Shure SM57 Mic REPAIR & How to Spot a FAKE
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2022
- In this video we will look at how to replace a trashed diaphragm and voice coil on a Shure SM57 microphone. Shure makes a replacement part called the R57. They also offer a "repair" service where most people indicate means they send you an all new SM57 to replace a broken one. Also you can buy a couple different Chinese replacement parts for it, but we'll go with the cheap one which costs about $5 or $6. We'll also talk about how to spot a fake SM57 and not get ripped off.
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There are two styles of Chinese replacement capsules you can buy. One is like the one I showed here, the other has a larger magnet like the original American part and costs around $25. Not sure if the head spins. If i come across another broken 57, I’ll install the better quality knockoff and compare all 3 in some various applications.
Screw Ukraine.
Sorry if it's been mentioned already, but I don't think I ever caught where we're able to get replacement parts at. Could you post a link please? I'd love to try repairing my busted 57. 🍻
Ebay and sites like Alibaba.
@@TheGuitologist I see. Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks!
@@TheGuitologist Have you tried the new popular Chinese Shure knockoffs? Amazing deals. I got a couple of great mics for under 50.
Those voice coil wires are insulated. To solder them without burning them up, there are some tricks to do it. First sandpaper the ends to remove the insulation. Second put a ball of flux on the connection point where you are going to solder the wires. Third put some paste flux on the the solder ball. Forth, heat solder ball and place coil wire in molten pool and lift heat. This step should take 1-2 seconds at most. It has to be quick. I have had really good luck doing this following these steps.
I've also used solder paste and a heat gun instead of a soldering iron. lay teflon tape down, a dab of solder paste, place the wires with flux removed, then lightly heat. The result is similar to soldering without as much heat.
I love the old school intros. Always reminds me of watching VHS's in the 80s and 90s. Simpler times.
A fellow named Richard made the one in this video. He does nice work.
I was a roadie/ guitar tech for a band that played there a lot.
The sound guys there were the best.
The saloon stage was on the first floor,the tiki bar was on the second floor and the big stage was on the third floor.
Really hated when the band played the top stage because you had to drag all the gear up narrow stair cases.
It was a really cool place and always had great crowds.
I think in ten years I only did shows at one place that had great sound guy with monitors that worked and could HEAR my voice. What a blessing it was! Tried headphones a few times but feedback was deadly! Sucks to be a singing drummer man!
Loving the intro Brad!!!! expected Total Recall to start but an SM57 vid is even better
Brad this is perfect timing for this video. I just was given an sm57 that is a little fuzzy that was otherwise going to be thrown out. Long time subscriber and you've inspired me in my hobby amp build (I built a variation of a fender harvard) and it 96% works like I want it to lol. Keep up the great content!
Great to see ya back at the bench! Mic’s are interesting. Been thinking about upgrading the capsules on a couple cheaper condensers that I have.I’d definitely watch any other videos you might make about microphone repair/construction.
Man! Those things are BUILT!
You've inspired me to do some repair videos myself!
I'm all about this kind of stuff.
Nice work.
Subbed.
Thanks for subbing. Welcome to the channel!
The Phoenix hill tavern! Great memories! And The Toy Tiger, all them good old Louisville place's I used to go to back in the day! cool video on the Mic, I never had thought about them being faked too! Great to see what their made of! Great video Brad! Thanks for sharing!
The extra bit at the ending was worth the wait
Great video, thanks Brad!
Very cool, Brad! Thanks for the inspiration.. I have an old broken 57 too and always wanted to try to fix it. My dad gave it to me way back when I was first starting out, so I'd definitely like to bring it back to life, Chinese parts or otherwise. I'll definitely give it a go. 😎
There is a better Chinese capsule you can buy on ebay and Alibaba. Its similar to the original one. It’s around $20-$25.
Great info Brad -- thanks brother!
I have a handful of the PYLE 57 copies and while I don't think they will handle load in and load out every night they sound just fine for at home stuff. I compared two of them with two 609's and the way I see it is if you can hear a difference between the two then you should be working for NASA or some outfit like that.
Nice one. I might actually need this one day!
Love your channel man!!!
Thanks dude
Played at Phoenix Hill many times. One of the best clubs to play, back in the day.
I love your solder tip!
Good video. Very informational.
I did enjoy it Thanks for the Video
Awesome 👍👍 glad to see you
Ever Sence I Was 13 Years Old
I've Fixed Guitar Cords Microphome
Cords. Speaker Cords Headphone Cords Ect. You Name
It I've Had My Experience With That Kind
Of Stuff.
Cool vid really enjoyed this
I've used Livewire guitar cables for many years. I think I've only had one go bad.
I have that t-bone thingy from Thomann. Back in the day I had an original. It didn't help me to create nice rhythm tracks. I was too dumb to find the sweet spot. I use IRs mostly, for convenience. The T-bone is pretty good for the price. I am s(h)ure placing it at the sweet spot of your speaker, it will rip!!!
I've used the generic cartridge too......... for budget repairs @ the music shop. It doesn't perform badly.
The cheap capsules usually sound ok, its the transformerless knockoffs that sound super bad.
You can tell quickly by the lack of weight, and the label. The screw holes are also different between fakes.
I still think it's worth getting the Shure stuff.
I just bought some of those live wire cables for pedal connections and they sound great. Very interesting how they can be wired wrong from the factory, but great once working correctly. Luckily, my cables are all fine. 3, 6 inch cables, for $22. 24 gauge wire, nickel ends. *I love how the new Shure voice coil sounds as good, but is different, too.
Someone pointed out below they might not handle high pressure waves as well like from a guitar cab or snare. We’ll have to test that at some point.
Use hairspray to temporarily lube then adhere the rubber part into the metal sleeve.
I used to do that with my grips for my bike when i was a kid hahah. Works really good.
I know this video is a week old now, but you can use Windex to lubricate the rubber sleeve when you are trying to push that in the collar. Windex does not chemically interact with the rubber, will not pit the metal, and evaporates quickly (I had to hook up rubber hose connectors a LOT at my last job)
Yeah the repaired mic might sound a bit different, but sometimes you want a slightly different sound. It could be perfect for the right situation. That's why I own so many mics 😁😁
Some people take out the transformer and wire the capsule directly to pin2/3 on the xlr. It's supposed to give better bass response but a little less gain. I haven't tried it myself, but I may if I get my hands on a well worn mike.
You can buy “boutique” transformers too as upgrades. That’s a whole nuther world of tone chasing right there!
Great video Brad!! I love my SM57 for being just a workhorse all around mic. Good vocal quality and excellent rejection. In comparison my Rode NT1-A condenser mic really needs to be used in an actual studio. For my purpose in a "bedroom/studio" it picks up way to well, even with compression. Live and learn. I could have bought three SM57s for the price of the NT1-A. To be clear I am not knocking the Rode I just didn't understand the difference when I was first setting up my bedroom/studio.
Try lining a closet with blankets or foam and use the Rode condenser in there. Track in isolation as much as possible when doing vocals with a condenser.
@@TheGuitologist Thank you Brad. I will definitely try that
Been a big fan of the 57 since the early 70's, I got a bag of them laying around here somewhere. I use them for everything, vocals, amp mic and even got one in my isocab. If I was a decade or so younger I would do microsurgery on that separated diaphram and bring it back to life. At my age however fine work like that is only a fading memory.
It would be a job on this one. No lead at all poking out on one side. Would require excavation of the bottom layer of diaphragm. Easier said than done. Then you’d have to clean and tack new wire on that existing wire, IF you can find the end.
@@TheGuitologist Yeah, it would be a handfull for sure. I have all the micro gear and have done some crazy fixes like that in the past but as I said, that was long ago when my eyes and fingers were in much better shape... still, all in all, your Chinese fix sounds plenty good.
I always watch your shows Brad , i enjoy your content but i really wish you would get proper studio lights
Nice one Brad - Chinese a bit thinner sound but defo acceptable in my opinion.
I use to mix sound there for a act called Dee and the Redhots back I The early 80’s
Cool place!
You might have been able to remove the voice coil from the Chinese copy and install it in the original capsule. I know the wires are very thin but I make guitar pickups and it's basically the same gauge wire, 42 or 43 Gage.
Good times. I was going to pick up a Shure 57 this weekend to upgrade my GLS Audio clone, but, now I'm thinking my money would be better spent on something else (guitar lessons). I would love to hear a side-by-side on the new Gibson you just picked up from the guitar hootenanny. We haven't had a good ol' fashioned Bradley demo jam in quite a minute.
I’ve admittedly been in a lull of sorts due to several personal challenges of late, not least of which, the trial hanging over my head, but I’m feeling some inspiration kick in. Weather is great. We’ll be gettback to guitar stuff soon.
I Bought A Couple Of Microphones At
The Savers Thriftstore & I Never
Plugged Them Into My Amp To Try Them
I Never Had Trouble With Microphones
But If I Wanted To See If They Work
I Can Always Use My Multi Meter.
The way I solder tiny wires together is first I lightly drag them over something like 400 or 600 grit sandpaper pressing down extremely lightly with my finger, then I put the two wires together like they are one and coil them up together by wrapping them around a piece of solder a couple times, then I momentarily touch them with a tinted soldering iron and check the resistance. I've never repaired a coil on a microphone but however I have successfully repaired many pickups and voice coils using this method.
I really cant believe you did this, ive soldered those wires back together before, no its not easy , but better than using those cheap cells. or replace just the diaphram and coil.
There were no wires to solder.
Hey Brad long time no see bro. I’m back in the US finally
Welcome home.
A quick listen, even on laptop speakers is the the Chinese version is lacking low end. Btw. How I remember my XLR plugs, the female is the right way around from the back/soldering side. And I mean that 1,2,3 is clockwise if you look at it from the back. The male goes 1,2,3 but counter clockwise. So to sum up and have a laugh in the mean time: the female has it right if you look at her from the back :) And... pin 3 is always your cold so that is even more easy.
Hi Brad! I know SM57 are cheap and all terrain mics, but never loved them, sound wise, lots of better alternatives around. Btw, nice tapping harmonics! Good job. Take care!
They're used in pro studios strictly for guitar cabs and snare drums. They're great for those purposes.
@@patrickfoster4586 I know, seen them around my entire life, but always prefer other options, if possible, even for cabs.
Even thru the iPad speakers I could hear the US made one was a bit duller sounding! Image that! Great video Brad! Any chance we as your loyal subscribers could get more of these kind of content? You do one hell of a good repair! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
The US version had more bass, might be due to a stronger proximity effect.
That's because the China one is thin sounding and can't handle the SPL's a real one can. Put that China crap in front of a Marshall cab and see what happens! It'll crap out big time whereas that's the real one's bread and butter- gtr cabs and snare drums.
@@patrickfoster4586 Great idea to try it on a cab. It's basically what they were made for, that and vocals. But there are many much better vocal mics out there where the 57 is still the go to for electric guitar.
Is it possible to connect the coil wires back to the diaphragm somehow if the wires are visible?
Amazing how much quality Shure packs into those things for under $100. It's to their credit that it's often cheaper to replace then repair.
i knew a guy who around 2006 dropped a SM58 and it literally broke in half. he posted photos online and people thought it was fake lol. nobody would believe him that these things could brake
What the white wire down inside there? Is it a ground? Is it attached to something? Thank you
Wondering if you could have used liquid solder on thus repair
I had this Shure Microphone Commando 430
No chance of finding the leads on the broken diaphragm under a microscope and reattaching them? I’ve heard of guys doing similar operations on pickups with broken coils.
That shure was tight :)
Had to lube it.
hey man maybe try putting the metal part in a small bag and drop it inyo a cup of hot water or set the metal part on the radiator to maybe try and expand it a bit if the fit is really tight. good luck anyway
I think it's more likely that someone tried to repair that microphone wire themselves before returning it and they soldered it backwards.
don't know if it's been said yet, there are a couple aftermarket transformers for the sm57. tab funken was making one, but the owner oliver died a couple years ago and i don't know if they're still available. i think one of the lundahl's can fit in that tiny body. but, ripping out the transformer altogether can sometimes be a major improvement for that mic, and it's mostly urban legend that phantom power would damage the mic without the transformer, but there are very few that really could. worth it in my opinion, the stock transformers sound like garbage. it's always the core metalurgy. lundahls are where it's at for new production!
Shure used to replace the guts of a 57/58 for $50.
Hi Brad, been a long time viewer/subscriber though I had to get a new user ID recently.. I thought I’d ask you a question since this is your most recent upload.. I have a 1951 National/Valco amp with the 10” electro magnet speaker marked 550 on the back.. The voice coil started rubbing and I wanted to know if you know of a facility that could either replace just the voice coil, or re-cone the speaker? Any advise would be appreciated. Thanks, Tom
Contact Tom Colvin at Recone.com. Tell him i sent you.
Cartridge for $49 whole mic $70. Shop around.
OEM parts can drive me to search aftermarket real fast if they aren’t reasonably priced.
The real story is when one has an issue...its setup so you are inclined to just cough up for a new one lol.
Maybe people with a hundred bucks to spare would just get another lol…
@@graxjpg thats basically what i meant.Pricing parts from them pretty much makes you want to just spend for a new one instead of buying parts to repair it.
I thought the 57's were quasi undestructable,isn't that their main selling point ?
@@ectoplasma5 everything gets old...
@@gearhead762 Can't argue that i guess.
25:13 yep. thats basically a DMX cable! (for lighting). that's why, even though they both use xlr ends, the dmx is actually different. anyone know why though?
More Vids please Brad. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could the output difference be in the difference of the transformer between the two mics? Maybe the transformer in the old mic is “better” than in a new SM57. I know the difference in tone is the capsule, but maybe the transformer has something to do with output? I’m clueless when it comes to how a mic works. Honestly, the tone of the replacement capsule sounded much better than I thought it would.
Transformers are the same in both. I didn’t change the transformer with the new capsule swap.
That's what sheee said. Lots of those in this video.
Those were some tiny wires! :)
I already bought a fake one without knowing. After a while, I found the sound level to be veeeeery low! Looked online on how to identify fake ones and indeed it was.
i dropped mine and it fell on the diaphram. what can I do?
Possibly a dumb question, but I know nothing of these things, but is it possible to use a thicker, more easily soldered, set of wires to connect the voice coil if you had no replacement Chinese guts to use as you had?
If there had been wire left on the coil on both sides... probably not. The wire has to fit under the edge of the diaphragm, so it needs to be thin wire that's lacquered so it doesn't short out on the magnet body. Not an easy task. The best bet would be to get a new diaphragm with long wire leads so you could adhere it on and run all new wire down to the terminals like they do in the factory and tape them.
I was trying to fix my reverb tank a while back, and im pretty sure one of those tiny wires were broken in it somewhere, couldnt even see where tho, huge pain in the ass ha.
Worth it though if you can save the tank. Invest in a lupe or magnifying glass.
Perhaps no user serviceable parts inside?
We all know its not about Guitar Center saving 5 minutes. The shipping cost to get the cord fixed or replaced is twice as much as the chord is worth. And besides. Pro Line is going to toss it as soon as then get it anyway. Then send a brand new one. Warranty repair technicians are costly too.
They tore down a great live venue in my city. National acts came through, it was part of the House of Blues. I have see acts ranging from Anthrax, Malmsteen, Government Mule... my band even headlined there twice. Tore it down after 25+ years. The concerts that place held was just incredible.
Too bad the replacement parts are so expensive. Shure should make them more practically priced.
Sad.
@@TheGuitologist forgot to mention that venue was really generous with their bookings and community involvement. During the week you could see "high school" battle of the bands, 14-18 year old kids playing, selling tickets to get their friends to see them...they would host great just general weekend bashes, when big acts weren't booked, with a good DJ, and for Halloween costume competitions, Thanksgiving Eve, St. Patrick's Day. You could always see an A-List cover band, on the weekends. Even had small indy shows that showcased local, regional, or nearby talent.
Seeing the pictures you posted in this video really hit home. They literally tore it down, brick by brick, and completely erased it from history. Just like the pictures you showed here. Now the kids, adults, and any aspiring musicians don't have a venue anymore. It's an 8 story apartment building now.
I suppose the voice coil and magnet part of the mic is almost 100% of the technology that makes shure. Makes sense they can't sell it cheap for replacement, you'd just put it in a cheap shell and get significantly cheaper but equal quality stuff. It's unfortunate for trying to be ecological with it.
The tone is not night and day but even on a phone speaker it's clearly distinguishable. Louder but less "character" and doesn't feel as dynamic.
The actual Shure definitely seems a bit fuller
More bottom end. Lacking some sparkle though.
That's the intro to RAMBO!
Use rubbing alcohol as a lubricant for assembling rubber parts. It works like magic & evaporates away. This works for rubber on rubber and other stuff. Basically rubbing alcohol works with anything squishy.
Also, yeah you can totally solder and work with those wires. I've done it plenty of times. Yes with mics, speaker voice coils & guitar pickups. To repair that shure > U either just tack on a new wire or unwrap one wind from the coil. Being able to see is the most important part. Use a Loupe :) ESPECIALLY for removing the enamel. Removing the enamel is the difficult part and being able to see/verify that you have indeed succeeded is the name of the game. Magnification is not an option. yes you can see the enamel being removed with a loupe. Nowadays, having an assortment of magnifying equipment is essential ! jewelers loupes / usb microscopes / etc ...
You'd definitely notice the difference when miking a Marshall cab or snare drums, the 57's bread and butter in pro applications, as the china ones will crap out at high SPL's. That's the difference!
We’ll A/B that at some point.
too bad about the tavern from the pics that place looked pretty hoppin.. they did that to a spot in seattle that was protected by the hysterical society but somehow they got it off of that listing and tore it down, so many good bands played there, Heart of course, all your seattle grunge bands, last band that I know was there was either bad company or quiet riot, forget, cuzin booked the bands I hung out and hobnobbed quite a bit, went on cocaine and heroin runs you name it, picked up vocalists at hotels late to their gig with LA Guns, oops.. Randy Hansen, so many... Jimi's Brother Leon.. my cuz jammed with him all the time, taught him guitar when he could, lined hairon wit em, oh boy..
I wasn't even in the state at the time but everyones pizzed about it, sure wish I was with warning to go salvage all that good wood..
it was engineered as an acoustic amplification dance room, "Parker's Ballroom".. acoustical ceiling so amazing, sound was PHENOMENAL.. pizzed I wasnt around, wanted some that hardwood, all went to the landfill.. sad really its sister ballroom was tore down to the south it sat on the same hiway 99, 30 miles south or so? the one where Hendrix caught his first break by a KJR disk jockey, "the Spanish Castle Ballroom" was a phenomenal venue as well, "Spanish Castle Magic" jimi's first blotter?
PHC tavern reminds me of these two spots in a big way, size, scope, patrons.. sad that we cannot have any sense of history and past remain, restore and preserve.., money is all anyone cares about today and it's sickening, one day we are going to be frowned upon so being so gluttonous and greedy, destroying all the good we did along the way in spite of..
parkers was on the hysterical list..
IF anything they could have had the balls to mcoe everything, the bar, the dance floor, the stage, green rooms all of it.. especially the ceiling, it was a dome acoustical ceiling, either put everything in storage until it can be used accordingly or build something now more suitable.. sad, like the phoenix hill club, just closed the next day gone for good, torn down.. all the memories and good times.. so much good hardwood in that place.. the dance floor was figured hard rock maple, edge up... amazing, the bar? unreal..
Every president since Carter in the 70s have used 57s
Biden needs a mic that will fix his mumbling, incoherent sentences..
Why not try rewinding the voice coil? The wire they use isn't that hard to work with..
hehe. I thought when you did the hand clap you were gonna do a fully assembled shot. hehe. nope. just for sync. hehe.
I'll save the effort and just buy the R57 capsule if mine stop working.
SM57 as a vocal mic? I don't get it. No comparison to a 58. Why do I see the 57 used as a vocal mic?
I Go Places To Sing That's
Why I'm So Good At Fixing All that Stuff.
I Sing Old Vintage Classic Country
Music. Like Buck Owen's Charlie Pride
Don Gibson Ernest Tubb Faron Young
Ect.
Im just glad you are doing something pretending to music it's just my opinion but think the videos none music related should be on you're Channel 2
Dude his channel, he can post whatever he wants on it, music related or not ha
Well yeah I never said he can't it's just my opinion and im sure I'm not alone when I say I started watching because of the amp repair and such
What are they now? $80, $90 bucks? A repair that simple is worth the time and effort, but anything more intense and I would just throw it out and buy a new one. Some things are just not worth the time and effort.
25:09
So you were in possession of a working Sm57 with provenance from a famed venue.
Its foam had inevitably disintegrated.
These capsules are renowned for being difficult to dismantle, but you went for it anyhow, which left you no option other than replace with a Chinese made capsule!!!
All the guessing, presuming, hoping, is fine, it's good entertainment.
But let's get one thing straight, this was an original Sm57 in working order, other than the disintegrating foam that could have been remedied with a blast of compressed air and a new exterior foam shield.
Instead, you destroyed all its originality and placed it with a Chinese capsule.
I hope it is never resold as a original sm57 cos it's worse than a new Chinese sm57.
Yes I am hugging you with one arm and smacking with the other, I don't know what else you could expect.
Keep up the content, I love it. You Rock.
That same blast of compressed air would have destroyed the diaphragm also.
@@TheGuitologist I researched how to remove the capsule and saw so many people unable to reassemble it that I just held mine upside down and shook it over some paper and blew throgh it gently with a camera dust puffer. I did this for a few minutes a day over approx a week, until it stopped dropping bits of disintegrated foam. Then I bought the correct sm57 foam exterior shield from shure for $22. The mic is still all original U.S.A.
Ain't sm57s made in Mexico and not the USA anymore? I'm sure my 57 says made in Mexico and I bought that in 1991....
Do you even guitar, bro?
I've been honing my accordion skills.
@@TheGuitologist Stay free, B. R 👍 🍻 😎
Never toss a Shure mic
Shire will send you a new one for $50 with the return of the old one
Screw it I'll just buy a new one
Nothing Like AMERICAN MADE PRODUCTS !! PERIOD !!
All that time and money and you end up with a Chinese copy. You should have just spent the $90 for a new one
I would never buy a Chinese replacement for a good mic. that's like if your woman leaves you and you go get a stray dog as a replacement.
Trim your nails! GAAAAAAAH!
lol I know, man! That shit is disgusting.