The issue i see happening in this set-up is needing two socket wrenches to keep the other bolt from spinning when loosening one side specialy when you run 4 pegs.
Awesome idea. I made homemade chain tensioners back in the 80's on my race bike to prevent axel slippage. My dirt bikes had them, so it made sense. This is a great idea for BMX. My DJ has similar idea where the frame has the adjustment screws. Thru axels are light too.
I rode BMX for 30 odd years. Then MTB and after a move mainly road for the last few years. Thru axles are only useful to keep things straight and within tolerance for disc brakes, which they do well although most of us never really had any problems with QR. In every other situation they seem to be marketing bullshit. On a BMX it seems completely pointless to the user unless you have a race bike with disc brakes (which probably already use thru axles but I'm not up to date with them). And a sliding axle/dropout seems to defeat the object anyway so you'd want a fixed hole and chain tensioner I'd assume for disc? It's one of those solutions to a problem that never existed. And they wont be stiffer on a BMX as they use threaded axles anyway. Maybe even less so as they only thread on one side. Look up Luescher teknic's video about them. Nice bloke who knows his stuff. Sorry about the rant but ffs.
I mean I like the idea of a closed dropout on the frame, that part part seems logical, but they lost me when they started claiming that a 14mm thru axle will be stronger, the bearings will be "oversize" and the new axle makes a "stiffer wheel". Compared to a female hub with a 22mm center section and 14mm bolts the female hub is less complex, stiffer and stronger with larger bearings. And anyway isn't the stiffness of a wheel based on the design of the rim and the number of spokes and how well the wheel is built? What does a different axle have to do with it? I'm confused about that part.
@@Brant_Moore are you referring to pushing the boundaries or taking another company's former idea and improving upon it? Either way I'm happy with it because anything new and BMX right now makes me happy and I like that idea. Even if it is new graphics
Kind of a neat new/old idea. Hmmm... i am wondering if there trying to make some parts of all style of bikes universal for the future? Meaning one size fits all. Less overhead and parts to create? But that seat tube though? Looked like Big Ma Moo sat on it and squashed the poor thing! 😄
What benefits does this have ? how do you adjust you chain tension if the back wheel is in a fixed position? I don’t get it. Seems like a gimmick to me.
@ I see that now. Still not getting the point of it tho. I’ve never had a wheel fall off especially the rear. Just seems like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
@@shanem813 Ah, but you need to buy a new frame, new forks, new wheels (new pegs to fit rear dropouts, if they're not too dented to fit them in?) which makes someone money. Yes, a solution to a problem that dosn't exist in BMX. Someone also mentioned possible problems mounting hubguards. I have had 4 bikes with thru axles (including my current Cruzbike S40 due to health issues) and would in no way regard them suitable for a BMX other than maybe race/dirt only bikes.
Ummm, S&M did this years ago, same with Solid and Cardinal. This isn't new Wethepeople doesn't get to act like they're inventing the wheel on this one.
@@josephcorso5081Yes, the S&M WTF! If I'm not mistaken, that was also the introduction of the 22" frame? Forgive me if I'm wrong, that was like ~15 years ago. I know that I still have the issue of BMX Plus somewhere that had at least a full page about it.
True. The idea is not new. But this design is. The thru axle system is new The frame is also invest cast not just a simple welded closed drop. And you could only use a female axle system. This is a male axle system.
@Patrick_Andrews917 yes wtf was female axles so slightly different but same concept. It was the same time as the the holmes 22 but it was regular dropouts, I have one fantastic for dirt jumps and mtb parks. Actually I'm curious how many 22 holmes were made in chrome if anyone knows
Odyssey made a fork/hub with a through axle back in like 1996 as the XTRO fork hub combo. They kind of flopped because it was more expensive and you couldn't put on pegs at all.
I have some old shadow forks that only except a female axle. Truthfully, it was always a pain in the ass because they also had an adjustable rake. The adapter piece fell out every time.
S&m wtf frame. The inside had a cut out for the cones? but it was still inclosed. This was around with the g sports or antigram? We're time and true 😅 guessing on the hub but I do remember s&m had the frame and fork kit. Was definitely more responsive for its time.
This design was already done and wasn’t received very well. I see it as an inconvenience. I run female hubs but I don’t want to completely back out my bolts to change a tube. It’s a pain especially when you run pegs.
Most companies in BMX and MTB are using female axles, the thru-axle system just removes a step for essentially the same result and yeah, they are stronger. If you don't like it, no worries, don't buy the parts, but companies should have room to test new designs because thats exactly how we got integrated headsets/seat clamps/chain tensioners, and half-link chains, and so on (all good things).
Its time for bmx to update its standards. Wider spaced forks ( equal to rear end) captive and through axels , a standard for bb width and bearings that arent so tight a fit. That being said its lame how road and mtb change headset size , wheel size and bb types every 2 to 3 years to get people to buy new stuff
The fact that this is an investment cast system definitely makes this a new technology other companies have done this with the closed axle but it was just simply a well that closed the back of the dropout. This technology is far stronger and more superior to having just a normal closed dropout
Ads weight with those thick and larger dropouts. Press on hubguards is already not fun to install . SubRosa and S&M bikes had dropouts like that way before. I rather have my axle slip on my dropout instead of bending or breaking my axle or in worst case your whole hub will blow out or bending the dropout. Tensioning your chain is not possible, no room for the axle to move on the closed dropout. Plus this ain't cheap and BMX is as already expensive enough. Trump tariffs going up. You do the math.
The issue i see happening in this set-up is needing two socket wrenches to keep the other bolt from spinning when loosening one side specialy when you run 4 pegs.
Awesome idea. I made homemade chain tensioners back in the 80's on my race bike to prevent axel slippage. My dirt bikes had them, so it made sense.
This is a great idea for BMX. My DJ has similar idea where the frame has the adjustment screws.
Thru axels are light too.
That looks neat. Curious to see if it takes off or flops. I like to see innovation.
I rode BMX for 30 odd years. Then MTB and after a move mainly road for the last few years. Thru axles are only useful to keep things straight and within tolerance for disc brakes, which they do well although most of us never really had any problems with QR. In every other situation they seem to be marketing bullshit. On a BMX it seems completely pointless to the user unless you have a race bike with disc brakes (which probably already use thru axles but I'm not up to date with them). And a sliding axle/dropout seems to defeat the object anyway so you'd want a fixed hole and chain tensioner I'd assume for disc? It's one of those solutions to a problem that never existed. And they wont be stiffer on a BMX as they use threaded axles anyway. Maybe even less so as they only thread on one side. Look up Luescher teknic's video about them. Nice bloke who knows his stuff. Sorry about the rant but ffs.
Wait, so 14mm front hubs are going to be cool again? I'm down.
If they are stronger when hollowed out
Looks cool, through axle works great on mtb and road, super stiff and safe.
I knew a welder at SM his ride was this set up, profile hubs did the job.. 2008
I mean I like the idea of a closed dropout on the frame, that part part seems logical, but they lost me when they started claiming that a 14mm thru axle will be stronger, the bearings will be "oversize" and the new axle makes a "stiffer wheel". Compared to a female hub with a 22mm center section and 14mm bolts the female hub is less complex, stiffer and stronger with larger bearings. And anyway isn't the stiffness of a wheel based on the design of the rim and the number of spokes and how well the wheel is built? What does a different axle have to do with it? I'm confused about that part.
I recall the S&M frame having closed dropouts but it wasn't a thru axle. It just required female axle hubs.
I remember someone made a frame for a school engineering project in about 96 with this idea.
Idk i feel like that's gonna suck after a while. You will have to cary a hammer around to tap that axel out.
This seems cool to me!
I love that. WTP are always pushing the boundaries of BMX
They're hust bringing back older ideas that have been refined....but I'm ok with that
This is the right perspective
@@Brant_Moore are you referring to pushing the boundaries or taking another company's former idea and improving upon it? Either way I'm happy with it because anything new and BMX right now makes me happy and I like that idea. Even if it is new graphics
Specifically the phrase “bringing back older ideas that have been refined”
@@BSpenceTravels lol nice
This isn’t new, remember the Odyssey Xtro hub and fork?
The idea isn’t new however, the technology is that they use and incorporate their design is
Kind of a neat new/old idea.
Hmmm... i am wondering if there trying to make some parts of all style of bikes universal for the future? Meaning one size fits all. Less overhead and parts to create?
But that seat tube though?
Looked like Big Ma Moo sat on it and squashed the poor thing! 😄
Keep it real! Take it back to 87-95!
What benefits does this have ? how do you adjust you chain tension if the back wheel is in a fixed position? I don’t get it. Seems like a gimmick to me.
Looks like the drop out holes are long enough to have some adjustment room
@ I see that now. Still not getting the point of it tho. I’ve never had a wheel fall off especially the rear. Just seems like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist.
@@shanem813 Ah, but you need to buy a new frame, new forks, new wheels (new pegs to fit rear dropouts, if they're not too dented to fit them in?) which makes someone money. Yes, a solution to a problem that dosn't exist in BMX. Someone also mentioned possible problems mounting hubguards. I have had 4 bikes with thru axles (including my current Cruzbike S40 due to health issues) and would in no way regard them suitable for a BMX other than maybe race/dirt only bikes.
It's been around on bmx race bikes for years ,all in the hunt for stiffer frames and forks .
Ummm, S&M did this years ago, same with Solid and Cardinal. This isn't new
Wethepeople doesn't get to act like they're inventing the wheel on this one.
The wtf I believe
@@josephcorso5081Yes, the S&M WTF! If I'm not mistaken, that was also the introduction of the 22" frame? Forgive me if I'm wrong, that was like ~15 years ago. I know that I still have the issue of BMX Plus somewhere that had at least a full page about it.
True. The idea is not new. But this design is. The thru axle system is new The frame is also invest cast not just a simple welded closed drop. And you could only use a female axle system. This is a male axle system.
@Patrick_Andrews917 yes wtf was female axles so slightly different but same concept. It was the same time as the the holmes 22 but it was regular dropouts, I have one fantastic for dirt jumps and mtb parks. Actually I'm curious how many 22 holmes were made in chrome if anyone knows
@@mikedevlin_bmx2446 you make a good point
Odyssey made a fork/hub with a through axle back in like 1996 as the XTRO fork hub combo. They kind of flopped because it was more expensive and you couldn't put on pegs at all.
I guess I was forgetting that the freestyle ones had peg bosses. The Axle was 1-1/4in chromoly tube.
Interesting!
I have some old shadow forks that only except a female axle. Truthfully, it was always a pain in the ass because they also had an adjustable rake. The adapter piece fell out every time.
S&m wtf frame. The inside had a cut out for the cones? but it was still inclosed. This was around with the g sports or antigram? We're time and true 😅 guessing on the hub but I do remember s&m had the frame and fork kit. Was definitely more responsive for its time.
As other answers, we’ve been here before and although this is a refined version of previous attempts, it’s just not necessary for bmx.
Cult has a pair of forkscwith the same dropouts on their page
This design was already done and wasn’t received very well. I see it as an inconvenience. I run female hubs but I don’t want to completely back out my bolts to change a tube. It’s a pain especially when you run pegs.
Hope it won't be the same as the Eclat Disk hub, where you buy the frame and the hub is immediately sold out in all of Europe. 😂
Most companies in BMX and MTB are using female axles, the thru-axle system just removes a step for essentially the same result and yeah, they are stronger. If you don't like it, no worries, don't buy the parts, but companies should have room to test new designs because thats exactly how we got integrated headsets/seat clamps/chain tensioners, and half-link chains, and so on (all good things).
Careful, you’re making too much sense here..people might be upset by it…
Hahaha
Bmx race, frame an forks have been doing 20mm for 10+ years and the flared seat tube they're just taking race ideas and putting it into that frame
Its time for bmx to update its standards. Wider spaced forks ( equal to rear end) captive and through axels , a standard for bb width and bearings that arent so tight a fit. That being said its lame how road and mtb change headset size , wheel size and bb types every 2 to 3 years to get people to buy new stuff
They break, too.
Street-mafia-bmx!!
Profile hubs bro
It’s so much harder to build a bike with through axles ( TA) . Y’all gunna be spending a lot more money on frames
This money couldve went to s&m but companies these days have no idea what theyre customers want, despite more voices being more available 🤷
How about 21,5 or 21,8 park trail frame with normal brakes? Or is tat to much of invention in BMX world.
Let's see how this works when you bend an axle and can't remove it. Lol
The fact that this is an investment cast system definitely makes this a new technology other companies have done this with the closed axle but it was just simply a well that closed the back of the dropout. This technology is far stronger and more superior to having just a normal closed dropout
Ads weight with those thick and larger dropouts. Press on hubguards is already not fun to install . SubRosa and S&M bikes had dropouts like that way before. I rather have my axle slip on my dropout instead of bending or breaking my axle or in worst case your whole hub will blow out or bending the dropout. Tensioning your chain is not possible, no room for the axle to move on the closed dropout. Plus this ain't cheap and BMX is as already expensive enough. Trump tariffs going up. You do the math.
that seat tube is awful looking gross mtb frame aesthetic
At least WTP try out something new instead of fading away. Same goes for Nowear.
Absolutely!!
And the name of the frame is so fitting to try something new
This would be cool but it would make fixing a BMX bike more complicated....
Keep the MTB and road bike crap off my BMX.
Although the A-headset was a dream come true after threaded but otherwise agreed.