"We really need to bring the samples back to Earth so we can analyze them" You're gonna deny the astronauts the cookies so that you can eat them yourselves.... 😂
@@antongalazyuk3117 The best system is no system. The best part is no part. If heating it in a specific way is simpler than using fans and still works then it makes sense.
Yes, it was an edge of the seat almost yelling at the screen thing until Tim asked. But... while I get the whole "The best part is no part" thing, I can't help feeling that anything larger than a cookie - like large enough to be a meal - is going to require re-evaluation of the fan-forced approach. A static, radiant heat induced, hot pocket of air in thermal equilibrium with itself and large enough for a roast strikes me as being a far more complex endeavour than moving a mass of air at a constant high temperature - despite the safety concerns.
They did an extremely complex design just to avoid putting a fan when...well, they are just extremely cheap and simple. Efficiency cannot be used as an argument since the inefficiencies of the fan itself turn into heat (which is what you need to heat). Rpm limit isn't valid either. Fans in ovens turn pretty slowly; plus they have many fans in the ISS (each laptop for example has one) so one additional one won't do any harm. Moving parts are bad... well, yes the less moving parts the better...but honestly...simple is beautiful. Fans are pretty reliable. My conclusion: they expent (probably) millions in overcomplicating something that works perfectly like it currently is, and they are bragging about it...
I look forward to him being the first five star chef at the first five star hotel in orbit. Give him a little artificial (spin) gravity and I'll be he could put on a show!
I understand Doubletree's desire to get the science down pat but from someone who had to eat MREs 3 times a day for weeks on end, the smell of fresh baked cookies and having to handle them would be to much and getting a bag of old cookies is just wrong.
This channel has grown on me the past few months. At first, I was just the occasional lurker of random uploads but lately I've been watching all the videos coming out. Great interviews, explanations, and diagrams. I look forward to the next video!!
Fans that take oven temperatures are common. Have one in my kitchen, it’s called a fan oven! Seems a really expensive and complex way to make what could have been a standard fan oven.
When making something for space, remember to KISS. If static coils are easier to simulate and have no moving parts and very simple controllers, use them.
Chocolate Rocket but the system they have designed is the most complex, lots of heating coils, lots of inefficiencies in moving the heat via radiation and conduction in air.
@@gaming_henry Adding a fan for convection wouldn't remove the need for heating coils. The complexity would go up. Though, an oven that could bake more than cookies would probably require a way to generate convection
"The radiation tapers off with distance as r^2 I think？ One over r^2 or something. I have to look the formula up again, don't quote me on the video on that." -- Smart person with a zero g oven 2019 Square inverse law, he got it right! I think Don't quote me on that
@@ErikBongers don't forget that he doesn't have a degree or something like that, and is originally just a photographer, so even though he probably picked it up along the way, he doesn't necessarily need to know it
Tim, thanks so much for all of the outstanding videos! I stumbled across one of your videos randomly a couple months ago and your enthusiasm and eagerness to learn has been so inspiring and sparked some space interest in me; everything is so fascinating! I love that your videos are from the perspective of the viewers and that you explain things in such great detail so that even if your viewers have little to no previous space knowledge they can learn the things that you learn from talking with so many talented individuals. Keep up the phenomenal work! Thank you so much for bringing space down to earth!
Tim is one of the very few i actually activate the "bell" icon ting on, alltough every youtuber cries for it, Tim actually deserve it and I actually want a notification when he releases a video. Great work Tim as always!
21:06 - “We do need the samples back so we can test them.” So, you’re going to make them cook the cookies but not eat them, &, instead of allowing them to taste the cookies & quickly modify the next “test bake” according to their “taste test”, you’re going to have them send cookies down every 4-6 months & test them down here. So, instead of letting them do the process in 1-2 weeks, you’re going to do it in 2-3 years. Brilliant!😱🤦🏼♂️🤭
If tasting will happen, which to me seems unlikely at first, you run the risk of illness because of untested correct conditions to bake. Earth has better treatment facilities for this. This test is to see if the cookies get baked in the environment and what oven settings or time needs to be changed to get better results, some of the cookies might and most likely will be inedible with the first few tries.
@@chrisanderson46302 - Fully cooked is fully cooked whether in LEO or the asteroid belt or on the moon or Mars. If it’s not fully cooked, they’d know that fairly quickly with a few simple tests they can do even in microgravity. While people can get sick from uncooked cookie dough or undercooked cookies, they don’t get sick from fully cooked cookies unless they’re allergic to the ingredients. That can be dealt with by making sure no one is up there who’s allergic to the ingredients in the cookies.
@@slipknottin basically yeah. NASA are neat freaks about energy, it's one of the most important resources on a space station. Plus, many nasa craft have failed due to losing power, so they are justified in making all electrical stuff top grade
You don't have to vent the hot air out. You just have to recirculate it. Also, make the fan out of ceramics. Could also use a moving baffle system like a folding fan waving back and forth which would eliminate a spinning motor in place of a piston.
Thanks, Tim, that was awesome! You were reading my mind in the future (telepathic time travel?!) when you asked about adding a fan for moving the air around. I was mentally screaming: "Why don't they just add a small fan?!!!" I think their answers were a bit flakey (pie or pi, next?) because the fan would not be exhausting hot air into the ISS, nor would it have to be fast or noisy. A small metal or high-temp plastic fan at the back of the oven would do it. It should be behind a screen, on a motor shaft through a simple seal, so the motor can be outside the oven where it's cool. For my trip to Mars, I want an air fryer!
can't wait to see someone cheeky and redirected the US's ventilation system to the Russian side next thing you know Russians are going to accuse US of sabotage via cookies
Would cost nearly pennies and massive mountain of data available on convection fans that overcome crappy oven technology with impressive reliability is available planet wide . Data is data But wasting mega money and the tax write off , lol . Oh my , how hilarious.
@@texasdeeslinglead2401/videos I think besides the stated efficiency & safety concerns, the massive amount of data on convection ovens pushed them towards something you can't do on earth. So now we not only are we learning how an oven functions in microgravity, but we have data about how heat is exchanged in an almost convection-free environment.
I didn't even question you beeing in space in the beginning nor why you're not floating. I was just like 'yeah cool you're in space what's next?' My critical thinking skills on full overdrive right there
Tim, I really enjoy the enthusiasm and joy you share about the space program. You are a wonderful ambassador of the future. I hope you know that you are helping people see a future in space. Well done sir.
I was pleased Tim brought up the idea of using a fan. The fan impeller can be located in the heating chamber with the fan motor outside away from the heat. If motor rotation is an issue, use a contra-rotating weight to cancel out the gyroscopic effect of the motor/impeller rotation. Still, everything points to establishing artificial gravity for health reasons anytime there is prolonged exposure to zero g.
*I have decided to post humanities first ever cookbook. Add your own recipes if you wish;* - Tape a steak to the inside of a rocket bell and take a casual drive. Just don't use anything too cancer inducing as fuel and you should be slightly less likely to die if it doesn't instantly explode anyway. - Take the heat that would otherwise go straight into the radiators and pipe that directly into a sheet of something really conductive for a space pizza oven. You might need to sandwich the pizza between the sheets. Maybe build a vice mechanism for that or something, just don't tighten it too much or you'll just make a fuckin mess. - To freeze your food, just tie one end to the inner airlock door, the other to the food and open the airlock. Frozen solid and hideously radioactive. A Chernobyl classic. - To make an instant smoothie, lob your fruit down the hallway as hard as possible and spoon it off the wall. - Sadly up-side-down cakes are impossible if there is no up or down. - Do not attempt to use ketchup in space. It's not really a danger to life, it's just really fuckin gross and a waste of cargo space.
Awesome vid Tim! As a space geek, AND having a degree in Culinary Arts, I love the topic of Food in Space! If anyone is interested in starting a company to research, develop, and eventually DO food in space settings, I AM VERY INTERESTED!!!!
Microwaves would have the interference pattern issue, which would cause uneven pockets of extreme power and no power. Infrared heaters would be ideal, but since they are relying on black body radiation, a significant portion of the element radiation is already infrared. I'm not certain about this, but the majority of the heat absorbed by the air will be wavelengths in the visible spectrum, but won't be very significant with the distances involved. Part of the design requirements for this oven is reliability, and heated wires are probably much easier to operate reliably than an IR emitter.
Bolts cost more for planes because if a bolt on a plane fails, the the cabin rapidly depressurizes, but a bolt on a train is under an order of magnitude less stress, and has less at stake if it fails.
I worked in the Space Shuttle/EMU industry for 32 years prior to going into the aviation side of the business. I worked with NASA at the White Sands Missle Test Range where they have a laboratory specializing in the analysis of potentially hazardous materials, components, and systems which include Flammability and Oxygen testing in a micro-gravity environment. Here on the ground where we experience 1g heated air is has less mass than colder air and that is why a candle flame is shaped the way it is. The hot air heated by the candle's combustion rises upward above the cooler denser air (like a hot-air balloon) drawing cooler air from beneath the flame of the candle. The warmed rising air streamlines the flame of the burning candle to a tear-drop shape. Well, in the micro-gravity of earth orbit the flame is round or flattened as there is little influence of rising hot air. This means heat convection is almost non-existing. Warmer air/fluids will not flow as they do here in 1g. That is why here on the ground, non-convection ovens the hotter part of the oven is the top rack. Convection Ovens have a fan and try to mix that hot air rising with cooler air to even out the temperature for more even baking temperatures. A convection oven would be best if the oven has counter-rotating fans to offset any moment produced by a rotating structure. But I have to imagine that a small oven fan would not be that much influence compared to other forces the crew imparts on the Station. And for that reason along with other atmospheric forces, NASA has to perform orbital correction maneuvers. Now even more interesting is heat radiation in the vacuum of space where no air is present. But I could go all day explaining that.
I gotta say, this seems like a really unnecessary reinvention. The only thing theyre trying to solve is the lack of convection, but their issues with artificial convection are: fans that cant take heat, fans might make debris in case of failure, fans that are loud, and heat efficiency and not wanting to vent hot air directly from the oven. Well, the auto industry has 100+ years experience making things spin and take heat, the electronics industry has 50+ years making fans that spin for LONG duration without failure as well as making the fans incredible quiet, and all theyve got to do to be heat efficient and not vent the hot air is make is a closed loop.
they would already have to reinvent the oven even if they did use a fan, they have to deal with power draw restraints, heat output, space and size constraints. Why add more parts that could break if they can do it simpler?
@@antongalazyuk3117 if that fan fails it WILL cause debris, its not a question of if. Those debris will just not effect anything because your not in a 0G environment.
Thank you so much I’ve always wanted to know about ovens in space. Wow that’s torture imagine smelling a cookie and not being able to eat it. This will cause arguments lol. And also I got this video up to 7k likes woohoo
Hey Tim, your interviewing is insanely awesome man. Great thoughtful questions and an amazing informative video overall. Cheers, from big fan of yours from Kosovo.
Launch costs, and more significantly payload space on current Launch vehicles. Like falcon heavy can lift a Heck of a payload into Leo, but it can't lift a physically big one. Once we get SLS or New Glenn (new Glenn has a relatively low payload mass to orbit, but that fairing is gonna be HUUUGE) then maybe launching large hydroponics modules could be feasible. Mostly though I imagine the issue is just cost.
You would need a lot ofthings to ensure that it wouldn't be a "one of" greenhouse, that would produce only one or two crops. If it would use soil, you'd need ways to put nutrients back into the soil to grow the crops. If it would be an hydroponic setup, you'd still need to stock up in the nutrient solutions for your crops. It's really a question of the critical mass needed for such system, available space, and payload capability, atm.
As a chef, i would love to see some fine cuisine in space... Some french wine sauce (cream, mushrooms, garlic, shallot, wine, herbs du provance) can make just about anything taste like a 5 star meal (even something from a tube). This was a well done, awesome video. I am glad you covered this topic. Maybe, if possible, can you so a video on life in space? Like, interview any 'nauts who have spent any length of time up there and get a deep feel for what it is like from day 1 all the way to year 2 (or 3, not sure what the longest stay on the ISS has been)..... Compare how it was 40 years ago or so to how it is now... We can follow the trend and extrapolate an estimate of where things might end up, what it may be like, 20 or 30 years from now...? Great vid... Keep it up and keep the educational stuff coming. 👍
Making a spinning oven wouldn’t create convection? Like artificial gravity. A slight spin on that gravity would create a convection, where the hot air goes to the inner part and the cold goes to the outer, making contact with the heater.
So that you think of their brand... Now we are talking about it and perhaps when you are choosing a room you will think "I bet they have cookies there"
This is so awesome! Wonderful video my fellow space fiend. Keep up the amazing work! Love the actual interviews and in person conversations you had! This is real journalism!
Having served on a submarine for several years, I can attest to fresh fruit and veggies as an absolute huge morale boost after a long period without; I can only imagine how much more it must be for the scientists on board the ISS. Having the ability to cook instead of simply reheat will go a long way in quality of life improvements for long duration space travel, making it that much more feasible.
Their answer is... very dismissive. My oven has a fan and can withstand greater heat. Put the fan behind a grate if they're that worried it'll "blow up". I'm not sure I follow their logic, and I can't shake the feeling they've designed something primarily "expensive".
@@shaamaan Yes, I got the same impression, although it could also be related to other requirements. It would quite literally involve more moving parts.
@@Car1ll Of course, but this is an OVEN. Whilst I understand Nasa probably has some very strict guidelines and there'd be moving parts involved, we're still talking about a device that's in almost every household. If the rules cannot be relaxed, then they should have listed them because, again, this feels extremely dismissive.
They don't eat these cookies, but they will have a "tin" of pre-baked cookies (biscuits, for you Brits). If they are chewy cookies, maybe crumbs aren't an issue.
Same as here. Just into the air. Also they have filtration systems so the air in the ISS is ok constant motion. Else the astronauts would just suffocate because of the CO2.
The difference is if your ovens fan fails at home you might have to sweep a little bit and pick up any bits of plastic and replace the fan. In space you get the pleasure of tracking down every single tiny bit, before they fly into you eye or some vital life support system.
Don donny I don’t know if u have any idea how things work but u don’t need a 7000rpm fan these idiots (personal opinion) spent millions on a dumb idea reinventing the wheel u need a fan that replicates convection circulation low speed and internal.. this literally is not rocket science don’t over complicate it just to pad you’re pockets
@@dasniper5913 it is not as simple as you think. Where would you place the fan? In the back as in a normal oven? That way all the hot air would be pushed to the front. You don't want the warm air in the front. You want it in the middle where they food is. They invented an easy to build oven. No complicated airflow. It is as simple as it gets. No moving parts, just some heating wires.
Jehty I’m just saying something practical a cookie oven is dumb it needs to be bigger something that can cook any normal meal for someone literally risking there life in space if it’s so good why do u need to test it they made that “oven” specifically for that cookie and yes put the fan in the back underneath on top or mounted on the door to replicate what gravity does on earth heat the whole unit just like conventional ovens do with gravity do u know what the freight price is even at space x prices?? I would literally be shocked if building this dumb thing and getting it there was less than millions
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a backup container was "damaged" during the experiment, silicone is not that hard to cut as the smell of fresh cookies to resist :) amazing video and experiment
This all sounds like a KSP contract.
*Dock with ISS* ✔️
*Initiate cookie cooking procedure* ✔️
*Don't burn the cookie* ❌
Don't eat it either!
Who needs cookies when you have bags of chips ?
S N A K K S
Maintain a minimum distance of 5 meters between Jeb and the cookies
Have Bob “analyze” the cookies
Video should be re-titled:
"Company to drive astronauts insane by baking cookies on ISS that can be smelled but not eaten."
😂
"We really need to bring the samples back to Earth so we can analyze them"
You're gonna deny the astronauts the cookies so that you can eat them yourselves.... 😂
@@nikolausbuchholz2397 well they can't because crumbs would get everywhere anyway
@Thunder Life or if they ate it next to a air vent like how they shave.
@@BrotherTora just eat all at once
bless you for asking about the fan, drove me crazy
Good for asking, but their answer didn't make sense.
@@antongalazyuk3117 The best system is no system. The best part is no part. If heating it in a specific way is simpler than using fans and still works then it makes sense.
Yes, it was an edge of the seat almost yelling at the screen thing until Tim asked. But... while I get the whole "The best part is no part" thing, I can't help feeling that anything larger than a cookie - like large enough to be a meal - is going to require re-evaluation of the fan-forced approach. A static, radiant heat induced, hot pocket of air in thermal equilibrium with itself and large enough for a roast strikes me as being a far more complex endeavour than moving a mass of air at a constant high temperature - despite the safety concerns.
@@royvarley Especially as fans (even those operating in high-temperature environments) are, well, not rocket science.
They did an extremely complex design just to avoid putting a fan when...well, they are just extremely cheap and simple.
Efficiency cannot be used as an argument since the inefficiencies of the fan itself turn into heat (which is what you need to heat).
Rpm limit isn't valid either. Fans in ovens turn pretty slowly; plus they have many fans in the ISS (each laptop for example has one) so one additional one won't do any harm.
Moving parts are bad... well, yes the less moving parts the better...but honestly...simple is beautiful. Fans are pretty reliable.
My conclusion: they expent (probably) millions in overcomplicating something that works perfectly like it currently is, and they are bragging about it...
Looking forward to Gordon Ramsay critiquing the food in space
WHERE’S THE LAMB SAUCE?!
I look forward to him being the first five star chef at the first five star hotel in orbit. Give him a little artificial (spin) gravity and I'll be he could put on a show!
Gordon Ramsay in master schef with "space task" : So I don't want enythink from tube just F NORMAL FOOD
space comunity: are you kidding me
Shoot Gordon Ramsey into space.
Not to any particular destination, just into space......
THIS COOKIE DOUGH IS SO BLOODY RAW YOUR MATES ARE LAUNCHING A PROBE RO STUDY IT FOR CRYOVOLCANISM!! GET ON IT, MATE!!
Imagine smelling cookies after not for 8 months and not being able to eat them.
I imagine it would be pretty hard to smell anything with the effects on their sinuses in microgravity
Lukas DiVito not to mention the air scrubbers are so efficient that the smell probably won’t travel farther than a few feet
Imagine becoming homeless on Mars
I understand Doubletree's desire to get the science down pat but from someone who had to eat MREs 3 times a day for weeks on end, the smell of fresh baked cookies and having to handle them would be to much and getting a bag of old cookies is just wrong.
You would have a premature flavorjaculation😂
let's talk about whiskey in space...
Yes sir..
Pretty sure the Russians have been doing vodka in space.
Han Solo's great grand father was a Whiskey Smuggler.
Nah, popcorn
Future me enroute to the moon onboard starship: I'll have the ship's "spacesky" please...
hahaha
The last time I was this early I was learning about aerospikes
You can't eat aerospikes.
annando dUh
@@spamaccount1680 depends on the material.
I just poured a bowl of Aerospikes with 2% milk. About to have another bowl..
This channel has grown on me the past few months. At first, I was just the occasional lurker of random uploads but lately I've been watching all the videos coming out. Great interviews, explanations, and diagrams. I look forward to the next video!!
I love how he got embarrassed when he said it wouldn’t radiate
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12:15 is the tag
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I love how the women in the space station is so excited to explain everything..
Isn’t Liz amazing? She clearly loves her job, is passionate and knowledgeable!!!
Everyday Astronaut sup
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glad to see you uploading things again tim!
don't take it the wrong way, we support whatever you do :)
Matrick13 yep, I’ll second that statement...
Me: nom nom nom
Mom: what are you doing?
Me: analyzing cookies
The proof is in the pudding, after all.
@@Yora21 MMMmmmmm pudding 🤤🤤🤤
Fans that take oven temperatures are common. Have one in my kitchen, it’s called a fan oven!
Seems a really expensive and complex way to make what could have been a standard fan oven.
That standard fan oven would also have to survive the vibration environment of lift-off
When making something for space, remember to KISS. If static coils are easier to simulate and have no moving parts and very simple controllers, use them.
Vibration of lift off wouldn’t be a problem, it’s a really basic fan with steel blades.
Chocolate Rocket but the system they have designed is the most complex, lots of heating coils, lots of inefficiencies in moving the heat via radiation and conduction in air.
@@gaming_henry Adding a fan for convection wouldn't remove the need for heating coils. The complexity would go up. Though, an oven that could bake more than cookies would probably require a way to generate convection
"The radiation tapers off with distance as r^2 I think？ One over r^2 or something. I have to look the formula up again, don't quote me on the video on that." -- Smart person with a zero g oven 2019
Square inverse law, he got it right!
I think
Don't quote me on that
I'm surprised Tim didn't help him out here. Surely he knows this.
@@ErikBongers don't forget that he doesn't have a degree or something like that, and is originally just a photographer, so even though he probably picked it up along the way, he doesn't necessarily need to know it
LueLou sufficiently far from a sphere it’s 1/r^2. Sufficiently far from a cylinder is 1/r (a line source).
Close.. 'inverse square law', actually...
@@robertadsett5273 Yeah, but not obvious inside a cylinder with reflective inner surfaces...
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The center of the oven where the kitten- where the cookie is actually actively baked.
Schrödinger's cookie.
baking kittens...
mmm
i love baked kitten
hold up, you tested what?
Soft kitty warm kitty
Things I would want to be in a space hotel ?
*Me*
Your comment made me wonder when they're going to start working on space hookers...
@@Slanghappy Haha yeah, I created this coment based on that popular meme WW2.
I am not sure that getting baked in space is such a good idea. You know that high astronauts are gonna f up something !
I know right? They already have all the Highs they need.
Oh well, if NASA needs a volunteer to see if there are different effects of getting baked in space, I can be @ KSC asap tonight.
MO JOE well they are already pretty high
Badumm tsssss
That's why they sent the cookies and the oven.
Space Munchies
I can see the idea for a movie here! Harold and Kumar bake cookies on the ISS or Cheech and Chong get baked in space!
I love how they "securely" riveted the metal frame around the flimsy silicone bag, lol. ripp
Silicone bags like that are a bitch to open, even with a knife. And that one looks thick.
NASA's greatest achievement right now is baking cookies.
For that take a cookie NASA 🍪
@@Reth_Hard a pizza is basically just a giant cookie shape. It's possible they could do mini pizzas!
Well hey! Have u ever baked a cookie in space? Hmmm!?
@@042Ghostmaker Not exactly, a pizza has sticky cheese on top that might stick to the container. A calzone might be a better option
In my best Martha Stewart impersonation: " *And that's a good thing* ".
Tim, thanks so much for all of the outstanding videos! I stumbled across one of your videos randomly a couple months ago and your enthusiasm and eagerness to learn has been so inspiring and sparked some space interest in me; everything is so fascinating! I love that your videos are from the perspective of the viewers and that you explain things in such great detail so that even if your viewers have little to no previous space knowledge they can learn the things that you learn from talking with so many talented individuals. Keep up the phenomenal work! Thank you so much for bringing space down to earth!
12:54 Did he say kitten? What are they doing up there!
They must of been partnered with the Chinese space program
@@millerjerm9236 nah mate, they're the ones working on bats
@@millerjerm9236 👀👀👀👀
Tim is one of the very few i actually activate the "bell" icon ting on, alltough every youtuber cries for it, Tim actually deserve it and I actually want a notification when he releases a video. Great work Tim as always!
21:06 - “We do need the samples back so we can test them.” So, you’re going to make them cook the cookies but not eat them, &, instead of allowing them to taste the cookies & quickly modify the next “test bake” according to their “taste test”, you’re going to have them send cookies down every 4-6 months & test them down here. So, instead of letting them do the process in 1-2 weeks, you’re going to do it in 2-3 years. Brilliant!😱🤦🏼♂️🤭
If tasting will happen, which to me seems unlikely at first, you run the risk of illness because of untested correct conditions to bake. Earth has better treatment facilities for this. This test is to see if the cookies get baked in the environment and what oven settings or time needs to be changed to get better results, some of the cookies might and most likely will be inedible with the first few tries.
@@chrisanderson46302 - Fully cooked is fully cooked whether in LEO or the asteroid belt or on the moon or Mars. If it’s not fully cooked, they’d know that fairly quickly with a few simple tests they can do even in microgravity. While people can get sick from uncooked cookie dough or undercooked cookies, they don’t get sick from fully cooked cookies unless they’re allergic to the ingredients. That can be dealt with by making sure no one is up there who’s allergic to the ingredients in the cookies.
I just want to focus on the fact how fun Tim is!
God I love him!!
“Getting a fan to overcome the heat”? Don’t those fans already exist in every convection oven already on earth?
The true reason was covered, minimum power
alan rickett so spend a massive amount of money researching and designing an oven to save 5 watts. Got it.
watch the whole video before assuming things
@@slipknottin basically yeah. NASA are neat freaks about energy, it's one of the most important resources on a space station. Plus, many nasa craft have failed due to losing power, so they are justified in making all electrical stuff top grade
@@jurabondarchook2494 that's their reason personal I think it's the same as inventing a ball point that works in space they are better solutions
This is freakin' awesome! I'm so glad you were able to get DoubleTree to sponsor this episode.
Tim, I really hope you speak with Yusaku Maezawa because you're one of the people who deserve to take the first commercial trip around the moon.
Apollo-Soyuz is fascinating! Any chance of a full video on the topic? :)
I was just gonna say I haven't seen a vid from you in a while... perfect timing!
You don't have to vent the hot air out. You just have to recirculate it. Also, make the fan out of ceramics. Could also use a moving baffle system like a folding fan waving back and forth which would eliminate a spinning motor in place of a piston.
You haveto vent bc of pressure
Thank you for that "fan"question! :D Right at the start I was like... "Did these people ever heard of fan in ovens " :D
Seriously, the production value of your videos is through the roof, Tim
Seeing that cookie bowl, and nobody eating any of them Arghhhh
Thanks, Tim, that was awesome! You were reading my mind in the future (telepathic time travel?!) when you asked about adding a fan for moving the air around. I was mentally screaming: "Why don't they just add a small fan?!!!" I think their answers were a bit flakey (pie or pi, next?) because the fan would not be exhausting hot air into the ISS, nor would it have to be fast or noisy. A small metal or high-temp plastic fan at the back of the oven would do it. It should be behind a screen, on a motor shaft through a simple seal, so the motor can be outside the oven where it's cool. For my trip to Mars, I want an air fryer!
It really hurt me in the feels when it dawned on me they wouldn't get to eat the cookies...
One of your better presentations, Mr. Dodd. Bravo.
I predict at least one missing baked cookie! Nice job Tim.
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I can just imagine the American astronauts somehow pranking the Russians with this lol
Or maybe even:
"Hey bro, u want some cookie smell?"
can't wait to see someone cheeky and redirected the US's ventilation system to the Russian side
next thing you know Russians are going to accuse US of sabotage via cookies
Imagine being on your way back to earth wondering if you left the oven on...
There are multiple factors that mean that wouldn’t happen ever.
Thank you Tim for the fan question, it was driving me nuts!
Why not a fan in the oven? The answer is: First law of Elon, the best part is no part;-)
Would cost nearly pennies and massive mountain of data available on convection fans that overcome crappy oven technology with impressive reliability is available planet wide .
Data is data
But wasting mega money and the tax write off , lol . Oh my , how hilarious.
@@texasdeeslinglead2401/videos I think besides the stated efficiency & safety concerns, the massive amount of data on convection ovens pushed them towards something you can't do on earth. So now we not only are we learning how an oven functions in microgravity, but we have data about how heat is exchanged in an almost convection-free environment.
@@michaelwenstrup well your fun at parties .
True dat
But really, why not a fan in the oven? I haven't seen an oven in ages without a fan. It is more efficient and needs less heat and time.
I didn't even question you beeing in space in the beginning nor why you're not floating. I was just like 'yeah cool you're in space what's next?'
My critical thinking skills on full overdrive right there
12:54 - Did he say kitten?
He did. I think 12.56 is more accurate but I understand you might have allowed for time to press play if paused to hear it.
Tim, I really enjoy the enthusiasm and joy you share about the space program. You are a wonderful ambassador of the future. I hope you know that you are helping people see a future in space. Well done sir.
12:54
We're the Kittens will be backed 😂WHAT?!?
Lol I was starting to think I'm going mad while scrolling for this comment, expected it to be at the very top
LOL, I just commend this myself before I saw this!
Lol, Freudian slip?
LOL. I had to go back and listen. "... the center of the oven, where the kitten will be baked." :-D
so it´s not some kind of cookie in the US?
I was pleased Tim brought up the idea of using a fan. The fan impeller can be located in the heating chamber with the fan motor outside away from the heat. If motor rotation is an issue, use a contra-rotating weight to cancel out the gyroscopic effect of the motor/impeller rotation. Still, everything points to establishing artificial gravity for health reasons anytime there is prolonged exposure to zero g.
You know wot would be good to bake in space? An upside down cake. Get it? Cos....nothing in space is upside down. ...
I'm disappointed in myself
You can stay
Maybe it could be an inside-out cake... pineapple wrapped in batter in a zero-g fan-oven.
Love your videos.
*I have decided to post humanities first ever cookbook. Add your own recipes if you wish;*
- Tape a steak to the inside of a rocket bell and take a casual drive. Just don't use anything too cancer inducing as fuel and you should be slightly less likely to die if it doesn't instantly explode anyway.
- Take the heat that would otherwise go straight into the radiators and pipe that directly into a sheet of something really conductive for a space pizza oven. You might need to sandwich the pizza between the sheets. Maybe build a vice mechanism for that or something, just don't tighten it too much or you'll just make a fuckin mess.
- To freeze your food, just tie one end to the inner airlock door, the other to the food and open the airlock. Frozen solid and hideously radioactive. A Chernobyl classic.
- To make an instant smoothie, lob your fruit down the hallway as hard as possible and spoon it off the wall.
- Sadly up-side-down cakes are impossible if there is no up or down.
- Do not attempt to use ketchup in space. It's not really a danger to life, it's just really fuckin gross and a waste of cargo space.
I love all those little space anecdotes. Especially when retold by such an awesome RUclipsr!
Why have a fan inside and push the air around that way?🤔
edit: Wait lol he actually asked that later😂, Good job Tim asking my question
Awesome vid Tim!
As a space geek, AND having a degree in Culinary Arts, I love the topic of Food in Space! If anyone is interested in starting a company to research, develop, and eventually DO food in space settings, I AM VERY INTERESTED!!!!
Why not cook with Infrared emitters (like some portable room heaters) or even microwaves?
Microwaves would have the interference pattern issue, which would cause uneven pockets of extreme power and no power. Infrared heaters would be ideal, but since they are relying on black body radiation, a significant portion of the element radiation is already infrared.
I'm not certain about this, but the majority of the heat absorbed by the air will be wavelengths in the visible spectrum, but won't be very significant with the distances involved.
Part of the design requirements for this oven is reliability, and heated wires are probably much easier to operate reliably than an IR emitter.
Its too chip and the contractor director needs a third ferrari. Think differently. Cheap and simple solutions are not for aerospace.
@@pahom2 , so much easier to tell yourself that than to try to think of design problems with those other solutions.
Ah. There is a reason why bolts for airplanes cost 10x time more than bolts for trains. And the reason is... "it is not my business" that is why.
Bolts cost more for planes because if a bolt on a plane fails, the the cabin rapidly depressurizes, but a bolt on a train is under an order of magnitude less stress, and has less at stake if it fails.
I worked in the Space Shuttle/EMU industry for 32 years prior to going into the aviation side of the business. I worked with NASA at the White Sands Missle Test Range where they have a laboratory specializing in the analysis of potentially hazardous materials, components, and systems which include Flammability and Oxygen testing in a micro-gravity environment. Here on the ground where we experience 1g heated air is has less mass than colder air and that is why a candle flame is shaped the way it is. The hot air heated by the candle's combustion rises upward above the cooler denser air (like a hot-air balloon) drawing cooler air from beneath the flame of the candle. The warmed rising air streamlines the flame of the burning candle to a tear-drop shape.
Well, in the micro-gravity of earth orbit the flame is round or flattened as there is little influence of rising hot air. This means heat convection is almost non-existing. Warmer air/fluids will not flow as they do here in 1g. That is why here on the ground, non-convection ovens the hotter part of the oven is the top rack. Convection Ovens have a fan and try to mix that hot air rising with cooler air to even out the temperature for more even baking temperatures. A convection oven would be best if the oven has counter-rotating fans to offset any moment produced by a rotating structure. But I have to imagine that a small oven fan would not be that much influence compared to other forces the crew imparts on the Station. And for that reason along with other atmospheric forces, NASA has to perform orbital correction maneuvers. Now even more interesting is heat radiation in the vacuum of space where no air is present. But I could go all day explaining that.
You know we're moving forward when Paris Hilton's family is making progress in space.
@john smith ISS-STDs... ;?(
This is a great sponsorship. Iam legit exited now for Space Hiltons
This looks like a torpedo tube. So are they torpedo cookies? 😂
they probably make it launch right in your mouse
i mean mouth
@@luznoceda5322 yes dont trust edited comments.
@@luznoceda5322 or do you? I mean its a paradox when you think about it🤣
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Great video, I like how you started it by presenting the history of baking in space and why cooking in space is important.
I gotta say, this seems like a really unnecessary reinvention. The only thing theyre trying to solve is the lack of convection, but their issues with artificial convection are: fans that cant take heat, fans might make debris in case of failure, fans that are loud, and heat efficiency and not wanting to vent hot air directly from the oven. Well, the auto industry has 100+ years experience making things spin and take heat, the electronics industry has 50+ years making fans that spin for LONG duration without failure as well as making the fans incredible quiet, and all theyve got to do to be heat efficient and not vent the hot air is make is a closed loop.
Agreed. We have a convection oven at home. It has a fan that can take up to 550 F. Can't imagine a that fan failing and causing debris.
they would already have to reinvent the oven even if they did use a fan, they have to deal with power draw restraints, heat output, space and size constraints. Why add more parts that could break if they can do it simpler?
@@antongalazyuk3117 if that fan fails it WILL cause debris, its not a question of if. Those debris will just not effect anything because your not in a 0G environment.
Now THIS is the kind of science we need.
Needs a space microwave. But the space wifi would go out when cooking!
That's why 5Ghz wifi exists.
I love this channel and his passion for space! He infects me with his passion!! Keep it going man
The Public: When will SLS launch?
NASA: cOoKiEs iN sPaCe
Imagine a cookie gets loose and starts floating away and 3 astronauts chase it through the space station.
Thank you so much I’ve always wanted to know about ovens in space.
Wow that’s torture imagine smelling a cookie and not being able to eat it. This will cause arguments lol. And also I got this video up to 7k likes woohoo
I hope your Dad is doing well. Thumbs up! Thanks for making space understandable to us laymen.
I have never in my life seen an oven with four USB ports and a HDMI port.
haha i have bigger brain i play on the superior *_W i n d o w_*
Hey Tim, your interviewing is insanely awesome man. Great thoughtful questions and an amazing informative video overall. Cheers, from big fan of yours from Kosovo.
Why isn’t there a “greenhouse module” you know a huge capsule specifically for growing edible plants.
Launch costs, and more significantly payload space on current Launch vehicles. Like falcon heavy can lift a Heck of a payload into Leo, but it can't lift a physically big one. Once we get SLS or New Glenn (new Glenn has a relatively low payload mass to orbit, but that fairing is gonna be HUUUGE) then maybe launching large hydroponics modules could be feasible. Mostly though I imagine the issue is just cost.
You would need a lot ofthings to ensure that it wouldn't be a "one of" greenhouse, that would produce only one or two crops.
If it would use soil, you'd need ways to put nutrients back into the soil to grow the crops.
If it would be an hydroponic setup, you'd still need to stock up in the nutrient solutions for your crops.
It's really a question of the critical mass needed for such system, available space, and payload capability, atm.
Excellent video Tim! Your production quality goes up every time. Very well done.
Why not just make it a fan assisted oven? That would get the air moving inside to transfer heat.
Did you watch the whole video? because they addressed that.
Well that brings a new meaning to space cakes
RIP Starship 2019-2019
More like rip bottem half of starship mk 1 prototype
Wut?! What happened? Was it again the winds fault?
No. RIP mark 1 starship
That oven will change the way we live on Earth dramatically. The level of "science" achieved up there is unmatched.
A new profession and carrer opportunity just opened up: Astrocook!
I'll write a space food cooking recipe book😁😁😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤔🤔
Ok boomer
@@devilishwolfie6975 boom
Thanks for putting proper measurement units (for heat) in subtitles.
The Gary would be ticked at a riveted cookie tray.
As a chef, i would love to see some fine cuisine in space... Some french wine sauce (cream, mushrooms, garlic, shallot, wine, herbs du provance) can make just about anything taste like a 5 star meal (even something from a tube). This was a well done, awesome video. I am glad you covered this topic. Maybe, if possible, can you so a video on life in space? Like, interview any 'nauts who have spent any length of time up there and get a deep feel for what it is like from day 1 all the way to year 2 (or 3, not sure what the longest stay on the ISS has been)..... Compare how it was 40 years ago or so to how it is now... We can follow the trend and extrapolate an estimate of where things might end up, what it may be like, 20 or 30 years from now...? Great vid... Keep it up and keep the educational stuff coming. 👍
Making a spinning oven wouldn’t create convection?
Like artificial gravity. A slight spin on that gravity would create a convection, where the hot air goes to the inner part and the cold goes to the outer, making contact with the heater.
It would start spinning the station eventually...
It would also be a moving part that could fail, if you can do it simpler its better to do it simpler.
well yeah but sometimes overengineering can be a real problem
TheWindigomonster Oh that’s true... but you could put a counterweight that spins the other way, like just a metal ring.
Absolutely phenomenal video about cookies, keep up the fantastic work Tim!
So why is DoubleTree by Hilton involved in this? Seems kinda random.
It is not random actually. I just recently stayed in one, they offer a warm chocolate chip cookie upon checkin 🍪, it is their signature thing
So that you think of their brand... Now we are talking about it and perhaps when you are choosing a room you will think "I bet they have cookies there"
DoubleTree planning to open a moon hotel chain. Thus begins the space hotel race...
$35 million dollar government contract. :/
Hey Tim! I'll be honest I figured we already had baked in space. Good video!
Disappointed they dont cook baked beans but i guess we all know the reason why they wont.
yea firing your warm gas thruster inside a space station is bad for everyone.
@@filanfyretracker lol free fuel though...
This is so awesome! Wonderful video my fellow space fiend. Keep up the amazing work! Love the actual interviews and in person conversations you had! This is real journalism!
"Real world conditions"
... but it's not in a world...
It's orbiting one...
Kappa
Having served on a submarine for several years, I can attest to fresh fruit and veggies as an absolute huge morale boost after a long period without; I can only imagine how much more it must be for the scientists on board the ISS. Having the ability to cook instead of simply reheat will go a long way in quality of life improvements for long duration space travel, making it that much more feasible.
So why not just add fans to heat the food using convection?
edit: Right, 17:00
My thinking too
Their answer is... very dismissive. My oven has a fan and can withstand greater heat. Put the fan behind a grate if they're that worried it'll "blow up". I'm not sure I follow their logic, and I can't shake the feeling they've designed something primarily "expensive".
@@shaamaan Yes, I got the same impression, although it could also be related to other requirements. It would quite literally involve more moving parts.
@@Car1ll Of course, but this is an OVEN. Whilst I understand Nasa probably has some very strict guidelines and there'd be moving parts involved, we're still talking about a device that's in almost every household. If the rules cannot be relaxed, then they should have listed them because, again, this feels extremely dismissive.
A literal space cookie, you will get higher than you ever been before.
How do they eat the cookie without crumbs getting everywhere?
They vacuum it up with their mouths
They don't eat these cookies, but they will have a "tin" of pre-baked cookies (biscuits, for you Brits). If they are chewy cookies, maybe crumbs aren't an issue.
This was a great video. Very informative. Your enthusiasm is contagious Tim 😁
Tim must have shaved his beard and edited some extra footage in at the end 25:29
Doubletree WINS for best sponsor tie-in EVER.
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Where does a fart go in zero G?
Same as here. Just into the air. Also they have filtration systems so the air in the ISS is ok constant motion. Else the astronauts would just suffocate because of the CO2.
14:06 when your oven has more HDMI and USB ports than your macbook 😂😂😂
guess you may want to probably print video onto a cookie at some point 🤣
This looks like the "mock" iss setup, so they could be for other diagnostic stuff, or they are redundant pairs etc, it's space man, anything can go
My oven literally has a fan maybe these smart people need to talk to Samsung they’ve already done it lmao
The difference is if your ovens fan fails at home you might have to sweep a little bit and pick up any bits of plastic and replace the fan.
In space you get the pleasure of tracking down every single tiny bit, before they fly into you eye or some vital life support system.
Don donny I don’t know if u have any idea how things work but u don’t need a 7000rpm fan these idiots (personal opinion) spent millions on a dumb idea reinventing the wheel u need a fan that replicates convection circulation low speed and internal.. this literally is not rocket science don’t over complicate it just to pad you’re pockets
@@dasniper5913 it is not as simple as you think.
Where would you place the fan?
In the back as in a normal oven? That way all the hot air would be pushed to the front.
You don't want the warm air in the front. You want it in the middle where they food is.
They invented an easy to build oven. No complicated airflow. It is as simple as it gets. No moving parts, just some heating wires.
@@dasniper5913 and where did you find the development costs?
How do you know that it cost millions of dollars?
Jehty I’m just saying something practical a cookie oven is dumb it needs to be bigger something that can cook any normal meal for someone literally risking there life in space if it’s so good why do u need to test it they made that “oven” specifically for that cookie and yes put the fan in the back underneath on top or mounted on the door to replicate what gravity does on earth heat the whole unit just like conventional ovens do with gravity do u know what the freight price is even at space x prices?? I would literally be shocked if building this dumb thing and getting it there was less than millions
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a backup container was "damaged" during the experiment, silicone is not that hard to cut as the smell of fresh cookies to resist :) amazing video and experiment
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Well, that's the way the cookie crumbles. Thanks for sharing this. :)
"Why don't you" Just use a microwave oven?
Can you actually bake cookies like that?
@@LocalGuideClyde Yes there are several microwave recipies for baking cakes etc.
With all the very sensitive instruments they have aboard the ISS it would just be a bad idea in general to use a microwave when they don't have to.
@@party4lifedude As the owner of a microwave oven, I would be very disappointed if the energy escaped the confinement of the cabinet.
Looking forward to your orbital spinoff of The Great British Bake Off, Tim!
The Great British Blast Off