waller's first appearance)?
Condiment king!
The Joker is the least interesting villain in my book. So tired and overused, I walk right past any cover with him on it. If you can't create an interesting story around a different character you shouldn't be writing Batman comics.