I remember someone commented that "The KMT decided that it's better to rule to country sometimes than not at all" is why Taiwan's ruling party started elections
Despite its turbulent past, I am happy that Taiwan has finally found the light and its citizens can now enjoy democracy. I support Taiwan and many Brazilians do too. Xi Jinping has to stop bullying Taiwan and find something better to do, something good for a change. 🇧🇷🇹🇼
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan. Stop it with this wishy washy nonsense.
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan.
@@alanywalany6460 this just isn't true. any country worth their salt and cares about freedom sees taiwan as a separate nation from the evil communist china
As a Taiwanese and a five years diehard fan of King and Generals ,I'm very happy to see my favorite History RUclipsr making a video which is talking about my lonely country.I want to represent all Taiwanese to thank you for all you guys support,Taiwan has stunning scenery and warm human touch that are worth visiting,I sincerely invite you guys come to Formosa and experience this beautiful island.We have our own government,democratic election,and we our not a part of China.Thanks for all support and we will stay strong against the invasion and strong enemies, Taiwan is the front line of democracy.
I'm waiting for some random little pink wumaos to chine in and proclaim " Taiwan ISLAND is a province of Chai-nah!!! " To which I will shout out, "🎵🎵 BOOOORRRRINNNG 🎵🎵 Just can your nonsense, bud! Go lie flat like a leek" 😂😂
You don't represent the people who support the KMT and pan-Blue parties because they do think that Taiwan is a part of China. The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan. Stop it with this wishy washy nonsense.
You don't represent the people who support the KMT and pan-Blue parties because they do think that Taiwan is a part of China. The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan.
Through my work I am lucky enough to visit your country quite regularly, indeed will be visiting again in a couple of months and couldn't agree more. I'm really shocked by how hidden it is as a country in terms of people visiting it, it is wonderful, however the very best bit are the people, I have, on my travels to quite a few counties never met a group of people that are as genuinely nice and unique. I really hope whatever happens moving forward you are able to maintain that... All that being said I truly hate your food!
@@vitorpereira9515 😡 eu não aceito isso. Agora vai ter corrida armamentista de quem vai doutrinar mais gringos pra torcer pro Flamengo ou pro tricolor (São Paulo)👍🏽🟥⬛ (Edit)
It's great to see support for Taiwan as an independent country. We must support Taiwan's independence, especially with the Chinese government constantly denying it's independence. I dread the day China tried to invade Taiwan.
Unfortunately, the president of United States stated that the U.S. does not support Taiwan independence. I bet that Trump will trade Taiwan for great benefit from China. So yeah to the U.S. 🎉
@ no, American guarantees nothing, only urges peace across the straight. U.S. is by no means guarantees Taiwan independence cause that would mean a potential war with nuclear power.
Next video: How South Korea became a Democracy It will be nice to know how South Korea also transition from a military dictatorship to one of Asia's most democratic country
In short, Taiwan democratized because the KMT thought it had a better chance of staying in power via arranging democratization itself such that it could make the electoral system benefit its electoral chances
Not really, while it is true Chiang Ching-Kuo decides to democratize so the party can survive, since KMT rule in Taiwan was facing ever stronger challenge internationally and domestically. But the mainlander and their descendants don't see it that way, they still wish to cling on to the old ways for as long as it can last. Luckily Lee Teng-hui, Chiang's successor, was a shrewd politician that managed to only sideline the old guards and controls the party and military ensuring his ability to push for changes. So Lee's action led to KMT's survival, yet he was eventually kick out of the party he saved.
Hope you guys talk about Taiwan during the European colonisation, as a territory of the Qing dynasty and Japan, during the civil war. And eventually released as a compilation vide👍
The japanese had some huge air bases there during WW2.The U.S.Navy pounded those airfields in the spring if 45.The U.S. navy also attacked saigon,and other cities all up and down the coast of vietnam,before returning to their base at Ulithe.Thanks for the video.
I love your channel, but you missed out on where the name Formosa came from,and failed to talk about the huge force of japanese soldiers and airmen who were there during WW2 and after.Thanks for the video.
Taiwan's journey from an agrarian society to an industrial powerhouse, combined with its peaceful democratic transition in the 1990s, serves as a model for developing countries. Key factors include substantial investments in education, strong institutions, and the rule of law, illustrating that economic growth and democratic governance can coexist and reinforce each other.
As a big fan of this channel but very familiar with this part of the world, just 10 seconds into the video: Tiananmen Square on the night of *July* (rather than June) 3rd, 1989?!?! I'm sorry but the mistake there makes me question everything I've watched here previously - please edit and reupload...
Honestly there is no hope in China if you are honest enough. Chinese people might not like CCP, but they are nationalists who love and want China as a bullying world power. It is very vomiting to read how history books in China glorify Han and Tang Empires, Kangxi Emperor, the Confucius etc.
It's such an important history to learn about. It is such an achievement. Taiwan used to be a brutal bloody dictatorship like Pinochet and was/is controlled by cooperating Taiwanese Triads. You must imagine how a government that just won the defense against Japanese invasion war could become so unpopular that huge amount of the population abandoned them and followed the communists. Usually, someone who wins the defensive war would become hero but Taiwan's KMT and its dictator was so corrupt that the alternative as the better option. So KMT fled to Taiwan and established a brutal bloody dictatorship, mass murdering indigeneous people and other chinese who opposed them and put educated women in torture camps. Many decades later, the next dictator finally decided to give democracy a chance.
KMT was less bloody than CCP but it had always been bloody even before fleeing to Taiwan. It is a mistake to consider KMT heroically won the second Sino-Japanese War. It is also a mistake to consider the Chinese people were united to fight against the Japanese invader. Chinese nationalism didn't reach rural areas during that time and I dare to say most Chinese in the rural area didn't identify themselves as Chinese. Don't forget most Chinese people lived in the countryside too. As such, it was very hard for KMT to mobilize Chinese to fight the war. KMT was extremely brutal in conscription. They just caught people and threw them on the battlefield without proper training and equipment. There were cities that the Chinese people actually welcomed the Japanese invaders to take control. It is better to consider the second Sino-Japanese War as KMT-Japanese war and the Chinese people were enslaved by both. At times KMT were less welcomed by the Chinese among the two.
@@janisfok8848 The KMT in mainland era was actually a "big tent" composed of war lords without strong central controlling. Therefore, the military under warlords usually had bad military discipline, and the "catching people" (抓壯丁) usually happened under the area controlled by these warlords. On the other hand, Chiang's core troops with Whampoa military academy origin usually had much better military discipline.
@@janisfok8848 Actually, I think that is the other way around. I have to correct what you mentioned about 「catching people，抓壯丁」 which is biased by some CCP fake prapaganda.
Has somebody was born in the sixties, I would say that Taiwan has always been in the conversation. It's only become an important issue again because we've moved so much of our vital semiconductor Manufacturing there.
@@molochiit's more so large companies won't talk about Taiwan, or they loose bussiness in China, I assume K&G isn't owned by some large international government
This West Taiwan joke isn’t very popular in Taiwan and the video has explained why. We are crafting our own identity and have no interest in any claim over China, its culture, its land or its people.
@@admiraltiberius1989 ah yes, using our country to make a political statement but it’s not about us. Do you not see why this could be viewed as ignorant and patronizing?
Super interesting topic and a though one to sum up in a 30 minute video! Wondering if maybe early in the post civil war there could be a chance for a compromise between KMT and CCP by dropping claim on mainland China in order for them to drop the one on Taiwan. Not that it would really matter for China today, Taiwan strait is too strategic
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan. Stop it with this wishy washy nonsense.
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan.
@@kylewilliams3031 Why don't the governments recognize Taiwan as a different entity then? Besides, the Taiwanese opposition considers themselves part of China, that's kind of a massive big deal you know? No ofc you don't
Well, that shows your government is not ignorant as you are. Cause the government of Taiwan is literally called Republic of China. So what you are calling for is to give 2 seats of representation to China in the UN.
@@Commonlogicguy1 - I seriously doubt that if Taiwan were seeking formal recognition of its independence that it would simultaneously still claim to be the government of China, seeing as how those two things are diametrically opposed in Taiwanese politics. 2 - both Koreas have representation, despite both claiming to be the legitimate government of all Korea. 3 - as if an independent Taiwan and the PRC would vote the same way in the UN
@ 1.well all of the remaining countries with diplomatic relations to ROC recognizes it as representative for all of China, not Taiwan as an independent country. Also the constitution of ROC also still claim as representative of China. So it’s not about what you think but what is officially recognized. 2. Korea are split as two countries because they are recognized internationally as 2. countries. Taiwan is not, that is the difference. If you disagree the. Name a country that recognizes Taiwan as independent country, not part of China. 3. Well PRC had a different world view as ROC before 1971. That didn’t stop ROC representing all of China did it?
@@Commonlogicguy Taiwan continues to claim to be the ROC officially because Beijing has made it clear that they would consider Taiwan not doing that to be invasion worthy, so if Taiwan were seeking formal recognition, it would almost certainly be as 'Taiwan', a completely separate nation from China, not as the ROC. Everything else you said is just circular logic that can be paraphrased as 'they don't recognise it this way because it isn't this way. It isn't this way because nobody recognises it this way'. I highly encourage you to actually look into the nuances of the geopolitics at hand here before trying to pull a 'gatcha' technicality that isn't even correct
@ right, it’s like Scotland claiming to be independent but don’t want to officially because of the consequences. Therefore, just have to believe it is independent. Even US claims to not supporting Taiwan independence on its Secretary of State web site. All of the official document and law states that Taiwan is part of China legally. So really, who is not seeing the actual fact? Just by repeating you believe doesn’t make it true.
As a (former) mainland Chinese, i have to say Taiwan 🇹🇼 is one to talk about democracy and freedom. Sure the CCP regime wasn’t any better but the White Terror and anti-communist persecution just shows no matter what government exist, oppression and corruption exist,
While that is true, no state has ever been perfect from the get go. Sweden was considered little more than a poor, backwater country with illerated and corrupt people and that is just some 200+ years ago. It is the choices and institutional development one chooses in order to make a society better that counts, not what it once was or has been.
Thanks for the video. Now this is what China could/should have been (if mao had decency to perish early(post-ww2) and ccp was disbanded). Tho to be fair, Taiwan does sounds like something with gravitas. Speaking of Taiwan, kid me(25ish years ago) remembers seeing only once "made in taiwan" on a product, it was a very durable one to their credit.
Up until this time it was common for academics etc. in the west to say a thriving democracy could never really take hold in Asian because of collectivist societies, similar to how todays academics and talking heads say democracy can't survive with Islam, anyway the point is, Taiwan and S. Korea, at around this time in the 90's through massive demonstrations proved them wrong and became thriving democracies.
Taiwan is a geographical term, the name of its government is called Republic of China, its country is China. That is the current international understanding as defined by UN and every government around the world.
This is depending on who you ask. I think most people in Taiwan dislike/mistrust/loathe mainland China just because of the current CCP autocratic institution in the Chinese mainland, while some people in Taiwan may dislike/mistrust/loathe mainland just because of hatress and their personal identity.
Taiwan's KMT and Chiang Kai-Shek did attempt to re-invade Mainland China, planned during the 70s. They made preparation for the invasion but were ultimately stopped bc the USA didn't want to back them. Taiwan kept its ambition to reconquer China by force until they realised mainland China has become too consolidated and powerful in 1990.
You are right that Chiang's government wanted to retake mainland China from the communists until the late 1970s, due to Chiang Kai-shek's death and the United States wanting to establish official diplomatic relations with the PRC.
They may have had a chance during the Cultural Revolution if the internal purges and witch hunting led to defections. But ironically, due to Mao's ideological furver, and desire to lead the Communist world, they became enemies with the USSR, which eventually led to the PRC getting warm to the USA.
Is it also a thing where the descendants of mainland Chinese nationalists who came to Taiwan intermarried with the native populations to create a more blended society or do they typically stay within their own communities?
They are preety mixed now, especially their decedents, but they used to not be, and quite hostile towards each other. Almost like they were 2 races. Even now, some areas of a city, or whole towns, are obviously inhabited by them. They still almost all vote for the KMT, and are typically more warm to China.
KOXINGA WAS NOT A PIRATE he was a ming loyalist and considered his territory to be part of ming it is also inacurate the ww2 map the Japanese never ruled all ofshanxi nor did the ccp join japan if that's what the map was pointing to 7:08 it rules to much land it's like it was poorly drawn
Koxinga was a pirate and he was also half Japanese. He was an oppurtunist who used "Ming Loyalism" to establish his own state, vassal state but still a state, in Taiwan.
My intuition is right when I watch the beginning of this video😏. That is, this episode is sponsored by our administrative authority 😂 which is currently controlled by Democratic Progressive Party (DPP). I have to admit the contents are mostly right. However, the view and the historical background omitted, such as omitting "27 Brigade in February 28 incident", using "Feb 28 uprise" to replace "Feb 28 incident", etc., are still making me feel the contents are in DPP's favour. Moreover, the parts close to the end of the video looks heavily biased to pro-DPP view without the mentioning of the complex society, political polarization, and corruption of DPP government. Let me illustrate this by a simple policy recently executed by our beloved great leading party "Democratic Progressive Party". They just replaced the the name of Hokkien from 臺灣閩南語 (Taiwanese Southern Min) to 臺灣台語 (Taiwanese Taiwanese) in the education system and the services such as the dictionaries maintained by the government. This is extremely disrespectful to those people speaking Taiwanese Hakka, Taiwanese indigenous Austronesian languages, and other languages. Why only those Hoklo Taiwanese with ancestors from southern Fujian in Chinese mainland in recent 400 years get this privilege to call their language as Taiwanese, and what about those Taiwanese indigenous Austronesian people who lives in this island for over several thousand years? Democratic Progressive Party government tend to adopt radical policies to curry favor for its extreme right wing supporters now. They are saying cultural diversity but actually doing a Hokklo chauvinism with Hokkien previlege. How irony that is! The oppressed people in the past now become the new oppressors. 😂😂😂
Why does the video implement the opinion, that Taiwan is an independent nation, if it‘s officially not even recognised by the US or other major Western powers of influence? I think, history should always be kept neutrally, no matter what the actual political situation is like.
@@zombieoverlord5173 Then the US and all states of the world should recognise it 🤣. Taiwan was always a part of China since the Ming Dynasty. It's a part of China with exclusive rights of self government.
@OctavianAugustusEmpire Most world governments don't because of politics. China is an important trade partner for most countries and has threatened any country that would recognize Taiwan as a country. It's nor more part of China than America is England. They are not an extension of China, they are their own nation state. Why would you threaten to invade your own country?
So many lies in this video. The aboriginal people of Taiwan are the most loyal KMT supporters in every election, Taitung and Hualien are the most pro-KMT in modern Taiwanese politics. The Japanese colonialists and the local ethnically Han Taiwanese people brutally suppressed the aboriginal people during Japanese colonial period. The nationalists established local liaison offices in the 50s in these mountainous regions to better serve the aboriginal community and the lingering effect is that these communities always heavily vote blue in elections. Similarly, Hakka people and the mainlanders population also tilts blue in most elections.
I wish they kept the name "Republic of China". It would be a hard reminder to the mainlanders what they could become if they have democracy. I understand that distancing itself and creating your own distinct culture and presence increases the odds of it being acknowledged as an independent nation. It's just sad to see a country having to change its name because another bigger country decided that it wants the name too.
@jordandino417 I know they do. I mean make others use the name more, like Turkey changing their name to Turkiye. Other countries always refer to it as Taiwan but I'd rather have them call it the ROC or the republic of China.
@@ayomri1914 The government that rules over Taiwan still calls itself the 'Republic of China'. One reason that most Taiwanese people prefer that their country be called Taiwan instead of Republic of China (at least on a daily basis) is because most Taiwanese are benshengren (ethnic Han Chinese whose ancestors have been living in Taiwan before 1895) and they believe that Taiwan has had its own distinct and separate identity from mainland China since 1895, the same year that Japan first took control of Taiwan. In addition to that, these Taiwanese believe that the 'Republic of China' label is a foreign imposition that was forced upon the benshengren by Chiang Kai-shek and his gang of waishengren (mainland Chinese who resettled in Taiwan after 1945, as well as their descendants).
Slightly inaccurate and misleading in one small part that isn't well known. Despite Japan's rule, the island of what was still known as Formosa at the time retained large autonomy into the early 1920s, with the Japanese ruling class giving out local authority to the native chieftains or Chinese and Japanese settlements with moderate amounts of autonomy. However, as the 1920s progressed and Nationalism rose, Japan removed Formosa's autonomy fully and destroyed the tribes forever, making Formosa's identity lost to Japanese Irredentism.
Actually no. There was no autonomy whatsoever, the first 20 years was a military government, which sees plenty of unrest. It was only when the military government was changed to civil one that unrest began to cease. What you are saying I assume was the Japanisation or kominka movement during the 1930s which ask for Taiwanese to have Japanese name and dress and act like Japanese, as militarism in Japan took control.
@@muic4880 Actually, yes. I'm not referencing to the official government of Formosa, the military governate that ruled over Formosa. localized autonomy did in fact exist usually in the form of city autonomy with councils that de facto ruled under the military government, which were semi-democratically elected. the Japnisation movement only caused more unrest in Formosa.
You failed to mention that Lee Teng-hui is more Japanese than anything else. The man spoke better Japanese than Mandarin and has declared numerous times that he views "Japanese and Taiwanese as one people". He also stated that Nanking and Comfort Women is fake history by China and Korea and he supported Japan's claim to the Sankaku Islands
It’s called Republic of China, the original legal China who represented China on the UN Security Council from 1944 to 1974. It ain’t Taiwan you are misinformed
North Korea isn't called North Korea. It's called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Official names and more common names exist for nations you know
@@gratefuldeadly7899 The name 'Republic of China' only applies to the government, whilst the name Taiwan is used because the island of Taiwan makes up the majority of territory that is currently controlled by the ROC government.
At the local level, I seriously doubt Taiwan is "Asia's healthiest democracies." Don't just pay attention to the presidential election. The president is important but he is just one person in the whole system.
@@ccjessicahung Gangsters are heavily involved in local politics in Taiwan. This is a very Chinese thing indeed. KMT historically had and still currently have lots of gang members. I simply state a fact that westerners usually ignore. I'm not sure what all these rankings consider. There is no need to defend Taiwan in your way when another person simply states a fact which Taiwanese themselves know well.
@@Nathan-jh1ho What I wanted to say is local politics in Taiwan have quite a lot of gang's involvement. I do not mean local elections are completely or partly manipulated.
Essentially what separates korea and taiwan from other dictatorships is that both came in opposition against their communist counterparts and claim dominion over the other. Both democratized around the same time in the 1980s cause the u.s stopped backing their dictatorship and were losing economically to their communist neighbors. China was industrializing and reopening to the world gaining billions in investment,meanwhile north korea had a higher industry and was more stable than south korea at the time. All four were dictatorships, but at the time the communist were winning. Perhaps lee knew that it wasnt even about freedom for taiwanese people but that democratizing was the only way to make a separation between taiwan and mainland china because that was the only way to maintain power at this point. Luckily for him, it paid off.
No dictatorship endures forever, and the same can be said about democratic regimes. Change always come, in a way or another, as long there is people ready to fight for it.
by force though. there are many differences between the mandarin spoken in the mainland and in Taiwan, to the point you can definitely tell where the speaker is from. also, there is quite the vibrant mother tongue movement advocating for returning to the true natural languages of the Taiwanese people.
60% of the population prefer to be called Taiwanese instead of Chinese; and over 90% of the group under 30 believe that Taiwan is an independent country. So get lost, Chinese little pinks.
@@hudsonylinliked your argument but the fact that Taiwanese now a days still reject the revival of their non-imposed languages as daily vernacular ones is also pretty shocking that they are seeking no maximization of differentiation from the Chinese and other peoples who pull out this kind of argument above.
@@Rafaelparabellvm Yeah... I'd say a lot of it is the education system still focusing on Chinese Mandarin pronunciation, and the modern Chinese government and Chinese cultural influence that's blocking "Taiwanese Mandarin" from becoming truly its own circle. such are the disadvantages of having a mutually intelligible language with the Chinese...
@@hudsonylin you didn’t get my point on “non-imposed” languages, which Mandarin is totally excluded by being imposed by a governing body in the exile from China instead of being a carried over natural language except for the refugees from the 1949. Meanwhile Taiwanese mandarin is still and always will be Mandarin. Mandarin in a linguistic context has been standardized by where the language is originated/created, northern China. When you get Taiwanese, Hakka, Austronesian languages to put in practice and daily usage which Taiwanese refuse and avoid to do so even to feel shameful about. And don’t forget, an accent doesn’t define a language. In China there are many different mandarin accents and by the standard, your beloved Taiwanese accent is only one of them, not even that different. And that brings to the maximum differentiation in the linguistic identity aspect I argued which Taiwanese put very little effort into.
The real reason for and foundation of the democracy in Taiwan (the Republic of China) is its Constitution, which was drafted and implemented in 1947 after WWII. It remains effective to this day.
I wish I could remember that lady's name who was quoted saying that she wanted to create an uprising (essentially to ruin the CCP) and that it was also proven that she in was in bed with the US and it's Alphabet Bois agencies backed by US capital.
@@ccjessicahung Chinese? Little Pink? What are you talking about? I'm neither Chinese, little or pink. Have you got any arguments or are you just gonna be dogwhistling?
Wrong merit for KMT. They are not democracy promoters now a days but Chinese agents for the communist party who they share the same national identity with. Stripping the political differences, they are both Chinese and so even many are living in Taiwan, actually don’t identify themselves as Taiwanese. It’s a shame and ridiculousness that after all these mentioned in the video, there are still Taiwanese people supporting the KMT when the mentioned political entity is still existing if not thriving in many local elections and governances.
I remember someone commented that
"The KMT decided that it's better to rule to country sometimes than not at all" is why Taiwan's ruling party started elections
Slava TSMC 🇹🇼 Heroyam Taiwanese 🦾
Thank you guys for making videos about Taiwan’s history.
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Mongolia also transitioned to Democracy peacefully on 1990. Thank heavens for leaders who value their people.
Has Mongolia have a party change since then? Seems like the same party just keep winning landslide?
Fear their ppl. Not value
Despite its turbulent past, I am happy that Taiwan has finally found the light and its citizens can now enjoy democracy. I support Taiwan and many Brazilians do too. Xi Jinping has to stop bullying Taiwan and find something better to do, something good for a change. 🇧🇷🇹🇼
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan. Stop it with this wishy washy nonsense.
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan.
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@alanywalany6460 Five countries? It seems the pay from Xi is so low that they can only afford to hire someone who can't even count.
@@alanywalany6460 this just isn't true. any country worth their salt and cares about freedom sees taiwan as a separate nation from the evil communist china
As a Taiwanese and a five years diehard fan of King and Generals ,I'm very happy to see my favorite History RUclipsr making a video which is talking about my lonely country.I want to represent all Taiwanese to thank you for all you guys support,Taiwan has stunning scenery and warm human touch that are worth visiting,I sincerely invite you guys come to Formosa and experience this beautiful island.We have our own government,democratic election,and we our not a part of China.Thanks for all support and we will stay strong against the invasion and strong enemies, Taiwan is the front line of democracy.
@@Chriscc-l1b Hear, hear!
I'm waiting for some random little pink wumaos to chine in and proclaim " Taiwan ISLAND is a province of Chai-nah!!! "
To which I will shout out, "🎵🎵 BOOOORRRRINNNG 🎵🎵
Just can your nonsense, bud! Go lie flat like a leek" 😂😂
You don't represent the people who support the KMT and pan-Blue parties because they do think that Taiwan is a part of China. The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan. Stop it with this wishy washy nonsense.
You don't represent the people who support the KMT and pan-Blue parties because they do think that Taiwan is a part of China. The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan.
Through my work I am lucky enough to visit your country quite regularly, indeed will be visiting again in a couple of months and couldn't agree more. I'm really shocked by how hidden it is as a country in terms of people visiting it, it is wonderful, however the very best bit are the people, I have, on my travels to quite a few counties never met a group of people that are as genuinely nice and unique. I really hope whatever happens moving forward you are able to maintain that... All that being said I truly hate your food!
I don't know why but something tells me this video is not going to get many vievws in China😛
They don't have RUclips there
Xi thinking about part 2 of this episode: back to a dictatorship 😂
Wait for it and before too long lots of little pinks with vpns will be all over this thread.
@@creauspssrb627True😢 Also True/ The Chinese People know how to get around the internet w/ancient gnosis❤😂❤
But it WILL be getting a lot of comments (negative ones from China)
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American here. We got your back if Xi fancies himself a Putin.
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Winnie The Poo clicked on this video just to dislike it
And defenders of both sides cheering in the comments.
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@@birolaPássaro234Eu torço para o São Paulo.
@@vitorpereira9515 😡 eu não aceito isso.
Agora vai ter corrida armamentista de quem vai doutrinar mais gringos pra torcer pro Flamengo ou pro tricolor (São Paulo)👍🏽🟥⬛
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It's great to see support for Taiwan as an independent country. We must support Taiwan's independence, especially with the Chinese government constantly denying it's independence. I dread the day China tried to invade Taiwan.
Unfortunately, the president of United States stated that the U.S. does not support Taiwan independence. I bet that Trump will trade Taiwan for great benefit from China. So yeah to the U.S. 🎉
@Commonlogicguy That's the unfortunate stance most nations are taking on Taiwan...
@Commonlogicguy What? America guarantees Taiwan's independence.
@ no, American guarantees nothing, only urges peace across the straight. U.S. is by no means guarantees Taiwan independence cause that would mean a potential war with nuclear power.
Next video: How South Korea became a Democracy
It will be nice to know how South Korea also transition from a military dictatorship to one of Asia's most democratic country
This was a good video. Thank you.
It would be better if you guys also talk about Taiwan's economic miracle next.
At some point
The miracle of US investment dump so they look better than China
@@KingsandGenerals Can you please do a video on South Korea's transition to democracy as well?
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This was great!!! Please more on East Asian history!!!
May Taiwan be peaceful and prosperous in these uncertain times
Freedom always to Taiwan 🇹🇼
In short, Taiwan democratized because the KMT thought it had a better chance of staying in power via arranging democratization itself such that it could make the electoral system benefit its electoral chances
Not really, while it is true Chiang Ching-Kuo decides to democratize so the party can survive, since KMT rule in Taiwan was facing ever stronger challenge internationally and domestically. But the mainlander and their descendants don't see it that way, they still wish to cling on to the old ways for as long as it can last.
Luckily Lee Teng-hui, Chiang's successor, was a shrewd politician that managed to only sideline the old guards and controls the party and military ensuring his ability to push for changes. So Lee's action led to KMT's survival, yet he was eventually kick out of the party he saved.
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Remember kids, Taiwan has never been part of the People’s Republic of China.
But it is part of China under governance of Republican of China.
But it is part of China governed by Republic of China.
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Hope you guys talk about Taiwan during the European colonisation, as a territory of the Qing dynasty and Japan, during the civil war. And eventually released as a compilation vide👍
The japanese had some huge air bases there during WW2.The U.S.Navy pounded those airfields in the spring if 45.The U.S. navy also attacked saigon,and other cities all up and down the coast of vietnam,before returning to their base at Ulithe.Thanks for the video.
EXCELLENT AS ALWAYS
A very good video, good explanation of Island of taiwans past, even speaking as your enemy.
I would love to see more videos on countries' modern history
Small Error: 4:02 Tibet and Mongolia are under the Qing at this time?
I love your channel, but you missed out on where the name Formosa came from,and failed to talk about the huge force of japanese soldiers and airmen who were there during WW2 and after.Thanks for the video.
Taiwan's journey from an agrarian society to an industrial powerhouse, combined with its peaceful democratic transition in the 1990s, serves as a model for developing countries. Key factors include substantial investments in education, strong institutions, and the rule of law, illustrating that economic growth and democratic governance can coexist and reinforce each other.
As a big fan of this channel but very familiar with this part of the world, just 10 seconds into the video: Tiananmen Square on the night of *July* (rather than June) 3rd, 1989?!?! I'm sorry but the mistake there makes me question everything I've watched here previously - please edit and reupload...
Yes serious mistake
perhaps he meant the protests? they lasted for several months
@@tonypringles2285 The protests began earlier in the year, and were suppressed in Beijing on June 4th
In darkest night,there is still light of hope. Salutations to all who have contributed themselves to liberty of people.
-a viewer from China mainland
Honestly there is no hope in China if you are honest enough. Chinese people might not like CCP, but they are nationalists who love and want China as a bullying world power. It is very vomiting to read how history books in China glorify Han and Tang Empires, Kangxi Emperor, the Confucius etc.
This gonna trigger a lot of West Taiwanese😅
Another banger from Leo Stein
It's such an important history to learn about. It is such an achievement. Taiwan used to be a brutal bloody dictatorship like Pinochet and was/is controlled by cooperating Taiwanese Triads. You must imagine how a government that just won the defense against Japanese invasion war could become so unpopular that huge amount of the population abandoned them and followed the communists. Usually, someone who wins the defensive war would become hero but Taiwan's KMT and its dictator was so corrupt that the alternative as the better option. So KMT fled to Taiwan and established a brutal bloody dictatorship, mass murdering indigeneous people and other chinese who opposed them and put educated women in torture camps. Many decades later, the next dictator finally decided to give democracy a chance.
KMT was less bloody than CCP but it had always been bloody even before fleeing to Taiwan. It is a mistake to consider KMT heroically won the second Sino-Japanese War. It is also a mistake to consider the Chinese people were united to fight against the Japanese invader. Chinese nationalism didn't reach rural areas during that time and I dare to say most Chinese in the rural area didn't identify themselves as Chinese. Don't forget most Chinese people lived in the countryside too. As such, it was very hard for KMT to mobilize Chinese to fight the war. KMT was extremely brutal in conscription. They just caught people and threw them on the battlefield without proper training and equipment. There were cities that the Chinese people actually welcomed the Japanese invaders to take control. It is better to consider the second Sino-Japanese War as KMT-Japanese war and the Chinese people were enslaved by both. At times KMT were less welcomed by the Chinese among the two.
@@janisfok8848 The KMT in mainland era was actually a "big tent" composed of war lords without strong central controlling. Therefore, the military under warlords usually had bad military discipline, and the "catching people" (抓壯丁) usually happened under the area controlled by these warlords. On the other hand, Chiang's core troops with Whampoa military academy origin usually had much better military discipline.
@@穆宇穹 You read too much CCP's fake narrative. I have to intention to correct you.
@@janisfok8848 Actually, I think that is the other way around. I have to correct what you mentioned about 「catching people，抓壯丁」 which is biased by some CCP fake prapaganda.
Here before all the CCP shills! ;D
Here after the reactionary shills
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Times are changing looks like people are no longer scared to talk about Taiwan anymore, Nice
Has somebody was born in the sixties, I would say that Taiwan has always been in the conversation. It's only become an important issue again because we've moved so much of our vital semiconductor Manufacturing there.
@@molochiit's more so large companies won't talk about Taiwan, or they loose bussiness in China, I assume K&G isn't owned by some large international government
This video is gonna make West Taiwan very angry.
Which is a good thing....so please....continue.
China being angry and not being friendly with the rest of the world is not a good thing. It's better for us to be friends with them then enemies.
This West Taiwan joke isn’t very popular in Taiwan and the video has explained why. We are crafting our own identity and have no interest in any claim over China, its culture, its land or its people.
@Jombozeus it's not really about Taiwan
@@admiraltiberius1989 ah yes, using our country to make a political statement but it’s not about us. Do you not see why this could be viewed as ignorant and patronizing?
@@Jombozeus i couldn't really care less to be frank.
Taiwanese here still not asleep 🤣🤣
Thanks to Kings and Generals for this clip!!!
Super interesting topic and a though one to sum up in a 30 minute video!
Wondering if maybe early in the post civil war there could be a chance for a compromise between KMT and CCP by dropping claim on mainland China in order for them to drop the one on Taiwan.
Not that it would really matter for China today, Taiwan strait is too strategic
Daily reminder : Taiwan is a free and independent country.
Have a nice day :)
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan. Stop it with this wishy washy nonsense.
The entire Western world considers Taiwan a part of China. There are about 5 countries that recognize the Republic of China, and they recognize it as the ruler of all of China, not just Taiwan.
@@alanywalany6460 Liar!
@@alanywalany6460doesn’t mean anything. We may not officially recognize Taiwan. Unofficially we do.
@@kylewilliams3031 Why don't the governments recognize Taiwan as a different entity then? Besides, the Taiwanese opposition considers themselves part of China, that's kind of a massive big deal you know? No ofc you don't
Can you do the chaco war documentary next please i believe its one of the most forgotten wars in south america.
"FIN prob42" Nice.
i dont get it
Great documentary!
Taiwan should declare independence and be admitted to UN. As Finn I'm deeply ashamed of my country's non recognition of Taiwan.
Well, that shows your government is not ignorant as you are. Cause the government of Taiwan is literally called Republic of China. So what you are calling for is to give 2 seats of representation to China in the UN.
@@Commonlogicguy1 - I seriously doubt that if Taiwan were seeking formal recognition of its independence that it would simultaneously still claim to be the government of China, seeing as how those two things are diametrically opposed in Taiwanese politics. 2 - both Koreas have representation, despite both claiming to be the legitimate government of all Korea. 3 - as if an independent Taiwan and the PRC would vote the same way in the UN
@ 1.well all of the remaining countries with diplomatic relations to ROC recognizes it as representative for all of China, not Taiwan as an independent country. Also the constitution of ROC also still claim as representative of China. So it’s not about what you think but what is officially recognized. 2. Korea are split as two countries because they are recognized internationally as 2. countries. Taiwan is not, that is the difference. If you disagree the. Name a country that recognizes Taiwan as independent country, not part of China. 3. Well PRC had a different world view as ROC before 1971. That didn’t stop ROC representing all of China did it?
@@Commonlogicguy Taiwan continues to claim to be the ROC officially because Beijing has made it clear that they would consider Taiwan not doing that to be invasion worthy, so if Taiwan were seeking formal recognition, it would almost certainly be as 'Taiwan', a completely separate nation from China, not as the ROC. Everything else you said is just circular logic that can be paraphrased as 'they don't recognise it this way because it isn't this way. It isn't this way because nobody recognises it this way'. I highly encourage you to actually look into the nuances of the geopolitics at hand here before trying to pull a 'gatcha' technicality that isn't even correct
@ right, it’s like Scotland claiming to be independent but don’t want to officially because of the consequences. Therefore, just have to believe it is independent.
Even US claims to not supporting Taiwan independence on its Secretary of State web site. All of the official document and law states that Taiwan is part of China legally.
So really, who is not seeing the actual fact? Just by repeating you believe doesn’t make it true.
Dude, your channel is top notch. Thanks for all your hard work.
As a (former) mainland Chinese, i have to say Taiwan 🇹🇼 is one to talk about democracy and freedom.
Sure the CCP regime wasn’t any better but the White Terror and anti-communist persecution just shows no matter what government exist, oppression and corruption exist,
While that is true, no state has ever been perfect from the get go. Sweden was considered little more than a poor, backwater country with illerated and corrupt people and that is just some 200+ years ago. It is the choices and institutional development one chooses in order to make a society better that counts, not what it once was or has been.
yeah but being anti communist is ok.
Very nice video 📹 👍 👌
Nice video, for a country that doesn't even exist (+1,000 social points 🇨🇳)
Gotta get those social points. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to own a house, get a passport, or even take high speed trains. 😂
@@Oblivisci........ 大聪明👍
A Democracy Amid Rebuke.
Thanks for the video. Now this is what China could/should have been (if mao had decency to perish early(post-ww2) and ccp was disbanded). Tho to be fair, Taiwan does sounds like something with gravitas.
Speaking of Taiwan, kid me(25ish years ago) remembers seeing only once "made in taiwan" on a product, it was a very durable one to their credit.
interesting topic. Wasn’t taiwan for nearly a decade one of the 5 permanent members of the UNSC?
It is mentioned in the video
@ i have seen it then.. lol
Oh, Xi is definitely not happy about this video 😂😂😂😂
Taiwan Number One! 🇹🇼🇹🇼
This feels like it should be uner your cold war channel
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I hope Taiwan will be able to continue representative government.
Up until this time it was common for academics etc. in the west to say a thriving democracy could never really take hold in Asian because of collectivist societies, similar to how todays academics and talking heads say democracy can't survive with Islam, anyway the point is, Taiwan and S. Korea, at around this time in the 90's through massive demonstrations proved them wrong and became thriving democracies.
Please, another video but how Spain became a democracy
Taiwan, one of the best countries in the world!
Taiwan is a geographical term, the name of its government is called Republic of China, its country is China. That is the current international understanding as defined by UN and every government around the world.
As an American, i want to know if Taiwanese dislike/mistrust/loathe mainland China like the Okinawans dislike mainland Japan??🤷🏾♂🤷🏾♂
This is depending on who you ask. I think most people in Taiwan dislike/mistrust/loathe mainland China just because of the current CCP autocratic institution in the Chinese mainland, while some people in Taiwan may dislike/mistrust/loathe mainland just because of hatress and their personal identity.
Taiwan's KMT and Chiang Kai-Shek did attempt to re-invade Mainland China, planned during the 70s. They made preparation for the invasion but were ultimately stopped bc the USA didn't want to back them. Taiwan kept its ambition to reconquer China by force until they realised mainland China has become too consolidated and powerful in 1990.
You are right that Chiang's government wanted to retake mainland China from the communists until the late 1970s, due to Chiang Kai-shek's death and the United States wanting to establish official diplomatic relations with the PRC.
They may have had a chance during the Cultural Revolution if the internal purges and witch hunting led to defections.
But ironically, due to Mao's ideological furver, and desire to lead the Communist world, they became enemies with the USSR, which eventually led to the PRC getting warm to the USA.
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@@KamBar2020no, that is James Bond
@Commonlogicguy Last time I checked circa 2010 Bieber made a music video of Never Say NEVER👀
27:16 "sun sat yen"
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We need a video on Liao dynasty, Great liao and Western liao/Qara khitai.
Is it also a thing where the descendants of mainland Chinese nationalists who came to Taiwan intermarried with the native populations to create a more blended society or do they typically stay within their own communities?
They are preety mixed now, especially their decedents, but they used to not be, and quite hostile towards each other. Almost like they were 2 races. Even now, some areas of a city, or whole towns, are obviously inhabited by them. They still almost all vote for the KMT, and are typically more warm to China.
Why is the part between 0:06 and 0:26 black out? I can't see what it is
Please make a video about the pashtuns or afghans people living in Afghanistan and Pakistan
Based Taiwan vs Virgin West Taiwan
Chinese conquest of Taiwan next.....
KOXINGA WAS NOT A PIRATE he was a ming loyalist and considered his territory to be part of ming it is also inacurate the ww2 map the Japanese never ruled all ofshanxi nor did the ccp join japan if that's what the map was pointing to 7:08 it rules to much land it's like it was poorly drawn
Thank you for the important correction notes.
Koxinga was a pirate and he was also half Japanese. He was an oppurtunist who used "Ming Loyalism" to establish his own state, vassal state but still a state, in Taiwan.
@@tripsaplenty1227 he literally wasn't a pirate his father was pls get ur facts right
Thanks for the video
If you watch this video
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My intuition is right when I watch the beginning of this video😏. That is, this episode is sponsored by our administrative authority 😂 which is currently controlled by Democratic Progressive Party (DPP).
I have to admit the contents are mostly right. However, the view and the historical background omitted, such as omitting "27 Brigade in February 28 incident", using "Feb 28 uprise" to replace "Feb 28 incident", etc., are still making me feel the contents are in DPP's favour. Moreover, the parts close to the end of the video looks heavily biased to pro-DPP view without the mentioning of the complex society, political polarization, and corruption of DPP government.
Let me illustrate this by a simple policy recently executed by our beloved great leading party "Democratic Progressive Party".
They just replaced the the name of Hokkien from 臺灣閩南語 (Taiwanese Southern Min) to 臺灣台語 (Taiwanese Taiwanese) in the education system and the services such as the dictionaries maintained by the government. This is extremely disrespectful to those people speaking Taiwanese Hakka, Taiwanese indigenous Austronesian languages, and other languages. Why only those Hoklo Taiwanese with ancestors from southern Fujian in Chinese mainland in recent 400 years get this privilege to call their language as Taiwanese, and what about those Taiwanese indigenous Austronesian people who lives in this island for over several thousand years?
Democratic Progressive Party government tend to adopt radical policies to curry favor for its extreme right wing supporters now. They are saying cultural diversity but actually doing a Hokklo chauvinism with Hokkien previlege. How irony that is! The oppressed people in the past now become the new oppressors. 😂😂😂
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Why does the video implement the opinion, that Taiwan is an independent nation, if it‘s officially not even recognised by the US or other major Western powers of influence?
I think, history should always be kept neutrally, no matter what the actual political situation is like.
Taiwan has conducted its own affairs for 70 years. By every metric, they are an independent nation. It's not an opinion.
Becuase it's reality
@@zombieoverlord5173 Then the US and all states of the world should recognise it 🤣. Taiwan was always a part of China since the Ming Dynasty. It's a part of China with exclusive rights of self government.
@@Nathan-jh1ho Where does that stand?
@OctavianAugustusEmpire Most world governments don't because of politics. China is an important trade partner for most countries and has threatened any country that would recognize Taiwan as a country. It's nor more part of China than America is England. They are not an extension of China, they are their own nation state. Why would you threaten to invade your own country?
アメリカ、日本、韓国の国々が中華人民共和国の意見を尊重しているのになぜ台湾は独立国と主張するのか意味が分からない。そして台湾を国として認めるなら沿ドニエストル共和国も独立国として承認しなければいけないだろう
Taiwan is an independent nation........just like Tibet is ....
China should invade Taiwan & see what happens😂
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Please enlighten us about romanov dynasty we know the end of it in 1917 but not the rise of it. It would be nice ❤❤❤
PRC Pretenting it owns Taiwan is like the italians claiming lost Roman Empire territory. watch out Europe haha
So many lies in this video. The aboriginal people of Taiwan are the most loyal KMT supporters in every election, Taitung and Hualien are the most pro-KMT in modern Taiwanese politics. The Japanese colonialists and the local ethnically Han Taiwanese people brutally suppressed the aboriginal people during Japanese colonial period. The nationalists established local liaison offices in the 50s in these mountainous regions to better serve the aboriginal community and the lingering effect is that these communities always heavily vote blue in elections. Similarly, Hakka people and the mainlanders population also tilts blue in most elections.
I wish they kept the name "Republic of China". It would be a hard reminder to the mainlanders what they could become if they have democracy. I understand that distancing itself and creating your own distinct culture and presence increases the odds of it being acknowledged as an independent nation. It's just sad to see a country having to change its name because another bigger country decided that it wants the name too.
They still do
@jordandino417 I know they do. I mean make others use the name more, like Turkey changing their name to Turkiye. Other countries always refer to it as Taiwan but I'd rather have them call it the ROC or the republic of China.
@@ayomri1914bad example cuz no one calls Turkey that either
@@ayomri1914My family still does
@@ayomri1914 The government that rules over Taiwan still calls itself the 'Republic of China'. One reason that most Taiwanese people prefer that their country be called Taiwan instead of Republic of China (at least on a daily basis) is because most Taiwanese are benshengren (ethnic Han Chinese whose ancestors have been living in Taiwan before 1895) and they believe that Taiwan has had its own distinct and separate identity from mainland China since 1895, the same year that Japan first took control of Taiwan. In addition to that, these Taiwanese believe that the 'Republic of China' label is a foreign imposition that was forced upon the benshengren by Chiang Kai-shek and his gang of waishengren (mainland Chinese who resettled in Taiwan after 1945, as well as their descendants).
Can i praise Maozedon in Taiwan
There are some idiots that do
Slightly inaccurate and misleading in one small part that isn't well known.
Despite Japan's rule, the island of what was still known as Formosa at the time retained large autonomy into the early 1920s, with the Japanese ruling class giving out local authority to the native chieftains or Chinese and Japanese settlements with moderate amounts of autonomy. However, as the 1920s progressed and Nationalism rose, Japan removed Formosa's autonomy fully and destroyed the tribes forever, making Formosa's identity lost to Japanese Irredentism.
Actually no. There was no autonomy whatsoever, the first 20 years was a military government, which sees plenty of unrest. It was only when the military government was changed to civil one that unrest began to cease.
What you are saying I assume was the Japanisation or kominka movement during the 1930s which ask for Taiwanese to have Japanese name and dress and act like Japanese, as militarism in Japan took control.
@@muic4880 Actually, yes. I'm not referencing to the official government of Formosa, the military governate that ruled over Formosa. localized autonomy did in fact exist usually in the form of city autonomy with councils that de facto ruled under the military government, which were semi-democratically elected. the Japnisation movement only caused more unrest in Formosa.
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You failed to mention that Lee Teng-hui is more Japanese than anything else. The man spoke better Japanese than Mandarin and has declared numerous times that he views "Japanese and Taiwanese as one people". He also stated that Nanking and Comfort Women is fake history by China and Korea and he supported Japan's claim to the Sankaku Islands
Yeah, that’s explains Taiwan being a Japanese Bootlicker empathizer
I still call Taiwan the Republic of china.
Oof a certain honey bear is gonna want this video taken down..
It’s called Republic of China, the original legal China who represented China on the UN Security Council from 1944 to 1974. It ain’t Taiwan you are misinformed
The land is called "Taiwan"
North Korea isn't called North Korea. It's called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Official names and more common names exist for nations you know
@@Nathan-jh1ho nah, apparently the author of the video has an agenda.
@@gratefuldeadly7899 The name 'Republic of China' only applies to the government, whilst the name Taiwan is used because the island of Taiwan makes up the majority of territory that is currently controlled by the ROC government.
@@Nathan-jh1hotherefore, Taiwan is a geographical term like Gibraltar
At the local level, I seriously doubt Taiwan is "Asia's healthiest democracies." Don't just pay attention to the presidential election. The president is important but he is just one person in the whole system.
The results of the intl organisation rankings are backed by evidence. Just take a look at the recent report from the Freedom House.
Even during some part of the dicatorship there was competitive local elections
@@ccjessicahung Gangsters are heavily involved in local politics in Taiwan. This is a very Chinese thing indeed. KMT historically had and still currently have lots of gang members. I simply state a fact that westerners usually ignore. I'm not sure what all these rankings consider. There is no need to defend Taiwan in your way when another person simply states a fact which Taiwanese themselves know well.
@@Nathan-jh1ho What I wanted to say is local politics in Taiwan have quite a lot of gang's involvement. I do not mean local elections are completely or partly manipulated.
Essentially what separates korea and taiwan from other dictatorships is that both came in opposition against their communist counterparts and claim dominion over the other. Both democratized around the same time in the 1980s cause the u.s stopped backing their dictatorship and were losing economically to their communist neighbors. China was industrializing and reopening to the world gaining billions in investment,meanwhile north korea had a higher industry and was more stable than south korea at the time. All four were dictatorships, but at the time the communist were winning. Perhaps lee knew that it wasnt even about freedom for taiwanese people but that democratizing was the only way to make a separation between taiwan and mainland china because that was the only way to maintain power at this point. Luckily for him, it paid off.
No dictatorship endures forever, and the same can be said about democratic regimes. Change always come, in a way or another, as long there is people ready to fight for it.
Taiwan is ethnically 98 percent han chinese , and they speak mandarin .. the same dialect in mainland China
by force though. there are many differences between the mandarin spoken in the mainland and in Taiwan, to the point you can definitely tell where the speaker is from. also, there is quite the vibrant mother tongue movement advocating for returning to the true natural languages of the Taiwanese people.
60% of the population prefer to be called Taiwanese instead of Chinese; and over 90% of the group under 30 believe that Taiwan is an independent country. So get lost, Chinese little pinks.
@@hudsonylinliked your argument but the fact that Taiwanese now a days still reject the revival of their non-imposed languages as daily vernacular ones is also pretty shocking that they are seeking no maximization of differentiation from the Chinese and other peoples who pull out this kind of argument above.
@@Rafaelparabellvm Yeah... I'd say a lot of it is the education system still focusing on Chinese Mandarin pronunciation, and the modern Chinese government and Chinese cultural influence that's blocking "Taiwanese Mandarin" from becoming truly its own circle.
such are the disadvantages of having a mutually intelligible language with the Chinese...
@@hudsonylin you didn’t get my point on “non-imposed” languages, which Mandarin is totally excluded by being imposed by a governing body in the exile from China instead of being a carried over natural language except for the refugees from the 1949.
Meanwhile Taiwanese mandarin is still and always will be Mandarin. Mandarin in a linguistic context has been standardized by where the language is originated/created, northern China. When you get Taiwanese, Hakka, Austronesian languages to put in practice and daily usage which Taiwanese refuse and avoid to do so even to feel shameful about.
And don’t forget, an accent doesn’t define a language. In China there are many different mandarin accents and by the standard, your beloved Taiwanese accent is only one of them, not even that different.
And that brings to the maximum differentiation in the linguistic identity aspect I argued which Taiwanese put very little effort into.
Taiwan is ethnically 98 percent han chinese , and they speak mandarin too
And?
So did the Thirteen Colonies.
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The real reason for and foundation of the democracy in Taiwan (the Republic of China) is its Constitution, which was drafted and implemented in 1947 after WWII. It remains effective to this day.
The KMT just decided it didn't count for almost 40 years.
@ ????? The constitution remains intact and effective today.
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That people were crushed by tanks is a lie. There was violence in Beijing, people got shot, people died, but not on the square.
I wish I could remember that lady's name who was quoted saying that she wanted to create an uprising (essentially to ruin the CCP) and that it was also proven that she in was in bed with the US and it's Alphabet Bois agencies backed by US capital.
Hi, Chinese Little Pink, you're five hours late; we've all been waiting for you. But hey, better late than never!
@@ccjessicahung Chinese? Little Pink? What are you talking about? I'm neither Chinese, little or pink. Have you got any arguments or are you just gonna be dogwhistling?
@@alanywalany6460your PFP is literally Deng Xiaoping.
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Wrong merit for KMT. They are not democracy promoters now a days but Chinese agents for the communist party who they share the same national identity with. Stripping the political differences, they are both Chinese and so even many are living in Taiwan, actually don’t identify themselves as Taiwanese. It’s a shame and ridiculousness that after all these mentioned in the video, there are still Taiwanese people supporting the KMT when the mentioned political entity is still existing if not thriving in many local elections and governances.