I owned a Deauville for several years, the early version with elegant metal bumpers. A beautiful car in metallic copper colour. It was one of a handful built right hand drive. The British press always criticised it as just a Jaguar copy, but it came out when Jaguar was making the Series 1 XJ6 and the De Tomaso was a far more resolved and modern design (not evident with the black car with the inappropriate red pinstripes and blacked-out brightwork you featured). I had an opportunity on an airport to have several drag runs against an XJ12 and the Deauville comprehensively hosed-off the Jag every run - and I got to 140 mph each time before running out of space... It's certainly a car I wish I'd kept.
"...it came out as Jaguar were making the XJ6" yeah...? How does that prove anything? Familiarity breeds contempt...the XJ6 is so famous it's merits can often be overlooked..but if you are in close proximity to one you can't help but be in raptures. The De Tomaso is a fine car, definitely ahead of the Jag in terms of frontal styling...but little else aesthetically. Amazes me with luxury cars how people play-down civility and talk in terms of "listen to the sound of the V8!!!" and "my xyz can beat a Cobra over the 1/4 mile!!!". Grown-up manufacturers once went to big lengths making things like the V12 as quiet as humanly possible, journo's in road tests regarded it as an asset
Some of the responses make me howl with laughter given how many cars today all look alike. I actually like this design, stupid rear axle though. And those Jag brakes are a nightmare... So the Dueville mistakes were easy to spot, rubbish rear suspension, no overdrive to make the most of the V8 in cruise mode, poor quality interior Should have used the LS Chevy motors But, more reliable than jag, cheaper to run, if i could find one of these those are things i would change.
I think it's a very attractive car, it definitely looks better than the Quattroporte which is too squared off for my taste. Says he that used to have a VOLVO.
I visited the DeTomaso factory in about 1980 and saw one of these being built. The factory was tiny and the cars mostly hand-made. I think they were building about 5 cars at the time I visited, including a Pantera. I must be SO old!
Interesting fact. The later De Tomasos used Australian built 351 Clevelands because they stopped making them in the US. The 351 powered a lot of high performance Australian Ford Falcons so that exhaust note is very familiar to anyone who grew up in Australia in the 1970s.
Fun fact: these Cleveland V8s were made in Australia after 1974, all the way to 1988, when our stocks ran out and DeTomaso then had to go to the US 5.0 Windsor.
Those black external rear-view mirrors are "Baby Tornado" made by Vitaloni, a very popular aftermarket accessory in the 1970s used by many small manufacturers to kit out their cars.
Jack, that's a great find! I grew up on a happy diet of obscure motorcars like De Tomato, Monteverdi and Jensen etc., I love the Ford exhaust note this thing puts out, and the hand-built nature of the car. Classic!
That exhaust note is beautiful 👌 With some tuning and a shift kit you could probably liven it up a bit. Good thing about the drivetrain is that it's easy to work on if one wanted to. Thanks for sharing 👍
Probably important to mention it's the Quattroporte 3 you're referring to. The very first one was made between 1963-68 in 4.1 and 4.7 litre guises. That one was quite impactful for the brand as it catered for a wider customer base than their sports car, the 3500GT. The second (based on the Citroen SM) barely even made it out the factory doors!
@@sohrabrustum8582 No, de Tomaso killed the V8 engine development that would go in Quattroporte II, which would have helped Quattroporte II. Bizarrely enough, the V8 was to based on Citroën V6, which was based on the Maserati V8 with two cylinders lopped off. de Tomaso didn't kill Quattroporte II per se. The 1973 oil crisis and financial collapse of Maserati's parent company, Citroën, prevented any further engineering work for EEC type approval. In 1976, Maserati built 12 Quattroporte II for the customers in Spain and Middle East where the type approval wasn't needed.
@@InTeCredo and don't forget that the QP2 was actually the third QP as they'd made an updated RWD QP for the Aga Khan which was supposed to be the QP2 but then they went bust and got bought by Citroen who wanted to go FWD and hydropneumatic...
You and Harry Metcalfe are using the same roads in the Cotswalds! I can tell by that left hander that goes up the hill . Lovely car this and I never knew it existed. Keep up the good work Jack. Videos like yours are keeping me entertained after some recent major surgery.
Amongst all the cars and reviewer’s on RUclips you managed to find a fascinating car that I had honestly never heard of 🤓 Your killing it Jack 🏆 Thank you 🙌
Love these quirky car reviews. We remember them from the day, but are unlikely to ever even see one in the flesh. Thanks for putting us in the driving seat.
This gearbox should not be shifting at less than 4k RPM. The Ford 'Cleveland' 351 (5.7L), even with a small carburetor, will pull hard to about 5k RPM. With more aggressive intake / exhaust, it's more like 6k. The transmission's linkage to the throttle needs adjusting.
Oh Oh,the italian Jag!! Ciao Giacomo,strange car isn't it? I know,is not perfect,but for this reason is one of those attractive and rare objects of italian craftmanship. De Tomaso was a great man,a petrolhead,and a genius that had been a forerunner in many of his projects. Think to the De Tomaso Mangusta and her chassis,or to the Pantera that was intended as a low pice supercar; think to the Biturbo that,of course.was in some ways a problematic car only because they had not money to develop her:but it was a great idea. Think to the italian Mini,styled by Bertone,that he developed with a 3 cylinder 1000 cc Daihatsu engine ,even with a Turbo,more or less the same concept of today's citycars,but 30 years before.And think to the Benelli Sei,the first bike with a 6 cylinder engine,that was powerful and surprisingly had a perfect handling.The Deauville was the less innovative of his projects,but had the advantage of having a big,reliable american engine,full of torque and easy to mantain. This is the tipical hand made italian gt,exotic in every screw,strange,rare and enjoyable. If you think at the beginning of the '80 how many cars of this level were on the market,all with a particular style and personality: Jaguar xj 12,Aston Martin Lagonda.Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9,Maserati Quattroporte,De Tomaso Deauville....All different,all with a strong personality. Thanks for this video and best greetings and Buone Vacanze!
Ciao Federico, thanks for your interesting comments.. the Benelli Sei in particular was a really interesting beast! Auguro anche a te buone vacanze e spero che per il resto di Agosto sei in un bel posto di mare or montagna nel nostro bellissimo paese! Saluti!!
@@simonhodgetts6530 Yes sir.The designer was Giorgio Giugiaro,for Ghia.In the same time he designed also the Maserati Ghibli,that infact has the badge Ghia,and the Iso Rivolta Fidia,another rare four door gt,with a Corvette 5,4 litre V8,that probably inspired De Tomaso with the Deauville.
There are a lot of V8 converted Jags here in the USA. This car is in the same company of nice rare cars like Iso Grifo, Montiverde, etc. What we used to call hybrids because of a European manufacturer using an American powertrain for reliability.
V8 converted jags as in using a modern jag V8 or US V8...I hope the former, cuz the latter is exactly why many of the cars you listed failed in the end ...
@@TheChill001 They failed not because the powertrains were not powerful, robust, or reliable, they failed because their snobby European clientele couldn't bring themselves to buy something with those crude (and powerful, reliable, etc.) mechanicals. Don't blame the powerplant, it wasn't the problem.
I suspect Jaguar later gave the Deauville a bit of a back-handed compliment with the the camouflage panels for the XJ40. Anyway, that looks like you're driving round Harry Metcalfe's manor.
I have a De Tomaso expert who comes on my Drive Espana tours and often drives a Deauville. One year we were at a swazy stop where Jaguar were launching the XE. Heard a lot of Jag men look over to the car park and ask 'is that a Jag?' and then go over to look and come back a bit non plussed!! Super car
I had a bright yellow 1973 DeTomaso Pantera GTS right hand drive, it had the Cleveland 351 that had been reworked to around 350 hp, 5 speed gated ZF with LSD, lovely sound. Terrible gas mileage at 9 to 16mpg. Was an easy car to live with drive and maintain, it even had air con, I would love to have it again, but it is so very impractical. Now they have become too costly for me to purchase another one.
@@mikeholland1031 It was only an estimate, on paper it should have been at least 400hp as everything had been modified, compression set where it would only run on higher octane fuel, it had flat top pistons, stainless double spring valves, 280 overlapping cam, Edelbrock performer RPM intake, Holley 750 double pumper, big bore headers, straight through pipes, the only thing that let it down was the Mallory dual point distributor set up and eventually that worked much better after I replaced the points so it would rev out, got it sorted just before I sold it.
The Deauville always had a cool factor other sedans didn't have because of the Italian heritage. And yeah right off I could see a lot of Quattroporte in that interior, from that period. Jack, would love to see you get your hands on an Iso Griffo or Revolto or similar. :) Love these oddball car vids.
I love the look of it. I remember reading about it in car magazines in the 80's. Living in the US we never got to see any. I hope to just see one some day. Thank you.
I owned a chrome-bumper '78 I think. Bronze in colour. The first owner collected it from the factory and... drove it to Australia! He even did a Targa Tasmania in it. Factory adjustable suspension. I bought it from Duttons here in Melbourne - a highly respected classic car dealership who were really excellent to me. I would recommend them any day. I sold the car (one of maybe only 10 rhd) because it dawned on me one day, as a daily driver, where would I buy. for instance, a front clip if I had a shunt? oh, and the front rubber boots would split every time I was on full right-hand lock, spilling all the power fluid out. When on song, a great GT car though.
Always liked the Jaguar very hard. The reason why I have never bought one is that they were never offered with a manual transmission. Nice review! Seems like the interior is well insulated with the windows closed. Nice leather as well it seems. Cheers from Belgium
When De Tomaso stopped making the Deauville, Jaguar should have bought the panel presses and carried on making it. It's more XJ than an XJ. Such a great rendering of an XJ shape.
I love seeing the cornering capabilities being compared on ‘Jacks Bend’. Very plush looking interior on this interesting car. Thanks again for sharing your views. Best wishes, Bob M
Very interesting video. There are not many on the Deauville, as it was produced in such low numbers. The early Deauvilles up to 1974 (series 1) actually had the US made 351 Cleveland 4V, which revved higher and had higher compression ratio, power output was claimed at 330hp, but was probably higher. The Aussie made 351 featured from 1975, apparently tuned in Switzerland before making it to the factory. They had inboard rear disk brakes (as did the Jag XJ), unfortunately they rusted badly, as they were made with cheap steel (as were most Italian cars of the day too). Several were sold in Australia, and a friend of mine actually owned the 1973 silver one that was used as the personal transport for Frank Sinatra during his 1974 tour to Australia. He told me the electrics were a nightmare, and very expensive to restore, with trim parts being unobtainable. Thanks for the video
The European grand-tourers that used American V8s - such as the Facel HK500, the Monteverdi High Speed, the Jensen Interceptor, and the De Tomaso models - managed to combine brute force American torque with Euro styling and handling. How I wish I could afford a car from that era.
Jack what we love most about Italian cars are their driveability n their craziness, they have to handle n stop well to be safe with Italian style driving, I remember very well when i goes going back to Cyprus from Greece the ship first wen to Egypt then Naples n back throughthe Corinth canal to Cyprus was my first time seen so many Vespas togeher but what impressed me the most wa how young Italans where iving sticking their heads out of their cars n whistling to every pretty girl without slowing down at all when I told my mate back home he said its why Italian cars handle n stop so well cause of the crazy way young Italians drive i think it was late 1958 early 59 myy youth years gone for EVER
Wow Jack you can find some obscure stuff! I’ve been around a bit and have never heard of the Deauville. It looks like the bastard love child of an XJ6 and a big Fiat saloon … which it sort of is😂
@@ahoneyman 351 2V heads are great street heads - the 4V are great track heads, often too big for street type rpm. Ford AUSTRALIA made good CLEVELAND engines in 351 and 302 (not sure what year the 302 finished - I think 1985 as well) up until the end of 1985 until the introduction of unleaded fuel here in 1986. DETOMASO sourced their CLEVELAND engines from AUSTRALIA until they ran out of stock somewhere in the mid 80's. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
@@geneva760 Not the US 2V heads. The compression is about 8:1 in most 351M and 400 engines. Milling blocks and custom pushrods are not cheap. In the US we got the 351W which is basically a beefier tall deck 302. All the 302 heads bolt right on.
I think it’s a handsome and interesting car. I love the Italian take on the Jag styling. DeTomaso certainly knew how to style a car. The Pantera is a stunning looking car. No idea how it drives though.
Interesting car, only seen a very few over the years, I prefer the elegance of the earlier chrome bumper cars, but you can say that about the Jaguar too. I really like Tom Tjaarda’s design, yes it was a spin off on the basic Jag shape, but the frontal treatment worked well and looked more modern than the series 1 XJ that was current when it was released. That said the XJ is a fabulous car for all its problems and I think I’d rather have a V12 in the series one Double 6 guise or in the XJC than the De Tomaso. Thanks for bringing this lovely piece of automotive history to us Jack.
Great Video, and love the channel. Im in Australia and had a Series One Jag XJ6 back in 1988 - 1989, it spent more time off the road, back of a tow truck or just not starting than being driven. The most unreliable car ive ever had. Alot of guys back then would take out the Jag 4.2L 6 and install small block Chevy 350 Ci engines in them or ford 351 ci engines and essentially turn them into what this Detomaso is. ... Very clever..
De Tomaso were almost the Italian Bristol in the late 70s / early 80s, building a handful of cars a year, mainly all put together by hand. The Deauville was also the basis for the Longchamp coupe, not as elegant a design as the Deauville but still a very nice and very rare car (although I think they built about twice as many Longchamp as Deauvilles).
Besides the Pantera that was a commercial success for such a small company and the rest of the line up was more or less a vanity project for Allejandro DeTomaso himself and his circle of friends. Basically he wanted a Jaguar XJ6 type of four door saloon but with his name on it because nothing else would do. I don't think he cared that it didn't sell, he had Maserati to take care of business.
There was a Deauville kicking around my home town in the early 80's, it was a few yrs old, but clearly well loved. If anything the Deauville styling almost second guessed the Jag XJ40, that followed the XJ6... straighter tighter lines, but clearly an XJ evolution. Always liked the look, but a very hard ask for a limited production company to match the development budget and public awareness of a mainstream manufacturer (even cash strapped Jaguar, during the BL years!). PS: Is that Harry's favorite test road near Burford, 6m26s?
Agree that the Tjaarda came out with one of his usual masterpieces, although I can see the influence of the XJ styling. In some ways I think that Jag then took some cues off the Deauville for the later XJ40.
I remember LJKS referring to the Mangusta as "the late, brakeless, and therefore unlamented Mangusta." I rather liked it myself, but never drove or even saw one in the flesh.
@@ashleyaustin1894 I heard the handling wasn't very good, but I tell you, when riding in it that close to the ground and making the sounds it does it makes a VERY favorable impression. My neighbor bought it in 1981 for 16k USD and still has it. They now regularly go for 400k plus so I think the brakes and handling can be forgiven. lol
Delightful. A car that was doomed from birth: what Jaguar did best was value for money and there was no way an XJ6 clone at a 50% higher price (and probably even higher maintenance costs) was going to succeed. And the rear suspension was a crib of the Jaguar, even down to the inboard discs. I seem to remember there was only a single damper on each side, unlike Jaguar's. It's not a Chapman strut, because in that layout the driveshaft is the only lateral locating member (see Lotus Elan). The Jaguar/ De Tomaso setup mimics a dual wishbone setup: there is a lower wishbone, and the driveshaft serves as the upper lateral locating member.
sadly like when the ROVER companie was English not Japanese or bmw the p6s got negative feedback because customers like jagcat didn't replace the inbored discs pads down to the huge cost at garages sad but true shockingly.
Agree... The only plus of the Deauville were eventually the performances... But the target customers for this kind of car were not looking for top performances, but comfort.
Hell, yessssss. The caracter. That is the key word. Last month I gave my new 520d G30 to my son and my wife, and bought well maintained '93 XJ 81 Daimler with 6 liter V12 for 10t€. My 90yr old dad told me to do so, and when morocco red Jag came home, dad was first to sit on passanger seat. What a time to remember we had that day. In september we will have a road trip to Croatia. There is phenomenal road down the coast. Daimler will enjoy it and do what it was made for long time ago. My son will stay at home to enjoy that great BMW infotainmemt together with his teen friends.
Engine.. "... part of the driving experience...". As I recall from back then, the fact that De Tomaso's had big American V8's was a primary reason why moto-journo types looked down on these cars. They weren't Italian V8's or V12's. Basically the opinions were that De Tomasos just didn't have 'breeding' or 'class'. Must admit, I was never very keen on the revised styling of the XJ6 Series 2 and 3, from the mid/late 70's. Compared to the Mk1 XJ6. I owned a 10 year old one in 1979. An utter revelation to me.
Yes, also It was not that well known as a company, and due to the deal made with Ford they sold their cars through the Lincoln-Mercury dealers in America, which also did not help.
Objective quality has nothing to do with it, it is just a fact of life when it comes to exclusivity in the auto world that making your own engine is a must. Cars like the Jensen, Bristol, Monteverdi, Iso, and DeTomaso will never ever be as valuable or exclusive as an Aston Martin, Ferrari, or Lamborghini.
The Museo delle Auto della Polizia in Rome has a unique armoured Deauville. It apparently was gifted by DeTomaso to the authorities and was used to ferry top-ranking officials during the 70s
Interesting info! E grazie anche per i tuoi video che guardo regolarmente.. l’ultimo sulla x1/9 per ricerca visto che domani faccio un video su una 1500 del 79! Saluti!
I drive a TDV8 L322 Range Rover the year after Ford redeveloped the BMW design. I love it as a car, extreme comfort and the imperious driving position.
I own a 1986 Maserati Quatroporte III (Which I'd like to get back from my mechanic) and it had been bullet proof for more than 10 years before I took it in for a respray and it never came back! More a problem of my mechanic and not the fault of the car. Thanks for this review, I've known of the Deauville, just never saw one reviewed like this. Good work Number 27! 🙂 I look forward to more.
There was a very long waiting list for the first Jaguar Xj6's (of which I've owned a couple), in 1968, for a very good reason. They were still leading the field 15 years later, for a very good reason.
That's typical for British Leyland at the times, when they well had a success on their hand, they literally couldn't build enough of them to meet the enormous demand, like the XJ6 and the Range Rover.
Always liked them - and the early Longchamps without the silly wheel arches. With a Ford V8, they were intended when new as daily drivers, but way cooler than Jags / Mercs etc. The trouble now is that they are so expensive, not least because of rarity.
Oh man I want one of those sooo bad... I love pretty much everything De Tomaso ever did. And I don't think they're that mad, for an Italian car they're just the right amount of mad.
Jack, an E type Jag has the front bumper attached to the forward hinged bonnet, so it moves with the bonnet. That's a nice looking vehicle, don't believe I've ever seen one before.
A very cool and special car indeed. Have a soft spot for those kind of elegant but very sporty sedans. Another one in the row would be the Quattroporte or Lagonda. Would love to see more of those cars in a channel, bit tired of the sports car stuff out there. Refreshing car review Jack!
There was also a 5-speed manual option, although probably very few were made. That should be more of a driver's car! Also in the interior I could spot some components that made it unchanged to the Maserati Biturbo, such as the soft leather "arm cushion" between the front seats, and the door panel leather and wood trim looks identical to the Maserati 228i from 1987...
So glad I came across this review! What an amazing and rare vehicle, with a great, reliable engine and an incredibly comfortable and plush looking interior. One of the best looking cars I've seen - both exterior and interior. Thank you for a great video. Loving these sorts of vehicles I'd love to see a review and hear your thoughts on the Longchamp. I purchased a 1983 model about 8 years ago and find it very comfortable and with superb handling and performance for its time. It's just so low to the ground, raised driveways or spoon drains can prove catastrophic!
It sounds lovely and i really like the look of it, especially the front end but then i love old Fiats which this has some similarities with. I think it's the round lights that do it for
I owned a Deauville for several years, the early version with elegant metal bumpers. A beautiful car in metallic copper colour. It was one of a handful built right hand drive. The British press always criticised it as just a Jaguar copy, but it came out when Jaguar was making the Series 1 XJ6 and the De Tomaso was a far more resolved and modern design (not evident with the black car with the inappropriate red pinstripes and blacked-out brightwork you featured). I had an opportunity on an airport to have several drag runs against an XJ12 and the Deauville comprehensively hosed-off the Jag every run - and I got to 140 mph each time before running out of space... It's certainly a car I wish I'd kept.
"...it came out as Jaguar were making the XJ6" yeah...? How does that prove anything? Familiarity breeds contempt...the XJ6 is so famous it's merits can often be overlooked..but if you are in close proximity to one you can't help but be in raptures. The De Tomaso is a fine car, definitely ahead of the Jag in terms of frontal styling...but little else aesthetically. Amazes me with luxury cars how people play-down civility and talk in terms of "listen to the sound of the V8!!!" and "my xyz can beat a Cobra over the 1/4 mile!!!". Grown-up manufacturers once went to big lengths making things like the V12 as quiet as humanly possible, journo's in road tests regarded it as an asset
As soon as I saw it, I thought "Jaguar knock-off.", and I knew nothing about the Deauville until I saw this video.
Some of the responses make me howl with laughter given how many cars today all look alike.
I actually like this design, stupid rear axle though. And those Jag brakes are a nightmare... So the Dueville mistakes were easy to spot, rubbish rear suspension, no overdrive to make the most of the V8 in cruise mode, poor quality interior
Should have used the LS Chevy motors
But, more reliable than jag, cheaper to run, if i could find one of these those are things i would change.
@@iHelpSolveIt I'm laughing at the suggestion they could have used LS engines in 1972...
I think it's a very attractive car, it definitely looks better than the Quattroporte which is too squared off for my taste. Says he that used to have a VOLVO.
I visited the DeTomaso factory in about 1980 and saw one of these being built. The factory was tiny and the cars mostly hand-made. I think they were building about 5 cars at the time I visited, including a Pantera. I must be SO old!
Experienced is the correct word
Interesting fact. The later De Tomasos used Australian built 351 Clevelands because they stopped making them in the US. The 351 powered a lot of high performance Australian Ford Falcons so that exhaust note is very familiar to anyone who grew up in Australia in the 1970s.
Very cool info. Thanks Nick!
The Austraians also made the engine for Ausralian Falcon.
Great to see such a rarity being reviewed.
Thanks
Fun fact: these Cleveland V8s were made in Australia after 1974, all the way to 1988, when our stocks ran out and DeTomaso then had to go to the US 5.0 Windsor.
Those black external rear-view mirrors are "Baby Tornado" made by Vitaloni, a very popular aftermarket accessory in the 1970s used by many small manufacturers to kit out their cars.
You are killing it with these obscure car videos. More of this is what i love to see.
Great to see a rarity like this that I had previously never heard of.
Jack, that's a great find! I grew up on a happy diet of obscure motorcars like De Tomato, Monteverdi and Jensen etc., I love the Ford exhaust note this thing puts out, and the hand-built nature of the car. Classic!
De Tomato 😂😂😂😂
@@howardlake6178 Stupid auto correct!! :))
As a 1970er, I collected them as MatchBox Toy Cars 😂👍🏻
Bristol, SSG, Hennessy, Saleen Super Cars,Bitter
Jensen used chrysler engines though...
You can definitely see why Jaguar wasn't happy with the styling.
It really does look like a cross between an XJ and a Maverick 4-door sedan.
Fort sight, i thought it was an XJ
That exhaust note is beautiful 👌 With some tuning and a shift kit you could probably liven it up a bit. Good thing about the drivetrain is that it's easy to work on if one wanted to. Thanks for sharing 👍
Agree with you
oh yes , specially when curved the way they are
I agree, that's a proper V8 sound
Sounds a bit like an old pickup truck.
@@heiner71 that's because it's a pig-iron American V8. Best sound in the automotive world imo. And that's from a Brit.
I would drive it just for the interior. It’s simply gorgeous!
Probably important to mention it's the Quattroporte 3 you're referring to. The very first one was made between 1963-68 in 4.1 and 4.7 litre guises. That one was quite impactful for the brand as it catered for a wider customer base than their sports car, the 3500GT. The second (based on the Citroen SM) barely even made it out the factory doors!
You mean the Quattroporte I, not III (1979-1990)?
@@sohrabrustum8582 No, de Tomaso killed the V8 engine development that would go in Quattroporte II, which would have helped Quattroporte II. Bizarrely enough, the V8 was to based on Citroën V6, which was based on the Maserati V8 with two cylinders lopped off.
de Tomaso didn't kill Quattroporte II per se. The 1973 oil crisis and financial collapse of Maserati's parent company, Citroën, prevented any further engineering work for EEC type approval. In 1976, Maserati built 12 Quattroporte II for the customers in Spain and Middle East where the type approval wasn't needed.
@@InTeCredo and don't forget that the QP2 was actually the third QP as they'd made an updated RWD QP for the Aga Khan which was supposed to be the QP2 but then they went bust and got bought by Citroen who wanted to go FWD and hydropneumatic...
Yes, Peter Ustinov said that he had one of those (a Series 1 Quattroporte).
You and Harry Metcalfe are using the same roads in the Cotswalds! I can tell by that left hander that goes up the hill .
Lovely car this and I never knew it existed.
Keep up the good work Jack. Videos like yours are keeping me entertained after some recent major surgery.
Hey dude, hope you’re recovering and back on your feet soon!!
Amongst all the cars and reviewer’s on RUclips you managed to find a fascinating car that I had honestly never heard of 🤓 Your killing it Jack 🏆 Thank you 🙌
Thank you chap!
Love these quirky car reviews. We remember them from the day, but are unlikely to ever even see one in the flesh. Thanks for putting us in the driving seat.
As a Jag fan and owner this review was especially interesting. Thanks Jack, learned a lot, fascinating stuff!
That thing sounds amazing! I love different stuff exactly this, excellent and interesting content Jack buddy 👍
This gearbox should not be shifting at less than 4k RPM. The Ford 'Cleveland' 351 (5.7L), even with a small carburetor, will pull hard to about 5k RPM. With more aggressive intake / exhaust, it's more like 6k. The transmission's linkage to the throttle needs adjusting.
Oh Oh,the italian Jag!! Ciao Giacomo,strange car isn't it? I know,is not perfect,but for this reason is one of those attractive and rare objects of italian craftmanship. De Tomaso was a great man,a petrolhead,and a genius that had been a forerunner in many of his projects. Think to the De Tomaso Mangusta and her chassis,or to the Pantera that was intended as a low pice supercar; think to the Biturbo that,of course.was in some ways a problematic car only because they had not money to develop her:but it was a great idea. Think to the italian Mini,styled by Bertone,that he developed with a 3 cylinder 1000 cc Daihatsu engine ,even with a Turbo,more or less the same concept of today's citycars,but 30 years before.And think to the Benelli Sei,the first bike with a 6 cylinder engine,that was powerful and surprisingly had a perfect handling.The Deauville was the less innovative of his projects,but had the advantage of having a big,reliable american engine,full of torque and easy to mantain. This is the tipical hand made italian gt,exotic in every screw,strange,rare and enjoyable. If you think at the beginning of the '80 how many cars of this level were on the market,all with a particular style and personality: Jaguar xj 12,Aston Martin Lagonda.Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9,Maserati Quattroporte,De Tomaso Deauville....All different,all with a strong personality. Thanks for this video and best greetings and Buone Vacanze!
great comment!!!
The Mangusta was a stunningly beautiful car! Giugiaro design I think?
Ciao Federico, thanks for your interesting comments.. the Benelli Sei in particular was a really interesting beast! Auguro anche a te buone vacanze e spero che per il resto di Agosto sei in un bel posto di mare or montagna nel nostro bellissimo paese! Saluti!!
@@simonhodgetts6530 Yes sir.The designer was Giorgio Giugiaro,for Ghia.In the same time he designed also the Maserati Ghibli,that infact has the badge Ghia,and the Iso Rivolta Fidia,another rare four door gt,with a Corvette 5,4 litre V8,that probably inspired De Tomaso with the Deauville.
There are a lot of V8 converted Jags here in the USA. This car is in the same company of nice rare cars like Iso Grifo, Montiverde, etc. What we used to call hybrids because of a European manufacturer using an American powertrain for reliability.
V8 converted jags as in using a modern jag V8 or US V8...I hope the former, cuz the latter is exactly why many of the cars you listed failed in the end ...
@@TheChill001 They failed not because the powertrains were not powerful, robust, or reliable, they failed because their snobby European clientele couldn't bring themselves to buy something with those crude (and powerful, reliable, etc.) mechanicals. Don't blame the powerplant, it wasn't the problem.
Well it was an easy swap. They had chevy transmissions
@@mescko the jag 6 is great. The 12 is not
Just loving the rare car content 😎👌
I suspect Jaguar later gave the Deauville a bit of a back-handed compliment with the the camouflage panels for the XJ40.
Anyway, that looks like you're driving round Harry Metcalfe's manor.
I have a De Tomaso expert who comes on my Drive Espana tours and often drives a Deauville. One year we were at a swazy stop where Jaguar were launching the XE. Heard a lot of Jag men look over to the car park and ask 'is that a Jag?' and then go over to look and come back a bit non plussed!! Super car
I had a bright yellow 1973 DeTomaso Pantera GTS right hand drive, it had the Cleveland 351 that had been reworked to around 350 hp, 5 speed gated ZF with LSD, lovely sound. Terrible gas mileage at 9 to 16mpg. Was an easy car to live with drive and maintain, it even had air con, I would love to have it again, but it is so very impractical. Now they have become too costly for me to purchase another one.
Yes.. mad prices now!! Thanks for watching Jason!
350hp is a low horse build
@@mikeholland1031 It was only an estimate, on paper it should have been at least 400hp as everything had been modified, compression set where it would only run on higher octane fuel, it had flat top pistons, stainless double spring valves, 280 overlapping cam, Edelbrock performer RPM intake, Holley 750 double pumper, big bore headers, straight through pipes, the only thing that let it down was the Mallory dual point distributor set up and eventually that worked much better after I replaced the points so it would rev out, got it sorted just before I sold it.
The Deauville always had a cool factor other sedans didn't have because of the Italian heritage. And yeah right off I could see a lot of Quattroporte in that interior, from that period. Jack, would love to see you get your hands on an Iso Griffo or Revolto or similar. :) Love these oddball car vids.
The iso griffo is a stunning car
@@augustinf Iso Rivolta Fidia is the best.
@Nichen Fauster nah, it has a cool engine 😎
The Grifo or Rivolta would make a riveting subject subject for a video!
I knew nothing about this car (until now), however as a Detroiter I knew instantly what the source of the sound was!
I love the look of it. I remember reading about it in car magazines in the 80's. Living in the US we never got to see any. I hope to just see one some day. Thank you.
I owned a chrome-bumper '78 I think. Bronze in colour. The first owner collected it from the factory and... drove it to Australia! He even did a Targa Tasmania in it. Factory adjustable suspension. I bought it from Duttons here in Melbourne - a highly respected classic car dealership who were really excellent to me. I would recommend them any day. I sold the car (one of maybe only 10 rhd) because it dawned on me one day, as a daily driver, where would I buy. for instance, a front clip if I had a shunt? oh, and the front rubber boots would split every time I was on full right-hand lock, spilling all the power fluid out. When on song, a great GT car though.
What a remarkable car and outside my I spy book of cars I thought I’d never see one Jack! Great video, love these unicorns!
Very cool. Always been intrigued by these but never seen any content on them. Well done
The Deauville looks more similar to the xj40 which came later than xj6 . The Deauville is very beautiful.
Please make more videos like this, loved it
Thanks for watching buddy and for your compliment!
Finally, a DeTomaso on your channel, Jack. Great review.
I owned a masarati bi turbo for about 2 years,loved it looks and gorgeous v6 sound ,no problems with it except the air con pump siezed
Italian design and british style the perfect match for a car! Greeting from Italy
Awesome feature on this Rare and Exotic Italian Beauty. Really enjoyed it. 😍🥰
Always liked the Jaguar very hard.
The reason why I have never bought one is that they were never offered with a manual transmission.
Nice review! Seems like the interior is well insulated with the windows closed. Nice leather as well it seems.
Cheers from Belgium
When De Tomaso stopped making the Deauville, Jaguar should have bought the panel presses and carried on making it. It's more XJ than an XJ. Such a great rendering of an XJ shape.
Sorry to say that is really like this.
I own one. It is much larger than an xj6 in length and width
I love seeing the cornering capabilities being compared on ‘Jacks Bend’. Very plush looking interior on this interesting car. Thanks again for sharing your views. Best wishes, Bob M
Beautiful luxury four seater, regrettably conceived
by a troubled brand going through tormented times.
Thanks for sharing !
This channel easily has the most interesting cars. It is one after another.
an immediate like just for featuring the deauville. and actually finding one. dream car of mine
Very interesting video. There are not many on the Deauville, as it was produced in such low numbers. The early Deauvilles up to 1974 (series 1) actually had the US made 351 Cleveland 4V, which revved higher and had higher compression ratio, power output was claimed at 330hp, but was probably higher. The Aussie made 351 featured from 1975, apparently tuned in Switzerland before making it to the factory.
They had inboard rear disk brakes (as did the Jag XJ), unfortunately they rusted badly, as they were made with cheap steel (as were most Italian cars of the day too).
Several were sold in Australia, and a friend of mine actually owned the 1973 silver one that was used as the personal transport for Frank Sinatra during his 1974 tour to Australia.
He told me the electrics were a nightmare, and very expensive to restore, with trim parts being unobtainable. Thanks for the video
The European grand-tourers that used American V8s - such as the Facel HK500, the Monteverdi High Speed, the Jensen Interceptor, and the De Tomaso models - managed to combine brute force American torque with Euro styling and handling. How I wish I could afford a car from that era.
Jack what we love most about Italian cars are their driveability n their craziness, they have to handle n stop well to be safe with Italian style driving, I remember very well when i goes going back to Cyprus from Greece the ship first wen to Egypt then Naples n back throughthe Corinth canal to Cyprus was my first time seen so many Vespas togeher but what impressed me the most wa how young Italans where iving sticking their heads out of their cars n whistling to every pretty girl without slowing down at all when I told my mate back home he said its why Italian cars handle n stop so well cause of the crazy way young Italians drive i think it was late 1958 early 59 myy youth years gone for EVER
I've heard of the Deauville but I didn't know about how it looks until today. Looks spiffing, though. And sounds glorious.
Wow Jack you can find some obscure stuff! I’ve been around a bit and have never heard of the Deauville. It looks like the bastard love child of an XJ6 and a big Fiat saloon … which it sort of is😂
Same here , what a nice forgotten De Tomaso & refreshing since we all know the other famous model .
Glad you enjoyed it Mark!!
Bastard lovechild. I like it .there there should be a car meet ..for bastard lovechild cars . Not just de tomsdo .
@@johndeacetis4707 Ford Granadas
😆😆😆 Good on you! Absolutely!
The Ford 351 Cleveland is arguably the most tunable small block v8 ever built, it's an incredible sounding, high rpm, chevy-eating badass motor...🤘🏻🇺🇸
Ford made decent Cleveland heads for 2-3 years. The 351M/400 2V heads are absolute trash.
@@ahoneyman 351 2V heads are great street heads - the 4V are great track heads, often too big for street type rpm. Ford AUSTRALIA made good CLEVELAND engines in 351 and 302 (not sure what year the 302 finished - I think 1985 as well) up until the end of 1985 until the introduction of unleaded fuel here in 1986. DETOMASO sourced their CLEVELAND engines from AUSTRALIA until they ran out of stock somewhere in the mid 80's. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
@@geneva760 Not the US 2V heads. The compression is about 8:1 in most 351M and 400 engines. Milling blocks and custom pushrods are not cheap. In the US we got the 351W which is basically a beefier tall deck 302. All the 302 heads bolt right on.
I think it’s a handsome and interesting car. I love the Italian take on the Jag styling. DeTomaso certainly knew how to style a car. The Pantera is a stunning looking car. No idea how it drives though.
OMG, that shifter and surround is in just about every Ford family sedan and wagon(estate) in the US and Australia from 1970 to 1988!
Interesting car, only seen a very few over the years, I prefer the elegance of the earlier chrome bumper cars, but you can say that about the Jaguar too. I really like Tom Tjaarda’s design, yes it was a spin off on the basic Jag shape, but the frontal treatment worked well and looked more modern than the series 1 XJ that was current when it was released. That said the XJ is a fabulous car for all its problems and I think I’d rather have a V12 in the series one Double 6 guise or in the XJC than the De Tomaso. Thanks for bringing this lovely piece of automotive history to us Jack.
Great Video, and love the channel.
Im in Australia and had a Series One Jag XJ6 back in 1988 - 1989, it spent more time off the road, back of a tow truck or just not starting than being driven. The most unreliable car ive ever had.
Alot of guys back then would take out the Jag 4.2L 6 and install small block Chevy 350 Ci engines in them or ford 351 ci engines and essentially turn them into what this Detomaso is. ... Very clever..
Thanks for sharing!
As ever, great video Jack. Really enjoyed seeing this rare beastie
Bring on the reviews of quirky cars!
Nice and informative review 👍👍
De Tomaso, what a beautiful make! The interiors are some of the best looking ones!
Awesome sound and I like the interior.Nice review on a car that I never heard of 🙂
Hi Jack, I liked the car a lot. Beautiful interior and v/8 power. Thanks for showing it in your usual charming and interesting way.
Definitely Jag like in body shape but I think the inside is much nicer. Love those leather seats they look nice and comfy.
Christopher Biggins drove one in Shoestring. Reg: EPL400V. Episode 9 of Series 1. “Find The Lady”. He played a shady manager of Toyah.
Wish XJ is crazy. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
It looks like a cross between an XJ6 and the later XJ40. I like it a lot. Fantastic noise from that V8!
De Tomaso were almost the Italian Bristol in the late 70s / early 80s, building a handful of cars a year, mainly all put together by hand. The Deauville was also the basis for the Longchamp coupe, not as elegant a design as the Deauville but still a very nice and very rare car (although I think they built about twice as many Longchamp as Deauvilles).
I’ll take the Bristol thanks.
Besides the Pantera that was a commercial success for such a small company and the rest of the line up was more or less a vanity project for Allejandro DeTomaso himself and his circle of friends. Basically he wanted a Jaguar XJ6 type of four door saloon but with his name on it because nothing else would do. I don't think he cared that it didn't sell, he had Maserati to take care of business.
I would own this in a heartbeat....I just never, ever would want to have to try and find parts for it.
ive always liked those detomaso's and ofcourse old school masser's. great motors
There was a Deauville kicking around my home town in the early 80's, it was a few yrs old, but clearly well loved. If anything the Deauville styling almost second guessed the Jag XJ40, that followed the XJ6... straighter tighter lines, but clearly an XJ evolution.
Always liked the look, but a very hard ask for a limited production company to match the development budget and public awareness of a mainstream manufacturer (even cash strapped Jaguar, during the BL years!).
PS: Is that Harry's favorite test road near Burford, 6m26s?
It certainly looks like the same place. With so many reviewers (incl. Harry, Joe A) speeding through the same bend, it must be crowded at times😅
Agree that the Tjaarda came out with one of his usual masterpieces, although I can see the influence of the XJ styling. In some ways I think that Jag then took some cues off the Deauville for the later XJ40.
Well done Jack for continuing to find unusual cars with interesting stories to review does sound good as well
What a lovely car. Thanks for reviewing it,
Thanks for sharing this story. I never heard of the Deuville. My neighbor bought a Mangusta and gave me a ride in it as a kid. What a cool experience!
I remember LJKS referring to the Mangusta as "the late, brakeless, and therefore unlamented Mangusta." I rather liked it myself, but never drove or even saw one in the flesh.
@@ashleyaustin1894 I heard the handling wasn't very good, but I tell you, when riding in it that close to the ground and making the sounds it does it makes a VERY favorable impression. My neighbor bought it in 1981 for 16k USD and still has it. They now regularly go for 400k plus so I think the brakes and handling can be forgiven. lol
Delightful. A car that was doomed from birth: what Jaguar did best was value for money and there was no way an XJ6 clone at a 50% higher price (and probably even higher maintenance costs) was going to succeed. And the rear suspension was a crib of the Jaguar, even down to the inboard discs. I seem to remember there was only a single damper on each side, unlike Jaguar's. It's not a Chapman strut, because in that layout the driveshaft is the only lateral locating member (see Lotus Elan). The Jaguar/ De Tomaso setup mimics a dual wishbone setup: there is a lower wishbone, and the driveshaft serves as the upper lateral locating member.
sadly like when the ROVER companie was English not Japanese or bmw the p6s got negative feedback because customers like jagcat didn't replace the inbored discs pads down to the huge cost at garages sad but true shockingly.
Agree... The only plus of the Deauville were eventually the performances... But the target customers for this kind of car were not looking for top performances, but comfort.
Hell, yessssss. The caracter. That is the key word. Last month I gave my new 520d G30 to my son and my wife, and bought well maintained '93 XJ 81 Daimler with 6 liter V12 for 10t€. My 90yr old dad told me to do so, and when morocco red Jag came home, dad was first to sit on passanger seat. What a time to remember we had that day. In september we will have a road trip to Croatia. There is phenomenal road down the coast. Daimler will enjoy it and do what it was made for long time ago. My son will stay at home to enjoy that great BMW infotainmemt together with his teen friends.
Engine.. "... part of the driving experience...". As I recall from back then, the fact that De Tomaso's had big American V8's was a primary reason why moto-journo types looked down on these cars. They weren't Italian V8's or V12's. Basically the opinions were that De Tomasos just didn't have 'breeding' or 'class'. Must admit, I was never very keen on the revised styling of the XJ6 Series 2 and 3, from the mid/late 70's. Compared to the Mk1 XJ6. I owned a 10 year old one in 1979. An utter revelation to me.
Yes, also It was not that well known as a company, and due to the deal made with Ford they sold their cars through the Lincoln-Mercury dealers in America, which also did not help.
Yea, so what if they're reliable? Prats.
They'd rather see an unreliable quirky V12 that won't start half the time. Lol
Objective quality has nothing to do with it, it is just a fact of life when it comes to exclusivity in the auto world that making your own engine is a must. Cars like the Jensen, Bristol, Monteverdi, Iso, and DeTomaso will never ever be as valuable or exclusive as an Aston Martin, Ferrari, or Lamborghini.
Chris Harris said recently that Maserati is "unkillable", but it's true Mr De Tomaso helped a lot. We thank him for that.
But what a weird car.
The Museo delle Auto della Polizia in Rome has a unique armoured Deauville. It apparently was gifted by DeTomaso to the authorities and was used to ferry top-ranking officials during the 70s
Interesting info! E grazie anche per i tuoi video che guardo regolarmente.. l’ultimo sulla x1/9 per ricerca visto che domani faccio un video su una 1500 del 79! Saluti!
I drive a TDV8 L322 Range Rover the year after Ford redeveloped the BMW design. I love it as a car, extreme comfort and the imperious driving position.
I own a 1986 Maserati Quatroporte III (Which I'd like to get back from my mechanic) and it had been bullet proof for more than 10 years before I took it in for a respray and it never came back! More a problem of my mechanic and not the fault of the car. Thanks for this review, I've known of the Deauville, just never saw one reviewed like this. Good work Number 27! 🙂 I look forward to more.
Thanks Jack, another take on the 'Gentleman's Express'. Bit odd looking, but has presence. Good Maserati info to! 🙏
Cheers chap!
There was a very long waiting list for the first Jaguar Xj6's (of which I've owned a couple), in 1968, for a very good reason. They were still leading the field 15 years later, for a very good reason.
That's typical for British Leyland at the times, when they well had a success on their hand, they literally couldn't build enough of them to meet the enormous demand, like the XJ6 and the Range Rover.
That looks incredible. I would love to tour the country with the family in that!
Hello from New Zealand.
Thanks and hello back to beautiful
NZ!
Always liked them - and the early Longchamps without the silly wheel arches. With a Ford V8, they were intended when new as daily drivers, but way cooler than Jags / Mercs etc. The trouble now is that they are so expensive, not least because of rarity.
Great to see something so unusual on the road. Very nice.
Oh man I want one of those sooo bad... I love pretty much everything De Tomaso ever did. And I don't think they're that mad, for an Italian car they're just the right amount of mad.
Center arm rest is the same as in my 1989 Maserati 228. Seats look similar as well.
Coming from India, I haven't heard about this manufacturer before. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you for watching and a big wave to India 🇮🇳!!
Never seen this car before, thank you showing us this :)
I still haven't seen one 'in the metal', but always liked the look of the Deauville. I would have to convert it to a manual 'box, though :)
I have a 1/43 model.
How boring life would be without people like de tomaso
I love the aesthetic of this car, beautiful ❤
Jack, an E type Jag has the front bumper attached to the forward hinged bonnet, so it moves with the bonnet. That's a nice looking vehicle, don't believe I've ever seen one before.
I've never seen a fair review of one of these before, just "bad Jaguar copy." Thank you for this, I learned a lot!
A very cool and special car indeed. Have a soft spot for those kind of elegant but very sporty sedans. Another one in the row would be the Quattroporte or Lagonda. Would love to see more of those cars in a channel, bit tired of the sports car stuff out there. Refreshing car review Jack!
There was also a 5-speed manual option, although probably very few were made. That should be more of a driver's car! Also in the interior I could spot some components that made it unchanged to the Maserati Biturbo, such as the soft leather "arm cushion" between the front seats, and the door panel leather and wood trim looks identical to the Maserati 228i from 1987...
A very cool car one i knew nothing about so great to see it in action .
So glad I came across this review! What an amazing and rare vehicle, with a great, reliable engine and an incredibly comfortable and plush looking interior.
One of the best looking cars I've seen - both exterior and interior.
Thank you for a great video.
Loving these sorts of vehicles I'd love to see a review and hear your thoughts on the Longchamp. I purchased a 1983 model about 8 years ago and find it very comfortable and with superb handling and performance for its time. It's just so low to the ground, raised driveways or spoon drains can prove catastrophic!
Thank you, great car and great content!
Man what a beautiful car! Gorgeous
Nice video. Always loved the Longchamp
It sounds lovely and i really like the look of it, especially the front end but then i love old Fiats which this has some similarities with. I think it's the round lights that do it for
Best pronunciation of "Quattroporte" I've ever heard from a non-native. and great video overall!