There is still a relay computer in running condition in Japan, an amazing machine. Those were the origin of the word 'bug' to describe a glitch in a computer program; literally, a moth landed on a relay, and its immolated remains were stopping the contacts from closing. The lady programmer/operator (whose name escapes me) noted in the log-book that the computer had to restarted due to a bug in the system.
Yeah? Where does hair-brained come from? i remember my mom saying that a lot! Over 60 years ago I had a step father who was an electrician, who for some reasonbrought home some of the weirdest servomechanical stuff, which he would hand me to play with. He did that a lot. (I didn't ask questions.) At that time, transitors were hitting the market, and electron tubes in most consumer goods were dying out! He did not what to learn about anything about electronics, but with his help on an electrician's knowledge and a fewham radio magazines, after a year of knowing him, I taught myself the basics of electronic theory and basice design. I fell in love with a name brand, 24-hour, synchrounous clock timer. Really. It would cost around $50 now. And, I still get almost teary-eyed when I remember a little adjustable buzzer he gave me the size of a shiny Zippo lighter, (you smokers). Make/break/make/break--It was just like one of Roberts electromechanical regulators. [I think I lost it... I can't remember... What happened to it?? Sorry--my problem, not yours.]
😮 That's incredible! I love knowing the history of terminologies... Thank you! Have you ever heard somebody say, "a gremlin" instead of "a bug"? I've always wondered where that term originated. There was an episode about an actual gremlin on a TV show like Goosebumps or some copycat show when I was younger but I don't think that was the origin of it. The Gremlin was like a virus or bug that had some sentient malevolence that made it's presence known in a watermark if you zoomed in on photos.
@@user-im9bt1wy8j I always thought (I think I read it before hearing anyone use it) that it was hare-brained rather than hair-brained. I think it refers to the rabbit relative that is known to suddenly jump in the air and start running in a seemingly random direction, hence it's used to describe someone who is a bit 'scatty' or unable to stick to any one thing for very long, or whose conversation jumps around from subject to subject.
Just had a moment... When I was a teenager I took apart a voltage regulator from and old truck apart. I saw all the springs and contacts and I wondered how does that work. TODAY some 50 years later I now know. Dude I really like your channel...🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Way back in 1973 I had a 1963 Triumph TR 4 with a Lucas Prince of Darkness electric system with the mechanical voltage regulator and a Generator... I had so many problems with it I pulled it all and installed a MoPar alternator with diodes like those used in a police cruiser... Also changed from a Positive Earth to a Negative Ground, all electrical problems were resolved
An alternator regulator controls the current to the rotating field coil. Nothing gets chucked away. Once it gets up to voltage the field current is reduced to maintain the output voltage, nothing is dumped.
I'm sorry for my awful memory, but I am certain that Robert has done a video about something that means nothing gets Dumped!! I'm so sorry I can't remember what number the video is¡!❤
The light knowing the switch is turned off. Never thought of it that way. I always thought of the light responding to the switch, i actually got yelled at as a very young kid. For flipping the switch on and off looking at the light. Thinking about it as well as the speed of the light going on. Wasn't even in school yet or just started.
Robert, I'm saving this video as part of the training material for my apprentices. I love the compilation of many presentations being devoted to controllers. It's amazing that PLC controls and basic programming is relevant though Arduino was the only reference presented here. I specialize in large 880 Volt multi-phase motors for wastewater treatment plants. Most of the switching was performed until about 3 years ago with mercury switches to reliably handle the loads until we retrofitted to solid state switching. Technology finally proved that we no longer needed mercury around wastewater treatment facilities. Thanks again for sharing so much valuable content.
@@johnpearcey You are correct. In some facilities the mercury switches had been in place for over 50 years. The switches that replaced them have a designed replacement cycle of 5 years. However, it's an EPA hazard to have mercury around water treatment for obvious reasons.
it never ceases too amaze me Robert. somehow we must be connected I just purchased a charge controller and then this video popped up. I can just be thinking about a subject or have a idea for a project and yep there you are explaining it like this has been going on for like over a year now the timing is impeccable where does it come from ??? obvisly it comes in as energy 😉 have a Great day 👍
In the United States we called the third relay a "Reverse Current Relay" used in cars to prevent draining the Battery when the Engine is shut off. I remember working on my College Room Mates Volks Wagon when the points stuck on the Voltage Relay while we at the Beach. back in the late 1970's. A very good description of how the Old Mechanical Voltage Regulators worked. As a Retired Mechanic I haven't seen one in over 50 years.
This was a really great video. I couldn’t help but chuckle at the 9 min when you said the video is getting long haha. I watched the whole 30min. You sir may waffle on as long as you please. Thanks for the awesome information!!
Prof Smith are you going to spin a car alternator that is not internally regulated faster than the norm Then control the field current with pwm This can be a very cheap way of making not only a battery bank charger it also can automatically turn on for high demands!!! The voltage sag would tell it when to turn on This in my opinion is the missing link in off grid solar One of these would greatly reduce the size of battery bank needed along with every thing else needed It would give both high demand and the charging needed when long periods of low solar input I could go into all the awesome benefits and short and long term savings but no need with you I will add that a reg car alternator is designed to handle a lot higher rpms than what you might think Prof Smith I have one of the worlds best EE that agreed to design and program every thing needed All he required from me is the testing to determine input and output amps volts output limits He will design program prototype then I would test try to brake it He gave me the honor of testing other solar equipment that has been out on the market for 5 or so year now! For some one like you or me it is LOADS of fun testing the limits trying to brake stuff!! Life has not allowed me the time to do this I keep thinking I will get the time but likely I will not I am diff Smith I carn not about the money I would like to see people have this product Most poor people can get or have laying around a motor and a car alternator The programed to make it all automatic brain box regulator can be produced very cheaply There for the price after large profit margins will still be low and affordable to the poor I even had maybe sill have a producer in china to make it but I still think just the populated pcb needs to come from outside the US Maybe no out side US needed I would help freely what I can on this!
Just wanted to say a lot of people all over the globe are saying GREAT things about you brother and admiring what you do and share for FREE to open minds and help expand and forward the human race ok just thought I'd tap in and give my 2ç, ANYWAY good job keep up the brilliant work 👍🏻
❤ Totally Agree 💯!! I've been seeing many people who are being Inspired by Robert and his videos and the freely shared information,, knowledge and also Thingyverse where he's sharing his Ideas freely as well!!❤
I was first fascinated by a voltage regulator at the generator house in a dye mill owned by Bradford Dyers Association near Brighouse, west Yorkshire. The turbine was a Mather & Platt running at 6000 RPM. do not remember HP or kW but probably between 400 & 600 HP. The regulator was a larger version of the first one shown here.
I totally need to build several of these. I need to build gas and hopefully diesel powered battery chargers. I need to persuade the alternator to output 28.8v and never exceed 29v. I need the option to ramp that up to 58-59v. Or so in the future to charge a 48v system. I have 5 HD Delco alternators 21si, and a single 22si, all in the 130-150amp range, they are all more than capable of doing in excess of 60v. It may not do it at idle. But at 2800-3600 rpm engine speed. It shouldbe very capable. The alternator running at a 2:1- 4:1 overdrive ratio. Possibly higher no more than 6:1- 8:1 o.d. i have a large pulley from a air compressor i may use as a drive pulley for a diesel engine. I'm looking for a 10hp diesel engine i can burn waste oil in . Possibly bio diesel. Its not always sunny. But you always need to charge the batteries, i also have two 5hp gas engines, and 12hp engines, im thinking about 60-100amp on the 5hp convert to propane. Since i have a gas water heater, and getting a gas stove and 2, 100 lb tanks. So if i have no fuel, i can still charge batteries, i also want to build a steam powered generator, at least a 60amp with the few 10/12si alternators i have. I am building a outdoor wood stove boiler. And would like to make some steam ill be pumping hot water into the house. And possibly the shed. To radiators to help heat the place. Im hoping i can heat about 50 gallons to near boiling, then run the water through about 20' of pipe to further heat to about 350°-400° then to a steam head and to the engine or turbine im thinking about a Tesla turbine and attempt to seal the system condensing the steam to possibly below ambient pressure would be awesome. Im thinking about 20gauge stainless sheet with 20gauge spacers on a 1" shaft, with about 12" rotors, not exactly sure how to size the turbine, its not like dyno info is readily available! Sorry to ramble.. good day..
This just makes me want to build an analog computer. See if it thinks it has a Spirit. And whether or not we are just afloat in The Waves, and if so, from how far off.
There is sensing with the light switch as it takes a set amount of pressure to.turn the switch on or off and it has to get to that point before actuation.
Equation can be hard to solve now we have AI, so we might solve Lenz law from the hole spectra all right calculation and we do not need shorts solutions! What outcome of this new approach gone give us! I really do not know... But we have a intressting future!! /Mikael
The switching was very quick, can this be slowed down? What was blue rectangular item behind coil? Does back emf have to go to capacitor for switching to work?
I was wondering if instead of a generator one could use a speaker to collect sound and send the current to a voltage regulator such as the three switch model to increase the voltage to the point where the current could be supplied to the slayer circuit of the Tesla coil (1000 turns model) to illuminate the CFL bulb. Logically there would be no need to use a battery as a power source. This may seem a simple idea, but I like to do things simply because I can.
I watched this straight after watching the sand heater video. I wonder if 14v could be sent to the battery and any additional volts could be directed toward the sand heater.
It sure can, instead of sending the over voltage to a resistor to dump it as waste heat, send it to the heat element (a resistor of sorts too) in the sand battery.
I suppose with a more heavy duty diy version of this it could be possible to use this in place of a regular Charge controller, but its a case of whether you want something made for free that could be made in a group with other people that's open source or you could buy something already made that's standardised, possibly close sourced and costs money. But wheres the fun in that eh?
There is still a relay computer in running condition in Japan, an amazing machine. Those were the origin of the word 'bug' to describe a glitch in a computer program; literally, a moth landed on a relay, and its immolated remains were stopping the contacts from closing. The lady programmer/operator (whose name escapes me) noted in the log-book that the computer had to restarted due to a bug in the system.
Yeah? Where does hair-brained come from? i remember my mom saying that a lot! Over 60 years ago I had a step father who was an electrician, who for some reasonbrought home some of the weirdest servomechanical stuff, which he would hand me to play with. He did that a lot. (I didn't ask questions.)
At that time, transitors were hitting the market, and electron tubes in most consumer goods were dying out! He did not what to learn about anything about electronics, but with his help on an electrician's knowledge and a fewham radio magazines, after a year of knowing him, I taught myself the basics of electronic theory and basice design.
I fell in love with a name brand, 24-hour, synchrounous clock timer. Really. It would cost around $50 now. And, I still get almost teary-eyed when I remember a little adjustable buzzer he gave me the size of a shiny Zippo lighter, (you smokers). Make/break/make/break--It was just like one of Roberts electromechanical regulators. [I think I lost it... I can't remember... What happened to it?? Sorry--my problem, not yours.]
😮 That's incredible! I love knowing the history of terminologies... Thank you!
Have you ever heard somebody say, "a gremlin" instead of "a bug"? I've always wondered where that term originated. There was an episode about an actual gremlin on a TV show like Goosebumps or some copycat show when I was younger but I don't think that was the origin of it. The Gremlin was like a virus or bug that had some sentient malevolence that made it's presence known in a watermark if you zoomed in on photos.
@user-im9bt1wy8j idk it sounds like an insult, but it's not in the Webster dictionary's "see also" list for the word "idiot" .
@@user-im9bt1wy8j I always thought (I think I read it before hearing anyone use it) that it was hare-brained rather than hair-brained. I think it refers to the rabbit relative that is known to suddenly jump in the air and start running in a seemingly random direction, hence it's used to describe someone who is a bit 'scatty' or unable to stick to any one thing for very long, or whose conversation jumps around from subject to subject.
After a career in IT starting in the days before the term was coined, I can confirm the bug term origin. Of course the sceptics just deny. But...
Just had a moment... When I was a teenager I took apart a voltage regulator from and old truck apart. I saw all the springs and contacts and I wondered how does that work. TODAY some 50 years later I now know. Dude I really like your channel...🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Way back in 1973 I had a 1963 Triumph TR 4 with a Lucas Prince of Darkness electric system with the mechanical voltage regulator and a Generator... I had so many problems with it I pulled it all and installed a MoPar alternator with diodes like those used in a police cruiser... Also changed from a Positive Earth to a Negative Ground, all electrical problems were resolved
I had a voltage regulator like this on one of my motorbikes in the 70s. Never did work out how it worked. Thanks for the lesson.
An alternator regulator controls the current to the rotating field coil. Nothing gets chucked away. Once it gets up to voltage the field current is reduced to maintain the output voltage, nothing is dumped.
I'm sorry for my awful memory, but I am certain that Robert has done a video about something that means nothing gets Dumped!!
I'm so sorry I can't remember what number the video is¡!❤
*VERY* well presented, Sir! Thank you!
Mr. Smith knows what we're going to need to know. You rock sir!
The light knowing the switch is turned off. Never thought of it that way. I always thought of the light responding to the switch, i actually got yelled at as a very young kid. For flipping the switch on and off looking at the light. Thinking about it as well as the speed of the light going on. Wasn't even in school yet or just started.
+1 for the first I have heard the word fatuous in any video. Don't know how you produce so much great content, but very thankful that you do.
Robert, I'm saving this video as part of the training material for my apprentices. I love the compilation of many presentations being devoted to controllers. It's amazing that PLC controls and basic programming is relevant though Arduino was the only reference presented here. I specialize in large 880 Volt multi-phase motors for wastewater treatment plants. Most of the switching was performed until about 3 years ago with mercury switches to reliably handle the loads until we retrofitted to solid state switching. Technology finally proved that we no longer needed mercury around wastewater treatment facilities. Thanks again for sharing so much valuable content.
I'd wager that those mercury switches will last longer than the solid state.
@@johnpearcey You are correct. In some facilities the mercury switches had been in place for over 50 years. The switches that replaced them have a designed replacement cycle of 5 years. However, it's an EPA hazard to have mercury around water treatment for obvious reasons.
it never ceases too amaze me Robert. somehow we must be connected I just purchased a charge controller and then this video popped up. I can just be thinking about a subject or have a idea for a project and yep there you are explaining it like this has been going on for like over a year now the timing is impeccable where does it come from ??? obvisly it comes in as energy 😉 have a Great day 👍
The energy of your internet connection
In the United States we called the third relay a "Reverse Current Relay" used in cars to prevent draining the Battery when the Engine is shut off. I remember working on my College Room Mates Volks Wagon when the points stuck on the Voltage Relay while we at the Beach. back in the late 1970's. A very good description of how the Old Mechanical Voltage Regulators worked. As a Retired Mechanic I haven't seen one in over 50 years.
This was a really great video. I couldn’t help but chuckle at the 9 min when you said the video is getting long haha. I watched the whole 30min. You sir may waffle on as long as you please. Thanks for the awesome information!!
Prof Smith are you going to spin a car alternator that is not internally regulated faster than the norm Then control the field current with pwm This can be a very cheap way of making not only a battery bank charger it also can automatically turn on for high demands!!! The voltage sag would tell it when to turn on This in my opinion is the missing link in off grid solar One of these would greatly reduce the size of battery bank needed along with every thing else needed It would give both high demand and the charging needed when long periods of low solar input I could go into all the awesome benefits and short and long term savings but no need with you I will add that a reg car alternator is designed to handle a lot higher rpms than what you might think Prof Smith I have one of the worlds best EE that agreed to design and program every thing needed All he required from me is the testing to determine input and output amps volts output limits He will design program prototype then I would test try to brake it He gave me the honor of testing other solar equipment that has been out on the market for 5 or so year now! For some one like you or me it is LOADS of fun testing the limits trying to brake stuff!! Life has not allowed me the time to do this I keep thinking I will get the time but likely I will not I am diff Smith I carn not about the money I would like to see people have this product Most poor people can get or have laying around a motor and a car alternator The programed to make it all automatic brain box regulator can be produced very cheaply There for the price after large profit margins will still be low and affordable to the poor I even had maybe sill have a producer in china to make it but I still think just the populated pcb needs to come from outside the US Maybe no out side US needed I would help freely what I can on this!
Interesting
Just wanted to say a lot of people all over the globe are saying GREAT things about you brother and admiring what you do and share for FREE to open minds and help expand and forward the human race ok just thought I'd tap in and give my 2ç, ANYWAY good job keep up the brilliant work 👍🏻
❤ Totally Agree 💯!!
I've been seeing many people who are being Inspired by Robert and his videos and the freely shared information,, knowledge and also Thingyverse where he's sharing his Ideas freely as well!!❤
I was first fascinated by a voltage regulator at the generator house in a dye mill owned by Bradford Dyers Association near Brighouse, west Yorkshire. The turbine was a Mather & Platt running at 6000 RPM. do not remember HP or kW but probably between 400 & 600 HP. The regulator was a larger version of the first one shown here.
I totally need to build several of these. I need to build gas and hopefully diesel powered battery chargers. I need to persuade the alternator to output 28.8v and never exceed 29v. I need the option to ramp that up to 58-59v. Or so in the future to charge a 48v system. I have 5 HD Delco alternators 21si, and a single 22si, all in the 130-150amp range, they are all more than capable of doing in excess of 60v. It may not do it at idle. But at 2800-3600 rpm engine speed. It shouldbe very capable. The alternator running at a 2:1- 4:1 overdrive ratio. Possibly higher no more than 6:1- 8:1 o.d. i have a large pulley from a air compressor i may use as a drive pulley for a diesel engine. I'm looking for a 10hp diesel engine i can burn waste oil in . Possibly bio diesel. Its not always sunny. But you always need to charge the batteries, i also have two 5hp gas engines, and 12hp engines, im thinking about 60-100amp on the 5hp convert to propane. Since i have a gas water heater, and getting a gas stove and 2, 100 lb tanks. So if i have no fuel, i can still charge batteries, i also want to build a steam powered generator, at least a 60amp with the few 10/12si alternators i have. I am building a outdoor wood stove boiler. And would like to make some steam ill be pumping hot water into the house. And possibly the shed. To radiators to help heat the place. Im hoping i can heat about 50 gallons to near boiling, then run the water through about 20' of pipe to further heat to about 350°-400° then to a steam head and to the engine or turbine im thinking about a Tesla turbine and attempt to seal the system condensing the steam to possibly below ambient pressure would be awesome. Im thinking about 20gauge stainless sheet with 20gauge spacers on a 1" shaft, with about 12" rotors, not exactly sure how to size the turbine, its not like dyno info is readily available! Sorry to ramble.. good day..
I'm saving this for the guys at the shop! Fantastic presentation on voltage charge controllers. Thank you, Robert
Well played, Sirrah! When you flicked that switch at 11:10, an advertisement came on! LOL
yes, the same happened to me🤣🤣🤣
Your mechanical charge controller is just like the old mechanical voltage regulator used in cars before the 1970's.
i took apart a timing light as a kid and it had 1 of these on the input, it had universal 12/24 volt input!
Regarding the light switch, you could say the switch 'sensed' pressure on one end, or the other, of the toggle switch.
Even when there is only one way of doing things there's a thousand points of view to look at it and or explain it
Found in every 1930s 1940s and some 50s german motorbikes , Noris, Bosch generators etc. BMWs, Zundapp, NSU, DKW etc
If you look at a 1950 voltage regulator for cars you will find that they were mechanical.
The Titan missile silos were controlled by relay logic.
This just makes me want to build an analog computer. See if it thinks it has a Spirit. And whether or not we are just afloat in The Waves, and if so, from how far off.
Grace Hopper is the lady programmer.
Yes, we have removed the bug in the system.
There is sensing with the light switch as it takes a set amount of pressure to.turn the switch on or off and it has to get to that point before actuation.
Equation can be hard to solve now we have AI, so we might solve Lenz law from the hole spectra all right calculation and we do not need shorts solutions! What outcome of this new approach gone give us! I really do not know... But we have a intressting future!! /Mikael
The switching was very quick, can this be slowed down? What was blue rectangular item behind coil? Does back emf have to go to capacitor for switching to work?
I was wondering if instead of a generator one could use a speaker to collect sound and send the current to a voltage regulator such as the three switch model to increase the voltage to the point where the current could be supplied to the slayer circuit of the Tesla coil (1000 turns model) to illuminate the CFL bulb. Logically there would be no need to use a battery as a power source. This may seem a simple idea, but I like to do things simply because I can.
The sensor doesn't 'know' , it is you that knows that the correct voltage is applied because the sensor is triggered.
The key thing with dumping certainly with PVs is to give that wasted electricity a job. My choice is heating water.
I watched this straight after watching the sand heater video. I wonder if 14v could be sent to the battery and any additional volts could be directed toward the sand heater.
It sure can, instead of sending the over voltage to a resistor to dump it as waste heat, send it to the heat element (a resistor of sorts too) in the sand battery.
Jessica Rabbit;/" I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way!"
Mppt is more less 'needed'. If the charging voltage is much higher or lower than the battery voltage. My 24v battery is charged by a 44v pv array
I suppose with a more heavy duty diy version of this it could be possible to use this in place of a regular Charge controller, but its a case of whether you want something made for free that could be made in a group with other people that's open source or you could buy something already made that's standardised, possibly close sourced and costs money. But wheres the fun in that eh?
But which ever one you want to choose is up to you
What about a video of diversion controller or dumpload controller that Would be Nice.
Best regard Dennis (denmark)
Looks like something we can put the small movements to work as it is functioning
Can you explain how an inverter works? Specifically how you can use 12v DC to make 110v AC?
Any good suggestions for a current regulator?
Nevermind, I just got to the 3 coil setup that includes a current regulator.
You can charge any battery with a diode and a light bulb
10:00 Who was being murdered in the background?
Where can meet u?/Houten NL!
Would you illustrate how to get it to oscillate at 60hz. Thank you.
Less or more gap will change the speed
Not sure how you can concentrate with that guy shouting in the background!