Personally, had the creator not made Slenderman, I feel like she would've just latched onto another character or figure. Even without that attachment, I wouldn't be surprised if she had done something just as dangerous in a different situation.
Renea M Exactly. Something people either don’t seem to grasp - or willfully ignore - is that little nitwits like this will latch onto whatever to explain, excuse, or give internal context to their actions. It’s not the books, games, art, creepypastas, movies, whatever; it’s a mental illness and an utter lack of responsibility.
100% agree with you, they would have used anything to end up in a situation like this. Hell, they even mention Snape.They could have had Naggini telling them to murder their friend to become a death ether.
I agree. She’s a sociopath- something serious would have happened eventually. No empathy. Only thinking of herself. Isolation. She’s smart and cunning, too. I’m glad she’ll be in a mental health facility for a long time.
That man is a selfless hero. When asked "is there an assailant around?" His answer....."I didn't even look"....his concern was that little girl and he didn't even stop to think of his own safety.
"Never thought when I had kids I'd have to have the discussion with my son that you can't facetime JESUS!!!"🤣😂🤣😂.. I just Choked on my oatmeal, that was hilarious, but true!
That Greg is a great guy. The way he talked to the operator and explained the situation, and the way he helped her through it. Wow. Give that guy a medal, am I right?
I don't know how he was able to stay so calm. I've been more shaken having to phone 911 by far far far less than finding a young girl covered in blood on the side of the road.
it reminds me of the two cyclists that tackled brock turner and held him down until authorities arrived. jane doe stated that she added a picture of a bicycle on her bedroom wall to always remember her heroes :')
I have a coworker who’s daughter was in a horrific atv accident. She and the driver were both injured, but she had extreme bleeding in her arm and leg. A man happened to drive by and got out, called 911, and held his body weight down on her leg to stop the blood flow. He saved her from having to lose her leg. She did lose her arm but he saved her leg and her life. She was weeks from high school graduation. She and the man are still in contact and he was one of her supporters at her graduation. She is now a wonderful mom because of that man being a good person!
I can’t agree with putting the blame on the author of slenderman, that’s like blaming any author or writer for killing in the name of their work. It should fall on the parents for not providing guidance to their child.
@@jessicawilson4655 i mean, i dk how factual/unbiased this info is...but another commenter mentioned how her father has high-functioning schizophrenia. yet her parents didn’t get her medical treatment despite schizophrenia being highly genetically inheritable AND despite her telling them about the hallucinations she was plagued with when she was younger…so there does seem to be an element of her having tried to reach out for much needed help (while she was still lucid and not experiencing any psychosis) only to be brushed away by her parents… in the case of the other girl, i see it as classic “folie a deux”. This is a phenomenon where the extreme delusions of one person (like those of psychosis) can become “contagious" to another individual if experienced in a certain context. and this context is exactly the one the 2 girls were in (it usually occurs between 2 people almost co-dependent/obsessive about their relationship with each other, so much so that they isolate themselves from the outside world). when only one person can serve as another person's “reality check” and they start to lose their grasp on reality for whatever reason, the other person will quickly follow. our stable concept of reality is far more tenuous and based on other people than we like to believe (*a similar example is how solitary confinement causes people to lose their minds and all sense of reality-"folie a deux" is basically like self-inflicted solitary confinement, involving 2 people instead of only 1).
I agree. That would be like blaming Stephanie harlowe for putting this out there and somebody copycatting it. Does not make any sense to blame somebody who wrote a story
That and the fact the child was literally messed up enough to do it.. Not all kids are going to kill people just because they saw something when unsupervised by parents
I was thinking that too. He was calm and kind, not condescending or irritable at all. I was heated listening to the Brittany Murphy 911 call the other day.
That dispatcher was one of the most professional and meticulous dispatchers I’ve ever heard. He did an awesome job at asking certain questions and giving the right advice/directions in handling the situation until the authorities arrived.
Agree 100% For some reason it’s always important to me to listen to how the emergency operator handles things and this one stood out in a good way. Difficult job to have.
Peyton is incredible! She used what she thought could be her last breaths to tell her attackers “I trusted you. I hate you.” And THEN dragged herself, with 19 stab wounds, for help! What a badass! She’s amazing and I commend her for everything she’s already overcome and IS overcoming 👏🏻👏🏻
It is not about "convincing children". It is a form of roleplay community for horror lovers that are ADULTS. It is always explicitly stated, that those sites are for adults. the /nosleep site is a roleplay site. You also wouldn't blame Stephen King for a crime if someone decided to kill someone based on one of his books.
A couple things: as a person who played Sims basically my entire childhood and got any and ALL of my friends into it, killing sims is not an abnormal thing and no one would really be all that alarmed if someone did that enough to tell someone that they think said person is a psychopath. The game has a comedic and quite cartoon-ish way of death so it's not disturbing in any way. Something as simple as a lamp blocking a sims way can lead to their death. I mean heck, you can chat with the grim reaper and become his BFF. The games are all rated PG-13 are in no way gruesome. Secondly, I don't really like the implication that those who write things like the slenderman should feel they have any involvement. Nor should any ounce of blame fall on those who write horror stories like it. Of course no one would expect what these girls did! People have been reading and writing fiction and getting into the stories as if they were real for a looooong time. I do, however, place a heavy amount of blame on the parents of these girls.
I completely agree with your statement. Often in the sims community, people will joke about how they woudl let their sims burn or drown when they were young. I personally didn't, or maybe tried it once but thought it was too gruesome and dint make a practise out of it - but it's a fairly common phenomenon in the community.
Amaryllis Renzella yup, totally agree with everything you stated here. Especially your second point. And your third point, absolutely the parents have at LEAST partial blame for this whole mess, and that’s being generous tbh. I never felt like either Morgan or Anissa’s parents were sound individuals in the interviews I’ve seen. Morgan’s parents even had the gall to say to Peyton’s parents (it was a question on what they’d say to them if they were watching), “yeah we know our kid almost murdered your kid and physically and emotionally scarred her for life and all, but WE’RE sUFFEriNG tOo!” 🤮🤮🤮 (paraphrasing there of course, it was the gist tho and I was floored. I have no doubt they are suffering and miss their sociopathic kid, but the amount of disrespect that takes to publicly state that to the family of the victim is astounding to me)
also- sims come back as ghosts (unless you send them to the underworld?? Its been a minute since I played that games I apologize if I'm incorrect). you're not really permanently getting rid of them. They visit
Samantha UwU - for some reason I just can’t mismatch my socks, I would freak out a bit. I’m a perfectionist with autism so it just makes me cringe a bit because of different lengths of socks. Although I wouldn’t get uncomfortable with other people doing it.
This happened in my neighborhood. I don’t know any of the people involved personally, but last year I saw Peyton at Starbucks with her mom. She looked well to me and was laughing and joking with her mom. Obviously underneath that she will be forever scarred but it was nice to see her smile! I can’t believe this happened so close to me.
I took walks every weekend and was literally on the corner of Sunset and East Ave right at the time the whole thing was happening...it's just so freaky this sort of thing happened in our town. I feel for Peyton - how can she EVER have any trust again after that? And Anissa and Morgan.....those two need to stay committed in mental health wards for life.
When the 911 operator says “protect her” it brought a tear to my eye. As a mother, I would absolutely do my best to protect that child from anyone and anything near that road. This case just gives me chills.
I’m really impressed by the guy who found the girl, he was so cool, calm and collected! Thank God he found her. And thank God she survived this hideous attack...
They created an 8 foot character with no face and tentacles with blades and they’re to blame because someone believed it was real????? Then anyone who creates a horror character can be blamed: Freddy Kreuger, Michael Myers, Jason.....there’s a chance they’re real, right?
Exactly! Columbine didn't happen because of Marilyn Manson, those parents had plenty of signs of trouble an they ignored those signs then turned around blaming Manson. Parents jobs are to control what their child views & plays! I never understood how ppl will blame someone else before themselves when it comes to their own kids v
Exactly. The internet for home had just started when my children were 12 and 10. I had parental controls set. My daughter, little smarty, learned how to bypass it, and I caught her online once at midnight. I took the power cord.
I dont know man, last time I read a Stephen King book I turned all the cell towers into devices that turned people into mindless zombies. Next thing you know, Trump was elected...
Raine Cloud That’s what I was thinking. Every kid with sims has made them die on purpose at some point. Probably more than once. Either for strategy or curiosity or boredom honestly. Doesn’t mean we all want to kill people irl!!
My younger brother would often create large families in The Sims 1 so he could kill a few off to sell their urns for money. Lol. I finally told him money cheats so he didn't have to do it anymore. He was probably 10 years old at the time. I don't think killing Sims characters off as a child or even as an adult is indicative of anything, nor worthy of running to get a person mental help over. There were obviously plenty of other warning signs, but this one was far reaching. I think anyone who's ever played the Sims would be locked up if it were some sign of a serious issue. Hahaha.
I was with you until you talked about the creator of the story. It’s not their responsibility how people react to their characters. Creepypastas are meant to be for adults. Parents are supposed to watch their kids not the internet. You can’t expect people on the internet to censor themselves on the off chance a child will find it. The internet as a whole is not for kids. RUclips is not for kids.
especially because Something Awful's forum has a PAYWALL. It costs $10 to register and even more if you want archives access, etc. So if you didn't have a credit card, you were blocked out. A lot of popular/impressive threads did get featured on the mainpage, but let's be honest, even SA members have forgotten there's a website back in the early 2000s. There's no way the OP could have known what would happen. Kids really should not be on the internet period, but that genie's already out of the bottle sadly.
Lol no creepy pastas are for kids, Not one single adult I met enjoys them unironically. ARGs are what adults get into cause its """deep""" and """artsy""". Every creepypasta website, forum, art page is full of 5-10 year olds.
Agreed. There were a lot of creepy bloody stories before the internet and I'm sure some psychos got inspired by them in the same way. The internet just made it easier to find.
@@squashedshibber2684 I think the adult one is r/nosleep lol. I can safely say I only ever avoid r/nosleep because once I'm on it I get stuck in a rabbit hole for hours or days reading lol. there's been some truly great stories there.
@@100gds2 By that logic, J.D Salinger is responsible for the death of John Lennon, because a guy who read Catcher in the Rye thought it was telling him to kill John Lennon, and so he did.
technically, slenderman started out as the digital art of one person. A single individual's creative idea. Perhaps you don't like horror or creature lore or whatever it is genre you want to include the pictures and caption in but it is very much art. As with all art you are allowed to subjectively decide if _you_ specifically think it is foolish or not. But your phrasing comes across as much more broad than you may have intended to, and as foolish itself because it sounds like you're referring to art as foolishness. Or art that is in the horror genre is foolish? Art that requires suspension of disbelief which is a LARGE portion of it? I side with the commenter who says that by your logic JD Salinger can be blamed for John Lennon's death. Art speaks to different people different ways. The creators are only responsible for putting it out into the world, not the good or bad things some kind and loving or deranged and evil individual chooses to use it as inspiration for.
@@100gds2so not true, this type of stuff is not meant for kids, i heard about slender,an and this case when i was like 8 which is super bad in its self but i never turned out like this, neither did anyone i knew who also was interested in this stuff, the kids and the parents are to blame, not the creator of slenderman.
This is a parenting fail. When I was a kid I watched all kinds of horror movies, however, my parents you know...were parenting and had taught us how all this stuff was not real, showed us behind the scenes stuff, told us about the makeup etc. Like she said she EXPLAINS this to her children. Talk to your kids, in fact turn off the tablet, phone, computer....and go outside to play with them.
Morgan's been diagnosed with schizophrenia, so her ability to distinguish what was real or pretend was blurred. Not an excuse to murder, but adds some explanation.
The parents said that they take responsibility and the dad feels extreme regret that he didn't notice her early signs of schizophrenia when he himself has the illness. Obviously it's easy to judge from afar but I think the extra layer of mental illness is what really turn this from a parenting fail into a serious situation.
That happened to me too! It freakin scared the heck out of me! But it was air freshner... but my gosh it was disconcerting cause it sounded like a whisper.
Savanna Nash I 1000% agree. My older son is just starting to watch RUclips videos, but he’s only allowed to do so on our smart TV in the living room or we do it together on my phone so I can see exactly what he’s watching at all times.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Freedom comes with responsibility. Humans have abiding social responsibility to humankind. It's akin to survival.
Katta Lady I think the real responsibility lies with the adults in society making sure to remind kids that reality doesn’t necessarily exist on phone or computer screen. You should be able to create any character you want without assuming people are stupid enough to believe everything.
Katta Lady so are we supposed to only allow wholesome, family-friendly works of art (paintings, music, movies, books...) because someone somewhere might do something bad because of them? That’s pure insanity and would be incredibly boring. Where do you draw the line?
@@MoonMoonTM yea but no one ever goes out and kills people because of something that may or may not be true and everyone is telling them it's not true, which I'm sure many 12 year olds told this girl slenderman wasn't real, but she still lost touch with reality. Ghosts and skinwalkers are actually more common, long held beliefs but as far as I know no one ever kills someone about it. Slenderman is a very modern legend on par with Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark or something like that we all read when we were little and no one went and sacrificed their friend to the pale woman. Lol. And if they do yea, I do believe they are mental. So to clarify, just for you, no one ever believes it-to the extent of murder*
Listen I in NO way am okay with what Morgan did, but her dad saying “oh well she never seemed depressed” made me so upset. That’s the same thing my dad said when I attempted suicide. Just because parents don’t see it doesn’t mean the mental illness isn’t there. On that note I hope Peyton recovers well and that her trauma doesn’t affect her adult life too bad. I hope she has the wonderful life she deserves
I agree, and he was wrapped up with his own stuff. Which doesn’t make him a bad parent, we all get distracted once in a while. But most of the time your child won’t come right out and tell you they’re depressed
Sometimes people with depression don't even know they're depressed. I was 25 when I found out I had depression after trying to commit suicide. I also found out after more evaluation that I'd likely had depression since my early childhood. My parents were much to blame for my mental illnesses so obviously in cases where the parents pretty much contribute to mental illness in their children they aren't going to recognize anything is wrong with their child. It's very sad, but that's how it is in most cases.
@@basicleighdisney5643 I'm glad you're still here! I know what you mean though - depression and anxiety run in our family and looking back at pictures from childhood, I was almost always biting my nails and rarely smiled. There were signs there early on in life. When I was put on anti depressants at 19, I was told I needed to just "get over" certain life events that I'm sure contributed but were not the sole reason by any means. It's crazy that even all these years later, mental health has such a "get over it" or "it's not real" stigma. It exists and can be a nightmare to live with.
You can’t blame the artist. At all. You’ve tried to do this multiple times. It is not the internet’s fault for having a forum that PRETENDS for things to be real. The internet isn’t just for kids. The parents should have been more involved in their child’s life. Asking the artist “What were you expecting to happen?” is complete bullshit. The artist made a picture for a contest and it took a life of its own. He has no responsibility for what others do with his work. I don’t mean to sound rude, but I hate when people do this.
stfu_imshelli I agree. It really feels like the parents of Morgan and Annisa should’ve done a lot more. They were planning this out over email. If they had monitored any sort of internet usage, this wouldn’t have happened. Strangers on the internet are not going to parent kids, and it’s ridiculous to expect them to.
Z¡a Qu33n well that’s one persons opinion. It’s kind of like saying “Fuck educating kids on having sex. Just tell them not to have sex.” approach and spoiler - that usually never helps. How about better educating kids and teens how the internet works and safety for when using the internet. Completely taking it away is one - over doing it and two - unachievable. Now if you want to restrict your kids from using it because youd rather do that than educate them on how to safely use the internet then by all means be that parent. Don’t make all of us do that to our kids. Thanks.
Exactly. Just like the so called MoMo. It was created by an artist for a specific purpose and then the image was used for other purposes. I saw so many concerned comments from parents at my child’s school, yet none of them supervised what their child watched 🙄
@@tombraider13 dude, right? Parents seems to only care AFTER something happens. It's so easy to monitor yours kids use of the internet now, it's not even funny. I know what my daughter watches, what games she plays and the people she talks to (friends from class only), and she knows to get me when a stranger contacts her on Xbox because she likes to play fortnite and destiny. Parents who dont want to put effort into parenting are (surprise, surprise) the ones who say it's too hard to keep track of everything. It's really not.
I think none of this would have happened if Morgan's parents acted like, well, parents. In the documentary they admitted that they noticed she was acting strange since an early age and they knew schizophrenia could be passed on from a parent to their child. All they had to do was take her to a psychiatrist to get her checked out. But they didn't. They're the main guilty party here IMO. I don't think the Slenderman creators are at fault at all. The Internet, for the most part, is not a place for children. Creepypastas are not for children. Yes, children have a right to be on the internet, but parents are there to make decisions, to guide them, to talk to them, etc. I myself am a creator. I've written some original stuff, but most of my writing is fanfiction. A lot of it is dark (topics such as murder, abuse, rape, all clearly tagged as such). If someone sees all the warnings, sees it is horror and still proceeds to read it, I am not at fault for that. They made the decision to do that. I see so many people out there accusing creators of perpetuating this and that (you see it a lot on Tumblr. Also, the movie Joker being a scapegoat in the media recently). Something happens, and everyone is quick to blame Marilyn manson's music, D&D, video games, horror movies, etc. What happened to personal responsibility? And also, while creators are out there getting harassed over fiction, who is protecting them? Who is protecting us from harassment just because, I dunno, someone wrote a horror story and another person took it wrong and is offended by it? Sorry for such a long response. As a creator, I am quite passionate about this as it affects me and those like me. :) Keep on making amazing videos! Love them ♥
I have seen clear mental illness ignored by teachers and parents before. It is a sad reality that we fear the possibility so much we deny its existence until something happens.
I couldn’t agree with you more! As a mom of four daughters and also being a lover of horror, I have been down the Creepypasta road. I love the stories as do my daughters, difference is... I know what my girls are reading and viewing.
I agree! Mental illness is a real disease like any other. Morgan's parents should have been more pro-active. As for Annisa, I surmise, she, too, suffered from undiagnosed mental illness as well.
I read creepypasta at 12 and didn't try to murder anybody. It's definitely on parents to check up on their kids and make sure they're well. I don't think I should've been monitored, personally, at least not by my mom, because she would've kept me from learning about anything outside of conservative Christian values, but when your kids are showing signs of mental illness, you should monitor them in general, and take them to a psychiatrist.
When they were asking Peyton to "Go to sleep", I was thinking about Jeff the Killer because that's his stupid catchphrase. And then the girls said they believed Jeff The Killer was real and I wanted to cry.
I have to say that 911 operator is one of the most helpful I have ever heard. he was really concerned about her wellbeing and didn’t ask 5000 unimportant questions before sending help
911 operators almost always send help right away. Usually the "unimportant questions" are only asked to keep the person on the phone talking to them because they like to keep the person on the phone until the police actually arrive.
@@TheSnyderWeb I have heard operators who decide to ask unrelated questions & missed related questions. They have had a dismissive or disbelieving attitude & generally distress, frustrate or anger the person in the other end of the phone. There are quite a few cases where a murder calls to report themselves & the operator does not listen to the information they freely give, or interrupt them to ask random questions, which doesn't help & they are already keeping themselves talking! There are other killers who sound eerily calm so the opperator assumes they are lying, often the killer has to repeat that their victim is dead, not breathing, shot through the heart, no pulse etc multiple times. Some ask questions as if they are trying to catch them out, more like an interpolation rather than collecting information. This dismissive attitude often angers killers, there is a difference between being calm compared to sounding bored or disbelieving. If someone is that volatile & violent, further enraging them is just making it more likely they will act out again, considering the next people they see will likely be the emergency services personnel, it is awfully poor & inappropriate conduct. I am sure there are idiots who make up stories to waste emergency services time but it is better to assume every phone call is genuine & to treat it with the gravity it deserves. The same as I would do with a child abuse complaint.
Slenderman was just an excuse. You can tell during the interview how awkward Annissa is feeling when trying to explain to the detective that she wanted to be a 'proxy'. She KNOWS it sounds like pathetic, weird nonsense now that the rush is gone. Morgan was psychopathic and came up with a grandiose justification just like adult psychopaths do. If creepypasta didn't exist, they'd have blamed Satan, or God, or made up their own fantasy like in the Parker-Hulme case.
@@SarahPikacat that doesn’t mean she can’t have psychopathic tendencies themselves. It’s also INCREDIBLY rare to have childhood schizophrenia. Most professionals won’t even consider it a valid diagnosis until one is an adult-partly because childhood is filled with imagination that would be called hallucinations or delusions in adults.. but its not. Many believe its unethical to diagnosis it in childhood because The child mind LEARNS through this imaginative process, and we may end up treating countless children with very powerful brain-altering drugs while their brain is still growing and we have NO idea what longterm effect that could have. In truth, schizophrenia is a type of early onset neurodegenerative disorder. Brain cells literally die and there’s other structural changes that alter brain functions, and once you hit a certain point, you start showing symptoms. The areas of the brain that are affected determine the nature of their symptoms-auditory or visual hallucinations if that processing part of the brain is affected, language disburbances if that particular area of the brain is affected, etc. In MRI studies and post-mortem examinations, there is reduced gray matter volumes in the medial temporsl, duperior temporal, and prefrontal area. There is noted fluid-filled spaces in the interior of the temporal lobes. There are other changes as well, and we’re still learning about it. I wouldnt be surprised if in the next decade or so it is re-categorized with alzhemiers, parkinsons, and similiar neurodegenerative conditions and not where it currently sits in the Dsm under “schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders” and reclassified under “neurocognitive disordef” because it IS a neurodegenerative condition, relatevely early onset compared to others. In untreated schizophrenia, the symptomology gets progressively worse and once you hit a certain point appropropriate medication mainly only stops the progression, and may only allow one to recognize that they are having hallucinations.. but it wont stop the hallucinations. Its mainly in the early stages of the disease that you see remission of all hallucinations. Back before antipsychotics, people with schizophrenia eventually turned catontic, if they werent killed first by their inability to do life-sustaining tasks like eating, drinking, not harming themselves. The same ends up happening in untreated bipolar. The reason i bring that up? We are supposed to believe that her hallucinations started when she was THREE and they continued until the murder. So thats a decade or more that her brain was slowly turning into mush.. and that wouldve had to start when she was an infant. Her interviews, emails, and other writing do not display typical speech and thought patterns that are common in schizophrenia. Granted, documented cases of child onset schizophrenia is pretty sparse, but i have a hard time believing shes a rare example of a schizophrenic that doesnt develop disordered and disorganized thought. I’m not saying she doesnt have some serious mental health-she absolutely does, but i do question the genuinity of her hallucinations as its being presented with us-ie starting when she was 3. I think its more reasonable that she was in the early stages of a psychotic disorder when this attempted and PLANNED murder occured, and instead of the typical conspiracy theory or religious fever (believing one is directed by a god, or is a god, etc), her brain latched on to the idea of slenderman. PLANNED and psychosis DO NOT go together, she still had the rational ability to think, control herself, and plan the event. I truly do not believe she was genuinely into a full blown psychotic state until after her arrest and the stress accelerated her condition. At the time of the attempted murder, she still had a grip on reality, and thus knew what she was doing was wrong.. why else would they discuss trying to cover up their tracks? Why the hell would they not start medication immediately following diagnosis otherwise when there is a clear family hsitory of schizophrenia? Or are we to believe someone who is described as “floridly psychotic” can be reasoned with by explaining the law and to not be medicated for OVER A YEAR AND A HALF while the courts try to figure out if she competent to stand trial? Nah, they wanted her to look completely incompetent to garner a nicer plea deal. Or, for all we know, she’s a female psychopath and shes playing the lomg game to not face life in person, and using her family history of schizophrenia to her advantage (or coached to.) Kinda hard to be viewed as crimimally insane if it suddenly stops. Regardless, It didn’t work well for her though, and she still had to accept a pretty shitty plea deal.
It’s not fair to blame the people who created Slenderman in any capacity. Creators are not responsible for the actions of their fans, unless they are actively condoning or encouraging that behaviour. The parents should have made sure the girls knew the difference between fantasy and reality. Period. The fact that one of the girls killed her Sims shouldn’t be a red flag either. Almost everyone who plays that game does that at some point. You could make the same claim about other games that enable you to do violence, and yet many scientific studies have shown that *video games do not make people more inclined to violence.* Committing violence in video games does not mean you’re willing to commit violence IRL, even if you’re talking about a game like the Sims which doesn’t revolve around combat and fighting. I’m also super mad at Peyton’s mom for body shaming her daughter RE: her scars. Having scars is in no way shameful. I personally find them attractive, and I’m sure there are plenty of others who do too. I hate the stigma around them, which Peyton’s mom is perpetuating by trying to make Peyton cover them up. The scars are a testament to Peyton’s badass-ery, tenacity, and strength, and she should be proud of them, IMO.
Agree with you 100%. I can't stand the narrative that games make you violent. I've played games for 20 odd years and I don't have a violent bone in my body. Violent people who HAPPEN to play video games probably have trouble distinguishing between rational/irrational emotions and outlets to begin with.
Choccy I’ve been playing games for about as long as well (started in earnest with Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic in high school). I’ve played or previously owned every iteration of The Sims (and yes… I do occasionally try to kill one or two of mine), but my favourite franchises are all of the ‘violent’ sort. Mass Effect, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Fallout, Assassin’s Creed (Origins especially, but that’s in part because I love ancient Egypt), and I could go on. Yet the only time I find it acceptable to commit violence IRL is in self-defence or defence of others, and I’m vehemently anti-Death Penalty. I don’t know if it’s the same for you, but violent video games act as a form of catharsis for me. A way to vent out my frustrations and agitation in a harmless way (though I have other means of doing so too, of course). But I also play almost exclusively story- and character-driven games, so that isn’t even the primary draw… I game to tell and be told stories. I think some people assume that violence is the only *goal* in video games that feature combat, but… that’s not always the case. Most of the video game trailers I see, the game being advertised has a story to tell, and telling that story is the goal. Not running around killing everything that moves.
For a second, I thought you meant self harm scars and I was like....uhm no. I don’t know why like I thought you were talking about one of troubled girls. Anyways, I totally agree with you 100%
Ann Cee it’s just proof that no matter how peaceful and kind a person is they will always become a cruel and spiteful god if they were given that kind of power
I believed in slender man too and me and my cousin would go around his house hunting it and try to kill it. I watched the realistic videos which scared me but I never invited my friend over and tried to sacrifice them to slender man. It’s not the creators fault. It’s the children. They did this. They thought this out and did this. It wasnt the creators sacrificing this girl to slender man. It was the the two kids she trusted. The kids should have known from right to wrong as to killing people is probably the most wrong you could do.
As a horror writer who has her own website, I expect kids to scream to mommy and daddy because they got scared by a creepy picture and everyone to rage about it. Talk to your kids, don't let the Internet be the babysitter. Don't blame teenagers (Creepypasta is written by teens for teens and it gets passed from older siblings to younger ones who spread it around the playground) for making internet campfire stories for mentally disturbed children attacking other children. If it wasn't Slenderman, it would have been Voldemort.
One piece of this puzzle that is often missed is that Morgan Geyser's schizophenia manifested at age 5 as a tall, slender boogyman type character she called "It." When Anissa showed her Slenderman, she became convinced not only that he was real, but that he had already tormented her.
Makes me mad that Peyton’s mom alluded to the fact her daughters scars should be hidden or something that’s grotesque. Idk it makes me upset, the mom should be the last person to think that, she should encourage her daughter to go for the homecoming dress that Peyton loves, despite it showing the scars, because it’s nothing that’s dirty or needs to be hidden.
She is the one that probably wants to hide them, not her mother. I have scars I am ashamed of being seen, even if people encourage me. They are reminders of pain, and when people notice them and ask or stare, the pain resurfaces.
Peytons mum is putting her child's emotional health first, she says how it is a constant painful reminder, so of course she is going to want to cover them up. Why do you assume Peyton's mum is making the decision rather than the mum respecting Peyton's wishes? My friend has a large surgery scar & although it saved his life, from a purely asthetic stand point he would rather not have it. He is a grown man, it would not be surprising if a teenage girl didn't want their body permanently damaged & changed in appearance either. When swimming people will often ask my friend what happened? Some people try to make it light-hearted by asking if it was shark attack, think how awful it would be to answer that it was when your two best friends tried to stab you to death! That isn't something a stranger would know how to handle & Peyton likely doesn't want to have to reveal this information to strangers; especially as it is still raw. She may be having fun being distracted & absorbed in building a sandcastle at the beech, then sees her scars, or someone asks, which makes her relive her trauma & ruins the moment; wanting to avoid that is perfectly understand able & reasonable. I have self harm scars & my mum encouraged me to not cover them up but I didn't want to have them on show until I was recovered enough to feel more comfortable & distanced from my past pain. Personally others people's reactions is the worst part, assumptions & people treating me poorly is a surprisingly common response. I was a teenager when this first happened, Peyton's mum probably has enough life experience to be aware of how judgemental & intrusive other people can be & how that negatively affects an individual, including the daughter she knows & loves. Peyton's mum is trying to protect her daughter & is standing up for her, she is not doing anything wrong & I assume she is talking on behalf of her daughter, not talking over her. Peyton & possibly the family had therapy after the event, I am sure the therapist will have discussed how she feels about her scars & they encouraged Peyton to lead all decisions, including how she dresses & looks. Peyton has been betrayed & taken advantage of in one of the worst ways possible, it is insulting to assume the mother would take advantage of her, rather than support Peyton's wishes in every way possible. (I am sorry if you did not have a supportive parent or if they were too controlling & if so I hope you are able to overcome their affects on your life.)
You have no evidence that the mother thinks that. This was a statement read for the court case. A court case against the people who attacked her daughter. Saying everything she can to put the girls away that almost killed her daughter is in her and her daughters interest. Mentioning the difficulty that the scars cause is exactly what the mother should do. A court of law is not a conversation with a friend. Think.
Stephanie, I'm sick and feel like crap, but when I saw this notification my mood went through the roof. Thank you. This case aggravated me so much and scared me too.
Lol, killing your sims was a past time. Alot of Simmers do it. To tell the truth though I freak out when my Sims catch on fire! Lol, I'm like the sims who see the other sims on fire. I'm freaking out , screaming and hyperventilating...I always forget how to put the fire out. 😂😂😂
I think the issue is disconnection, parents should be spending quality time with their children and be attentive. As a 12 year old, if my mum had tried to monitor me, I'd have pulled away even more.
Aunt Tonya at 11 and 12 I loved creepypasta, but I knew it was fake and while my friends and I created “proxies” to use as a game (we basically just drew and made up our own stories) but we never went out to hurt anyone. I feel like to some degree that they used the genre as a defense
@@sixfeetundertheradar6080 definitely, if anything args and LARPing serve as further evidence of something being fantasy and not reality. Your creating a did line of this is where we pretend it's real (example, /no sleep) and this is where it's just fantasy. Kids start to differentiate fantasy/reality around 10 yrs old, that's when santa kind of goes out the window. It seemed like they wanted this to get true because they knew it wasn't and when it sell apart it became their defense as well.
I feel like it isn't the creators responsibility to consider that people unintended to watch will go to extremes. It's those in charge of those to monitor. The same could be applied to movies and books. How many paranormal movies and TV shows have there been where it is "based on true events" we can't blame entertainment for murderers. If it wasn't one thing that triggered it it would be another.
This is kind of a weird thing to say but I really love how to maintain eye contact, lots of people who are telling a story often look around as they talk, but you keep eye contact and it really sets the tone for seriousness
Honestly to survive something like that and still decide to go on and do well is a massive F U to her evil violent and backstabbing ‘friends’. I hope she does even more amazingly throughout the rest of her life because how amazingly strong she was to live through this as a child.
It's a 911 call.. What else do people expect?? "Oh hey! Um.. Yeah there's a girl that's been stabbed she's got this cute top on omg haha but yeah come get her."
Medusa this one happened to be a remarkably calm 911 call... that was pretty impressive. Bless that guy for staying so cool and making sure help could find her. The Britteney Murphy call was hard to listen to, of course, but I don’t blame Steph at all for choosing to play it. It was relevant to the overall discussion, as regards theories about Murphy’s mother and husband
Pressed Between the Pages I know a lot of people thought the operator in the Britney video was condescending/rude. Personally the most infuriating thing in that video was the mother and husbands inability to follow direction 🤷🏻♀️ That operator was literally trying to get her to just focus on him, stop thinking just follow direction, but she couldn’t so he had to keep forcefully repeating the instructions. I think they were both so drugged out they couldn’t follow the operator.
As a member of the Creepypasta community, this news hit me hard. That a group of creative people made something that hurt others. I think as a community we still feel that. Also, love your videos
Maybe I didn't understand you properly. Are you implying the creator of Slenderman indirectly hurt someone through their creation? Because I don't agree with that at all.
Lara Gallahue at 21 I still enjoy creepy pasta, I’ve watched it since I was 11 or 12 so it’s nostalgic to me. Even as young as I was I knew it was all stories, I think the girls knew it was fake to and used this as an excuse... at least to some degree.
Farmhouse Felts Just like I tell my best friend who ended up being beaten repeatedly after 2 years of marriage to her seemingly prince charming husband, most people are not bad people. It’s extremely unlikely that the next man you marry will end up turning another violent psychopath, it’s also extremely unlikely that any other friend will ever attack her. We have to remind victims of violence often that most people are actually good people that would never hurt others. I think it helps my friend when I put things into that perspective for her.
I really hope Payton has learned how to love herself and her body even with the scars. She is a gorgeous girl and does not deserve to feel ugly because of what those girls did to her. She somehow survived despite the fact she was so close to death, she is meant to be here, she is worthy of an amazing and fulfilling life. She is a beautiful soul and she is so strong!
So sad and terrible absolutely Payton deserves all the best and all the best love and l surely hopes she will realize how beautiful she is despite this too bless her brave heart and what a fighter and it for sure was obviously not her time. I remember hearing about this and glad Payton survived it will be hard for her just so heartbreaking. Those girls are freaking psychopaths l hope they needed to be punished. My mom had a good friend who had schizophrenia and she never killed anyone and was a really good friend. So nice try. Payton is a true warrior
It can’t possibly be a writers, artists, etc responsibility if someone develops some kind of unhealthy obsession with their creative works. That’s just ridiculous. I watched tons of horror movies as a kid and I never thought they were real, much less went on to murder someone because of them. 12 year olds may be impressionable and get lost in fantasies, but they’re not stupid and undoubtedly know murdering someone is wrong - and even if they don’t, it’s not the writers fault.
Omg im laughing so much when the post notification come through i thought “why is stephanie doing a video called spiderman made me do it “ 😂😂😂😂😂 my bad read it wrong
_Folie a deux_ is a weird phenomenon. Usually, neither would do, say, or believe these things, but together they sustain each other and create a shared reality.
Just watching this video after discovering you about a month ago, Stephanie. I love your delivery of facts and the way you set up the stories. Thank you for the work you do! The man who called 911 and the 911 operator did an AMAZING job at staying calm, getting help to her, and relaying information. Just incredible.
Oh what a beautiful morning! Got my long sleeve "Dont come for me" Tee on, its a crisp fall morning, and an upload from the incomparable Stephanie Harlowe!!!
My hubby's niece would hide under her desk while class was in session, and she'd bark and snarl if anyone tried to join her under there. It started in the first grade. Fun times.
My sisters used to pretend like they were dogs nonstop when they were little. One of them got suspended because she bit another student when she was in first grade. Another time they chained themselves to a tree in the backyard and were barking at cars going by. We had a few people stop and ask why the kids were chained to the tree 😂
Blaming a creepypasta author for the actions of one of their readers is just as ridiculous as the people’s so-called logic who blamed Marilyn Manson. For the Columbine school shooting tragedy, or John Daniel McCollum’s parents suing Ozzy Osborne and Black Sabbath and alleging that the song “suicide solution” was a supposed proximate cause in their son’s suicide, or elyse pahlers parents blaming Slayer for her death. While a depressed person listening to slow sad music is probably not the best way to deal w depression, that is their choice and is not the musicians responsibility. I’ve listened to sad music during deep depression which got worse after my fiancé died - he woke up one day not feeling well, he thought it was just his ulcer which bothered him from time to time. He refused to go to the Dr and he didn’t have great insurance at the time. a few hours later he threw up blood and was cyanotic - cold to the touch so I immediately called an ambulance despite his protests and he died in the ambulance. He had a pulmonary embolism a blood clot in his lung. He hadn’t been getting enough air and went into cardiac arrest. He was 29 years old.- and I heard sad music that was composed after the artist lost someone they loved and it helped me because I felt that I wasn’t so alone that someone else felt even a tiny bit of what I was feeling and they survived it. So it can sometimes even help but it’s not always the greatest idea to listen to sad music if you’re just wallowing in it.). Hell the Beatles were even brought to court over a ridiculous case like that if I remember correctly. Come on Stephanie. Be reasonable. Artists should not be expected to self censor. It is the parents job to guide their children and pay attention to what content their children are consuming, clearly. I know you are a mom and it’s personal when, as you said yourself, you have a 8 year old, but it’s just not logical. This is the kind of thinking that contributes to/ is responsible for injustices like the West Memphis 3. When we look at someone else and judge them by their style or taste in music, we miss the person underneath. How would you feel, steph if people assumed you were evil or morbid or a murderer or whatever just because you have an interest in true crime and talk about it on your channel? You asked what did the author expect to happen? Well, they probably expected people to read and enjoy their story and maybe get scared. The author didn’t even know their story would become as popular as it did. Im sure they didn’t expect or intend for anyone to go out and stab somebody after reading it. We are naturally curious about death and the darker side of life and that’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with not ignoring that side of life too particularly if you balance it out, but that is up to every adult. Children may not be ready to deal with darker themes and that is where the parents come in and help to moderate what they watch and teach them self control and self moderation. If anyone should practice self censorship it should be each adult who consumes content if they know it may be too dark for them... however people (adults) don’t always know or may have a condition that makes it hard for them to judge. As someone who creates music etc myself, this I admit is also personal to me, because I have directly experienced it from when I was younger in a punk band that explored dark themes to my art since then not being displayed everywhere that they usually display it after winning these awards, after I won the same award, sorry awkward phrasing, etc , ( and I get that some of my darker art isn’t for everyone) so I’m biased too....but let’s use logic here, okay? Thanks.
I feel bad that you wrote this long story, but at no time did Stephanie blame anyone for this. Clearly you were listening for something that wasn't even there.
I don’t think this was blame I think she was pointing out that it’s absolutely not a real .. thing? (Idk what to call it) cause there’s a creator. There’s a origin from a contest. A person created this. He’s not real. I don’t think she was necessarily blaming him so much as saying these idiots didn’t do the research that could have prevented their dumb actions. To be honest I think they would have just found another thing to latch on but.. they’re fucking idiots. Kids or not I’ve been obsessed with creepy crap since I was 2 and haven’t purposely killed anything ever.
I could be wrong but I just kept getting the vibe that your blaming the internet and creators of horror fiction for this. It’s not the internets job to tell a child what to and what not to watch or read, it’s the parents.
This reminds me of the Juliet and Pauline case. Delusional young girls feeding off of each other. Edit: lol Just got to where you said the same thing. Great minds and whatnot. 😂
So I was born and raised in Waukesha and still live here currently. This horrible attack shook this whole community to its core. I work literally a block from where this happened. Her mothers letter literally makes me ball 💔
when you ask "what did you expect to happen" when someone makes a story and puts it online..Do you ask the same question to anyone who creates a story and publishes it? do you then also blame a story creator fort a few people who took their stories to try and convince other people that they were real? Anyone who knows the internet well and the communities that exist within it.. knows that Creepy Pastas are nothing more than current time campfire stories. These kinds of stories are as old as humans existence on the earth i think.. You can't push any kind of blame on people who create these kinds of stories.. just like you cant really push blame on any one who writes novels in the horror genre. Sorry as an artistic type this section of your video kind of rubbed me in an awkward way. No one should be blamed for someone else not being able to tell the difference between fiction and fact.. People on the internet twist truths on anything and everything these days..
I thought she was just talking about the communities trying to pass Slenderman as a real thing, and erroneously lumped in the creator of the story. I might be wrong though, and in that case I agree she shouldn't blame the author for other people's actions
she's not blaming the creator, she's pointing out that acting like these things are real all the time makes it hard for people with poor reality checking skills to figure out what's real and fake.
My mother use to get so upset with me for reading Stephen King and/or horror novels starting when I was 12 - saying they were a bad influence on me and could lead me to do horrible things. It never happened. Let's not blame creators
I remember when this happened... that little girl is such a survivor. To make it through something as horrible as this is so amazing. Shes truly an inspiration ♡
I absolutely love how you add in lots of pics and the 911 calls! And I'm so glad that sweet girl survived. The age, even how she looks reminds me so much of my baby sister.
I don't believe in God or miracles, but when I hear that the knife missed her heart by one millimeter, even I have to at least wonder if something wasn't looking out for her.
There are odds for everything in life. Our human minds just take closer note of odd things and sometimes attach a supernatural meaning behind them even though we so often see the opposite. If we just barely miss hitting an oncoming car, we're so grateful that sometimes we think there must be "a reason" we swerved. In reality, if we think it through, it is more common to ride safely in a car although people die every day in car accidents. Her organs being nearly fatally wounded is not a miracle. A miracle would be something truly supernatural like instead of getting stabbed, her body grew armor and the knife was not able to penetrate her body. Those of us who have listened to lots of true crime know that unfortunately, this ending is rare.
"When you put something on the internet it's accessible to everyone" - true, but I believe it's much more the responsibility of the parents to pay attention to what their children are watching than the one of the people behind these creations. Sometimes adults want to see scary, violent or sexual things and half of the internet wouldn't exist if everything was censored due to the fact that some kid could have access to it. Sure, websites (much like TV channels) with content inappropriate for kids should definitely have warnings, but again - it's the parents' responsibility to make sure their children won't access these things, or to explain why they aren't real. And I also have some criticism regarding the girls' parents. Morgan's own mother said that from a young age she noticed her daughter lacked empathy. Why didn't she do anything? Well, I guess because when it's your child you're blind to those things, trying to convince yourself your child is "normal". Who knows, maybe if she would have been diagnosed sooner Payton wouldn't have to live with the scars and trauma, and maybe Morgan herself could have had a better life, managing her illness. But yes, a shout out to Payton who was so brave. I hope she gets a lot of support from her friends and family and will sometime manage to regain some trust in people.
I think anyone who's ever played the Sims has done a thing or two not unlike what Morgan said she was going to do. I mean there's a reason why Sims no longer need a ladder to get out of a pool 😒
My son is the same age and when this case broke, he was astounded that those girls could believe that Slenderman was real. I asked him what he knew about the Slenderman story and he explained what creepypastas were and that they were like the urban legends I had heard when I was his age (ie: the hooked arm lover’s lane killer). I had watched his internet usage pretty closely at home and he said they just passed them around at school on their cell phones at lunch. It was the first time I realized that I couldn’t be every where with him and that he was now navigating things on his own. We talked for a long time that day and he kept saying mom, no one in their right mind thinks those things are real! Those girls were messed up if they did. He is now 18 and a very well adjusted young man. I feel so sorry for Payton and am in awe of her strength! As a woman with scars from surgeries, I hope she can one day look at them with pride that they are proof that she survived!
Great video. Sometimes I look at the title and think “no, I already heard about this” ...then when I finally do watch...I get hooked...you tell a great story...you keep it so interesting and you don’t just READ us a story. Bravo girl. Love you.
every time i watch or read things about this story my heart breaks. payton didn’t deserve to go through that. i can’t even begin to imagine how much fear she felt the day of the attack and after. i’m so glad she survived. i’m so proud of her for managing to stay alive. i really hope she’s doing okay right now. i hope it’s getting a bit easier day by day.
I love when you include the 911 calls within your videos since they really do provide more insight on the situation and what is happening within some of the biggest moments of a case.
Personally, had the creator not made Slenderman, I feel like she would've just latched onto another character or figure.
Even without that attachment, I wouldn't be surprised if she had done something just as dangerous in a different situation.
Renea M Exactly. Something people either don’t seem to grasp - or willfully ignore - is that little nitwits like this will latch onto whatever to explain, excuse, or give internal context to their actions. It’s not the books, games, art, creepypastas, movies, whatever; it’s a mental illness and an utter lack of responsibility.
100% agree with you, they would have used anything to end up in a situation like this.
Hell, they even mention Snape.They could have had Naggini telling them to murder their friend to become a death ether.
I totally agree with this. This is a case of two girls who lacked empathy and would have found themselves in this situation regardless.
Kaine Andrews yes! 👏👏👏
I agree. She’s a sociopath- something serious would have happened eventually. No empathy. Only thinking of herself. Isolation. She’s smart and cunning, too. I’m glad she’ll be in a mental health facility for a long time.
That man is a selfless hero. When asked "is there an assailant around?" His answer....."I didn't even look"....his concern was that little girl and he didn't even stop to think of his own safety.
What a king honestly
So true!!!
Thats a miracle right there
I caught that also and his 911 call stuck with me long after it was over...just thank God he was there when he was.
Omg I thought the same
"Never thought when I had kids I'd have to have the discussion with my son that you can't facetime JESUS!!!"🤣😂🤣😂.. I just
Choked on my oatmeal, that was hilarious, but true!
Just trying to roll with the punches over here, lol
@@StephanieHarlowe I am so impressed with every one of your presentations. You deserve nothing but success!! You made my day!🤗🙏
Unfortunately, there's no cell reception in heaven. Or else I'd be facetiming my dad all the time.
I am so sorry. Though you can not see him, I think he can see you, and I am sure he is proud of you.
@@MooMoo-bz8ys No need to be sorry. Though he's not here on earth anymore, I know he's always with me. I am his daughter, after all.
That Greg is a great guy. The way he talked to the operator and explained the situation, and the way he helped her through it. Wow. Give that guy a medal, am I right?
Okay but Greg on the Bike was a real one. He was the kind of person you would hope would help you if you were ever in a bad situation.
No doubt. Gota love a cyclist lol🤘🏼
Go Greg! Stayed calm so Peyton would stay calm even though it must have been a harrowing experience
I don't know how he was able to stay so calm. I've been more shaken having to phone 911 by far far far less than finding a young girl covered in blood on the side of the road.
it reminds me of the two cyclists that tackled brock turner and held him down until authorities arrived. jane doe stated that she added a picture of a bicycle on her bedroom wall to always remember her heroes :')
I have a coworker who’s daughter was in a horrific atv accident. She and the driver were both injured, but she had extreme bleeding in her arm and leg. A man happened to drive by and got out, called 911, and held his body weight down on her leg to stop the blood flow. He saved her from having to lose her leg. She did lose her arm but he saved her leg and her life. She was weeks from high school graduation. She and the man are still in contact and he was one of her supporters at her graduation. She is now a wonderful mom because of that man being a good person!
I can’t agree with putting the blame on the author of slenderman, that’s like blaming any author or writer for killing in the name of their work. It should fall on the parents for not providing guidance to their child.
No it should fall on these 2 girls that decided to stab a girl 19 times!!!! Why do people try to always blame everyone BUT the damn perp!!!????
@@jessicawilson4655 because the news always blames the media.
@@jessicawilson4655 i mean, i dk how factual/unbiased this info is...but another commenter mentioned how her father has high-functioning schizophrenia. yet her parents didn’t get her medical treatment despite schizophrenia being highly genetically inheritable AND despite her telling them about the hallucinations she was plagued with when she was younger…so there does seem to be an element of her having tried to reach out for much needed help (while she was still lucid and not experiencing any psychosis) only to be brushed away by her parents…
in the case of the other girl, i see it as classic “folie a deux”. This is a phenomenon where the extreme delusions of one person (like those of psychosis) can become “contagious" to another individual if experienced in a certain context. and this context is exactly the one the 2 girls were in (it usually occurs between 2 people almost co-dependent/obsessive about their relationship with each other, so much so that they isolate themselves from the outside world). when only one person can serve as another person's “reality check” and they start to lose their grasp on reality for whatever reason, the other person will quickly follow.
our stable concept of reality is far more tenuous and based on other people than we like to believe (*a similar example is how solitary confinement causes people to lose their minds and all sense of reality-"folie a deux" is basically like self-inflicted solitary confinement, involving 2 people instead of only 1).
I agree. That would be like blaming Stephanie harlowe for putting this out there and somebody copycatting it. Does not make any sense to blame somebody who wrote a story
That and the fact the child was literally messed up enough to do it.. Not all kids are going to kill people just because they saw something when unsupervised by parents
Me: I think I’ve heard everything about this case already
Stephanie: Hold my coffee
Kira McQueen really?? You learned new things from this? That’s awesome I’m so glad!
There are so many videos of hers I think this but I’m so glad I watch hers!! No other video compares!
Exactly what I thought when I saw this video. Lol
This is why she’s the BEST! She goes above and beyond and tells it like a story! I can listen to her all day! lol
Kira McQueen 👏 She is always on it.
Oh man. The 911 operator saying, 'Stay with her; Protect her' made my cry.
This man was the best operator I've heard. Every call I hear is so stressful and infuriating.
I thought exactly the same, calm, helpful and asked all the right questions ✌️
I was thinking that too. He was calm and kind, not condescending or irritable at all. I was heated listening to the Brittany Murphy 911 call the other day.
My thoughts exactly! He almost helped heal the trauma of the Josh Powell 911 call
I commented the same thing! He was great!
My thoughts exactly, thank you. 🤔
That dispatcher was one of the most professional and meticulous dispatchers I’ve ever heard. He did an awesome job at asking certain questions and giving the right advice/directions in handling the situation until the authorities arrived.
He did, great guy. Did he ask if she was bleeding and get the same response at two different points though or was that me misremembering?
@@SobrietyandSolace yeah but it's cause the guy was being vague
Little Wolf Taima I think he was also continuing to monitor and see if anything had changed
Agree 100% For some reason it’s always important to me to listen to how the emergency operator handles things and this one stood out in a good way. Difficult job to have.
Hallelujah! Finally, a competent 9-1-1 dispatcher! High five, dude! 👏👏👏
Peyton is incredible! She used what she thought could be her last breaths to tell her attackers “I trusted you. I hate you.” And THEN dragged herself, with 19 stab wounds, for help! What a badass! She’s amazing and I commend her for everything she’s already overcome and IS overcoming 👏🏻👏🏻
I agree! Like how badass can you get?
@@brittaolson6550 Its Jamie Davies how are you doing Britta Olson?
It is not about "convincing children". It is a form of roleplay community for horror lovers that are ADULTS. It is always explicitly stated, that those sites are for adults. the /nosleep site is a roleplay site. You also wouldn't blame Stephen King for a crime if someone decided to kill someone based on one of his books.
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That WAS one of his books, wasn't it? Lol.
Lol Slenderman was so popular among kids, I would never think of it as an adult thing
Exactly!!! I love Stephen King and don't wanna kill anyone. Except pedos.
Reddit isn’t a role play site. It’s a forum. Lol
A couple things: as a person who played Sims basically my entire childhood and got any and ALL of my friends into it, killing sims is not an abnormal thing and no one would really be all that alarmed if someone did that enough to tell someone that they think said person is a psychopath. The game has a comedic and quite cartoon-ish way of death so it's not disturbing in any way. Something as simple as a lamp blocking a sims way can lead to their death. I mean heck, you can chat with the grim reaper and become his BFF. The games are all rated PG-13 are in no way gruesome.
Secondly, I don't really like the implication that those who write things like the slenderman should feel they have any involvement. Nor should any ounce of blame fall on those who write horror stories like it. Of course no one would expect what these girls did! People have been reading and writing fiction and getting into the stories as if they were real for a looooong time.
I do, however, place a heavy amount of blame on the parents of these girls.
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I completely agree with your statement. Often in the sims community, people will joke about how they woudl let their sims burn or drown when they were young. I personally didn't, or maybe tried it once but thought it was too gruesome and dint make a practise out of it - but it's a fairly common phenomenon in the community.
Amaryllis Renzella yup, totally agree with everything you stated here. Especially your second point. And your third point, absolutely the parents have at LEAST partial blame for this whole mess, and that’s being generous tbh. I never felt like either Morgan or Anissa’s parents were sound individuals in the interviews I’ve seen. Morgan’s parents even had the gall to say to Peyton’s parents (it was a question on what they’d say to them if they were watching), “yeah we know our kid almost murdered your kid and physically and emotionally scarred her for life and all, but WE’RE sUFFEriNG tOo!” 🤮🤮🤮 (paraphrasing there of course, it was the gist tho and I was floored. I have no doubt they are suffering and miss their sociopathic kid, but the amount of disrespect that takes to publicly state that to the family of the victim is astounding to me)
I know right? I think everyone who played the sims killed them intentionally
also- sims come back as ghosts (unless you send them to the underworld?? Its been a minute since I played that games I apologize if I'm incorrect). you're not really permanently getting rid of them. They visit
stephanie harlowe: wearing two different socks is such a 12 year old thing to do
me a 19 year old wearing two different puppy socks: 👀👀👀
I'm a 26 year old mother of 2 and I still dont match my socks. My kids' socks yeah, but I see no point matching mine. Lol
Samantha UwU I’m 22 and I too never have matching socks lol
same
Samantha UwU I’m wearing cat socks LOL
Samantha UwU - for some reason I just can’t mismatch my socks, I would freak out a bit. I’m a perfectionist with autism so it just makes me cringe a bit because of different lengths of socks. Although I wouldn’t get uncomfortable with other people doing it.
This happened in my neighborhood. I don’t know any of the people involved personally, but last year I saw Peyton at Starbucks with her mom. She looked well to me and was laughing and joking with her mom. Obviously underneath that she will be forever scarred but it was nice to see her smile! I can’t believe this happened so close to me.
That's great to hear thank you for sharing
Emily Rhodes they need psychedelic assisted therapy
I took walks every weekend and was literally on the corner of Sunset and East Ave right at the time the whole thing was happening...it's just so freaky this sort of thing happened in our town. I feel for Peyton - how can she EVER have any trust again after that? And Anissa and Morgan.....those two need to stay committed in mental health wards for life.
Yeah I moved here from Maryland and I'm so surprised I now live in the same area as this incident.
When the 911 operator says “protect her” it brought a tear to my eye. As a mother, I would absolutely do my best to protect that child from anyone and anything near that road. This case just gives me chills.
I Facetime Jesus all the time. (It's my brother's name) 😂
Minnie Mercury 😂😂😂 got me! It’s possible!
😂 nice. Also your profile pic is the cutest 🥰
@@boogiebear3095 thanks! My kitty looks like he's laughing 😸
Lies! You blasphemer! You're going to hell!
Lol sorry, I'm feeling sassy today 😋
😂
I’m really impressed by the guy who found the girl, he was so cool, calm and collected! Thank God he found her. And thank God she survived this hideous attack...
That man literally saved her life.
I cried with this case. So sad and... wild.
There is no god to thank
Laquinton Wagner ok, boomer
@@mikeutube011 you’re... not even using that right. Boomers are the religious ones 🤣
I don't agree that the creators have any responsibility. The parents should have been more on top of things.
Abra AWE-bruh Singleton agreed 🙌🏻
They created an 8 foot character with no face and tentacles with blades and they’re to blame because someone believed it was real????? Then anyone who creates a horror character can be blamed: Freddy Kreuger, Michael Myers, Jason.....there’s a chance they’re real, right?
Exactly! Columbine didn't happen because of Marilyn Manson, those parents had plenty of signs of trouble an they ignored those signs then turned around blaming Manson. Parents jobs are to control what their child views & plays! I never understood how ppl will blame someone else before themselves when it comes to their own kids v
Exactly. The internet for home had just started when my children were 12 and 10. I had parental controls set. My daughter, little smarty, learned how to bypass it, and I caught her online once at midnight. I took the power cord.
Definitely, it's not the fault of horror creators
I like creepypasta and I don't stab my friends. Blaming the creators is like blaming Stephen King.
I dont know man, last time I read a Stephen King book I turned all the cell towers into devices that turned people into mindless zombies. Next thing you know, Trump was elected...
@@creative_angst trump was elected cause he was the best choice.
@@creative_angst
It finally worked during the 2020 election because Biden was elected. Oof.
@@Mediocre_Comments to be voted off the island
@@creative_angst lmfao right? I mean as a writer myself I was livid at that.
“She locks up her sims and sets them on fire”
Me: *slowly closing out of my sims game and backing away*
Raine Cloud That’s what I was thinking. Every kid with sims has made them die on purpose at some point. Probably more than once. Either for strategy or curiosity or boredom honestly. Doesn’t mean we all want to kill people irl!!
@@charleneb5361 I did it once and instantly felt bad
There's entire channels dedicated to killing Sims in odd ways, check out GrayStillPlays or Deligracy does it from time to time.
If you want a personal graveyard to create a family similar to the Goth family, you have to do a few Sim sacrifices along the way.
My younger brother would often create large families in The Sims 1 so he could kill a few off to sell their urns for money. Lol. I finally told him money cheats so he didn't have to do it anymore. He was probably 10 years old at the time.
I don't think killing Sims characters off as a child or even as an adult is indicative of anything, nor worthy of running to get a person mental help over. There were obviously plenty of other warning signs, but this one was far reaching. I think anyone who's ever played the Sims would be locked up if it were some sign of a serious issue. Hahaha.
I was with you until you talked about the creator of the story. It’s not their responsibility how people react to their characters. Creepypastas are meant to be for adults. Parents are supposed to watch their kids not the internet. You can’t expect people on the internet to censor themselves on the off chance a child will find it. The internet as a whole is not for kids. RUclips is not for kids.
Еxactly what I thought. Parents should monitor what their kids watch online, who their friends are etc. A kid can easily slip in the wrong direction.
especially because Something Awful's forum has a PAYWALL. It costs $10 to register and even more if you want archives access, etc. So if you didn't have a credit card, you were blocked out. A lot of popular/impressive threads did get featured on the mainpage, but let's be honest, even SA members have forgotten there's a website back in the early 2000s. There's no way the OP could have known what would happen.
Kids really should not be on the internet period, but that genie's already out of the bottle sadly.
Lol no creepy pastas are for kids, Not one single adult I met enjoys them unironically. ARGs are what adults get into cause its """deep""" and """artsy""". Every creepypasta website, forum, art page is full of 5-10 year olds.
Agreed. There were a lot of creepy bloody stories before the internet and I'm sure some psychos got inspired by them in the same way. The internet just made it easier to find.
@@squashedshibber2684 I think the adult one is r/nosleep lol. I can safely say I only ever avoid r/nosleep because once I'm on it I get stuck in a rabbit hole for hours or days reading lol. there's been some truly great stories there.
I wanna know how they convinced Payton to go with them to the woods after punching her in the face and trying to knock her out
Hannah Eliza sad to think of. She must have been a very lonely girl.
Bystarlite That’s what I thought, too. Poor girl
Probably scared...
Hannah Eliza my thoughts exactly! why in the world would she go with them into the woods after they just tried to knock her out?
It sounds like she was a pretty compliant girl. To be attacked by a childhood friend was scary, shocking and disorienting.
Creators are not responsible for how others interpret their work. Period. End of story.
But of course they are. Why else would they create foolishness if not to add more foolishness.
@@100gds2 huh 😭
@@100gds2 By that logic, J.D Salinger is responsible for the death of John Lennon, because a guy who read Catcher in the Rye thought it was telling him to kill John Lennon, and so he did.
technically, slenderman started out as the digital art of one person. A single individual's creative idea. Perhaps you don't like horror or creature lore or whatever it is genre you want to include the pictures and caption in but it is very much art. As with all art you are allowed to subjectively decide if _you_ specifically think it is foolish or not. But your phrasing comes across as much more broad than you may have intended to, and as foolish itself because it sounds like you're referring to art as foolishness. Or art that is in the horror genre is foolish? Art that requires suspension of disbelief which is a LARGE portion of it?
I side with the commenter who says that by your logic JD Salinger can be blamed for John Lennon's death. Art speaks to different people different ways. The creators are only responsible for putting it out into the world, not the good or bad things some kind and loving or deranged and evil individual chooses to use it as inspiration for.
@@100gds2so not true, this type of stuff is not meant for kids, i heard about slender,an and this case when i was like 8 which is super bad in its self but i never turned out like this, neither did anyone i knew who also was interested in this stuff, the kids and the parents are to blame, not the creator of slenderman.
This is a parenting fail. When I was a kid I watched all kinds of horror movies, however, my parents you know...were parenting and had taught us how all this stuff was not real, showed us behind the scenes stuff, told us about the makeup etc. Like she said she EXPLAINS this to her children. Talk to your kids, in fact turn off the tablet, phone, computer....and go outside to play with them.
Yup! Spot on comment.
I don’t like how people blame the parents. A TWELVE year old knows murder is wrong and that slender man isn’t real.
The behind the scenes stuff is an awesome idea for kids who like horror movies. Way to go parents!
Morgan's been diagnosed with schizophrenia, so her ability to distinguish what was real or pretend was blurred. Not an excuse to murder, but adds some explanation.
The parents said that they take responsibility and the dad feels extreme regret that he didn't notice her early signs of schizophrenia when he himself has the illness. Obviously it's easy to judge from afar but I think the extra layer of mental illness is what really turn this from a parenting fail into a serious situation.
I’m just thankful that little girl made it home.
anastasiagirl1342 me too!!!
Amen
Isn’t that amazing!? It made me happy that In this story the victim made it.
Omg poor baby girl!!!😥
😭🙏🏽
Stephanie: “As he scribbled in his notebook, she whispers...”
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😂😂😂 really?!?!?
Poke bowls are delicious 😍
That happened to me too! It freakin scared the heck out of me! But it was air freshner... but my gosh it was disconcerting cause it sounded like a whisper.
😂😂😂 that did make me laugh:)!
“FaceTiming Jesus” sounds like a nice way to say someone died like:
“Don’t worry, little Bobby. Grandpa went to FaceTime Jesus.”
S. Albertsen 😆😆
OMG xD I need to use this.
"Grandma went to the big zoom meeting in the sky, son."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Millennial goals.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Parents need to be more vigilant about what their kids are doing on the internet. Especially at that age!
Savanna Nash I 1000% agree. My older son is just starting to watch RUclips videos, but he’s only allowed to do so on our smart TV in the living room or we do it together on my phone so I can see exactly what he’s watching at all times.
Writers are not responsible for how consumers handle their stories. Putting some of the blame on the creepypasta creators is wrong.
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Freedom comes with responsibility. Humans have abiding social responsibility to humankind. It's akin to survival.
Katta Lady I think the real responsibility lies with the adults in society making sure to remind kids that reality doesn’t necessarily exist on phone or computer screen. You should be able to create any character you want without assuming people are stupid enough to believe everything.
no way creepypasta is trash, dangerous trash. so is stephen king #burnbooks
Hahahaha #burnbooks #maga
Katta Lady so are we supposed to only allow wholesome, family-friendly works of art (paintings, music, movies, books...) because someone somewhere might do something bad because of them? That’s pure insanity and would be incredibly boring. Where do you draw the line?
Stephanie: "She's wearing 2 different socks which is such a 12-year-old thing to do."
Me: **looks down at feet**…………. i'm 33. =/
Same here, and I'm 63! 😂
Yess
Lmao yes and when anyone says anything I say "I have the same pair at home" like my mom used to 🤦♀️
They need to be the same cut but not the same color! Doing that still at 29
Life’s too short to wear matching socks
To be honest when I was 12 I knew what was real and what was not.
Right?! People have been telling spooky stories forever...no one ever believes it...
Same
@@LadyLakeland That is not true. Tons of people believe lores and stories. And even when they don’t believe it it can still be creepy af.
@Sapientia does that mean you think people who believe in myths are also paranoid schizophrenics? People that believe in ghosts and skinwalkers?
@@MoonMoonTM yea but no one ever goes out and kills people because of something that may or may not be true and everyone is telling them it's not true, which I'm sure many 12 year olds told this girl slenderman wasn't real, but she still lost touch with reality. Ghosts and skinwalkers are actually more common, long held beliefs but as far as I know no one ever kills someone about it. Slenderman is a very modern legend on par with Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark or something like that we all read when we were little and no one went and sacrificed their friend to the pale woman. Lol. And if they do yea, I do believe they are mental.
So to clarify, just for you, no one ever believes it-to the extent of murder*
Listen I in NO way am okay with what Morgan did, but her dad saying “oh well she never seemed depressed” made me so upset. That’s the same thing my dad said when I attempted suicide. Just because parents don’t see it doesn’t mean the mental illness isn’t there.
On that note I hope Peyton recovers well and that her trauma doesn’t affect her adult life too bad. I hope she has the wonderful life she deserves
I agree, and he was wrapped up with his own stuff. Which doesn’t make him a bad parent, we all get distracted once in a while. But most of the time your child won’t come right out and tell you they’re depressed
Sometimes people with depression don't even know they're depressed. I was 25 when I found out I had depression after trying to commit suicide. I also found out after more evaluation that I'd likely had depression since my early childhood. My parents were much to blame for my mental illnesses so obviously in cases where the parents pretty much contribute to mental illness in their children they aren't going to recognize anything is wrong with their child. It's very sad, but that's how it is in most cases.
@@basicleighdisney5643 I'm glad you're still here! I know what you mean though - depression and anxiety run in our family and looking back at pictures from childhood, I was almost always biting my nails and rarely smiled. There were signs there early on in life. When I was put on anti depressants at 19, I was told I needed to just "get over" certain life events that I'm sure contributed but were not the sole reason by any means. It's crazy that even all these years later, mental health has such a "get over it" or "it's not real" stigma. It exists and can be a nightmare to live with.
You can’t blame the artist. At all. You’ve tried to do this multiple times. It is not the internet’s fault for having a forum that PRETENDS for things to be real. The internet isn’t just for kids. The parents should have been more involved in their child’s life. Asking the artist “What were you expecting to happen?” is complete bullshit. The artist made a picture for a contest and it took a life of its own. He has no responsibility for what others do with his work. I don’t mean to sound rude, but I hate when people do this.
stfu_imshelli I agree. It really feels like the parents of Morgan and Annisa should’ve done a lot more. They were planning this out over email. If they had monitored any sort of internet usage, this wouldn’t have happened. Strangers on the internet are not going to parent kids, and it’s ridiculous to expect them to.
I don't think kids under 16 should use the internet... Other then for school work or something... They don't need anything the internet has...
Z¡a Qu33n well that’s one persons opinion. It’s kind of like saying “Fuck educating kids on having sex. Just tell them not to have sex.” approach and spoiler - that usually never helps. How about better educating kids and teens how the internet works and safety for when using the internet. Completely taking it away is one - over doing it and two - unachievable. Now if you want to restrict your kids from using it because youd rather do that than educate them on how to safely use the internet then by all means be that parent. Don’t make all of us do that to our kids. Thanks.
Exactly. Just like the so called MoMo. It was created by an artist for a specific purpose and then the image was used for other purposes. I saw so many concerned comments from parents at my child’s school, yet none of them supervised what their child watched 🙄
@@tombraider13 dude, right? Parents seems to only care AFTER something happens. It's so easy to monitor yours kids use of the internet now, it's not even funny. I know what my daughter watches, what games she plays and the people she talks to (friends from class only), and she knows to get me when a stranger contacts her on Xbox because she likes to play fortnite and destiny. Parents who dont want to put effort into parenting are (surprise, surprise) the ones who say it's too hard to keep track of everything. It's really not.
"There's no way that this RUclipsr was facetiming Jesus"
Omg lol wasn't ready for that one
Right?
Christen M That caught me off guard, and then I couldn’t stop picturing someone FaceTiming Jesus. 😂😂😂😂
The 911 Caller was amazing so calm and selfless he didn't even check for his own safety. God Bless him I hope he has amazing luck in life
I think none of this would have happened if Morgan's parents acted like, well, parents. In the documentary they admitted that they noticed she was acting strange since an early age and they knew schizophrenia could be passed on from a parent to their child. All they had to do was take her to a psychiatrist to get her checked out. But they didn't. They're the main guilty party here IMO.
I don't think the Slenderman creators are at fault at all. The Internet, for the most part, is not a place for children. Creepypastas are not for children. Yes, children have a right to be on the internet, but parents are there to make decisions, to guide them, to talk to them, etc. I myself am a creator. I've written some original stuff, but most of my writing is fanfiction. A lot of it is dark (topics such as murder, abuse, rape, all clearly tagged as such). If someone sees all the warnings, sees it is horror and still proceeds to read it, I am not at fault for that. They made the decision to do that.
I see so many people out there accusing creators of perpetuating this and that (you see it a lot on Tumblr. Also, the movie Joker being a scapegoat in the media recently). Something happens, and everyone is quick to blame Marilyn manson's music, D&D, video games, horror movies, etc. What happened to personal responsibility? And also, while creators are out there getting harassed over fiction, who is protecting them? Who is protecting us from harassment just because, I dunno, someone wrote a horror story and another person took it wrong and is offended by it?
Sorry for such a long response. As a creator, I am quite passionate about this as it affects me and those like me. :)
Keep on making amazing videos! Love them ♥
I have seen clear mental illness ignored by teachers and parents before. It is a sad reality that we fear the possibility so much we deny its existence until something happens.
I couldn’t agree with you more! As a mom of four daughters and also being a lover of horror, I have been down the Creepypasta road. I love the stories as do my daughters, difference is... I know what my girls are reading and viewing.
I agree! Mental illness is a real disease like any other. Morgan's parents should have been more pro-active. As for Annisa, I surmise, she, too, suffered from undiagnosed mental illness as well.
@@sj318 Can you please expand? If you are comfortable doing so.
I read creepypasta at 12 and didn't try to murder anybody. It's definitely on parents to check up on their kids and make sure they're well. I don't think I should've been monitored, personally, at least not by my mom, because she would've kept me from learning about anything outside of conservative Christian values, but when your kids are showing signs of mental illness, you should monitor them in general, and take them to a psychiatrist.
When they were asking Peyton to "Go to sleep", I was thinking about Jeff the Killer because that's his stupid catchphrase. And then the girls said they believed Jeff The Killer was real and I wanted to cry.
Anandi Puritipati I didn’t even know that about good ole Jeff!
Stephanie Harlowe *”good ole Jeff”* 😂😂
Gawd right, can't stand that shitty creepypasta might if it was written well but it's not
I just googled Jeff the Killer, and was not prepared for the images. It's 1:30am.
@@gracer503 its bad photoshop xD
I have to say that 911 operator is one of the most helpful I have ever heard. he was really concerned about her wellbeing and didn’t ask 5000 unimportant questions before sending help
911 operators almost always send help right away. Usually the "unimportant questions" are only asked to keep the person on the phone talking to them because they like to keep the person on the phone until the police actually arrive.
Alex totally agree !
@@TheSnyderWeb I have heard operators who decide to ask unrelated questions & missed related questions. They have had a dismissive or disbelieving attitude & generally distress, frustrate or anger the person in the other end of the phone.
There are quite a few cases where a murder calls to report themselves & the operator does not listen to the information they freely give, or interrupt them to ask random questions, which doesn't help & they are already keeping themselves talking! There are other killers who sound eerily calm so the opperator assumes they are lying, often the killer has to repeat that their victim is dead, not breathing, shot through the heart, no pulse etc multiple times. Some ask questions as if they are trying to catch them out, more like an interpolation rather than collecting information. This dismissive attitude often angers killers, there is a difference between being calm compared to sounding bored or disbelieving. If someone is that volatile & violent, further enraging them is just making it more likely they will act out again, considering the next people they see will likely be the emergency services personnel, it is awfully poor & inappropriate conduct.
I am sure there are idiots who make up stories to waste emergency services time but it is better to assume every phone call is genuine & to treat it with the gravity it deserves. The same as I would do with a child abuse complaint.
Slenderman was just an excuse. You can tell during the interview how awkward Annissa is feeling when trying to explain to the detective that she wanted to be a 'proxy'. She KNOWS it sounds like pathetic, weird nonsense now that the rush is gone. Morgan was psychopathic and came up with a grandiose justification just like adult psychopaths do. If creepypasta didn't exist, they'd have blamed Satan, or God, or made up their own fantasy like in the Parker-Hulme case.
Buddy Morgan had schizophrenia. Don't act like you know more than a medical professional.
Morgan was actually diagnosed to be schizophrenic
@@SarahPikacat that doesn’t mean she can’t have psychopathic tendencies themselves.
It’s also INCREDIBLY rare to have childhood schizophrenia. Most professionals won’t even consider it a valid diagnosis until one is an adult-partly because childhood is filled with imagination that would be called hallucinations or delusions in adults.. but its not. Many believe its unethical to diagnosis it in childhood because The child mind LEARNS through this imaginative process, and we may end up treating countless children with very powerful brain-altering drugs while their brain is still growing and we have NO idea what longterm effect that could have. In truth, schizophrenia is a type of early onset neurodegenerative disorder. Brain cells literally die and there’s other structural changes that alter brain functions, and once you hit a certain point, you start showing symptoms. The areas of the brain that are affected determine the nature of their symptoms-auditory or visual hallucinations if that processing part of the brain is affected, language disburbances if that particular area of the brain is affected, etc. In MRI studies and post-mortem examinations, there is reduced gray matter volumes in the medial temporsl, duperior temporal, and prefrontal area. There is noted fluid-filled spaces in the interior of the temporal lobes. There are other changes as well, and we’re still learning about it. I wouldnt be surprised if in the next decade or so it is re-categorized with alzhemiers, parkinsons, and similiar neurodegenerative conditions and not where it currently sits in the Dsm under “schizophrenia spectrum and other psychotic disorders” and reclassified under “neurocognitive disordef” because it IS a neurodegenerative condition, relatevely early onset compared to others. In untreated schizophrenia, the symptomology gets progressively worse and once you hit a certain point appropropriate medication mainly only stops the progression, and may only allow one to recognize that they are having hallucinations.. but it wont stop the hallucinations. Its mainly in the early stages of the disease that you see remission of all hallucinations. Back before antipsychotics, people with schizophrenia eventually turned catontic, if they werent killed first by their inability to do life-sustaining tasks like eating, drinking, not harming themselves. The same ends up happening in untreated bipolar.
The reason i bring that up? We are supposed to believe that her hallucinations started when she was THREE and they continued until the murder. So thats a decade or more that her brain was slowly turning into mush.. and that wouldve had to start when she was an infant. Her interviews, emails, and other writing do not display typical speech and thought patterns that are common in schizophrenia. Granted, documented cases of child onset schizophrenia is pretty sparse, but i have a hard time believing shes a rare example of a schizophrenic that doesnt develop disordered and disorganized thought. I’m not saying she doesnt have some serious mental health-she absolutely does, but i do question the genuinity of her hallucinations as its being presented with us-ie starting when she was 3. I think its more reasonable that she was in the early stages of a psychotic disorder when this attempted and PLANNED murder occured, and instead of the typical conspiracy theory or religious fever (believing one is directed by a god, or is a god, etc), her brain latched on to the idea of slenderman. PLANNED and psychosis DO NOT go together, she still had the rational ability to think, control herself, and plan the event. I truly do not believe she was genuinely into a full blown psychotic state until after her arrest and the stress accelerated her condition. At the time of the attempted murder, she still had a grip on reality, and thus knew what she was doing was wrong.. why else would they discuss trying to cover up their tracks?
Why the hell would they not start medication immediately following diagnosis otherwise when there is a clear family hsitory of schizophrenia? Or are we to believe someone who is described as “floridly psychotic” can be reasoned with by explaining the law and to not be medicated for OVER A YEAR AND A HALF while the courts try to figure out if she competent to stand trial? Nah, they wanted her to look completely incompetent to garner a nicer plea deal.
Or, for all we know, she’s a female psychopath and shes playing the lomg game to not face life in person, and using her family history of schizophrenia to her advantage (or coached to.) Kinda hard to be viewed as crimimally insane if it suddenly stops.
Regardless, It didn’t work well for her though, and she still had to accept a pretty shitty plea deal.
It’s not fair to blame the people who created Slenderman in any capacity. Creators are not responsible for the actions of their fans, unless they are actively condoning or encouraging that behaviour. The parents should have made sure the girls knew the difference between fantasy and reality. Period.
The fact that one of the girls killed her Sims shouldn’t be a red flag either. Almost everyone who plays that game does that at some point. You could make the same claim about other games that enable you to do violence, and yet many scientific studies have shown that *video games do not make people more inclined to violence.* Committing violence in video games does not mean you’re willing to commit violence IRL, even if you’re talking about a game like the Sims which doesn’t revolve around combat and fighting.
I’m also super mad at Peyton’s mom for body shaming her daughter RE: her scars. Having scars is in no way shameful. I personally find them attractive, and I’m sure there are plenty of others who do too. I hate the stigma around them, which Peyton’s mom is perpetuating by trying to make Peyton cover them up. The scars are a testament to Peyton’s badass-ery, tenacity, and strength, and she should be proud of them, IMO.
Agree with you 100%. I can't stand the narrative that games make you violent. I've played games for 20 odd years and I don't have a violent bone in my body. Violent people who HAPPEN to play video games probably have trouble distinguishing between rational/irrational emotions and outlets to begin with.
Choccy I’ve been playing games for about as long as well (started in earnest with Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic in high school). I’ve played or previously owned every iteration of The Sims (and yes… I do occasionally try to kill one or two of mine), but my favourite franchises are all of the ‘violent’ sort. Mass Effect, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Fallout, Assassin’s Creed (Origins especially, but that’s in part because I love ancient Egypt), and I could go on. Yet the only time I find it acceptable to commit violence IRL is in self-defence or defence of others, and I’m vehemently anti-Death Penalty.
I don’t know if it’s the same for you, but violent video games act as a form of catharsis for me. A way to vent out my frustrations and agitation in a harmless way (though I have other means of doing so too, of course). But I also play almost exclusively story- and character-driven games, so that isn’t even the primary draw… I game to tell and be told stories. I think some people assume that violence is the only *goal* in video games that feature combat, but… that’s not always the case. Most of the video game trailers I see, the game being advertised has a story to tell, and telling that story is the goal. Not running around killing everything that moves.
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For a second, I thought you meant self harm scars and I was like....uhm no. I don’t know why like I thought you were talking about one of troubled girls. Anyways, I totally agree with you 100%
@@WhatssupAlly yeah I was concerned until I realized they didnt mean it like that
Oh man! I vividly remember when this happened and was completely heartbroken for this poor girl and her family but I’m so happy she made it through
You're gorgeous wow.
NeickhaSuPRA thanks babe! So are you!! I just creeped on your channel. And holy talent!! Definitely going to go back and subscribe!
NeickhaSuPRA ok but the vivid eye shows you use are amazing! I followed you both, I need more videos to watch. 😘
VanSquad I love the 100 cupcakes! So cute
That sims thing isn’t too weird as everyone eventually tries to kill their sims
I agree. There are whole games online games of Happy wheels
IKR we all killed our sims.
313eve wait is this a thing??? Why did we all try to kill our sims??? I loved trapping them in a room with a stove. what’s wrong with us 😂
Ann Cee it’s just proof that no matter how peaceful and kind a person is they will always become a cruel and spiteful god if they were given that kind of power
I didn't, lol. It would've felt too mean
I believed in slender man too and me and my cousin would go around his house hunting it and try to kill it. I watched the realistic videos which scared me but I never invited my friend over and tried to sacrifice them to slender man. It’s not the creators fault. It’s the children. They did this. They thought this out and did this. It wasnt the creators sacrificing this girl to slender man. It was the the two kids she trusted. The kids should have known from right to wrong as to killing people is probably the most wrong you could do.
As a horror writer who has her own website, I expect kids to scream to mommy and daddy because they got scared by a creepy picture and everyone to rage about it. Talk to your kids, don't let the Internet be the babysitter. Don't blame teenagers (Creepypasta is written by teens for teens and it gets passed from older siblings to younger ones who spread it around the playground) for making internet campfire stories for mentally disturbed children attacking other children. If it wasn't Slenderman, it would have been Voldemort.
You are the best researcher in the true crime community
313eve thank you so much!!!
313eve Absolutely agree🙋🏼♀️
True 💚💚💚
One piece of this puzzle that is often missed is that Morgan Geyser's schizophenia manifested at age 5 as a tall, slender boogyman type character she called "It." When Anissa showed her Slenderman, she became convinced not only that he was real, but that he had already tormented her.
That's really sad.
Wow. Interesting. And sad
And … when Anissa introduced Morgan to the Slenderman character, their combined issues escalated into folie à deux, perhaps ?
Exactly. I truly believe she's schizophrenic after watching her interrogation. Was she formally diagnosed?
@@hollywoodjaded That's exactly what happened.
the “go to sleep” is a catch phrase of jeff the killer, i wouldn’t be shocked if they were quoting him
Thank you! I didn’t know that… Makes more sense now! 🙂
Makes me mad that Peyton’s mom alluded to the fact her daughters scars should be hidden or something that’s grotesque. Idk it makes me upset, the mom should be the last person to think that, she should encourage her daughter to go for the homecoming dress that Peyton loves, despite it showing the scars, because it’s nothing that’s dirty or needs to be hidden.
She is the one that probably wants to hide them, not her mother. I have scars I am ashamed of being seen, even if people encourage me. They are reminders of pain, and when people notice them and ask or stare, the pain resurfaces.
Sugoihime dude I’m so sorry that sucks :// that’s so rude people ask you that, it’s none of their business. Do what makes you feel comfortable :)
I thought so too at first. But I really think it might be because it’s traumatic to have them visible since it’s a reminder of what happened.
Peytons mum is putting her child's emotional health first, she says how it is a constant painful reminder, so of course she is going to want to cover them up. Why do you assume Peyton's mum is making the decision rather than the mum respecting Peyton's wishes?
My friend has a large surgery scar & although it saved his life, from a purely asthetic stand point he would rather not have it. He is a grown man, it would not be surprising if a teenage girl didn't want their body permanently damaged & changed in appearance either. When swimming people will often ask my friend what happened? Some people try to make it light-hearted by asking if it was shark attack, think how awful it would be to answer that it was when your two best friends tried to stab you to death! That isn't something a stranger would know how to handle & Peyton likely doesn't want to have to reveal this information to strangers; especially as it is still raw. She may be having fun being distracted & absorbed in building a sandcastle at the beech, then sees her scars, or someone asks, which makes her relive her trauma & ruins the moment; wanting to avoid that is perfectly understand able & reasonable.
I have self harm scars & my mum encouraged me to not cover them up but I didn't want to have them on show until I was recovered enough to feel more comfortable & distanced from my past pain. Personally others people's reactions is the worst part, assumptions & people treating me poorly is a surprisingly common response. I was a teenager when this first happened, Peyton's mum probably has enough life experience to be aware of how judgemental & intrusive other people can be & how that negatively affects an individual, including the daughter she knows & loves.
Peyton's mum is trying to protect her daughter & is standing up for her, she is not doing anything wrong & I assume she is talking on behalf of her daughter, not talking over her. Peyton & possibly the family had therapy after the event, I am sure the therapist will have discussed how she feels about her scars & they encouraged Peyton to lead all decisions, including how she dresses & looks. Peyton has been betrayed & taken advantage of in one of the worst ways possible, it is insulting to assume the mother would take advantage of her, rather than support Peyton's wishes in every way possible.
(I am sorry if you did not have a supportive parent or if they were too controlling & if so I hope you are able to overcome their affects on your life.)
You have no evidence that the mother thinks that. This was a statement read for the court case. A court case against the people who attacked her daughter. Saying everything she can to put the girls away that almost killed her daughter is in her and her daughters interest. Mentioning the difficulty that the scars cause is exactly what the mother should do.
A court of law is not a conversation with a friend. Think.
Bless that man who found her and bless the 911 operator who also reminded calm and asked the correct questions
Stephanie, I'm sick and feel like crap, but when I saw this notification my mood went through the roof. Thank you. This case aggravated me so much and scared me too.
I hope you feel better, Iris! I am also a bit under the weather, anytime I travel I'm sick for about a week after!
Feel better! 🖤
Awe! I hope you feel better very soon!
Same here!!! Been stuck in bed for days :( so happy to have more content to keep my mind occupied though
get well soon!
The way I see it, they were fated to attack someone in a violent manner, or at least Morgan was. Slenderman was just an excuse.
*Casually adds door back into my sims cag- I mean house, definitely a house*
Haha
Okay I wasn't ready for that one and nearly spilled my tea lol
Lol, killing your sims was a past time. Alot of Simmers do it. To tell the truth though I freak out when my Sims catch on fire! Lol, I'm like the sims who see the other sims on fire. I'm freaking out , screaming and hyperventilating...I always forget how to put the fire out. 😂😂😂
🤣
If you didn’t lock your sims in a house or drown them in a pool, were you really playing the Sims?
Parents need to really to monitor their children better. Online and offline.
It especially sucks we can't even remotely trust things like RUclips kids. Either.
I think the issue is disconnection, parents should be spending quality time with their children and be attentive. As a 12 year old, if my mum had tried to monitor me, I'd have pulled away even more.
Aunt Tonya at 11 and 12 I loved creepypasta, but I knew it was fake and while my friends and I created “proxies” to use as a game (we basically just drew and made up our own stories) but we never went out to hurt anyone. I feel like to some degree that they used the genre as a defense
@@sixfeetundertheradar6080 definitely, if anything args and LARPing serve as further evidence of something being fantasy and not reality. Your creating a did line of this is where we pretend it's real (example, /no sleep) and this is where it's just fantasy. Kids start to differentiate fantasy/reality around 10 yrs old, that's when santa kind of goes out the window. It seemed like they wanted this to get true because they knew it wasn't and when it sell apart it became their defense as well.
Jessie Brader like Morgan with her schizophrenia might have but Alissa def didn’t or worked very hard to convince herself to
I feel like it isn't the creators responsibility to consider that people unintended to watch will go to extremes. It's those in charge of those to monitor. The same could be applied to movies and books. How many paranormal movies and TV shows have there been where it is "based on true events" we can't blame entertainment for murderers. If it wasn't one thing that triggered it it would be another.
The creator didn't know a young girl with schizophrenia would be enveloped in slenderman and that spooky world.
Who would be more likely to be involved? Mental health matters.
This is kind of a weird thing to say but I really love how to maintain eye contact, lots of people who are telling a story often look around as they talk, but you keep eye contact and it really sets the tone for seriousness
Oh thank you!! I appreciate that!
Honestly to survive something like that and still decide to go on and do well is a massive F U to her evil violent and backstabbing ‘friends’. I hope she does even more amazingly throughout the rest of her life because how amazingly strong she was to live through this as a child.
"FaceTime Jesus" sounds kinda like a punk or post-punk band name 😆
The Eerie Faerie I’d go to that concert 😂
I would spell it face timejesus. That way he sounds like a cyborg from the future♡
Thats my 3rd wave ska band's name
Sounds like a lame Christian parody version of ‘Cat Scratch Fever’.
Post punk jesus and the face times
Creepy pastas are the internet's version of campfire stories. Most people know this.
Exactly! When you tell a ghost story to your friends you dont explain that everything is fake, that defeats the purpose of telling a ghost story.
Young impressionable children don’t.....
@@jennk7987 your right.... or children suffering from extreme schizophrenia, or mental illness in general
@@jennk7987 yea but it’s not the persons fault who created the story. It’s the parents for not paying enough attention to what their kids do online.
@@BubbleBunnyy exactly......
You’re killing it Harlowe!
Thank you, love!
It's a 911 call.. What else do people expect??
"Oh hey! Um.. Yeah there's a girl that's been stabbed she's got this cute top on omg haha but yeah come get her."
Medusa this one happened to be a remarkably calm 911 call... that was pretty impressive. Bless that guy for staying so cool and making sure help could find her. The Britteney Murphy call was hard to listen to, of course, but I don’t blame Steph at all for choosing to play it. It was relevant to the overall discussion, as regards theories about Murphy’s mother and husband
This comment! 🤣🤣🤣
Pressed Between the Pages I know a lot of people thought the operator in the Britney video was condescending/rude. Personally the most infuriating thing in that video was the mother and husbands inability to follow direction 🤷🏻♀️
That operator was literally trying to get her to just focus on him, stop thinking just follow direction, but she couldn’t so he had to keep forcefully repeating the instructions. I think they were both so drugged out they couldn’t follow the operator.
As a member of the Creepypasta community, this news hit me hard. That a group of creative people made something that hurt others.
I think as a community we still feel that.
Also, love your videos
Maybe I didn't understand you properly. Are you implying the creator of Slenderman indirectly hurt someone through their creation? Because I don't agree with that at all.
Lara Gallahue at 21 I still enjoy creepy pasta, I’ve watched it since I was 11 or 12 so it’s nostalgic to me. Even as young as I was I knew it was all stories, I think the girls knew it was fake to and used this as an excuse... at least to some degree.
Ssilnah Yes but it doesn’t erase that art doesn’t live in a bubble. We creators need to be responsible as well.
Wear your scars with pride Peyton! You are a strong badass girl, be proud of what you've overcome and continue to work through.
Man, I don’t know how that poor girl could ever trust anyone to be a friend again. What a nightmare.
Keep strong Peyton!
Farmhouse Felts Just like I tell my best friend who ended up being beaten repeatedly after 2 years of marriage to her seemingly prince charming husband, most people are not bad people. It’s extremely unlikely that the next man you marry will end up turning another violent psychopath, it’s also extremely unlikely that any other friend will ever attack her. We have to remind victims of violence often that most people are actually good people that would never hurt others. I think it helps my friend when I put things into that perspective for her.
@@nataliealvarez1021 most pwople are fucking insane.
Im a foster care/child welfare survivor/victim. Trust me I KNOW.
“I stabbed her, okay? But I didn’t lie to her. I have standards.” OMG, Stephanie. You were BORN to do this! ❤️
I really hope Payton has learned how to love herself and her body even with the scars. She is a gorgeous girl and does not deserve to feel ugly because of what those girls did to her. She somehow survived despite the fact she was so close to death, she is meant to be here, she is worthy of an amazing and fulfilling life. She is a beautiful soul and she is so strong!
So sad and terrible absolutely Payton deserves all the best and all the best love and l surely hopes she will realize how beautiful she is despite this too bless her brave heart and what a fighter and it for sure was obviously not her time. I remember hearing about this and glad Payton survived it will be hard for her just so heartbreaking. Those girls are freaking psychopaths l hope they needed to be punished. My mom had a good friend who had schizophrenia and she never killed anyone and was a really good friend. So nice try. Payton is a true warrior
@@leedent7260 yep so disturbing
She gave an interview recently saying she barely even thinks of them. I was glad to hear that
@@taylordenniston1878 can u send me the link of the interview ? I really wanna watch🥺
@@jinwoo2038 if you type slenderman into the search bar the video with the interview comes up
It can’t possibly be a writers, artists, etc responsibility if someone develops some kind of unhealthy obsession with their creative works. That’s just ridiculous. I watched tons of horror movies as a kid and I never thought they were real, much less went on to murder someone because of them. 12 year olds may be impressionable and get lost in fantasies, but they’re not stupid and undoubtedly know murdering someone is wrong - and even if they don’t, it’s not the writers fault.
Omg im laughing so much when the post notification come through i thought “why is stephanie doing a video called spiderman made me do it “ 😂😂😂😂😂 my bad read it wrong
Spiderman is also known for being a bad influence... lol
Lol that darn Spider-Man!
Very true! Could be your next video perhaps? Love from england! 🥰
Tell me why I also read the same thing 😩😂
Spiderman (Miles Morales) made me do it (really cool graffiti in a train tunnel). 😂
"She has two different sock which is such a 12 year old thing to do"
30 year old me looks down at my mismatched socks: 'kay 😢
silja lin LOL wore two diffrent one's today 😄😄😄😎👍
These two girls remind me of the Anne Perry duo.
_Folie a deux_ is a weird phenomenon. Usually, neither would do, say, or believe these things, but together they sustain each other and create a shared reality.
I remember when this happened, and I just kept thinking how strong that girl was. She deserves all the recognition for making it through that
alyssa.does.life yayyy Peyton!
Just watching this video after discovering you about a month ago, Stephanie. I love your delivery of facts and the way you set up the stories. Thank you for the work you do!
The man who called 911 and the 911 operator did an AMAZING job at staying calm, getting help to her, and relaying information. Just incredible.
Oh what a beautiful morning! Got my long sleeve "Dont come for me" Tee on, its a crisp fall morning, and an upload from the incomparable Stephanie Harlowe!!!
I'm wearing my Harloween sweatshirt today!
I really enjoyed this comment, you have such a way with words.
“She went around the playground barking” Why an I not suprised
I'm surprised she wasn't horse girl
barking mad...
My hubby's niece would hide under her desk while class was in session, and she'd bark and snarl if anyone tried to join her under there. It started in the first grade.
Fun times.
My sisters used to pretend like they were dogs nonstop when they were little. One of them got suspended because she bit another student when she was in first grade. Another time they chained themselves to a tree in the backyard and were barking at cars going by. We had a few people stop and ask why the kids were chained to the tree 😂
Right? Lets not forget that these girls are past the pretending to be a cat or dog phase. At least, normally
when you said locking sims in their house and killing them off was morbid, i felt that lol
Blaming a creepypasta author for the actions of one of their readers is just as ridiculous as the people’s so-called logic who blamed Marilyn Manson. For the Columbine school shooting tragedy, or John Daniel McCollum’s parents suing Ozzy Osborne and Black Sabbath and alleging that the song “suicide solution” was a supposed proximate cause in their son’s suicide, or elyse pahlers parents blaming Slayer for her death. While a depressed person listening to slow sad music is probably not the best way to deal w depression, that is their choice and is not the musicians responsibility. I’ve listened to sad music during deep depression which got worse after my fiancé died - he woke up one day not feeling well, he thought it was just his ulcer which bothered him from time to time. He refused to go to the Dr and he didn’t have great insurance at the time. a few hours later he threw up blood and was cyanotic - cold to the touch so I immediately called an ambulance despite his protests and he died in the ambulance. He had a pulmonary embolism a blood clot in his lung. He hadn’t been getting enough air and went into cardiac arrest. He was 29 years old.- and I heard sad music that was composed after the artist lost someone they loved and it helped me because I felt that I wasn’t so alone that someone else felt even a tiny bit of what I was feeling and they survived it. So it can sometimes even help but it’s not always the greatest idea to listen to sad music if you’re just wallowing in it.). Hell the Beatles were even brought to court over a ridiculous case like that if I remember correctly. Come on Stephanie. Be reasonable. Artists should not be expected to self censor. It is the parents job to guide their children and pay attention to what content their children are consuming, clearly. I know you are a mom and it’s personal when, as you said yourself, you have a 8 year old, but it’s just not logical. This is the kind of thinking that contributes to/ is responsible for injustices like the West Memphis 3. When we look at someone else and judge them by their style or taste in music, we miss the person underneath. How would you feel, steph if people assumed you were evil or morbid or a murderer or whatever just because you have an interest in true crime and talk about it on your channel? You asked what did the author expect to happen? Well, they probably expected people to read and enjoy their story and maybe get scared. The author didn’t even know their story would become as popular as it did. Im sure they didn’t expect or intend for anyone to go out and stab somebody after reading it. We are naturally curious about death and the darker side of life and that’s fine. There’s nothing wrong with not ignoring that side of life too particularly if you balance it out, but that is up to every adult. Children may not be ready to deal with darker themes and that is where the parents come in and help to moderate what they watch and teach them self control and self moderation. If anyone should practice self censorship it should be each adult who consumes content if they know it may be too dark for them... however people (adults) don’t always know or may have a condition that makes it hard for them to judge. As someone who creates music etc myself, this I admit is also personal to me, because I have directly experienced it from when I was younger in a punk band that explored dark themes to my art since then not being displayed everywhere that they usually display it after winning these awards, after I won the same award, sorry awkward phrasing, etc , ( and I get that some of my darker art isn’t for everyone) so I’m biased too....but let’s use logic here, okay? Thanks.
My significant other is depressed and listens to dance music. It drives me INSANE.
I feel bad that you wrote this long story, but at no time did Stephanie blame anyone for this. Clearly you were listening for something that wasn't even there.
I don’t think this was blame I think she was pointing out that it’s absolutely not a real .. thing? (Idk what to call it) cause there’s a creator. There’s a origin from a contest. A person created this. He’s not real. I don’t think she was necessarily blaming him so much as saying these idiots didn’t do the research that could have prevented their dumb actions. To be honest I think they would have just found another thing to latch on but.. they’re fucking idiots. Kids or not I’ve been obsessed with creepy crap since I was 2 and haven’t purposely killed anything ever.
I found that your post is very responable, well defined and accurate.
Just so you know, long comments like this go straight to the spam folder for the creator and are usually never seen by them.
Sperg on.
"She didn't really have any friends at school." Well she tried to kill 50% of the friends that we know that she had ssssoooo.
** I have to kill a friend... don’t worry, it’s not you... (how to win friends and influence people)
@@StephanieHarlowe "oh thank you I'm so grateful it's not me" lol
This made me laugh way too hard I’m sorry 😂
I could be wrong but I just kept getting the vibe that your blaming the internet and creators of horror fiction for this. It’s not the internets job to tell a child what to and what not to watch or read, it’s the parents.
And paytons patents knew morgan was strange and that payton had been bullied and wasnt happy around them anymore.
@@HumanimalChannel true
I didnt get that Stephanie was blaming internet. Just was saying BE AWARE of what your kids are looking at ....be in tune.
@@kimelliott7262 That’s what I got as well....
@@HumanimalChannel are you seriously blaming Payton's parents?
This reminds me of the Juliet and Pauline case. Delusional young girls feeding off of each other.
Edit: lol Just got to where you said the same thing. Great minds and whatnot. 😂
Jessica Mayberry it’s crazy how similar they are!!
My thoughts exactly! Modern era "heavenly creatures" - less poetic, but with creepypasta
I thought the same thing, to be honest.
Traveling Lion Heavenly Creepsters? Lol
Omg, I, too thought the very same thing.
So I was born and raised in Waukesha and still live here currently. This horrible attack shook this whole community to its core. I work literally a block from where this happened. Her mothers letter literally makes me ball 💔
911 calls give a lot of insight into the situation. I'm glad you include them x
I agree. It's literally just a part of the story.
Yes exactly!!!
when you ask "what did you expect to happen" when someone makes a story and puts it online..Do you ask the same question to anyone who creates a story and publishes it? do you then also blame a story creator fort a few people who took their stories to try and convince other people that they were real? Anyone who knows the internet well and the communities that exist within it.. knows that Creepy Pastas are nothing more than current time campfire stories. These kinds of stories are as old as humans existence on the earth i think.. You can't push any kind of blame on people who create these kinds of stories.. just like you cant really push blame on any one who writes novels in the horror genre. Sorry as an artistic type this section of your video kind of rubbed me in an awkward way. No one should be blamed for someone else not being able to tell the difference between fiction and fact.. People on the internet twist truths on anything and everything these days..
I thought she was just talking about the communities trying to pass Slenderman as a real thing, and erroneously lumped in the creator of the story.
I might be wrong though, and in that case I agree she shouldn't blame the author for other people's actions
she's not blaming the creator, she's pointing out that acting like these things are real all the time makes it hard for people with poor reality checking skills to figure out what's real and fake.
Y'all leave our spooky mom alone! If she wants to talk about her sponsor for 7 minutes, she can. She gives us the best content on RUclips. Periodt
Holly Golightly 513 seriously. ill listen to steph read the damn phone book, i don’t care
@@kats3969 she gives us over hour long content, 7 minutes is nothing 😂
Holly Golightly 513 spooky mom!!!! 😂😂😂
Haha spooky mom! Love it
My mother use to get so upset with me for reading Stephen King and/or horror novels starting when I was 12 - saying they were a bad influence on me and could lead me to do horrible things.
It never happened. Let's not blame creators
Lesson learned: if your child doesn’t get upset after watching bambi, put them in therapy immediately.
Or try "Cannibal Holocaust "
My daughter cried when the Ant in “Honey I Shrunk the Kids” died, 😭 it was so sweet
@@ecasey91 I cried at that part too when I was little!!! Any time any animal dies I bawl!!! Ole' Yeller about killed me!! 😭😭😭🙈
@@mackhomie6 what is Cannibal Holocaust?
Doesn't mean any thing Fred west upset by Bambi but killed and raped his own kids
I remember when this happened... that little girl is such a survivor. To make it through something as horrible as this is so amazing. Shes truly an inspiration ♡
“He has no face!! And wears a black suit ALL THE TIME!!”
You’re so cute.
Never trust a guy who wears a black suit every day
but if he has no face and a brown pin striped suit he's ok
@@StephanieHarlowe lol why not? XD
@@StephanieHarlowe im scared of ReviewBrah now
I absolutely love how you add in lots of pics and the 911 calls! And I'm so glad that sweet girl survived. The age, even how she looks reminds me so much of my baby sister.
I don't believe in God or miracles, but when I hear that the knife missed her heart by one millimeter, even I have to at least wonder if something wasn't looking out for her.
Truly a miracle. She's a strong and lucky little girl
I had the same thought, as an atheist
You gotta remember that there are kids just as sweet as her who had the opposite happen.
I had the same thought when Greg went down a closed bike path. Something was telling him to for a reason !
There are odds for everything in life. Our human minds just take closer note of odd things and sometimes attach a supernatural meaning behind them even though we so often see the opposite.
If we just barely miss hitting an oncoming car, we're so grateful that sometimes we think there must be "a reason" we swerved. In reality, if we think it through, it is more common to ride safely in a car although people die every day in car accidents.
Her organs being nearly fatally wounded is not a miracle. A miracle would be something truly supernatural like instead of getting stabbed, her body grew armor and the knife was not able to penetrate her body.
Those of us who have listened to lots of true crime know that unfortunately, this ending is rare.
"When you put something on the internet it's accessible to everyone" - true, but I believe it's much more the responsibility of the parents to pay attention to what their children are watching than the one of the people behind these creations. Sometimes adults want to see scary, violent or sexual things and half of the internet wouldn't exist if everything was censored due to the fact that some kid could have access to it. Sure, websites (much like TV channels) with content inappropriate for kids should definitely have warnings, but again - it's the parents' responsibility to make sure their children won't access these things, or to explain why they aren't real. And I also have some criticism regarding the girls' parents. Morgan's own mother said that from a young age she noticed her daughter lacked empathy. Why didn't she do anything? Well, I guess because when it's your child you're blind to those things, trying to convince yourself your child is "normal". Who knows, maybe if she would have been diagnosed sooner Payton wouldn't have to live with the scars and trauma, and maybe Morgan herself could have had a better life, managing her illness.
But yes, a shout out to Payton who was so brave. I hope she gets a lot of support from her friends and family and will sometime manage to regain some trust in people.
I think anyone who's ever played the Sims has done a thing or two not unlike what Morgan said she was going to do. I mean there's a reason why Sims no longer need a ladder to get out of a pool 😒
Can still drown them in the pool though. :)
@@Divergentreble Just build a fence around the pool.
Erm noooo, I don't recall doing this 🤔
@@carmen-kdippenaar9563 Then what are you doing???
F E N C E
My son is the same age and when this case broke, he was astounded that those girls could believe that Slenderman was real. I asked him what he knew about the Slenderman story and he explained what creepypastas were and that they were like the urban legends I had heard when I was his age (ie: the hooked arm lover’s lane killer). I had watched his internet usage pretty closely at home and he said they just passed them around at school on their cell phones at lunch. It was the first time I realized that I couldn’t be every where with him and that he was now navigating things on his own. We talked for a long time that day and he kept saying mom, no one in their right mind thinks those things are real! Those girls were messed up if they did. He is now 18 and a very well adjusted young man. I feel so sorry for Payton and am in awe of her strength! As a woman with scars from surgeries, I hope she can one day look at them with pride that they are proof that she survived!
Bless that man who found her. It was really quite but I think he offered her shade and it was so simple and kind
Great video. Sometimes I look at the title and think “no, I already heard about this” ...then when I finally do watch...I get hooked...you tell a great story...you keep it so interesting and you don’t just READ us a story. Bravo girl. Love you.
Lady James love you back! Thank you so much!
Same!
Who here has killed their Sims?
🤚🏽
Yeah that’s just how you play the Sims 🤷🏻♀️😂
literally everyone 😂
I have, I would even make rides purposely crash in roller coaster tycoon.
Tonia Bartlett
me and my sisters created a cemetery in our back garden out of killing many NPC Sims on Sims 2 and Bustin Out.
My favourite way was making them swim in a pool and then surrounding the pool by a bunch of toilets
every time i watch or read things about this story my heart breaks. payton didn’t deserve to go through that. i can’t even begin to imagine how much fear she felt the day of the attack and after. i’m so glad she survived. i’m so proud of her for managing to stay alive. i really hope she’s doing okay right now. i hope it’s getting a bit easier day by day.
This happened right in my area and was SO messed up. Glad you are covering. The fact that these two will one day be out of custody terrifies me.
WayraRose I’m from the area too!
@@ZiggyStardust13 Fellow Wisconsinite! I wish we met under different circumstances. This was such an insane case, wasn't it?
WayraRose yes it really really was!!! Shook me for a long time I remember
Stephanie: they starved their sims to death and lit the house on fire
Me: 👀👀
Rainali *closes out of my sims game where my sim has six ppl locked in his basement as art slaves*
Same tho I’d purposefully make the houses haunted
props to the detective for keeping a straight face during the interrogation when she had to ask all those questions about slenderman
Seriously! I would have knots my shit on them!
For Real!
Fck
I love when you include the 911 calls within your videos since they really do provide more insight on the situation and what is happening within some of the biggest moments of a case.